As for Collins’ “apology,” which I have not watched, as an alleged, self-identified follower of Christ, until he apologizes for the massive harms done and that he knew about from the shots (can’t find the Substack post describing FOIA email correspondence between him, Fauci, and other top level people about …
As for Collins’ “apology,” which I have not watched, as an alleged, self-identified follower of Christ, until he apologizes for the massive harms done and that he knew about from the shots (can’t find the Substack post describing FOIA email correspondence between him, Fauci, and other top level people about harms of myocarditis in young men - EARLY in the jab rollout), until he forthrightly admits that - confesses, in honest biblical fashion - along with the lies about the jabs being safe in pregnant women (we had no data to support that, and now we know Fizer had data in contradiction to that), well, then his apologies are insufficient.
Mistakes were NOT made, as Margaret Anna Alice and Naomi Wolf and Michael Yeadon will tell us. These people were idiots, at best. As a national public health official, it was his JOB to care about ALL of the ramifications of the interventions he was recommending. His JOB. Heck, that is part of the job of ALL physicians - weigh and discuss ALL the pros and cons of a particular course of treatment. EVERYONE in medicine used to know that everything you do has ripple effects. I have no words.
Considering Collins recruited top "big evangelical" leaders to help push the "wear a mask, get a shot" narrative ... I don't see his self-professed Christianity bearing much fruit. Ultimately between him and God, but while his actions didn't surprise me, I was pretty disappointed by those who bought in and then pushed the narrative on the rest of us. I remember when Russell Moore had some pretty decent thoughts to share and then he went all-in on bashing anyone who didn't trust the narrative.
Agreed that mistakes were not made. Anyone who looked at history and the actual science-based plans drawn up for this sort of thing knew that the stuff we were doing was bad. From lockdowns/shutdowns to trying to "vaccinate" in the middle of the virus surging - all of those were known to be bad ideas ahead of time. Masking was pretty much known to not work, and many "experts" even said that in the early days before they all pivoted lock-step to push masks.
Yup, he did lots of ugly things but this was the worst IMO. He actively sought out influential Christian pastors, took advantage of their trust in a "fellow" Christian, and lied to them. By lying I mean he told them things that were untrue, or presented things as *facts* when he knew they weren't proven, but were guesses or opinions. These pastors then parroted what they were told to their congregations.
Side note in that the naivety of so many pastors, as evidenced by how many fell for this, is a real problem. Far too many refuse to admit that evil is real and it exists. It's not just Hitler and Manson.
Edit: And Russell Moore is a political activist, not a Christian leader. It boggles my mind how many people can't see this. This guy seemingly embraces every left-wing social cause, even when directly contradicted by God's word.
Anyone who accepts what Collins had to say simply because he was a Christian obviously was clueless or careless (as in, couldn’t care less) about his pro-abortion stance.
Any self-proclaimed Christian who supports killing humans is automatically suspect with regard to all other ethical matters in my book. The fact that so many Christian leaders fell for his lies says a lot about those leaders too.
The bioethics staff for Christian Medical and Dental Associations, when asked if he thought the jabs were safe for pregnant women, said that yes, he did, because Francis Collins said so and he trusted Francis Collins. This guy is an OB/Gyn physician (the bioethicist) and had the nonsense to say that untested new product was safe for pregnant women just because some other guy said so.
I was appalled.
And yes, I agree Collins’ life doesn’t seem to bear Christian fruit, yet God is the judge not I. Thus my description of him as “self-identified.”
I don't have a grudge against them for listening to him with an open-mind. But before they said a word to their congregations they had an obligation to look into the Collins' history, long-known mRNA safety issues, and the toxicity of the spike itself. They didn't, or they would have been much more circumspect.
I have to say though, I'm glad I'm not a pastor. The bible makes clear pastors are held by God to a high standard, and those who lead the flock away from the truth will be held accountable.
Men of the cloth around the world fell for the vaccine lie. I think I remember reading that a priest in Greece was arrested for telling his congregants to not take it.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…it’s a duck! By his works you shall know him. His works are evil and unrighteousness….you can take it from there!
Talked to our holistic doctor's receptionist last week. She said a friend who was a health and fitness nut got jabbed 3 times, then went on to get pregnant. 8 times. 8 miscarriages so far. In ~two years ??? Sounds safe to me.
My soul weeps when I hear stories like this!! Talk about huge BRAINWASHING around the globe!! The evil minds behind this PLANdemic are laughing their despotic souls to infinity!!!
And speaking about responsibilities and ripple effects the Idaho Department of health is still, right now running ads encouraging pregnant women to get jabbed.
Who ARE these people - are they CIA operatives? They couldn't be any kind of GOOD people - not according to the way most Americans "used" to think. I still point to the REMOVAL of BIBLE READING AND PRAYER every day in public schools (started in 1964--the year I graduated). Children who have no moral compass become inured to evil and rebellion against the Almighty Creator of everything good and righteous! They have no idea what the NARROW PATH of life is all about and why your soul requires that in order to meet our Creator when your mortal flesh is finished!
The killing of infants is a type and shadow of the antichrist. Pharaoh did it. Herod did it. Abortionists have done it. And now it is happening globally as a result of "public health policy."
When the Catholic Church tried to use Jesus to push vaccines I read the churches stance on using a procedure that had aborted fetal cells in it. The pretzel logic made my head hurt. Unfortunately the leadership of the church has turned into one big NGO. There is a core of the body of the church is sound and we just shake our heads at what-the-heck is going on. The fight continues and good always triumphs over evil. When I die I want to be able to stand before God and say I loved You, I tried.
Thank you for sharing the article. Evil is at work every where, Catholic Church included. It is so important to know your faith. It is sad to know that there are people within Catholic Charities taking advantage of the situation. These last few years has really brought evil out in the open and those who believe are seeing the evil. I work hard to keep my eyes on God and let him take care of the rest.
So much for 'separation of church and state'.....and then we wonder why the churches did not stand up to this covid crap - they didn't want to risk the spigot being turned off. Sad times.
Personally, I have a problem when someone says the Catholic Church. I am the Catholic Church and so it every other Catholic. I didn’t push the vaccine and neither did any one in the church I attend, not the 4 priest or the Bishop. The Pope did. Please stop using a broad brushstroke regarding my faith. Whether the rest of what you said is true or not, I stopped trusting in your knowledge is what is right and wrong.
There is a saying. ‘A fish rots from the head down.’ And the head man, the pope, wears a fish symbol on his head. A symbol of the pagan god Dagon.
I have seen it happen in other corporations, and indeed denominations ARE corporations. When the leadership is bad, it starts rotting. Not from the feet up, but from the head down. Just as our nation is now being judged by the world as ‘rotting’.
I don’t believe all people in the CC are bad, but the leadership is, indeed, rotten......just as our current Administration/bureaucracy.
And God and His people had better start realizing that while things may start out with good intentions always ends up with the greediest most power-hungry at the top. And then the ‘rot’ sets in. Consider this:
Proverbs 29:2
When the godly are in authority, the people rejoice.
But when the wicked are in power, the people groan.
I disagree with you about the rotting starts at the top and goes down. I think good starts at the bottom and works it way up. Yes, power corrupts. Unlike this Pope who is on this earth for a very short period of time, my faith has been here since Jesus established it. We have had bad Popes before and our Church survived. Jesus said “upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it”. I think I will trust in God and leave you to whatever you believe in.
Agree my Catholic friend..there were plenty of Greek Orthodox priests (my faith) who fell for what they were told about the virtues of the vaccine. There were monastics on the other hand who did not.
NEVER take someone's "testimony" that they are a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ...ALWAYS be a "fruit inspector" of the "fruit" in their life path!! That's the litmus test!
