Charlie Kirk fundraising smashes records and multiplier kicks off; VP Vance hosts Kirk’s podcast debut; NYT sees only dark omens; Florida sparks a fresh embrace of Constitutional norms; more.
You guys! I was listening to the Mike Rowe podcast (the Dirty Jobs guy) that dropped this morning while I was getting dressed and such, and he mentioned that he started reading this guy, Jeff Childers!
He spent several minutes talking about one of Jeff’s recent columns and what he said, and how well he said it. Wow, Jeff’s really getting around. I was so surprised when Jeff’s name popped out but also… we all know how awesome Jeff is and I’m glad other people are figuring it out.
My friends and family are always asking where do you get your news from. I gladly tell them about Jeff and Coffee and COVID. Great resource!! As my first act of righteous anger I’m now a monthly contributor $$ to TPUSA. We have a chapter here in Knoxville to volunteer with, but with my mature age I felt a monthly donation may be best. I will continue to pray for our children as they are Satan’s main target.
Yes, I am so happy we are doing a multiplier. I had already donated on another GiveSendGo that was set up for Charlie but happy to donate again. Will also be leaving money for TPUSA in my will to carry on Charlie's good work!
My guess is that TPUSA will need extra funding now that over 30,000 organizations have applied for chapter membership. TPUSA can create millions of Charlies with thousands of new chapters.
Agree. But the chapters are vetted at the ground level. We had a HS field rep speak at our R women's meeting yesterday. She said 2 of her chapters held their first meetings of the school year on Friday and that both saw an increase of over 50 kids in attendance.
Given that most of the Chapters here have come with a lot of bashing by the left, stepping up and attending is 'risky' for these kids. They came anyway. She is in talks with a teacher who has stepped up to lead a chapter in one of our local HS and has at least a dozen students who have already stepped up willing to join.
This is huge! The last time our district tried to launch a TPUSA chapter at one of the high schools there was practically a riot where furniture was broken and the room was trashed. Made the Daily Wire. https://www.dailywire.com/news/high-school-students-disrupt-tpusa-event-with-jeers-taunts-smash-glass-table What happened next? Nothing. The teachers sponsoring the group backed down and no others stepped forward. If the kids who rioted got consequences, they were little more than a slap on the wrist. The young woman who led the effort worked for TPUSA briefly in college and is now a staffer for a member of Congress in Southern MO.
Just saying, anyone here who steps up is not going to be a plant - they are walking into the lion's den.
So good to see the enthusiasm to start more chapters and increased attendance. Does the heart good. Makes me wish I was in high school again to take part as a student. Good to know you are confident no one will be a plant and I hope you are right. We will keep these young men and women in our prayers that God continues to shine their lights in this world and their parents too. They know what their kids could face and bravely let them try to make a difference in places that are antagonistic.
Hard to believe that a semi riot occurred at that high school. The more and more clear it becomes to me that evil will find a way to cause mayhem no matter what venue. I do not think it suprises any of us that a slap on the hand was thought a just consequence.
Well this good news has made my day and I thank you for that. Stay safe and healthy Donna.
Multiplier done before even reading CC - and of course I feel better - and it was my second donation to Charlie since his horrible assassination. And I have been donating to Turning Point for years. Please everyone give what you can. We can still make a tremendous difference in his name and memory.
After a few years of getting the free C& C email, I decided to dump my 45 years of WSJ subscriptions. It has become a liberal rag. That more than freed up the funds to subscribe to C& C. I, rightly, said that Mr. Childers has made such a differnce in our lives (and many others), he deserves my financial support. C&C's arrival each day is now a highlight. I read it like an anchorwoman to my better half. He sits enjoying the show. I've become good at getting through all the multi syllable words on the fly.
Another “mature” C&C reader here in Lebanon, TN. I’m a bit surprised that Mike Rowe wasn’t aware of Jeff, but am thrilled that he is now.
Charlie was the age of our sons. This hit HARD. I’m crying again as I write this. We’ve watched and listened to him since the very beginning. I’m heartbroken for his family, his friends and the entire world, but mostly for the generations that will grow up without him. He was a once-in-a-lifetime talent. As much as I detest social media and the digital spaces, I’m grateful that through that media Charlie will live on. Kids who weren’t familiar with him are watching his videos and listening to his podcasts. My hope is that leaders in that age group will learn and emulate what Charlie aspired to. He can’t be replaced, but he can inspire and teach.
I ordered my husband the same Tshirt that Charlie was wearing the day he was murdered from his podcast website https://thecharliekirkshowstore.com/collections/tees as a way to support TPUSA, but I really like the idea of a monthly subscription. Thanks for the suggestion. 🙏🏼
Don't count yourself short Kat. Our younger generation needs us grey hairs and no hairs to be present. We have experience and wisdom the younger leaders don't have. Yes, Charlie was a gifted anomaly, but while, speaking for myself, cant keep up with the younger set physically and in technology, I can lend a presence of age and stability. Use your gift as you are led. This fight isn't over till it's over. Blessings!
The globalist game masters LOVE reactions like this. We really have no idea yet who actually killed him. None of the FBI’s story makes sense and there are more holes than a chain link fence. But go ahead and start frothing for a civil war. That’s exactly what they want.
I’m with you on that! The ‘narrative’ that the Gubment (FBI) and the Utah “Authorites’ are peddling, just doesn’t jive, and has SO many holes in it. Don’t be fooled. Tyler Robinson is this “event’s” “Lee Harvey Oswald”. Just watch. 🤔😵💫🧐
Listen to Candace Owens. She digs veeery deep and she will get to the bottom of it! If they don't take her out first. She has to have extra security but man you don't want to mess with her. They say she is controversial but if you actually listen from the beginning of each new "dig" you get where she is coming from.
Try listening to her. She doesn’t hate Jews. She believes their government is corrupt and running OUR government, which is true. The people are not the problem.
I was an emergency responder. I hear about victims all the time. Yes, it is AWFUL for them. I pray for them. But, in your prayers, please think of the first responders who must carry with them all the horrors they see and deal with day after day. Year after year. We handle it, but we are most comfortable, like all PTSD people, when we are with "our own." Nobody else can fathom what is in our brains and how we view the so called normal world. Not whining. We are glad to do what we do/did so the rest of the world can have normal lives. It's what we do.
A good friend from high school is a retired Firefighter. His last 3 years, he would me call me when he had a bad days. The first time he called, he asked me if I really believed in God like I talk about on FB. From there, we had many talks about God, forgiveness, heaven, purgatory and hell. I am glad to say he has been retired for 5 years and is doing wells
Perhaps give this a look. This gave me goose bumps. Has some graphic scenes of Charlie. Please all of you who think something else happened that day, watch this utube. Around the 13:40 mark is point of great interest that believe guy in custody is a patsy. The whole utube was very informative about alternative theories as to why he was shot.
Very often, it is what it is. Occam's razor. Our problem is that the government has lied so often to us about matters like MK Ultra, JFK, the Gulf of Tonkin, Building 7, and The Affordable Care Act- that people are now seeing lies and deception about virtually everything. Coming up with crazy theories about everything. Surprised I haven't seen a piece about George Soros at the wheel of Robinson's getaway vehicle.
Be careful! Of the two people he identified as possibly in on the assassination - the one in white is Frank Turek, long time friend of TPUSA and friend of Charlie. Alisa Childers has already made a podcast debunking that the "man in white" was giving "signals" to some off scene shooter.
Some conspiracies need to be put to rest quickly. I don't know who this podcast speaker is - but he uses to be blaming Israel? Respectfully, I don't think I follow or believe his information.
I had completely forgotten about the 'god voice' to skull technology which makes perfect sense as to how a presumed patsy was or could be controlled. This technology has been around for a long now. It's real. And therefore the assertion of patsy control by technological means is credible. And ViaVeritasVita's comment about the pistol being an aluminium frame clears up my question about the alleged weapon looking shiny, unlike most handguns.
Scrutiny over Kirk's murder is going to be as big and as enduring as with that of the Kennedy assassination. My first suspicion that Israel/Mossad was or might have been involved seems to be widely shared now. Why? First, the out of control Israel government does not shy away from killing people. And in point of fact, murder is a standard procedure in furthering Israeli policy. And now that shaming words no longer work, what else has the criminal syndicate posing as a country have left to them to shut up high profile influencers? Murder when all else fails is Cancel Culture on steroids.
I had posted today these links elsewhere today in Comments:
1) Charlie Kirk Assassination, Psy Op Frenzy & The Study They Don’t Want See
Lori… thankyou for posting; we’re on the same track of discovery…. A very dangerous one… see my comment as well. The implications if fact are calculable or perhaps incalculable considering the consequences for our country… BB’s threats against anyone who speaks against “them”… geez 🙉🙈🙊😱
The Ideal Conceal IC380 is an aluminum-framed, striker fired pistol chambered in .380ACP and has two 3 inch barrels. The grip folds over the trigger guard to allow the gun to resemble a cell phone in your pocket.
He's a patsy alright, but that doesn't mean he wasn't involved or isn't responsible for the kill shot. George Webb seems to think someone else did the actual killing, but we really just don't know yet (maybe never will). What IS known is that the kid was already being actively recruited as a minor for eventual military service by his uncle who is involved in developing mercs, including snipers, for service in the Ukraine (Crooks & Routh both had those same kind of connections). Webb outlines all the evidence that Robinson was involved in a covert sniper program using Mormon mission cover.
Hola Willing Spirit! 😉 Watch Candace Owen’s recent posts on Charlie. What happened this summer out in The Hamptons with the “billionaire hedge fund manager”, Bill Ackman, and Babylon Bee’s founder Seth Dillon? Do you know about that?
She weaves a bit of a ‘different narrative” than what you are weaving. And BTW Candace and Charlie go “way back” and were close friends.
I think that is a reach to blame Israel. There has clearly been a lot of violence on the left especially over the weeks prior to Charlie. The left are like rabid dogs that just feed on the violence. Someone is feeding them hate and putting these ideas into their heads.
That we likely will never know. “They” want you to think this is a “left/right” issue. It’s not.
Take a listen to this piece from Chase Hughes, a former military intelligence person (Navy 20 tears), and expert on human behavioral science and brainwashing.
Fortunately, the children were not there in person to see it. They were being watched at home from what I can gather, and Erika may not have seen the killing in person at the event either, though I'm sure she saw the hideous video of it afterwards.
It was heartbreaking that she had to return home and face the thought of what do I tell my one-year-old and three-year-old about why Daddy isn't coming home.
She viewed the video of her husband absorbing the full impact and weight of a high caliber rifle round — with his neck. His entire body shudders from the impact. Blood flows out as though from a water fountain or more like a garden hose — It’s horrifying. He’s dead IMHO, almost instantly. To watch his hands go up, in helplessness, and then drop the mic as he falls over….
His children will someday see that video. The internet is forever.
I’m supposed to forgive. I know this. Im having a very hard time forgiving the left right now. Maybe with time and prayer.
That’s if you think ANY of those videos are real. Why do we not see ANY videos from any of the hundreds of cell phones that were taking videos at the event? We have seen NONE of those videos from actual people who were there at the moment it “allegedly” occurred. Just sayin’…🧐🤔🕵🏼♀️
I started reading Coffee & Covid a few months ago and now it is part of my daily morning reads. The Prophecy Update Newsletter moved from email to Substack, and I’m so glad it did! I had never used Substack before, and now I have a library full of awesome Christian and Conservative writers.
I found CC when I was getting blowback from not vaxxing. September 2021. The month I truly left the left. I had an actual spiritual epiphany where the left betrayal was laid before me.
I was raised by a Christian mom, had conservative values, but remained very libertarian (live and let live). After being burned out on sports talk radio one morning at work in 2006 I was looking for something to listen to and came across The Mark Levin show. It jumpstarted me to start taking more responsibility in our body politic.
I also was desperate to find sanity in the Plandemic days, and I stumbled across Jeff Childers. I watched as joy returned to my spirit, and regained my trust in the Lord throughout that time.
I had that same epiphany a few years ago, for different reasons, but still bringing me away from the left. It's truly remarkable, isn't it? You can never go back to what you used to be.
Covid nudged me but it was the morning God forced me into really knowing where the child trans ideology comes from and who is behind it. The left promotes and moves a plan from Satan. I have a trans grandkid. Kid.
At the beginning of lockdown I got a call from my daughter (1000 miles away) that our only grandchild (14yo and on the spectrum) was transitioning from a girl to a boy. I had no idea what this was. I didn’t even know what to think but had no influence at all. We had no access to her or the parents. I think the devil picked this very time during lockdown to implement the big plan on children. We didn’t communicate much and knew she was getting the drugs. My daughter is one you don’t question but I think the kid was threatening suicide. Common threat.
By 2021 I was busy resisting the jab and the the nasty shit I was getting from others. I also was seeing where much of this Covid mess was coming from—the democrats. But was terribly worried about my granddaughter. One day I was in my bedroom and telling myself—what about the doctors and therapists she saw—she was mildly autistic. Why would they all push this? I truly heard a still small voice answer me “Because they are all in on it”. I woke up. Completely. I couldn’t sleep for a long time until I called to God. It was a frightening time for many of us. Knowing the trans thing made it worse. But I did get clarity that day.
In many ways Jeff is an older age version of Charlie. He has many of the same skills: insightful, articulate, big picture vision with practical command of details, strategic, etc.
It's not just Jeff. It's also all the rest of you who get up every day and try to sort out the insanity that is the world, putting words to your thoughts and keeping an open mind and an open heart as to what we could/should do to make a difference. As Tiny Tim, said, "God Bless Us Every One!"
That’s great news! Maybe Jeff will help ol’ Mike get off the fence he’s been sitting on for years. I love many things Mike does and says, he’s a very smart guy, but in the past he just couldn’t commit to the right side. I think he probably started life as a moderate democrat and is finally seeing the light.
IMHO, Mike runs a huge non-profit and alienating anyone doesn’t benefit his mission. I’d love to go back to the days where we don’t know every’s politics, and just treat everyone respectfully, regardless.
I think he has always been conservative but to prevent being completely cancelled by the scumbags he didn't go all in - publicly - all of his shows were more conservative in nature in an industry which shuns it out of hate and stupidity. I think this endorsement of Jeff is a sign he is going all in and is also a result of Charlie's assassination.
I think so too. He reminds me of the All-In guys (well, 3 of them). They’re conservative from the point of view that they’re practical and want strong business, not because they’re team Republican.
Definitely. He subtly campaigned for Trump in the last election. I remember him auctioning off some Trump memorabilia in support of his organization. Like Jeff, he’s a great writer and communicator, usually witty and fun to read.
I saw that as well. I listen to his podcast intermittently but I also noticed a subtle but obvious pro-Trump position. I do think he’s more of a realist (eg, wants a strong CA for business) than an active politics follower, but I could be wrong.
Like me it can happen in a moment of God given clarity. With one thought. God works in mysterious ways and indeed answers prayers. 🙏🏻 Mike let’s that happen.
