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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

"There is a simple solution: allow student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy after making a reasonable effort to pay them back. That’s all it would take."

And include a proviso that ANY student loan debt discharged in bankruptcy must be repaid to the US Treasury from the endowment fund of the school for which the debt was taken and to whom the loan funds were given.

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

That puts ALL the colleges and universities in a position to make sure their students' loans are responsible and reasonable, and to make sure their OWN curriculum is one that will provide students with a valuable degree, and to make sure there's a matching-up of degrees provided with the debt incurred to receive those degrees.

It's a moral hazard (or whatever the term is) when the schools are at ZERO RISK for the sht degrees they churn out, and the massive paydays they receive for churning out the sht degrees.

They have NO skin in the game right now. They should be at severe risk of being Hannibal Lectered if they continue to do what they've been doing.

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Big E's avatar

Kinda like the jab manufacturers with no liability and no responsibility to put out safe, effective, and necessary products. Just sayin’

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

My son tried to pay off his loan, asking if there might be a break if he paid off all at once, well you guessed it. Nope, nothing, nadda you pay the entire thing, no breaks. Where’s the incentive? Not even $50 off...so instead he’s investing his cash and paying the minimum. The % ‘s are minimal so to me it makes more sense for them to give the kids a break for early pay off 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Annie's avatar

I think as more people realize that college is not delivering what they advertise, they will be unwilling to pay the price. Many of my children's friends are foregoing college as they know how debilitating student loan debt is to your finances and lifestyle.

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

Why not go to less expensive smaller schools?

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Annie's avatar

Or a trade school or start working and take courses online with a community college. The traditional college experience is not there like it used to be.

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Bryn Cannon's avatar

Our kids’ high school counselor suggested this to parents at a meeting about college. He called them “flyover states” - the first time I’d heard my hometown called that - and urged us to consider them because they are better deals financially and more apt to offer scholarships. This was in Seattle, and none of those snooty people was in the least interested. ;-P

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Annie's avatar

And worse yet, expose their children to people who are conservative. Oh the horror and the triggering! Melting snowflakes alert ⚠️ lol 😅

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RunningLogic's avatar

Oh heavens, they couldn’t possibly bear the indignity of studying at and graduating from a *flyover state* school!! 😱😱😱

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Melissa S's avatar

But even those schools in the flyover states can put a student in massive debt for decades. It is not only the tuition and fees, but the living expenses of dorm, food, and transportation back and forth to home during breaks. Even better if at all possible, go to school locally. Live at home. Forgo the drunken, socializing, out of state college experience. Work part time. Focus on getting the degree and graduating.

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Trakker's avatar

http://allencc.edu is a regular brick & mortar community college (Kansas) with an online presence. It's ~$160 per semester credit INCLUDING book rental for out of state students. AND they accept CLEP, DANTES, ACE credits for transfer.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Parents will lose the ability to brag about their little darlings going to an elite school.

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

Let them pay for it

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Raptor's avatar

I saw a little advertisement not long ago talking about a program for people who have not gone to college, but have great on the job skills where they can get assistance with getting employed by companies who value that and want to hire them. Or something to that effect. There are companies out there who are not putting a huge value on the degree. More and more I think. I hope. Mike Rowe has a program for people where they can go to a tradeschool (and get help going (I think). The cost is working hard in school and going out and getting a job in that trade (I think). I am a little sketchy on the details, but I have watched a few programs on Youtube about success from the program. There are ways around college that lead to success. It won't be a doctor or an engineer, but PLENTY of other professions don't need college.I'd name a few but surely people will get all aflame over it.

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Anna T's avatar

Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for the trades! Continuing success to him and his program.

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Annie's avatar

I know the state of Pennsylvania removed a 4 yr degree as a requirement on many state jobs. It is not needed. Learn in an entry level position and work your way up.

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Trakker's avatar

And Trump removed the degree requirement for computer jobs for federal employment.

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CuiBono?'s avatar

Absolutely!

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Michael Framson's avatar

Go to college and come out deranged so you can work for the Dept. of Education or become a teacher and teach derangement studies. All you need are pronouns.