The Collins plea also does not cohere with the "devastating takedown" he planned with Fauci of traditional public health principles contained in the Great Barrington Declaration.
There is Foxe's Book of Martyrs. There could as well be, appropriate to the last 120 (or more) years, a Book of Usurpers and Subversion anent the toppling of Christianity in the Western World.
Amen. It is an ongoing situation, we have been lied to about so much! I recently started watching ‘A Shot in the Dark’ with Candace Owens, wow. I weep sometimes as I was so deceived when raising our children in regards to immunizations. Highly recommend, she provides research and is very straightforward and diplomatic in sharing extremely useful information - in my opinion.
Well....vaxx pushing Franklin Graham had pericarditis after his 3rd moderna (the booster) and emergency surgery to remove his heart sac that was clamping down on his heart like a death claw...Nov 2021 and his 40's neice had 2 heart attacks jan/april 2022. I cannot for the life of me figure out why they haven't put out a statement to help warn others and to learn from their own misfortune...that is what Overcomers/Believers do is give testimony of their own lessons to help the faith community (those who walk in truth). But that would take humility and being truthful....rather than worshipping deceit $$. I tell you this is exactly what 'money is the root of all evil' means... ppl are decetiful and doing satans work under this spell....they cannot discern truth themselves, that is why they fell for the deceit.
Franklin is NOT his Dad - not made of the same spiritual "cloth" so to speak. I believe he's been swayed by the "wealth and power" greedy world "movers and shakers". I no longer donate to Samaritan's Purse--which I did for over 20 years prior to the past 3 1/2 years of "doom and gloom".
"A lot of people fell for the deciet." Including myself, my husband, and my two adult sons, one of whom has 2 young sons both vaxxed. So now, my only grandkids, ages 11 and 13; the 11 yr old has been diagnosed with CANCER about 2 weeks ago. We are not stupid people; all well educated professionals, but I was the only one to have the time to research the adverse outcomes of the jabs, and regretted my shots immediately (was suckered into it, thinking I would need it to continue teaching Sunday School and to travel to visit my military son in Alaska--and since they were "free...for now" I didn't want to have to shell out a couple hundred buck later for a possibly future-mandated shot). I am devasted. I can't imagine how my son and his wife feel; but so far I think it is just too painful for them to entertain the possibility that they inflicted this on their son by getting him vaxxed. They may never admit it.
I’m so sorry for the difficulties of a cancer diagnosis for your grandson Teresa, and the health of your family being compromised.
I would encourage you, if you were trying to follow the Lord and do what you thought you were all suppose to do by getting vaxxed, take peace in that. If you didn’t think to pray about it or seek the Lord’s wisdom, simply repent for “leaning on your own understanding”, and take peace knowing you are forgiven! 💕
Going forward, know that the Lord can and will, use everything for our good and His glory, that we will give Him. He is working in you and your family. His desire is to draw us closer to Him, and change us more into His likeness. This often requires suffering. Scripture tells us “Jesus learned obedience through the things He suffered.” And He was perfect! So we need to learn even more.
I pray you will not let the enemy steal your joy and peace. (Fear, shame, and condemnation are not from God.). I pray you will see the Lord working, through the cancer, not in spite of it. That you and your family are drawn closer to Him, and bear testimony to His goodness in these difficult circumstances.
We definitely saw His goodness when our 4 1/2 year old was diagnosed and treated for 2 1/2 years for leukemia starting in 2018. She was healed, praise God, but the difficulty of those years was showered with His grace and help. He was working His good will for her and all of us. There were things accomplished that had eternal value during those years that we are so grateful for. We tried to trust the Lord, no matter the outcome, and saw our faith, and the faith of our children, strengthened through the trials.
I pray this gives you encouragement and hope for the new year. 🙏🏼💗
@Rosie…all I can say is beautifully written, and graciously given. I can’t agree with you more! “ALL THINGS work together for good, to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.” Romans 8:28
the truth does set you free....thank you for that. Your testimony will affect more ppl than my snarky comments...I'm simply so damn mad about the scam that I don't care about offending ppl...I want them to wake up, but most in my circle are doubling down in insanity and argue ad nauseum. I stopped 2 bible studies b/c I can't stand being around the arrogance or at the minimum the willful clueless, and I kept feeling ill after church every week (shedding)! And Listening to all the vaxx injuries/deaths with no dot connecting at all. LOTS of breast cancer, brain injuries, miscarriages and deaths...I don't go to church to get PTSD from the announcements and prayer requests...overload. Praying for ya'll tonight.
Agree with what you have said here KB, but just a tidbit to add - it’s not “money” that is the root of all evil but rather “the LOVE of money”……1 Tim 6:10.
Just so you know, I heard straight from his niece that she did NOT have any of the vaccines. We have to be careful that what WE say is factual. Yes I understand Franklin unfortunately took suggested the vaccines be taken, but that doesn’t mean everyone in his family agreed, just like our families, just like us.
All that claim to be of Christ are not all Christians. Test and see if they hold to the doctrine of the sWord or bow and fear men and tradition. Everyone who makes a claim must show proof or be a liar and hypocrite.
“Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants. On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’ Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you people who do wrong. I never knew you.’
Well said Tom. I try hard and sometimes fail to first inquire of the Lord before speaking. I fail when I do not wait on the Lord to answer.
The Lord loves me anyway as He takes me through learning patience as He corrects me in the Word. Proverbs 19:20 Listen to advice and accept correction, and in the end you will be wise.
"that even the elect will be deceived". I know it's out of context, but worth it when Christians profess they were doing "the right thing", by being jabbed. So sad for those that want children. My children are very important to me, but one son has chosen not to have children. I don't judge him! I worry for our two granddaughters.
Deceptions are built on deceptions. A word or phrase is corrupted and then used to build upon other ideas until a larger idea is built upon a lie.
The fear propagated through the population will also facilitate more self-deception later on. What has been done will have laid the groundwork for yet greater deceptions to come.
The notion that a certain phenomenon is of science and has no spiritual nature is a prime example. Consider the notion of "alien visitors" now showing up on Rogan, Shawn Ryan, and legacy media. It's meant to clothe a demonic phenomenon in "science." One who understands these things are demonic will have a spiritual worldview. Another will dismiss that spiritual worldview because he has an explanation in "science."
The truth that they are fallen angels and demons will be hidden in a lie that has been under construction for a very long time.
Lies are built on other lies, they all come from the same source, and they all work to the same end. Satan was a liar and a murderer from the very beginning.
Yes. Hypocrites and a lot of "in name only" - like conservative etc. I attended a party of all my former close friends. They are covidians. They were welcoming and seemed anxious to put all their bullcrap and attitudes to me and my family (we are unvaxxed) behind them. I was polite. But after listening to them prattle and talk about their illnesses, I left feeling good I was leaving them behind. Life is too short. I don't have time for BS.
I think what bothers me the most was the lack of discernment and blind trust in ‘officials’ that I saw my brothers and sisters in Christ exhibiting. We all need to ask for forgiveness for our sins. From the very beginning of this crap it felt like spiritual warfare and very evil, but it was very, very difficult to get most to even consider. I pray for the body of Christ to rise up and get back to serving and trusting the Lord God Almighty!
Thank you for your thoughts. So many do fall for the lies. I agree with your prayer. We forget that what we call church is actually Christians. The body of Christ.
Elitist were blinded by the enemy, satan, liar, and father of lies who is always behind the ‘officials’ who believe his lies. They are deluding themselves that we can not think for ourselves while they listen to the devils whispering.
James said it best when he calls us to resist and to draw near God.