What would you bet it's already in the works? Covid Litigation Conference, two years; Heritage Foundation....the man is making himself known. Does he also write for Brownstone? No--just checked. Or rather, not yet. Toby Rogers is there, Bill Rice is, and twice. Pierre Kory, Robert Malone.
That is fabulous Valerie, thanks for sharing! Mike Rowe is awesome and good to see him giving Jeff well deserved admiration and attention. Jeff will grow much bigger with this endorsement.
Mike was so complimentary about Jeff and I have no doubt this will cause more people to follow him. He even named Coffee and Covid so what a great plug! Kudos to Mike Rowe:]
Unfortunately Demwit subs are growing ever bigger everyday on their unholy bloviating substacks. Bill Rice has the depressing statistics. It’s suspicious because many big names have few likes or comments but huge sub numbers.
This gave me goose bumps. Has some graphic scenes of Charlie. Please all of you who think something else happened that day, watch this utube. Around the 13:40 mark is point of great interest to those that believe guy in custody is a patsy. The whole utube was very informative about alternative theories as to why he was shot.
I would like more info on the private plane that took off after the shooting & the transponder was turned off. Getaway for the real shooter? Thanks, Lori, for posting this.
The only reason is to purposely avoid being tracked. There is no practical reason says a pilot friend. People do it for illegal uses. Or a government …
I have seen with disgust the many videos promoting various conspiracy theories. By my count, its an adult male at the front of the audience, a guy to Charlie’s direct right, a bodyguard to his back left and the infamous “military signaler” in white directly behind him. I am sure that I have missed some. Its turning into one extremely populated “grassy knoll”.
This is a horrible rumor going around. The rumor states that the guy standing behind Charlie in the white ball cap was signaling the shooter after he touched the brim of the cap and scratched his cheek: TOTAL BS. The guy's name is Frank Turek. He is an devout Christian and Charlie's very good friend and mentor.
Please do everything to dispel this slander against a good man.
Thank you for sharing this and giving the timestamp!! I really appreciate it.
I don’t want to shame people asking questions, I’d rather see us say, “it’s understandable that you would be suspicious about all the odd things surrounding this assassination, but let me put your concerns to rest about this one particular man …” That gives grace and understanding to the person sharing wrong information and then it corrects the mistaken information or wrongful insinuation. Edifying for everyone.
Yes as Christians we have to refrain from gossip, but we also have been inundated with lies and deception for many years, drowning in it actually. We wouldn’t shame an abused wife for flinching at a potluck when a nearby man raises his arm to scratch his back, and accuse her of jumping to conclusions about a kind and innocent man. I think the reactions of some people are similar to that. We have all been socially and emotionally abused for a decade, and lied to by our government.
But I really do trust Patel and Bongino. I do feel we need to let them work.
The guy in white is his very good friend and mentor Frank Turek. Go to his instagram and see the statement for yourself. He was most definitely NOT involved!
He was shot from the side not the front if that video is accurate so I am leaning to the big guy on his right that appeared to have a weapon and then move back into the crowd after he shot. Keeping open mind though.
Lori, I do agree with keeping an open mind at this stage of the investigation. I pray that the investigators can sort it all out. Given all our evidence with the suppression of evidence its going to be a mess with a lot of unanswered questions.
Juraj Vascik… (and Lori)… do we really think there will be a thorough investigation??? The majority of our elected et al., representatives are sworn to A I P A C 😱🙊🙉🙈
Ya no not me. The scene was not preserved not even a little. An Autopsy? What I can figure out under Utah law all gunshots are autopsied. Where is the bullet? That’s a huge piece of evidence. I’m just pissed
Guess you know about the New York Declaration at the UN on Sept 12th? Considering the focus on the assassination, I wouldn’t be surprised if you missed it.
Yes I am afraid so too. This is why it is imperative we consider different angles and reasons like the utube above so we can discern as best we can what may have been the real reason and who backed it.
When I initially watched the full video, I noticed a double report from what I assumed at the time was the sniper rifle, but it was odd. I actually thought it was two shots in a row from a semi auto. That couldn’t be, we’re told the rifle was a bolt action.
We’ll never know the truth either. We’ll be told the bullet matched the ammo they found, and a 30.06 bullet looks nothing like a 9mm, .40 or .45 bullet, or any other handgun round.
With kindness: As someone who currently owns 4 silencers for various caliber guns and rifles, I can state with some authority that a “silencer” will only truly silence a .22 and only if you are shooting a “subsonic” round. I can fire my 9mm and 45 without wearing ear protection when the silencer is on the gun, but it’s STILL LOUD AS HELL. And the silencers is a very long extension attachment on the barrel. No one pulled out a gun, fired it within a few feet and hid the gun again without anyone noticing the sound, EVEN if silenced. In fact, if a nearby shooter was using a silencer it would be EVEN more unlikely he could have hidden the gun after firing without being noticed by everyone around him - the silencer extends a hand gun barrel to the point that it almost looks like a rifle barrel. I find this “close proximity shooter” inconsistent with the reality of the loud noise and the attention it will draw. Can you imagine standing around with 10 friends, and someone pulls out a gun and fires it and tries to quickly hide the gun again? As though you might not notice?!? Not possible. Unlike in the movies, silencers don’t really “silence.” They reduce the bang, a bit, but not THAT much (sub-sonic rounds in a .22 excepted - nearly silent, but again, you’re now swinging an 12” to an 14” barrel and hoping no one sees it - a .22 silencer adds roughly 4”-7” to a 4” to 7” barrel - someone will surely quibble about the inches of an typical 22 barrel or shorter or longer suppressors, but they’re longer than a typical barrel and no one is whipping one out and firing and hiding it. Plus, the impact, and the way Charlie’s body shakes and shudders… which I will never forget… it was a high caliber rifle round, not a .22 or any handgun at close range).
i heard on "Today's Issues" on AFN that Frank Turek is one of the guys the conspiracy theorists targeted. Very sad. He is a friend of Charlie's. His ministry organization also speaks at college campuses. www.crossexamined.org
Conspiracy theories have a way of being proved true these days, but still: what exactly is the benefit of doubting the public story here?
I find it very believable that the arrested suspect, who grew up around guns and later managed to get thoroughly blackpilled from the Left, saw an opportunity for him and his demons to deal a blow to civilization.
Jeff laid out the mentality behind these violent minds very well yesterday.
Do you think Vance and Bongino would participate in a cover up about this? Why should we automatically doubt the facts as presented? Is it just a reflexive skepticism of any official story, or is there actually a good reason to doubt here?
Finally, what would Charlie's take on this situation be (assuming he wasn't the victim)?
As the FBI has said, it's possible there were more people involved, but I'm personally confident they would have behind the scenes conspirators, not additional shooters.
How do you know it’s garbage? What evidence can you present to believe so wholly that it is garbage? I don’t know if what we have been told so far is the whole story or not, or if this video is garbage or not, but I do know that the FBI and DOJ have made it clear that the investigation is ongoing about whether or not there is additional parties involved, and they even say they aren’t showing all their cards and that would obviously be for good reason, as Patel himself said yesterday, they aren’t going to tip off others they are looking into. There is NOTHING wrong with asking questions about all these oddities at this point, and your desire to shut Lori down and shame her for pointing something out that she saw makes you look worse than her.
Take a step back and calm down. People have a right to doubt and ask questions after all that we have been through the past decade.
You know Kat, I appreciate that you have a visceral reaction against people that seem like they are trying to push their pet cause or make a name for themselves on Charlie's death. It comes from a decent place, I mean that sincerely.
But you may want to consider that the bad guys use our emotional reactions against us. They use it to shut down debate, informed speculation, and people running down things for themselves. It's a manipulative trick they use very effectively to make people not question the official narrative.
As a perfect example, everything we now know about covid and the MRNA vax was from people who wouldn't do what they were told, who kept pushing "conspiracy theories, despite being angrily told their recklessness was "killing grandma".
The people doing this stuff want you upset, fearful, and angry because they know when people are in this mindset they make bad decisions and are easy to control. That's the entire purpose of the evening news and most media, and has been since at least WW2. It's propaganda to manipulate our emotions.
Yes there are plenty of dirtbags out there spouting nonsense they know isn't true to make a name for themselves (we saw this during Covid with Stu Peters and his ilk with vaccine "nanobots"). But there were also plenty of informed people who smelled BS, and figured out exactly why the vax was dangerous and seriously contaminated.
And we really don't know the whole story here I won't be at all surprised is some of the stuff people are calling "garbage" turns out to be exactly true. Don't let yourself be manipulated like this, they want you angry at the wrong things because then you won't think clearly.
One of the harder things for me was to figure out when people are saying things in bad faith vs. still being under the spell of the manipulators.
I gradually realized the bad faith people (and there are a handful on here) really do show their hand pretty clearly. They change their line of attack sometimes 180 degrees when something isn't working. They put words in people's mouths that they didn't say. They exaggerate and twist pretty much everything in extremely dishonest proportions. They attempt to invoke false guilt.
This is all sociopathic behavior, yet it's like breathing to some people. These people deserve to be called out as the shameless liars they are. They count on other people being passive and too "nice" to call them out. I sincerely believe it's cowardice to not call these people out as treating them with civility enables them. Christ wasn't civil to the Pharisees after all.
I don't get that at all with Kat. She's passionate but well-meaning, and hopefully with time will realize that getting upset clouds one's judgment which is exactly what the provocateurs count on.
My complaint was most of these attachments had nothing to do with the Kirk assassination but yet the post said otherwise. The one I opened was about Israel and their unwarranted bombings, of Qatar and Gaza. Oh BTW Hamas still hasn’t freed all the Israeli hostages. So unwarranted bombing is hardly an accurate statement.
Amen. Just stop. I second this (apart from the “hate” part). Wait. Let Kash and Bongino work, because… THE LEFT MURDERED CHARLIE KIRK IN FRONT OF HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN.
"What Charlie Kirk has built is fairly called a signature accomplishment. But there’s so much more. Maybe most importantly, Charlie taught the rest of us that it could be done. He practically rubbed our faces in the fact that young people are not a lost cause."
It's easy to imagine the evil ones wanting to 'do something' about that!
I get it. We lost an amazing hero no doubt but nothing is as it seems IMHO.
I stay off social media mostly but happened to see Erica's coffin farewell and thought it disgusting and tasteless like a bad PR stunt. Was that real? Are they insulting our intelligence, good faith, and morals in filming and posting that? That alone makes me sick. It seems they manipulated her to do it, and her speech seemed forced on her.
Media is turning it into a show and how dare we question??? Who knows but I am not going to get all worked up over it because they want us to and more division is accomplished.
Since when has the government given us truth? They manipulate and fear monger us with tragic events historically, not that events didn't happen, but that they use them to manipulate... real and faked events. Who said "you never want a serious crisis to go to waste?" Several people have said something similar. Our reality is what they tell us.
You don't think righteous leaders are taken out to further a one world gov?
If we don't question, then they take advantage of us. For example, if most people questioned the ridiculous masks and covid lockdowns etc, many lives and psyche could have been saved in hospitals and children's schools etc.
I am only a sheep to Jesus the good shepherd. Its the only truth we get.
I don’t think that coffin pic was real but I can’t be in the same shoes as Erika. I remember Jackie Kennedy wore the stained with her husbands blood clothing home on the plane with JFKs coffin because she said she wanted the world to see it. What “they” did to him. If that wasn’t Erika, I’m sure she did the same thing.
If the coffin show wasn't real then nothing they show us is real.
Plus, Jackie not changing an outfit was not a strange and awful thing to do like filming yourself or allowing it while kissing your dead husband's hands. That was pure PR. They are making hand over fist from the show whether real or not.
It is terrible what they are doing to his memory and I am not watching it or donating. They don't need it and the message it sends is that we believe the whole show IMHO. I am sad and disgusted about it at the same time.
I just remember Jackie saying thats why she wore that pink suit home. Her companions urged her to change. I was a sophomore in HS and devastated by the event and the young family exposed to such tragedy. I still have some newspapers tucked away. I know all the theories around but still I think of that terrible weekend and how everyone felt. We will never know the definitive truth not this recent trag dy either.
Some of us like discussion that is why we come to the comments. Don’t shut down discussion because you’re uncomfortable. Have you not learned anything?
Juju says it right. And your comment seems flippant in the same way which the radicals use to shut down any and all investigation.
Well, this 'garbage' is going to get huge scrutiny, because like the Kennedy assassination, what happened to Charlie is one of the really, really big events of the early 21st century. And already the 'more official' narrative has more hole in it than Swiss cheese.
Do not get CNN or any of the other alphabet news channels. I got my news from Charlie and now from Jeff Childers, el Gato. Bill Whittle and a few others on Substack.
There are those on here who oppose anything and everything about Israel or Jew. They are part of the leftist haters, but pretend they are on the right.
Many of them are on here, making many comments, daily.
They are shrewd and talk conservative until Israel comes up and then they make snarky and sometimes malevolent comments.
False. Quite false. Step out of the dispensational bubble and you'll find other denominations that don't think so highly of Israel because their eschatology is different. They are not leftists.
Funny how Judaism / Israel doesn't hate on any other religion or country -- unless they're trying to eradicate Judaism / Israel. You might want to contemplate who it is who should NOT be thought so highly of.
Antisemetic smears alert. Yeah, the Jews did it because Charlie had become a supporter of Hamas with serious questions about the October 7 massacre (the Jews masterminded the massacre and applauded the murders, the hostage taking and the desecration of Jewish corpses in the streets of Gaza after, because it benefited them??) and the right of the Jewish people to fight back and rid themselves of the threat to their tiny nation./s/
This is some serious and nasty )Jew hating bullsh*t and shame on you for cursing Israel when she is in a five front war for survival.
"We always give the public their heroes. We give the heroes to every faction, and then people once they hear this person say all the right things, we give releases to them because he or she speaks for ‘me’. We say go there go do that and they do it. We give our power to the authorized heroes." Albert Pike Scottish Freemason
I’m my opinion, people like you already hated Israel. Perhaps you were taught that growing up or you just listened to so much MSDNC that you are simply crazy. But we KNOW that YOU latch on to EVERYTHING hateful against Israel.
We already KNOW.
And you want everyone you know to hate Israel as well.
Israel isn’t perfect. But guess what?
WE, our VERY OWN NATION is the biggest child trafficker nation in the world.
Actually…. No…. I was of the dispensational sort that supported Israel whole heartedly… I felt that since everyone supposedly hated Israel that had the right to act with impunity…it is only in the last couple of years my eyes have been opened.
I support Israel as a nation… I just don’t believe, as with other Christian leaders, that there is a theological basis for it’s existence
Except that God is the creator of all nations….
Here is the question, I speak out against what Israel does, but I pray for the salvation of the Jews…
Some would say that still makes me anti semite.
By the way, I don’t listen to mainstream media except for Fox.
And yes our country is truly under the judgement of God almighty!