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Oona Pilot's avatar

The purpose of college is seen (falsely) as being preparation for a JOB - not a career mind, a JOB. Careers are made by decisions, experiences at job(s) plural and development of interests and skills. That's how you get where you get in life. And no, a college degree is not required in many cases. In fact you'd be better of without one for many... I am thinking of my hairstylist who emigrated to US from Italy, with a paid certificate in hairdressing (after his military service in Italy they paid for him to get the training). Started his own little storefront shop, rented out chairs, got clients worked like a dog. Was very talented, ladies loved him, and over the years his salon grew into a multi million dollar salon that Aveeda bought out from him. Another one I know (also hairdresser) sacrificed time with family, developed his own line of makeup, owned a salon, had his own hair products and was a many times millionaire when he finished his career. 10 million I think... so. Moral of story is: COLLEGE is not about JOBS or CAREERS. Even if you do get an engineering degree! Or a nursing degree! You still have to learn on the job...

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Anna T's avatar

I paid off my student loans from 1978-1988. I came into enough money to pay them off earlier in 1984, but had I done so, I would have been charged an "extra fee" for daring to do that. So I continued with the scheduled payment until 1988. Crazy town.

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John A George's avatar

Ah yes, not only no reward for doing the right thing, but a penalty to boot. Bureaucratic thinking to the nth degree.

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Copernicus's avatar

Well, he clearly isn’t listening to folks like Dave Ramsey. Paying off debt ASAP is really a very good idea. Save an emergency fund, and then stick your cash into paying off the debt.

Lose your job? You will be glad you have no student loan debt at risk of default. Or car debt, etc.

I was grateful several years ago when we had a family crisis and my spouse was off work for several months, and I was not working my part time job so as to be able to care for spouse, that we did not have outstanding student loan or other debt. Even our house was paid off.

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Raptor's avatar

And now you can pile that cash up very very fast for retirement. Way to get after it C.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I would argue that the peace of mind he would get from just putting that behind him, trumps any financial gain he gets from investing. Life circumstances change, investing is almost like gambling these days based on returns (but yes, I do still sock money away each month but try not to fixate on the roller coaster) and if he needs those invested dollars during a downturn he will take a loss. My son's debt was modest, he only had to borrow his last semester, but he paid it off in full less than a year after he graduated and said it was like a weight off his back. But I do agree, if the gov is backing these loans, with the idea that this is 'helping' students, then why DO they charge all this interest? I would argue that if the are going to do anything on this debt issue, they should pay off the interest part only. They borrowed it, they should still pay back the principal.

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daverkb's avatar

Invest in what? Overpriced Real Estate. A fake stock market propped up by the Fed's trading desk in New York? Investing in an overpriced House of Cards and play the Old Maid Game? The guy may yet wish he had paid off the loan.

The only things now under-priced are price suppressed by the PTB ... things like gold and silver. And that is a waiting game, in effect the out-waiting the rigged casino.

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Nikki's avatar

Agree. I'm 47 and still owe about $20,000 on my student loans. My interest is right around 2%. At this point in my life, it makes more sense financially to invest that money and only pay the minimum on the loan.

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axons007's avatar

Why is that? If I pay extra on my mortgage each month, I save thousands in interest over the life of the loan.

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

The schools will still be able to provide gender studies degrees if they want, but the cost of those degrees should not be the same as the cost of an accounting degree, for example.

The cost of the gender studies degree should be maybe $600 total rather than $55,000/yr. Because $600 is about all it's worth, as we have seen.

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Donna in MO's avatar

There is lots of data out there on estimated salaries and educational requirements for all kinds of careers. When my daughter wanted to get a useless degree, we sat down with her, explained the ROI on what that degree would cost, vs what she would earn when she got it. It was negative. Told her if she wanted that degree, go for it. But the bank of mom and dad were not going to pay for it. Oh she screamed and hollered and called us all kinds of names. Said we were destroying her 'dreams'. But 11 years later, she has a useful degree, debt free, and likes her job. 18 YOs are not as smart as they think they are. Too many parents don't stand up to their kids, or buy this whole claptrap about 'following your dreams' but there are lots of paths to a fulfilling and happy life. A dream job with a giant debt millstone around your neck is not a dream life.