Be subject therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. James 4:7
What a God-sized difference we could make if we all humbly pray: 2nd Chronicles 7:14
The "think tanks" and "foundations" in our country were planning this scenario for over TEN YEARS. They were hoping for even more DEATHS - their aim and objective is to DE POPULATE the world. Wonder who's going to buy their 'puters' and 'electric vehicles' if they eugenically destroy their "fans" and "consumer base"!!
I knew he supported use of organs and parts taken from unwanted live-born babies… I did not know he tried calling it pro-life.
And yes, unfortunately the babies who organs, skin, scalps, and so on are cut out of them for research - those babies must be delivered ALIVE so that the organs, skin, and scalps, and such don’t start deteriorating. Despicable and downright evil and worse. 😭😭😭😭
How depraved have we become? We need to bring back compassion. I read a story once of a woman who wanted to have a baby and abort it to use it’s cells for her sick child. The doctor refused but this was years ago when there was still some ethics in medicine. Pray for us all...Retribution will not be pretty.
You have to do a deep dive to find out. I finally had to stop. The adrenochrome thing with these demonic beings is so heartbreaking. Demons/fallen angels demand the sacrifice of children. And that Hollow-wood and pop culture, politicians are so steeped in it is beyond anything we could have ever imagined.
Before you deep dive into this stuff,you might be well-advised to fast and pray that He cover you during your investigation.
I won’t advise against it. Eyes need to open. We need to know what we are up against, but we need to be bathed in prayer before we start wading in. Be prayerful
And vigilant. But do it. You need to at least begin to know what we are up against.
My bookmarks are on my other device. Lemme link them here later.
Yeah, my stomach, well, I can’t describe the sensations when I read that sometime since late 2020 or early ‘21. I’d always assumed that the organs and tissues taken from aborted babies were taken from the dead babies after the completed procedure. Naive me - when else do doctors use dead organs for something? They don’t. Thus the urgency in a transplant situation - maintain viability of the organ so it can be urgently placed in the new recipient.
And while you are peering into this rabbit hole, look into how Uighyrs (?spelling) are forcibly harvested (and often thus killed) for their organs in China. I’m not even making that up. They are a particular ethnic group hated by the Chinese government and horribly abused and genocided by them. Horrific doesn’t even do it justice. And yes, some are killed for their organs.
"Dead tissue is worthless. It is not possible to simply perform an abortion and then after the fact, decide one wants to use the discarded fetus for cell research. Nor is it desirable to do so, according to the University of Pennsylvania’s bioethics guidelines, which state that after the abortion, 'It is not quite the appropriate time, given the emotional stress that this procedure entails. Based on this premise, consent elicited at this time may be regarded as invalid.'[3]
"And from a clinical standpoint, according to Dr. C. Ward Kischer, PhD one of the leading authorities in the nation on human embryology, the abortion must be pre-arranged in order to have researchers available to immediately preserve the tissue.
'In order to sustain 95% of the cells, the live tissue would need to be preserved within 5 minutes of the abortion', stated Dr. Kischer. 'Within an hour the cells would continue to deteriorate, rendering the specimens useless.' [4]"
When I took public health in grad school two things we learned were: masks do not work and lockdowns do more harm than good. You can't control a virus once it's out and about. It's impossible, unless you are willing to kill huge numbers of people. I specifically remember the professor saying that countries that wear masks (e.g., Asia) do nothing but make themselves feel better, like wearing a security blanky. So, when I saw the "experts" shilling for masks and lockdowns, it was obvious they were either wildly incompetent (childishly so) or they were playing politics.
When the first covid data came out of Italy in late 2019, I read it, did basic math, and said "it's the flu." No one but elderly and sick people were dying, and the estimated IFR based on cases/deaths was identical to the flu. So, when our self-proclaimed "experts" started hyping it as an "equal opportunity killer" that could have as high a fatality rate as 5% (Fauci's words), it was obvious they were either droolingly incompetent or lying. For 4 years now (!) we've been living in the hell created by this initial lie about data that was publicly available.
When the trial data was first available (online years ago at this point) it was clear the shots did more harm than good. In their own trial results! Not to mention the weird side effects: bells palsy, "blue-green" breast milk in mothers, strokes, myocarditis, etc. It was all there. Obviously, the Rx co's lied about the results. But, there is simply no way that the "public health" people didn't know this. Again, they were either ridiculously incompetent or lying.
At that point, I could no longer believe it was all just incompetence. But, hearing them talk now, and hearing them describe their own childish mental processes...it makes me wonder. Maybe they really were that incompetent and that stupid. Based off his own words, Collins is clearly not intelligent enough to hold the job he holds. Maybe they just got played by an Rx co. looking to make a ton of money. IDK. Someone coordinated this across countries, but the people we have access to do not appear intelligent enough to accomplish that.
Don't forget the clip of our other bowtie doctor, Peter Hoetz, where he states in April 2020 that the problem with mRNA vaccines is that in animal trials, although the shot didn't kill the aninals, they all died when exposed to another infection. The animal trials failed and they knew it! No incompetence there.
The “equal opportunity” lie reminds me exactly of what he said about HIV/AIDS in the 1980s. I was only in high school when all that was happening, but even I was smart enough to know that (1) not having sex would prevent the disease and (2) having sex only within a single monogamous relationship (aka, marriage) would also prevent transmission. Yet here he was (I didn’t pay attention to it being HIM at the time, but have since learned that HIV/AIDS was verse 1 of the nonsense and COVID verse 2 or something after that) claiming that everyone was at risk Ad that the condition would be rampant amongst heterosexuals within a few years.
The gov't has their pet people they want in their corner, either by bribery or blackmail (Epstein, Clintons, Obamas). They, then, are controlled to say and do what the higher-ups want them to do and say. Collins will be punished in some way. It takes a lot to go through the education to become a physician, but it's a whole lot easier to walk through life lying and cheating your way up the ladder, but don't cross the people who put you there. Collins will have to answer to God, one day. The wonderful thing about our Lord, is that He will be the ultimate judge and juror of what we have done. All can be forgiven and there are no grades to sin. Stealing post-it notes from work is a sin, but is it less than murder or betrayal of trust from gov't officials? Just saying...............
You are absolutely right Copernicus. He didn't do his JOB, he betrayed the world, not just America. I don't know how these vile beings are even able to sleep. I will never understand it, as there is no moral logic to it.
I agree 100%.... it certainly was his job to consider the ramifications of these decisions… And I also feel it had a lot to do with money in the pockets… prayers for all the Sheeple who believed, and trusted… I think God every day for that still small voice that told me not to take the jab!!!!!! How many people that I love in my family as well as friends, took the Kool-Aid, and made my life difficult I’m not angry with them… Disappointed others were not willing to at least consider another side. I saw fear in People instead of faith.
Now it is our job to be forgiving and help those who are injured by this shot! Praying that those who have wrecked our country are held accountable.
Call me discerning or call me a cat, but Collins has ALWAYS made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. Mark my words, there is something wrong about him since LONG before the latest great unpleasantness.
Not much in this world is black and white, but the fact is that virtually all of the top level covid enforcers, be they media, government agencies, politicians, doctors, etc, are criminals. Not idiots, not well intentioned people who made mistakes, not people who did not have adequate information. If you were able to get these satanic ghouls to proffer a Hilary Clinton Goldman Sachs conference moment where they are asked what mistakes were made during the plandemic, this is what you would hear. "We expected the virus to be more virulent, the shots more deadly, that we could continue the lockdowns longer to break the will of the unvaxxed to submit to the jabs, that we could control the narrative longer, and better. That the Great Reset would already have happened by now".
That is the mistakes these monsters think they made.
