Alabama bans cutting; unmasking planes didn’t cause havoc; CDC investigating 70% of all cruise ships; experts stupidly bring back polio epidemics; 99% of covid deaths in Canada are jabbed; lots more.
“Vaccine-Derived Polio Is On The Rise. A New Vaccine Aims To Stop The Spread.”
Wow. They don’t usually encapsulate their Problem-Reaction-Solution formula in a single headline like that!
For an intriguing counter-narrative regarding the causes of polio during the previous epidemics, I highly recommend Forrest Maready’s fascinating “The Moth in the Iron Lung,” which should be paired with the required “Dissolving Illusions.”
Also, Catherine Diodati`s Ìmmunization: History, Ethics, Law and Health` is an amazing book if you are identifying as a Canadian, bipedal mammal with a large brain.
The oral polio vax was the ORIGINAL one, developed first and used in the US. It actually did give some people including children polio and there were deaths from it.
It undermined public trust until the injection version was developed
They also found that even the injectable version had side effects in certain groups like older men and the recommendations were narrowed to exclude certain people.
The public health vax community has a long history of these types of problems, where something was rolled out and found to have some serious adverse unforseen problems. BUt the differece is that back until like 1980 -1990 the public health community seemed to be much more circumspect , conservative, respectful, conservative of the people and worked much harder to communicate and earn trust.
1824: Metal workers had suffered for centuries from a paralysis similar to polio caused by the lead and arsenic in the metals they were working with. English scientist John Cooke observed: 'The fumes from these metals, or the receptance of them in solution into the stomach, often causes paralysis.'
1890: Lead arsenate pesticide started to be sprayed in the US up to 12 times every summer to kill codling moth on apple crops.
1892: Polio outbreaks began to occur in Vermont, an apple growing region. In his report the Government Inspector Dr. Charles Caverly noted that parents reported that some children fell ill after eating fruit. He stated that 'infantile paralysis usually occurred in families with more than one child, and as no efforts were made at isolation it was very certain it was non-contagious' (with only one child in the family having been struck).
1907: Calcium arsenate comes into use primarily on cotton crops.
1908: In a Massachusetts town with three cotton mills and apple orchards, 69 children suddenly fell ill with infantile paralysis.
1909: The UK bans apple imports from the States because of heavy lead arsenate residues.
1921: Franklin D. Roosevelt develops polio after swimming in Bay of Fundy, New Brunswick. Toxicity of water may have been due to pollution run-off.
1943: DDT is introduced, a neurotoxic pesticide. Over the next several years it comes into widespread use in American households. For example, wall paper impregnated with DDT was placed in children's bedrooms.
1943: A polio epidemic in the UK town of Broadstairs, Kent is linked to a local dairy where cows were washed down with DDT.
1944: Albert Sabin reports that a major cause of sickness and death of American troops based in the Philippines was poliomyelitis. US military camps there were sprayed daily with DDT to kill mosquitoes. Neighbouring Philippine settlements were not affected.
1944: NIH reports that DDT damages the same anterior horn cells that are damaged in infantile paralysis.
1946: Gebhaedt shows polio seasonality correlates with fruit harvest.
1949: Endocrinologist Dr Morton Biskind, a practitioner and medical researcher, found that DDT causes 'lesions in the spinal cord similar to human polio.'
1950: US Public Health Industrial Hygiene Medical Director, J.G. Townsend, notes the similarity between parathion poisoning and polio and believes that some polio might be caused by eating fruits or vegetables with parathion residues.
1951: Dr. Biskind treats his polio patients as poisoning victims, removing toxins from food and environment, especially DDT contaminated milk and butter. Dr. Biskind writes: 'Although young animals are more susceptible to the effects of DDT than adults, so far as the available literature is concerned, it does not appear that the effects of such concentrations on infants and children have even been considered.'
1949-1951: Other doctors report they are having success treating polio with anti toxins used to treat poisoning, dimercaprol and ascorbic acid. Example: Dr. F. R. Klenner reported: 'In the poliomyelitis epidemic in North Carolina in 1948 60 cases of this disease came under our care... The treatment was massive doses of vitamin C every two to four hours. Children up to four years received vitamin C injection intramuscularly... All patients were clinically well after 72 hours.'
1950: Dr. Biskind presents evidence to the US Congress that pesticides were the major cause of polio epidemics. He is joined by Dr. Ralph Scobey who reported he found clear evidence of poisoning when analyzing chemical traces in the blood of polio victims.
Comment: This was a no no. The viral causation theory was not something to be questioned. The careers of prominent virologists and health authorities were threatened. Biskind and Scobey's ideas were subjected to ridicule.
1953: Clothes are moth-proofed by washing them in EQ-53, a formula containing DDT.
