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So I am not an “expert” in education, just a mother, grandmother, and lifelong student myself. I have thought a lot about education watching my granddaughter go through lockdowns in Los Angeles public schools, catch up, and the catastrophic gap that occurred among students who didn’t join “pods” or engage tutors. In other words, poor people who worked two jobs and expected the schools to do the educating. So… I think everyone would learn better if we went back to rote learning. The only way to learn the multiplication tables is to drill it into your head—repeat them until you nail them down. Well, they don’t do that in school anymore. School is REALLY hard without repetition and memorization. Kids start long division without having mastered multiplication are lost. At one time we all sat in classrooms (rich, poor, etc.) and quietly filled out sheets of practice, practice.
Very few kids didn’t learn. Let’s go back to learning through repetition.
And phonics, that is how to learn to read. I went to a private school when very young, my college aged brother to public. I was taught to read with phonics. I helped him with his spelling!
All you have to do is read comments from FB posts to know that our country’s educational system has failed our young skulls full of mush! 😰 It triggers the Spelling & Grammar Nazi in me. 🤦🏽♀️
There should be more teachers like the one I’m about to describe…
In my college English class (around 1988) we were handed back our graded essay papers. One student addressed the teacher saying she should have received a higher grade because her English major sister wrote it. The teacher replied she would correct the grade. The student was delighted. Taking out her red marker the teacher crossed out the offending grade and proceeded to put a big fat ZERO on the student’s paper. The student was no longer delighted. 😝
I also got ‘push back’ for correcting sentence structure, grammar, spelling on submitted papers. The students objected because ‘it was a Nutrition course, not English’. I told them the mistakes were distractions I could not ignore; they detracted from the validity of the content. Needless to say, my reviews reflected their displeasure.
My aunt used to call it "mush-for-brains". My cousin, who was 3 or 4 at the time, heard it as "mushroom brains" and that evolution from "skulls full of mush" has stuck with us!
And in my mother’s day, teachers were simply teachers and generally enjoyed high levels of respect in their communities but now they are “professional educators” and (with many fine exceptions) now promote union-backed Wokism.
Almost? Remember Bill Gate's big initiative to "fix" the public school system? That was really about figuring out the bottons to push to corrupt it more, bring in the race-based "woke" agenda in stealth before strong opposition mustered. The corrupt Establishment are pulling up the ladders of success and are delibrately attacking us. They fear competition.
He's the reason they introduced common core math, isn't he? I remember my neighbor's kids trying to figure that out. I was going to school for applied math and thought it was just about the dumbest thing I had ever seen. If you want to confuse kids, teach them multiplication with common core.
Agreed that its a disaster. Its debilitating. The teachers are second-generation debilitated themselves. Colleges are just pumping them out. How many times have you happened across school notifications with spelling & grammatical errors? (& news reports!)
😉 I am certain every one of you caught those “its” instead of “it’s”...Just a little joke 🤗.
Don’t get mad. Teach. Speak softly and carry a fat marker so that when you have to drive by that nice neighbor’s “Please Drive Slow” sign, you can quietly add “ly”.
My biggest spelling peeve is when people write "loose" when they mean "lose". It's so bizarre to me that this error is so common. It's usually committed by intelligent people who really should know better, amidst writing that has otherwise fine spelling and grammar.
Another one for me is "comprised of." Oh, my God. Drives me crazy. A thousand years ago, I worked as a substitute teacher. One morning I was putting an announcement into the teachers' mailboxes. I read it, of course, and it had the words "comprised of." When one of the English teachers came into the room, I pointed it out to him in gentle exasperation. "It's like saying, 'included' of. Drives me crazy..." Then...I saw his face...and I hesitatingly said, "Oh...sorry...Is this yours? Did you write this announcement?"
He had indeed. The English teacher...Yikes...
Now, I realize "comprised of" has come into common usage, but it is 𝒕𝒆𝒄𝒉𝒏𝒊𝒄𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒚 incorrect. A university, for example, comprises multiple undergraduate schools, but it is definitely 𝒏𝒐𝒕 "comprised of" them. 😊
All of the confusion for similar looking or sounding words/homophones drives me crazy. Things like palate/pallet/palette. So many people have no clue about these.
I’ve noticed that our old friend (or nemesis!) Autocorrect will automatically use the apostrophe where it wasn’t wanted. It’s appears instead of its. We’re shows up uninvited when were was indicated. You have to constantly proofread. IT IS EXHAUSTING!
Is Autocorrect the reason why it appears that no one seems to know the correct usage of "apostrophe s"? This is my biggest pet peeve of all - plural vs. possessive! You cannot just slap 's on everything and expect your sentences to make sense!
In another life, I was an admin assistant for aerospace engineers. I was able to instantly discern if they had used Spellcheck as opposed to actually PROOFREADING their documents - to/too/two, there/their/they're, your/you're, then/than, etc., etc., etc. Argh!
And the inappropriate use of went when someone means gone!
Also, when I was in English class we were taught that “snuck” was not a word. It’s sneak, sneaked, sneaked. But I suppose snuck has become acceptable as I see that word being used even among famous authors, journalists, and TV news casters.
Well then, since we are weighing in on pet peeves here, this is mine. "Woken", as in "She was woken in the night." Whatever happened to normal language such as "She awakened in the night."?
I highly recommend listening to the podcast Sold a Story. It tells you everything you need to know about why many kids can't read at grade level today.
I remember 20 years ago or so in a special education course I was taking to get licensed to teach high school (after teaching in college), hearing experienced teachers talk about what an utter disaster the "whole language program" was. I had never heard of it, but learned it was quite entrenched and all these teachers could do was try to supplement it around the edges or just do the best they could to help all the kids who never learned to read.
I taught Latin, Greek and some French, and was always frustrated by the fact that students in learning to read a new language were invariably told similar nonsense: not to look up new words but just guess "from context", to skim the text for the "gist", etc. Of course, the results were invariably students having no idea what the text said (unless they had access to a translation).
That was for students who could already read well. I can only imagine how damaging that technique is for young children trying to learn to read.
That's crazy to not look up words. Back in my youth, I read Three Musketeers and the only way I got through it was with a dictionary at hand to look up all the words I didn't know.
My dad taught me how to use the dictionary. I would ask him how to spell a word, and he'd tell me to go look it up in the dictionary. So I learned a lot from that experience!
My siblings and I were taught to read using the phonics system. We were all reading at the college level while we were still in grade school. Fast forward 10 years or so, and the little girl I was watching was having trouble with a homework assignment. I was trying to help her sound out the words, but she kept saying, "We don't do it that way. My teacher says 'To Guess and Go On'"! I couldn't believe that was considered a valid way to teach reading!
At the risk of sounding like an old fuddy-duddy, from 3rd grade on, we had 20 vocabulary words every week. We had to take the vocab words, write them out, add the dictionary definition(s) and part of speech, and write a sentence using the word. At the end of the week we had a spelling test. We received 3 grades off that one vocab list: Spelling, Vocabulary, and Penmanship.
Totally agree. When my now 31 y/o son was in first grade, I asked his teacher exactly "when"the students would be taught to spell the words correctly. She replied that we shouldn't pressure them... As a result, he initially struggled with reading. He did not know how to "sound out" the words. Ridiculous! That's how I learned and my parents before me.
I had the same experience with my 34 yo son. He was in the third grade Gifted and Talented program and his score on the standardized test in spelling was atrocious. I questioned the teacher and she said "don't worry, we don't really emphasize spelling- he will eventually learn". He also was never taught cursive so his handwriting is like chicken scratch. And my 39 yo daughter never received ANY teaching of English grammar outside of my at -home instruction. I sent her younger siblings to extracurricular grammar classes during the summer because I realized that grammar was not in the curriculum in our public schools. Totally absurd!!
Truth! My older kids got ‘whole language’ in public school and can’t spell to save their lives, while my youngest went to private school for a few years and learned phonics. The difference is marked.
I had a twenty something kid come by to sell a truck to me. When it came time to sign the title over,where it says “ sign here”, and then “ your name here”, they were both printed. I said you gotta sign your name, bud. He said that’s how I sign. I wasn’t taught cursive. This is a twenty year old in Florida. Grrrrr.
As a Career Counselor I was tasked with proofreading resumes (remember those?). I emphasized that mistakes on a resume, that first impression, said two things about the applicant: you don’t know you made a mistake or you don’t care enough to correct it. Neither will help you get that job interview. Some got my point.
yes ! and in Europe we had to hand write them, no typing or god forbid, computer print outs. To my astonishment, when I came to the States, they wanted printed resumes. I thought that was a total no-no, because you can just download something, put your name and info on it, and done with it!
Definitely phonics. And take away their devices in school. My opinion, one of the greatest problems with people is they learn to communicate via social media, and it's straight up awful. They know nothing!
Phonics, critical thinking, go back to the old school of teaching certain skills, get rid of the common core BS! Just the basics, reading, writing, math, etc.
But that is what made our generation great, and you know "they" don't want that. They are deliberately dumbing down our kids and grandkids.
“Write” is a bit of a misnomer. No one really writes - a least cursive - anymore. The standard of putting language to paper these days seems to be connecting a series of printed letters using an occasional swoop or swirl.
It wasn't called "phonics" when I was learning, but simply "sounding it out". We were taught a few basics about the sounds that different letters make, and the rest was lots of practice with lots of different words and reading aloud. By the time my youngest siblings were learning, it was "phonics", lots of rules to memorize, and even a phonics workbook. I loved learning to read, with lots of classroom practice. They hated it, but they did learn it. Maybe it was the teacher who made the difference.
My daughter was born in 1970 and by 1975 when she was kindergarten age I already knew phonics was "out" and word recognition was "in". We taught her to read using phonics at 4 and by 1st grade she was a really good reader and could read just about anything. I remember seeing a kid look at a picture of a horse, and the word "horse" was written under it, and the kid read the word as "pony". As Tyrus would say, " 'Nuff Said". When my son was born in 1986, phonics still didn't seem to be back and we taught him to read early as well.
You also teach the rules that apply to words and word sounds. I taught my kids very familiar exceptions first, to get those out of the way as I thought these might otherwise be confusing: one, two, iron, etc. Then had fun with homophones and made up funny sayings & I’d write them: “I have two tutus to take to Tutu” (their Hawaiian grandma). “Oh! I have two tutus to take to Tutu too!”
I don’t know how much it helped, but it was great fun. They learned formal phonics and grammar at their school and later, formal logic and latin. I’m a product of 1950s Cal public schools, which were excellent. I hit the revolution, though, head on in the late sixties, when order, logic, and reason were thrown to the wind. All became systematic confusion and experimentation. I got my autodidactic degree in the school of hard knocks! What a ride!
Well, much later, our Good and Gracious Triune God restored to me that order, logic, and reason and so much more! I thank Him every day.
I moved a lot as a child, not only different schools, but states as well. I struggled with math and I didn’t learn my times tables past 6. I also missed out on the “order of operations” in algebra. It wasn’t until I took a bonehead math class at 35 that I “discovered” the missing part. I had testing at my local college because of being on the math struggle bus. They said I had some learning disabilities regarding math. I wonder if I would have them if we hadn’t moved 11 times?
Every Friday (if we had behaved that week) my fourth grade teacher good ol’ Mr. Anderson, would separate the classroom into two teams and we would have a contest with flash cards on which team could answer first our Times Tables. You bet we learned them through pure repetition. I still know them all at 62 🤣 We even challenged the higher grades up to the 8th graders and beat them all. Now days they’d worry too much about hurting students feelings 😵💫
5th and 6th grade in my elementary school every Friday we did flash cards around the room with fairly easy math problems. You moved around the room and when someone seated answered first you took their seat - I loved math and would sometimes get all around the room. In hindsight I’m sure there were those who struggled ……don’t remember anyone crying or complaining tho 😂
I went back to college after retiring from the military.
I would make flash cards of the different paintings of artists for one of my Art History classes. Had a young guy sitting next to me in class who said, "I don't need to make an 'A" that bad.
We had math races too. Our class raced the other 3rd grade class and if we won every heat, our class got ice cream. It only happened once.
Either we were pretty evenly matched or our teachers cheated so they didn’t have to mess with ice cream. Either way, we put our heart into those races!
I preached on the subject of the importance in stability many times in my career in education. To deaf ears and ‘who cares’ looks.
It was common to pull a black middle school student’s file and see that in 8 years of school attendance (preschool and kindergarten included), they had been enrolled in 6-10 different schools. I’m serious. Most in Jacksonville, which has a very large number of schools. Often in the files there would be disciplinary notes that explained a desire to leave. I wanted to cry on a daily basis for the eight years I was there.
Students are as good as the family they come from. That is the root cause of society's ills. To expect a public school to repair the damage done in the home is ludicrous.
Yep. They do not address the issues. The child they supposedly want to help gets shunted around and never learns to fit in, behave and learn. By 16 you have a young person who cannot function in society except in gang banger society.
That was it! Glad you filled those holes. Humbling but elating at that age. Teachers need to be alert to those holes, or gaps, bc everything after that is predicated on & builds on what was learned before.
I liken it also to a cruising ship — a kid falls overboard & a speedboat must be sent out immediately to find where he’s at & bring him back on board. Quickly, before he gets too far behind and drowns.
If the teachers can’t do it, there should be parent volunteers or other students to assess and analyze at every step & help ‘em get back to speed. Sometimes as simple as to require correcting work when handed back & reviewing the lesson, if necessary. It’s great to see the struggler’s light bulb go on! But the work must be done daily and mastered.
Teachers are as bad as the teacher colleges and assorted system that produces them. Teachers are no longer actually allowed to teach, create their own lesson plans. "Presenters" is a better term for them.
I call them Classroom Managers now. To be called "Teacher" one must actually teach to their children not manage them. And likewise, there should be students who are heard, not handled when they don't understand a segment in the curriculum.
Interesting. My Mother, who was a Narcissist, said to me one time while I was complaining about moving so much, “Well those military kids seem to like it.” She attended the same Catholic school 1-8 and a public HS back when they were actually taught. She was shocked to find out I didn’t know my times tables. 🙄
It could have been a generational effect, with poorer teaching in later decades ('thanks,' 'teaching colleges' and teachers' unions), or even, as in my case, a single poor teacher in a critical year. I was in one college-prep (by upper-middle-class district) government school system my entire 1-12 educational career, and yet my father is who taught me both my times tables and basic grammar, my government school having failed me on both counts. I am so thankful that he paid attention, just by asking me a few questions at home ("tell me what the answer to this is," e.g.)
Yes, the importance of fathers (and mothers) in the home. "Kids whose dads actively engage with them may do better at school, new research suggests." . . ."Research led by the University of Leeds has found that children do better at primary school if their fathers regularly spend time with them on interactive engagement activities like reading, playing, telling stories, drawing and singing." https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/26/dads-have-a-unique-effect-on-kids-attainment-heres-how.html
I have been called a brilliant writer by teachers and college professors, and have gone on to professional independent book editing, however, my mind could not wrap around math past first semester 10th grade algebra. Infact, I chose my college because it did not have a freshman math requirement.
It was a real struggle.
My son, although a tad better, also had the same high writing/ English skills and math struggles. It happens. Similarly, many mathematics geniuses cannot write well at all.
I never moved and had a terrible time with math. My dad, a jr high principal and former math teacher, would try to help me and I’d just cry...in 7th grade, they decided to make our math class “self-directed”. You advanced at your own pace. BAD IDEA! My progress was slower than a snail’s pace...🐌🐌🐌
Math is often (for most intellectual levels--there are obviously incredibly bright kids and highly math skilled ones too) a brain-age thing until we get to a certain "age" (which may be different for all of us). This is exacerbated by not learning the "basics" like times tables etc. (which wasn't my problem) but I found that I didn't do well with algebra my freshman year of high school which made me opt out of harder maths later on. I regretted it when I finally went to college at 23 because I basically had to start over with pre-algebra and get thru calculus for pharmacy school. What I found so frustrating when I was 14 was an absolute joy at 23 (for me) but then, I was paying for it, wanted that degree (so needed the A to qualify--esp with the math needed for all the up-coming chemistry). I was a young high schooler (graduated at 17) and have learned from others that math generally comes easier as we get a little more mature and can wrap our minds around "unknown" concepts. Plus those *stupid* math questions on all those *stupid* Iowa Basic skills tests. Who wouldn't hate math after those???
I went back to school at 35. While Algebra “clicked” after I learned the order of operations...the rest was hard. I didn’t go past the bonehead math class. I struggled with the x over y concept and square roots. My brain feels like that egg hitting the pan in that old anti-drug commercial. Sizzle. 🫤😑 I did like the geometry part though. And I’m a hairstylist so maybe that’s why!
My husband is an engineer and he hated algebra. He absolutely loved geometry. He said algebra was so ‘abstract’ while geometry is ‘REAL’. While he, at times, had to use algebraic equations, Geometry is based in reality. So, you are not alone. And honestly, algebra doesn’t make a lot of sense at times, where Geometry is solid, common sense. And I would rather have common sense than to be esoteric.
LOL! We must be twins separated at birth! That is exactly how my brain feels when I even think about math and any other subject that stretches my knowledge base. And the geometry thing? I took it (AND chemistry) as a SENIOR and actually enjoyed it very much. It wasn’t abstract...
Indeed, math and other analytical skills need a brain old enough to grasp each new concept. For example most kids can't do analytical writing until through puberty. And, going through puberty means kids often have wildly different mental abilities. One day behaving like toddlers, the next day like adults, and the third day back to toddlers. That is a big reason why there is the 6/7/8th grade split for junior and 9-12th for regular high school.
I was almost an entire year too young for my grade level. During 8th grade I struggled badly with algebra until the spring term. Senior year high school calculus was a horror show until about 2 weeks before the late Spring AP exam. Nailed it. My very old and highly tenured math teacher who taught the only calculus class exclaimed to me angrily when she saw my great AP score why had I not "worked harder" for her during the school year. She practically accused me of cheating. She had already tried hard to discourage me from taking the AP exam afraid I'd ruin her "record." Not once during the school year did she offer to help me as an individual. Just stood at her blackboard or sat behind her desk with a one size-fits-all teaching style.
In college I struggled with physics - dropping it twice - until I got a great and very old professor - not a teaching assistant! - who offered to go over the weekly problem sets with us in a small group after each set was graded. From a class of over 130, less than 12 of us met weekly with the professor who went over and over each problem, usually a 45-60 minute session until each of us fully understood every solution. We all aced our exams.
Good teachers treat each student as individuals with different rates of learning. Bad ones think of their students as robot cogs with pre-set, in fact prejudiced!, expectations.
Gosh! Almost forgot about physics!! I LOVED physics in college but will admit to struggling and then actually dreaming about it (after studying for hours) in order to grasp certain concepts--I'd wake up and think (no kidding) EUREKA!! I did have a pretty good physics prof though who really enjoyed teaching students who *wanted* to understand. And my 24 year old brain did just fine with calculus--I remember actually being irate that it was so easy because it made the math all line up so much better for me-- a short cut to the answer--but I was one of those students who could often find the answer without doing all the complicated work---but did the work anyway because it was required. (which is probably why I understood the calculus). Meh. I'm no genius but no dummy. I'll always be inferior to my brother who breezed thru post-grad physics and designs his own stuff at (redacted large semi-conductor business) so....in my mind I'm the dumb one. LOL!!!
Your experience sounds very familiar (algebra was anathema to me!) and all my friends who were taking Calculus and Physics spoke a language I couldn’t understand. I did take 4 years of French, though...LOL! And when I transitioned into Community College, I had to take a remedial math class...O, the shame. I was doomed.
I can relate! I did terrible in Math could just handle the basics. I took the general math in HS whichever qualified to graduate. I did accounting because it was easier for me. When I got to college I was NOT prepared for college Algebra. I don’t think I ever passed it.
Long story ended up working administrative, bookkeeping and back office operations for commodity broker and financial advisor learned a heck of a lot more in the workforce than I ever did from public HS. My brain had developed, because you can relate it to real life and then figure things out.
Sadly, the education system puts everyone in one box to learn. We are NOT made that way we each are uniquely and wonderfully made.
I have witnessed the same thing with my children by waitressing, working retirement retail and handling money. We need to emphasize employment jobs teach skills that will get them to use their brains and develop such a self worth learning how to provide.
The education system has been on a constant decline for several decades. My daughter’s see it.
Sometimes math teachers can’t understand where the difficulty lies. Another student’s explanation can turn the trick. I’m sorry that happened. Math is just really hard for many people. But there are many routes to learning it — people have varying kinds of circuitry. ...Not a fan of our entrenched factory school institutions anyway. Home school, cooperatives, or some variation of the one-room schoolhouse are the best, in my opinion. Small-scale and not segregated into student birth year in a massive institution.
In fifth grade I got hit with the disastrous “new math.” They took away the math book I was using, and doing fine with, and gave us all the new one. From that day forward I struggled with math. My engineer father couldn’t even help me. I excelled in all other subjects, so they put me in “high math” in sixth grade, which was torture, because all the other students in there were getting it just fine. The new math experiment eventually was replaced with worse things. My teacher friend always is obsessing over more “new” ways to teach math. None of them seem to work. I went on to get an English Degree but have a vague consciousness of a whole life I missed out on, because I would have gone into science had the math not been an obstacle that I was never able to surmount.
We must be the same age! That’s what we did in 7th grade as well. We had individual race cars going around a track for our “self directed” progress. lol. Mine barely made it past the first turn.
😩😩😩 I’ll be 64 next month, should have graduated in 1978 but could read before I was even in pre-school (3 1/2) so they kicked me up to 1st grade from kindergarten after the Christmas break. I should have stayed in Kindergarten--I had trouble finishing my assignments and may have been a little ADD...but I sure could read well! I ruefully admit that getting moved up to 1st grade was my only academic achievement. 🙄
I’ll be 65 in February. I read Little Women in 3rd grade and can read 400 + wpm. I love learning, but hate writing papers and taking tests…although I’m generally a good test taker. I also tested for GATE in 2nd grade. My Mom said she took me to the new school but I cried when we got there and she didn’t make me go. I totally don’t remember it.
Yep. I got lost in long division, mostly because I didn’t know my times tables. I was math phobic from then on and suffered terribly for it (Thank God I was an avid and very good reader and writer!)
At 62 years old, I finally see the joy in the times tables. I guess an old dog CAN learn new tricks!
I missed 3 weeks of first grade in 1967. We flew to California and because I was "advanced" (they'd discussed skipping 1st grade altogether), my parents didn't think it would have any effect. TO THIS DAY, I have trouble adding 7s, 8s and 9s AND the difference between right and left. I CAN add those numbers but it takes more mental power. I do know right and left, but if I'm pressed for directions in a tense situation, say in a car...I just point. 🤷♀️
Meee tooo! I thought it was just me! I frequently point to the left and say right and vice versa. In HS in Drivers Ed Mr.Terry wrote an L in one hand and an R on the other because I would get confused as to which was which.
I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread...makes me appreciate what we all went through as children of the late 50’s & early 60’s...God bless us, EVERY ONE!! (Apostrophes courtesy of Autocorrect! 😝😝😝)
I can assure you Renee, it is not you. We struggled just in our state to have a state wide math curriculum so that students moving from town to town would have a consistent math program in each school. Of course that never happened. In fact while in middle school my daughter spoke at a PTA meeting revealing since first grade the math program was changed three times. There is always a new "program" that is sold to districts, but rarely do we question whether any one is better than how basic math was taught in the past.