I agree, mistakes were not made. If I, and “elderly” retired nurse with only a modicum of infectious disease training can see the terrible potential for collateral damage by the chosen response, the “pros” saw it, as well. It was all by design. I am never going to be convinced otherwise. Pfizer and Moderna as well as the FDA, CDC and WHO all have “blood on their hands.” I would love to see a day of reckoning but that will not happen. However, I think the public is at least smart enough to not fall for the scam the next time they try it.
Well, that is not the position I personally hold. I tend to align with Dr Yeadon and the others.
But for folks who can’t quite get there, yet… the idiot option is a way station until they can work past the stunned shock and horror of the alternative.
The behavior of Francis Collins and the blind trust placed in him by so many Christian leaders - especially “intellectuals” like Tim Keller and NT Wright - was one of the most disheartening aspects of the COVID debacle, in my experience. Their inability to even consider the suffering and devastation (both physical and spiritual) caused by their policies exhibited a shocking narrowness of thought. I know they are “mere mortals,” but I expected better from my theological heroes. Lesson learned (I hope).
Yes. I struggled immensely with this as well. And with those same people, and others. We’ve long appreciated N T Wright’s approach to reading the Bible and Paul and spiritual growth. We were in a church modeled after Redeemer NYC, and then had to leave as our church became covid tyrants and purveyors of racial wokeness in the riots. 😭
It has been quite sobering to see that absolutely ALL denominations and groups are derailed in some fashion. Either by walking in lockstep with the tyranny. Or, for those like John MacArthur who refused to close (bravo), are riddled with other weights that encumber when it comes to how women are treated within marriage and the church and/or how they counsel regarding abuse (that was an entirely different rabbit hole I discovered when researching his response to lockdowns).
It’s a sobering and hard reminder to keep our eyes fixed on Jesus first. And yet, we need Christian community face to face here while we await our face to face with Jesus.
I’ve been so grateful for the spiritual comradery here at C&C.
Apparently I need to spend more time in the C&C comments section, then! We left our church for the same reasons, made worse by the fact that our small group had a front row seat to our family’s suffering, but refused to stand with us or even acknowledge the reality of it when an opportunity came to help - because to do so would’ve involved admitting a chink in the narrative. We left- but I am not confident that other congregations in the area, including our new one, would’ve behaved any differently.
The C&C comments are as valuable as Jeff’s posts, just in different ways. I have learned a lot and would love to meet some of the folks here in person. We’ve joked at times about having our pen names over our heads like gamer tags, in heaven.
I’m so sorry about your church experience. It is truly painful. And even more so the small group experience.
We left our church, as I said, and landed for the last almost two years in a congregation that closed for only the briefest of times and whose pastors did not require the various masks and such. In fact, they even wrote letters for their folks seeking REs for the death jabs. I would not have trusted anyone in our prior church to have written a strong letter, should we have needed one.
We are actually moving to another church because we miss the rich (although NOT high church!) liturgy of the old church AND more importantly need a different approach to spiritual growth than what is taught at the current church. But, like you, I was leery of ending up back in a church that would cave to government next time ‘round. Because we all know there WILL BE a next time in one form or another.
I actually emailed the pastor of the new place and bluntly asked how they handled things before and what would they do differently next time. He replied with a quite detailed answer, including the congregational letter he sent the congregation in March ‘20, in which he largely said, as Jeff has said, “Do not fear!”
I hope you are able to find some likeminded community in some fashion or another. 🙏🏻
It's becoming more important to read the Bible with every passing day .
Amos 8:11 (ESV)
'“Behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord God, “when I will send a famine on the land— not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord.'
In my career, for some reason, I have been hired by 5 "good Christians". Four of them were decidedly NOT: liars, cheaters, stealers, mean as a honey badger... I automatically distrust anyone who tries to use their Christianity to curry favor.
My current boss is truly a Christian, and a wonderful woman to work for.
The ones who are true Christians in my experience are also the ones who don’t advertise it. They just live their lives following Christ and are very humble about it.
And when people were crying out in despair because their children were being harmed, their families were being torn apart, relationships were being strained and broken, violence was increasing, people were dying in hospitals alone, and the vax injuries were showing up, we were told to shut up. We were called grandma killers and anti vaxxers. We were treated like lepers and attacked every night on the news and late night shows. We were told that we were uneducated rubes and that we shouldn’t be allowed in society if we didn’t allow ourselves to be experimented on. The worst sin in the history of the world was to show up somewhere without a mask. And this is only a small round up of all the atrocities that Collins was complicit in. And he can only say that mistakes were made. It’s so insulting and infuriating because the reality of the harms and evil that took place has been devastating and I believe it was intentional. May God have mercy on his soul and help me to forgive.
I actually DID start watching the entire video of the event, but I couldn't stomach it for very long. The format was thus:
"On a variety of covid-related topics, I am going to ask you to tell me what you got wrong, and also what the other side got right."
The first topic was masks, and the question went to Collins. He said that first of all before he could answer, he needed to lay out some foundational info, and he started talking about how he wasn't in charge of policy making, and also vaccines, vaccines, vaccines. I gave up listening before he ever got to masks.
Love the positive perspective!
As for Collins’ “apology,” which I have not watched, as an alleged, self-identified follower of Christ, until he apologizes for the massive harms done and that he knew about from the shots (can’t find the Substack post describing FOIA email correspondence between him, Fauci, and other top level people about harms of myocarditis in young men - EARLY in the jab rollout), until he forthrightly admits that - confesses, in honest biblical fashion - along with the lies about the jabs being safe in pregnant women (we had no data to support that, and now we know Fizer had data in contradiction to that), well, then his apologies are insufficient.
Mistakes were NOT made, as Margaret Anna Alice and Naomi Wolf and Michael Yeadon will tell us. These people were idiots, at best. As a national public health official, it was his JOB to care about ALL of the ramifications of the interventions he was recommending. His JOB. Heck, that is part of the job of ALL physicians - weigh and discuss ALL the pros and cons of a particular course of treatment. EVERYONE in medicine used to know that everything you do has ripple effects. I have no words.
Considering Collins recruited top "big evangelical" leaders to help push the "wear a mask, get a shot" narrative ... I don't see his self-professed Christianity bearing much fruit. Ultimately between him and God, but while his actions didn't surprise me, I was pretty disappointed by those who bought in and then pushed the narrative on the rest of us. I remember when Russell Moore had some pretty decent thoughts to share and then he went all-in on bashing anyone who didn't trust the narrative.
Agreed that mistakes were not made. Anyone who looked at history and the actual science-based plans drawn up for this sort of thing knew that the stuff we were doing was bad. From lockdowns/shutdowns to trying to "vaccinate" in the middle of the virus surging - all of those were known to be bad ideas ahead of time. Masking was pretty much known to not work, and many "experts" even said that in the early days before they all pivoted lock-step to push masks.
Yup, he did lots of ugly things but this was the worst IMO. He actively sought out influential Christian pastors, took advantage of their trust in a "fellow" Christian, and lied to them. By lying I mean he told them things that were untrue, or presented things as *facts* when he knew they weren't proven, but were guesses or opinions. These pastors then parroted what they were told to their congregations.
Side note in that the naivety of so many pastors, as evidenced by how many fell for this, is a real problem. Far too many refuse to admit that evil is real and it exists. It's not just Hitler and Manson.
Edit: And Russell Moore is a political activist, not a Christian leader. It boggles my mind how many people can't see this. This guy seemingly embraces every left-wing social cause, even when directly contradicted by God's word.
Anyone who accepts what Collins had to say simply because he was a Christian obviously was clueless or careless (as in, couldn’t care less) about his pro-abortion stance.
Any self-proclaimed Christian who supports killing humans is automatically suspect with regard to all other ethical matters in my book. The fact that so many Christian leaders fell for his lies says a lot about those leaders too.
