Or, you could give up dairy. I'm reading a book where a woman got curious about people who underwent "spontaneous" cancer remission. Apparently, the majority drastically changed their diet including the elimination of milk products. I hate the thought of giving up cheese tho.
Or, you could give up dairy. I'm reading a book where a woman got curious about people who underwent "spontaneous" cancer remission. Apparently, the majority drastically changed their diet including the elimination of milk products. I hate the thought of giving up cheese tho.
This only applies to pasteurized dairy. Raw dairy provides your gut with essential nutrients that helps in the digestion of other foods and supports your immune system.
This isn’t proven. It’s like the old belief that if you eat a high fat diet, you’ll gain weight. Then keto diets disproved this. I know a lot of raw milk drinkers who are far healthier than most people. Also, blood tests that show very high functioning immune system and no estrogen issues. But to each their own.
I’m sorry, Leonora. I hope you’re licking the cancer. As a raw, grass-fed proponent, you got me to research this. I found this: https://foodforbreastcancer.com/foods/milk
It does include grass-fed milk and mentions various studies (including grass-fed) concluding that high-fat milk likely does, indeed, raise the chances of breast cancer due to the hormone levels. Though one study said it’s inconclusive, questioning the methodologies. I’d have to say that this particular article was only dealing with pasteurized organic GF milk and in the text repeatedly conflated or equivocated the sort of milk they were talking about.
Here’s a paragraph on estrogen:” The Estrogens: An important and often controversial class of steroid sex hormones including estradiol and estrone, usually associated with females, but present, and with important functions in males as well. Aside from their obvious influence on breast and uterine development, the estrogens (which are actually derived from the male sex hormones or 'androgens' testosterone and androstendione) bolster bone maturation, strength and density, regulate formation of sperm cells and play crucial roles in fat (lipid), circulatory, respiratory and nervous system metabolism. The trace amounts present in bovine milk are considered too low to exhibit any physiological activity. Progesterone, also present in raw milk, has an inhibitory effect on the estrogens. Estradiol: 160 pg/ml, Estrone: 34-55 pg/ml”
Note especially the last two sentences.
There may be other factors at play here, and I do not want to diminish your ordeal and courageous battle in any way; But I really want to get at the facts. It might help you as well.
So, question — and please forgive me if you find this intrusive or offensive and do not feel obligated to respond: You said you’d checked all the boxes and I’d like to know what that means. It would help me and others sort this out, as perhaps others can be helped by knowing.
Dick, Thank you, I very much appreciate your researching details and specifics! What you found agrees with what I found, too. When reports state that their findings are "inconclusive," and they make generalized judgement calls that amounts are "considered too low to exhibit any physiological activity," and are inexact re: which kind of milk they are dealing with, then I get spooked. The tumor I had was sensitive to both estrogen and progesterone. Docs said, "No hormones for you!" And of course my own body is still producing some all by itself. So, I'm loath to add even trace amounts. Giving up organic raw cheese was the hardest!
By "checked all the boxes" I was referring to the food choices mentioned in the other's comment - grass pastured beef, etc., - and I would add: "organic every thing else".
Two and one half years have passed since the lumpectomy, and so far so good. I had, and continue to have, great care. My gratitude is boundless.
There is a vast difference between pasture-raised raw dairy and the stuff called milk. Whenever you read articles like this, whether it’s dairy, meat or some vitamin or supplement that the info or study is discrediting, one must ask some questions.
-Is it the FORM of the substance that’s at fault?
-Were there other factors involved — in your example, was there anything else the person changed or, was milk eliminated solely?
-Does the explanation comport with other instances where remission occurred, again using your example, without stopping milk drinking?
We are so abandoned by good medical practice and care and so gaslit that we are on our own — just trying to figure out what to do! We are medical beggars and street waifs picking through so much litter and dumpster-diving to find what might be true and helpful to our needy bodies and souls! We are the homeless escapees from the sane asylums where they put us long ago.
I recommend you find out about raw grass-fed milk & cheese & I think you’ll find that those dairy-pasturing peoples are among the most hale and cancer-free on the planet! (This goes for the medical myths about meat & eggs, too. It’s all about what the animal eats.) It’s a fascinating and encouraging topic!
Or, you could give up dairy. I'm reading a book where a woman got curious about people who underwent "spontaneous" cancer remission. Apparently, the majority drastically changed their diet including the elimination of milk products. I hate the thought of giving up cheese tho.