And if you can't, you can't. There are other ways to find answers to your problems and ASKING for help is a virtue. Not everyone is good at everything but there's a place for everyone's talents. "Gov funded" school was created for slaves. Education is created for those who fear God. There's NO EASIER time in all history to be able to EDUCATE anyone.
Unfortunately it will improve the students progress in the schools with less black minority population and then the experiment of separate but equal will fail. The administration will try to spin it as white privilege or toxic masculinity etc. Blah blah blah blah.
Are you aware that preschool teachers in some states are not allowed to teach the alphabet or alphabet sounds yet they are expected to have these 4 year olds reading by the end of the school year? And no praising or asking them to stop doing something that is wrong allowed. Also no rote learning allowed like counting, the ABC’s and do not teach an alphabet song or read an alphabet book if you do you as the teacher gets reamed a big one.
Then there is cursive writing, don’t even get me started on that one. Just think what are all the old documents written in, from marriages, births, deaths, etc to our founding documents. Then ask how one reads them without knowing cursive.
Hilarious yet sad: one of the stores in my chain hired someone for the pharmacy who could not read cursive. She could not read the prescriptions that came over. Sigh.
gender-affirming and exploratory education; State-sponsored and subsidized pre-K to get them primed for the Slave State and elder-massacre policy of the future
A friend of mine told me her grandchildren have to ask their parents to "translate" if she send them a card or note written in cursive. It might as well be another language because they can't read cursive!
The old but very apropos cliche is "practice makes perfect." There are others too, like "if you don't succeed, try, try again." In fact, there should be a return to that old fashioned idea (I know it's a pesky one) that students should actually work from books...not photocopies of excerpts.
Our children have been mightily blessed that each year the Lord provides them another year in private school. Sure their bags are heavy but they bring home their textbooks for homework.
Retired educator here. Could not agree with you more. Rote learning, memorized multiplication tables, grammar, civics, history and logic would benefit the electorate immensely. And sending the kids to school ready to sit down, shut up and show respect for others.
Your last sentence should be the FIRST THING our young folks should know before they even step foot into a classroom. But nobody seems to want to teach that to their kids.
Well, unfortunately our education system was derived from a need to teach folks how to show up every day, sit still for 6-8 hours, respond to a bell (do your next task kiddies), and learn how to read just enough so that you can follow simple directions and do what you are told. (It was also a great way to get more folks to read the paper so as to know what the government wants you to know so as to do as you're told.) All this education was great until they decided to sell kids who really didn't need one a college education (taking out a loan they will never be able to afford). This is how we got into this whole student loan mess, by making them all believe they must go when really only about 30-40% needed to go as they had a plan (worthwhile degree) and the means/work ethic to go about it.
‘I don’t want a nation of thinkers. I want a nation of workers.’ ~John D. Rockefeller. Rockefeller established and funded the General Board of Education in 1902.
Here is a quote by Frederick T. Gates, one of the members of the General Education Board :
“In our dream, we have limitless resources and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hand. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have an ample supply…The task we set before ourselves is very simple as well as a very beautiful one, to train these people as we find them to a perfectly ideal life just where they are… ”
“Retired educator here. Could not agree with you more. Rote learning, memorized multiplication tables, grammar, civics, history and logic would benefit the electorate immensely. And sending the kids to school ready to sit down, shut up and show respect for others.“ 🌟🌟🌟🌟AMEN !!!
Let's go back to 'no government in schools.' The easiest way to start is homeschooling and school choice state laws, so that funds follow the student to any reasonable educational setting, instead of only to government buildings and bureaucracies.
"The first step in understanding the state of education today is to review how government came to be the dominant force behind schooling in the United States. From the outset of the first settlements in the New World, Americans founded and successfully maintained a decentralized network of schools through the 1850s. Then, beginning in New England, a wave of change swept across the country, which soon saw states quickly abandoning the original American model of decentralized, private education in favor of government-funded and operated schools.
"This movement not only altered the direction and control of elementary and secondary education in the United States, but it also contradicted many of the principles Americans had fought for less than a century earlier:
- A country founded in opposition to central governmental authority allowed for bureaucratic management of its schools.
- A country synonymous with "free enterprise" and distrust of legally protected monopolies built a government monopoly in schooling.
- A country that stretched the exercise of individual choice to its practical limits in nearly every sphere of life severely limited the exercise of choice in schooling, assigning the responsibility for education to the discretion of government authorities.
'The system of K-12 government schooling that exists to this day clashes with the political, economic, social, and cultural traditions of the United States to an extent unparalleled by any other institution in American society."
When public school teachers were allowed by the 1970's to strike it was game over. Watched in California as teachers used strikes to maximize their pay and reduce their accountabilities for getting results from their students. When our school boards ran out of cash the teachers struck for future benefits like gold plated pensions with COLAs. In the last 20+ years, they've demand PTAs raise cash to fund almost all the music and arts classes, and many of the science classes in grammar schools.
Sat once with the former Calif. teacher union's top negotiator lawyer at a banquet around 2005. He bragged how he got the same benefits as tenured teachers. How he got medical co-pays of just 10 cents for his dependent wife's cancer treatments, 2 pairs of new prescription glasses for each of them every year even if not needed to see but just for fancy cosmetics sunglasses. He laughed and laughed how he, exactly like a mafia don in my opinion, had shaken down taxpayers for decades.
He actually cackled. That lawyer made his legal work contract with the Calif teachers union contingent on getting all the same benefits the teachers got plus his legal pay, too. He thought it was all a very clever game he had played to retire with a fat bank account and State taxpayers paid benefits. No shame whatsoever. He did not care at all that his cash and benefits were extorted under frequent teacher strike threats and had been taken away from helping students, maintaining school facilities, or paying teachers higher salaries. Fact those many lush government employee retirement funds are used by big investment banks to do reckless gambling with the biggest funds of all (public teacher retirement) and those are now woefully "underfunded" nationwide.... well, you can't fix greedy-stupid until they hit concrete walls of consequences.
30 years in the educational system tells me you have it right. Several years ago my son was having to try and teach algebra to students at Valdosta State, who didn’t know their multiplication tables. Forget about long division. Fractions? No way.
I saw a meme the other day about teaching kids to use a ruler or tape measure to appreciate and understand fractions. Makes ya wonder about our construction industry...😰
Yeah, when kids come by my shop, they see machinery that is just beyond comprehension to them. How will they, and their contemporaries survive, if all they know is how to click?
I know it’s everywhere. Once I had a middle school language impaired student insist on a calculator, when math was involved in our language trivia questions. I think it involved 7x7. He punched some keys, looked up and said, ‘440?’.
They don’t even know where the ballpark is located.
I’m not even sure there’s much actual teaching going on. Earlier this month public school teachers in Portland, Oregon ALL went on strike. Their demands:
—23% pay increase (well yes, prices have shot up enormously recently … we’re all seeing that)
—Better tools for discipline (yes again … at last! Crack down! Unless it means more safe spaces)
—Housing for students with no homes “so each student can get the best public school education possible.”
WHAT??
I’m reminded of the wonderful G.K. Chesterton quote, “The Progressive, generation after generation, ties himself up into new knots, and then roars and yells aloud to be untied.”
My son was persecuted the last several years because of writing a letter in support of traditional marriage. The staff went full woke and they figured out how to get rid of him without being sued. It resulted in him getting actuarial certification and moving on to far greener pastures.
Maybe; my husband's last semester there was spring 2020. He had already decided to leave, but the silly distance-learning business made it a much easier transition.
These schools are too busy teaching kids they are bad if they are not a minority, and of course, which bathroom to pee in. I've told this story before, but our store hired a cashier who could not count to 40 in order to make change. Schools have become useless. No shop, no home ec, not learning to balance a checkbook (which means no ability to figure out how much money someone actually has and can spend), no math skills (it's "racist"), no writing skills. I would love to know what they DO learn. I see your point.
Get out of public schools. The entire system needs to crash and burn. Groomers and hucksters. Your kid would learn more cleaning the house. As for the crap of preparing them for college - well that's a joke too.
Yes to a degree. Teaching a kid 2+2=4 does zero good if they don't understand the fundamental concept of addition. Without that it's just a semi-useless fact.
As with everything else in life it's not black and white. Yet in this country it's always one extreme or the other, as it takes common sense and rational thought to synthesize the best from various methods. And as we've all seen, these are in extremely short supply.
I agree, Jeff. That's why when first learning basic math concepts, visuals and manipulatives make sense. It is analogous to learning how to decode words but not knowing the meaning of them. You may very well "know" 2+2 = 4, but not have a visual representation in your head. The problem we encountered was that while our schools really focused on concepts, they weren't good at THEN focusing on memorizing math facts or how to spell words. This is a both/and situation and not an either/or.
Agree! Interestingly, if you can teach just the tables by rote BEFORE ~age four, with no visual representation — nonsense, but familiar, syllables — they become automatic, all of them as automatic as 2+2=4. This stays with them so that when later paper calculations are made, no concepts get in the way (as they’ll soon begin to do). It doesn’t interfere with the manipulatives, visuals, or everyday math that’s everywhere — in the apple slices, measuring in baking and the cupcake pan itself —in the everyday is the grammar of physics, language and nature. Bicycle: bi-, meaning 2 wheels; tricycle: tri- meaning 3 wheels; cycles — circles, circular, going round & round. Leaves, trees, flowers. And spokes are amazing! Language, logic, math & physics everywhere.
The child’s amazing mind integrates all this, but is not slowed down on the paper later on, when using figures by the visuals, etc. With an older child, when memorizing tables, the concepts & visuals can make it harder and not transfer well to the paper.
I found that the rote memorizing of tables is easiest, by far, for them at that early age. They don’t have to know what they represent. And it greatly helps them later, not hindering them in the least. Parents need to understand how play is always learning for young children. One on one with them (and no TV or computers!) and plenty of fresh air, books and family. How they love to memorize! How they love to learn.
...Read them Great BOOKS! Even well after they learn to read!
The Classical form of education recognizes the three stages of learning: grammar, dialectic, and rhetoric. Younger children are sponges, and can memorize all kinds of facts. Math, phonics, history, etc. In the middle grades, they begin synthesizing the facts (dialectic): Columbus was able to sail in 1492 because Ferdinand and Isabella finally evicted the Moslems from southern Spain, and had the money to fund his journeys. By high school, they are able to see pros and cons, and formulate an argument as to why Columbus should or should not have sailed. Our shcools today expect young students to engage in the rhetoric stage, without having learned the grammar (facts) and or how to think about them (dialectic). Until we remember how children learn, we will never understand how to teach them properly.
Absolutely right. Our girls also went to a Classical and Christian school here. It was a very rich academic experience.
One of my objections, however, with our particular school, was that in keeping dogmatically to the trivium at around the 6-7-8th grade level — a transition stage in childhood development when children are developmentally all over the map — they violated the very principles guiding that philosophy. They were openly critical of those “late bloomers” and younger students for not fitting the logic, or “dialectic” stage. They were nearly out of the grammar stage, just not quite. Their brains were moving there.
The irony is that the guiding philosophy of the trivium is based on attuning the curriculum and teaching to the developing minds of children. It is intended to be a guide, held not too loosely but not too tightly either. It’s a sound model, but it it was unwisely and unkindly applied by the individuals at our school, when those children are also most vulnerable. A good dose of humility, introspection, loving consistency, and patience would have made a huge difference in the lives of these very bright and excelling children who just needed to be given little time. I’m sure this is not standard in most of these schools, but it’s easy to see how it can happen any time a theoretical model is imposed on human beings by overly zealous and over-confidant adult authorities — especially on the young, We are all flawed people and our first guardrail must always be Christ’s love.
But you say well: We must understand how children learn as they and give them the tools they need to thrive accordingly. Dorothy Sayer’s model is a great place to start.
They don’t even learn cursive anymore. I wonder. Is that to keep them from reading the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence?
And Grammar? Fuhgit aboutit!!
My grandson is 16. I sent him a poem today:
‘Trees’ by Joyce Kilmer. He was so impressed with the poem. I told him his Granddad and I had to memorize it when we were very young, as we did many other, longer poems. He was blown away. He said he has never had to memorize anything. He is crazy smart, but it worries me that kids no longer have a chance to learn much of anything of import.
Teach him the poems and great speeches of the past. Help him to memorize them. He’ll thank you later. We do have a memory muscle of sorts. It grows stronger with use. The content and act of memorizing itself will serve him well!
My son memorized it at age 9, and astounded the other parents in our homeschool group. We seriously underestimate the capabilities of children because we have been trained to do so.
My grandsons (2nd and 3rd grade) go to a small, classical, Christian private school in Park City, UT. They memorize, must spell correctly, use punctuation correctly, write upper and lower case letters of the alphabet correctly, learn exact math, history starting from creation and are learning Latin. The education is far beyond what’s happening in the public school that 2 other grandchildren are attending in NC. If parents can afford to, (and if grandparents can afford to help) send your children to private schools! Public schools are little more than indoctrination centers that produce illiterate, poorly educated children. It’s changed dramatically even since my children attended public school!
There is a a video that has been widely circulated in which a NASA scientist says that we can't go back to the moon because all of the technology was lost and the footage was accidentally erased. Like, someone accidentally recorded a football game over the original, oops!
The problem they have is that fifty years later we still have not developed a method to protect astronauts from radiation within the Van Allen belts and beyond. NASA admits we don't have it and the original technology was "lost".
The moon is 234,000 miles away, but since 1972 no human has gone more than about 300 miles from the Earth. Nor has anyone tried. There's a good reason for that as its stays below the Van Allen belts which start at about 650 miles up.
The only humans that have ever (allegedly) gone through the VA belts are the Apollo astronauts. They went nearly 800x times further from the Earth than any other manned space mission and they did it fifty years ago. Weird.
We "used to have that technology, but we destroyed it - and it's TOO DIFFICULT TO BUILD BACK " says the astronaut in your video link ???
Too difficult to rebuild ??
....but we can send billions to Ukraine to fight a war that everyone has known it will lose - and all the money budgeted for and sent to Space Exploration.....
OTJ I’m with you. Five years ago, heck, 3 years ago I would have laughed at anyone claiming that the moonwalk was staged but now I think it’s quite possible, if not likely. And I’ve taken a look at the claims of the doubters and some of the arguments are quite strong. But those shots of all those engineers in the Houston room cheering, could they have been fooled or were they too in on the joke? I’m keeping an open mind. Like with 9/11.
I think if it was faked, the ground station staff would still have to have believed it was real, otherwise there are too many people in on it and somebody would have leaked. But even without them, there would still have to be a lot of people "in the know" and I'd be surprised if none of them had admitted the truth after all this time. For that reason, I actually doubt that it was faked, though I guess it's not completely impossible.
"Two men can keep a secret if one of them is dead", and all that.
Keeping an open mind is about all we can do........ to bad the loopy lefties are unwilling to do so.
As to the moonwalk?
I recall having a huge cart with a "manually-turn-the-channel dial" TV atop (rabbit ears? maybe - don't recall!) rolled into my grammar school classroom - and watching some of the "show", "live" (lol) ..... and I was a believer ever since ! Until, recently - same as you, Credenda.
A man named Eric Dubay has some interesting information available online, if you'd like to investigate it further. Just one of many sources, but a good place to begin your in-depth research.
Yeah, this exactly. Lots of old analog computers and 1960s systems that nobody makes any more, and none of the modern "smartphone tech" has really been tested in space for whether it works reliably under those extreme conditions.
well you could start with the oldest iPhone you can find - which has more computing power than nasa had at the time. and even nasa acknowledges (now) that all those all those impressive 'computers' were blank monitors.
I love that you brought this up Jeff! Seriously NASA doesn't even know how the moon was made or where it gets it light . Read their moon facts. Haha it's so laughable. https://science.nasa.gov/moon/facts/
They think "The leading theory of the Moon's origin is that a Mars-sized body collided with Earth about 4.5 billion years ago. The resulting debris from both Earth and the impactor accumulated to form our natural satellite 239,000 miles (384,000 kilometers) away. The newly formed Moon was in a molten state, but within about 100 million years, most of the global "magma ocean" had crystallized, with less-dense rocks floating upward and eventually forming the lunar crust."
"From here on Earth, the sunlit part of the Moon usually looks bright, almost white. This is an illusion. The brightness of the Sun’s reflected light makes it difficult to see the Moon’s actual color from a distance."
"And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good."
TWO great lights! Not the sun and its reflector! And get this: shadows created by the sun during the day are cooler than direct sunlight, but shadows from the moon at night are WARMER than direct moonlight. Anyone can check this out with an infrared laser thermometer...
I have no idea, but it suggests that what the "experts" tell us about the moon is either false, incorrect, or at best, incomplete. As a follower of The Book, I don't believe the moon reflects the sun, because The Book states that it is a separate and independent light. This suggests to me that "space experts," specifically NASA, are lying about the nature of the celestial bodies we see in the sky.
In his testimony before Congress on March 14, 1985, President Reagan's Science Advisor, George Keyworth, had this to say about NASA: "All government agencies lie part of the time, but NASA is the only one I've ever encountered that does so routinely."
And it may be just a strange coinkydink, but "nasa" is actually a word in Hebrew that can be pronounced two ways (NASA or NAWSHAW) and mean two different things depending on the placement of letter modifiers (like a dagesh).
The two different meanings is where it gets interesting: According to Strong's Hebrew Lexicon, nāšā' (#H5377) means "נָשָׁא nâshâʼ, naw-shaw'; a primitive root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:—beguile, deceive, × greatly, × utterly." This is the root word used in Genesis 3:13 where Eve says that the serpent "beguiled me." The second meaning, according to Strong's Hebrew Lexicon for nâsâʼ (#H5375), is "נָשָׂא nâsâʼ, naw-saw'; or נָסָה nâçâh; to lift, bear up, carry, take."
Could it be that NASA's purpose of the Apollo missions was to "lift up, carry away" astronauts in the Lunar Module in order to "deceive or beguile" the world about the nature of the moon?
And if that weren't interesting enough, care to guess what the literal meaning of the name "Apollo" is? "Apollo" is the English translation from Greek name Apollon or Apollonas, which means "to destroy."
So, did NASA use the "Apollo" missions to "lift off" into space and "deceive" the world, thereby "destroying" people's belief in the Bible and our Creator?
I recently read that space past near earth orbit also gets very hot before it gets cold.... That and a dozen or so other obstacles to overcome. Let’s start with micro-meteors traveling at 5000 mph.....
Not really a problem at all. Its a matter of how quickly can heat transfer between things.
A dry sauna regularly has temperatures of 150-190F. A humans can comfortably sit in one of these for 15 minutes and suffer no adverse effects.
Put a human in 150F water however and you get an instant 2nd degree burn and probably are in mortal danger after only a few seconds of exposure if done to the entire body.
The difference is the density of water (and its capacity to hold and transfer heat) is much higher than that dry air.
Air at a high altitude, or 'space dust' may have a high temperature, but because the density is so low, very little heat transfer is occurring when you encounter the rare molecule/atom.
"Lulz, they expect us to believe Nixon called the Astronauts on the moon over telephone lines. How did they get a telephone wire all the way to the moon. hyuck hyuck hyuck"
Analog telephone is not much more than a pair of microphones and speakers connected by copper, so its actually quite trivial to hook a telephone up to a radio (and tape recorder)
The White House switchboard makes a phone call to mission control in Houston, and connects the President's phone in the Oval Office.
The switchboard in Mission Control building sends the call into the flight control room where a very simple device is used to connect the phone system to the radio used by CAPCOM (and to a tape recorder)
Any ham radio operator in the 1960s could have made a device linking a telephone to a radio and tape recorder in their garage in about half an hour.
(and for ease of human listening, removed the time delay when playing copies of the audio)
This whole moon landing was a hoax from day one. It was a way to fleece the Americans of their money. The CDC and COVID was another hoax to fleece us yet again. And Climate Change is yet another. Until we wise up we’ll be fleeced constantly!!
This man’s face as he tells us about how 50 years ago we had technology we cannot replicate even now after we’ve digitally connected the entire world and calculated pi out to billions of places and AI and all the rest ... he looks deranged
And the whole reason Russia has been our “sworn enemy” for over 70 years is because they KNOW the US faked the moon landing. They've got the receipts AND the US government by the short hairs.
They also know that the continent of Antarctica is not what the US claims, which is why both countries developed and signed the longest running world treaty in history. Imagine that. Signing a treaty with our sworn enemy and nobody has ever even HINTED at breaking that treaty in nearly 65 years.
Well, the knowledge to construct the Great Pyramid of Giza has been lost too. We don't have the ability to duplicate what they (?) did when the pyramid was built. Heck, we can't even duplicate how some things were done in the 19th century. Everything today is plastic.
Well apart from the actual technology of pyramid building, we’ve lost the determination and willingness of the people to actually spend their labor achieving something.
We never had the knowledge of how the pyramids were built. But we did have the knowledge of how to go to the moon. There has to be someone,someplace who has saved this info- or at least some of it. Man going to the moon was our greatest accomplishment and we lost the records?
Well, couple of things. For one, the technology has changed. We could build a program to go to the moon again but it would not be using the same technology as the 60's. Propulsion systems have evolved, electronics has evolved, metallurgy has evolved etc. Secondly, there is corporate knowledge which there is none now. All the corporate knowledge, the knowledge base of all the engineers and scientists that built the Apollo missions is gone. Those people are dead or retired and no one has been trained up in those programs because there were no more programs of that sort.
Point is, we would have to start from scratch again and anything the Gov't does is horribly expensive. This is the reason the space effort died after the Apollo missions. The US was past it's peak and all of our wasteful Gov't resources were being devoted to the Vietnam War and the War on Poverty.
If we get back to the Moon and/or Mars, it will be done by efforts like Musk's SpaceX. There is no way on earth, NASA could have done what SpaceX has accomplished. Gov't is incompetent and entirely unaffordable which is why the US Gov't is now on the verge of bankruptcy.
I have trouble believing we could not build a pyramid today using a computer program. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. At this point I am questioning it all ... while we may not understand how the original architects built the pyramids, is it REALLY TRUE we cannot do it today??? Give me a break ... we are implanting the brains of quadriplegics with chips that message thoughts so that artificial limbs may move! UNILAD has a camera that can take so many photos per second that it is possible to SEE light moving. We built the Hoover dam which must have required a similar level of ability given its particular function??? I’m sorry I’m just not buying the story that we could not possibly build a symmetrical structure out of cut rocks.
"I have trouble believing we could not build a pyramid today using a computer program." I am NOT making fun but...seriously? As a lay person, I sympathize. It's all beyond me. I home schooled my boys and when they had finished high school, they had completed calculus and the CalTech physics textbook "The Mechanical Universe". I can hardly do simple algebra but they can do calculus in their head! I didn't teach them. I just set up a curriculum where they could accomplish it in a self-study environment. So I definitely am not an expert.
There have been a number of good books published describing the Great Pyramid in detail and, I haven't seen it, but it truly has to be seen to be appreciated. The Egyptians came along long after they were built and they modeled some of their tombs after the GP which were tiny in comparison. It's estimated that 2,300,000 limestone and granite blocks make up the GP weighing ON AVERAGE 2.5 tons - some much larger. Secular historians want us to believe that slaves dragged these blocks into place which is absolutely ludicrous. The blocks were cut with such precision that you cannot even fit a sheet of paper between the blocks. The whole pyramid was built mathematically perfect. Even it's alignment with the stars is perfect. The Hoover Dam which I have seen is like comparing an Erector Set with the Empire State building. The Hoover Dam is just a bunch of poured concrete and rebar. Nothing on this planet today that we have discovered compares to the GP though there are some pyramid shapes in the jungles of South America that have yet to be uncovered that have been mapped through aerial topography.