The bioethics staff for Christian Medical and Dental Associations, when asked if he thought the jabs were safe for pregnant women, said that yes, he did, because Francis Collins said so and he trusted Francis Collins. This guy is an OB/Gyn physician (the bioethicist) and had the nonsense to say that untested new product was safe for pregnant women just because some other guy said so.
I was appalled.
And yes, I agree Collins’ life doesn’t seem to bear Christian fruit, yet God is the judge not I. Thus my description of him as “self-identified.”
Bingo, yet they did.
I don't have a grudge against them for listening to him with an open-mind. But before they said a word to their congregations they had an obligation to look into the Collins' history, long-known mRNA safety issues, and the toxicity of the spike itself. They didn't, or they would have been much more circumspect.
I have to say though, I'm glad I'm not a pastor. The bible makes clear pastors are held by God to a high standard, and those who lead the flock away from the truth will be held accountable.
Men of the cloth around the world fell for the vaccine lie. I think I remember reading that a priest in Greece was arrested for telling his congregants to not take it.
Did it go from one authority figure--Francis Collins--to another authority figure--a pastor?
Indeed, it did.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…it’s a duck! By his works you shall know him. His works are evil and unrighteousness….you can take it from there!
Talked to our holistic doctor's receptionist last week. She said a friend who was a health and fitness nut got jabbed 3 times, then went on to get pregnant. 8 times. 8 miscarriages so far. In ~two years ??? Sounds safe to me.
My soul weeps when I hear stories like this!! Talk about huge BRAINWASHING around the globe!! The evil minds behind this PLANdemic are laughing their despotic souls to infinity!!!
I hear you! My consolation is that God KNOWS! AND He will repay JUSTLY!
AMEN!
They're not laughing to infinity . . . Their laughter will one day be interrupted by gnashing of teeth.
I stand corrected - thank you, Tom.
And speaking about responsibilities and ripple effects the Idaho Department of health is still, right now running ads encouraging pregnant women to get jabbed.
With the mRNA jab??? How SICK and UTTERLY EVIL!
Yes. They still have a bunch of ads pushing the jabs. Libs of tiktok also exposed them for pushing porn in schools awhile back.
Who ARE these people - are they CIA operatives? They couldn't be any kind of GOOD people - not according to the way most Americans "used" to think. I still point to the REMOVAL of BIBLE READING AND PRAYER every day in public schools (started in 1964--the year I graduated). Children who have no moral compass become inured to evil and rebellion against the Almighty Creator of everything good and righteous! They have no idea what the NARROW PATH of life is all about and why your soul requires that in order to meet our Creator when your mortal flesh is finished!
🔥🔥🔥😡 May God personally rebuke them!
"Safe and Effective" except they don't tell you that it was meant to be effective in damaging or killing you...
The killing of infants is a type and shadow of the antichrist. Pharaoh did it. Herod did it. Abortionists have done it. And now it is happening globally as a result of "public health policy."
Those miscarried babies were made in God's image.
When the Catholic Church tried to use Jesus to push vaccines I read the churches stance on using a procedure that had aborted fetal cells in it. The pretzel logic made my head hurt. Unfortunately the leadership of the church has turned into one big NGO. There is a core of the body of the church is sound and we just shake our heads at what-the-heck is going on. The fight continues and good always triumphs over evil. When I die I want to be able to stand before God and say I loved You, I tried.
Catholic Charities also facilitating the illegal migrant invasion and making bank doing so.
I know that they are at the border ... where did you read that they are “making Bank” off of it?
I am Catholic, and disgusted with this, but this source says:
Catholic Charities is by far the largest Catholic recipient of federal immigration funds, having received over $1.8 BILLION of federal grants between 2008-2022. This figure includes both PRIME awards received directly from federal agencies as well as SUBAWARDS received from other organizations https://www.complicitclergy.com/2023/01/04/watch-bishops-banking-billions-exploiting-illegal-immigration-invasion/
Thank you for sharing the article. Evil is at work every where, Catholic Church included. It is so important to know your faith. It is sad to know that there are people within Catholic Charities taking advantage of the situation. These last few years has really brought evil out in the open and those who believe are seeing the evil. I work hard to keep my eyes on God and let him take care of the rest.
More.
https://randoland.us/bill_breakdowns/refugee-revenue-church-world-services-520-million-in-grants/
So much for 'separation of church and state'.....and then we wonder why the churches did not stand up to this covid crap - they didn't want to risk the spigot being turned off. Sad times.
Always "follow the money" if a "church's" stance seems morally and spiritually "off base".
Personally, I have a problem when someone says the Catholic Church. I am the Catholic Church and so it every other Catholic. I didn’t push the vaccine and neither did any one in the church I attend, not the 4 priest or the Bishop. The Pope did. Please stop using a broad brushstroke regarding my faith. Whether the rest of what you said is true or not, I stopped trusting in your knowledge is what is right and wrong.
There is a saying. ‘A fish rots from the head down.’ And the head man, the pope, wears a fish symbol on his head. A symbol of the pagan god Dagon.
I have seen it happen in other corporations, and indeed denominations ARE corporations. When the leadership is bad, it starts rotting. Not from the feet up, but from the head down. Just as our nation is now being judged by the world as ‘rotting’.
I don’t believe all people in the CC are bad, but the leadership is, indeed, rotten......just as our current Administration/bureaucracy.
And God and His people had better start realizing that while things may start out with good intentions always ends up with the greediest most power-hungry at the top. And then the ‘rot’ sets in. Consider this:
Proverbs 29:2
When the godly are in authority, the people rejoice.
But when the wicked are in power, the people groan.
I disagree with you about the rotting starts at the top and goes down. I think good starts at the bottom and works it way up. Yes, power corrupts. Unlike this Pope who is on this earth for a very short period of time, my faith has been here since Jesus established it. We have had bad Popes before and our Church survived. Jesus said “upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it”. I think I will trust in God and leave you to whatever you believe in.
Agree my Catholic friend..there were plenty of Greek Orthodox priests (my faith) who fell for what they were told about the virtues of the vaccine. There were monastics on the other hand who did not.
But you just said that in your previous statement...In reference to the Catholic Church.
NEVER take someone's "testimony" that they are a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ...ALWAYS be a "fruit inspector" of the "fruit" in their life path!! That's the litmus test!
There are no little stickers, like the ones on grocery store fruit that get eaten accidentally from time to time.
Lol my " fruit inspection" got removed
On THIS forum, Learning? Why?? Our pastor said this all the time when I was a "young person". LOVE your moniker, BTW!
It was further up
Yeppir - I saw it yesterday; was it indeed "expurgated"? I surely hope NOT!
"he was a Christian"
We were TOLD to look for fruit. We were TOLD.
And we were taught in nursing school back in the 80’s to not even take a Tylenol during pregnancy unless it was absolutely necessary… 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Can anyone please tell me where and when doctors and my fellow nurses became so callous and just plain stupid?!? For the love of money… 💩
Murderers… 🔥
The Collins plea also does not cohere with the "devastating takedown" he planned with Fauci of traditional public health principles contained in the Great Barrington Declaration.
There is Foxe's Book of Martyrs. There could as well be, appropriate to the last 120 (or more) years, a Book of Usurpers and Subversion anent the toppling of Christianity in the Western World.
What you say resonates.
read in this article all the things TRUMP SAID ABOUT THE V//
https://uncorruptedtruth.com/2023/09/11/josh-green-oprah-kill-over-500-people-in-fire-attack-on-maui/#
This was the year that exposed the frauds. How far evil infiltrated the education, religious and political systems.
Agree Annie! I am not certain, but I haven’t yet seen Franklin Graham’s apology....