Cowards! You make these claims and produce all this hearsay garbage that Charlie cannot respond to.
Well, I don’t doubt that good people might be concerned that Charlie might somehow fall into whatever dark hole that Tucker and Owens have dropped into.
Tell me that’s not about money and attracting and keeping a certain hateful base.
Hating Jews, cursing Israel is the popular position now; right in there with the demonic Left and all its branches.
Cowards! You make these claims and produce all this hearsay garbage that Charlie cannot respond to.
Well, I don’t doubt that good people might be concerned that Charlie might somehow fall into whatever dark hole that Tucker and Owens have dropped into.
Tell me that’s not about money and attracting and keeping a certain hateful base.
Hating Jews, cursing Israel is the popular position now; right in there with the demonic Left and all its branches.
Half baked thought - what if younger people being much more willing to dehumanize the political opposition has to do with a lack of empathy - which has to do with being on the autism spectrum?
In other words, what if the massive number of people gloating over Charlie Kirk's murder has to do with vaccine injuries?
“Vance made a clear distinction between registered democrats and “a lunatic fringe on the far left.” -that’s because there is clear and distinct difference, unfortunately, many have chosen to isolate the good folks in Blue, lumping them all into the same basket. How unfortunate: they are Americans and entitled to their opinion and beliefs. The Draconian pendulum swings both ways and the ever-increasing surveillance state will prove that to you. And it’s a coming and currently wearing Red so….
[24] ¶The Lord bless you, and keep you [protect you, sustain you, and guard you]; [25] ¶The Lord make His face shine upon you [with favor], And be gracious to you [surrounding you with lovingkindness]; [26] ¶The Lord lift up His countenance (face) upon you [with divine approval], And give you peace [a tranquil heart and life].’
My dad used to bless me before bed every night with that verse. I continue the tradition by blessing my son with that same verse every night. Thank you for posting as that is very meaningful to me.
I first heard this when we were visiting Arugot Farms in the Judean Hills outside of Jerusalem. Our hosting Rabbi Jeremy Gimpel prayed this over us upon our departure. It is in our daily prayers. What a humbling reminder of our worldly community connection. Shalom Shalom
The NY Times reaction to Vance is quite telling. It reminds me of when Florida expanded the death penalty to include child rapists, and several trans activists claimed they felt personally threatened. As the meme says: “What an odd thing to say."
I keep my NYTimes subscription to read the comments section. The theme of the top comments to the article Jeff linked to were "welcome to Authoritarianism". They have a serious "the boy who cried wolf" problem because they've been saying this for 10 months.
I don’t want to support NYT so I don’t have a subscription, even though I would like to occasionally read articles. Such was the case last week, the day before Charlie was assassinated (such perfect timing, almost like they knew in advance…) when they ran a big piece on Nick Fuentes. So I went to my local library to read the 9/9 article and it wasn’t there in the print edition. I’m wondering if it only appeared digitally?
I watched Fuentes's show once and that was enough. He did a "response" video after Tucker and Candace criticized him on Tucker's show, so I watched that. He's just such and obnoxious jerk, I wouldn't care what he was saying - it's hard to tolerate that much negativity. Anyway, I read the NYTimes article and at least they admitted Fuentes can't stand Trump or JD Vance. They also (maybe inadvertently) debunked the lesser Charlottesville hoax. They quote Fuentes as leading a chant saying "You will not replace us." not the more commonly misquoted "Jews will not replace us."
Weighty Matters: A Libertarian Perspective with some Pretzel Logic. The idea of "Hate Speech" is abhorrent to the Libertarian mind. But so is the idea that burning a flag is speech. That isn't speech but rather arson. Seems like the greatest legal minds of our generation would know that... but I digress.
It is stupid to outlaw speech. Lies, however, can and very well should have consequences. Legal consequences for sure, but the punishment should be more than just monetary. The Beasts of Revelation already have all of the money and even when the uber rich sue them and win some settlement, they don't feel the sting. Every lie the NYT tells should be met with the punishment of them having to publish a front-page story written by the people they lied about. Alternatively, they could be forced to publish C&C every day. The segment could be titled: What we lied about yesterday.
May we all learn to hear truth with context and not ‘selective words’ that reinforce our own, and those we influence, biases. The NYT editors literally may be blinded to hear the real truth - or intentionally spewing lies to keep people divided. I don’t know. I am having conversation now with a friend who hears the same things I do and comes up with a different interpretation based on her experiences and what she has been programmed to think.
I am trying to listen in love and make sure that my interpretations are true as well.
Exactly! We can easily see the left is indoctrinated and many live in an echo chamber….but can the same be said of me? I believe I’m thoughtful and evaluate what I hear and see….but I also have certain people that I just trust whatever they say when I read it (a Mr Jeff Childers falls on that list LOL….although when time allows I do try to read more widely to ensure I really agree). It’s tough to be self reflective though - to truly evaluate ourselves
If your desire is to keep your compass pointed to true North, no better way to keep it calibrated than with a daily dose of the Bible. And pray Acts 26:18 over your friend!
The Newsweek article linked above…they are still not giving up their narrative.
“The shooting comes amid a broader climate of political violence across the United States. In June, Minnesota Democratic state Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband were shot and killed in their home a targeted political act.”
See, both sides are killing! (We just won’t mention it was a disgruntled leftie who killed Hortman after she voted with the Republicans on a bill.)
Greg Gutfeldt absolutely went off on Jessica Tarlov when she tried to use the “Both Sides” argument on the Five, the other night. He did a whole monologue of his own on it. He actually apologized to her that he had said too much. But he wasn’t sorry for exploding, just in blaming her. It was pretty good.
The NY Times out and out lied about the guy who torched the Pennsylvania governor's mansion. they claim he is conservative, he's an anti-Israel lefty. They also want to call Paul Pelosi's attacker conservative. I understand he's basically a hippy. They do have a point that a lot of conservatives were snickering over the attack, which was unseemly.
The following was relayed by a 20-year hunter/outdoorsmen, and former firearm safety instructor —
(As I am not a firearm or ballistics expert, I’d appreciate feedback on these points)
“More than a few screws are loose with what the public is being told about Charlie Kirk’s death, and the current investigative efforts. Here’s just some of the things that don’t add up:
1. Both the .30-06 frame and the Mauser frame are serious weapons. They were each originally designed for the prosecution of war (maximum damage/stopping power), and are adaptable for and effective at hunting big game. Let that sink in: These rifles each can drop 800lb elk with a well placed shot or two, and elk hide is incredibly tough compared to a human being’s skin. Even at a considerable distance in the 200-300 yard range, a clean shot to the lower neck area of a person, just above the clavicle, by either of these weapons would almost certainly produce a “jelly’ing” effect, and would leave a significant entry and exit wound. You might be able to make an exception for a direct hit on bone, or on wearable body armor, but in both of those scenarios you then end up with an “outward-explosive” effect as the round fragments and begins to decelerate in all directions at once. This produces spray, and there would be a lot of spray coming from an obliterated brachial or carotid artery. It would be all over the victim’s face, shirt, hair, and everything in the immediate vicinity on the torso and abdomen. The story is basically the same for .233/.556 rounds, which are the rounds fitted to almost all AR15 platforms.
2. For the rooftop shooter to be the actual bad guy here, at that distance, you would need an expert marksmen firing a round large and stable enough to hold its trajectory through a small cross breeze over ~600 feet, yet small enough to not do those things I just described above upon impact. That leaves a very narrow cross section of applicable weaponry, and again I want to stress that the person pulling the trigger would need to be extremely well trained on *that specific rifle*, as no rifles are ever truly the same even when they are the same make/model.
3. Stopping power is something most people don’t think about when they witness a gun shot event, be it in the news or on the hunting field, but it matters. The rooftop shooter would have been positioned at about Charlie’s 10o’clock, maybe 1030, if we use the perspective of him being seated on stage looking out over the crowd. I can tell you that even accounting for a moving chair apparatus, being struck by any of the weapons listed in item number 1 would, at the absolute minimum, visibly shift his entire body in the chair, and more than likely knock him clear off of it.
4. Disassembly — not only do the official narratives not yet agree on this and other premises (what was used v. what was allegedly found by FBI, etc), but all 3 rifles described above, plus most of the popular and comparable hunting rifles out there, are complex mechanisms that require specialized tools of the trade to disassemble and reassemble. And to do so with any of them in less than 3-4 minutes without a dedicated workspace, and limited tools, is just simply unheard of.
I do not know about firearms, so I checked with an expert who DOES. In reference to Webe1's post I was briefly told:
1. ".30-06" is the caliber of ammo, not a "frame"
2. "Mauser" is a MANUFACTURER that makes MANY DIFFERENT firearms. Again, not a "frame".
3. "200-300 yard range" is a 'gimme' with a long gun and does NOT require marksmanship expertise. In fact, the accused shooter could have been aiming for head or center of mass (which is more likely. WHO *AIMS* for the NECK?) and hit the neck instead
4. Has the information been confirmed WHAT CALIBER of ammo the accused shooter used?? I am not aware of that info. If it was steel tipped ammo it would have gone STRAIGHT THROUGH a soft target like a neck and WOULD NOT have blown out the exit. (If it was a hollow point then yes, it would have created a mess upon exit.)
5. There IS NO caliber ".556" There is 5.56. If the writer meant "556" there is no DECIMAL.
My commentary:
The conflation of bs have-baked information, especially that which BLAMES THE JEWS (as USUAL) 🙄 is pretty gross. Just remember, THE LEFT IS WHO HATES BIBI so if you see the narrative that Bibi is to blame IT IS BEING PUSHED FROM THE LEFT.
Yeah, happen to own and shoot a Spanish Mauser in 30-06. First off,the shot was only about 140 yards. That’s a cake shot for that round and rifle. I mean to say I could put the 60 year old ammunition I own, through a donut hole at that range, with the 65 year old Mauser I own. And then no, it can’t be taken apart. And it’s long. Long long. So there are some discrepancies in what we are being told,but then we are being fed bullshit for the past 50 years,so what’s new?
What Gail W write is true from my experience (I do know firearms, but have only my own experience)
What I saw:
Charlie Kirk was wearing a vest, could have had steel or ceramic protection plates, but I cannot know that.
Shot hit to the left side of the neck, whether an accurate aim ( I doubt it) or accident.
It looked like the entrance and exit wounds might have just been one big wound. I cannot see close enough.
Since I cannot see close enough, it could have been a ricochet from a metal plate in the vest to the neck. (depending on the ammo, absolutely possible but not likely)
Shot did not come from the side or how he fell would be different and the damage would be different. That is my experience only, I acknowledge that someone else's lived experience could be different.
It's not just CALIBER, but bullet diameter (caliber), bullet weight (in grains or grams), cartridge length (in millimeters or inches), bullet type (e.g., Full Metal Jacket, Soft Point) and a host of other considerations as to what kind of damage would be done. I would normally assume if this was really "Grandpa's gun", the ammo would be pretty standard, but depends on where Grandpa got the gun from and what he used it for and if the killer purchased any new ammo.
That was not a current (or IMO standard) Mauser gun. Might have been shorter than the norm because of that fact.
I don't believe the gun was disassembled ( nor do I think it easily could be), but that it arrived on campus shoved into the waistband of his pants, with the stock tucked under his own vest, and it came down off the roof with him (he drags what looks like the gun in a bag off the roof with him and carries it off)
I believe the scope may have been attached after arriving on the roof. The scope position shown in the box with the rifle was not the norm.
I am open to other theories, but this wasn't a hard shot for anyone who shoots regularly. The assumption could have been that even with a vest, a bullet would make it through shooting at center mass. Or the shooter might have been aiming for the head and missed (Charlie Kirk moved around a lot). I can't imagine anyone would aim for a neck on purpose. I, personally, see exactly how the gun most likely arrived and how it left the site.
So from my experience, with what I could see and what I know, this lines up fine. Doesn't mean it is the truth, but is 100% possible that it was exactly as the shooter says so should not be ruled out.
There was a note that was under his keyboard and you will find some information in that, but not the specifics of "how" he obtained it, just that it was (at least at one point) his grandfathers. It may simply have been a gun in the house.
No it isn’t. People on the left and the right, and everywhere in between, are asking certain questions, and are utterly disgusted and terrified by Bibi’s behavior. Charlie was asking those questions, and Tom close friends. He was terrified of Bibi, and large swaths of his followers, young people in their 20s and 30s, were/are asking these questions as well.
Tucker Carlson has been asking the same questions.
I am eager to tune in to Tucker’s panel discussion tonight to see what they have to say.
I am ‘on the right’ and I do not know A SINGLE PERSON OPPOSED TO BIBI securing the safety of Israel, AND I know some otherwise left-leaning Jews who support his actions too BECAUSE JEWS ARE SICK AND TIRED - just like Christians have gotten — of being blamed for EVERY frigging thing that OTHERS START. FAFO.
Tucker NO LONGER IS REPRESENTATIVE of anything resembling the ‘right’.
He has trafficked in grotesque Holocaust deniers and other BLATANT ANTISEMITES to the point where I originally was a paid subscriber of his and cancelled and waste none of my time on him any longer. He, Candace and the rest of that ilk can go…away.
Does anyone know if the bullet that killed Charlie has been found? I know basically nothing about guns but I would think the bullet would show what gun type was used.
Point 1 - I expected a pass-through with a huge exit wound you could stick your fist in. I've shot a lot of deer. Arrows usually pass through, but they're different. I've never had a shotgun slug pass through, but again they're different. My 30-30, which is less powerful than a 30-06 may pass through, but its ballistics are different. Less velocity so the bullet stays more intact. The higher the velocity, the more fragmentation. Degree of fragmentation also depends on the bullet type which we don't know - full metal jacket, soft point, hollow point? Their penetration varies. No pass through might be plausible, I'll wait to hear from a bona fide expert on that, and there are many who claim to be that are not.
Point 2 - total BS. It would not require an expert marksman, just a competent shooter with some experience. We can be pretty sure he missed his target which was head or center mass unless he aimed for the neck, which is not likely. If he'd missed horizontally instead of vertically by the same amount Charlie would probably be alive. Windage - not a factor at all in this case. Training on a specific rifle? More BS. Sure familiarity helps but if you can shoot a rifle you can shoot any standard rifle.
Point 3 - Total BS. I've shot many human size animals with both slug and rifle right where I aimed and I couldn't tell they were even hit by their immediate reaction. They were dead very quickly though.
Point 4 - BS I think. Many long guns can have the stock/fore-end removed from the barrel/action with a single screw. Not sure about Mauser-style rifles, but I have a rifle like that. That's not total disassembly but enough to make the weapon more easily concealed for transport.
There are lots of opinions and lots of BS swirling about the shooting, including all the experts who assured everyone that this was a professional hit from the moment it occurred. Addressing the points in the order presented:
1- I’m not sure what the point of contention may be based on the discussion of exit wounds, blood dispersion, body armor, etc., but until more details are known (such as bullet type, weight, and velocity, precise point of impact, body armor, etc.) it is not easy to speculate with accuracy about the effect that should have been produced. It certainly was a fatal wound, as could be expected with a .30-06 in the neck.