Point is, we don't even understand how these blocks could have been cut with such precision much less how the whole GP was built. Now if you check out a book that goes into detail about the GP, I guarantee you will find it totally fascinating. Now secular historians will never give any credence to this but Biblical historians theorize that the GP was built prior to The Flood and is even referenced in Isaiah. If so, it is the only structure that has survived the Flood to this day.
Isaiah 19:19-20 "In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its border. And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt..."
This altar or pillar is what the Bible describes in other passages as an altar of testimony. How can an altar be in the midst or center of Egypt and at the same time be at the border of Egypt? Egypt was originally two kingdoms: a southern kingdom and a northern kingdom of Egypt. The Great Pyramid lies "on the border" between the two Egyptian kingdoms and at the center of all of Egypt. Secular historians hate the Bible.
The Hoover dam was specifically built without rebar. They couldn't use rebar because the dam would tear apart with all the earthquake activity in the area.
That's interesting. I didn't know that. They built it during the great depression back in the day when men were willing to risk their lives to have a job. They couldn't build it today...you think?
Closest thing might be the Luxor Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas? Even has a beam of light blasting through the top and elevators, state of the art gaming center, casino and Bruno Mars LOL!
You know I’m fully on board with almost every conspiracy and theory that exists. I’m out there, Jerry! But we did go to the moon. To say otherwise is just stupid. Sorry. You can’t create a lie that big, and not have someone somewhere spill the beans.
You are using the argument my dad always threw at me when I would question things ... “it’s impossible to orchestrate a complex lie beyond a few people because someone would spill the beans!” ... I now know that was a CIA talking point provided in mass propaganda right around the time it invented the term “conspiracy theorist” ...
I was comforted in my dads confident response to my worries but now I know better. It turns out, the MORE people involved, the easier to conceal a lie! There are a number of reasons for this but I think the primary reason is that the testimony of an individual or even a small group is easily dismissed in the light of a large group intent on concealing the truth.
An excellent illustration is available in the way the pandemic was handled by virtually the entire globe. Think of how Sweden denied the wisdom of social isolation ... although Sweden is an entire country and one assimilated into international agencies, its voice was drowned out and mocked by those who were willing to believe the lie. Even now, with data clearly showing the foolishness of popular pandemic policy, there has been no vindication for Sweden! There is your example of a conspiracy encompassing the ENTIRE PLANET and yet the truth is still shadowed by the lie! Then you can look out at the pieces of the pandemic response puzzle that people with eyes can see adds up to either reckless folly or malevolence ... vaccines, masking, social distancing ... you can see entire industries held captive by these smaller conspiracies... the family doctor who did not dare advise her patients against experimental injections tested on a handful of mice, the preschool director who kept toddler students masked for hours at a stretch, the editor who willingly looks the other way in order to preserve government messaging ... HOW TO CONTROL SUCH A LARGE GROUP??? It is absolutely remarkable how well the pieces hold each other up like an indestructible house of cards. (I interject here to note that the truth will eventually unravel it all from fake moon landings to the intentional poisoning of billions of people. That is because the underhanded plans of greedy people cannot thwart the One who decides all things. Justice will be served it is only a matter of when)
It is time to let go of vintage CIA talking points to keep the frogs relaxed in their pot of heating water!
I’ve heard for years NASA faked the moon landing. . .there’s a lot of articles to read about the “conspiracy” if you want to dig in to it. I’ve thought the fake landing had a thread of truth but was skeptical too. When I read CC today it was an UREKA moment. I’ve sure learned the general public has been lied to over and over by the govt and alphabet agencies, so let’s just say that the fake moon landing is also a possibility.
The cat has been out of the bag almost the whole time. No one believed the ones who said it didn’t happen. They were gaslighted. The Russians and Chinese don’t want to admit that they fell for our ruse.
Neil, not sure why you are so defensive about this.
To clarify Kim's point, there is no *practical* method to protect them from radiation. Of course they could build spacecraft out of thick, dense radiation-shielding materials but the mass would be prohibitive. There is no practical way to do it today and there was certainly no way in 1969. And it is without question that nothing like this was used on the Apollo command or lunar modules.
Prior to reflexively calling people liars you really might want to actually consider their claims.
They put human dummies with radiation monitors on the recent Artemis 1 flight around the moon. Why would they need to do that if people had already gone to the moon? And why did the Artemis 1 mission take twice as long to get to the moon and back as the Apollo missions?
I don’t have a source at present, I just remember watching a nasa video in the last year or two where the scientists talked about not knowing how to get through those belts. It caught my attention because it didn’t make sense to me that we had already gone through those belts and now we can’t. Perhaps the astronauts didn’t go through it, but around it?
I linked it in a comment above, it's from space station astronaut Don Pettit.
The Apollo astronauts went through the Van Allen Radiation Belts according to NASA. They have never claimed otherwise. And it's not just the VA belts being dangerous themselves but the radiation present beyond them. The VA belts protect the earth from radiation by deflecting its path.
That is a deliberate misunderstanding of what Don Pettit meant.
When he says we 'lost the technology' he is not talking about losing the knowledge, or schematics.
We have also lost the technology to make an Apollo system in the same sense that we have lost the technology to build typewriters and steam locomotives.
Doesn't mean we don't have schematics, or that we lost the knowledge of how to build rockets/capsules. It means the machines to make the machines have all been scrapped. In some cases even materials used are no longer produced.
You can go to the National Archives and get copies of every schematic and procedure involved in Apollo, and yes those schematics when turned into physical parts assembled correctly did indeed get Men on the moon.
But you won't be able to take the schematics today and build an Apollo system because practically everything made for Apollo was custom. Many of the original suppliers no longer even exist, and if they do exist they have long since scrapped to tools they used to make those parts.
Take the room sized computers at Mission Control in Houston
Those computers are long gone so you need to find somebody to build some of those old computers, train people to use them, train people to code in that original language (so they can handle emergencies that might arise during a mission), etc etc
Now you might say "Hold on a minute, a modern laptop has millions of times more power than those ancient computers, just use a modern computer instead"
No so fast slick - you can't just go and install the old Apollo software on it and expect it to work.
You have to take the original software and its specifications and then re-write it to work on a modern computer system.
That's just one system. You have hundreds of other systems where you have to take the original part, then using the original design, find somebody to build it, or redesign it to use modern components.
Basically if you wanted to built an Apollo launch system, before you got anywhere near building a rocket you'd have to go and build hundreds of other tools and industries, redesigns, tests, develop new procedures, etc etc.
Ultimately, it would actually cost more to recreate Apollo than it would to start from scratch.
The problem with that argument is that we supposedly went from Alan Shepard's suborbital flight to Apollo 11 in eight years with very primitive computer technology.
We are SIX years into the Artemis program and still haven't put any people past low Earth orbit. They have admitted that the launch date for Artemis 2 (sending people to go around the moon) is highly likely to be pushed back.
You assume that the primary objective of the Artemis program is to actually put men in orbit/on the moon.
Apollo succeeded in 8 years because a fairly well loved politician set an end date for the project and NASA sort of had commit to meet that deadline to get its funding. As soon as they met that deadline the calls to terminate Apollo and its funding gained broader traction among the public
Today there is no such a deadline.
The purpose of Artemis is first and foremost to spend as much money as they possibly can for as long as they can. Secondary goal of Artemis is muh diversity. Getting men on the moon is its tertiary goal.
NASA is notorious for decades long boondoggles.
Before the Space Shuttle even made its first orbital flight it was known that it would not live up to its promise of 'low cost, fast turnaround space truck'
The James Webb Space Telescope took almost 20 years from its first approval to the time it was launched in 2021.
I think we should get the people pushing A.I. to get their A.I. to translate the old system to modern computers, figure out how to build the hardware, then put them in the resulting space capsules. To test the accuracy of A.I. before pushing it out to the world.
Great series for those looking for an informative and entertaining primer on all of the nonsense regarding the moon landings. Bottom line, there is far more evidence *against* the moon landing than for it. And yes, the "lost" video and telemetry Jeff Chiders referenced is exactly true. Along with many "lost recipes" for technology needed to make a manned lunar flight.
After reading this and all the info in it (and I've verified just about every claim made) you will never view them the same. You'll also realize that everyone who absolutely says they happened is a blowhard who never seriously looked into it but just parrots what they've been told. No serious person can make that claim after reviewing the evidence, at best it's not sure.
As to the "wag the dog" aspect the author points out how nearly every Apollo mission seems timed to align with escalation or bad news coming out of Vietnam.
I have GOT to quit reading these comments! I just went into Amazon and purchased The Laurel Canyon book by David McGowan. It's going to be my "light reading" on our next trip. The Center for Informed America is a fascinating site.
I maintain that if Kubrick directed the footage of the moon landings there would be a lot fewer visible problems. You wouldn't have had double shadows, flags flapping in the non-breeze, horizon lines all disappearing at the same fake distance, etc. They probably ASKED him though, which might explain why he dropped the hint with the kid in "The Shining" with the hand knit sweater that says "Apollo 11".
I haven't paid any attention to the moon controversy since the 70's. But I have a question: How is it possible that the moon always has the same side facing the earth in it's orbit? That does not impress me as a naturally occurring phenomenon. That impresses me as an artificial behavior of an orbiting construct. For what purpose? I don't know but it would facilitate the use of a tether between the earth and the moon or allow for the positioning of equipment that would always have a "sight picture" of the earth. That would be of enormous interest for the stationing of moon based weapons and observatories which would be of high interest to us militarily. Just saying.....
It's called tidal locking, and it's a natural phenomenon, although I don't understand it very well. It has something to do with a satellite orbiting too closely to its planet or star.
Not too hard. President calls NASA or visa versa. NASA holds a phone on their end up to the radio microphone while president talks, then listens to astronauts talking back to him over speaker box in control room. We have had 2 way radios over a century.
While the signal travels a quarter-million miles out and another quarter-million back (depending on the astronaut's location) yet there is no delay in the conversation on many occasions. There should have been a couple second delay.
The only reason we know this is because reporters taped a TV monitor showing the event supposedly live. All of NASA's footage was lost.
All sorts of really strange stuff that has not held up well under scrutiny.
A few second delay is nothing. The pause at the end of a sentence is sufficient to catch up. We have spacecraft operating at Jupiter and beyond that two way light times greater than an hour. It is routine to send up commands and have to wait a few hours to see if the commands were accepted and the executed. Don’t down play what the US accomplished in the 60s.
Neil, stop making excuses for your naivety. Calls via geostationary satellites have an obvious (and annoying) delay and they are only 23 thousand miles away. Now consider the moon is ten times that far, the delay should have been glaringly present but it's missing.
I get it as living a comforting lie is easier than facing the truth that we have been misled and manipulated. I don't begrudge you for that, but please stop with the lame excuses.
You must not be a flat earther since you agree that there are spacecraft in geosynchronous orbit. We likely wouldn’t have so many spacecraft in our world if it wasn’t for the billions that NASA has invested in space technology.
The interview afterwards with the astronauts said more than words. They looked like they wanted the ground to open up and swallow them. Imagine living with that all those years.
It was only the Apollo 11 tapes that got overwritten. This was one of the first times that massive amounts of telemetry data had to be stored. They learned from this incident.
During the Apollo 11 50th anniversary I enjoyed learning how NASA had to restore the one old machine it had to be able to read a magnetic tape with 30 or so tracks for data including voices from Mission Control as seen on TV and all the "back" rooms with other controllers around the world. No one had ever even transcribed all those voices until 2009! Idiocracy of a big bureaucracy in action.
Listen to these tapes. If you have questions let me know.
I, along with many others, listened to the YouTube version while reading along to help digest it more easily.
Also if you listen to them at a faster speed, I went with 1.5 X and it was still easy to follow.
Also look up videos of Arron Russo, he directed movies such as "Trading Places" and also was Bette Milder"s manager. He echo's this information. He states he received it straight from one of the Rockefellers mouth.
We have. The fake moon landing, JFK assassination, RFK asssassination, 9/11, school shootings, the Russian collusion with DJT, the earth is round, origins of Covid...lies, lies and more lies. Dont believe anything that comes from the government.
Clearly we didn’t go to the moon. It’s such a sad thing that happened and they think we can’t handle to the truth...that we will not trust our government anymore. We haven’t trusted our government since Watergate.
We kept trusting the government even after the Federal Reserve act of 1913 that was a Ponzi scheme for borrowing money to finance WWI that would not have otherwise been possible - even after Wilson campaigned for reelection promising no involvement on foreign wars. But Suddenly the FED made it was possible -- So millions were killed in the war and the aftermath involved millions more deaths with the 1917 SPANISH (?) FLU that was never Spanish nor the FLU- or a contagious viral disease , but an aftermath of poverty and malnutrition and other collateral damage following a world war.
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for our sins so that He might rescue us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen. — Galatians 1:3-5 LSB
I WOULD not be able to ENDURE this present and evil age, unless I KNEW that JESUS is COMING SOON! Every day is ONE day CLOSER to His appearing. COME SOON LORD JESUS!!!
The LORD is NEVER late. The LORD is never early. He will come back "at the appropriate time" not one second sooner or later ... AND rather than being patient, I pray to be PREPARED!
Pharmaceutical companies are pedagogical pimps. They monetarily beguile - then systematically whore out - academic institutions who in turn poison the medical profession with a scrambled assortment of deluded “scholastic quackery.” The pimps rake it in. Academia feels no shame. The medical professionals (some knowingly, some not) get dragged into the gutter. An entire system teeming with nomadic swindlers and thugs.
I don’t believe it is all of them either. I think TPTB squash the voices of those that oppose the corrupt medical system so that we perceive that all are in cahoots to destroy the institution of health. However, I think the majority are either willing participants or remain silent to preserve their jobs and status. JMO.
Yeah I agree and do not have much sympathy for them. The whole “we never could have know” is right up there with ‘just following orders’ to me. You could, should and prolly DID know better....off to the court with’ye!!
News flash- its not just medicine. Its ALL academia. Get grants from gov, that are used to sponsor PhDs in grad school, who they study and publish….. but of course if you don’t find what they are looking for you are to keep looking. Its a damn shame.
This is so true!! If your “study” finding does not support “consensus” science then your study will not be published and if you persist you will be demonized as a “crackpot”. If your proposed study questions a “scientifically determined consensus, your study may not be funded. It’s disgusting and anti scientific. It’s the government-academic-pharmaceutical cabal determining “science”. This form of “science” has determined the answer prior to the study. The study is performed and the analysis Must support the predetermined required outcome or it will be dismissed as faulty science.
Oh its not just what science says or has been reached as consensus… its also the narrative. Literally whatever they want to see. And they will rip funding if not found and written about. Its bad because people don’t
realize professors get grants to study X then students study and publish, but again if it doesn’t fit what they want the GOV could pull funding. I talked to an engineer who told me this is how his PhD was funded.
I saw this in my reaearch on social
programs which were ALL funded by GOV. They fund the program and the reaearch. Good but the problem is someone decided if they want prgm to continue or not to be good or not. Not the research. Many times I heard funder say you have to change how you say that. Too strong etc.
This seems to show in some of the vaccine C-19 studies, where the information shared in study points to shots being dangerous, but then the token "they are safe and effective" is thrown in at end, as if it's a requirement to getting around publishing/journal censors.
they cycle the $$$ and power to compel more cycling of $$$ and power, routine operations made easier without Monarchy, Fiscal restraint, etc. Global NGOs and Public-Private Partnerships with "experts/academics/careerists/lobbyists/scientists" to make it all work optimally; then throw in shell companies, billionaire elitists to recruit best and brightest young people to their visionary cause; so very efficient and progressive.
At this point, any medical professional who still believes the nonsense they learned in school or that has been thrust upon them during the pandemic is purposely lying to themselves. I understand how scary it would be to admit it and move on to truly helping people, but there’s no integrity ignoring it!
Today, I was talking to a man who was still greiving from his mom’s death. As we were talking, he told me that she went to the hospital for surgery but she was in so much pain that it caused a heart attack... and she died. I asked how old she was and he said 62 and she was in great health. It should have been an easy surgery if she hadn’t been in such pain. I asked if she was vaccinated. He said she was... he didn’t belief in it but she did. This is the first time I have heard of extreme pain causing a heart attack. Then we talked about God having his own timeline each of us. So incredible sad.
Welcome to the deep waters of the conspiratorial dark side of the moon pond. Careful on your board and for goodness sakes avoid that area by the grassy knoll.
I work in an urban school district and the problem with achievement is that it’s a cultural issue, not a black issue. It’s the culture of poverty, generational poverty. People in this culture do not have the same educational and behavioral values that the middle class or upper middle class culture has. It can be black or white or whatever students. Also, my take on the affinity classes, I’m sure that all of the behavior problems are concentrated in these classes. I feel sorry for those teachers.
I’ve always said everything is a Cultural issue, not a race issue. I personally think “cultural diversity“ is the downfall of America. In the old days, immigrants assimilated into what became the American culture. Parents insisted their children learn English. One may have kept their culture close to their heart and practiced customs in the home, but on the outside one blended into the American dream as best they could. I would not want to live next door to a neighbor that blasted rap music into all hours of the night, I don’t care what color they are. People want to be around, live among and hang out with their own culture. It’s human nature.
But we also had great diversity, it was just self-sorted into communities of people with like minds and habits. Why is Pennsylvania known as The Quaker State? It has nothing to do with motor oil. Why is Germantown, Maryland, called that? As my mother used to say, I'll give you three guesses, and the first two don't count. Forcing people into a single standard of acceptability of thought and habit, enforced by constitutionally unauthorized government regulation and law, with legal 'remedies' to inequality of outcomes, is the problem. (and by 'constitutionally unauthorized,' I mean by the actual law, the Constitution, not 'constitutional law,' which is just the study of what particular judges or Justices said the law must be.)
Don't discount the importance of fathers (and mothers) in the home. "Research led by the University of Leeds has found that children do better at primary school if their fathers regularly spend time with them on interactive engagement activities like reading, playing, telling stories, drawing and singing." . . . "The positive impact holds true no matter the gender of the child, nor the families’ ethnicity or household income, according to the report." https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/26/dads-have-a-unique-effect-on-kids-attainment-heres-how.html
Having served in municipal government in a very blue state I’ve witnessed firsthand how government welfare programs incentivize single parent households. A two parent household could not receive welfare and the more children a woman produced the greater the amount of government assistance she received. Many “families” consist of a single parent, almost always a female, with children who are half-brothers and half-sisters sired by different males. In such an environment young males lack a mentor, a loving father concerned about their development and education. The father/mentor role gets substituted with gang membership and the associated criminal, alcohol and drug abuse. It’s a vicious cycle. Government’s response to underperforming schools is to give the schools more money and/or as Jeff has reported a rebranded form of segregation. The real solution must address the root of the problem: the government’s incentivizing of single parent households, or in other words the destruction of the traditional family structure.
Yes, the "destruction of the traditional family structure" supported with $$$ by the government and reinforced by the culture from the Jodie Foster-types (no Dad necessary, just have that kid that you want - notice it's always what the parent wants, not what is best for the child) and the labeling of masculine as "toxic" as in something poisonous and harmful etc. etc.
could be there are LESS behavioral issues when Black teachers work w Black students. avoids that pesky conforming to white authority excuse for acting out.
My mom taught briefly when my dad was employed in DC in 1970. That date is not a typo. She was kindergarten, so still pretty tame kids. Another teacher there taught 3rd grade to a class of nearly all black students, who said they did not need to listen to her and called her a f---ing white b--ch. That was 1970. Clearly none of those kids cared at all about education of any kind.
I find it hard to believe we landed on the moon with technology that can fit on a floppy disk, and we flew back in a large garbage can. And today, we are still having problems getting there! I mean are there aliens on the moon sabotaging our trips or what?
That is a very astute observation. Think Columbus crossing the Atlantic in that dingy of a sail boat or the Vikings crossing to North America. Have you seen how high rises are constructed in the orient? Zero safety equipment. Workers stories above ground walking on bamboo poles that would give anyone a heart attack. Yet they get it done. Life is much cheaper in the Orient. And then there is D Day in WWII.
And when the rocket guys realized they couldn’t pull it off in the boasted time frame, they had to resort to staging the great deception . It’s a very good fake though.
The Soviets say that if we hadn't shown we could get to the moon successfully that the Cold War would have gone very differently from 1969-1989. Quite an impressive feat that was required of the West...we HAD to do it to counter their lead and put them in their place. The entire world had to and still must accept that the USA got it done or else..(?)
IT is also worth noting that NASA attempted to simply fire a large rocket in to the surface of the moon in order to collect data and even THAT failed....Oh for the halcyon days of that 1960’s technology.
Got to hear this 15 minute speech. Not to be missed!
This is a riveting 15 speech by the Romanian MEP Christian Terhes at the fourth International Crisis Summit. As a Romanian, he understands more about liberty than we do as Americans who have forgotten the ideals of liberty that our Founding Fathers fought and died for on our behalf. He understands because he and his countrymen lived under the tyranny of the Soviet Union until about 30 years ago. We are in danger of losing our liberty because we no longer have any corporate or familial knowledge of the ideals of liberty that our forefathers fought for. We have squandered our inheritance.
"...We were in a totalitarian regime 30-some years ago in Eastern Europe or up to 30-some years ago in Eastern Europe. But you guys in the West, you were not. The problem is that we are witnessing right now the installation of a new totalitarian regime all across the globe. A few months ago, the WHO signed a contract or whatever, an agreement, with the European Commission to use the digital Covid certificate across the globe. It will be on your cell phone. They're talking right now at the European level about the digital vaccination certificate..."
I listened yesterday and I agree; everyone needs to hear it! It's especially moving to me because I visited Romania in 2003. We were told not to talk about Ceaușescu unless a Romanian instigated the conversation. The older people cried as they described life during that era. Some initially had trouble adjusting to having the freedom to make their own decisions. The young people wanted to copy the American lifestyle, which is an embarrassment to me. Our country has exported so much immorality and focus on material things.
For some reason I have an attraction to Romania. Always have..... For a commercial entertainment peak into Bucharest the HBO series Umbre is really quite good....
It’s about time the ridiculous psyop moon landing was outed. Imagine a tin can in 1969 flying successfully over 200,000 miles (amazing they had enough fuel round-trip!) into who knows what type of terrain/atmospheres, then landing “live” on air, right on target, and easily transmitting communication across those “space” miles in real time—- with Nixon speaking to them on his landline. In 1969. The concept itself is ludicrous. I can’t even hold a cell signal 300 feet above sea level in the Hollywood Hills.
Suzanne, you’re onto something there! I cracked up at your comment. Tang, sugar and artificial flavors. That’s it, the moon landing was invented to push crap into our minds and crap into our bodies. 🤣🤣🤣
as genx, we started out just not buying what they were selling. and younger gens don't even know anything about the moon landing. I wasn't trying to be hostile - it was much more defining for your generation that's all I meant.
I’m a boomer and I totally get what you’re saying. It’s even worse today, people won’t believe the vax is causing their fast agonizing death until they’re almost dead. If even then.
I am a boomer and one of those smart kids in the room that went on to become an aerospace engineer for 40 years. Yes we did go to the moon and will go back in the next few years. There is proof we went to the moon. Moon orbiting spacecraft have photographed all the landing sights. The astronaut footprints are still up there. Look it up.
Perhaps it's not about whether or not we went, but about demoralizing both those who think we did, and those who think we were lied to. Perhaps it's gaslighting for the sake of gaslighting. Preparation of the psychological battlefield.
