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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Trump and Putin are enemies, not friends.

Trump destroyed Putin’s personal army in Syria during the battle of kasham. Even then the US army had numerous flare ups and tensions with the Russians including fist fights which sent the Russians to the hospital. Americans study martial arts, Russians study propaganda

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David A's avatar

I never asserted they were friends. However they are both patriotic to their respective nations.

I also think they both speak rationally. Putin tried for years to gain Russia respect within European nations, even proposing joining NATO. Trump is very very good and creative at finding workable solutions, solutions that benefit each nation. ( That is how he got Mexico on board, and numerous other examples)

Very clearly the globalist had to keep Trump and Putin from any real communication or deal making. Their mutual rational nationalism was and is a grave threat to their global government plans.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Putin isn’t patriotic at all.

He’s an oligarch who styles himself a tsar.

Why would a patriot sacrifice 60k men and trillions of dollars for a fools’ errand to seize territory and annex it for no reason?

He’d be more focused on making his own country better (like trump did) instead of dragging everyone down

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David A's avatar

It is best to judge by results. Depending on whom you ask, William the Conqueror was a bloody villain, or a bloody hero in a violent time.

In 20 years, under Putin, Soviet income increased 800 percent per capita. The federal debt went to a budget surplus. They became a powerful net exporter of energy. The freedom to worship was restored. Putin is, beyond doubt, very popular in Russia, and for a reason. He has often disparaged the former Soviet Union, and regularly spoke with pride of Russia.

He may be a bloody dictator, or a bloody hero. To many Russian citizens he is a bloody hero, who restored a rule of law to a collapsed former super power, that was broke, and filled with oligarchs, very very corrupt and brutal ones, all vying for power in the vacuum of the former Soviet Union. I do not know the detailed history of those that disappeared by Putin. ( It is not particularly cogent to current events, and would take hours of reading from various perspectives.)

Nevertheless, it is important to understand the Russian perspective. It is important to understand the history of the Ukraine, the centuries of Russian history there, the decades of NATO expansion, the undeniably large populations in Ukraine that voted 80 percent or higher for a Russian friendly President in 2014, the abuse of those Russian speaking folk in the Ukraine, the outlawing of even speaking Russian, and the evidence that 10,000 to 14,000 were brutally murdered by a Ukrainian regime that was installed partially through US CIA action.

It is also well and proper to understand the history of European invasion of Russia, not that many decades ago, and the millions of lives lost. In that window one can see great concern with Ukraine threatening to join NATO and put nukes on their border. Nobody can effectively broker peace with a person or nation they do not understand.

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David Cashion's avatar

They are both popular Nationalist.

Exactly what the Globalist hate

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Putin isn’t.

He’s an oligarch and a tyrant.

You gotten the Putin Sputnik shot yet?

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