The phrase "I was blind but now I see " is so true. The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Amen. It is an ongoing situation, we have been lied to about so much! I recently started watching ‘A Shot in the Dark’ with Candace Owens, wow. I weep sometimes as I was so deceived when raising our children in regards to immunizations. Highly recommend, she provides research and is very straightforward and diplomatic in sharing extremely useful information - in my opinion.
Well....vaxx pushing Franklin Graham had pericarditis after his 3rd moderna (the booster) and emergency surgery to remove his heart sac that was clamping down on his heart like a death claw...Nov 2021 and his 40's neice had 2 heart attacks jan/april 2022. I cannot for the life of me figure out why they haven't put out a statement to help warn others and to learn from their own misfortune...that is what Overcomers/Believers do is give testimony of their own lessons to help the faith community (those who walk in truth). But that would take humility and being truthful....rather than worshipping deceit $$. I tell you this is exactly what 'money is the root of all evil' means... ppl are decetiful and doing satans work under this spell....they cannot discern truth themselves, that is why they fell for the deceit.
Franklin is NOT his Dad - not made of the same spiritual "cloth" so to speak. I believe he's been swayed by the "wealth and power" greedy world "movers and shakers". I no longer donate to Samaritan's Purse--which I did for over 20 years prior to the past 3 1/2 years of "doom and gloom".
"A lot of people fell for the deciet." Including myself, my husband, and my two adult sons, one of whom has 2 young sons both vaxxed. So now, my only grandkids, ages 11 and 13; the 11 yr old has been diagnosed with CANCER about 2 weeks ago. We are not stupid people; all well educated professionals, but I was the only one to have the time to research the adverse outcomes of the jabs, and regretted my shots immediately (was suckered into it, thinking I would need it to continue teaching Sunday School and to travel to visit my military son in Alaska--and since they were "free...for now" I didn't want to have to shell out a couple hundred buck later for a possibly future-mandated shot). I am devasted. I can't imagine how my son and his wife feel; but so far I think it is just too painful for them to entertain the possibility that they inflicted this on their son by getting him vaxxed. They may never admit it.
I’m so sorry for the difficulties of a cancer diagnosis for your grandson Teresa, and the health of your family being compromised.
I would encourage you, if you were trying to follow the Lord and do what you thought you were all suppose to do by getting vaxxed, take peace in that. If you didn’t think to pray about it or seek the Lord’s wisdom, simply repent for “leaning on your own understanding”, and take peace knowing you are forgiven! 💕
Going forward, know that the Lord can and will, use everything for our good and His glory, that we will give Him. He is working in you and your family. His desire is to draw us closer to Him, and change us more into His likeness. This often requires suffering. Scripture tells us “Jesus learned obedience through the things He suffered.” And He was perfect! So we need to learn even more.
I pray you will not let the enemy steal your joy and peace. (Fear, shame, and condemnation are not from God.). I pray you will see the Lord working, through the cancer, not in spite of it. That you and your family are drawn closer to Him, and bear testimony to His goodness in these difficult circumstances.
We definitely saw His goodness when our 4 1/2 year old was diagnosed and treated for 2 1/2 years for leukemia starting in 2018. She was healed, praise God, but the difficulty of those years was showered with His grace and help. He was working His good will for her and all of us. There were things accomplished that had eternal value during those years that we are so grateful for. We tried to trust the Lord, no matter the outcome, and saw our faith, and the faith of our children, strengthened through the trials.
I pray this gives you encouragement and hope for the new year. 🙏🏼💗
@Rosie…all I can say is beautifully written, and graciously given. I can’t agree with you more! “ALL THINGS work together for good, to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.” Romans 8:28
Thank you. I don't know what to say to properly thank you. Thank you.
Theresa,
You are in my prayers…you and your family. God is not done. He loves you.
the truth does set you free....thank you for that. Your testimony will affect more ppl than my snarky comments...I'm simply so damn mad about the scam that I don't care about offending ppl...I want them to wake up, but most in my circle are doubling down in insanity and argue ad nauseum. I stopped 2 bible studies b/c I can't stand being around the arrogance or at the minimum the willful clueless, and I kept feeling ill after church every week (shedding)! And Listening to all the vaxx injuries/deaths with no dot connecting at all. LOTS of breast cancer, brain injuries, miscarriages and deaths...I don't go to church to get PTSD from the announcements and prayer requests...overload. Praying for ya'll tonight.
Please look up Fenbendizol and it’s treatment for cancer… FenBen substack
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 praying
For the sake of the search engines, the spelling is : fenbendazole
Another reminder I need to be careful with Siri… 😁👍🏽
Agree with what you have said here KB, but just a tidbit to add - it’s not “money” that is the root of all evil but rather “the LOVE of money”……1 Tim 6:10.
Just so you know, I heard straight from his niece that she did NOT have any of the vaccines. We have to be careful that what WE say is factual. Yes I understand Franklin unfortunately took suggested the vaccines be taken, but that doesn’t mean everyone in his family agreed, just like our families, just like us.
All that claim to be of Christ are not all Christians. Test and see if they hold to the doctrine of the sWord or bow and fear men and tradition. Everyone who makes a claim must show proof or be a liar and hypocrite.
“Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants. On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’ Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you people who do wrong. I never knew you.’
Matthew 7:21-23
In my head, I often think to myself that those who offer "advice" should practice saying "Lord, Lord . . ."
Yet, I know that I am great among sinners, and have NO righteousness, other than HIS.
It's a narrow path, indeed . . .
Yes. This is sobering. Especially when so many Christians whom I have know and loved have been so deceived.
Yet, Satan, the Evil One, the one who has for now been allowed to be Prince of the air, is intent upon deception and particularly of Christians.
Well said Tom. I try hard and sometimes fail to first inquire of the Lord before speaking. I fail when I do not wait on the Lord to answer.
The Lord loves me anyway as He takes me through learning patience as He corrects me in the Word. Proverbs 19:20 Listen to advice and accept correction, and in the end you will be wise.
"that even the elect will be deceived". I know it's out of context, but worth it when Christians profess they were doing "the right thing", by being jabbed. So sad for those that want children. My children are very important to me, but one son has chosen not to have children. I don't judge him! I worry for our two granddaughters.
Matt: 24:22
“And unless those days were shortened (last days), no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.””
Thing is, it may not be totally out of context.
Deceptions are built on deceptions. A word or phrase is corrupted and then used to build upon other ideas until a larger idea is built upon a lie.
The fear propagated through the population will also facilitate more self-deception later on. What has been done will have laid the groundwork for yet greater deceptions to come.
The notion that a certain phenomenon is of science and has no spiritual nature is a prime example. Consider the notion of "alien visitors" now showing up on Rogan, Shawn Ryan, and legacy media. It's meant to clothe a demonic phenomenon in "science." One who understands these things are demonic will have a spiritual worldview. Another will dismiss that spiritual worldview because he has an explanation in "science."
The truth that they are fallen angels and demons will be hidden in a lie that has been under construction for a very long time.
Lies are built on other lies, they all come from the same source, and they all work to the same end. Satan was a liar and a murderer from the very beginning.
Scariest Scripture in the Bible.
They knew Him, but He says He never knew THEM.
I personally believe these are demons ruling in human bodies, among us.
Yes. Hypocrites and a lot of "in name only" - like conservative etc. I attended a party of all my former close friends. They are covidians. They were welcoming and seemed anxious to put all their bullcrap and attitudes to me and my family (we are unvaxxed) behind them. I was polite. But after listening to them prattle and talk about their illnesses, I left feeling good I was leaving them behind. Life is too short. I don't have time for BS.
Shake the dust off your feet and move on!
By their fruits we shall know them.
Oh yes.