BINGO! Everything, and I mean everything, for the last 4 years has been one giant, military grade psyops. The goal of those trying to subjugate us in typical Marxist fashion is to destroy the family, destroy the American culture, destroy Christian belief and reduce us all to electronic control without any free will just as the Romanian MEP explained who had lived under the same rule in the Soviet Union. Everything is used to divide us in one comprehensive psyops run by the DoD and the CIA. Believe nothing, question everything because it is all psyops. I'll take my stand on what is actually important. I think the coming year leading up to the election is going to be explosive because the overlords are desperate. They can feel the hatred and discontent of the American people and as much as they try to hide it, they know there is a tsunami of support for Trump that will attempt to swamp their election rigging. They are afraid!
Neil, I don’t want to offend you but your description of being “one of those smart kids...that went on to become an aerospace engineer” is off-putting. Lots of us that follow C&C are “smart” and went on to successful careers in various areas but are also discerning and have critical thinking skills that serve us well in figuring out truth and lies. I don’t blindly trust the government or anyone without verification.
These folks we are dealing with here, unfortunately, have their ultra rare super duty thinking helmets in high gear, and Will parrot much of the stupid they hear. Which is odd, for most of these folks are highly intelligent. The moon landing was real, but that was when we could trust government thirty percent. Now, we can’t trust them at all.
If it was faked, maybe you should try to find one of the tens of thousands that did the work that made it happen. Think they were all in on it? Lol
I meant to post this here so I guess I'll post it twice.......................
Look, I've been following this thread and what Neil said is not "off-putting" or demeaning. It was a simple observation. The difference is even more so today as the quality of education has fallen to abysmal lows. Those who can handle the mathematics required for the hard sciences are indeed the "smart kids". The psyops has gotten us to the point where we are willing to believe everything was phoney. I see no reason to believe the moon landings did not occur but even if that is true, that is not what is important. Yeah, I know JFK's death was a CIA assassination and 9/11 was a DoD gov't plot to install a surveillance state and perpetuate endless wars. That doesn't in and of itself mean everything else was fake. What is important is realizing who the enemy is that is trying to destroy us as an American culture. We have to keep our head screwed on correctly about what this war is and who we are up against.
I've watched USA educational levels in math & sciences over 50 years tank. Most here are now mere info-tainment consumers with ever shorter attention spans, not critical thinkers. One need not be a scientist or math expert, much less have a college degree, to be a critical thinker.
Summer of 2009 I went aboard the museum aircraft carrier USS Hornet for several Apollo 11 50th anniversary events. Sat a few feet away from a panel discussion including the NASA engineer/tech and doctor (John Hirasaki and William Carpentier) who shared the mobile quarantine trailer with the astronauts on the Hornet. Didn't detect one shred of any body language indicting lies from either one.
At another lecture on the Hornet that summer a NASA medical doctor explained how once past the Van Allen Belt, the Apollo astronauts knew they'd be killed if hit with a direct blast of solar flares. But, they were Cold War warriors all willing to die for fame, glory, money, and/or patriotism. Most had flown combat missions in WW2 or Korea. How by 2019, NASA still had no radiation shielding technology with current rocket launch weight capability to dream yet of sending any astronauts as far as Mars and how even sending humans to the Moon was still a very lethal gamble.
Watch the conference after Apollo 11 and see TONS of body language from the astronauts indicating they were lying. They also look dejected, not like national heroes that just went to the moon and back. Two of those three rarely wanted to talk about the trip to the moon afterwards.
Thanks, that is an accurate and realistic account. And speaking of Mars, the following book gives a realistic blueprint for getting to Mars much the same way Columbus got to the Americas, on a one-way ticket with no return if safe harbor is not found. This in comparison to NASA's grotesquely expensive plans for Mars that would literally bankrupt the country. Meanwhile, in Boca Chica, Texas, Elon Musk’s SpaceX has created a shipyard that is building and testing the vessels that will take humans to Mars before this decade is out.
There aren't any photos of landing sites from orbiting spacecraft. In fact the US has BANNED any agencies, foreign or private, from going anywhere near the landing sites. And pictures we do have are pretty inconclusive.
I’m of that generation, and think what is the hardest to accept is that we were tricked into spreading government propaganda and lies to our eager children who loved learning about everything to do with space exploration.
I was always bored by the subject because it was so remote and had nothing to do with our actual real lives. Ha! Truly, more than I realized.
So my kids did not get into it like some of their peers. Maybe it is some of the children who were inspired to become scientists who are now realizing the impossibility of those stories being true?
Look, I've been following this thread and what Neil said is not "off-putting" or demeaning. It was a simple observation. The difference is even more so today as the quality of education has fallen to abysmal lows. Those who can handle the mathematics required for the hard sciences are indeed the "smart kids". The psyops has gotten us to the point where we are willing to believe everything was phoney. I see no reason to believe the moon landings did not occur but even if that is true, that is not what is important. Yeah, I know JFK's death was a CIA assassination and 9/11 was a DoD gov't plot to install a surveillance state and perpetuate endless wars. That doesn't in and of itself mean everything else was fake. What is important is realizing who the enemy is that is trying to destroy us as an American culture. We have to keep our head screwed on correctly about what this war is and who we are up against.
I infer from your comment that somehow you always had a grounding sense despite what was going on around you. Usually people like us were not part of the cool crowd.
I’m almost there. Just remembering the crappy typewriter I used to type manuscripts for chemistry professors at my first job at U of I. Every scientific symbol required me to take a key out and insert another one. Whole page size formulas. White out and literally cutting and pasting. A copy machine the size of a small room. A computer on the Quad the size of a building. And we went to the moon the next year?🤣🤣🤣🤣. Don’t think so.
Yup. Van Allen radiation belts, vertical landings on the moon, and the rendezvous after taking off from the moon would all have been crazy hard challenges. But NASA somehow tackled them in just a few years time. And we're six years into the Artemis program now and haven't even sent people around the moon yet.
He or she makes a good point. It was a strategic uplifting and defining life moment for that generation which was at most a very young adult in 1969. Hard to shake is all.
I guess it helps for some people, I don’t know. I disagree with what you said too. I guess you’re not old enough to realize that there are so many things that are painful for us to accept as we get older, but we all manage to roll with the punches.
It's getting harder to hide, the longer the delays in going "back" to the moon. Occasionally someone slips and says "We have a lot to learn..." and of course the official policy is to just ignore those statements.
They'll just lower the standards so the kids look smarter. They are already trying to eliminate math in public schools. Considering how poorly they are teaching math, they might as well. I urge you to find alternatives to the public schools.
Exactly. Look how they measured relative achievement between the groups: GPA!
As if the teachers in this pilot program wouldn't be incentivized to give higher grades. The only kind of comparison that would make sense would be to compare standardized test scores, but something tell me that those tests are intractably 'white' (even though non-white Asians do far better on them than whites, as a cohort).
LOL. I actually use mine daily because I don’t trust my math dyslexic self. Mostly in my check register. Yes... still keep one. My brain needs to write things down.
I took a test to become a pharmacy tech in the last year. The test administrator said I could have a calculator. I said no, I want paper and pencil. He was shocked.
Although it may sound funny to those of us above the age of 50 or som that is exactly the reasoning being used to justify just not trying and that goes for students as well as adults. I try to remind folks that training the brain to be an effective tool is an aeons old practice that at one point was even an arcane practice and heavily guarded secret. To no avail though, the dumbing down agenda is up and running strong. Tough to counter....
BTW, segregation has been going on in schools for years. That is what is behind the latest push to eliminate AP, college ready, etc type classes in high schools. Most of the kids in those classes are white or Asian. Years ago, pre-pandemic, they did a story about it on our local news in regards to a local high school. There was one black girl in AP classes. She said she had no friends because she didn't fit in with the whites/Asians in her classes and her black friends told her she was acting too white by being in those classes and wouldn't have anything to do with her. At that particular school, they literally have 2 separate buildings on the same campus. One building handles all the AP/college ready type classes and the other building handles everyone else. I guarantee one building is mostly white/Asian and the other mostly not.
The idea of black teachers being better at teaching black children stems from black hatred of whites. My job was to raise test scores in a large predominately black school in Portland, Oregon! I found many of the black teachers disrespected me and totally ignored my advice. But the scores were dramatically raised by fun and creativity and genuine caring for each and every child.
One first year, first grade teacher allowed his students to write their names on their math papers in crayon. So, what is thebig deal? The control of a crayon is different than a pencil. Just saying little things count. This teacher could not understand a finer point in creating excellence.
Until we get rid of racism coming from both directions, we will just be going in circles! Oh, the stories I could tell!
I never was very good at cursive. We were graded on writing in early grades, and it was the only subject in which I could not get an A. Decades later, people see my writing and ask how a woman's handwriting can be as bad as many men's. I never understood how my teachers could read my exam bluebooks.
Cursive takes practice. Lots of it. I used to listen to the radio and just write words that they said. Sometimes sentences, sometimes just individual words. It worked. My cursive improved a ton.
Not that that means anything today. Nobody can read it now.
Jeff, I certainly appreciate the information about the fake US moon landing. I only came to the truth on that in the past few years as I began research on the lies our government had told us about Covid, the poisonous vaccines (and the Covid vax wasn’t the first time they knew of the dangers and still pushed their poison), corruption of big pharma and those lies led me to look into JFK’s assassination. Now add to the list the lies about the moon landing and 9/11. I’m ashamed and embarrassed at what our government has become. I remember when my dad told me as a little girl that integrity is everything and when you get caught lying about one little thing your credibility on everything is greatly compromised. Too bad our government has lost all credibility. Thank you Jeff for exposing it all! I appreciate you!
What if the tapes were "lost" because they prove that the tapes are fake which would lead everyone to conclude that we didn't land on the moon. But we DID land on the moon, we just can't prove it reliably.
If you ever followed professional photographer Jack White you’ll know multiple NASA moon photographs are undeniably fake. That doesn’t, however, mean the missions were fake. It’s a fascinating story, especially when you understand how Walt Disney and Stanley Kubrick were involved and what Werner Von Braun learned about the first ever satellite launch but told few.
I will leave you with this. In what other scientific field in the history of the world has a staggering technological advance been made but then the technology goes backwards? In other words, how could we have gone to the moon decades ago but now can’t? Or can we go there and much farther but the program went dark? Or perhaps is NASA’s only purpose to hide the proof of God?
Yup. The camera was mounted on the astronaut's chest with no viewfinder. Exposure (f-stop and shutter speed) and focus needed to be set manually as it wasn't automatic back then. The astronaut needed to do this while wearing bulky gloves in a harsh environment. Yet the photos are spectacular, perfectly framed, focused, and exposed, rivalling those of a professional photographer.
And that just addresses the technical aspects of photography. On top of that there are all sorts of inconstancies regarding shadow direction (indicating multiple light sources) and well lit subjects in shaded areas that should have been in near total darkness. NASA has never explained how any of this was possible.
Best case explanation is that the moon landings did happen but NASA generated a bunch of faked, staged photos for propaganda purposes. However, there's huge amounts of evidence the landings themselves were faked.
Every once in a while you can see a star in the darkness. The real reason is that the moon is so bright from the unattenuated UV light from the sun that it washes out the dark sky. With the right settings on the camera, they potentially could have looked at the sky and seen some stars but everything else would have been way overexposed.
I think they realized they didn't have the means to fake the stars, so they just made up the excuse the sunlight is so dang bright there it washes out the starlight. The Earth too, apparently disappears. Some great Earth pics were supposedly taken while they were traveling to the Moon or orbiting it. but none while they were on the Moon.
The "Why Files" youtube channel has a pretty good episode on this. The first half nearly had me convinced it was fake. The second half had me convinced most of the 'evidence' for it being a fake (photo analysis, Kubrick) is a bunch of baloney.
I don’t pretend to know the answers, I just find it a fascinating topic. Did you know Buzz Aldrin (a 32 degree Freemason) took a Mason’s flag to the moon and then presented it to the Scottish Rite headquarters in DC? Or that NASA is dominated by secret brotherhoods? Or that we learned about anti gravity during the first satellite launch? Or that NASA is a military agency under the DoD and was founded by Nazi’s brought over from Germany after WWII?
My husband spent some time w Buzz Aldrin at his home about 10-12 years ago and they spent a good deal of time talking about space stuff. I’ll have to ask his thoughts on if the landing occurred. I hadn’t thought much of it but several commenters have made some very valid points.
Geez, you make it sound like ancient history lol. When I was in middle school in Huntsville AL, my dad was an engineer who worked for Warner von Braun on the Saturn rocket motors used for the moon launch missions. They literally had a blank check from Pres Kennedy and Congress. They spared no expense. They would test the motors there in Huntsville before shipping them to LA for more testing. They would literally rock the whole town.
What I find amusing is that no matter where you go on the internets, there are always people(?) that pop up every single time the moon landing subject is brought up in a skeptical light ready to defend it to the last. In a way they are the original copers and spin bots, because they have been at it since the damn of the internet and the lateral flow of information. Kudos to you Real Men(?) of Genius, keeping the ToothFairy I mean MoonLanding alive and well through all these years!!
I agree 100% but not everyone sees and hears as we do. What if NASA was hiding hard evidence of the existence of God. Imagine the impact that would have on the world, if true.
There is hard evidence all the time around us... it is whether we chose to believe. We each have our own walk with God. God would not let NASA or anyone else decide it.
Haha. According to NASA consultant and CBS News advisor Richard Hoagland, author of Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA, it was anti gravity. It may have been from our first rocket to circumnavigate the globe, not satellite. I’ll have to get my books out. Lol
The Artemis program started in 2017. Last year we finally got Artemis 1 off the ground. It was unmanned. Artemis 2, where people go around the moon, is officially scheduled for next year, but nobody believes that will happen on time.
What a childish comment. Your response is almost as pathetic as NASA’s. When NASA was asked why they haven’t gone back they said they lost the technology. If they took your advice they’d say we could any time, we just choose not to.😂😂 But go ahead and put your trust in your government. They would never lie to you.
I have been reading about the Rosenwald schools 5000 schools largely in the segregated South built in a partnership between Julius Rosenwald who unlike today’s filthy rich philanthropists did NOT want his name on anything and Booker T Washington. Rosenwald contributed half the cost of these 2 room schools built from the ground up by people of the communities they served. The communities contributed cash or building materials or sweat equity. They mostly closed after the Brown versus the Board of Education. There are a handful left restored and serving as community centers. It is an amazing story of a pre civil rights movement partnership between Booker T Washington and a totally unsung American hero the first chairman of Sears. AND like most PRE Great Society schools the kids got a REAL EDUCATION.
How about we just point one of those fancy telescopes that can see billions of miles into space at the moon and snap a few pictures of the stuff we left behind? Personally, with AI these days I will believe nothing that I see or hear unless it is with my own lying eyes so, probably a waste of resources.
So I am not an “expert” in education, just a mother, grandmother, and lifelong student myself. I have thought a lot about education watching my granddaughter go through lockdowns in Los Angeles public schools, catch up, and the catastrophic gap that occurred among students who didn’t join “pods” or engage tutors. In other words, poor people who worked two jobs and expected the schools to do the educating. So… I think everyone would learn better if we went back to rote learning. The only way to learn the multiplication tables is to drill it into your head—repeat them until you nail them down. Well, they don’t do that in school anymore. School is REALLY hard without repetition and memorization. Kids start long division without having mastered multiplication are lost. At one time we all sat in classrooms (rich, poor, etc.) and quietly filled out sheets of practice, practice.
Very few kids didn’t learn. Let’s go back to learning through repetition.
And phonics, that is how to learn to read. I went to a private school when very young, my college aged brother to public. I was taught to read with phonics. I helped him with his spelling!
Yup I agree with phonics. This method where kids are told to just write without worrying about spelling is s disaster.
All you have to do is read comments from FB posts to know that our country’s educational system has failed our young skulls full of mush! 😰 It triggers the Spelling & Grammar Nazi in me. 🤦🏽♀️
There should be more teachers like the one I’m about to describe…
In my college English class (around 1988) we were handed back our graded essay papers. One student addressed the teacher saying she should have received a higher grade because her English major sister wrote it. The teacher replied she would correct the grade. The student was delighted. Taking out her red marker the teacher crossed out the offending grade and proceeded to put a big fat ZERO on the student’s paper. The student was no longer delighted. 😝
Lesson learned?
I also got ‘push back’ for correcting sentence structure, grammar, spelling on submitted papers. The students objected because ‘it was a Nutrition course, not English’. I told them the mistakes were distractions I could not ignore; they detracted from the validity of the content. Needless to say, my reviews reflected their displeasure.
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“Skulls full of mush”....As the late great Rush Limbaugh said years ago!! ❤️
Yep! I miss MahaRushie...
😞💔 Every. Single. Day.
My aunt used to call it "mush-for-brains". My cousin, who was 3 or 4 at the time, heard it as "mushroom brains" and that evolution from "skulls full of mush" has stuck with us!
Mrs. "the Knife"
Oh yes, for sure!! Drives me crazy.
Totally with you. It drives me crazy.
It’s almost like it’s on purpose to dumb down the next generation 🤔
And in my mother’s day, teachers were simply teachers and generally enjoyed high levels of respect in their communities but now they are “professional educators” and (with many fine exceptions) now promote union-backed Wokism.
Almost? Remember Bill Gate's big initiative to "fix" the public school system? That was really about figuring out the bottons to push to corrupt it more, bring in the race-based "woke" agenda in stealth before strong opposition mustered. The corrupt Establishment are pulling up the ladders of success and are delibrately attacking us. They fear competition.
He's the reason they introduced common core math, isn't he? I remember my neighbor's kids trying to figure that out. I was going to school for applied math and thought it was just about the dumbest thing I had ever seen. If you want to confuse kids, teach them multiplication with common core.
"Number families"?!? I dipped my toe into the new "math" for only a few minutes and came away less educated than when I started!
"Almost"?
you are close...to dumb down the next generation of non-elites, since elites send their kids to private schools...
Agreed that its a disaster. Its debilitating. The teachers are second-generation debilitated themselves. Colleges are just pumping them out. How many times have you happened across school notifications with spelling & grammatical errors? (& news reports!)
😉 I am certain every one of you caught those “its” instead of “it’s”...Just a little joke 🤗.
Don’t get mad. Teach. Speak softly and carry a fat marker so that when you have to drive by that nice neighbor’s “Please Drive Slow” sign, you can quietly add “ly”.
The incorrect use of "it's" when it's "its" is one of my biggest grammar pet peeves.
My biggest spelling peeve is when people write "loose" when they mean "lose". It's so bizarre to me that this error is so common. It's usually committed by intelligent people who really should know better, amidst writing that has otherwise fine spelling and grammar.
Yes, I have seen that, too! Ugh...
Another one for me is "comprised of." Oh, my God. Drives me crazy. A thousand years ago, I worked as a substitute teacher. One morning I was putting an announcement into the teachers' mailboxes. I read it, of course, and it had the words "comprised of." When one of the English teachers came into the room, I pointed it out to him in gentle exasperation. "It's like saying, 'included' of. Drives me crazy..." Then...I saw his face...and I hesitatingly said, "Oh...sorry...Is this yours? Did you write this announcement?"
He had indeed. The English teacher...Yikes...
Now, I realize "comprised of" has come into common usage, but it is 𝒕𝒆𝒄𝒉𝒏𝒊𝒄𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒚 incorrect. A university, for example, comprises multiple undergraduate schools, but it is definitely 𝒏𝒐𝒕 "comprised of" them. 😊
All of the confusion for similar looking or sounding words/homophones drives me crazy. Things like palate/pallet/palette. So many people have no clue about these.
Ugh I can’t stand that!!!
My pet peeve is the incorrect use of “then” and “than.” Also posting “I could care less” when it should be “I couldn’t care less.”
Oh, yes... people are LITERALLY saying the opposite of what they actually mean.
Amen. In fact, technically AND non-technically. :)
Yes, and recently joining it, legions of there's/theirs and you're/your have arrived. Aaiiee!
Truth. Nobody cares about there/their anymore.
Unless it's THEIR pronoun LOL....
I’ve noticed that our old friend (or nemesis!) Autocorrect will automatically use the apostrophe where it wasn’t wanted. It’s appears instead of its. We’re shows up uninvited when were was indicated. You have to constantly proofread. IT IS EXHAUSTING!
Is Autocorrect the reason why it appears that no one seems to know the correct usage of "apostrophe s"? This is my biggest pet peeve of all - plural vs. possessive! You cannot just slap 's on everything and expect your sentences to make sense!
In another life, I was an admin assistant for aerospace engineers. I was able to instantly discern if they had used Spellcheck as opposed to actually PROOFREADING their documents - to/too/two, there/their/they're, your/you're, then/than, etc., etc., etc. Argh!
And the inappropriate use of went when someone means gone!
I better stop now! 😬 🙄
Mrs. "the Knife"
Yes!!! I just commented the same thing!! Drives me crazy!!
There, they're and their. 👀
Also, when I was in English class we were taught that “snuck” was not a word. It’s sneak, sneaked, sneaked. But I suppose snuck has become acceptable as I see that word being used even among famous authors, journalists, and TV news casters.
X — I snuck into his house.
✔️ - I sneaked into his house.
Drug is another one. I drug it into the garage, instead of dragged.
Well then, since we are weighing in on pet peeves here, this is mine. "Woken", as in "She was woken in the night." Whatever happened to normal language such as "She awakened in the night."?
And they seem to almost *never* get "hanged" versus "hung" right.
Once heard someone say "glew" for glowed.
Kinda loved that one.
I always had the impression that "snuck" was a Britishism. (Whereas "drug", for dragged, is an Americanism.)
Past participles seem to be going the way of the dodo bird 🙁
Ugh yes!!!! Mine too!!
And I also hate when “autocorrect” changes the spelling to the wrong one! 🤬
My husband has such choice words for that very thing that I bet would make you howl, RL, but which, of course, I dare not share here. 😂
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I highly recommend listening to the podcast Sold a Story. It tells you everything you need to know about why many kids can't read at grade level today.
Thanks for sharing this. I'm half way through the podcasts already. They're excellent and eye-opening. Here's the link: https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/
I remember 20 years ago or so in a special education course I was taking to get licensed to teach high school (after teaching in college), hearing experienced teachers talk about what an utter disaster the "whole language program" was. I had never heard of it, but learned it was quite entrenched and all these teachers could do was try to supplement it around the edges or just do the best they could to help all the kids who never learned to read.
I taught Latin, Greek and some French, and was always frustrated by the fact that students in learning to read a new language were invariably told similar nonsense: not to look up new words but just guess "from context", to skim the text for the "gist", etc. Of course, the results were invariably students having no idea what the text said (unless they had access to a translation).
That was for students who could already read well. I can only imagine how damaging that technique is for young children trying to learn to read.
That's crazy to not look up words. Back in my youth, I read Three Musketeers and the only way I got through it was with a dictionary at hand to look up all the words I didn't know.
My dad taught me how to use the dictionary. I would ask him how to spell a word, and he'd tell me to go look it up in the dictionary. So I learned a lot from that experience!
Thanks for the link!!
Evelyn Woods Speed Reading was a scam, but she made millions!!
My siblings and I were taught to read using the phonics system. We were all reading at the college level while we were still in grade school. Fast forward 10 years or so, and the little girl I was watching was having trouble with a homework assignment. I was trying to help her sound out the words, but she kept saying, "We don't do it that way. My teacher says 'To Guess and Go On'"! I couldn't believe that was considered a valid way to teach reading!