2- It appears the range was well under 200 yards, perhaps less than 150 yards. Not at all a difficult shot. It actually appears rather sloppy, as the neck was almost certainly not the point of aim.
3- The description of expected reaction of an individual struck with a bullet is incorrect. For example, it is possible to shoot an empty aluminum can with a high-powered rifle without knocking the can over. Energy transfer does not work that way with hyper-sonic ammo. Rather, there will be a wound channel of .30 inches at point of entry, in the case of a .30-06, and again, depending on specifics like bullet type, potential expansion and tissue damage occurring along the course of the bullet. It is likely the bullet passed through, and created an exit wound, with unspent energy as a result.
4- There is not yet any indication that assembly or disassembly of the rifle occurred.
Good morning, C&C! There is a very faint lightening over the mountain behind our home - dawn is arriving later and later these days. Fall is arriving here in the PNW.
I’m actually jealous of the central Texas weather. I’ve been down here helping my son for a couple weeks and every day is crisp blue skies and clear with cotton ball clouds - and in the 90s. Consistent 90s and blue skies in mid-September is pretty much on the level of the Easter Bunny and Bigfoot to a Chicagoan. The weather here and its sky is the most beautiful. I’m so jelly.
Re those crisp blue skies--I have not, in last few months, been seeing those peculiar not-like-contrails clouds. Contrails, on the other hand, I have watched, 6-8 times each week, over my clothesline for the last 38 years. Said clothesline, which requires that I look straight up at the sky in order to hang the sheets, sits under the PHL flyway.
In fact, it was my husband’s grandmother’s! It just received its second make-over, with second round of new spars of Sitka spruce, and about 8 coats of Epiphanes varnish.
My mother’s is in process of getting the same make-over, and then sitting in wait, for a daughter to need it. In 1954, I learned to ice skate, holding on to the laundry basket bench under that clothes line.
I don’t feel any humidity actually. It’s a dry heat, like a sauna. That’s probably why the 90° is more tolerable for me here than when I’m back in Chicago where we have unbearable humidity at that high of heat.
For some reason, the hours of daylight feel like they are unwinding faster this year. I am feeling quite surprised that it is dark by 20:00 hours already. I shouldn't be, it is mid-September, after all, but I am.
The media is largely to blame for Charlie’s murder. The sheer volume of people on X and everywhere else celebrating is sickening.
BRIGHT SPOT: I remembered the lady who started ReACT19 saying after they told their covid “vaccine” injury stories to a roomful of the PRESS, many of them were openly crying. ReACT19 assumed they would go back and report their stories and an avalanche of, “OH, my GOODNESS, how horrific” headlines would ensue.
Alas,
no. Most of all them wrote the usual “safe and effective”, “very rare” drivel they’d been writing for years.
These stories DO get to people, even vile reporters.
MAYBE we can effect change nu somehow spotlighting these stories ourselves.
Jeff: "Progressives slew him to shut him up and shut him down..."
I'm not saying this to be a contrarian. "Progressives" are certainly slaying him rhetorically everyday both before and after Charlie's death. But "Progressives" did not kill him. There was no mob of progressives that showed up to lynch him or nail him to a cross.
The murder of Charlie Kirk was the result of a very specific and identifiable plot for very nefarious purposes. If we think the public explanation for Charlie's murder is accurate, we haven't been paying attention and remain susceptible to their psyops. We should know by now that every public explanation given to us never is the truth.
Everything that happens on the mass media stage is theater designed to manipulate us and hide the truth. Theater is psyops. Be skeptical.
This C&C audience experienced in real time what it feels and means to have your government lie to you every day, as they did during the plandemic. Suddenly, with a different administration in charge, we now believe everything the government tells us is true? C’mon people…
The tranny shooter story is frankly insulting. They should try harder.
I am weary of unnamed sources everywhere in virtually every headline any longer. I do know that Candace Owens has converted to Catholicism and I know her views on Israel. But I also know that the Catholic Church has a world of skeletons in it’s closet. Charlie speaks of Pastor Rob McCoy as his pastor. I have never heard the doctrine that evangelicals support Israel at all costs. That is truly news to me. Biblically speaking the Bible refers to Israel being blest, but that can and has been interpreted many ways. The state of Israel as it exists today has only been since the 1950’s . Who is to say if it will not fall and rise again. The fact is most of present day Israel is not Jewish, and most American Jews are Liberals supporting who. It does make for discussion however.
This gave me goose bumps. Has some graphic scenes of Charlie. Please all of you who think something else happened that day, watch this utube. Around the 13:40 mark is point of great interest that believe guy in custody is a patsy. The whole utube was very informative about alternative theories as to why he was shot.
JeffChilders, in many ways you are like Charlie Kirk! You are bold in your faith (pointing back to the Scriptures or Bible stories), you speak truth and Truth throughout these 5.5 years on C&C, you work tirelessly to educate and enlighten your readers & listeners, and you love your family and America dearly. You are inspiring in your own right and we appreciate you more than we can say. But I do thank God we have a great unifier in you.
I've been watching Charlie's most recent college appearances on YouTube. Such a gift he had of communicating with young skulls full of mush as Rush would say.
In Boise last month he argued eloquently on behalf of the death penalty. I found it fascinating in light of what his killer faces. His argument boiled down to it being an injustice that a killer be able to enjoy what they take from another.
His knowledge of scripture and history was remarkable, his patience extraordinary. May eternal loght shine upon him.
Thinking the world is going to physically end imminently
Thinking there is nothing in having children and grandchildren
Not being able to own a home and never achieving economic stability
That the authorities are targeting you
Thinking your neighbors want you and your lifestyle dead
Your neighbors need a vaccine for you to live
Fear. It is all connected by fear. And the media proforma is to sell that fear for profit
We wonder why someone acts like he/she has nothing to lose?
They are told there is nothing and they congregate in the hedonism, their materialism, their nihilism for value. We have seen this happen before in human history. Pharisaic judgment and the evil power it conveys.
Please call your senators today. Tomorrow, September 17, Pharma and its flying monkeys are planning a full frontal attack on Kennedy at the Senate hearing to try to oust him. They have been plotting for months. If you care about medical freedom, please make the calls and leave messages. Thank you!
You guys! I was listening to the Mike Rowe podcast (the Dirty Jobs guy) that dropped this morning while I was getting dressed and such, and he mentioned that he started reading this guy, Jeff Childers!
He spent several minutes talking about one of Jeff’s recent columns and what he said, and how well he said it. Wow, Jeff’s really getting around. I was so surprised when Jeff’s name popped out but also… we all know how awesome Jeff is and I’m glad other people are figuring it out.
My friends and family are always asking where do you get your news from. I gladly tell them about Jeff and Coffee and COVID. Great resource!! As my first act of righteous anger I’m now a monthly contributor $$ to TPUSA. We have a chapter here in Knoxville to volunteer with, but with my mature age I felt a monthly donation may be best. I will continue to pray for our children as they are Satan’s main target.
Yes, I am so happy we are doing a multiplier. I had already donated on another GiveSendGo that was set up for Charlie but happy to donate again. Will also be leaving money for TPUSA in my will to carry on Charlie's good work!
My guess is that TPUSA will need extra funding now that over 30,000 organizations have applied for chapter membership. TPUSA can create millions of Charlies with thousands of new chapters.
Let us hope all of them have good intentions and not setting up to infiltrate.
Never trust the left.
Agree. But the chapters are vetted at the ground level. We had a HS field rep speak at our R women's meeting yesterday. She said 2 of her chapters held their first meetings of the school year on Friday and that both saw an increase of over 50 kids in attendance.
Given that most of the Chapters here have come with a lot of bashing by the left, stepping up and attending is 'risky' for these kids. They came anyway. She is in talks with a teacher who has stepped up to lead a chapter in one of our local HS and has at least a dozen students who have already stepped up willing to join.
This is huge! The last time our district tried to launch a TPUSA chapter at one of the high schools there was practically a riot where furniture was broken and the room was trashed. Made the Daily Wire. https://www.dailywire.com/news/high-school-students-disrupt-tpusa-event-with-jeers-taunts-smash-glass-table What happened next? Nothing. The teachers sponsoring the group backed down and no others stepped forward. If the kids who rioted got consequences, they were little more than a slap on the wrist. The young woman who led the effort worked for TPUSA briefly in college and is now a staffer for a member of Congress in Southern MO.
Just saying, anyone here who steps up is not going to be a plant - they are walking into the lion's den.
So good to see the enthusiasm to start more chapters and increased attendance. Does the heart good. Makes me wish I was in high school again to take part as a student. Good to know you are confident no one will be a plant and I hope you are right. We will keep these young men and women in our prayers that God continues to shine their lights in this world and their parents too. They know what their kids could face and bravely let them try to make a difference in places that are antagonistic.
Hard to believe that a semi riot occurred at that high school. The more and more clear it becomes to me that evil will find a way to cause mayhem no matter what venue. I do not think it suprises any of us that a slap on the hand was thought a just consequence.
Well this good news has made my day and I thank you for that. Stay safe and healthy Donna.
YES! That was encouraging to say the least.
Multiplier done before even reading CC - and of course I feel better - and it was my second donation to Charlie since his horrible assassination. And I have been donating to Turning Point for years. Please everyone give what you can. We can still make a tremendous difference in his name and memory.
After a few years of getting the free C& C email, I decided to dump my 45 years of WSJ subscriptions. It has become a liberal rag. That more than freed up the funds to subscribe to C& C. I, rightly, said that Mr. Childers has made such a differnce in our lives (and many others), he deserves my financial support. C&C's arrival each day is now a highlight. I read it like an anchorwoman to my better half. He sits enjoying the show. I've become good at getting through all the multi syllable words on the fly.
Our world is better for the reading.
I love this!!! I might started reading to my dogs like an anchorwoman :-).
They would love it and watch you with adoring faces
Love your comment!
I love this!! Enjoy! ❤️
Another “mature” C&C reader here in Lebanon, TN. I’m a bit surprised that Mike Rowe wasn’t aware of Jeff, but am thrilled that he is now.
Charlie was the age of our sons. This hit HARD. I’m crying again as I write this. We’ve watched and listened to him since the very beginning. I’m heartbroken for his family, his friends and the entire world, but mostly for the generations that will grow up without him. He was a once-in-a-lifetime talent. As much as I detest social media and the digital spaces, I’m grateful that through that media Charlie will live on. Kids who weren’t familiar with him are watching his videos and listening to his podcasts. My hope is that leaders in that age group will learn and emulate what Charlie aspired to. He can’t be replaced, but he can inspire and teach.
I ordered my husband the same Tshirt that Charlie was wearing the day he was murdered from his podcast website https://thecharliekirkshowstore.com/collections/tees as a way to support TPUSA, but I really like the idea of a monthly subscription. Thanks for the suggestion. 🙏🏼
They should have a t shirt with " Prove me Wrong"
On it.
Almost every shirt is sold out at the moment. I’ll wait but getting one soon.
I ordered a tshirt and 2 stickers the other day. They seem to being getting merch out pretty fast.
I ordered a hat. Freedom is not free
Don't count yourself short Kat. Our younger generation needs us grey hairs and no hairs to be present. We have experience and wisdom the younger leaders don't have. Yes, Charlie was a gifted anomaly, but while, speaking for myself, cant keep up with the younger set physically and in technology, I can lend a presence of age and stability. Use your gift as you are led. This fight isn't over till it's over. Blessings!
Kat
Charlie said never too young or never too old for TPUSA
I too donated but also must get involved
I might steal that, and say something like BECAUSE THEY MURDERED CHARLIE KIRK IN FRONT OF HIS FAMILY AND THE WORLD
nope.
😏😔😟
Erika herself said that when she got home, her little girl asked her, "Where's Daddy?" and Erika replied, "He's on a work trip with Jesus".
OMG!
What a horrible thing to have to tell your children!
WHY is it that some of the best people on the planet get "taken out" because they are SOO good???
Satan hates goodness. And there are those that sadly listen to him and do his dirty work…
The globalist game masters LOVE reactions like this. We really have no idea yet who actually killed him. None of the FBI’s story makes sense and there are more holes than a chain link fence. But go ahead and start frothing for a civil war. That’s exactly what they want.
I’m with you on that! The ‘narrative’ that the Gubment (FBI) and the Utah “Authorites’ are peddling, just doesn’t jive, and has SO many holes in it. Don’t be fooled. Tyler Robinson is this “event’s” “Lee Harvey Oswald”. Just watch. 🤔😵💫🧐
Exactly. IMHO, I'm sure the answer is somewhere in Soros organization.
Listen to Candace Owens. She digs veeery deep and she will get to the bottom of it! If they don't take her out first. She has to have extra security but man you don't want to mess with her. They say she is controversial but if you actually listen from the beginning of each new "dig" you get where she is coming from.
If you hate Jews, you will love Candace🤪
Try listening to her. She doesn’t hate Jews. She believes their government is corrupt and running OUR government, which is true. The people are not the problem.
Exactly!! Parroting the narrative is worse than simple minded.
They may not have been there. Conflicting reports.
I was an emergency responder. I hear about victims all the time. Yes, it is AWFUL for them. I pray for them. But, in your prayers, please think of the first responders who must carry with them all the horrors they see and deal with day after day. Year after year. We handle it, but we are most comfortable, like all PTSD people, when we are with "our own." Nobody else can fathom what is in our brains and how we view the so called normal world. Not whining. We are glad to do what we do/did so the rest of the world can have normal lives. It's what we do.
A good friend from high school is a retired Firefighter. His last 3 years, he would me call me when he had a bad days. The first time he called, he asked me if I really believed in God like I talk about on FB. From there, we had many talks about God, forgiveness, heaven, purgatory and hell. I am glad to say he has been retired for 5 years and is doing wells
Yes. Those who have served directly in combat or on the civilian teams who do their best to save lives are subjected to seeing terrible things.
I am very grateful to all of you and you are all in my prayers!
and remember the cops that are often first on the scene of any tragic circumstance.
Perhaps give this a look. This gave me goose bumps. Has some graphic scenes of Charlie. Please all of you who think something else happened that day, watch this utube. Around the 13:40 mark is point of great interest that believe guy in custody is a patsy. The whole utube was very informative about alternative theories as to why he was shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdYfAJIq6-M
Very often, it is what it is. Occam's razor. Our problem is that the government has lied so often to us about matters like MK Ultra, JFK, the Gulf of Tonkin, Building 7, and The Affordable Care Act- that people are now seeing lies and deception about virtually everything. Coming up with crazy theories about everything. Surprised I haven't seen a piece about George Soros at the wheel of Robinson's getaway vehicle.
Be careful! Of the two people he identified as possibly in on the assassination - the one in white is Frank Turek, long time friend of TPUSA and friend of Charlie. Alisa Childers has already made a podcast debunking that the "man in white" was giving "signals" to some off scene shooter.