1953: Dr. Biskind writes: 'It was known by 1945 that DDT was stored in the body fat of mammals and appears in their milk... yet far from admitting a causal relationship between DDT and polio that is so obvious, which in any other field of biology would be instantly accepted, virtually the entire apparatus of communication, lay and scientific alike, has been devoted to denying, concealing, suppressing, distorting and attempts to convert into its opposite this overwhelming evidence. Libel, slander, and economic boycott have not been overlooked in this campaign.'
1954: Legislation recognizing the dangers of persistent pesticides is enacted, and a phase out of DDT in the US accelerates along with a shift of sales of DDT to third world countries.
(Note that DDT is phased out at the same time as widespread polio vaccinations begin. Saying that, polio cases sky rocket only in communities that accept the polio vaccine, as the polio vaccine is laced with heavy metals and other toxins, so the paralysis narrative starts all over again. As the polio vaccines cause huge spikes in polio, the misinformed public demand more polio vaccine and the cycle spirals skyward exponentially)
1956: the American Medical Association mandated that all licensed medical doctors could no longer classify polio as polio. All polio diagnosis would be rejected in favor of Guillian-Barre Syndrome, AFP (acute flaccid paralysis), Bell's Palsy, Cerebral Palsy, ALS, (Lou-Gehrig's Disease), MS, MD etc etc. This sleight of hand was fabricated with the sole intent of giving the public the impression that the polio vaccine was successful at decreasing polio or eradicating polio. The public bought this hook, line and sinker and to this very day, many pro vaccine arguments are ignited by the manufactured lie regarding the polio vaccine eradicating polio.
1962: Rachel Carson's Silent Spring is published.
1968: DDT registration cancelled for the US.
2008: Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP) is still a raging in many parts of the world where pesticide use is high, and DDT is still used. AFP. MS, MD, Bell's Palsy, cerebral palsy, ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease), Guillian-Barre are all catch basket diagnosis, all similar in symptoms, tied to heavy metal poisoning and high toxic load.
2008: WHO states on its website: 'There is no cure for polio. Its effects are irreversible.'
Conclusion: Modern belief that polio is caused by a virus is an ongoing tragedy for the children of the world. Public funds are wasted on useless and dangerous vaccines when the children could be treated with antitoxins. A call into failing vaccine mythology is warranted, as is a complete investigation of the real agenda being executed against humanity involving science, chemicals, vaccines, the medical field in general, and the government.
this was something i found in 2008, i had it bookmarked but had a feeling even back then it might vanish and it did, also i dont have that computer to even look up to see if its memory holed anywhere. i suspect the book mentioned in the comments above mine by Margaret Anne Alice might cover a lot of it
I never understood the allure of cruising. We did go to Alaska, no better way to see glacier bay, the whales and the beautiful coastal cities. You pay an arm and a leg for the cruise, then once you are on board, every 5 minutes they are looking for a way to get you to part with your $. Take a photo - buy this! On board merch sales, just add to your ship tab. Soda, cocktails, coffee drinks, Just add to your tab. Excursions, extra. We have friends and family who loved cruises, were trying to talk us into going with them. We talked about it, but then covid, Meh, pass. Don't think I will ever cruise again. Would rather support businesses who gave the middle finger to the jab pushers.
Found my spirit animal in Donna. I’d rather be beaten than to go on a floating brig.
That goes double for Disney World, triple for watching pro basketball.
(Another lawyer once invited me to attend a Thunder game at his luxury skybox. I told him “OK but it’ll cost you $300 per hour plus expenses. $600 if you expect me to watch the stupid game.”)
Yes, it seems to be one of those love/hate things. I have friends who used to go every year before covid. When we went, we had teenagers. The day before you leave and you go to settle up your bill...it's like holy crap, we spent how much!!? I'm a budget person, I like to look for deals, there are none on cruises.
You are very wrong about that. I think the "settle-up" on my last cruise was $25.00. Sometimes it's $0.00 - not unusual for me. We are not big spenders. But if you don't like it, you simply don't like it. There's nothing wrong with that!
Yeah, all my drinks are free. I get first-boarding and first-off privileges, and discounts. But, we didn't at the beginning. We "rose" through the ranks.
We've had a good time on cruises, although I agree with you - my husband loves it, so I am happy when I can get him off the ranch! That said, I overheard a couple of friends talking about a recent cruise one of them and her husband were on.
"What did you do?" Oh, snorkeling and swimming with sharks. Mostly we just drank. "What did you drink?" We like wine, but we had a lot of mixed drinks, too.
Sounds like fun to me! I think they'll be checking into one of those treatment centers soon. Maybe meet each cruise with alcohol, "Do you have a problem?" literature as they dock?
For some the appeal seems to be the chance to unplug from their jobs completely. They usually have the type of bosses who expect employees to answer the phone even on vacation which is much harder to do on a cruise. I have a couple of friends like that. Personally, I love the open ocean but would rather sail with a small handful of friends.
Not cruise people here - we considered it for an anniversary a few years ago but opted for a new hot tub instead! I don't regret it at all. The main thing everyone raves about after a cruise is how great the food is...hmmm.