At the risk of sounding like an old fuddy-duddy, from 3rd grade on, we had 20 vocabulary words every week. We had to take the vocab words, write them out, add the dictionary definition(s) and part of speech, and write a sentence using the word. At the end of the week we had a spelling test. We received 3 grades off that one vocab list: Spelling, Vocabulary, and Penmanship.
Mrs. "the Knife"
Others have recommended that to me. I need to find it!
Totally agree. When my now 31 y/o son was in first grade, I asked his teacher exactly "when"the students would be taught to spell the words correctly. She replied that we shouldn't pressure them... As a result, he initially struggled with reading. He did not know how to "sound out" the words. Ridiculous! That's how I learned and my parents before me.
I had the same experience with my 34 yo son. He was in the third grade Gifted and Talented program and his score on the standardized test in spelling was atrocious. I questioned the teacher and she said "don't worry, we don't really emphasize spelling- he will eventually learn". He also was never taught cursive so his handwriting is like chicken scratch. And my 39 yo daughter never received ANY teaching of English grammar outside of my at -home instruction. I sent her younger siblings to extracurricular grammar classes during the summer because I realized that grammar was not in the curriculum in our public schools. Totally absurd!!
And yet your taxes for education continue to increase.
Get kids out of government indoctrination centers, promote school choice every chance you get.
And people criticize homeschoolers for the parents not having a teaching degree 🙄
Same experience here. My older children (now 40) got a much better education than their younger siblings. Things changed in the 90's.
Truth! My older kids got ‘whole language’ in public school and can’t spell to save their lives, while my youngest went to private school for a few years and learned phonics. The difference is marked.
I had a twenty something kid come by to sell a truck to me. When it came time to sign the title over,where it says “ sign here”, and then “ your name here”, they were both printed. I said you gotta sign your name, bud. He said that’s how I sign. I wasn’t taught cursive. This is a twenty year old in Florida. Grrrrr.
They text and type exclusively. Ignorance by design.
And “docusign” does it for them 🙄🙄🙄
All by design. Dumbing down kids.
Just what I said!! Planned demolition.
they don't learn how to write anymore, I know this from a former teacher, who had to teach her grandson to write when in fourth grade
As a Career Counselor I was tasked with proofreading resumes (remember those?). I emphasized that mistakes on a resume, that first impression, said two things about the applicant: you don’t know you made a mistake or you don’t care enough to correct it. Neither will help you get that job interview. Some got my point.
yes ! and in Europe we had to hand write them, no typing or god forbid, computer print outs. To my astonishment, when I came to the States, they wanted printed resumes. I thought that was a total no-no, because you can just download something, put your name and info on it, and done with it!
Definitely phonics. And take away their devices in school. My opinion, one of the greatest problems with people is they learn to communicate via social media, and it's straight up awful. They know nothing!
Phonics, critical thinking, go back to the old school of teaching certain skills, get rid of the common core BS! Just the basics, reading, writing, math, etc.
But that is what made our generation great, and you know "they" don't want that. They are deliberately dumbing down our kids and grandkids.
“Write” is a bit of a misnomer. No one really writes - a least cursive - anymore. The standard of putting language to paper these days seems to be connecting a series of printed letters using an occasional swoop or swirl.
Or emogi.
It wasn't called "phonics" when I was learning, but simply "sounding it out". We were taught a few basics about the sounds that different letters make, and the rest was lots of practice with lots of different words and reading aloud. By the time my youngest siblings were learning, it was "phonics", lots of rules to memorize, and even a phonics workbook. I loved learning to read, with lots of classroom practice. They hated it, but they did learn it. Maybe it was the teacher who made the difference.
My daughter was born in 1970 and by 1975 when she was kindergarten age I already knew phonics was "out" and word recognition was "in". We taught her to read using phonics at 4 and by 1st grade she was a really good reader and could read just about anything. I remember seeing a kid look at a picture of a horse, and the word "horse" was written under it, and the kid read the word as "pony". As Tyrus would say, " 'Nuff Said". When my son was born in 1986, phonics still didn't seem to be back and we taught him to read early as well.
Or as lasd tried to push - ebonics.
What about the hundreds of words, which are not spelled phonetically?
I think it’s a cruel joke that phonics is spelled phonics. That should say pahonicks.
I know, but that’s funny! I grew up outside of Shecawgo.
Fonicks or fonix
You also teach the rules that apply to words and word sounds. I taught my kids very familiar exceptions first, to get those out of the way as I thought these might otherwise be confusing: one, two, iron, etc. Then had fun with homophones and made up funny sayings & I’d write them: “I have two tutus to take to Tutu” (their Hawaiian grandma). “Oh! I have two tutus to take to Tutu too!”
I don’t know how much it helped, but it was great fun. They learned formal phonics and grammar at their school and later, formal logic and latin. I’m a product of 1950s Cal public schools, which were excellent. I hit the revolution, though, head on in the late sixties, when order, logic, and reason were thrown to the wind. All became systematic confusion and experimentation. I got my autodidactic degree in the school of hard knocks! What a ride!
Well, much later, our Good and Gracious Triune God restored to me that order, logic, and reason and so much more! I thank Him every day.
Blessings!
I know what you mean. I eventually decided that there are some words that just have to be memorized.
Learned properly, those who understand phonics can decode 98% of the English language. Myth #1 addresses your concern.
https://store.logicofenglish.com/blogs/the-red-breve/five-myths
Given the current state of affairs, anything is better than what is currently being offered in the majority of schools.
https://www.logicofenglish.com/about/literacy-crisis/
Phonics doesn't work for every kid. Mum of 2 sight readers here!
https://open.spotify.com/show/0tcUMXBFMGMe8w79MM5QCI?si=r23kR8RPQDaVC9oGi_1cWg&utm_source=copy-link a listen...
how does phonics work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObkJNstaog8
I've always loved Gallagher. THAT'S the way my brain works, too! LOL!
You're exactly right! As a retired educator memorizing math facts is crucial.
I moved a lot as a child, not only different schools, but states as well. I struggled with math and I didn’t learn my times tables past 6. I also missed out on the “order of operations” in algebra. It wasn’t until I took a bonehead math class at 35 that I “discovered” the missing part. I had testing at my local college because of being on the math struggle bus. They said I had some learning disabilities regarding math. I wonder if I would have them if we hadn’t moved 11 times?
Every Friday (if we had behaved that week) my fourth grade teacher good ol’ Mr. Anderson, would separate the classroom into two teams and we would have a contest with flash cards on which team could answer first our Times Tables. You bet we learned them through pure repetition. I still know them all at 62 🤣 We even challenged the higher grades up to the 8th graders and beat them all. Now days they’d worry too much about hurting students feelings 😵💫
5th and 6th grade in my elementary school every Friday we did flash cards around the room with fairly easy math problems. You moved around the room and when someone seated answered first you took their seat - I loved math and would sometimes get all around the room. In hindsight I’m sure there were those who struggled ……don’t remember anyone crying or complaining tho 😂
"Around The World" I was my country school's fourth grade champion. lots of fun.
I went back to college after retiring from the military.
I would make flash cards of the different paintings of artists for one of my Art History classes. Had a young guy sitting next to me in class who said, "I don't need to make an 'A" that bad.
What a strange remark from your classmate. Clearly not someone who loves learning OR art.
The weird part was that he was an art major and supposedly some kind of super star studying/doing sculpture.
We had math races too. Our class raced the other 3rd grade class and if we won every heat, our class got ice cream. It only happened once.
Either we were pretty evenly matched or our teachers cheated so they didn’t have to mess with ice cream. Either way, we put our heart into those races!
I still know them, too - age 60!!
I preached on the subject of the importance in stability many times in my career in education. To deaf ears and ‘who cares’ looks.
It was common to pull a black middle school student’s file and see that in 8 years of school attendance (preschool and kindergarten included), they had been enrolled in 6-10 different schools. I’m serious. Most in Jacksonville, which has a very large number of schools. Often in the files there would be disciplinary notes that explained a desire to leave. I wanted to cry on a daily basis for the eight years I was there.
Students are as good as the family they come from. That is the root cause of society's ills. To expect a public school to repair the damage done in the home is ludicrous.
I agree.
Yep. They do not address the issues. The child they supposedly want to help gets shunted around and never learns to fit in, behave and learn. By 16 you have a young person who cannot function in society except in gang banger society.
That was it! Glad you filled those holes. Humbling but elating at that age. Teachers need to be alert to those holes, or gaps, bc everything after that is predicated on & builds on what was learned before.
I liken it also to a cruising ship — a kid falls overboard & a speedboat must be sent out immediately to find where he’s at & bring him back on board. Quickly, before he gets too far behind and drowns.
If the teachers can’t do it, there should be parent volunteers or other students to assess and analyze at every step & help ‘em get back to speed. Sometimes as simple as to require correcting work when handed back & reviewing the lesson, if necessary. It’s great to see the struggler’s light bulb go on! But the work must be done daily and mastered.
Where would we find those real Teachers today? They are a rare breed. The teachers are as immature as their students.
Teachers are as bad as the teacher colleges and assorted system that produces them. Teachers are no longer actually allowed to teach, create their own lesson plans. "Presenters" is a better term for them.
I call them Classroom Managers now. To be called "Teacher" one must actually teach to their children not manage them. And likewise, there should be students who are heard, not handled when they don't understand a segment in the curriculum.
Renee, this is why a lot of military families homeschool.
Interesting. My Mother, who was a Narcissist, said to me one time while I was complaining about moving so much, “Well those military kids seem to like it.” She attended the same Catholic school 1-8 and a public HS back when they were actually taught. She was shocked to find out I didn’t know my times tables. 🙄
It could have been a generational effect, with poorer teaching in later decades ('thanks,' 'teaching colleges' and teachers' unions), or even, as in my case, a single poor teacher in a critical year. I was in one college-prep (by upper-middle-class district) government school system my entire 1-12 educational career, and yet my father is who taught me both my times tables and basic grammar, my government school having failed me on both counts. I am so thankful that he paid attention, just by asking me a few questions at home ("tell me what the answer to this is," e.g.)
Yes, the importance of fathers (and mothers) in the home. "Kids whose dads actively engage with them may do better at school, new research suggests." . . ."Research led by the University of Leeds has found that children do better at primary school if their fathers regularly spend time with them on interactive engagement activities like reading, playing, telling stories, drawing and singing." https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/26/dads-have-a-unique-effect-on-kids-attainment-heres-how.html
We memorized the times table thru 12 X 12.
I have been called a brilliant writer by teachers and college professors, and have gone on to professional independent book editing, however, my mind could not wrap around math past first semester 10th grade algebra. Infact, I chose my college because it did not have a freshman math requirement.
It was a real struggle.
My son, although a tad better, also had the same high writing/ English skills and math struggles. It happens. Similarly, many mathematics geniuses cannot write well at all.
🎯🎯🎯 and so many have no COMMON SENSE!!! 😩😩😩
I never moved and had a terrible time with math. My dad, a jr high principal and former math teacher, would try to help me and I’d just cry...in 7th grade, they decided to make our math class “self-directed”. You advanced at your own pace. BAD IDEA! My progress was slower than a snail’s pace...🐌🐌🐌
Math is often (for most intellectual levels--there are obviously incredibly bright kids and highly math skilled ones too) a brain-age thing until we get to a certain "age" (which may be different for all of us). This is exacerbated by not learning the "basics" like times tables etc. (which wasn't my problem) but I found that I didn't do well with algebra my freshman year of high school which made me opt out of harder maths later on. I regretted it when I finally went to college at 23 because I basically had to start over with pre-algebra and get thru calculus for pharmacy school. What I found so frustrating when I was 14 was an absolute joy at 23 (for me) but then, I was paying for it, wanted that degree (so needed the A to qualify--esp with the math needed for all the up-coming chemistry). I was a young high schooler (graduated at 17) and have learned from others that math generally comes easier as we get a little more mature and can wrap our minds around "unknown" concepts. Plus those *stupid* math questions on all those *stupid* Iowa Basic skills tests. Who wouldn't hate math after those???
I went back to school at 35. While Algebra “clicked” after I learned the order of operations...the rest was hard. I didn’t go past the bonehead math class. I struggled with the x over y concept and square roots. My brain feels like that egg hitting the pan in that old anti-drug commercial. Sizzle. 🫤😑 I did like the geometry part though. And I’m a hairstylist so maybe that’s why!
My husband is an engineer and he hated algebra. He absolutely loved geometry. He said algebra was so ‘abstract’ while geometry is ‘REAL’. While he, at times, had to use algebraic equations, Geometry is based in reality. So, you are not alone. And honestly, algebra doesn’t make a lot of sense at times, where Geometry is solid, common sense. And I would rather have common sense than to be esoteric.
LOL! We must be twins separated at birth! That is exactly how my brain feels when I even think about math and any other subject that stretches my knowledge base. And the geometry thing? I took it (AND chemistry) as a SENIOR and actually enjoyed it very much. It wasn’t abstract...
Indeed, math and other analytical skills need a brain old enough to grasp each new concept. For example most kids can't do analytical writing until through puberty. And, going through puberty means kids often have wildly different mental abilities. One day behaving like toddlers, the next day like adults, and the third day back to toddlers. That is a big reason why there is the 6/7/8th grade split for junior and 9-12th for regular high school.
I was almost an entire year too young for my grade level. During 8th grade I struggled badly with algebra until the spring term. Senior year high school calculus was a horror show until about 2 weeks before the late Spring AP exam. Nailed it. My very old and highly tenured math teacher who taught the only calculus class exclaimed to me angrily when she saw my great AP score why had I not "worked harder" for her during the school year. She practically accused me of cheating. She had already tried hard to discourage me from taking the AP exam afraid I'd ruin her "record." Not once during the school year did she offer to help me as an individual. Just stood at her blackboard or sat behind her desk with a one size-fits-all teaching style.
In college I struggled with physics - dropping it twice - until I got a great and very old professor - not a teaching assistant! - who offered to go over the weekly problem sets with us in a small group after each set was graded. From a class of over 130, less than 12 of us met weekly with the professor who went over and over each problem, usually a 45-60 minute session until each of us fully understood every solution. We all aced our exams.
Good teachers treat each student as individuals with different rates of learning. Bad ones think of their students as robot cogs with pre-set, in fact prejudiced!, expectations.
Gosh! Almost forgot about physics!! I LOVED physics in college but will admit to struggling and then actually dreaming about it (after studying for hours) in order to grasp certain concepts--I'd wake up and think (no kidding) EUREKA!! I did have a pretty good physics prof though who really enjoyed teaching students who *wanted* to understand. And my 24 year old brain did just fine with calculus--I remember actually being irate that it was so easy because it made the math all line up so much better for me-- a short cut to the answer--but I was one of those students who could often find the answer without doing all the complicated work---but did the work anyway because it was required. (which is probably why I understood the calculus). Meh. I'm no genius but no dummy. I'll always be inferior to my brother who breezed thru post-grad physics and designs his own stuff at (redacted large semi-conductor business) so....in my mind I'm the dumb one. LOL!!!
Your experience sounds very familiar (algebra was anathema to me!) and all my friends who were taking Calculus and Physics spoke a language I couldn’t understand. I did take 4 years of French, though...LOL! And when I transitioned into Community College, I had to take a remedial math class...O, the shame. I was doomed.
I can relate! I did terrible in Math could just handle the basics. I took the general math in HS whichever qualified to graduate. I did accounting because it was easier for me. When I got to college I was NOT prepared for college Algebra. I don’t think I ever passed it.
Long story ended up working administrative, bookkeeping and back office operations for commodity broker and financial advisor learned a heck of a lot more in the workforce than I ever did from public HS. My brain had developed, because you can relate it to real life and then figure things out.
Sadly, the education system puts everyone in one box to learn. We are NOT made that way we each are uniquely and wonderfully made.
I have witnessed the same thing with my children by waitressing, working retirement retail and handling money. We need to emphasize employment jobs teach skills that will get them to use their brains and develop such a self worth learning how to provide.
The education system has been on a constant decline for several decades. My daughter’s see it.
Sometimes math teachers can’t understand where the difficulty lies. Another student’s explanation can turn the trick. I’m sorry that happened. Math is just really hard for many people. But there are many routes to learning it — people have varying kinds of circuitry. ...Not a fan of our entrenched factory school institutions anyway. Home school, cooperatives, or some variation of the one-room schoolhouse are the best, in my opinion. Small-scale and not segregated into student birth year in a massive institution.
In fifth grade I got hit with the disastrous “new math.” They took away the math book I was using, and doing fine with, and gave us all the new one. From that day forward I struggled with math. My engineer father couldn’t even help me. I excelled in all other subjects, so they put me in “high math” in sixth grade, which was torture, because all the other students in there were getting it just fine. The new math experiment eventually was replaced with worse things. My teacher friend always is obsessing over more “new” ways to teach math. None of them seem to work. I went on to get an English Degree but have a vague consciousness of a whole life I missed out on, because I would have gone into science had the math not been an obstacle that I was never able to surmount.
Ahhhh, yes...the “new math”. My dad had the same reaction as yours did. We were doomed from the start!
We must be the same age! That’s what we did in 7th grade as well. We had individual race cars going around a track for our “self directed” progress. lol. Mine barely made it past the first turn.
😩😩😩 I’ll be 64 next month, should have graduated in 1978 but could read before I was even in pre-school (3 1/2) so they kicked me up to 1st grade from kindergarten after the Christmas break. I should have stayed in Kindergarten--I had trouble finishing my assignments and may have been a little ADD...but I sure could read well! I ruefully admit that getting moved up to 1st grade was my only academic achievement. 🙄
I’ll be 65 in February. I read Little Women in 3rd grade and can read 400 + wpm. I love learning, but hate writing papers and taking tests…although I’m generally a good test taker. I also tested for GATE in 2nd grade. My Mom said she took me to the new school but I cried when we got there and she didn’t make me go. I totally don’t remember it.
PS--I totally feel you on that (the lack of progress). My former math teacher dad would just shake his head.
Yep. I got lost in long division, mostly because I didn’t know my times tables. I was math phobic from then on and suffered terribly for it (Thank God I was an avid and very good reader and writer!)
At 62 years old, I finally see the joy in the times tables. I guess an old dog CAN learn new tricks!
I missed 3 weeks of first grade in 1967. We flew to California and because I was "advanced" (they'd discussed skipping 1st grade altogether), my parents didn't think it would have any effect. TO THIS DAY, I have trouble adding 7s, 8s and 9s AND the difference between right and left. I CAN add those numbers but it takes more mental power. I do know right and left, but if I'm pressed for directions in a tense situation, say in a car...I just point. 🤷♀️
Meee tooo! I thought it was just me! I frequently point to the left and say right and vice versa. In HS in Drivers Ed Mr.Terry wrote an L in one hand and an R on the other because I would get confused as to which was which.
Well, you make ME feel better, too! 😍
I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread...makes me appreciate what we all went through as children of the late 50’s & early 60’s...God bless us, EVERY ONE!! (Apostrophes courtesy of Autocorrect! 😝😝😝)
I can assure you Renee, it is not you. We struggled just in our state to have a state wide math curriculum so that students moving from town to town would have a consistent math program in each school. Of course that never happened. In fact while in middle school my daughter spoke at a PTA meeting revealing since first grade the math program was changed three times. There is always a new "program" that is sold to districts, but rarely do we question whether any one is better than how basic math was taught in the past.
Now multiply that by three states and 11 different schools! 😵💫😵💫😵💫 I think my love of reading saved me.
And if you can't, you can't. There are other ways to find answers to your problems and ASKING for help is a virtue. Not everyone is good at everything but there's a place for everyone's talents. "Gov funded" school was created for slaves. Education is created for those who fear God. There's NO EASIER time in all history to be able to EDUCATE anyone.
My question is what is the curriculum in these voluntary black schools? They won’t let anyone in to meetings. What indoctrination will be taught?
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Unfortunately it will improve the students progress in the schools with less black minority population and then the experiment of separate but equal will fail. The administration will try to spin it as white privilege or toxic masculinity etc. Blah blah blah blah.
They'll learn to be stuck on the system and more about white privilege!
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It was the only way I got through math and plane geometry plus chemistry. 😉
Are you aware that preschool teachers in some states are not allowed to teach the alphabet or alphabet sounds yet they are expected to have these 4 year olds reading by the end of the school year? And no praising or asking them to stop doing something that is wrong allowed. Also no rote learning allowed like counting, the ABC’s and do not teach an alphabet song or read an alphabet book if you do you as the teacher gets reamed a big one.
Then there is cursive writing, don’t even get me started on that one. Just think what are all the old documents written in, from marriages, births, deaths, etc to our founding documents. Then ask how one reads them without knowing cursive.
No alphabet or sounds? No praising or correcting? That's not teaching; that's just babysitting.
Then spend 2 years subjecting those children to masks. Good job in really screwing them up. This entire subject gets me mad.
That’s poor babysitting at it’s best!!
This stuff is why decent teachers or potential teachers have fled the field.
Agree 💯 who wants to go along with state sanctioned child abuse?
Hilarious yet sad: one of the stores in my chain hired someone for the pharmacy who could not read cursive. She could not read the prescriptions that came over. Sigh.
gender-affirming and exploratory education; State-sponsored and subsidized pre-K to get them primed for the Slave State and elder-massacre policy of the future
What is the rationale for these stupid policies?
A friend of mine told me her grandchildren have to ask their parents to "translate" if she send them a card or note written in cursive. It might as well be another language because they can't read cursive!
Which states?
The old but very apropos cliche is "practice makes perfect." There are others too, like "if you don't succeed, try, try again." In fact, there should be a return to that old fashioned idea (I know it's a pesky one) that students should actually work from books...not photocopies of excerpts.
Our children have been mightily blessed that each year the Lord provides them another year in private school. Sure their bags are heavy but they bring home their textbooks for homework.
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Retired educator here. Could not agree with you more. Rote learning, memorized multiplication tables, grammar, civics, history and logic would benefit the electorate immensely. And sending the kids to school ready to sit down, shut up and show respect for others.
Your last sentence should be the FIRST THING our young folks should know before they even step foot into a classroom. But nobody seems to want to teach that to their kids.
Well, unfortunately our education system was derived from a need to teach folks how to show up every day, sit still for 6-8 hours, respond to a bell (do your next task kiddies), and learn how to read just enough so that you can follow simple directions and do what you are told. (It was also a great way to get more folks to read the paper so as to know what the government wants you to know so as to do as you're told.) All this education was great until they decided to sell kids who really didn't need one a college education (taking out a loan they will never be able to afford). This is how we got into this whole student loan mess, by making them all believe they must go when really only about 30-40% needed to go as they had a plan (worthwhile degree) and the means/work ethic to go about it.
‘I don’t want a nation of thinkers. I want a nation of workers.’ ~John D. Rockefeller. Rockefeller established and funded the General Board of Education in 1902.
Here is a quote by Frederick T. Gates, one of the members of the General Education Board :
“In our dream, we have limitless resources and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hand. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have an ample supply…The task we set before ourselves is very simple as well as a very beautiful one, to train these people as we find them to a perfectly ideal life just where they are… ”
“Retired educator here. Could not agree with you more. Rote learning, memorized multiplication tables, grammar, civics, history and logic would benefit the electorate immensely. And sending the kids to school ready to sit down, shut up and show respect for others.“ 🌟🌟🌟🌟AMEN !!!
👆👆👆👆 There’s that last sentence that should be first!! 💥💥💥💥💥
Let's go back to 'no government in schools.' The easiest way to start is homeschooling and school choice state laws, so that funds follow the student to any reasonable educational setting, instead of only to government buildings and bureaucracies.