This only applies to pasteurized dairy. Raw dairy provides your gut with essential nutrients that helps in the digestion of other foods and supports your immune system.
ALL dairy = high in estrogen which feeds estrogen-sensitive cancers.
This isn’t proven. It’s like the old belief that if you eat a high fat diet, you’ll gain weight. Then keto diets disproved this. I know a lot of raw milk drinkers who are far healthier than most people. Also, blood tests that show very high functioning immune system and no estrogen issues. But to each their own.
SA - Not "proven"? LOL - well, it happened to me, even tho my diet checked all the boxes.
I’m sorry, Leonora. I hope you’re licking the cancer. As a raw, grass-fed proponent, you got me to research this. I found this: https://foodforbreastcancer.com/foods/milk
It does include grass-fed milk and mentions various studies (including grass-fed) concluding that high-fat milk likely does, indeed, raise the chances of breast cancer due to the hormone levels. Though one study said it’s inconclusive, questioning the methodologies. I’d have to say that this particular article was only dealing with pasteurized organic GF milk and in the text repeatedly conflated or equivocated the sort of milk they were talking about.
This thoroughly discusses all the hormones in raw GF milk: http://raw-milk-facts.com/hormones.html
Here’s a paragraph on estrogen:” The Estrogens: An important and often controversial class of steroid sex hormones including estradiol and estrone, usually associated with females, but present, and with important functions in males as well. Aside from their obvious influence on breast and uterine development, the estrogens (which are actually derived from the male sex hormones or 'androgens' testosterone and androstendione) bolster bone maturation, strength and density, regulate formation of sperm cells and play crucial roles in fat (lipid), circulatory, respiratory and nervous system metabolism. The trace amounts present in bovine milk are considered too low to exhibit any physiological activity. Progesterone, also present in raw milk, has an inhibitory effect on the estrogens. Estradiol: 160 pg/ml, Estrone: 34-55 pg/ml”
Note especially the last two sentences.
There may be other factors at play here, and I do not want to diminish your ordeal and courageous battle in any way; But I really want to get at the facts. It might help you as well.
So, question — and please forgive me if you find this intrusive or offensive and do not feel obligated to respond: You said you’d checked all the boxes and I’d like to know what that means. It would help me and others sort this out, as perhaps others can be helped by knowing.
Thank you & may God Bless and heal you.
Dick, Thank you, I very much appreciate your researching details and specifics! What you found agrees with what I found, too. When reports state that their findings are "inconclusive," and they make generalized judgement calls that amounts are "considered too low to exhibit any physiological activity," and are inexact re: which kind of milk they are dealing with, then I get spooked. The tumor I had was sensitive to both estrogen and progesterone. Docs said, "No hormones for you!" And of course my own body is still producing some all by itself. So, I'm loath to add even trace amounts. Giving up organic raw cheese was the hardest!
By "checked all the boxes" I was referring to the food choices mentioned in the other's comment - grass pastured beef, etc., - and I would add: "organic every thing else".
Two and one half years have passed since the lumpectomy, and so far so good. I had, and continue to have, great care. My gratitude is boundless.
Leonora—For some reason, I can’t find the reply I wrote. Here’s a repeat, just in case it’s flosting around somewhere in the thread:
Thank you for your kind response & taking the time to write. I get it now.
This is important to know and I’ll be taking note.
Please take care. I’m praying for you this morning. May the God of Heaven and Grace continue to guide and heal you with all Blessings!
I’m sorry it happened to you.
There is a vast difference between pasture-raised raw dairy and the stuff called milk. Whenever you read articles like this, whether it’s dairy, meat or some vitamin or supplement that the info or study is discrediting, one must ask some questions.
-Is it the FORM of the substance that’s at fault?
-Were there other factors involved — in your example, was there anything else the person changed or, was milk eliminated solely?
-Does the explanation comport with other instances where remission occurred, again using your example, without stopping milk drinking?
We are so abandoned by good medical practice and care and so gaslit that we are on our own — just trying to figure out what to do! We are medical beggars and street waifs picking through so much litter and dumpster-diving to find what might be true and helpful to our needy bodies and souls! We are the homeless escapees from the sane asylums where they put us long ago.
I recommend you find out about raw grass-fed milk & cheese & I think you’ll find that those dairy-pasturing peoples are among the most hale and cancer-free on the planet! (This goes for the medical myths about meat & eggs, too. It’s all about what the animal eats.) It’s a fascinating and encouraging topic!