I think what bothers me the most was the lack of discernment and blind trust in ‘officials’ that I saw my brothers and sisters in Christ exhibiting. We all need to ask for forgiveness for our sins. From the very beginning of this crap it felt like spiritual warfare and very evil, but it was very, very difficult to get most to even consider. I pray for the body of Christ to rise up and get back to serving and trusting the Lord God Almighty!
Thank you for your thoughts. So many do fall for the lies. I agree with your prayer. We forget that what we call church is actually Christians. The body of Christ.
Elitist were blinded by the enemy, satan, liar, and father of lies who is always behind the ‘officials’ who believe his lies. They are deluding themselves that we can not think for ourselves while they listen to the devils whispering.
James said it best when he calls us to resist and to draw near God.
Be subject therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. James 4:7
What a God-sized difference we could make if we all humbly pray: 2nd Chronicles 7:14
Amen! Thank you Coop!
The "think tanks" and "foundations" in our country were planning this scenario for over TEN YEARS. They were hoping for even more DEATHS - their aim and objective is to DE POPULATE the world. Wonder who's going to buy their 'puters' and 'electric vehicles' if they eugenically destroy their "fans" and "consumer base"!!
Russell Moore is an apostate. Happy he left the SBC.
This inhuman Collins is on record justifying and funding the use of aborted baby body parts in “research.” And calling it “pro-life.”
Ewwww - he actually calls it pro-life??!!!
I knew he supported use of organs and parts taken from unwanted live-born babies… I did not know he tried calling it pro-life.
And yes, unfortunately the babies who organs, skin, scalps, and so on are cut out of them for research - those babies must be delivered ALIVE so that the organs, skin, and scalps, and such don’t start deteriorating. Despicable and downright evil and worse. 😭😭😭😭
How depraved have we become? We need to bring back compassion. I read a story once of a woman who wanted to have a baby and abort it to use it’s cells for her sick child. The doctor refused but this was years ago when there was still some ethics in medicine. Pray for us all...Retribution will not be pretty.
What?!? Live born babies have their organs harvested? First I’ve heard of this. Please expound...
You have to do a deep dive to find out. I finally had to stop. The adrenochrome thing with these demonic beings is so heartbreaking. Demons/fallen angels demand the sacrifice of children. And that Hollow-wood and pop culture, politicians are so steeped in it is beyond anything we could have ever imagined.
Before you deep dive into this stuff,you might be well-advised to fast and pray that He cover you during your investigation.
I won’t advise against it. Eyes need to open. We need to know what we are up against, but we need to be bathed in prayer before we start wading in. Be prayerful
And vigilant. But do it. You need to at least begin to know what we are up against.
Yes. The adrenochrome thing is related (evil destruction of children) but separate. I read only one short article about it and was repulsed.
yes we all need to KNOW about ADRENOCHROME.
My bookmarks are on my other device. Lemme link them here later.
Yeah, my stomach, well, I can’t describe the sensations when I read that sometime since late 2020 or early ‘21. I’d always assumed that the organs and tissues taken from aborted babies were taken from the dead babies after the completed procedure. Naive me - when else do doctors use dead organs for something? They don’t. Thus the urgency in a transplant situation - maintain viability of the organ so it can be urgently placed in the new recipient.
And while you are peering into this rabbit hole, look into how Uighyrs (?spelling) are forcibly harvested (and often thus killed) for their organs in China. I’m not even making that up. They are a particular ethnic group hated by the Chinese government and horribly abused and genocided by them. Horrific doesn’t even do it justice. And yes, some are killed for their organs.
I don’t “like” this, but I agree with what’s been said.
the Palestinians have been getting their organs harvested by the Israelis for decades. they do this to prisoners. well known fact.
In Your world.
"Dead tissue is worthless. It is not possible to simply perform an abortion and then after the fact, decide one wants to use the discarded fetus for cell research. Nor is it desirable to do so, according to the University of Pennsylvania’s bioethics guidelines, which state that after the abortion, 'It is not quite the appropriate time, given the emotional stress that this procedure entails. Based on this premise, consent elicited at this time may be regarded as invalid.'[3]
"And from a clinical standpoint, according to Dr. C. Ward Kischer, PhD one of the leading authorities in the nation on human embryology, the abortion must be pre-arranged in order to have researchers available to immediately preserve the tissue.
'In order to sustain 95% of the cells, the live tissue would need to be preserved within 5 minutes of the abortion', stated Dr. Kischer. 'Within an hour the cells would continue to deteriorate, rendering the specimens useless.' [4]"
From https://cogforlife.org/vaccines-abortions/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pittsburgh-live-fetus-organs
https://stream.org/the-cell-lines-used-for-covid-19-vaccines-came-from-carefully-planned-abortions-not-miscarriages/
Ugh. I'd forgotten about this repellant position of his.
When I took public health in grad school two things we learned were: masks do not work and lockdowns do more harm than good. You can't control a virus once it's out and about. It's impossible, unless you are willing to kill huge numbers of people. I specifically remember the professor saying that countries that wear masks (e.g., Asia) do nothing but make themselves feel better, like wearing a security blanky. So, when I saw the "experts" shilling for masks and lockdowns, it was obvious they were either wildly incompetent (childishly so) or they were playing politics.
When the first covid data came out of Italy in late 2019, I read it, did basic math, and said "it's the flu." No one but elderly and sick people were dying, and the estimated IFR based on cases/deaths was identical to the flu. So, when our self-proclaimed "experts" started hyping it as an "equal opportunity killer" that could have as high a fatality rate as 5% (Fauci's words), it was obvious they were either droolingly incompetent or lying. For 4 years now (!) we've been living in the hell created by this initial lie about data that was publicly available.
When the trial data was first available (online years ago at this point) it was clear the shots did more harm than good. In their own trial results! Not to mention the weird side effects: bells palsy, "blue-green" breast milk in mothers, strokes, myocarditis, etc. It was all there. Obviously, the Rx co's lied about the results. But, there is simply no way that the "public health" people didn't know this. Again, they were either ridiculously incompetent or lying.
At that point, I could no longer believe it was all just incompetence. But, hearing them talk now, and hearing them describe their own childish mental processes...it makes me wonder. Maybe they really were that incompetent and that stupid. Based off his own words, Collins is clearly not intelligent enough to hold the job he holds. Maybe they just got played by an Rx co. looking to make a ton of money. IDK. Someone coordinated this across countries, but the people we have access to do not appear intelligent enough to accomplish that.
May 2024 bring us closer to the truth.
If I said it once I said it dozens of times over the last three years--“did no one take high school biology?”
Don't forget the clip of our other bowtie doctor, Peter Hoetz, where he states in April 2020 that the problem with mRNA vaccines is that in animal trials, although the shot didn't kill the aninals, they all died when exposed to another infection. The animal trials failed and they knew it! No incompetence there.
The “equal opportunity” lie reminds me exactly of what he said about HIV/AIDS in the 1980s. I was only in high school when all that was happening, but even I was smart enough to know that (1) not having sex would prevent the disease and (2) having sex only within a single monogamous relationship (aka, marriage) would also prevent transmission. Yet here he was (I didn’t pay attention to it being HIM at the time, but have since learned that HIV/AIDS was verse 1 of the nonsense and COVID verse 2 or something after that) claiming that everyone was at risk Ad that the condition would be rampant amongst heterosexuals within a few years.
The gov't has their pet people they want in their corner, either by bribery or blackmail (Epstein, Clintons, Obamas). They, then, are controlled to say and do what the higher-ups want them to do and say. Collins will be punished in some way. It takes a lot to go through the education to become a physician, but it's a whole lot easier to walk through life lying and cheating your way up the ladder, but don't cross the people who put you there. Collins will have to answer to God, one day. The wonderful thing about our Lord, is that He will be the ultimate judge and juror of what we have done. All can be forgiven and there are no grades to sin. Stealing post-it notes from work is a sin, but is it less than murder or betrayal of trust from gov't officials? Just saying...............