"The first step in understanding the state of education today is to review how government came to be the dominant force behind schooling in the United States. From the outset of the first settlements in the New World, Americans founded and successfully maintained a decentralized network of schools through the 1850s. Then, beginning in New England, a wave of change swept across the country, which soon saw states quickly abandoning the original American model of decentralized, private education in favor of government-funded and operated schools.
"This movement not only altered the direction and control of elementary and secondary education in the United States, but it also contradicted many of the principles Americans had fought for less than a century earlier:
- A country founded in opposition to central governmental authority allowed for bureaucratic management of its schools.
- A country synonymous with "free enterprise" and distrust of legally protected monopolies built a government monopoly in schooling.
- A country that stretched the exercise of individual choice to its practical limits in nearly every sphere of life severely limited the exercise of choice in schooling, assigning the responsibility for education to the discretion of government authorities.
'The system of K-12 government schooling that exists to this day clashes with the political, economic, social, and cultural traditions of the United States to an extent unparalleled by any other institution in American society."
https://www.mackinac.org/3249
The teachers' unions have had a lot to do with the decline of the public school system.
CH, 100%.
When public school teachers were allowed by the 1970's to strike it was game over. Watched in California as teachers used strikes to maximize their pay and reduce their accountabilities for getting results from their students. When our school boards ran out of cash the teachers struck for future benefits like gold plated pensions with COLAs. In the last 20+ years, they've demand PTAs raise cash to fund almost all the music and arts classes, and many of the science classes in grammar schools.
Sat once with the former Calif. teacher union's top negotiator lawyer at a banquet around 2005. He bragged how he got the same benefits as tenured teachers. How he got medical co-pays of just 10 cents for his dependent wife's cancer treatments, 2 pairs of new prescription glasses for each of them every year even if not needed to see but just for fancy cosmetics sunglasses. He laughed and laughed how he, exactly like a mafia don in my opinion, had shaken down taxpayers for decades.
A.J., wow, that's disgusting.
He actually cackled. That lawyer made his legal work contract with the Calif teachers union contingent on getting all the same benefits the teachers got plus his legal pay, too. He thought it was all a very clever game he had played to retire with a fat bank account and State taxpayers paid benefits. No shame whatsoever. He did not care at all that his cash and benefits were extorted under frequent teacher strike threats and had been taken away from helping students, maintaining school facilities, or paying teachers higher salaries. Fact those many lush government employee retirement funds are used by big investment banks to do reckless gambling with the biggest funds of all (public teacher retirement) and those are now woefully "underfunded" nationwide.... well, you can't fix greedy-stupid until they hit concrete walls of consequences.
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30 years in the educational system tells me you have it right. Several years ago my son was having to try and teach algebra to students at Valdosta State, who didn’t know their multiplication tables. Forget about long division. Fractions? No way.
Another thing that contributes to the unlearning curve is the sabotage of the metric system. Powers of TEN!!
I saw a meme the other day about teaching kids to use a ruler or tape measure to appreciate and understand fractions. Makes ya wonder about our construction industry...😰
Yeah, when kids come by my shop, they see machinery that is just beyond comprehension to them. How will they, and their contemporaries survive, if all they know is how to click?
So many things that don’t bode well for the future.
Not to mention the service industries such as plumbers, electricians, auto mechanics or HVAC techs.
My husband had to teach basic writing to 'college students' there, too. And it's not just VSU; it's just about everywhere.
I know it’s everywhere. Once I had a middle school language impaired student insist on a calculator, when math was involved in our language trivia questions. I think it involved 7x7. He punched some keys, looked up and said, ‘440?’.
They don’t even know where the ballpark is located.
I’m not even sure there’s much actual teaching going on. Earlier this month public school teachers in Portland, Oregon ALL went on strike. Their demands:
—23% pay increase (well yes, prices have shot up enormously recently … we’re all seeing that)
—Better tools for discipline (yes again … at last! Crack down! Unless it means more safe spaces)
—Housing for students with no homes “so each student can get the best public school education possible.”
WHAT??
I’m reminded of the wonderful G.K. Chesterton quote, “The Progressive, generation after generation, ties himself up into new knots, and then roars and yells aloud to be untied.”
Wonder if they knew each other. My son was there from 2005 to 2017, I think.
My son was persecuted the last several years because of writing a letter in support of traditional marriage. The staff went full woke and they figured out how to get rid of him without being sued. It resulted in him getting actuarial certification and moving on to far greener pastures.
Maybe; my husband's last semester there was spring 2020. He had already decided to leave, but the silly distance-learning business made it a much easier transition.
Yep my husband teaches a college class and same thing. Fractions! What?
Flashcards helped when I was a kid.
These schools are too busy teaching kids they are bad if they are not a minority, and of course, which bathroom to pee in. I've told this story before, but our store hired a cashier who could not count to 40 in order to make change. Schools have become useless. No shop, no home ec, not learning to balance a checkbook (which means no ability to figure out how much money someone actually has and can spend), no math skills (it's "racist"), no writing skills. I would love to know what they DO learn. I see your point.
Get out of public schools. The entire system needs to crash and burn. Groomers and hucksters. Your kid would learn more cleaning the house. As for the crap of preparing them for college - well that's a joke too.
Yes to a degree. Teaching a kid 2+2=4 does zero good if they don't understand the fundamental concept of addition. Without that it's just a semi-useless fact.
As with everything else in life it's not black and white. Yet in this country it's always one extreme or the other, as it takes common sense and rational thought to synthesize the best from various methods. And as we've all seen, these are in extremely short supply.
I agree, Jeff. That's why when first learning basic math concepts, visuals and manipulatives make sense. It is analogous to learning how to decode words but not knowing the meaning of them. You may very well "know" 2+2 = 4, but not have a visual representation in your head. The problem we encountered was that while our schools really focused on concepts, they weren't good at THEN focusing on memorizing math facts or how to spell words. This is a both/and situation and not an either/or.
Agree! Interestingly, if you can teach just the tables by rote BEFORE ~age four, with no visual representation — nonsense, but familiar, syllables — they become automatic, all of them as automatic as 2+2=4. This stays with them so that when later paper calculations are made, no concepts get in the way (as they’ll soon begin to do). It doesn’t interfere with the manipulatives, visuals, or everyday math that’s everywhere — in the apple slices, measuring in baking and the cupcake pan itself —in the everyday is the grammar of physics, language and nature. Bicycle: bi-, meaning 2 wheels; tricycle: tri- meaning 3 wheels; cycles — circles, circular, going round & round. Leaves, trees, flowers. And spokes are amazing! Language, logic, math & physics everywhere.
The child’s amazing mind integrates all this, but is not slowed down on the paper later on, when using figures by the visuals, etc. With an older child, when memorizing tables, the concepts & visuals can make it harder and not transfer well to the paper.
I found that the rote memorizing of tables is easiest, by far, for them at that early age. They don’t have to know what they represent. And it greatly helps them later, not hindering them in the least. Parents need to understand how play is always learning for young children. One on one with them (and no TV or computers!) and plenty of fresh air, books and family. How they love to memorize! How they love to learn.
...Read them Great BOOKS! Even well after they learn to read!
Just my 2¢
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I agree and add my 2 cents which gives us 4/5 of a nickel.
Bravo Oma! I see you’re never one to let a teachable moment go to waste!
Blessings!
The Classical form of education recognizes the three stages of learning: grammar, dialectic, and rhetoric. Younger children are sponges, and can memorize all kinds of facts. Math, phonics, history, etc. In the middle grades, they begin synthesizing the facts (dialectic): Columbus was able to sail in 1492 because Ferdinand and Isabella finally evicted the Moslems from southern Spain, and had the money to fund his journeys. By high school, they are able to see pros and cons, and formulate an argument as to why Columbus should or should not have sailed. Our shcools today expect young students to engage in the rhetoric stage, without having learned the grammar (facts) and or how to think about them (dialectic). Until we remember how children learn, we will never understand how to teach them properly.
Absolutely right. Our girls also went to a Classical and Christian school here. It was a very rich academic experience.
One of my objections, however, with our particular school, was that in keeping dogmatically to the trivium at around the 6-7-8th grade level — a transition stage in childhood development when children are developmentally all over the map — they violated the very principles guiding that philosophy. They were openly critical of those “late bloomers” and younger students for not fitting the logic, or “dialectic” stage. They were nearly out of the grammar stage, just not quite. Their brains were moving there.
The irony is that the guiding philosophy of the trivium is based on attuning the curriculum and teaching to the developing minds of children. It is intended to be a guide, held not too loosely but not too tightly either. It’s a sound model, but it it was unwisely and unkindly applied by the individuals at our school, when those children are also most vulnerable. A good dose of humility, introspection, loving consistency, and patience would have made a huge difference in the lives of these very bright and excelling children who just needed to be given little time. I’m sure this is not standard in most of these schools, but it’s easy to see how it can happen any time a theoretical model is imposed on human beings by overly zealous and over-confidant adult authorities — especially on the young, We are all flawed people and our first guardrail must always be Christ’s love.
But you say well: We must understand how children learn as they and give them the tools they need to thrive accordingly. Dorothy Sayer’s model is a great place to start.
I attended grammar school, Grades 1-8. That is a much better model than the elementary, middle, and high school model.
If I could give all kids one thing, it is access to good stories. Great comment, Dick.
I used colored milk bottle caps. Make visual and physical the idea before going to the abstract. Square numbers are obvious in this fashion also.
2 pronouns + 2 pronouns = how many pronouns? Oregon gender affirming mathematics.
Here in Oregon, it doesn’t matter anymore. Any number will do, as long as you get the pronoun part right.
They don’t even learn cursive anymore. I wonder. Is that to keep them from reading the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence?
And Grammar? Fuhgit aboutit!!
My grandson is 16. I sent him a poem today:
‘Trees’ by Joyce Kilmer. He was so impressed with the poem. I told him his Granddad and I had to memorize it when we were very young, as we did many other, longer poems. He was blown away. He said he has never had to memorize anything. He is crazy smart, but it worries me that kids no longer have a chance to learn much of anything of import.
Teach him the poems and great speeches of the past. Help him to memorize them. He’ll thank you later. We do have a memory muscle of sorts. It grows stronger with use. The content and act of memorizing itself will serve him well!
My Dad used to recite "Hiawatha" to me. I loved it.
That was my mom’s favorite poem that she also had memorized in school - that was Iowa in the 40’s.
My son memorized it at age 9, and astounded the other parents in our homeschool group. We seriously underestimate the capabilities of children because we have been trained to do so.
My grandsons (2nd and 3rd grade) go to a small, classical, Christian private school in Park City, UT. They memorize, must spell correctly, use punctuation correctly, write upper and lower case letters of the alphabet correctly, learn exact math, history starting from creation and are learning Latin. The education is far beyond what’s happening in the public school that 2 other grandchildren are attending in NC. If parents can afford to, (and if grandparents can afford to help) send your children to private schools! Public schools are little more than indoctrination centers that produce illiterate, poorly educated children. It’s changed dramatically even since my children attended public school!
Mine did too. These schools, for the most part are excellent.
Let's go back to teaching cursive.
this, in a nutshell, is why we homeschool.
My brother, at eight years old, endured the pain of a broken leg by internally reciting the "times table".
The moon landing tapes got erased? Conveniently erased? I’m starting to think we’ve been living most of our life under one gigantic government psyops.
There is a a video that has been widely circulated in which a NASA scientist says that we can't go back to the moon because all of the technology was lost and the footage was accidentally erased. Like, someone accidentally recorded a football game over the original, oops!
It was an actual space station astronaut who said that, Don Pettit. It was regarding the technology, see for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16MMZJlp_0Y
The problem they have is that fifty years later we still have not developed a method to protect astronauts from radiation within the Van Allen belts and beyond. NASA admits we don't have it and the original technology was "lost".
The moon is 234,000 miles away, but since 1972 no human has gone more than about 300 miles from the Earth. Nor has anyone tried. There's a good reason for that as its stays below the Van Allen belts which start at about 650 miles up.
The only humans that have ever (allegedly) gone through the VA belts are the Apollo astronauts. They went nearly 800x times further from the Earth than any other manned space mission and they did it fifty years ago. Weird.
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We "used to have that technology, but we destroyed it - and it's TOO DIFFICULT TO BUILD BACK " says the astronaut in your video link ???
Too difficult to rebuild ??
....but we can send billions to Ukraine to fight a war that everyone has known it will lose - and all the money budgeted for and sent to Space Exploration.....
.....NOTHING is believable, at this point.
OTJ I’m with you. Five years ago, heck, 3 years ago I would have laughed at anyone claiming that the moonwalk was staged but now I think it’s quite possible, if not likely. And I’ve taken a look at the claims of the doubters and some of the arguments are quite strong. But those shots of all those engineers in the Houston room cheering, could they have been fooled or were they too in on the joke? I’m keeping an open mind. Like with 9/11.
I think if it was faked, the ground station staff would still have to have believed it was real, otherwise there are too many people in on it and somebody would have leaked. But even without them, there would still have to be a lot of people "in the know" and I'd be surprised if none of them had admitted the truth after all this time. For that reason, I actually doubt that it was faked, though I guess it's not completely impossible.
"Two men can keep a secret if one of them is dead", and all that.
After spending the whole afternoon reading the blogposts called Wagging the Moondoggie I am convinced it was all staged. The proof is overwhelming.
Keeping an open mind is about all we can do........ to bad the loopy lefties are unwilling to do so.
As to the moonwalk?
I recall having a huge cart with a "manually-turn-the-channel dial" TV atop (rabbit ears? maybe - don't recall!) rolled into my grammar school classroom - and watching some of the "show", "live" (lol) ..... and I was a believer ever since ! Until, recently - same as you, Credenda.
A man named Eric Dubay has some interesting information available online, if you'd like to investigate it further. Just one of many sources, but a good place to begin your in-depth research.
Build me a perfect working replica of the computer use in mission control in Houston
Repeat 10,000 time for all the other systems you need for a lunar mission.
That is the problem - the tools needed to build Apollo have long since been scrapped and are obsolete.
You'd spend more money adapting Apollo to run with modern stuff than you would simply starting from scratch.
Yeah, this exactly. Lots of old analog computers and 1960s systems that nobody makes any more, and none of the modern "smartphone tech" has really been tested in space for whether it works reliably under those extreme conditions.
well you could start with the oldest iPhone you can find - which has more computing power than nasa had at the time. and even nasa acknowledges (now) that all those all those impressive 'computers' were blank monitors.
Good thing we have A.I. coming along which should be able to put it all together for us, repeat 10,000 times, and get us back to the moon:) <sarc>
I love that you brought this up Jeff! Seriously NASA doesn't even know how the moon was made or where it gets it light . Read their moon facts. Haha it's so laughable. https://science.nasa.gov/moon/facts/
They think "The leading theory of the Moon's origin is that a Mars-sized body collided with Earth about 4.5 billion years ago. The resulting debris from both Earth and the impactor accumulated to form our natural satellite 239,000 miles (384,000 kilometers) away. The newly formed Moon was in a molten state, but within about 100 million years, most of the global "magma ocean" had crystallized, with less-dense rocks floating upward and eventually forming the lunar crust."
"From here on Earth, the sunlit part of the Moon usually looks bright, almost white. This is an illusion. The brightness of the Sun’s reflected light makes it difficult to see the Moon’s actual color from a distance."
https://moon.nasa.gov/moon-in-motion/sun-moonlight/moonlight/
GOD in the Bible told us how he made them.
"And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good."
Genesis 1:16-18 ESV
http://bible.com/59/gen.1.16-18.ESV
TWO great lights! Not the sun and its reflector! And get this: shadows created by the sun during the day are cooler than direct sunlight, but shadows from the moon at night are WARMER than direct moonlight. Anyone can check this out with an infrared laser thermometer...
Yes two lights, not one. Yes, the moon and the sun give out different types of light. Thanks for the thoughts.
Why is that, FEF?
—On the fence, but leaning :))
I have no idea, but it suggests that what the "experts" tell us about the moon is either false, incorrect, or at best, incomplete. As a follower of The Book, I don't believe the moon reflects the sun, because The Book states that it is a separate and independent light. This suggests to me that "space experts," specifically NASA, are lying about the nature of the celestial bodies we see in the sky.
In his testimony before Congress on March 14, 1985, President Reagan's Science Advisor, George Keyworth, had this to say about NASA: "All government agencies lie part of the time, but NASA is the only one I've ever encountered that does so routinely."
One of the best websites that sheds light on the lies of NASA is Aulis.com (https://www.aulis.com/).
And it may be just a strange coinkydink, but "nasa" is actually a word in Hebrew that can be pronounced two ways (NASA or NAWSHAW) and mean two different things depending on the placement of letter modifiers (like a dagesh).
The two different meanings is where it gets interesting: According to Strong's Hebrew Lexicon, nāšā' (#H5377) means "נָשָׁא nâshâʼ, naw-shaw'; a primitive root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:—beguile, deceive, × greatly, × utterly." This is the root word used in Genesis 3:13 where Eve says that the serpent "beguiled me." The second meaning, according to Strong's Hebrew Lexicon for nâsâʼ (#H5375), is "נָשָׂא nâsâʼ, naw-saw'; or נָסָה nâçâh; to lift, bear up, carry, take."
Could it be that NASA's purpose of the Apollo missions was to "lift up, carry away" astronauts in the Lunar Module in order to "deceive or beguile" the world about the nature of the moon?
And if that weren't interesting enough, care to guess what the literal meaning of the name "Apollo" is? "Apollo" is the English translation from Greek name Apollon or Apollonas, which means "to destroy."
So, did NASA use the "Apollo" missions to "lift off" into space and "deceive" the world, thereby "destroying" people's belief in the Bible and our Creator?
Thanks for your reply might try to see what’s been written. 🤗
I recently read that space past near earth orbit also gets very hot before it gets cold.... That and a dozen or so other obstacles to overcome. Let’s start with micro-meteors traveling at 5000 mph.....
Not really a problem at all. Its a matter of how quickly can heat transfer between things.
A dry sauna regularly has temperatures of 150-190F. A humans can comfortably sit in one of these for 15 minutes and suffer no adverse effects.
Put a human in 150F water however and you get an instant 2nd degree burn and probably are in mortal danger after only a few seconds of exposure if done to the entire body.
The difference is the density of water (and its capacity to hold and transfer heat) is much higher than that dry air.
Air at a high altitude, or 'space dust' may have a high temperature, but because the density is so low, very little heat transfer is occurring when you encounter the rare molecule/atom.
Come on they went. They used the dial phone to call... I saw it...🤦🏼♀️😂🤦🏼♀️😂🤦🏼♀️😂
I just loved feigned stupidity
"Lulz, they expect us to believe Nixon called the Astronauts on the moon over telephone lines. How did they get a telephone wire all the way to the moon. hyuck hyuck hyuck"
Analog telephone is not much more than a pair of microphones and speakers connected by copper, so its actually quite trivial to hook a telephone up to a radio (and tape recorder)
The White House switchboard makes a phone call to mission control in Houston, and connects the President's phone in the Oval Office.
The switchboard in Mission Control building sends the call into the flight control room where a very simple device is used to connect the phone system to the radio used by CAPCOM (and to a tape recorder)
Any ham radio operator in the 1960s could have made a device linking a telephone to a radio and tape recorder in their garage in about half an hour.
(and for ease of human listening, removed the time delay when playing copies of the audio)
😂🤣💥!
This whole moon landing was a hoax from day one. It was a way to fleece the Americans of their money. The CDC and COVID was another hoax to fleece us yet again. And Climate Change is yet another. Until we wise up we’ll be fleeced constantly!!
Kat it was also conveniently used to distract from vietnam war http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie-1/
This man’s face as he tells us about how 50 years ago we had technology we cannot replicate even now after we’ve digitally connected the entire world and calculated pi out to billions of places and AI and all the rest ... he looks deranged
And the whole reason Russia has been our “sworn enemy” for over 70 years is because they KNOW the US faked the moon landing. They've got the receipts AND the US government by the short hairs.
They also know that the continent of Antarctica is not what the US claims, which is why both countries developed and signed the longest running world treaty in history. Imagine that. Signing a treaty with our sworn enemy and nobody has ever even HINTED at breaking that treaty in nearly 65 years.
Well, the knowledge to construct the Great Pyramid of Giza has been lost too. We don't have the ability to duplicate what they (?) did when the pyramid was built. Heck, we can't even duplicate how some things were done in the 19th century. Everything today is plastic.
Well apart from the actual technology of pyramid building, we’ve lost the determination and willingness of the people to actually spend their labor achieving something.
We never had the knowledge of how the pyramids were built. But we did have the knowledge of how to go to the moon. There has to be someone,someplace who has saved this info- or at least some of it. Man going to the moon was our greatest accomplishment and we lost the records?
Well, couple of things. For one, the technology has changed. We could build a program to go to the moon again but it would not be using the same technology as the 60's. Propulsion systems have evolved, electronics has evolved, metallurgy has evolved etc. Secondly, there is corporate knowledge which there is none now. All the corporate knowledge, the knowledge base of all the engineers and scientists that built the Apollo missions is gone. Those people are dead or retired and no one has been trained up in those programs because there were no more programs of that sort.
Point is, we would have to start from scratch again and anything the Gov't does is horribly expensive. This is the reason the space effort died after the Apollo missions. The US was past it's peak and all of our wasteful Gov't resources were being devoted to the Vietnam War and the War on Poverty.
If we get back to the Moon and/or Mars, it will be done by efforts like Musk's SpaceX. There is no way on earth, NASA could have done what SpaceX has accomplished. Gov't is incompetent and entirely unaffordable which is why the US Gov't is now on the verge of bankruptcy.
And the Easter Island statues. There are theories…
I have trouble believing we could not build a pyramid today using a computer program. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. At this point I am questioning it all ... while we may not understand how the original architects built the pyramids, is it REALLY TRUE we cannot do it today??? Give me a break ... we are implanting the brains of quadriplegics with chips that message thoughts so that artificial limbs may move! UNILAD has a camera that can take so many photos per second that it is possible to SEE light moving. We built the Hoover dam which must have required a similar level of ability given its particular function??? I’m sorry I’m just not buying the story that we could not possibly build a symmetrical structure out of cut rocks.
"I have trouble believing we could not build a pyramid today using a computer program." I am NOT making fun but...seriously? As a lay person, I sympathize. It's all beyond me. I home schooled my boys and when they had finished high school, they had completed calculus and the CalTech physics textbook "The Mechanical Universe". I can hardly do simple algebra but they can do calculus in their head! I didn't teach them. I just set up a curriculum where they could accomplish it in a self-study environment. So I definitely am not an expert.
There have been a number of good books published describing the Great Pyramid in detail and, I haven't seen it, but it truly has to be seen to be appreciated. The Egyptians came along long after they were built and they modeled some of their tombs after the GP which were tiny in comparison. It's estimated that 2,300,000 limestone and granite blocks make up the GP weighing ON AVERAGE 2.5 tons - some much larger. Secular historians want us to believe that slaves dragged these blocks into place which is absolutely ludicrous. The blocks were cut with such precision that you cannot even fit a sheet of paper between the blocks. The whole pyramid was built mathematically perfect. Even it's alignment with the stars is perfect. The Hoover Dam which I have seen is like comparing an Erector Set with the Empire State building. The Hoover Dam is just a bunch of poured concrete and rebar. Nothing on this planet today that we have discovered compares to the GP though there are some pyramid shapes in the jungles of South America that have yet to be uncovered that have been mapped through aerial topography.
Point is, we don't even understand how these blocks could have been cut with such precision much less how the whole GP was built. Now if you check out a book that goes into detail about the GP, I guarantee you will find it totally fascinating. Now secular historians will never give any credence to this but Biblical historians theorize that the GP was built prior to The Flood and is even referenced in Isaiah. If so, it is the only structure that has survived the Flood to this day.