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SB's avatar

I was recently asked if I loved my job. I was kinda surprised by the question. My response was basically that I don't love my job, I don't hate my job either. It's a job. It's a good job and I'm very thankful for it. I've had much worse jobs but having a job isn't about "love." It's a JOB. Would I rather be doing a hundred other things every day, yes. However, I like to eat. I like for my family to eat. I like to have a roof over my head and I like to have a reliable car to drive. I like to be able to pay for other "fun" things, too. When did having a job become a love affair?

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

When I was not much more than a tot, I saw my teenaged neighbor doing yardwork. Being neighborly, I strolled over and asked him, “What are you doing?” Without stopping, he said, “Pulling weeds.” I asked, “Do you like pulling weeds?” Without stopping, he said, “It has to be done.” Quite the life lesson.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I used to run a manufacturing association and one of the things we offered was a series of leadership/management classes geared toward low to mid level supervisors. I would sit in/audit classes from time to time, and one of the instructors would start out the series with an ice breaker: name one unusual thing about you. Most of the participants had jobs that were not exciting - and yet, had the most interesting hobbies. Rebuilding vintage motorcycles, coaching their child's lacrosse team, winning awards in bass fishing tournaments, and on and on. Practically everyone had SOMETHING that they were passionate about. But like you said, they also liked to eat, and mfg jobs pay very well, which enabled them to pursue their 'passion'. I am self employed, I do love what I do (research) but there are parts of it I hate - clients who slow pay, tech issues, some projects are boring as heck, and so on. But I like to eat too.

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CuiBono?'s avatar

Couldn’t agree more, thank you! I just said this very thing to someone a couple days ago. It’s hard to believe how deluded people have become.

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Michele's avatar

You know what they say...

I followed my dreams...right off a cliff.

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Michael Framson's avatar

Donna, your comment made my day! Thank you!

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Raptor's avatar

Sage.

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rolandttg's avatar

plus, you don't have to hire experienced, knowledgable (think expcnsive) professors to teach those classes. In fact, the dumber and more desperate the gender studies teaching applicants (think cheaper) are, the better .

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Heather's avatar

Excellent! I’m certain I will be a lottery winner before a plan like this gets enacted, but it makes so much sense (and you know how much our legislators like good sensible laws)

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

$493mil Powerball tonight! Think how many deadbeats' loans you could pay off if you won the jackpot…!

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Wow. A voice of reason. Between you and Jeff, I think you may have a viable solution.Spreading the risk is brilliant.

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Bgagnon's avatar

Absolutely! Let's really be bold and daring and bring back personal and enterprise responsibility!

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Roger Beal's avatar

This is precisely why your plan will not be implemented. Same reason that Congress will never approve term limits on themselves.

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Mom of 5's avatar

My kids are responsible for their college costs. We have told them college is not the only way to go but if college is their choice then the end must justify the means. They are not to incur $200K in debt for a degree with no career possibilities. (We know a few baristas with marine biology degrees.) So far this has worked out. Three of five kids have graduated. The first with NO DEBT and now earning over six figures. The second is still steadily paying off his debt and just under six figures in income. The third just owes the federal loans that have been in Biden limbo for the last few years but is living at home, working, and saving for when that day arrives. Two more to go. We will see.

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Obelisk's avatar

Well put, good idea.

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axons007's avatar

WE should start a list:

* Bentley has a BS degree in DEI.

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Annie's avatar

Yeah. These universities are not philanthropic institutions they pretend to be. They are some of the worst money grabbing and discriminatory institutions/businesses out there.

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Melissa S's avatar

I think of universities and colleges like the dollar loan businesses. Both encourage crippling debt.

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Copernicus's avatar

My college, which did not accept gov loans, would not permit students with more than a certain amount of debt to re-enroll until they had reduced their debt. They didn’t want folks incur unreasonable amounts of debt.

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The Great Santini's avatar

Absolutely. I’d be all in for debt forgiveness as long as it is charged back, in full, to the Alma Mater of the debtor. We need to privatize future student loans and make them just like any other personal loan, to include being dischargeable in bankruptcy.

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

Also, student loan debt would not be eligible for discharge in bankruptcy for the first 10 years after the last date the student was enrolled.