Some conspiracies need to be put to rest quickly. I don't know who this podcast speaker is - but he uses to be blaming Israel? Respectfully, I don't think I follow or believe his information.
I had completely forgotten about the 'god voice' to skull technology which makes perfect sense as to how a presumed patsy was or could be controlled. This technology has been around for a long now. It's real. And therefore the assertion of patsy control by technological means is credible. And ViaVeritasVita's comment about the pistol being an aluminium frame clears up my question about the alleged weapon looking shiny, unlike most handguns.
Scrutiny over Kirk's murder is going to be as big and as enduring as with that of the Kennedy assassination. My first suspicion that Israel/Mossad was or might have been involved seems to be widely shared now. Why? First, the out of control Israel government does not shy away from killing people. And in point of fact, murder is a standard procedure in furthering Israeli policy. And now that shaming words no longer work, what else has the criminal syndicate posing as a country have left to them to shut up high profile influencers? Murder when all else fails is Cancel Culture on steroids.
I had posted today these links elsewhere today in Comments:
1) Charlie Kirk Assassination, Psy Op Frenzy & The Study They Don’t Want See
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OLc6Kw8eqViO
2) What the Media Won't Tell You About Charlie Kirk
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZkLdFX2CFY8
Lori… thankyou for posting; we’re on the same track of discovery…. A very dangerous one… see my comment as well. The implications if fact are calculable or perhaps incalculable considering the consequences for our country… BB’s threats against anyone who speaks against “them”… geez 🙉🙈🙊😱
Sig Sauer Ideal Conceal IC380, two rounds
manuf. from 2018-22 "when company ceased operations"
https://www.guncritic.com/product/ic380/
The Ideal Conceal IC380 is an aluminum-framed, striker fired pistol chambered in .380ACP and has two 3 inch barrels. The grip folds over the trigger guard to allow the gun to resemble a cell phone in your pocket.
He's a patsy alright, but that doesn't mean he wasn't involved or isn't responsible for the kill shot. George Webb seems to think someone else did the actual killing, but we really just don't know yet (maybe never will). What IS known is that the kid was already being actively recruited as a minor for eventual military service by his uncle who is involved in developing mercs, including snipers, for service in the Ukraine (Crooks & Routh both had those same kind of connections). Webb outlines all the evidence that Robinson was involved in a covert sniper program using Mormon mission cover.
YouTube took down his interview about his changing view on the Middle East.
That’s according to the “narrative” that the Gubment (FBI) and Utah ‘authorities’ are peddling. 🤔🧐🙄
This.
Of course Charlie would not take them to college campuses with all those rabid haters.
I hope everyone can take 5 minutes to watch this memorial of Charlie on Real America's Voice, its inspirational to say the least:
https://americasvoice.news/video/i5bkELrvEHOsvLV
Awesome! Thank you!
Very moving, thanks. Brought me to tears for about the 100th time in the past week.
Kirk criticized Israel, and was increasingly doing so before he was shot. Could the left be a scapegoat?
Maybe this?
https://slaynews.com/news/renowned-immunologist-sounds-alarm-billions-covid-vaxxed-altered-brains/
You got some links to prove those allegations?
How specifically was Charlie criticizing Israel?
Did he claim to support the antisemitism seen on college campuses?
Did he join the student haters and chant ‘From the river to the sea’?
Please, show us what he said, unless you have him confused with Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, who have gone full blown Jew hatred.
I have this showing Charlie’s support for Israel;
https://www.israelunwired.com/the-speech-about-israel-that-everyone-needs-to-hear/
And here’s Tucker doing a 180 from October 7 barbarians to now- just a political party.
https://www.israelunwired.com/this-90-second-tucker-carlson-clip-youre-about-to-watch-will-leave-you-in-total-shock-warning-graphic-content/
Hola Willing Spirit! 😉 Watch Candace Owen’s recent posts on Charlie. What happened this summer out in The Hamptons with the “billionaire hedge fund manager”, Bill Ackman, and Babylon Bee’s founder Seth Dillon? Do you know about that?
She weaves a bit of a ‘different narrative” than what you are weaving. And BTW Candace and Charlie go “way back” and were close friends.
Candace Owens is currently weaving whatever Satan directs her to weave. She’s completely off the rails.
And Bill Ackman completely debunked CO's statements Frontera. Do you know about that?
all of the above...
If you think the Left is just a scapegoat; who do you believe the real killer is?
I think that is a reach to blame Israel. There has clearly been a lot of violence on the left especially over the weeks prior to Charlie. The left are like rabid dogs that just feed on the violence. Someone is feeding them hate and putting these ideas into their heads.
The Democrats.
Behind them/with them:
WEF-CCP billionaires.
That we likely will never know. “They” want you to think this is a “left/right” issue. It’s not.
Take a listen to this piece from Chase Hughes, a former military intelligence person (Navy 20 tears), and expert on human behavioral science and brainwashing.
https://youtu.be/azE7nqqQMmo?si=DAD-hEZoMBdjmVHt
You think the Left isn’t evil enough?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/marxist-lgbtq-paramilitary-group-utah-under-investigation-fbi/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/only-good-nazi-is-dead-nazi-chicago-area/
https://youtu.be/azE7nqqQMmo?si=DAD-hEZoMBdjmVHt
Fortunately, the children were not there in person to see it. They were being watched at home from what I can gather, and Erika may not have seen the killing in person at the event either, though I'm sure she saw the hideous video of it afterwards.
It was heartbreaking that she had to return home and face the thought of what do I tell my one-year-old and three-year-old about why Daddy isn't coming home.
She viewed the video of her husband absorbing the full impact and weight of a high caliber rifle round — with his neck. His entire body shudders from the impact. Blood flows out as though from a water fountain or more like a garden hose — It’s horrifying. He’s dead IMHO, almost instantly. To watch his hands go up, in helplessness, and then drop the mic as he falls over….
His children will someday see that video. The internet is forever.
I’m supposed to forgive. I know this. Im having a very hard time forgiving the left right now. Maybe with time and prayer.
The left have become completely degenerate savages.
That’s if you think ANY of those videos are real. Why do we not see ANY videos from any of the hundreds of cell phones that were taking videos at the event? We have seen NONE of those videos from actual people who were there at the moment it “allegedly” occurred. Just sayin’…🧐🤔🕵🏼♀️
That statement only in further encourages the ‘deep divide’ we now have in this country.😏😔
The Left?
Fooled by the psyop
https://youtu.be/QUoclgckUYI
The left has made it onto C&C. Seeing people like this one who are trying to cause confusion… we figured out Ben2N… these guys need to get lost.
🤣🤣🤣
https://www.bitchute.com/video/KVYTG2jLabpp
If you think I'm "left", you are a moron.
Yup, another Benny2N.
We can be very proud of our author in many ways. We really are an army behind a Godfearing leader here on C&C.
As Jeff becomes more known, he too alas must be extra careful.
Absolutely!
💥🎯🙏… absolutely!
Great idea of leaving TPUSA in your will! We will do the same and switch out one of our charities for TP…thank you for the idea 💞
I was thinking same. May need some body guards soon.
He & his family are already on my prayer list!
I started reading Coffee & Covid a few months ago and now it is part of my daily morning reads. The Prophecy Update Newsletter moved from email to Substack, and I’m so glad it did! I had never used Substack before, and now I have a library full of awesome Christian and Conservative writers.
I found CC when I was getting blowback from not vaxxing. September 2021. The month I truly left the left. I had an actual spiritual epiphany where the left betrayal was laid before me.
I was raised by a Christian mom, had conservative values, but remained very libertarian (live and let live). After being burned out on sports talk radio one morning at work in 2006 I was looking for something to listen to and came across The Mark Levin show. It jumpstarted me to start taking more responsibility in our body politic.
Ross Perot red-pilled me in 1992! Proof that 'just one person' can open our eyes. Charlie opened so many eyes and that is why he was hated.
I also was desperate to find sanity in the Plandemic days, and I stumbled across Jeff Childers. I watched as joy returned to my spirit, and regained my trust in the Lord throughout that time.
I had that same epiphany a few years ago, for different reasons, but still bringing me away from the left. It's truly remarkable, isn't it? You can never go back to what you used to be.
Covid nudged me but it was the morning God forced me into really knowing where the child trans ideology comes from and who is behind it. The left promotes and moves a plan from Satan. I have a trans grandkid. Kid.
I hear you. !
Would love to hear how your epiphany of the left’s betrayal came about. Those were dark days indeed.
At the beginning of lockdown I got a call from my daughter (1000 miles away) that our only grandchild (14yo and on the spectrum) was transitioning from a girl to a boy. I had no idea what this was. I didn’t even know what to think but had no influence at all. We had no access to her or the parents. I think the devil picked this very time during lockdown to implement the big plan on children. We didn’t communicate much and knew she was getting the drugs. My daughter is one you don’t question but I think the kid was threatening suicide. Common threat.
By 2021 I was busy resisting the jab and the the nasty shit I was getting from others. I also was seeing where much of this Covid mess was coming from—the democrats. But was terribly worried about my granddaughter. One day I was in my bedroom and telling myself—what about the doctors and therapists she saw—she was mildly autistic. Why would they all push this? I truly heard a still small voice answer me “Because they are all in on it”. I woke up. Completely. I couldn’t sleep for a long time until I called to God. It was a frightening time for many of us. Knowing the trans thing made it worse. But I did get clarity that day.
Transitioning equals Mental Illness that is now encouraged by lefties.
We are in the second phase of Covidiocy, that is targeting children.
However, sufficient % sees it clearly, and ain't allowing the insanity.
Substack has some wonderful, thoughtful writers. It’s a bit tough to to parse out the writers you want to invest your time on, but it’s worth it.
Now that's an endorsement worth having!
This was my face 😮
🤣
In many ways Jeff is an older age version of Charlie. He has many of the same skills: insightful, articulate, big picture vision with practical command of details, strategic, etc.
Yes! And both extremely gifted with expressing their thoughts.
...which is also all the more reason we need to praying for his safety.
It's not just Jeff. It's also all the rest of you who get up every day and try to sort out the insanity that is the world, putting words to your thoughts and keeping an open mind and an open heart as to what we could/should do to make a difference. As Tiny Tim, said, "God Bless Us Every One!"
❤️❤️❤️
Jeff kept me sane during the pandemic! I look forward to his newsletter everyday! I usually always laugh out loud at some point during!
Comment spot on, LM.
That’s great news! Maybe Jeff will help ol’ Mike get off the fence he’s been sitting on for years. I love many things Mike does and says, he’s a very smart guy, but in the past he just couldn’t commit to the right side. I think he probably started life as a moderate democrat and is finally seeing the light.
IMHO, Mike runs a huge non-profit and alienating anyone doesn’t benefit his mission. I’d love to go back to the days where we don’t know every’s politics, and just treat everyone respectfully, regardless.
Those days are long gone, never to return.
Rowe has become significantly less apolitical in the last few months, I’ve noticed. He’s leaning right now, IMHO.
I think he has always been conservative but to prevent being completely cancelled by the scumbags he didn't go all in - publicly - all of his shows were more conservative in nature in an industry which shuns it out of hate and stupidity. I think this endorsement of Jeff is a sign he is going all in and is also a result of Charlie's assassination.
I think so too. He reminds me of the All-In guys (well, 3 of them). They’re conservative from the point of view that they’re practical and want strong business, not because they’re team Republican.
Definitely. He subtly campaigned for Trump in the last election. I remember him auctioning off some Trump memorabilia in support of his organization. Like Jeff, he’s a great writer and communicator, usually witty and fun to read.
I saw that as well. I listen to his podcast intermittently but I also noticed a subtle but obvious pro-Trump position. I do think he’s more of a realist (eg, wants a strong CA for business) than an active politics follower, but I could be wrong.
Like me it can happen in a moment of God given clarity. With one thought. God works in mysterious ways and indeed answers prayers. 🙏🏻 Mike let’s that happen.
Wow, what fun news!
Yeah he needs to go on Gutfeld!
Jeff's too smart for Gutfeld!
What would you bet it's already in the works? Covid Litigation Conference, two years; Heritage Foundation....the man is making himself known. Does he also write for Brownstone? No--just checked. Or rather, not yet. Toby Rogers is there, Bill Rice is, and twice. Pierre Kory, Robert Malone.
I check Brownstone every day. Awesome.
Now that would be a show!
That is fabulous Valerie, thanks for sharing! Mike Rowe is awesome and good to see him giving Jeff well deserved admiration and attention. Jeff will grow much bigger with this endorsement.
Awesome. I love Mike Rowe. And his mom Peggy Rowe who I follow on Facebook
What podcast?
The podcast is called ‘the way I heard it’ and the episode is something like ‘California is in real trouble’.
Here’s the Spotify link. The part about Jeff is about 45 min in I think.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7kGCWXCjX6sLGaMgScOiqL?si=1rqZ20yjStyhDuR17UFFuA&context=spotify%3Acollection%3Apodcasts%3Aepisodes
Starts at the 39 minute mark.
Thanks! I was at a stoplight when I was posting and didn’t have time to check.
Mike was so complimentary about Jeff and I have no doubt this will cause more people to follow him. He even named Coffee and Covid so what a great plug! Kudos to Mike Rowe:]
He wants to meet Jeff too. That would be a fun listen with Jeff and Mike.
Texting while driving, m’lady? Stop that! C&C Army can’t afford to lose you.
I WAS AT A STOPLIGHT! Lol, I know. I go that way regularly and know it’s a long light, in my defense.
Thanks, Valerie, watching it now. Jeff is becoming a celebrity Substacker!
Unfortunately Demwit subs are growing ever bigger everyday on their unholy bloviating substacks. Bill Rice has the depressing statistics. It’s suspicious because many big names have few likes or comments but huge sub numbers.
Thanks Valerie!
https://www.charliekirk.com/
That's awesome!! Glad to hear it!
Jeff Childers, he wants to meet you!!
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
You cannot reason with demoralized people who want to kill you. Charlie warned us about leftist assassination culture. We have to speak loudly against the “both sides” false equivalencies: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/both-sides-false-equivalencies
This gave me goose bumps. Has some graphic scenes of Charlie. Please all of you who think something else happened that day, watch this utube. Around the 13:40 mark is point of great interest to those that believe guy in custody is a patsy. The whole utube was very informative about alternative theories as to why he was shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdYfAJIq6-M
I would like more info on the private plane that took off after the shooting & the transponder was turned off. Getaway for the real shooter? Thanks, Lori, for posting this.
Well we won’t get it. Pilot interviewed “oh it was just because of this” The End
Yes, I thought this very interesting as well.
Why would any pilot turn off his transponder??
The only reason is to purposely avoid being tracked. There is no practical reason says a pilot friend. People do it for illegal uses. Or a government …
How many planes run drugs every day? I don't know about the numbers for planes in the US, but going south of the border, it's a lot.