Isaiah 19:19-20 "In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its border. And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt..."
This altar or pillar is what the Bible describes in other passages as an altar of testimony. How can an altar be in the midst or center of Egypt and at the same time be at the border of Egypt? Egypt was originally two kingdoms: a southern kingdom and a northern kingdom of Egypt. The Great Pyramid lies "on the border" between the two Egyptian kingdoms and at the center of all of Egypt. Secular historians hate the Bible.
The Hoover dam was specifically built without rebar. They couldn't use rebar because the dam would tear apart with all the earthquake activity in the area.
That's interesting. I didn't know that. They built it during the great depression back in the day when men were willing to risk their lives to have a job. They couldn't build it today...you think?
Closest thing might be the Luxor Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas? Even has a beam of light blasting through the top and elevators, state of the art gaming center, casino and Bruno Mars LOL!
And they can’t through that radiation belt. But they could in 1969?!
You know I’m fully on board with almost every conspiracy and theory that exists. I’m out there, Jerry! But we did go to the moon. To say otherwise is just stupid. Sorry. You can’t create a lie that big, and not have someone somewhere spill the beans.
You are using the argument my dad always threw at me when I would question things ... “it’s impossible to orchestrate a complex lie beyond a few people because someone would spill the beans!” ... I now know that was a CIA talking point provided in mass propaganda right around the time it invented the term “conspiracy theorist” ...
I was comforted in my dads confident response to my worries but now I know better. It turns out, the MORE people involved, the easier to conceal a lie! There are a number of reasons for this but I think the primary reason is that the testimony of an individual or even a small group is easily dismissed in the light of a large group intent on concealing the truth.
An excellent illustration is available in the way the pandemic was handled by virtually the entire globe. Think of how Sweden denied the wisdom of social isolation ... although Sweden is an entire country and one assimilated into international agencies, its voice was drowned out and mocked by those who were willing to believe the lie. Even now, with data clearly showing the foolishness of popular pandemic policy, there has been no vindication for Sweden! There is your example of a conspiracy encompassing the ENTIRE PLANET and yet the truth is still shadowed by the lie! Then you can look out at the pieces of the pandemic response puzzle that people with eyes can see adds up to either reckless folly or malevolence ... vaccines, masking, social distancing ... you can see entire industries held captive by these smaller conspiracies... the family doctor who did not dare advise her patients against experimental injections tested on a handful of mice, the preschool director who kept toddler students masked for hours at a stretch, the editor who willingly looks the other way in order to preserve government messaging ... HOW TO CONTROL SUCH A LARGE GROUP??? It is absolutely remarkable how well the pieces hold each other up like an indestructible house of cards. (I interject here to note that the truth will eventually unravel it all from fake moon landings to the intentional poisoning of billions of people. That is because the underhanded plans of greedy people cannot thwart the One who decides all things. Justice will be served it is only a matter of when)
It is time to let go of vintage CIA talking points to keep the frogs relaxed in their pot of heating water!
Really?
After the last 4 years. Really?
I’ve heard for years NASA faked the moon landing. . .there’s a lot of articles to read about the “conspiracy” if you want to dig in to it. I’ve thought the fake landing had a thread of truth but was skeptical too. When I read CC today it was an UREKA moment. I’ve sure learned the general public has been lied to over and over by the govt and alphabet agencies, so let’s just say that the fake moon landing is also a possibility.
The cat has been out of the bag almost the whole time. No one believed the ones who said it didn’t happen. They were gaslighted. The Russians and Chinese don’t want to admit that they fell for our ruse.
That’s a lie. They know how to protect astronauts from radiation.
Neil, not sure why you are so defensive about this.
To clarify Kim's point, there is no *practical* method to protect them from radiation. Of course they could build spacecraft out of thick, dense radiation-shielding materials but the mass would be prohibitive. There is no practical way to do it today and there was certainly no way in 1969. And it is without question that nothing like this was used on the Apollo command or lunar modules.
Prior to reflexively calling people liars you really might want to actually consider their claims.
Backing up Jeff C here:
They put human dummies with radiation monitors on the recent Artemis 1 flight around the moon. Why would they need to do that if people had already gone to the moon? And why did the Artemis 1 mission take twice as long to get to the moon and back as the Apollo missions?
I don’t have a source at present, I just remember watching a nasa video in the last year or two where the scientists talked about not knowing how to get through those belts. It caught my attention because it didn’t make sense to me that we had already gone through those belts and now we can’t. Perhaps the astronauts didn’t go through it, but around it?
I linked it in a comment above, it's from space station astronaut Don Pettit.
The Apollo astronauts went through the Van Allen Radiation Belts according to NASA. They have never claimed otherwise. And it's not just the VA belts being dangerous themselves but the radiation present beyond them. The VA belts protect the earth from radiation by deflecting its path.
Thanks!
That is a deliberate misunderstanding of what Don Pettit meant.
When he says we 'lost the technology' he is not talking about losing the knowledge, or schematics.
We have also lost the technology to make an Apollo system in the same sense that we have lost the technology to build typewriters and steam locomotives.
Doesn't mean we don't have schematics, or that we lost the knowledge of how to build rockets/capsules. It means the machines to make the machines have all been scrapped. In some cases even materials used are no longer produced.
You can go to the National Archives and get copies of every schematic and procedure involved in Apollo, and yes those schematics when turned into physical parts assembled correctly did indeed get Men on the moon.
But you won't be able to take the schematics today and build an Apollo system because practically everything made for Apollo was custom. Many of the original suppliers no longer even exist, and if they do exist they have long since scrapped to tools they used to make those parts.
Take the room sized computers at Mission Control in Houston
Those computers are long gone so you need to find somebody to build some of those old computers, train people to use them, train people to code in that original language (so they can handle emergencies that might arise during a mission), etc etc
Now you might say "Hold on a minute, a modern laptop has millions of times more power than those ancient computers, just use a modern computer instead"
No so fast slick - you can't just go and install the old Apollo software on it and expect it to work.
You have to take the original software and its specifications and then re-write it to work on a modern computer system.
That's just one system. You have hundreds of other systems where you have to take the original part, then using the original design, find somebody to build it, or redesign it to use modern components.
Basically if you wanted to built an Apollo launch system, before you got anywhere near building a rocket you'd have to go and build hundreds of other tools and industries, redesigns, tests, develop new procedures, etc etc.
Ultimately, it would actually cost more to recreate Apollo than it would to start from scratch.
The problem with that argument is that we supposedly went from Alan Shepard's suborbital flight to Apollo 11 in eight years with very primitive computer technology.
We are SIX years into the Artemis program and still haven't put any people past low Earth orbit. They have admitted that the launch date for Artemis 2 (sending people to go around the moon) is highly likely to be pushed back.
You assume that the primary objective of the Artemis program is to actually put men in orbit/on the moon.
Apollo succeeded in 8 years because a fairly well loved politician set an end date for the project and NASA sort of had commit to meet that deadline to get its funding. As soon as they met that deadline the calls to terminate Apollo and its funding gained broader traction among the public
Today there is no such a deadline.
The purpose of Artemis is first and foremost to spend as much money as they possibly can for as long as they can. Secondary goal of Artemis is muh diversity. Getting men on the moon is its tertiary goal.
NASA is notorious for decades long boondoggles.
Before the Space Shuttle even made its first orbital flight it was known that it would not live up to its promise of 'low cost, fast turnaround space truck'
The James Webb Space Telescope took almost 20 years from its first approval to the time it was launched in 2021.
I think we should get the people pushing A.I. to get their A.I. to translate the old system to modern computers, figure out how to build the hardware, then put them in the resulting space capsules. To test the accuracy of A.I. before pushing it out to the world.
OMG
Great series for those looking for an informative and entertaining primer on all of the nonsense regarding the moon landings. Bottom line, there is far more evidence *against* the moon landing than for it. And yes, the "lost" video and telemetry Jeff Chiders referenced is exactly true. Along with many "lost recipes" for technology needed to make a manned lunar flight.
After reading this and all the info in it (and I've verified just about every claim made) you will never view them the same. You'll also realize that everyone who absolutely says they happened is a blowhard who never seriously looked into it but just parrots what they've been told. No serious person can make that claim after reviewing the evidence, at best it's not sure.
Wagging the Moondoggie
https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/
As to the "wag the dog" aspect the author points out how nearly every Apollo mission seems timed to align with escalation or bad news coming out of Vietnam.
I have GOT to quit reading these comments! I just went into Amazon and purchased The Laurel Canyon book by David McGowan. It's going to be my "light reading" on our next trip. The Center for Informed America is a fascinating site.
well as someone who followed Dave McGowan for years before his (turbo cancer) death, its kind of fun to listen to people defend 'moon landing'
It’s an intriguing eye-opener, for sure!
So maybe the moon landing WAS a movie made by Stanley Kubrick?
It was.
I maintain that if Kubrick directed the footage of the moon landings there would be a lot fewer visible problems. You wouldn't have had double shadows, flags flapping in the non-breeze, horizon lines all disappearing at the same fake distance, etc. They probably ASKED him though, which might explain why he dropped the hint with the kid in "The Shining" with the hand knit sweater that says "Apollo 11".
I haven't paid any attention to the moon controversy since the 70's. But I have a question: How is it possible that the moon always has the same side facing the earth in it's orbit? That does not impress me as a naturally occurring phenomenon. That impresses me as an artificial behavior of an orbiting construct. For what purpose? I don't know but it would facilitate the use of a tether between the earth and the moon or allow for the positioning of equipment that would always have a "sight picture" of the earth. That would be of enormous interest for the stationing of moon based weapons and observatories which would be of high interest to us militarily. Just saying.....
It's called tidal locking, and it's a natural phenomenon, although I don't understand it very well. It has something to do with a satellite orbiting too closely to its planet or star.
OK, sounds reasonable. I'm not an astrophysicist so I'm full of dumb questions.
It is a natural phenomenon. The planet Mercury is the same way, always has the same side facing the sun.
So, it’s dark to us when it’s between the earth and the sun?
Wow...I should have stayed awake in astronomy class.
Hey great minds really DO think alike!! I frikkin love Inside the LC as well.....
Me too, an amazing coincidence how many counter-culture icons had direct links to the intelligence community.
Right?! It started off with Jim Morrison’s dad and it just goes from there…..
Next: Rick James and Neil Young show up in a red convertible !!!
Moon, moon. we’ll be “coming back” to you real soon. Our government always keeps its word.
https://www.sibrel.com/
Thanks for the rabbit hole!
And they were able to communicate live from a telephone to them on the moon! hahahahaha
Not too hard. President calls NASA or visa versa. NASA holds a phone on their end up to the radio microphone while president talks, then listens to astronauts talking back to him over speaker box in control room. We have had 2 way radios over a century.
While the signal travels a quarter-million miles out and another quarter-million back (depending on the astronaut's location) yet there is no delay in the conversation on many occasions. There should have been a couple second delay.
The only reason we know this is because reporters taped a TV monitor showing the event supposedly live. All of NASA's footage was lost.
All sorts of really strange stuff that has not held up well under scrutiny.
A few second delay is nothing. The pause at the end of a sentence is sufficient to catch up. We have spacecraft operating at Jupiter and beyond that two way light times greater than an hour. It is routine to send up commands and have to wait a few hours to see if the commands were accepted and the executed. Don’t down play what the US accomplished in the 60s.
Neil, stop making excuses for your naivety. Calls via geostationary satellites have an obvious (and annoying) delay and they are only 23 thousand miles away. Now consider the moon is ten times that far, the delay should have been glaringly present but it's missing.
I get it as living a comforting lie is easier than facing the truth that we have been misled and manipulated. I don't begrudge you for that, but please stop with the lame excuses.
You must not be a flat earther since you agree that there are spacecraft in geosynchronous orbit. We likely wouldn’t have so many spacecraft in our world if it wasn’t for the billions that NASA has invested in space technology.
Um I’m gonna put on my thinking helmet here a guess, for the sake of the people at home, they edited the delay out. Yikes.
With zero delay in the transmission....oh please!
The interview afterwards with the astronauts said more than words. They looked like they wanted the ground to open up and swallow them. Imagine living with that all those years.
They didn't have video tape outside of a television control room in those days.
Join the club of the AWAKE!
It’s like the old “the dog ate my homework” excuse...
It was only the Apollo 11 tapes that got overwritten. This was one of the first times that massive amounts of telemetry data had to be stored. They learned from this incident.
Some of the Apollo 11 magnetic tapes were sold accidently by NASA as "surplus." For example: https://news.justcollecting.com/nasa-lost-apollo-11-moon-landing-videos-sold-auction-sothebys/
During the Apollo 11 50th anniversary I enjoyed learning how NASA had to restore the one old machine it had to be able to read a magnetic tape with 30 or so tracks for data including voices from Mission Control as seen on TV and all the "back" rooms with other controllers around the world. No one had ever even transcribed all those voices until 2009! Idiocracy of a big bureaucracy in action.
We have been.
Listen to these tapes. If you have questions let me know.
I, along with many others, listened to the YouTube version while reading along to help digest it more easily.
Also if you listen to them at a faster speed, I went with 1.5 X and it was still easy to follow.
Also look up videos of Arron Russo, he directed movies such as "Trading Places" and also was Bette Milder"s manager. He echo's this information. He states he received it straight from one of the Rockefellers mouth.
https://drrichardday.wordpress.com/audio/
Yes. And thanks to Trump he’s opened our eyes.
All tapes from all six crewed missions?
We have. The fake moon landing, JFK assassination, RFK asssassination, 9/11, school shootings, the Russian collusion with DJT, the earth is round, origins of Covid...lies, lies and more lies. Dont believe anything that comes from the government.
Truly unbelievable.
More like living under a gigantic dome, just like the Bible says...
Houston Houston we have a problem. F Earthlings asking too many questions.
Clearly we didn’t go to the moon. It’s such a sad thing that happened and they think we can’t handle to the truth...that we will not trust our government anymore. We haven’t trusted our government since Watergate.
We kept trusting the government even after the Federal Reserve act of 1913 that was a Ponzi scheme for borrowing money to finance WWI that would not have otherwise been possible - even after Wilson campaigned for reelection promising no involvement on foreign wars. But Suddenly the FED made it was possible -- So millions were killed in the war and the aftermath involved millions more deaths with the 1917 SPANISH (?) FLU that was never Spanish nor the FLU- or a contagious viral disease , but an aftermath of poverty and malnutrition and other collateral damage following a world war.
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for our sins so that He might rescue us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen. — Galatians 1:3-5 LSB
“...that He might rescue us from this present evil age...” I’m watching, listening and waiting Janice! Come Jesus Come!
Amen!
I WOULD not be able to ENDURE this present and evil age, unless I KNEW that JESUS is COMING SOON! Every day is ONE day CLOSER to His appearing. COME SOON LORD JESUS!!!
You and me both. I don’t know who I could turn to if I didn’t have the Lord.
He is only two thousand years overdue.
Stay patient.
The LORD is NEVER late. The LORD is never early. He will come back "at the appropriate time" not one second sooner or later ... AND rather than being patient, I pray to be PREPARED!
Thank you, Janice, for keeping our eyes on the Prize...💚🕊️💚
Being rescued from this present evil age is sure something I’m hanging on to!
it is not given to us to know that but what we can say is that even now "we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us"..
Pharmaceutical companies are pedagogical pimps. They monetarily beguile - then systematically whore out - academic institutions who in turn poison the medical profession with a scrambled assortment of deluded “scholastic quackery.” The pimps rake it in. Academia feels no shame. The medical professionals (some knowingly, some not) get dragged into the gutter. An entire system teeming with nomadic swindlers and thugs.
The medical profession are willing participants.
Not all. No, not at all.
I don’t believe it is all of them either. I think TPTB squash the voices of those that oppose the corrupt medical system so that we perceive that all are in cahoots to destroy the institution of health. However, I think the majority are either willing participants or remain silent to preserve their jobs and status. JMO.
They agree to join the medical cartel.
NOT ALL. My Doc sure didn't.
They become a part of it after they get a MD from an AMA-approved medical school.
Yeah I agree and do not have much sympathy for them. The whole “we never could have know” is right up there with ‘just following orders’ to me. You could, should and prolly DID know better....off to the court with’ye!!
& Many neglected and gaslit people at the bottom
News flash- its not just medicine. Its ALL academia. Get grants from gov, that are used to sponsor PhDs in grad school, who they study and publish….. but of course if you don’t find what they are looking for you are to keep looking. Its a damn shame.
This is so true!! If your “study” finding does not support “consensus” science then your study will not be published and if you persist you will be demonized as a “crackpot”. If your proposed study questions a “scientifically determined consensus, your study may not be funded. It’s disgusting and anti scientific. It’s the government-academic-pharmaceutical cabal determining “science”. This form of “science” has determined the answer prior to the study. The study is performed and the analysis Must support the predetermined required outcome or it will be dismissed as faulty science.
Oh its not just what science says or has been reached as consensus… its also the narrative. Literally whatever they want to see. And they will rip funding if not found and written about. Its bad because people don’t
realize professors get grants to study X then students study and publish, but again if it doesn’t fit what they want the GOV could pull funding. I talked to an engineer who told me this is how his PhD was funded.
I saw this in my reaearch on social
programs which were ALL funded by GOV. They fund the program and the reaearch. Good but the problem is someone decided if they want prgm to continue or not to be good or not. Not the research. Many times I heard funder say you have to change how you say that. Too strong etc.
This seems to show in some of the vaccine C-19 studies, where the information shared in study points to shots being dangerous, but then the token "they are safe and effective" is thrown in at end, as if it's a requirement to getting around publishing/journal censors.
they cycle the $$$ and power to compel more cycling of $$$ and power, routine operations made easier without Monarchy, Fiscal restraint, etc. Global NGOs and Public-Private Partnerships with "experts/academics/careerists/lobbyists/scientists" to make it all work optimally; then throw in shell companies, billionaire elitists to recruit best and brightest young people to their visionary cause; so very efficient and progressive.
At this point, any medical professional who still believes the nonsense they learned in school or that has been thrust upon them during the pandemic is purposely lying to themselves. I understand how scary it would be to admit it and move on to truly helping people, but there’s no integrity ignoring it!
Sorry but the english language was made for assholes, less is more......
Today, I was talking to a man who was still greiving from his mom’s death. As we were talking, he told me that she went to the hospital for surgery but she was in so much pain that it caused a heart attack... and she died. I asked how old she was and he said 62 and she was in great health. It should have been an easy surgery if she hadn’t been in such pain. I asked if she was vaccinated. He said she was... he didn’t belief in it but she did. This is the first time I have heard of extreme pain causing a heart attack. Then we talked about God having his own timeline each of us. So incredible sad.
Welcome to the deep waters of the conspiratorial dark side of the moon pond. Careful on your board and for goodness sakes avoid that area by the grassy knoll.
I assume you do know that the reason they never returned to the moon is they were warned off by the residents on the dark side.
Ain't sayin.'
I work in an urban school district and the problem with achievement is that it’s a cultural issue, not a black issue. It’s the culture of poverty, generational poverty. People in this culture do not have the same educational and behavioral values that the middle class or upper middle class culture has. It can be black or white or whatever students. Also, my take on the affinity classes, I’m sure that all of the behavior problems are concentrated in these classes. I feel sorry for those teachers.
I’ve always said everything is a Cultural issue, not a race issue. I personally think “cultural diversity“ is the downfall of America. In the old days, immigrants assimilated into what became the American culture. Parents insisted their children learn English. One may have kept their culture close to their heart and practiced customs in the home, but on the outside one blended into the American dream as best they could. I would not want to live next door to a neighbor that blasted rap music into all hours of the night, I don’t care what color they are. People want to be around, live among and hang out with their own culture. It’s human nature.
But we also had great diversity, it was just self-sorted into communities of people with like minds and habits. Why is Pennsylvania known as The Quaker State? It has nothing to do with motor oil. Why is Germantown, Maryland, called that? As my mother used to say, I'll give you three guesses, and the first two don't count. Forcing people into a single standard of acceptability of thought and habit, enforced by constitutionally unauthorized government regulation and law, with legal 'remedies' to inequality of outcomes, is the problem. (and by 'constitutionally unauthorized,' I mean by the actual law, the Constitution, not 'constitutional law,' which is just the study of what particular judges or Justices said the law must be.)
Don't discount the importance of fathers (and mothers) in the home. "Research led by the University of Leeds has found that children do better at primary school if their fathers regularly spend time with them on interactive engagement activities like reading, playing, telling stories, drawing and singing." . . . "The positive impact holds true no matter the gender of the child, nor the families’ ethnicity or household income, according to the report." https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/26/dads-have-a-unique-effect-on-kids-attainment-heres-how.html
Having served in municipal government in a very blue state I’ve witnessed firsthand how government welfare programs incentivize single parent households. A two parent household could not receive welfare and the more children a woman produced the greater the amount of government assistance she received. Many “families” consist of a single parent, almost always a female, with children who are half-brothers and half-sisters sired by different males. In such an environment young males lack a mentor, a loving father concerned about their development and education. The father/mentor role gets substituted with gang membership and the associated criminal, alcohol and drug abuse. It’s a vicious cycle. Government’s response to underperforming schools is to give the schools more money and/or as Jeff has reported a rebranded form of segregation. The real solution must address the root of the problem: the government’s incentivizing of single parent households, or in other words the destruction of the traditional family structure.
Yes, the "destruction of the traditional family structure" supported with $$$ by the government and reinforced by the culture from the Jodie Foster-types (no Dad necessary, just have that kid that you want - notice it's always what the parent wants, not what is best for the child) and the labeling of masculine as "toxic" as in something poisonous and harmful etc. etc.
You wanna destroy a country, tear apart the family. Replace dad with a monthly check.
This is a great resource for getting father’s involved. I have Donny some work with them in the past with work.
https://www.fatherhood.org/
could be there are LESS behavioral issues when Black teachers work w Black students. avoids that pesky conforming to white authority excuse for acting out.
In our district they act out for any adult, doesn’t matter what color the teacher is.
My mom taught briefly when my dad was employed in DC in 1970. That date is not a typo. She was kindergarten, so still pretty tame kids. Another teacher there taught 3rd grade to a class of nearly all black students, who said they did not need to listen to her and called her a f---ing white b--ch. That was 1970. Clearly none of those kids cared at all about education of any kind.
"acting out", you mean misbehaving?
As an educator, I ageee. I wonder how long this school will last?
I find it hard to believe we landed on the moon with technology that can fit on a floppy disk, and we flew back in a large garbage can. And today, we are still having problems getting there! I mean are there aliens on the moon sabotaging our trips or what?
Stanley Kubrick died in 1999.
Yet here we are in 2023 Space Odyssey and Hal is still running the show.
I think you mean HAL.
Yup. HAL 9000 to be exact.
Kubrick directed the Fake Landing video. But he messed up in a couple places and people notice.
He was working on a government contract that didn't cover that.
The dead giveaway was the shadows.
and the "moon landing" happened in 69. your point?
He isn't around to make fake moon landing videos anymore.
It's amazing what can be accomplished when health and safety are a lower priority.
War would be banned if health and safety were important in the military.
That is a very astute observation. Think Columbus crossing the Atlantic in that dingy of a sail boat or the Vikings crossing to North America. Have you seen how high rises are constructed in the orient? Zero safety equipment. Workers stories above ground walking on bamboo poles that would give anyone a heart attack. Yet they get it done. Life is much cheaper in the Orient. And then there is D Day in WWII.