Otherwise, there would be an incentive for students to declare bankruptcy the day after they graduate to wipe the slate clean, with little resulting harm to their future lives.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

My son had a debt from his 4 years at a State University in PA--he had 10 years to re pay it (according to the terms of the loan agreement he signed when entering the university. He repaid it in about 6 1/2 years...right before he and my DIL had their first of 3 children. THAT'S THE WAY TO REPAY STUDENT DEBT!!!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Or at least never ever receive another IRS tax refund.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Ooh yeah, I like that one!

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Lisa's avatar

Interesting

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CuiBono?'s avatar

This is brilliant, how I wish this would happen - it needs to!! I was shocked a couple years ago to read that the endowment fund of our local university (a state university) is in the BILLIONS. I can’t remember the exact number now but seems like it was around $2.5 billion? And rising at a brisk rate, just like their tuition and associated fees.

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Starsky's avatar

That was my first response when I heard the SCOTUS ruling: “So when will they be able to discharge this debt in a bankruptcy filing?” The law which, of course, was enacted by the Obama administration. And I agree…that debt should be on the University, not the taxpayers!

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

Randomly dismissing debt as a one time event to current debtors is pandering to the current young voter and nothing more.

I worked my butt off to pay my student debt. It’s a good character builder.

Imagine how college tuition would continue to skyrocket if the government uses tax money to wipe away the debt!

This whole thing was political and frankly, stupid.

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

I don't think anyone in this thread has advocated for the government to use tax money to wipe away student loan debt.

Imagine how college tuition would *plummet* if schools were on the hook for all student loan debt discharged in bankruptcy, and imagine how college degrees in basket-weaving would plummet if graduates couldn't use those degrees to get jobs that would enable them to pay off their student loans.

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Craig's avatar

Agree with this..when the govt backed student loans in i believe 2011ish, it ruined the whole thing. Colleges could get more money because the govt backed it. So school A charged more, and school B followed. My business partners company works with parents on how to pay for college, and the biggest problem is the choice of school and major. They never focus on career. Colleges are pay for training for businesses. That’s it. There are great sites that assess a student on what career lifestyles they want. My son came out as airport engineer or civil because he loves hands on stuff. If a trade comes out, like welders (high comp), get the skill and teach them how to create a business around it..parents need to stop sending kids to school because of coolness, sports, I want there, or my friends are going there..

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randall stoehr's avatar

Yet another reminder those who think that signing your full name, on a binding legal contract for a promise to repay, has very acute and serious repercussions.

NO FREE RIDES FOR DUMMIES! The first book you must read after High school graduation

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PE Bird's avatar

Re: "...ruled 6-3 that a creator of wedding websites can legally refuse to design websites for same-sex couples..."

I think it's more accurate to say that creators can refuse to design certain content for anyone. A non-same-sex couple would/should also be refused if they asked for the same content.

It's not about who the buyer is, it's about what the content is.

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Charlotte's avatar

Exactly, are leftists saying an orthodox Jewish baker has to bake anti semitic messages on a cake for a neo-Nazi customer? It beggars belief how the left has zero perspective taking tools unless it’s literally through their narrow one tiny sliver of the prism they look through- tolerant indeed!

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Peter GL's avatar

I like how the leftists and LGBTQalphabetsoup claim they ar not trying to force their ideas on the rest of us, but they will sue if someone says NO to them

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TriTorch's avatar

Here is a group of them marching LGBTQ in New York chanting: "We're Here, We're Queer, & We're Coming For Your Children" https://bitchute.com/video/8ad1akbha4AS

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Jeff C's avatar

Didn't you read the NBC news article on this? It explained for us knuckle-draggers that they've said this for years, it doesn't mean anything, and it's just their little inside joke. The fact that the proles actually take them at their word shows how ignorant and backward we are.

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TriTorch's avatar

Uh wut? NBC article? Is that a joke?

When they make songs whose main chorus line is "We're coming for your children":

https://bitchute.com/video/AVsvFzfQ1W1i

As a father, I take them at their word. And yes, they are coming for the children, here is a mountain of evidence:

https://tritorch.com/predator

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Angus McPherson's avatar

| As a father, I take them at their word.

I think this is the best policy at this point. The largely humorless left only uses the line "it was just a joke" like a 12 year old does to prevent being punched in the face.