Sounds fine to me. You don't seem like the kind of "cruiser" that has a good time on a cruise; probably because you don't really understand the concept, and that's OK. (Yes we long-time , established cruisers can be very uppity at times). My first cruise was in 1962, so I do have some background. :-)
Totally agree with Donna. Rather than saying her lack of enjoyment is due to ignorance ("don't understand the concept") perhaps people just have different tastes?
Yes, apologies to Donna - that was unnecessarily rude - but her description of a cruise is something I would NEVER recognize. Since she's only been on one, I believe, my real point was that perhaps there is a LOT more to discover that she just didn't "get" the first time. However, if she doesn't want to, there's no real reason to try. There are things I have tried only once and would never do again that perhaps Donna does all the time and enjoys.
No biggie, I was not offended. Everyone's idea of an 'ideal vacation' is different. Hubby and I go to an annual (except in 2020) 3 day rock festival - a lot of our friends think we are nuts but we love it.
Oh we had a great time in Alaska, but traveling with my spouse and 2 teenagers where you just put everything on a tab and settle up at the end...serious sticker shock. All that little stuff adds up. I am a planner and inveterate bargain hunter, we are usually on a budget. One time, it was fine, big extended family cruise, chalked it up to 'oh well it was worth it as we all had a great time'. But not something we would normally do. But I get it, different strokes...
I knew about the extra costs, but loved Alaska so much. Didn't do many excursions, but loved watching the water, mountains, and critters from our balcony. Also, enjoyed just walking around the ship and seeing everything. One excursion that was well worth the money for me, because I got to hold 3 week old dog sled puppies. Puppies on vacation! What a treat! (My dogs are my life.) 😊🤗
Well we 'knew' about them, but did not do a very good job of tracking, and it was the last trip with our kids before they flew the nest and before my father in law's health started failing, so we kind of threw caution to the wind. But yes we got to hold the puppies too, took the train into Yukon. That stuff was totally worth it. So beautiful there. The foo foo coffee drinks and sodas the kids guzzled and the beers, and premium dinners, not so much.
I'm not that much into food and drink. My co-workers kept teasing me about how much weight I would gain on the trip. They were disappointed that I lost 5 lbs and couldn't understand how I did it. Honestly, I didn't think the food was all that. --- I'm glad you got to hold puppies also. Puppies are the bomb!
They're going to keep throwing things to see what will stick so they can try and make everybody get a job of some kind of poison. I remember when the shots first came out the good doctor's were saying watch in about nine months you'll start seeing a lot of sick children now look at the liver issues with hepatitis now they're trying to push polio it's never ending. We have to keep up the good fight against this evil
Does anyone else remember when India had a drastic increase in polio cases after the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation donated enough polio vaccine to vaccinate all the children who had never had it?
Jeff, have you seen 2000mules? Is it enough evidence to arrest people, can this evidence be used in a court of law?
I watched it Saturday evening. There is plenty of evidence to start arresting the mules and the NGO personnel who paid them to break the law. We the people must demand it , or of course it will be proverbially swept under the rug . EVERYONE needs to watch this documentary video and share share share!
A friend of mine dropped her brother off at the airport Saturday afternoon. She said it was so crowded at the airport there was only one lane of traffic getting by. The rest were jammed with other people dropping off travelers. Other acquaintances that have travelled in the past couple of weeks are saying planes are full. It seems a lot of people are happy to get back to some sense of normalcy. ...or sanity.
A Voice for Choice Advocacy looks like a good organization. Another group, PERK, is incredibly well organized, are great communicators, and are very active:
"Those who’ve been immunized with live virus can shed it in their stool… If it mutates and regains virulence, someone who isn’t vaccinated can become sick with vaccine-derived polio after contact with the contaminated wastewater.” Wait, I thought shedding was tin-foil hat conspiracy misinformation that got you cancelled?! So hard to keep up these days.....
RE: Cruise Ships. We loved RCCL prepandemic. Loved going to different ports, being on the ocean, sipping drinks, hitting the casino and decent’ish dinners.
I’m to the point right now that I won’t go back on a cruise unless it’s a fully UNVAXXED cruise. I don’t want to be on a ship with spike factories.
Not as interesting as a FB suspension, but I recently had an Amazon review denied for "misinformation." It was a review on a room fan. I was listing problems with the remote control, the fan's noise, etc., then said perhaps some of the 5-star reviews came from bots. I'm sure it's that last comment that got my review barred. But, come on, does every woke corporation think they are arbiters of "misinformation"? Jeez. It's the last time I'll ever write an Amazon review.
It was hard after being a Prime Member since it’s beginning, but I did it I actually deleted my Amazon membership ordering directly from the dealer instead. I avoid “knock offs “ and often times get free shipping as well.
We get ours free through my wife's work, so I doubt we'll cancel it, just try not to use it when possible. Prime Video occasionally has some good stuff on it, but we're watching it less and less as it becomes more woke.