I have seen with disgust the many videos promoting various conspiracy theories. By my count, its an adult male at the front of the audience, a guy to Charlie’s direct right, a bodyguard to his back left and the infamous “military signaler” in white directly behind him. I am sure that I have missed some. Its turning into one extremely populated “grassy knoll”.
This is a horrible rumor going around. The rumor states that the guy standing behind Charlie in the white ball cap was signaling the shooter after he touched the brim of the cap and scratched his cheek: TOTAL BS. The guy's name is Frank Turek. He is an devout Christian and Charlie's very good friend and mentor.
Please do everything to dispel this slander against a good man.
Scroll to 23 minutes in the video link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5FtStFIy2o
Thank you for sharing this and giving the timestamp!! I really appreciate it.
I don’t want to shame people asking questions, I’d rather see us say, “it’s understandable that you would be suspicious about all the odd things surrounding this assassination, but let me put your concerns to rest about this one particular man …” That gives grace and understanding to the person sharing wrong information and then it corrects the mistaken information or wrongful insinuation. Edifying for everyone.
Yes as Christians we have to refrain from gossip, but we also have been inundated with lies and deception for many years, drowning in it actually. We wouldn’t shame an abused wife for flinching at a potluck when a nearby man raises his arm to scratch his back, and accuse her of jumping to conclusions about a kind and innocent man. I think the reactions of some people are similar to that. We have all been socially and emotionally abused for a decade, and lied to by our government.
But I really do trust Patel and Bongino. I do feel we need to let them work.
Juju - "...grace and understanding..." What a concept!
After the last week I’m not trusting a single person
Frank Turek is the OG apologist! Sharing at universities since the early 2000 I believe. Thanks for sharing .
The guy in white is his very good friend and mentor Frank Turek. Go to his instagram and see the statement for yourself. He was most definitely NOT involved!
He was shot from the side not the front if that video is accurate so I am leaning to the big guy on his right that appeared to have a weapon and then move back into the crowd after he shot. Keeping open mind though.
He was hit from directly in front. Otherwise he would not have toppled backward. It’s kinda physics. No one near him could have possibly done that.
believe what you will.
Lori, I do agree with keeping an open mind at this stage of the investigation. I pray that the investigators can sort it all out. Given all our evidence with the suppression of evidence its going to be a mess with a lot of unanswered questions.
Juraj Vascik… (and Lori)… do we really think there will be a thorough investigation??? The majority of our elected et al., representatives are sworn to A I P A C 😱🙊🙉🙈
Ya no not me. The scene was not preserved not even a little. An Autopsy? What I can figure out under Utah law all gunshots are autopsied. Where is the bullet? That’s a huge piece of evidence. I’m just pissed
Guess you know about the New York Declaration at the UN on Sept 12th? Considering the focus on the assassination, I wouldn’t be surprised if you missed it.
Yes I am afraid so too. This is why it is imperative we consider different angles and reasons like the utube above so we can discern as best we can what may have been the real reason and who backed it.
some of them sound reasonable but I keep coming back to why would a father send his (innocent?) son to a sure death sentence?
When I initially watched the full video, I noticed a double report from what I assumed at the time was the sniper rifle, but it was odd. I actually thought it was two shots in a row from a semi auto. That couldn’t be, we’re told the rifle was a bolt action.
We’ll never know the truth either. We’ll be told the bullet matched the ammo they found, and a 30.06 bullet looks nothing like a 9mm, .40 or .45 bullet, or any other handgun round.
I am keeping optimistic that we will know at some point, crossing fingers.
Sig Sauer Ideal Conceal, .380, two barrels, two rounds? Got to get it right by the second try.
Wouldn't the sound give him away? Was there a sound?
it mentioned in the utube I posted that a muffler/silencer could be used.
With kindness: As someone who currently owns 4 silencers for various caliber guns and rifles, I can state with some authority that a “silencer” will only truly silence a .22 and only if you are shooting a “subsonic” round. I can fire my 9mm and 45 without wearing ear protection when the silencer is on the gun, but it’s STILL LOUD AS HELL. And the silencers is a very long extension attachment on the barrel. No one pulled out a gun, fired it within a few feet and hid the gun again without anyone noticing the sound, EVEN if silenced. In fact, if a nearby shooter was using a silencer it would be EVEN more unlikely he could have hidden the gun after firing without being noticed by everyone around him - the silencer extends a hand gun barrel to the point that it almost looks like a rifle barrel. I find this “close proximity shooter” inconsistent with the reality of the loud noise and the attention it will draw. Can you imagine standing around with 10 friends, and someone pulls out a gun and fires it and tries to quickly hide the gun again? As though you might not notice?!? Not possible. Unlike in the movies, silencers don’t really “silence.” They reduce the bang, a bit, but not THAT much (sub-sonic rounds in a .22 excepted - nearly silent, but again, you’re now swinging an 12” to an 14” barrel and hoping no one sees it - a .22 silencer adds roughly 4”-7” to a 4” to 7” barrel - someone will surely quibble about the inches of an typical 22 barrel or shorter or longer suppressors, but they’re longer than a typical barrel and no one is whipping one out and firing and hiding it. Plus, the impact, and the way Charlie’s body shakes and shudders… which I will never forget… it was a high caliber rifle round, not a .22 or any handgun at close range).
If you’ve ever heard a large caliber heavy weapon suppressed,still sounds like a very loud firecracker. It’s nothing like they show in the movies.
i heard on "Today's Issues" on AFN that Frank Turek is one of the guys the conspiracy theorists targeted. Very sad. He is a friend of Charlie's. His ministry organization also speaks at college campuses. www.crossexamined.org
He co wrote a great book called “I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist”—my son is reading it for one of his classes.
Conspiracy theories have a way of being proved true these days, but still: what exactly is the benefit of doubting the public story here?
I find it very believable that the arrested suspect, who grew up around guns and later managed to get thoroughly blackpilled from the Left, saw an opportunity for him and his demons to deal a blow to civilization.
Jeff laid out the mentality behind these violent minds very well yesterday.
Do you think Vance and Bongino would participate in a cover up about this? Why should we automatically doubt the facts as presented? Is it just a reflexive skepticism of any official story, or is there actually a good reason to doubt here?
Finally, what would Charlie's take on this situation be (assuming he wasn't the victim)?
As the FBI has said, it's possible there were more people involved, but I'm personally confident they would have behind the scenes conspirators, not additional shooters.
Its called open-mindedness. But you believe it as you will:}
It’s garbage and I hate you hijacked the C&C to put this out. Just STOP!!
How do you know it’s garbage? What evidence can you present to believe so wholly that it is garbage? I don’t know if what we have been told so far is the whole story or not, or if this video is garbage or not, but I do know that the FBI and DOJ have made it clear that the investigation is ongoing about whether or not there is additional parties involved, and they even say they aren’t showing all their cards and that would obviously be for good reason, as Patel himself said yesterday, they aren’t going to tip off others they are looking into. There is NOTHING wrong with asking questions about all these oddities at this point, and your desire to shut Lori down and shame her for pointing something out that she saw makes you look worse than her.
Take a step back and calm down. People have a right to doubt and ask questions after all that we have been through the past decade.
Thank you Juju! Not to worry though, Kat could not ever shame me no matter how hard she/he tried. I ignore those that are close-minded.
Lori I accept JuJu comments but not the attached website which again is my point. I too have freedom of my opinions.
I never said you did not. Accept or reject whatever you like. That's what it is all about.
To answer your question yesterday, the RUACH is the Holy Spirit.
Thanks. I have never heard the Holy Spirit referred to in this way. Good to learn something new.
No reason not to debate, as Charlie.
You know Kat, I appreciate that you have a visceral reaction against people that seem like they are trying to push their pet cause or make a name for themselves on Charlie's death. It comes from a decent place, I mean that sincerely.
But you may want to consider that the bad guys use our emotional reactions against us. They use it to shut down debate, informed speculation, and people running down things for themselves. It's a manipulative trick they use very effectively to make people not question the official narrative.
As a perfect example, everything we now know about covid and the MRNA vax was from people who wouldn't do what they were told, who kept pushing "conspiracy theories, despite being angrily told their recklessness was "killing grandma".
The people doing this stuff want you upset, fearful, and angry because they know when people are in this mindset they make bad decisions and are easy to control. That's the entire purpose of the evening news and most media, and has been since at least WW2. It's propaganda to manipulate our emotions.
Yes there are plenty of dirtbags out there spouting nonsense they know isn't true to make a name for themselves (we saw this during Covid with Stu Peters and his ilk with vaccine "nanobots"). But there were also plenty of informed people who smelled BS, and figured out exactly why the vax was dangerous and seriously contaminated.
And we really don't know the whole story here I won't be at all surprised is some of the stuff people are calling "garbage" turns out to be exactly true. Don't let yourself be manipulated like this, they want you angry at the wrong things because then you won't think clearly.
Well stated, so much more eloquent than my attempt ❤️👍 thank you for a great example for how I can fine tune my own responses ❤️
One of the harder things for me was to figure out when people are saying things in bad faith vs. still being under the spell of the manipulators.
I gradually realized the bad faith people (and there are a handful on here) really do show their hand pretty clearly. They change their line of attack sometimes 180 degrees when something isn't working. They put words in people's mouths that they didn't say. They exaggerate and twist pretty much everything in extremely dishonest proportions. They attempt to invoke false guilt.
This is all sociopathic behavior, yet it's like breathing to some people. These people deserve to be called out as the shameless liars they are. They count on other people being passive and too "nice" to call them out. I sincerely believe it's cowardice to not call these people out as treating them with civility enables them. Christ wasn't civil to the Pharisees after all.
I don't get that at all with Kat. She's passionate but well-meaning, and hopefully with time will realize that getting upset clouds one's judgment which is exactly what the provocateurs count on.
We try 🙏🏽
Great words 🙏🏽
My complaint was most of these attachments had nothing to do with the Kirk assassination but yet the post said otherwise. The one I opened was about Israel and their unwarranted bombings, of Qatar and Gaza. Oh BTW Hamas still hasn’t freed all the Israeli hostages. So unwarranted bombing is hardly an accurate statement.
Amen. Just stop. I second this (apart from the “hate” part). Wait. Let Kash and Bongino work, because… THE LEFT MURDERED CHARLIE KIRK IN FRONT OF HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN.
Oy Vey, next. Love to see your open mind at work. LOL.
His children were in Arizona at their home. Geez!
"What Charlie Kirk has built is fairly called a signature accomplishment. But there’s so much more. Maybe most importantly, Charlie taught the rest of us that it could be done. He practically rubbed our faces in the fact that young people are not a lost cause."
It's easy to imagine the evil ones wanting to 'do something' about that!
His story is truly amazing and inspiring!
I get it. We lost an amazing hero no doubt but nothing is as it seems IMHO.
I stay off social media mostly but happened to see Erica's coffin farewell and thought it disgusting and tasteless like a bad PR stunt. Was that real? Are they insulting our intelligence, good faith, and morals in filming and posting that? That alone makes me sick. It seems they manipulated her to do it, and her speech seemed forced on her.
Media is turning it into a show and how dare we question??? Who knows but I am not going to get all worked up over it because they want us to and more division is accomplished.
Since when has the government given us truth? They manipulate and fear monger us with tragic events historically, not that events didn't happen, but that they use them to manipulate... real and faked events. Who said "you never want a serious crisis to go to waste?" Several people have said something similar. Our reality is what they tell us.
You don't think righteous leaders are taken out to further a one world gov?
If we don't question, then they take advantage of us. For example, if most people questioned the ridiculous masks and covid lockdowns etc, many lives and psyche could have been saved in hospitals and children's schools etc.
I am only a sheep to Jesus the good shepherd. Its the only truth we get.
I don’t think that coffin pic was real but I can’t be in the same shoes as Erika. I remember Jackie Kennedy wore the stained with her husbands blood clothing home on the plane with JFKs coffin because she said she wanted the world to see it. What “they” did to him. If that wasn’t Erika, I’m sure she did the same thing.
If the coffin show wasn't real then nothing they show us is real.
Plus, Jackie not changing an outfit was not a strange and awful thing to do like filming yourself or allowing it while kissing your dead husband's hands. That was pure PR. They are making hand over fist from the show whether real or not.
It is terrible what they are doing to his memory and I am not watching it or donating. They don't need it and the message it sends is that we believe the whole show IMHO. I am sad and disgusted about it at the same time.
I just remember Jackie saying thats why she wore that pink suit home. Her companions urged her to change. I was a sophomore in HS and devastated by the event and the young family exposed to such tragedy. I still have some newspapers tucked away. I know all the theories around but still I think of that terrible weekend and how everyone felt. We will never know the definitive truth not this recent trag dy either.
Some of us like discussion that is why we come to the comments. Don’t shut down discussion because you’re uncomfortable. Have you not learned anything?
Comments fine attached awful websites no
Gotcha I hardly ever attach websites but again let someone decide for themselves.
Against free speech. Ugh.
Have some tea and calm down and you Just STOP!!
Juju says it right. And your comment seems flippant in the same way which the radicals use to shut down any and all investigation.
Well, this 'garbage' is going to get huge scrutiny, because like the Kennedy assassination, what happened to Charlie is one of the really, really big events of the early 21st century. And already the 'more official' narrative has more hole in it than Swiss cheese.
I accept his comments as he will accept my opinions, but the Utube video attached was my objection .
JD was more than impressive yesterday. I don't know if I could have held up if it were my best friend.
I also wonder why not too much attention on
Adeeb Ahamed Nasir, 58, and Adil Justice Ahmed Nasir, 31, who were booked into jail and face multiple charges, including Threat of Terrorism, Possessing Weapons of Mass Destruction, and Possessing Explosive Devices. https://www.abc4.com/news/wasatch-front/magna-man-arrested-terrorism-charges/
When CNN did write about they did not print their names. Why didn't CNN mention their names?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/15/media/utah-fox-13-kstu-van-explosive-device-two-arrested
I did a search and barely found anything outside of Utah
Random: https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/woke-pathology-and-the-metastasis
Wow. Thanks for that.
Do not get CNN or any of the other alphabet news channels. I got my news from Charlie and now from Jeff Childers, el Gato. Bill Whittle and a few others on Substack.
Will check this out. .
Consider adding me to the list if you can
Bang on. Try Tony Kinnett on YouTube or podcast. 6 pm livestream YouTube.
I think we can guess why they didn't mention names.
… while the most damaging information of who needed Charlie dead is not being discussed, the most obvious, the most dangerous to anyone who utter a single word against them… and Charlie told as much to Vince Gill just hours before he picked up the microphone at UVU… https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/charlie-kirk-psyop?publication_id=651440&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email-share&triggerShare=true&r=697d8
https://youtu.be/ZC8RuK4lPBk?si=nhBcOghZj1UTNFRF
Just remember that all those who are BLAMING BIBI ARE FROM THE LEFT.