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Jeff C's avatar

Of course I take them at their word too, you guys wouldn't know sarcasm if it hit you over the head. "Us knuckle-draggers" and "how ignorant and backward we are" should have been your tip-offs.

NBC News put out an article trying to explain away the chant saying it was "pride culture" and that it was meant to mock claims that homosexuals are a threat to children. NBC News was ripped to shreds on social media for trying to whitewash away their ugly and despicable chant.

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IR's avatar

What an evil and distasteful joke. Also, not funny.

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KGer's avatar

I’ve never seen that video until now, and I’m sorry I did. No moral compass!

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RU's avatar

That prism also includes thinking only of the situations where it works in their favor. The possible scenarios where their own rule is turned against them are endless. And yet they can see only one angle, relevant only for this moment, only in locations where they happen to currently have power. For example, a Muslim customer demanding that a LGBT artist depict a "marriage is between one man and one woman" piece. To refuse would be anti-Muslim discrimination.

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Mark St's avatar

My thoughts are for devout Muslims to request a design from a "TQ+,etc" artist, something depicting gays/queers being treated in the traditional manner in some Muslim dominant countries.

Stoning, hanging, thrown off buildings and other unpleasant endings. "What, are you discriminating against my firmly held religious beliefs? You're an Islamaphobe!" Muslims are a "protected class", after all.

Or, would that same artist be grateful for this Supreme Court decision? 🤔

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RU's avatar

Read an article recently that lefties (in MI, I think) were patting themselves on the back about having elected the first-ever all-Muslim city council (or something like that). Then, the all-Muslim council decided to ban pride flags. LOL. The left doesn't realize that non-leftist people actually believe the things they "identify as." It's not just a virtue-signal to people of faith. It's actual faith. Something the left cannot understand.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

“Enemy of my enemy” until the pendulum swings to Sharia.

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Monterey's avatar

Yes, these short-sighted leftists are poor candidates for holding power over the citizenry.

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PE Bird's avatar

It seems more sinister than zero perspective (although it is certainly that), I think they are deliberate in distorting through language what is straight-forward and obvious.

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devoalan's avatar

Liberalism is a misnomer, and a mental disorder.

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Annie's avatar

I think you're raycist. Lol. 🤣😅😂 yes. Libbies do not make sense. It is all what they want when they want it.

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CarO Lyn's avatar

It’s more that activists and lawyers who look for someone who they can push into a situation they know will cause these conflicts and lawsuits.

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Datagal's avatar

Notice they targeted a Christian baker, not a Muslim baker.

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PE Bird's avatar

Of course, that wasn't the point - the idea was to target this poor baker (in Colorado) and force him to deny their request. Every product on the shelf was available to them for purchase, even a custom cake, but just not with the message that offended him. So... gotcha and cause for lawsuit.

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I live in CO and am familiar with the Jack Phillips story. Once the word was out that Jack refused to decorate the cake for this gay couple, he was targeted by others of the gay persuasion, demanding cakes decorated with all kinds of nefarious themes opposed to his beliefs, attempting to bring his business to ruin. I am so thankful for the integrity of the Justices stepping up to what the Constitution states is true and right. Another reason to be thankful for Donald Trump's Presidency!!!!

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Donna in MO's avatar

True! I was just talking this morning with a friend who holds an elected office. The left constantly is trolling her social media for any and every remark that could possibly be construed as offensive, then bombards her with messages, emails and phone calls trying to get her to say something they can call her out on and or use at re-election time. And we wonder why it is so hard to get good people running for office. My advice: do not engage. These people need to get a life. And the ironic part is these same trolls are all cloaked in this fake virtue signaling that is really just the opposite of what they purport to represent.

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Bgagnon's avatar

Cause there's an agenda to fulfill.

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

Why can’t the seller simply do business with whomever he wants to?

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Hello300's avatar

That concept became illegal with the passage of the Civil Rights Act. SCOTUS has spent the years since pulling back a few rights to people and businesses.