I haven’t been brave enough yet to cancel my prime membership, but I do a lot of ordering directly from other sellers. And I usually don’t have any trouble adding up to a $50 purchase to get free shipping. Where Amazon has me hooked is with my Kindle. I read a lot and the digital format is so much easier on my eyes.
Have not ordered from Amazon since first time in 2012. Triggered email spam of all types and attempts to out charges on my credit card. I figured a company that big should have been more secure.
Just an fyi, Gates Foundation is the culprit brought us the oral vax that brought polio back to paralyze & kill again. And then tried to blame the unvaxxed for its re-remergence.
I wonder if he'll treat us to an mRNA vax for polio too?
I suppose it's too much to expect from sheep who would actually spend money to travel on a compliantly vaxxed cruise ship, but I say it's time for a little Mutiny On The Bounty action. Come on, cruisers; grow a pair!
Actually, they CAN and they WILL put you off the ship. (They also have a brig!) I am not big on being a follower but let's be clear: on the ship, the captain decides everything. Including whether you get to stay on. NEVER touch another passenger in anger, and NEVER deliberately ignore an officer's instructions. Just don't go there.
Jeff, please let Senator Ron Johnson’s office know there’s some mailed donations coming too! Mine goes out today. Can those be counted in the tally? Mine has an ender of $2 involved in it, not cents though.
How do we spread the word about your Facebook jail? I don’t understand what to do?
With a PCR test of 3% accuracy (a known 97% false positive) for a virus that has never been isolated- can somebody please explain why we continue to give validity to this diabolical plan by calling it “COVID-19”? And, how is it possible to have a variant from a “virus” that has never been identified? Seems like those of us prudent enough to sort the truth from the lies would not submit to the language of the deception. Hmmm...
Gotta remember the ones who are all boosted up and vacationing on an injected persons only cruise get excited at the thought of testing themselves everyday just to make sure they don’t get the cooties. You know, out of care and concern for everyone else 🙄. So, I’m guessing they handed out 5 tests to each person that boarded along with their welcome aboard masked and gloved handshake. 😂
After reading the horror stories of some of the cruise ships, I pretty much decided that's not the type of vacation I really wanted - even before 2020. The idea that something could go horribly wrong on-board and you're just stuck there until you get to a port or get the right help is more than I really want to deal with. At least w/ a plane, you've got a couple of hours or an emergency landing. And other vehicles can have their issues as well, but often with some sort of alternative.
That said - the activities/destinations for the cruises do sound interesting and I get why some people really like them. I just don't like the idea of being stuck like that for days with little recourse.
Stories like the one here - outbreaks amongst the lines with fully injected people - and then all of those people confined to cabins until they're done make me want to postpone even more. Hopefully this can be the starting point for them to wake up and say "we're done".
“Vaccine-Derived Polio Is On The Rise. A New Vaccine Aims To Stop The Spread.”
Wow. They don’t usually encapsulate their Problem-Reaction-Solution formula in a single headline like that!
For an intriguing counter-narrative regarding the causes of polio during the previous epidemics, I highly recommend Forrest Maready’s fascinating “The Moth in the Iron Lung,” which should be paired with the required “Dissolving Illusions.”
Also, Catherine Diodati`s Ìmmunization: History, Ethics, Law and Health` is an amazing book if you are identifying as a Canadian, bipedal mammal with a large brain.
this book has an incredible discussion of the swine flu fiasco in the 1970s
https://www.amazon.com/Scientific-Public-Policy-Studies-Philosophy/dp/0887388523
and this book reviews the history of vaxes in the world from the beginning and the conflict between private autonomy and public health
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0520247493/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The oral polio vax was the ORIGINAL one, developed first and used in the US. It actually did give some people including children polio and there were deaths from it.
It undermined public trust until the injection version was developed
They also found that even the injectable version had side effects in certain groups like older men and the recommendations were narrowed to exclude certain people.
The public health vax community has a long history of these types of problems, where something was rolled out and found to have some serious adverse unforseen problems. BUt the differece is that back until like 1980 -1990 the public health community seemed to be much more circumspect , conservative, respectful, conservative of the people and worked much harder to communicate and earn trust.
Sounds fascinating, MiFly, and thanks for the recs!
the history of polio:
1824: Metal workers had suffered for centuries from a paralysis similar to polio caused by the lead and arsenic in the metals they were working with. English scientist John Cooke observed: 'The fumes from these metals, or the receptance of them in solution into the stomach, often causes paralysis.'
1890: Lead arsenate pesticide started to be sprayed in the US up to 12 times every summer to kill codling moth on apple crops.
1892: Polio outbreaks began to occur in Vermont, an apple growing region. In his report the Government Inspector Dr. Charles Caverly noted that parents reported that some children fell ill after eating fruit. He stated that 'infantile paralysis usually occurred in families with more than one child, and as no efforts were made at isolation it was very certain it was non-contagious' (with only one child in the family having been struck).