THE LEFT OPPOSES BIBI, NOT THE RIGHT.
There are those on here who oppose anything and everything about Israel or Jew. They are part of the leftist haters, but pretend they are on the right.
Many of them are on here, making many comments, daily.
They are shrewd and talk conservative until Israel comes up and then they make snarky and sometimes malevolent comments.
I scroll past any posters with a whiff of that. They can’t hide.
Thank you for that insight! 🫶
I am BRAND NEW to the comment section of C&C and the antisemitic comments here I find HORRIFYING and DISGUSTING.😡
I hope there are opposing commenters who vigorously dismantle the false claims of the antisemites. 🙏
Generally, yes. I just scroll past them. I’d leave a thumbs down if there was one. I’ve reported some of the worst ones.
TY Janet. 🙏
No left or right..
Just slaves and masters.
False. Quite false. Step out of the dispensational bubble and you'll find other denominations that don't think so highly of Israel because their eschatology is different. They are not leftists.
Funny how Judaism / Israel doesn't hate on any other religion or country -- unless they're trying to eradicate Judaism / Israel. You might want to contemplate who it is who should NOT be thought so highly of.
Antisemetic smears alert. Yeah, the Jews did it because Charlie had become a supporter of Hamas with serious questions about the October 7 massacre (the Jews masterminded the massacre and applauded the murders, the hostage taking and the desecration of Jewish corpses in the streets of Gaza after, because it benefited them??) and the right of the Jewish people to fight back and rid themselves of the threat to their tiny nation./s/
This is some serious and nasty )Jew hating bullsh*t and shame on you for cursing Israel when she is in a five front war for survival.
Everyone jumping into his shtick like Vance.
Shut up, nihilist.
Freemason entering chat.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but you’ll always be a nihilistic idiot.
Sounds like Freemason language.
"We always give the public their heroes. We give the heroes to every faction, and then people once they hear this person say all the right things, we give releases to them because he or she speaks for ‘me’. We say go there go do that and they do it. We give our power to the authorized heroes." Albert Pike Scottish Freemason
That's a big word.
What does it mean.
Golda Meir said that when someone points a gun at you and says they are going to kill you you should believe them.
I keep telling people this.
Check out Greg Gutfield’s takedown of Tarloff for her “both sides are guilty” lying remark….it is FANTASTIC
Yes, anyone who claims conservatives are like the Left is a lying liar. There are no similarities.
Absolutely! Speak now or forever hold your peace!
https://open.substack.com/pub/thegrayzone/p/billionaire-bill-ackman-convened?r=1pzmgt&utm_medium=ios
I’m my opinion, people like you already hated Israel. Perhaps you were taught that growing up or you just listened to so much MSDNC that you are simply crazy. But we KNOW that YOU latch on to EVERYTHING hateful against Israel.
We already KNOW.
And you want everyone you know to hate Israel as well.
Israel isn’t perfect. But guess what?
WE, our VERY OWN NATION is the biggest child trafficker nation in the world.
And YOUR heritage?
The biggest DRUG TRAFFICKERS in the world.
Point your finger at yourself .
Actually…. No…. I was of the dispensational sort that supported Israel whole heartedly… I felt that since everyone supposedly hated Israel that had the right to act with impunity…it is only in the last couple of years my eyes have been opened.
I support Israel as a nation… I just don’t believe, as with other Christian leaders, that there is a theological basis for it’s existence
Except that God is the creator of all nations….
Here is the question, I speak out against what Israel does, but I pray for the salvation of the Jews…
Some would say that still makes me anti semite.
By the way, I don’t listen to mainstream media except for Fox.
And yes our country is truly under the judgement of God almighty!
If you really believe in God’s judgment’ you might want to think about that blessing/cursing promise throughout the Bible.
Cowards! You make these claims and produce all this hearsay garbage that Charlie cannot respond to.
Well, I don’t doubt that good people might be concerned that Charlie might somehow fall into whatever dark hole that Tucker and Owens have dropped into.
Tell me that’s not about money and attracting and keeping a certain hateful base.
Hating Jews, cursing Israel is the popular position now; right in there with the demonic Left and all its branches.
https://open.substack.com/pub/crossroadsreport/p/ron-unz-everyone-in-charlie-kirks?r=1pzmgt&utm_medium=ios
I do not believe that.
That is fine…
What a worm you are to use Charlie to push your hate!
Cowards! You make these claims and produce all this hearsay garbage that Charlie cannot respond to.
Well, I don’t doubt that good people might be concerned that Charlie might somehow fall into whatever dark hole that Tucker and Owens have dropped into.
Tell me that’s not about money and attracting and keeping a certain hateful base.
Hating Jews, cursing Israel is the popular position now; right in there with the demonic Left and all its branches.
Half baked thought - what if younger people being much more willing to dehumanize the political opposition has to do with a lack of empathy - which has to do with being on the autism spectrum?
In other words, what if the massive number of people gloating over Charlie Kirk's murder has to do with vaccine injuries?
“Vance made a clear distinction between registered democrats and “a lunatic fringe on the far left.” -that’s because there is clear and distinct difference, unfortunately, many have chosen to isolate the good folks in Blue, lumping them all into the same basket. How unfortunate: they are Americans and entitled to their opinion and beliefs. The Draconian pendulum swings both ways and the ever-increasing surveillance state will prove that to you. And it’s a coming and currently wearing Red so….
Later Jay
May God have mercy on us and bless us; may He let His face shine upon us; and may He have mercy upon us.
Numbers 6:24-26 AMP
[24] ¶The Lord bless you, and keep you [protect you, sustain you, and guard you]; [25] ¶The Lord make His face shine upon you [with favor], And be gracious to you [surrounding you with lovingkindness]; [26] ¶The Lord lift up His countenance (face) upon you [with divine approval], And give you peace [a tranquil heart and life].’
https://bible.com/bible/1588/num.6.24-26.AMP
Amen and AMEN!
My dad used to bless me before bed every night with that verse. I continue the tradition by blessing my son with that same verse every night. Thank you for posting as that is very meaningful to me.
I first heard this when we were visiting Arugot Farms in the Judean Hills outside of Jerusalem. Our hosting Rabbi Jeremy Gimpel prayed this over us upon our departure. It is in our daily prayers. What a humbling reminder of our worldly community connection. Shalom Shalom
We call it, “The Blessing”, and it is the final benediction given by our pastors ending our church services.
Amen
Amos 5:26
But let justicer roll on like a river,
righteousnesss like a never-ending stream!
And give us Shalom - which means peace but can also be translated as wholeness or completeness.
One of my favorite verses
The NY Times reaction to Vance is quite telling. It reminds me of when Florida expanded the death penalty to include child rapists, and several trans activists claimed they felt personally threatened. As the meme says: “What an odd thing to say."
I keep my NYTimes subscription to read the comments section. The theme of the top comments to the article Jeff linked to were "welcome to Authoritarianism". They have a serious "the boy who cried wolf" problem because they've been saying this for 10 months.
All the while being the actual authoritarians the previous four years.
The Iron Law of Woke Projection never fails!
For nine years about Trump, but they also said it about both Bushes, Reagan, Nixon, etc.
Yes, I remember when W was the Left's ultimate bogeyman!
Yup. I was there then. Had a touch of BDS. Obama cured me. Although I still believe the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were evil.
I don’t want to support NYT so I don’t have a subscription, even though I would like to occasionally read articles. Such was the case last week, the day before Charlie was assassinated (such perfect timing, almost like they knew in advance…) when they ran a big piece on Nick Fuentes. So I went to my local library to read the 9/9 article and it wasn’t there in the print edition. I’m wondering if it only appeared digitally?
I checked for you searching NYTimes website. It says it was in the Sept 15th print edition, but I copied a "gift" link. I don't think I've ever used it before so see if it works. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/09/us/politics/nick-fuentes-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.mU8.hU81.Ng7Yb2uBMLEu&smid=url-share
I watched Fuentes's show once and that was enough. He did a "response" video after Tucker and Candace criticized him on Tucker's show, so I watched that. He's just such and obnoxious jerk, I wouldn't care what he was saying - it's hard to tolerate that much negativity. Anyway, I read the NYTimes article and at least they admitted Fuentes can't stand Trump or JD Vance. They also (maybe inadvertently) debunked the lesser Charlottesville hoax. They quote Fuentes as leading a chant saying "You will not replace us." not the more commonly misquoted "Jews will not replace us."
Thank you kindly!
I saw that Meme as well, it's nothing short of amazing, how powerful those things have become.
Since there is a child trans in my family, I’d say they rape children’s minds as well.
Weighty Matters: A Libertarian Perspective with some Pretzel Logic. The idea of "Hate Speech" is abhorrent to the Libertarian mind. But so is the idea that burning a flag is speech. That isn't speech but rather arson. Seems like the greatest legal minds of our generation would know that... but I digress.
It is stupid to outlaw speech. Lies, however, can and very well should have consequences. Legal consequences for sure, but the punishment should be more than just monetary. The Beasts of Revelation already have all of the money and even when the uber rich sue them and win some settlement, they don't feel the sting. Every lie the NYT tells should be met with the punishment of them having to publish a front-page story written by the people they lied about. Alternatively, they could be forced to publish C&C every day. The segment could be titled: What we lied about yesterday.
And for today’s We Lie to You News, yesterday we lied about this…. See page 2 for today’s lies 😂
The good news is that Trump has announced a $15 billion dollar libel suit against The NY Times to be filed in Florida!
Should be $15 TRILLION.
And go back many years.
May we all learn to hear truth with context and not ‘selective words’ that reinforce our own, and those we influence, biases. The NYT editors literally may be blinded to hear the real truth - or intentionally spewing lies to keep people divided. I don’t know. I am having conversation now with a friend who hears the same things I do and comes up with a different interpretation based on her experiences and what she has been programmed to think.
I am trying to listen in love and make sure that my interpretations are true as well.
Exactly! We can easily see the left is indoctrinated and many live in an echo chamber….but can the same be said of me? I believe I’m thoughtful and evaluate what I hear and see….but I also have certain people that I just trust whatever they say when I read it (a Mr Jeff Childers falls on that list LOL….although when time allows I do try to read more widely to ensure I really agree). It’s tough to be self reflective though - to truly evaluate ourselves
If your desire is to keep your compass pointed to true North, no better way to keep it calibrated than with a daily dose of the Bible. And pray Acts 26:18 over your friend!
The Newsweek article linked above…they are still not giving up their narrative.
“The shooting comes amid a broader climate of political violence across the United States. In June, Minnesota Democratic state Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband were shot and killed in their home a targeted political act.”
See, both sides are killing! (We just won’t mention it was a disgruntled leftie who killed Hortman after she voted with the Republicans on a bill.)
Greg Gutfeldt absolutely went off on Jessica Tarlov when she tried to use the “Both Sides” argument on the Five, the other night. He did a whole monologue of his own on it. He actually apologized to her that he had said too much. But he wasn’t sorry for exploding, just in blaming her. It was pretty good.
They are spreading propaganda.
The NY Times out and out lied about the guy who torched the Pennsylvania governor's mansion. they claim he is conservative, he's an anti-Israel lefty. They also want to call Paul Pelosi's attacker conservative. I understand he's basically a hippy. They do have a point that a lot of conservatives were snickering over the attack, which was unseemly.
Conservatives did not kill them. Stop posting LIES.
The following was relayed by a 20-year hunter/outdoorsmen, and former firearm safety instructor —
(As I am not a firearm or ballistics expert, I’d appreciate feedback on these points)
“More than a few screws are loose with what the public is being told about Charlie Kirk’s death, and the current investigative efforts. Here’s just some of the things that don’t add up:
1. Both the .30-06 frame and the Mauser frame are serious weapons. They were each originally designed for the prosecution of war (maximum damage/stopping power), and are adaptable for and effective at hunting big game. Let that sink in: These rifles each can drop 800lb elk with a well placed shot or two, and elk hide is incredibly tough compared to a human being’s skin. Even at a considerable distance in the 200-300 yard range, a clean shot to the lower neck area of a person, just above the clavicle, by either of these weapons would almost certainly produce a “jelly’ing” effect, and would leave a significant entry and exit wound. You might be able to make an exception for a direct hit on bone, or on wearable body armor, but in both of those scenarios you then end up with an “outward-explosive” effect as the round fragments and begins to decelerate in all directions at once. This produces spray, and there would be a lot of spray coming from an obliterated brachial or carotid artery. It would be all over the victim’s face, shirt, hair, and everything in the immediate vicinity on the torso and abdomen. The story is basically the same for .233/.556 rounds, which are the rounds fitted to almost all AR15 platforms.
2. For the rooftop shooter to be the actual bad guy here, at that distance, you would need an expert marksmen firing a round large and stable enough to hold its trajectory through a small cross breeze over ~600 feet, yet small enough to not do those things I just described above upon impact. That leaves a very narrow cross section of applicable weaponry, and again I want to stress that the person pulling the trigger would need to be extremely well trained on *that specific rifle*, as no rifles are ever truly the same even when they are the same make/model.
3. Stopping power is something most people don’t think about when they witness a gun shot event, be it in the news or on the hunting field, but it matters. The rooftop shooter would have been positioned at about Charlie’s 10o’clock, maybe 1030, if we use the perspective of him being seated on stage looking out over the crowd. I can tell you that even accounting for a moving chair apparatus, being struck by any of the weapons listed in item number 1 would, at the absolute minimum, visibly shift his entire body in the chair, and more than likely knock him clear off of it.
4. Disassembly — not only do the official narratives not yet agree on this and other premises (what was used v. what was allegedly found by FBI, etc), but all 3 rifles described above, plus most of the popular and comparable hunting rifles out there, are complex mechanisms that require specialized tools of the trade to disassemble and reassemble. And to do so with any of them in less than 3-4 minutes without a dedicated workspace, and limited tools, is just simply unheard of.
Someone’s lying somewhere.
End
I do not know about firearms, so I checked with an expert who DOES. In reference to Webe1's post I was briefly told:
1. ".30-06" is the caliber of ammo, not a "frame"
2. "Mauser" is a MANUFACTURER that makes MANY DIFFERENT firearms. Again, not a "frame".
3. "200-300 yard range" is a 'gimme' with a long gun and does NOT require marksmanship expertise. In fact, the accused shooter could have been aiming for head or center of mass (which is more likely. WHO *AIMS* for the NECK?) and hit the neck instead
4. Has the information been confirmed WHAT CALIBER of ammo the accused shooter used?? I am not aware of that info. If it was steel tipped ammo it would have gone STRAIGHT THROUGH a soft target like a neck and WOULD NOT have blown out the exit. (If it was a hollow point then yes, it would have created a mess upon exit.)
5. There IS NO caliber ".556" There is 5.56. If the writer meant "556" there is no DECIMAL.
My commentary:
The conflation of bs have-baked information, especially that which BLAMES THE JEWS (as USUAL) 🙄 is pretty gross. Just remember, THE LEFT IS WHO HATES BIBI so if you see the narrative that Bibi is to blame IT IS BEING PUSHED FROM THE LEFT.