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Doesn't GoDaddy already refuse to make sites that carry medical and science 'misinformation' that happens to be true but politically inconvenient, or 9/11 criticism etc.? And no censored customer sues them and wins. Ironic. If all commercial site creators, not just wedding site designers, really can legally refuse to design a site for anyone whose content offends them now, GD is laughing, right? They're a behemoth already part of narrative control. Got a strong legal precedent to block even more content they don't like while having a near monopoly to provide government-approved morally offensive filth we don't like. I wonder if this judgement really does extend beyond wedding website designers. I would like it to work both ways - the legal right to refuse commercial service that offends personal religion or morality, as well as the protected right to publish existential truths that offend the powers in government and sue those site designers who refuse to carry those truths but profitably promote the lies, but can see that it does not.

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Christine Zuleger's avatar

BINGO !!!!!

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Peter GL's avatar

pretty soon we will have people suing restaurants for their "no shoes, no shirt, no service policies"

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Jon Swenson's avatar

We don't have an at-will market.

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Angus McPherson's avatar

We certainly don't when Colorado has a law like that on the books. Another word for "at will" is "free" One the ways to fix education, banking, big pharma etc is to open up the marketplace.

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Dick's avatar

…and let the $ (no Fed $, please) follow the kids! That’ll cure it quick!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Sometimes it seems like our leaders are so disappointing. Reading about Sarah Huckabee Sanders pushing the Jab in mid 2021...

She was just 40 and in reasonable health. But lined right up and pushed it to others.

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/jul/25/the-reasoning-behind-getting-vaccinated/

She sites: "Recent data demonstrates that those Arkansans who are not vaccinated are at significantly greater risk for serious illness from covid. In fact, 98 percent of covid patients currently hospitalized in our state and 99 percent of recent covid deaths were people who were not vaccinated. It's clear that the Trump vaccine works and is saving lives."

How false are those numbers? We know 'covid patients' could be lying PCR tests and 'covid deaths' could be flu and other causes.

We'll probably never know.

Two years later, she gets cancer. https://www.hollywoodlanews.com/sarah-huckabee-sanders-thyroid-cancer/

Sure enough, we know cancer rates skyrocketed after the Jab. In this study, they found increased cancer rates from 2x to 5x from 2016 cases to 2021 cases.

https://howbad.info/worldatwar1.3.pdf (Note 'malignant neoplasms of thyroid and other endocrine glands' in the table shows a 4x increase.

Will these numbers taper off for 2023? Will Sarah Sanders ever connect her cancer with her Jab?

Or even question if all those 'covid cases' were valid?

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Julie Ann B's avatar

I have a friend who was diagnosed with thyroid cancer in January and died 3-4 weeks ago despite the treatment given at Mayo Clinic. He was a very healthy, active man prior to his turbo cancer. Sadly, his adult daughters had urged him to get vaxxed.

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

Very sorry. If anyone is struggling with these turbo cancers, Dr. Paul Marik has reviewed huge amounts of medical literature and come up with an analysis on cancer. He's the FLCCC doctor who was forced to watch his patients die as he couldn't use the protocol he'd developed. Probably the most published, internationally recognized, intensivist in history, according to Dr. Kory, whose ivm book I am reading. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQjlsemLlxE&list=LL&index=8

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Annie's avatar

I know a lot of people that their adult children were nasty to them regarding them needing to be vaxxed. I know you want to see the grandchildren but at what price? Even if you went along with the ultimatum, how does that make for a happy relationship? Not even factoring in health issues from the vaxx.

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Sharon's avatar

And vice versa. I know many grandparents who forced their grandchildren to take the jab IF they wanted to see them !

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YYR's avatar

My kids will never see their grandfather again because he he shunned us for not jabbing. Even still today. Fine with me. I feel no pressure because of this to vax myself or my kids. His loss.

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Francis Keays's avatar

Me too. I was very sad when a friend was so thrilled when her 5 year old grandson was eligible for the jab and gleefully told me that she could now see him the day after he got it. The thought that it could harm him in any way was something she could not fathom.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Could have been because of the treatment given at the Mayo Clinic. I know too much to be a fan.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

It was mainly palliative care; it progressed so rapidly.

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RU's avatar

The word is getting out there. These things take sooo much longer than I would have thought.

I saw data in late 2019 / early 2020 from Italy and it was all I needed to conclude "it's the flu."