1907: Calcium arsenate comes into use primarily on cotton crops.
1908: In a Massachusetts town with three cotton mills and apple orchards, 69 children suddenly fell ill with infantile paralysis.
1909: The UK bans apple imports from the States because of heavy lead arsenate residues.
1921: Franklin D. Roosevelt develops polio after swimming in Bay of Fundy, New Brunswick. Toxicity of water may have been due to pollution run-off.
1943: DDT is introduced, a neurotoxic pesticide. Over the next several years it comes into widespread use in American households. For example, wall paper impregnated with DDT was placed in children's bedrooms.
1943: A polio epidemic in the UK town of Broadstairs, Kent is linked to a local dairy where cows were washed down with DDT.
1944: Albert Sabin reports that a major cause of sickness and death of American troops based in the Philippines was poliomyelitis. US military camps there were sprayed daily with DDT to kill mosquitoes. Neighbouring Philippine settlements were not affected.
1944: NIH reports that DDT damages the same anterior horn cells that are damaged in infantile paralysis.
1946: Gebhaedt shows polio seasonality correlates with fruit harvest.
1949: Endocrinologist Dr Morton Biskind, a practitioner and medical researcher, found that DDT causes 'lesions in the spinal cord similar to human polio.'
1950: US Public Health Industrial Hygiene Medical Director, J.G. Townsend, notes the similarity between parathion poisoning and polio and believes that some polio might be caused by eating fruits or vegetables with parathion residues.
1951: Dr. Biskind treats his polio patients as poisoning victims, removing toxins from food and environment, especially DDT contaminated milk and butter. Dr. Biskind writes: 'Although young animals are more susceptible to the effects of DDT than adults, so far as the available literature is concerned, it does not appear that the effects of such concentrations on infants and children have even been considered.'
1949-1951: Other doctors report they are having success treating polio with anti toxins used to treat poisoning, dimercaprol and ascorbic acid. Example: Dr. F. R. Klenner reported: 'In the poliomyelitis epidemic in North Carolina in 1948 60 cases of this disease came under our care... The treatment was massive doses of vitamin C every two to four hours. Children up to four years received vitamin C injection intramuscularly... All patients were clinically well after 72 hours.'
1950: Dr. Biskind presents evidence to the US Congress that pesticides were the major cause of polio epidemics. He is joined by Dr. Ralph Scobey who reported he found clear evidence of poisoning when analyzing chemical traces in the blood of polio victims.
Comment: This was a no no. The viral causation theory was not something to be questioned. The careers of prominent virologists and health authorities were threatened. Biskind and Scobey's ideas were subjected to ridicule.
1953: Clothes are moth-proofed by washing them in EQ-53, a formula containing DDT.
1953: Dr. Biskind writes: 'It was known by 1945 that DDT was stored in the body fat of mammals and appears in their milk... yet far from admitting a causal relationship between DDT and polio that is so obvious, which in any other field of biology would be instantly accepted, virtually the entire apparatus of communication, lay and scientific alike, has been devoted to denying, concealing, suppressing, distorting and attempts to convert into its opposite this overwhelming evidence. Libel, slander, and economic boycott have not been overlooked in this campaign.'
1954: Legislation recognizing the dangers of persistent pesticides is enacted, and a phase out of DDT in the US accelerates along with a shift of sales of DDT to third world countries.
(Note that DDT is phased out at the same time as widespread polio vaccinations begin. Saying that, polio cases sky rocket only in communities that accept the polio vaccine, as the polio vaccine is laced with heavy metals and other toxins, so the paralysis narrative starts all over again. As the polio vaccines cause huge spikes in polio, the misinformed public demand more polio vaccine and the cycle spirals skyward exponentially)
1956: the American Medical Association mandated that all licensed medical doctors could no longer classify polio as polio. All polio diagnosis would be rejected in favor of Guillian-Barre Syndrome, AFP (acute flaccid paralysis), Bell's Palsy, Cerebral Palsy, ALS, (Lou-Gehrig's Disease), MS, MD etc etc. This sleight of hand was fabricated with the sole intent of giving the public the impression that the polio vaccine was successful at decreasing polio or eradicating polio. The public bought this hook, line and sinker and to this very day, many pro vaccine arguments are ignited by the manufactured lie regarding the polio vaccine eradicating polio.
1962: Rachel Carson's Silent Spring is published.
1968: DDT registration cancelled for the US.
2008: Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP) is still a raging in many parts of the world where pesticide use is high, and DDT is still used. AFP. MS, MD, Bell's Palsy, cerebral palsy, ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease), Guillian-Barre are all catch basket diagnosis, all similar in symptoms, tied to heavy metal poisoning and high toxic load.
2008: WHO states on its website: 'There is no cure for polio. Its effects are irreversible.'