You are absolutely right Copernicus. He didn't do his JOB, he betrayed the world, not just America. I don't know how these vile beings are even able to sleep. I will never understand it, as there is no moral logic to it.
It is demonic.
Like x 1000. Thanks, Copernicus. My thoughts exactly.
I agree 100%.... it certainly was his job to consider the ramifications of these decisions… And I also feel it had a lot to do with money in the pockets… prayers for all the Sheeple who believed, and trusted… I think God every day for that still small voice that told me not to take the jab!!!!!! How many people that I love in my family as well as friends, took the Kool-Aid, and made my life difficult I’m not angry with them… Disappointed others were not willing to at least consider another side. I saw fear in People instead of faith.
Now it is our job to be forgiving and help those who are injured by this shot! Praying that those who have wrecked our country are held accountable.
God will hold every single person accountable for the harm they did to another...he knows what was in their hearts and this CYA apology means nothing.
Call me discerning or call me a cat, but Collins has ALWAYS made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. Mark my words, there is something wrong about him since LONG before the latest great unpleasantness.
Not much in this world is black and white, but the fact is that virtually all of the top level covid enforcers, be they media, government agencies, politicians, doctors, etc, are criminals. Not idiots, not well intentioned people who made mistakes, not people who did not have adequate information. If you were able to get these satanic ghouls to proffer a Hilary Clinton Goldman Sachs conference moment where they are asked what mistakes were made during the plandemic, this is what you would hear. "We expected the virus to be more virulent, the shots more deadly, that we could continue the lockdowns longer to break the will of the unvaxxed to submit to the jabs, that we could control the narrative longer, and better. That the Great Reset would already have happened by now".
That is the mistakes these monsters think they made.
SPOT ON!! Keep sharing these thoughts with your friends and family who are still "asleep", Roland!
EXACTLY RIGHT. any compassion wasted on these monsters will come back to haunt us.
I agree, mistakes were not made. If I, and “elderly” retired nurse with only a modicum of infectious disease training can see the terrible potential for collateral damage by the chosen response, the “pros” saw it, as well. It was all by design. I am never going to be convinced otherwise. Pfizer and Moderna as well as the FDA, CDC and WHO all have “blood on their hands.” I would love to see a day of reckoning but that will not happen. However, I think the public is at least smart enough to not fall for the scam the next time they try it.
Excellent point and sentiment.
it will happen because we are smart enough to get together and DEMAND it. NOTHING LESS>
"These people were idiots, at best." Very generous of you.
Well, that is not the position I personally hold. I tend to align with Dr Yeadon and the others.
But for folks who can’t quite get there, yet… the idiot option is a way station until they can work past the stunned shock and horror of the alternative.
It's the "agree and extend" method of conversion :)
Ah, I understand. I also tread carefully with many as using the metaphorical hammer over their heads does not work.
The behavior of Francis Collins and the blind trust placed in him by so many Christian leaders - especially “intellectuals” like Tim Keller and NT Wright - was one of the most disheartening aspects of the COVID debacle, in my experience. Their inability to even consider the suffering and devastation (both physical and spiritual) caused by their policies exhibited a shocking narrowness of thought. I know they are “mere mortals,” but I expected better from my theological heroes. Lesson learned (I hope).
Yes. I struggled immensely with this as well. And with those same people, and others. We’ve long appreciated N T Wright’s approach to reading the Bible and Paul and spiritual growth. We were in a church modeled after Redeemer NYC, and then had to leave as our church became covid tyrants and purveyors of racial wokeness in the riots. 😭
It has been quite sobering to see that absolutely ALL denominations and groups are derailed in some fashion. Either by walking in lockstep with the tyranny. Or, for those like John MacArthur who refused to close (bravo), are riddled with other weights that encumber when it comes to how women are treated within marriage and the church and/or how they counsel regarding abuse (that was an entirely different rabbit hole I discovered when researching his response to lockdowns).
It’s a sobering and hard reminder to keep our eyes fixed on Jesus first. And yet, we need Christian community face to face here while we await our face to face with Jesus.
I’ve been so grateful for the spiritual comradery here at C&C.
Apparently I need to spend more time in the C&C comments section, then! We left our church for the same reasons, made worse by the fact that our small group had a front row seat to our family’s suffering, but refused to stand with us or even acknowledge the reality of it when an opportunity came to help - because to do so would’ve involved admitting a chink in the narrative. We left- but I am not confident that other congregations in the area, including our new one, would’ve behaved any differently.
The C&C comments are as valuable as Jeff’s posts, just in different ways. I have learned a lot and would love to meet some of the folks here in person. We’ve joked at times about having our pen names over our heads like gamer tags, in heaven.
I’m so sorry about your church experience. It is truly painful. And even more so the small group experience.
We left our church, as I said, and landed for the last almost two years in a congregation that closed for only the briefest of times and whose pastors did not require the various masks and such. In fact, they even wrote letters for their folks seeking REs for the death jabs. I would not have trusted anyone in our prior church to have written a strong letter, should we have needed one.
We are actually moving to another church because we miss the rich (although NOT high church!) liturgy of the old church AND more importantly need a different approach to spiritual growth than what is taught at the current church. But, like you, I was leery of ending up back in a church that would cave to government next time ‘round. Because we all know there WILL BE a next time in one form or another.
I actually emailed the pastor of the new place and bluntly asked how they handled things before and what would they do differently next time. He replied with a quite detailed answer, including the congregational letter he sent the congregation in March ‘20, in which he largely said, as Jeff has said, “Do not fear!”
I hope you are able to find some likeminded community in some fashion or another. 🙏🏻
Most organized religion has been subverted in numerous ways. It's a challenge.
It's becoming more important to read the Bible with every passing day .
Amos 8:11 (ESV)
'“Behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord God, “when I will send a famine on the land— not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord.'
In my career, for some reason, I have been hired by 5 "good Christians". Four of them were decidedly NOT: liars, cheaters, stealers, mean as a honey badger... I automatically distrust anyone who tries to use their Christianity to curry favor.
My current boss is truly a Christian, and a wonderful woman to work for.
The ones who are true Christians in my experience are also the ones who don’t advertise it. They just live their lives following Christ and are very humble about it.
And when people were crying out in despair because their children were being harmed, their families were being torn apart, relationships were being strained and broken, violence was increasing, people were dying in hospitals alone, and the vax injuries were showing up, we were told to shut up. We were called grandma killers and anti vaxxers. We were treated like lepers and attacked every night on the news and late night shows. We were told that we were uneducated rubes and that we shouldn’t be allowed in society if we didn’t allow ourselves to be experimented on. The worst sin in the history of the world was to show up somewhere without a mask. And this is only a small round up of all the atrocities that Collins was complicit in. And he can only say that mistakes were made. It’s so insulting and infuriating because the reality of the harms and evil that took place has been devastating and I believe it was intentional. May God have mercy on his soul and help me to forgive.
I actually DID start watching the entire video of the event, but I couldn't stomach it for very long. The format was thus:
"On a variety of covid-related topics, I am going to ask you to tell me what you got wrong, and also what the other side got right."
The first topic was masks, and the question went to Collins. He said that first of all before he could answer, he needed to lay out some foundational info, and he started talking about how he wasn't in charge of policy making, and also vaccines, vaccines, vaccines. I gave up listening before he ever got to masks.
EDIT: Dr. Vinay Prasad made a video discussing the answers Collins gave in the video. https://youtu.be/9GSLKeq315M?si=L6-6GNd8N42iqUSO
Agreed. There is a word of advice for Collins.....REPENT.
Exactly!