Yeah, happen to own and shoot a Spanish Mauser in 30-06. First off,the shot was only about 140 yards. That’s a cake shot for that round and rifle. I mean to say I could put the 60 year old ammunition I own, through a donut hole at that range, with the 65 year old Mauser I own. And then no, it can’t be taken apart. And it’s long. Long long. So there are some discrepancies in what we are being told,but then we are being fed bullshit for the past 50 years,so what’s new?
What Gail W write is true from my experience (I do know firearms, but have only my own experience)
What I saw:
Charlie Kirk was wearing a vest, could have had steel or ceramic protection plates, but I cannot know that.
Shot hit to the left side of the neck, whether an accurate aim ( I doubt it) or accident.
It looked like the entrance and exit wounds might have just been one big wound. I cannot see close enough.
Since I cannot see close enough, it could have been a ricochet from a metal plate in the vest to the neck. (depending on the ammo, absolutely possible but not likely)
Shot did not come from the side or how he fell would be different and the damage would be different. That is my experience only, I acknowledge that someone else's lived experience could be different.
It's not just CALIBER, but bullet diameter (caliber), bullet weight (in grains or grams), cartridge length (in millimeters or inches), bullet type (e.g., Full Metal Jacket, Soft Point) and a host of other considerations as to what kind of damage would be done. I would normally assume if this was really "Grandpa's gun", the ammo would be pretty standard, but depends on where Grandpa got the gun from and what he used it for and if the killer purchased any new ammo.
That was not a current (or IMO standard) Mauser gun. Might have been shorter than the norm because of that fact.
I don't believe the gun was disassembled ( nor do I think it easily could be), but that it arrived on campus shoved into the waistband of his pants, with the stock tucked under his own vest, and it came down off the roof with him (he drags what looks like the gun in a bag off the roof with him and carries it off)
I believe the scope may have been attached after arriving on the roof. The scope position shown in the box with the rifle was not the norm.
I am open to other theories, but this wasn't a hard shot for anyone who shoots regularly. The assumption could have been that even with a vest, a bullet would make it through shooting at center mass. Or the shooter might have been aiming for the head and missed (Charlie Kirk moved around a lot). I can't imagine anyone would aim for a neck on purpose. I, personally, see exactly how the gun most likely arrived and how it left the site.
So from my experience, with what I could see and what I know, this lines up fine. Doesn't mean it is the truth, but is 100% possible that it was exactly as the shooter says so should not be ruled out.
Has anyone disclosed how the gunman obtained the gun/rifle?
There was a note that was under his keyboard and you will find some information in that, but not the specifics of "how" he obtained it, just that it was (at least at one point) his grandfathers. It may simply have been a gun in the house.
https://www.advocate.com/crime/tyler-robinson-roommate-helpful
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1968027527273718104
There's been a big lack of info on that. I guess we should ask Dan "transparency" Bongino.
No it isn’t. People on the left and the right, and everywhere in between, are asking certain questions, and are utterly disgusted and terrified by Bibi’s behavior. Charlie was asking those questions, and Tom close friends. He was terrified of Bibi, and large swaths of his followers, young people in their 20s and 30s, were/are asking these questions as well.
Tucker Carlson has been asking the same questions.
I am eager to tune in to Tucker’s panel discussion tonight to see what they have to say.
I respectfully and VEHEMENTLY disagree.
I am ‘on the right’ and I do not know A SINGLE PERSON OPPOSED TO BIBI securing the safety of Israel, AND I know some otherwise left-leaning Jews who support his actions too BECAUSE JEWS ARE SICK AND TIRED - just like Christians have gotten — of being blamed for EVERY frigging thing that OTHERS START. FAFO.
Tucker NO LONGER IS REPRESENTATIVE of anything resembling the ‘right’.
He has trafficked in grotesque Holocaust deniers and other BLATANT ANTISEMITES to the point where I originally was a paid subscriber of his and cancelled and waste none of my time on him any longer. He, Candace and the rest of that ilk can go…away.
Does anyone know if the bullet that killed Charlie has been found? I know basically nothing about guns but I would think the bullet would show what gun type was used.
Point 1 - I expected a pass-through with a huge exit wound you could stick your fist in. I've shot a lot of deer. Arrows usually pass through, but they're different. I've never had a shotgun slug pass through, but again they're different. My 30-30, which is less powerful than a 30-06 may pass through, but its ballistics are different. Less velocity so the bullet stays more intact. The higher the velocity, the more fragmentation. Degree of fragmentation also depends on the bullet type which we don't know - full metal jacket, soft point, hollow point? Their penetration varies. No pass through might be plausible, I'll wait to hear from a bona fide expert on that, and there are many who claim to be that are not.
Point 2 - total BS. It would not require an expert marksman, just a competent shooter with some experience. We can be pretty sure he missed his target which was head or center mass unless he aimed for the neck, which is not likely. If he'd missed horizontally instead of vertically by the same amount Charlie would probably be alive. Windage - not a factor at all in this case. Training on a specific rifle? More BS. Sure familiarity helps but if you can shoot a rifle you can shoot any standard rifle.
Point 3 - Total BS. I've shot many human size animals with both slug and rifle right where I aimed and I couldn't tell they were even hit by their immediate reaction. They were dead very quickly though.
Point 4 - BS I think. Many long guns can have the stock/fore-end removed from the barrel/action with a single screw. Not sure about Mauser-style rifles, but I have a rifle like that. That's not total disassembly but enough to make the weapon more easily concealed for transport.
If a rifle was disassembled and reassembled it should then be sighted in for accuracy.
There are lots of opinions and lots of BS swirling about the shooting, including all the experts who assured everyone that this was a professional hit from the moment it occurred. Addressing the points in the order presented:
1- I’m not sure what the point of contention may be based on the discussion of exit wounds, blood dispersion, body armor, etc., but until more details are known (such as bullet type, weight, and velocity, precise point of impact, body armor, etc.) it is not easy to speculate with accuracy about the effect that should have been produced. It certainly was a fatal wound, as could be expected with a .30-06 in the neck.
2- It appears the range was well under 200 yards, perhaps less than 150 yards. Not at all a difficult shot. It actually appears rather sloppy, as the neck was almost certainly not the point of aim.
3- The description of expected reaction of an individual struck with a bullet is incorrect. For example, it is possible to shoot an empty aluminum can with a high-powered rifle without knocking the can over. Energy transfer does not work that way with hyper-sonic ammo. Rather, there will be a wound channel of .30 inches at point of entry, in the case of a .30-06, and again, depending on specifics like bullet type, potential expansion and tissue damage occurring along the course of the bullet. It is likely the bullet passed through, and created an exit wound, with unspent energy as a result.
4- There is not yet any indication that assembly or disassembly of the rifle occurred.
Good morning, C&C! There is a very faint lightening over the mountain behind our home - dawn is arriving later and later these days. Fall is arriving here in the PNW.
Mrs. "the Knife"
I’m actually jealous of the central Texas weather. I’ve been down here helping my son for a couple weeks and every day is crisp blue skies and clear with cotton ball clouds - and in the 90s. Consistent 90s and blue skies in mid-September is pretty much on the level of the Easter Bunny and Bigfoot to a Chicagoan. The weather here and its sky is the most beautiful. I’m so jelly.
Re those crisp blue skies--I have not, in last few months, been seeing those peculiar not-like-contrails clouds. Contrails, on the other hand, I have watched, 6-8 times each week, over my clothesline for the last 38 years. Said clothesline, which requires that I look straight up at the sky in order to hang the sheets, sits under the PHL flyway.
Clothesline? I thought that was a kind of tackle?
I adore that you have a clothesline. Reminds me of my mom mom’s
In fact, it was my husband’s grandmother’s! It just received its second make-over, with second round of new spars of Sitka spruce, and about 8 coats of Epiphanes varnish.
My mother’s is in process of getting the same make-over, and then sitting in wait, for a daughter to need it. In 1954, I learned to ice skate, holding on to the laundry basket bench under that clothes line.
There's plenty of people who will tell you Texas is God's Country.
90? Too hot!
Well it’s dove season. When the dove start moving down from the North fall has finally arrived.
Is it still humid there at this time of year?
I don’t feel any humidity actually. It’s a dry heat, like a sauna. That’s probably why the 90° is more tolerable for me here than when I’m back in Chicago where we have unbearable humidity at that high of heat.
You’re saying that Texas isn’t really humid Like the East?
Yes, we've lost over 2 hours of light already here in ID. But it's Indian summer, at least for this week.
For some reason, the hours of daylight feel like they are unwinding faster this year. I am feeling quite surprised that it is dark by 20:00 hours already. I shouldn't be, it is mid-September, after all, but I am.
Mrs. "the Knife"
Cloudy here in EA WA. Oops, maybe I should put on my glasses.
Gonna be 86 today here on the western side of the state.🥵😎😅
Our last gasp of summer!
Mrs. "the Knife"
Jeff, don't y'all get, like, 10 cloudy days per year? 😂🤣 At least, according to my brother!
Mrs. "the Knife"
Not sure. Haven't lived here too long. Relocated from CA. Before that, NY.
And it’s cool and crisp in the morning even though it is supposed to be 80 degrees later. 🍁
For us here in S, Oregon, September is like another summer month, but cooling down nicely from August.
East wind here on the Oregon Coast. Must be hunting season!
The media is largely to blame for Charlie’s murder. The sheer volume of people on X and everywhere else celebrating is sickening.
BRIGHT SPOT: I remembered the lady who started ReACT19 saying after they told their covid “vaccine” injury stories to a roomful of the PRESS, many of them were openly crying. ReACT19 assumed they would go back and report their stories and an avalanche of, “OH, my GOODNESS, how horrific” headlines would ensue.
Alas,
no. Most of all them wrote the usual “safe and effective”, “very rare” drivel they’d been writing for years.
These stories DO get to people, even vile reporters.
MAYBE we can effect change nu somehow spotlighting these stories ourselves.
Jeff: "Progressives slew him to shut him up and shut him down..."
I'm not saying this to be a contrarian. "Progressives" are certainly slaying him rhetorically everyday both before and after Charlie's death. But "Progressives" did not kill him. There was no mob of progressives that showed up to lynch him or nail him to a cross.
The murder of Charlie Kirk was the result of a very specific and identifiable plot for very nefarious purposes. If we think the public explanation for Charlie's murder is accurate, we haven't been paying attention and remain susceptible to their psyops. We should know by now that every public explanation given to us never is the truth.
Everything that happens on the mass media stage is theater designed to manipulate us and hide the truth. Theater is psyops. Be skeptical.
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/15/bill-ackman-israel-intervention-charlie-kirk/
This C&C audience experienced in real time what it feels and means to have your government lie to you every day, as they did during the plandemic. Suddenly, with a different administration in charge, we now believe everything the government tells us is true? C’mon people…
The tranny shooter story is frankly insulting. They should try harder.
The "lone gunman" psyops has been used so much, that explanation is growing very thin! Yet the public still falls for it.
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-netanyahu-israel-assassination/
Thanks for this link. Very interesting.Very.
I am weary of unnamed sources everywhere in virtually every headline any longer. I do know that Candace Owens has converted to Catholicism and I know her views on Israel. But I also know that the Catholic Church has a world of skeletons in it’s closet. Charlie speaks of Pastor Rob McCoy as his pastor. I have never heard the doctrine that evangelicals support Israel at all costs. That is truly news to me. Biblically speaking the Bible refers to Israel being blest, but that can and has been interpreted many ways. The state of Israel as it exists today has only been since the 1950’s . Who is to say if it will not fall and rise again. The fact is most of present day Israel is not Jewish, and most American Jews are Liberals supporting who. It does make for discussion however.
Was Foreign Intelligence Involved in the Assassination of Charlie Kirk? Why the Shooter Was Likely a Patsy…
An exhaustive report detailing why we think the official story is a coverup for something far more sinister than most can ever imagine.
https://diedsuddenlynews.substack.com/p/was-foreign-intelligence-involved
Ron Unz: Everyone in Charlie Kirk's circle thinks Israel killed him
https://crossroadsreport.substack.com/p/ron-unz-everyone-in-charlie-kirks
This gave me goose bumps. Has some graphic scenes of Charlie. Please all of you who think something else happened that day, watch this utube. Around the 13:40 mark is point of great interest that believe guy in custody is a patsy. The whole utube was very informative about alternative theories as to why he was shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdYfAJIq6-M
Repeatedly posting the same thing here is annoying and unnecessary. You aren't dealing with illiterate people here.
I am ready to block her.
please do, it would be wonderful. Bye bye debra.
LOL, next.
“Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience…” St. Paul
JeffChilders, in many ways you are like Charlie Kirk! You are bold in your faith (pointing back to the Scriptures or Bible stories), you speak truth and Truth throughout these 5.5 years on C&C, you work tirelessly to educate and enlighten your readers & listeners, and you love your family and America dearly. You are inspiring in your own right and we appreciate you more than we can say. But I do thank God we have a great unifier in you.
Amen and AMEN! Shalom Shalom
Yes, very true.
“Give, Send, Go” is a safer option. “Go fund me” withheld donations from the Canadian truckers.
I've been watching Charlie's most recent college appearances on YouTube. Such a gift he had of communicating with young skulls full of mush as Rush would say.
In Boise last month he argued eloquently on behalf of the death penalty. I found it fascinating in light of what his killer faces. His argument boiled down to it being an injustice that a killer be able to enjoy what they take from another.
His knowledge of scripture and history was remarkable, his patience extraordinary. May eternal loght shine upon him.
When you see a person carrying a gun in public, thank them, they are taking on a huge responsibility, they are making it safer for all of us.
Thinking the world is going to physically end imminently
Thinking there is nothing in having children and grandchildren
Not being able to own a home and never achieving economic stability
That the authorities are targeting you
Thinking your neighbors want you and your lifestyle dead
Your neighbors need a vaccine for you to live
Fear. It is all connected by fear. And the media proforma is to sell that fear for profit
We wonder why someone acts like he/she has nothing to lose?
They are told there is nothing and they congregate in the hedonism, their materialism, their nihilism for value. We have seen this happen before in human history. Pharisaic judgment and the evil power it conveys.
Family
Religion
Work Ethic
Discipline
Empathy
We must figure this out quickly.
Blk pill accelerationist-“Bleak outlook on civilization”
Dear Lord the ramifications of Black Pill movement and someone being near the nuke codes.
Please call your senators today. Tomorrow, September 17, Pharma and its flying monkeys are planning a full frontal attack on Kennedy at the Senate hearing to try to oust him. They have been plotting for months. If you care about medical freedom, please make the calls and leave messages. Thank you!
I would, but my senator is Patty Murray…as bad as Pocahontas.
Please call anyway. Let them know we’re out here.
It’s useless for me to call my Senators Dumb and Dumber - I mean Blumenthal and Murphy