Conclusion: Modern belief that polio is caused by a virus is an ongoing tragedy for the children of the world. Public funds are wasted on useless and dangerous vaccines when the children could be treated with antitoxins. A call into failing vaccine mythology is warranted, as is a complete investigation of the real agenda being executed against humanity involving science, chemicals, vaccines, the medical field in general, and the government.
Thanks for laying this all out. History sure does rhyme.
History repeats itself over & over and the main motivation is not health , but the love of money .
Had no idea. Thank you for sharing this valuable information.
Thank you for sharing. I'd heard information before similar to this, but it was good to be reminded and some of this was new to me. Mind blowing!
Trust the Experts! $cience!
Whoa. That's a testimony. :(
This is very interesting do you have source that could be quoted?
this was something i found in 2008, i had it bookmarked but had a feeling even back then it might vanish and it did, also i dont have that computer to even look up to see if its memory holed anywhere. i suspect the book mentioned in the comments above mine by Margaret Anne Alice might cover a lot of it
I never understood the allure of cruising. We did go to Alaska, no better way to see glacier bay, the whales and the beautiful coastal cities. You pay an arm and a leg for the cruise, then once you are on board, every 5 minutes they are looking for a way to get you to part with your $. Take a photo - buy this! On board merch sales, just add to your ship tab. Soda, cocktails, coffee drinks, Just add to your tab. Excursions, extra. We have friends and family who loved cruises, were trying to talk us into going with them. We talked about it, but then covid, Meh, pass. Don't think I will ever cruise again. Would rather support businesses who gave the middle finger to the jab pushers.
Found my spirit animal in Donna. I’d rather be beaten than to go on a floating brig.
That goes double for Disney World, triple for watching pro basketball.
(Another lawyer once invited me to attend a Thunder game at his luxury skybox. I told him “OK but it’ll cost you $300 per hour plus expenses. $600 if you expect me to watch the stupid game.”)
Give me wilderness hiking, or lying on a beach in Thailand - HELL, mowing my lawn - over cruising.
Our last Alaska cruise was a 7-day canoe trip down the Yukon River. Recommended.
Now THERE is a cruise I’d be interested in.
https://arcticwild.com/
Disagree! Loved, LOVED cruising! Just say “no thx!”
Yes, it seems to be one of those love/hate things. I have friends who used to go every year before covid. When we went, we had teenagers. The day before you leave and you go to settle up your bill...it's like holy crap, we spent how much!!? I'm a budget person, I like to look for deals, there are none on cruises.
My husband was in the Navy. He said THAT cruise was enough, thank you. 😂😂
Hahahah! Mine was too, but he loves the cruising. Or he loves making me happy. One or the other :-)
If he's making you happy, he's a good man. 😉
Actually, I hear happiness is an inside job.
like Socrates: "Ì drank what????"
You are very wrong about that. I think the "settle-up" on my last cruise was $25.00. Sometimes it's $0.00 - not unusual for me. We are not big spenders. But if you don't like it, you simply don't like it. There's nothing wrong with that!
I know frequent cruisers often get perks and onboard credits too. I have friends who get a bunch of freebies for being regulars, so sure it varies.
Yeah, all my drinks are free. I get first-boarding and first-off privileges, and discounts. But, we didn't at the beginning. We "rose" through the ranks.
We've had a good time on cruises, although I agree with you - my husband loves it, so I am happy when I can get him off the ranch! That said, I overheard a couple of friends talking about a recent cruise one of them and her husband were on.
"What did you do?" Oh, snorkeling and swimming with sharks. Mostly we just drank. "What did you drink?" We like wine, but we had a lot of mixed drinks, too.
Sounds like fun to me! I think they'll be checking into one of those treatment centers soon. Maybe meet each cruise with alcohol, "Do you have a problem?" literature as they dock?
😳
For some the appeal seems to be the chance to unplug from their jobs completely. They usually have the type of bosses who expect employees to answer the phone even on vacation which is much harder to do on a cruise. I have a couple of friends like that. Personally, I love the open ocean but would rather sail with a small handful of friends.
Not cruise people here - we considered it for an anniversary a few years ago but opted for a new hot tub instead! I don't regret it at all. The main thing everyone raves about after a cruise is how great the food is...hmmm.
Sounds fine to me. You don't seem like the kind of "cruiser" that has a good time on a cruise; probably because you don't really understand the concept, and that's OK. (Yes we long-time , established cruisers can be very uppity at times). My first cruise was in 1962, so I do have some background. :-)
Totally agree with Donna. Rather than saying her lack of enjoyment is due to ignorance ("don't understand the concept") perhaps people just have different tastes?
Yes, apologies to Donna - that was unnecessarily rude - but her description of a cruise is something I would NEVER recognize. Since she's only been on one, I believe, my real point was that perhaps there is a LOT more to discover that she just didn't "get" the first time. However, if she doesn't want to, there's no real reason to try. There are things I have tried only once and would never do again that perhaps Donna does all the time and enjoys.