Somehow, we still had to go through all the nonsense, none of which was scientifically justified. "Science" has known since the Spanish Flu that masks do nothing. And lockdowns were never seen by public health professionals as anything other than authoritarian power grabs, until "covid."

Jessica Rose and Joel Smalley have published a ton of data and analysis on Substack. Joel was one of the first I found who confirmed my initial conclusion. Joel's recent "How to create a deadly pandemic in five easy steps" is about as damning as anything I've seen. Five charts, five takeaways. Clearly shows the medical community killed people by forcing harmful interventions and removing effective ones...and then blamed it all on "covid." Denis Rancourt's "There Was No Pandemic" is also a great piece, though longer.

These articles are now both openly stating that "covid" was not a pandemic at all and the deaths attributed to "covid" were caused by government actions, possibly intentionally. That's a massive step forward.

I point these out only to say that what folks like Rose and Smalley have said in the past took years to work their way through the system. The majority of people now agree that masks were harmful and made things worse, lockdowns hurt people, and the "vaccines" are definitely not effective and probably not safe.

As for the Huckster, well, she's an establishment wannabe who will do or say whatever is politically expedient at that particular moment. Maybe we should all write her via her contact form and inform her that her "vaccine" most likely caused her cancer.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Thanks for your comments, and the mentions of those articles like 'there was no pandemic'.

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Harold Saive's avatar

As you probably know, the Covid-19 mRNA vaccines meet Florida's legal definition of a BIOLOGICAL WEAPON - https://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/790.166

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Debbie Beatty's avatar

Huckster and daughter are fake conservatives. They go along with whatever offers them more power.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

"The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted." James Madison

Ergo, the Constitutional checks and limits on power.

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Barney Rubble's avatar

Just recently Dr Dipshit Wallensky in congressional testimony admitted that the CDC actually had NO data to support those claims of any % of any cohort, vaccinated or unvaccinated in hospital or ICU. Or in other words, they clearly have the data but the data does not affirm the lies they were pushing so they claim they didn't actually have the data.

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Monterey's avatar

She seemed quite eager to promote this as the Trump vaccine. As if that was the big reason to push it on everyone.

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TriTorch's avatar

The problem with Affirmative Action is that while it is a noble ideal it is quite divisive. A song from the 90s comes to mind:

Affirmity may be justified - take from one, give to another ● The goal is to be unified - take my hand, be my brother ● The payment silenced the masses sanctified, by oppression ● Unity took a backseat sliding further, into regression

Society blind by color - why hold down one, to raise another ● Discrimination now on both sides - seeds of hate, blossom further ● The world is headed for mutiny - when all we want, is unity ● We may rise and fall - but in the end, we'll meet our fate together

Creed, One https://youtu.be/fzp8Z674J9A

Like many things, Affirmative Action has a good side and a bad one. When you jettison merit on the basis of skin color, bad blood will always result no matter how noble the reason for it. There has to be a better way.

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Jon Swenson's avatar

Affirmative action was never a noble idea.

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TriTorch's avatar

Agree to disagree. I can recognize plenty of good intentions in it, which the road to hell is often paved with.

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Jon Swenson's avatar

How do you end discrimination by discriminating?

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TriTorch's avatar

You don't - read my original comment - which is why it doesn't work.

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Jon Swenson's avatar

It doesn't work because it is a bad idea, not a noble one.

A noble idea is to abolish ALL discrimination.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

For the record, I am NOT an "affirmative action" supporter. However, if there has been damage by discrimination then some corrective action is appropriate. Many people were discriminated against who did not take the jab - they lost their jobs and were not allowed in public accommodations, etc. Stopping those practices is not enough to balance the scales. People need to be compensated and strictures put in place against future attempts at the same policies. In many cases we should fire the firers and don't get me started on what should happen to the purveyors. At the end of slavery those effected were given 40 acres and a mule. Was that just? Hard for me to say, but it was a gesture indicating that simply stopping the practice was insufficient.

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First, it was governments that sanctioned slavery motivated by economics.

Great Britain abolished the slave trade, prodded by religious leaders, and enforced that law.

African tribes captured members of other tribes and sold them to slavers, white and Arab. Who is going after these groups for compensation?

So let's punish (how?) all the governments that profited and still profit from legalized slavery.