In Asia, construction workers wear flip flops.
I would argue health and safety was a higher priority back then.
Beating the USSR to the moon was the priority.
Apollo 11 nearly ran out of fuel landing and Apollo 13 was very lucky.
That was the reason astronauts were test pilots.
And yet to this day, has any other country ever walked on the moon? Someone should have told NASA not to sweat it back then, for what, lunar dust?
It was a cold war project to beat the USSR.
And when the rocket guys realized they couldn’t pull it off in the boasted time frame, they had to resort to staging the great deception . It’s a very good fake though.
Space station versus moon rocks, hmmm
The Soviets say that if we hadn't shown we could get to the moon successfully that the Cold War would have gone very differently from 1969-1989. Quite an impressive feat that was required of the West...we HAD to do it to counter their lead and put them in their place. The entire world had to and still must accept that the USA got it done or else..(?)
IT is also worth noting that NASA attempted to simply fire a large rocket in to the surface of the moon in order to collect data and even THAT failed....Oh for the halcyon days of that 1960’s technology.
I think I remember that, was the lame excuse back then to look for water? Maybe the real reason was to destroy those pestering bug-head aliens.
Actually, four function calculators have more technology than the Apollo spacecraft computers had, and they didn't need floppy disk drives.
Yes. You got it. They live and work on the dark side.
Got to hear this 15 minute speech. Not to be missed!
This is a riveting 15 speech by the Romanian MEP Christian Terhes at the fourth International Crisis Summit. As a Romanian, he understands more about liberty than we do as Americans who have forgotten the ideals of liberty that our Founding Fathers fought and died for on our behalf. He understands because he and his countrymen lived under the tyranny of the Soviet Union until about 30 years ago. We are in danger of losing our liberty because we no longer have any corporate or familial knowledge of the ideals of liberty that our forefathers fought for. We have squandered our inheritance.
"...We were in a totalitarian regime 30-some years ago in Eastern Europe or up to 30-some years ago in Eastern Europe. But you guys in the West, you were not. The problem is that we are witnessing right now the installation of a new totalitarian regime all across the globe. A few months ago, the WHO signed a contract or whatever, an agreement, with the European Commission to use the digital Covid certificate across the globe. It will be on your cell phone. They're talking right now at the European level about the digital vaccination certificate..."
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/christian-terhes-mep-speaking-truth
I listened yesterday and I agree; everyone needs to hear it! It's especially moving to me because I visited Romania in 2003. We were told not to talk about Ceaușescu unless a Romanian instigated the conversation. The older people cried as they described life during that era. Some initially had trouble adjusting to having the freedom to make their own decisions. The young people wanted to copy the American lifestyle, which is an embarrassment to me. Our country has exported so much immorality and focus on material things.
For some reason I have an attraction to Romania. Always have..... For a commercial entertainment peak into Bucharest the HBO series Umbre is really quite good....
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cz-D8GyL1mM/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==
I copied & pasted this to my FB page, Phil. Thanks for the post!
Pretty sure Biden signed off on this already.
It’s about time the ridiculous psyop moon landing was outed. Imagine a tin can in 1969 flying successfully over 200,000 miles (amazing they had enough fuel round-trip!) into who knows what type of terrain/atmospheres, then landing “live” on air, right on target, and easily transmitting communication across those “space” miles in real time—- with Nixon speaking to them on his landline. In 1969. The concept itself is ludicrous. I can’t even hold a cell signal 300 feet above sea level in the Hollywood Hills.
You mean they invented Tang for no reason? 🤣
There was a reason....to get us all hooked on sugary chemical laden drinks!
Right? And who wouldn’t want to drink what an astronaut was drinking!
And speaking of "hooked" - don't forget Velcro!
Suzanne, you’re onto something there! I cracked up at your comment. Tang, sugar and artificial flavors. That’s it, the moon landing was invented to push crap into our minds and crap into our bodies. 🤣🤣🤣
I think Tang is now Gatorade.
I thought they invented it for my Tang Tea - mmm, gotta make some this Christmas!
it won't be fully outed until all the Baby Boom gen have passed. too painful for them to accept.
I’m a baby boomer and I’ve come to accept in the last few years that it was faked.
I don't know what to think anymore. Everything I took for granted growing up has been turned upside down.
I sorta feel like that one season of the show Dallas, when everything turned out to be a dream in Bobby’s head.
as genx, we started out just not buying what they were selling. and younger gens don't even know anything about the moon landing. I wasn't trying to be hostile - it was much more defining for your generation that's all I meant.
No worries lol. I have a pretty thick skin and a sense of humor. I only get serious about life and death...and the Lord.
Well I for one take it as a Crisis/Opportunity awakening thing...what a gift to be able to retool everything know that one has not gotten had!!
My adult son had been trying to convince me for years. Yep, another conspiracy theory that’s turned out to be true.
Hollywood can’t come close to faking this.
https://youtu.be/4DCyayAZbog?si=jX9p-bH8MyNz2kKY
I’m a boomer and I totally get what you’re saying. It’s even worse today, people won’t believe the vax is causing their fast agonizing death until they’re almost dead. If even then.
I am a boomer and one of those smart kids in the room that went on to become an aerospace engineer for 40 years. Yes we did go to the moon and will go back in the next few years. There is proof we went to the moon. Moon orbiting spacecraft have photographed all the landing sights. The astronaut footprints are still up there. Look it up.
Perhaps it's not about whether or not we went, but about demoralizing both those who think we did, and those who think we were lied to. Perhaps it's gaslighting for the sake of gaslighting. Preparation of the psychological battlefield.
BINGO! Everything, and I mean everything, for the last 4 years has been one giant, military grade psyops. The goal of those trying to subjugate us in typical Marxist fashion is to destroy the family, destroy the American culture, destroy Christian belief and reduce us all to electronic control without any free will just as the Romanian MEP explained who had lived under the same rule in the Soviet Union. Everything is used to divide us in one comprehensive psyops run by the DoD and the CIA. Believe nothing, question everything because it is all psyops. I'll take my stand on what is actually important. I think the coming year leading up to the election is going to be explosive because the overlords are desperate. They can feel the hatred and discontent of the American people and as much as they try to hide it, they know there is a tsunami of support for Trump that will attempt to swamp their election rigging. They are afraid!
Neil, I don’t want to offend you but your description of being “one of those smart kids...that went on to become an aerospace engineer” is off-putting. Lots of us that follow C&C are “smart” and went on to successful careers in various areas but are also discerning and have critical thinking skills that serve us well in figuring out truth and lies. I don’t blindly trust the government or anyone without verification.
I was going to say the exact same thing. What a bore he is.
There is an intermediate possibility to consider: that the moon landing did happen but the live video feed was faked.
That could be true for the first one since they had to convince the world we were the first. Video capability improved as the years went on.
These folks we are dealing with here, unfortunately, have their ultra rare super duty thinking helmets in high gear, and Will parrot much of the stupid they hear. Which is odd, for most of these folks are highly intelligent. The moon landing was real, but that was when we could trust government thirty percent. Now, we can’t trust them at all.
If it was faked, maybe you should try to find one of the tens of thousands that did the work that made it happen. Think they were all in on it? Lol
I meant to post this here so I guess I'll post it twice.......................
Look, I've been following this thread and what Neil said is not "off-putting" or demeaning. It was a simple observation. The difference is even more so today as the quality of education has fallen to abysmal lows. Those who can handle the mathematics required for the hard sciences are indeed the "smart kids". The psyops has gotten us to the point where we are willing to believe everything was phoney. I see no reason to believe the moon landings did not occur but even if that is true, that is not what is important. Yeah, I know JFK's death was a CIA assassination and 9/11 was a DoD gov't plot to install a surveillance state and perpetuate endless wars. That doesn't in and of itself mean everything else was fake. What is important is realizing who the enemy is that is trying to destroy us as an American culture. We have to keep our head screwed on correctly about what this war is and who we are up against.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czx2AQVtFRp/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw%3D%3D
Spot on.
I've watched USA educational levels in math & sciences over 50 years tank. Most here are now mere info-tainment consumers with ever shorter attention spans, not critical thinkers. One need not be a scientist or math expert, much less have a college degree, to be a critical thinker.
Summer of 2009 I went aboard the museum aircraft carrier USS Hornet for several Apollo 11 50th anniversary events. Sat a few feet away from a panel discussion including the NASA engineer/tech and doctor (John Hirasaki and William Carpentier) who shared the mobile quarantine trailer with the astronauts on the Hornet. Didn't detect one shred of any body language indicting lies from either one.
At another lecture on the Hornet that summer a NASA medical doctor explained how once past the Van Allen Belt, the Apollo astronauts knew they'd be killed if hit with a direct blast of solar flares. But, they were Cold War warriors all willing to die for fame, glory, money, and/or patriotism. Most had flown combat missions in WW2 or Korea. How by 2019, NASA still had no radiation shielding technology with current rocket launch weight capability to dream yet of sending any astronauts as far as Mars and how even sending humans to the Moon was still a very lethal gamble.
Watch the conference after Apollo 11 and see TONS of body language from the astronauts indicating they were lying. They also look dejected, not like national heroes that just went to the moon and back. Two of those three rarely wanted to talk about the trip to the moon afterwards.
Thanks, that is an accurate and realistic account. And speaking of Mars, the following book gives a realistic blueprint for getting to Mars much the same way Columbus got to the Americas, on a one-way ticket with no return if safe harbor is not found. This in comparison to NASA's grotesquely expensive plans for Mars that would literally bankrupt the country. Meanwhile, in Boca Chica, Texas, Elon Musk’s SpaceX has created a shipyard that is building and testing the vessels that will take humans to Mars before this decade is out.
https://www.amazon.com/Case-Mars-Plan-Settle-Planet/dp/1982172924/ref=sr_1_13?crid=273Z1N4P7TT2K&keywords=mars+book&qid=1701207676&sprefix=mars+boo%2Caps%2C326&sr=8-13
Bravo
There aren't any photos of landing sites from orbiting spacecraft. In fact the US has BANNED any agencies, foreign or private, from going anywhere near the landing sites. And pictures we do have are pretty inconclusive.
https://skyandtelescope.org/observing/how-to-see-all-six-apollo-moon-landing-sites/
I’m of that generation, and think what is the hardest to accept is that we were tricked into spreading government propaganda and lies to our eager children who loved learning about everything to do with space exploration.
I was always bored by the subject because it was so remote and had nothing to do with our actual real lives. Ha! Truly, more than I realized.
So my kids did not get into it like some of their peers. Maybe it is some of the children who were inspired to become scientists who are now realizing the impossibility of those stories being true?
Look, I've been following this thread and what Neil said is not "off-putting" or demeaning. It was a simple observation. The difference is even more so today as the quality of education has fallen to abysmal lows. Those who can handle the mathematics required for the hard sciences are indeed the "smart kids". The psyops has gotten us to the point where we are willing to believe everything was phoney. I see no reason to believe the moon landings did not occur but even if that is true, that is not what is important. Yeah, I know JFK's death was a CIA assassination and 9/11 was a DoD gov't plot to install a surveillance state and perpetuate endless wars. That doesn't in and of itself mean everything else was fake. What is important is realizing who the enemy is that is trying to destroy us as an American culture. We have to keep our head screwed on correctly about what this war is and who we are up against.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czx2AQVtFRp/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw%3D%3D
I infer from your comment that somehow you always had a grounding sense despite what was going on around you. Usually people like us were not part of the cool crowd.
I like that phrase “grounding sense” ☺️
I’m almost there. Just remembering the crappy typewriter I used to type manuscripts for chemistry professors at my first job at U of I. Every scientific symbol required me to take a key out and insert another one. Whole page size formulas. White out and literally cutting and pasting. A copy machine the size of a small room. A computer on the Quad the size of a building. And we went to the moon the next year?🤣🤣🤣🤣. Don’t think so.
Yup. Van Allen radiation belts, vertical landings on the moon, and the rendezvous after taking off from the moon would all have been crazy hard challenges. But NASA somehow tackled them in just a few years time. And we're six years into the Artemis program now and haven't even sent people around the moon yet.
I'm a boomer and I don't give a f**k about what happened back then. LOL. The sooner it's out in the open the better. But I'm not holding my breath.
100%
Ouch! You're talking about me! LOL
Utterly stupid comment.
He or she makes a good point. It was a strategic uplifting and defining life moment for that generation which was at most a very young adult in 1969. Hard to shake is all.
He had a point? All It was, was a sweeping generalized opinion of a certian generation most likely forged from typical boomer bashing.
Oh good gracious get over yourself. Boomers are a protected class now are they?
Btw, it’s ok to make sweeping generalized OPINIONS about anything.
for SOME of them to accept, does that help?
I guess it helps for some people, I don’t know. I disagree with what you said too. I guess you’re not old enough to realize that there are so many things that are painful for us to accept as we get older, but we all manage to roll with the punches.
It's getting harder to hide, the longer the delays in going "back" to the moon. Occasionally someone slips and says "We have a lot to learn..." and of course the official policy is to just ignore those statements.
It was the middle of the Cold War and we had one thing the Russians definitely didn't have. Hollywood!
Pretty hard to fake this. Hollywood movies don’t come close to this realism. Watch the free documentary on Apollo 17.
https://youtu.be/aYwUCTKvUp8?si=pxjYKKRJvJCQdCXL
They'll just lower the standards so the kids look smarter. They are already trying to eliminate math in public schools. Considering how poorly they are teaching math, they might as well. I urge you to find alternatives to the public schools.
Exactly. Look how they measured relative achievement between the groups: GPA!
As if the teachers in this pilot program wouldn't be incentivized to give higher grades. The only kind of comparison that would make sense would be to compare standardized test scores, but something tell me that those tests are intractably 'white' (even though non-white Asians do far better on them than whites, as a cohort).
GPAs have been inflated even at the Ivy league schools for at least 2 decades. There used to be a lot of talk about it.
Who needs MATH? We have a calculator on our phones, 🙄 duh!
LOL. I actually use mine daily because I don’t trust my math dyslexic self. Mostly in my check register. Yes... still keep one. My brain needs to write things down.
You’re not the only one!
I took a test to become a pharmacy tech in the last year. The test administrator said I could have a calculator. I said no, I want paper and pencil. He was shocked.
Although it may sound funny to those of us above the age of 50 or som that is exactly the reasoning being used to justify just not trying and that goes for students as well as adults. I try to remind folks that training the brain to be an effective tool is an aeons old practice that at one point was even an arcane practice and heavily guarded secret. To no avail though, the dumbing down agenda is up and running strong. Tough to counter....
Maybe the should try eliminating common core math and go back to how it was taught.
BTW, segregation has been going on in schools for years. That is what is behind the latest push to eliminate AP, college ready, etc type classes in high schools. Most of the kids in those classes are white or Asian. Years ago, pre-pandemic, they did a story about it on our local news in regards to a local high school. There was one black girl in AP classes. She said she had no friends because she didn't fit in with the whites/Asians in her classes and her black friends told her she was acting too white by being in those classes and wouldn't have anything to do with her. At that particular school, they literally have 2 separate buildings on the same campus. One building handles all the AP/college ready type classes and the other building handles everyone else. I guarantee one building is mostly white/Asian and the other mostly not.
This is so sad.
Done so with SAT scores more than once, I believe.
The idea of black teachers being better at teaching black children stems from black hatred of whites. My job was to raise test scores in a large predominately black school in Portland, Oregon! I found many of the black teachers disrespected me and totally ignored my advice. But the scores were dramatically raised by fun and creativity and genuine caring for each and every child.
One first year, first grade teacher allowed his students to write their names on their math papers in crayon. So, what is thebig deal? The control of a crayon is different than a pencil. Just saying little things count. This teacher could not understand a finer point in creating excellence.
Until we get rid of racism coming from both directions, we will just be going in circles! Oh, the stories I could tell!
I would love to hear your stories. Let me know if you ever write an essay on it.
I like most of this post but what is the problem w writing your name in crayon if it feels better? who cares?
I’m guessing the physical act of learning to use a pencil. Just as learning cursive strengthens the brain, I’m thinking that would also.
I never was very good at cursive. We were graded on writing in early grades, and it was the only subject in which I could not get an A. Decades later, people see my writing and ask how a woman's handwriting can be as bad as many men's. I never understood how my teachers could read my exam bluebooks.
Cursive takes practice. Lots of it. I used to listen to the radio and just write words that they said. Sometimes sentences, sometimes just individual words. It worked. My cursive improved a ton.
Not that that means anything today. Nobody can read it now.
Jeff, I certainly appreciate the information about the fake US moon landing. I only came to the truth on that in the past few years as I began research on the lies our government had told us about Covid, the poisonous vaccines (and the Covid vax wasn’t the first time they knew of the dangers and still pushed their poison), corruption of big pharma and those lies led me to look into JFK’s assassination. Now add to the list the lies about the moon landing and 9/11. I’m ashamed and embarrassed at what our government has become. I remember when my dad told me as a little girl that integrity is everything and when you get caught lying about one little thing your credibility on everything is greatly compromised. Too bad our government has lost all credibility. Thank you Jeff for exposing it all! I appreciate you!
I recommend you see a psychiatrist.
Most people on Coffee & Covid are polite. I’m sorry if that’s too much to expect from you.
Don’t worry. Most ppl who r rude like that don’t last.
For what?
So maybe the Moon Landing Tapes were in WTC7? ;-)
A distinction possibility....
Given that there was a flurry of activity before the event:
https://rumble.com/v2nzytq--john-corbett-documentary-911-trillions-follow-the-money.html
What if the tapes were "lost" because they prove that the tapes are fake which would lead everyone to conclude that we didn't land on the moon. But we DID land on the moon, we just can't prove it reliably.
If you ever followed professional photographer Jack White you’ll know multiple NASA moon photographs are undeniably fake. That doesn’t, however, mean the missions were fake. It’s a fascinating story, especially when you understand how Walt Disney and Stanley Kubrick were involved and what Werner Von Braun learned about the first ever satellite launch but told few.
I will leave you with this. In what other scientific field in the history of the world has a staggering technological advance been made but then the technology goes backwards? In other words, how could we have gone to the moon decades ago but now can’t? Or can we go there and much farther but the program went dark? Or perhaps is NASA’s only purpose to hide the proof of God?
Lots to digest with this topic.
Cheers!
Yup. The camera was mounted on the astronaut's chest with no viewfinder. Exposure (f-stop and shutter speed) and focus needed to be set manually as it wasn't automatic back then. The astronaut needed to do this while wearing bulky gloves in a harsh environment. Yet the photos are spectacular, perfectly framed, focused, and exposed, rivalling those of a professional photographer.
And that just addresses the technical aspects of photography. On top of that there are all sorts of inconstancies regarding shadow direction (indicating multiple light sources) and well lit subjects in shaded areas that should have been in near total darkness. NASA has never explained how any of this was possible.
Best case explanation is that the moon landings did happen but NASA generated a bunch of faked, staged photos for propaganda purposes. However, there's huge amounts of evidence the landings themselves were faked.
I'm just wondering why their photos from the moon have zero stars in the sky, nary a one.
Every once in a while you can see a star in the darkness. The real reason is that the moon is so bright from the unattenuated UV light from the sun that it washes out the dark sky. With the right settings on the camera, they potentially could have looked at the sky and seen some stars but everything else would have been way overexposed.
The alignment of stars is fixed and well-known. If they'd got one star misplaced it would've ruined the whole deal.
Lol, kinda like the misplaced shadows 😅
I think they realized they didn't have the means to fake the stars, so they just made up the excuse the sunlight is so dang bright there it washes out the starlight. The Earth too, apparently disappears. Some great Earth pics were supposedly taken while they were traveling to the Moon or orbiting it. but none while they were on the Moon.
They lay that BS on pretty thick, don't they? Too bad so many buy it.
The "Why Files" youtube channel has a pretty good episode on this. The first half nearly had me convinced it was fake. The second half had me convinced most of the 'evidence' for it being a fake (photo analysis, Kubrick) is a bunch of baloney.
I don’t pretend to know the answers, I just find it a fascinating topic. Did you know Buzz Aldrin (a 32 degree Freemason) took a Mason’s flag to the moon and then presented it to the Scottish Rite headquarters in DC? Or that NASA is dominated by secret brotherhoods? Or that we learned about anti gravity during the first satellite launch? Or that NASA is a military agency under the DoD and was founded by Nazi’s brought over from Germany after WWII?
Just the tip of the iceberg…😁
My husband spent some time w Buzz Aldrin at his home about 10-12 years ago and they spent a good deal of time talking about space stuff. I’ll have to ask his thoughts on if the landing occurred. I hadn’t thought much of it but several commenters have made some very valid points.
Geez, you make it sound like ancient history lol. When I was in middle school in Huntsville AL, my dad was an engineer who worked for Warner von Braun on the Saturn rocket motors used for the moon launch missions. They literally had a blank check from Pres Kennedy and Congress. They spared no expense. They would test the motors there in Huntsville before shipping them to LA for more testing. They would literally rock the whole town.
At this point Cambodia should have made a moon lading or two....
True dat. Lol
Now let's talk about Jack Parsons, the Luciferian founder of JPL . . .
What I find amusing is that no matter where you go on the internets, there are always people(?) that pop up every single time the moon landing subject is brought up in a skeptical light ready to defend it to the last. In a way they are the original copers and spin bots, because they have been at it since the damn of the internet and the lateral flow of information. Kudos to you Real Men(?) of Genius, keeping the ToothFairy I mean MoonLanding alive and well through all these years!!
NASA can’t possibly hide the truth of God. Just look out the window!
I agree 100% but not everyone sees and hears as we do. What if NASA was hiding hard evidence of the existence of God. Imagine the impact that would have on the world, if true.
There is hard evidence all the time around us... it is whether we chose to believe. We each have our own walk with God. God would not let NASA or anyone else decide it.
"what Werner Von Braun learned about the first ever satellite launch but told few." C'mon man, spill the beans!
Haha. According to NASA consultant and CBS News advisor Richard Hoagland, author of Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA, it was anti gravity. It may have been from our first rocket to circumnavigate the globe, not satellite. I’ll have to get my books out. Lol
In what world do they say we can’t go to the moon? What a silly way to back your theory. We could be on the moon next week if anyone wanted to. Lol
The Artemis program started in 2017. Last year we finally got Artemis 1 off the ground. It was unmanned. Artemis 2, where people go around the moon, is officially scheduled for next year, but nobody believes that will happen on time.
What a childish comment. Your response is almost as pathetic as NASA’s. When NASA was asked why they haven’t gone back they said they lost the technology. If they took your advice they’d say we could any time, we just choose not to.😂😂 But go ahead and put your trust in your government. They would never lie to you.
I have been reading about the Rosenwald schools 5000 schools largely in the segregated South built in a partnership between Julius Rosenwald who unlike today’s filthy rich philanthropists did NOT want his name on anything and Booker T Washington. Rosenwald contributed half the cost of these 2 room schools built from the ground up by people of the communities they served. The communities contributed cash or building materials or sweat equity. They mostly closed after the Brown versus the Board of Education. There are a handful left restored and serving as community centers. It is an amazing story of a pre civil rights movement partnership between Booker T Washington and a totally unsung American hero the first chairman of Sears. AND like most PRE Great Society schools the kids got a REAL EDUCATION.
How about we just point one of those fancy telescopes that can see billions of miles into space at the moon and snap a few pictures of the stuff we left behind? Personally, with AI these days I will believe nothing that I see or hear unless it is with my own lying eyes so, probably a waste of resources.
We do seem to be moving beyond the ability to discern truth from evidence presented.