So, Donna, I apologize to you for that.
No biggie, I was not offended. Everyone's idea of an 'ideal vacation' is different. Hubby and I go to an annual (except in 2020) 3 day rock festival - a lot of our friends think we are nuts but we love it.
Well, I'm 72 and I went to my first rock concert EVER in October of last year! (Thanks for being nice about my comment).
Oh we had a great time in Alaska, but traveling with my spouse and 2 teenagers where you just put everything on a tab and settle up at the end...serious sticker shock. All that little stuff adds up. I am a planner and inveterate bargain hunter, we are usually on a budget. One time, it was fine, big extended family cruise, chalked it up to 'oh well it was worth it as we all had a great time'. But not something we would normally do. But I get it, different strokes...
I knew about the extra costs, but loved Alaska so much. Didn't do many excursions, but loved watching the water, mountains, and critters from our balcony. Also, enjoyed just walking around the ship and seeing everything. One excursion that was well worth the money for me, because I got to hold 3 week old dog sled puppies. Puppies on vacation! What a treat! (My dogs are my life.) 😊🤗
Well we 'knew' about them, but did not do a very good job of tracking, and it was the last trip with our kids before they flew the nest and before my father in law's health started failing, so we kind of threw caution to the wind. But yes we got to hold the puppies too, took the train into Yukon. That stuff was totally worth it. So beautiful there. The foo foo coffee drinks and sodas the kids guzzled and the beers, and premium dinners, not so much.
I'm not that much into food and drink. My co-workers kept teasing me about how much weight I would gain on the trip. They were disappointed that I lost 5 lbs and couldn't understand how I did it. Honestly, I didn't think the food was all that. --- I'm glad you got to hold puppies also. Puppies are the bomb!
They're going to keep throwing things to see what will stick so they can try and make everybody get a job of some kind of poison. I remember when the shots first came out the good doctor's were saying watch in about nine months you'll start seeing a lot of sick children now look at the liver issues with hepatitis now they're trying to push polio it's never ending. We have to keep up the good fight against this evil
Amen, Barbara!
And those who weren't seeking it (in fact, desperately trying to stay alive!) have ended up dead from various ailments. Horrid. 😠
Does anyone else remember when India had a drastic increase in polio cases after the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation donated enough polio vaccine to vaccinate all the children who had never had it?
Jeff, have you seen 2000mules? Is it enough evidence to arrest people, can this evidence be used in a court of law?
I watched it Saturday evening. There is plenty of evidence to start arresting the mules and the NGO personnel who paid them to break the law. We the people must demand it , or of course it will be proverbially swept under the rug . EVERYONE needs to watch this documentary video and share share share!
Go to 2000mules.com to purchase video or stream.
A friend of mine dropped her brother off at the airport Saturday afternoon. She said it was so crowded at the airport there was only one lane of traffic getting by. The rest were jammed with other people dropping off travelers. Other acquaintances that have travelled in the past couple of weeks are saying planes are full. It seems a lot of people are happy to get back to some sense of normalcy. ...or sanity.
Traveled a week ago and it was awesome. Crowded airports, only about 10% masked and friendly airline workers. Felt so wonderful!
Thank you for your updates.
I thought the Defeat the Mandates protest would have surely stopped all the proposed CA bills, but that is not the case. Please help California by forwarding to all those that live there: https://leemuller.substack.com/p/please-forward-to-all-californians
We are the UNITED States of America, not the Divided States of America!
A Voice for Choice Advocacy looks like a good organization. Another group, PERK, is incredibly well organized, are great communicators, and are very active:
https://www.perk-group.com/
"Those who’ve been immunized with live virus can shed it in their stool… If it mutates and regains virulence, someone who isn’t vaccinated can become sick with vaccine-derived polio after contact with the contaminated wastewater.” Wait, I thought shedding was tin-foil hat conspiracy misinformation that got you cancelled?! So hard to keep up these days.....
Toxic polio poop. Wow.
RE: Cruise Ships. We loved RCCL prepandemic. Loved going to different ports, being on the ocean, sipping drinks, hitting the casino and decent’ish dinners.
I’m to the point right now that I won’t go back on a cruise unless it’s a fully UNVAXXED cruise. I don’t want to be on a ship with spike factories.
Not as interesting as a FB suspension, but I recently had an Amazon review denied for "misinformation." It was a review on a room fan. I was listing problems with the remote control, the fan's noise, etc., then said perhaps some of the 5-star reviews came from bots. I'm sure it's that last comment that got my review barred. But, come on, does every woke corporation think they are arbiters of "misinformation"? Jeez. It's the last time I'll ever write an Amazon review.
I’m doing my best now to avoid buying from Amazon. I’m amazed at how difficult that can be at times. Many companies only sell on Amazon.
It was hard after being a Prime Member since it’s beginning, but I did it I actually deleted my Amazon membership ordering directly from the dealer instead. I avoid “knock offs “ and often times get free shipping as well.
We get ours free through my wife's work, so I doubt we'll cancel it, just try not to use it when possible. Prime Video occasionally has some good stuff on it, but we're watching it less and less as it becomes more woke.
I haven’t been brave enough yet to cancel my prime membership, but I do a lot of ordering directly from other sellers. And I usually don’t have any trouble adding up to a $50 purchase to get free shipping. Where Amazon has me hooked is with my Kindle. I read a lot and the digital format is so much easier on my eyes.
Have not ordered from Amazon since first time in 2012. Triggered email spam of all types and attempts to out charges on my credit card. I figured a company that big should have been more secure.
Amazon now offers up to $4,000 annually to their employees to cover travel expenses associated with getting an abortion.
Curious, how do you know that?
Just an fyi, Gates Foundation is the culprit brought us the oral vax that brought polio back to paralyze & kill again. And then tried to blame the unvaxxed for its re-remergence.
I wonder if he'll treat us to an mRNA vax for polio too?
The bill gates Microsoft Virus vaccine.
Isn't he a wanted man in India?
"Unwanted" is more like it...
Where is the Leverage team? Nathan Ford (Timothy Hutton) and his crew could find a way to drop him off there. (TV, 2008-2012).
Yes. Accused of crimes against humanity or mass murder, or something(s) along those lines iirc.
Don't give him any ideas. Those he has are bad enough
The part about blaming the unvaxxd sounds vaguely familiar....
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I suppose it's too much to expect from sheep who would actually spend money to travel on a compliantly vaxxed cruise ship, but I say it's time for a little Mutiny On The Bounty action. Come on, cruisers; grow a pair!
I’d be in on the mutiny for sure!!! What can they do? Throw you overboard??
Actually, they CAN and they WILL put you off the ship. (They also have a brig!) I am not big on being a follower but let's be clear: on the ship, the captain decides everything. Including whether you get to stay on. NEVER touch another passenger in anger, and NEVER deliberately ignore an officer's instructions. Just don't go there.
Jeff, please let Senator Ron Johnson’s office know there’s some mailed donations coming too! Mine goes out today. Can those be counted in the tally? Mine has an ender of $2 involved in it, not cents though.
How do we spread the word about your Facebook jail? I don’t understand what to do?
Well the correct plan is to not use Facebook. Why give our biggest enemies our valuable clicks?
But I get it. We're trying to reach the normies.
Jeff was asking for our help. I don’t understand what that would entail to help him with his Facebook jail 🤷♀️
Maybe post on your page info about C&C, and that it can be accessed directly while Jeff is on a time out.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/-coffee-and-covid-monday-may-9-2022
He should have directed his Facebook followers over here a long time ago. Like you said.
With a PCR test of 3% accuracy (a known 97% false positive) for a virus that has never been isolated- can somebody please explain why we continue to give validity to this diabolical plan by calling it “COVID-19”? And, how is it possible to have a variant from a “virus” that has never been identified? Seems like those of us prudent enough to sort the truth from the lies would not submit to the language of the deception. Hmmm...
So are passengers getting symptoms while on the ship, get tested and thrown in cabin prison? Or they just randomly test healthy looking people?
Cause at this point if you're vaccinated and going through this Ina cruise ship then you're an idiot
Gotta remember the ones who are all boosted up and vacationing on an injected persons only cruise get excited at the thought of testing themselves everyday just to make sure they don’t get the cooties. You know, out of care and concern for everyone else 🙄. So, I’m guessing they handed out 5 tests to each person that boarded along with their welcome aboard masked and gloved handshake. 😂
Let the testing begin! 😂
It's amazing how much testing is going on for what should be a fun vacation.
I mean, if the Fed still is running a full Covid Emergency, then no one should be out while there's a plague afoot!
Yep, and it's not like they're going to actually TREAT anybody. The entire thing is full-on stupid.
Total nonsense. And yes, your guess is 100 miles off.
If you're vaccinated, then you have immunity. You can't get the disease.
At least according to any definition of vaccine that's older than 2 years.
So there should be no worries!
Noooo, you only need to redefine anything that doesn't fit.
After reading the horror stories of some of the cruise ships, I pretty much decided that's not the type of vacation I really wanted - even before 2020. The idea that something could go horribly wrong on-board and you're just stuck there until you get to a port or get the right help is more than I really want to deal with. At least w/ a plane, you've got a couple of hours or an emergency landing. And other vehicles can have their issues as well, but often with some sort of alternative.
That said - the activities/destinations for the cruises do sound interesting and I get why some people really like them. I just don't like the idea of being stuck like that for days with little recourse.
Stories like the one here - outbreaks amongst the lines with fully injected people - and then all of those people confined to cabins until they're done make me want to postpone even more. Hopefully this can be the starting point for them to wake up and say "we're done".
I’ve regarded cruising similarly. I always want my escape route open.