Life isn't fair and government force can't make it fair.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Any compensation needs to be commensurate and contemporaneous. There is no one alive who was a legal slave holder and no one alive who was a legally held slave. Any reparations now only punish people who were not responsible and reward people who were not affected.

I certainly do not expect life to be fair (whose standard?), but hopefully injustices can be (incompletely) corrected. Only God is truly just.

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Martha's avatar

Noble? Just a bandaid/quick fix rather than addressing the root cause ~ inner city schools/culture.

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TriTorch's avatar

The thought process was that it would help lift those discriminated against out of the endless cycles of poverty and violence

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Bgagnon's avatar

Once you have created generational welfare

It will take much, much more to lift people out of poverty than affirmative action.

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TriTorch's avatar

Agree 100%

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Trakker's avatar

At whose expense? And how do you determine "discrimination"? If you didn't get the same opportunities as someone whose parents sacrificed for them, are you owed some compensation? Should I be able to take from you because you're better looking, smarter, taller, funnier, etc than I am? All of those characteristics give a person a leg up.

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CaplT's avatar

The idea at the time was for only x period of time, if two equally qualified people applied for a job there was a preference for the minority person.

That turned into for forever you always have to hire the minority even if the person is unqualified.

The time period was to make changes to bring up thee quality of education and then stop affirmative action.

A dismal failure on all sides and on so many levels. Good riddance to affirmative action.

I hope everyone finally learned that we need well trained hard workers, regardless of color. Sometimes the difference is merely someone willing to work hard vs someone who feels entitlement (thinking generational not racial).

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Joe's Garage's avatar

So back in 2003 Tommy Chong was arrested and thrown in jail for selling glass bongs. A 65 year old man served 9 months in jail for selling decorative glass pipes. Now you can swipe your debit card in a vending machine to buy a crack pipe? I think we owe Tommy reparations!

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AJF's avatar

Also the fact that people languish in prison on felony cannibals convictions while fat cats rake in the dough on cannibals sales in many states... justice anyone?

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AJF's avatar

OMG!! CANNIBAS NOT CANNIBALS 😳😂

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Michele's avatar

Thanks for the laugh, tho.... 🤣

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One says to the other., "does this taste funny to you?"

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Bgagnon's avatar

The homeless have debit cards? Is this where the "billions to homeless" newsom keeps barking about are going??? 😳

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Willing Spirit's avatar

EBT has been around for at least 20 years! Where have you been? I want to go there.

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AM's avatar

None other than Joseph Robinette Biden broke ranks with other Dems to make it tougher for student debtors to discharge their loans in bankruptcy. See: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/02/joe-biden-student-loan-debt-2005-act-2020

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Yep. As US Senator from Delaware - where most of the banks are incorporated - Sen. Biden fell in line with his paymaster, MBNA bank.

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AM's avatar

Is this disgusting or what?

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Jonathan Murphy's avatar

What an eye opening link about Biden and student loans! Thanks A M

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AM's avatar

No problem, I hadn't heard this myself but came across it yesterday on Reddit. Interesting that the legacy media has mostly suppressed this 'little' factoid.

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AM's avatar

PS: it's from The Guardian which is hardly a right-wing publication, right?

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

It may be of the left but it seems that we have to go off-shore to access any honest investigative journalism. Sad! Bravery, (true bravery that is, not dressing up as the opposite sex, or whatever the press puts forth as "brave") as we prepare to celebrate our Forefathers' act of rebellion, has nearly disappeared in this country.

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Chelie's avatar

😆

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nik's avatar

I still can’t believe that the demonic HARASSMENT of Jack Philips has been going on for 11 years !!!! (July 19, 2012))

I know there wasn’t a C&C in 2012, but if you did a blessing/thank you multiplier for that family, I would be onboard!!! 🙋‍♀️

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Charlotte's avatar

Weiss is literally a squeeze man for Obama. If Biden doesn’t step aside to let Newsom/Susan Rice to run for the DNC, Obama sends a message to Weiss to 1)leak more info to the press 2)start for public criminal charges and 3)White House press pool can ask actual questions to publicly humiliate the Biden Administration about all of his policy failures and the criminal dealings.

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JohnS's avatar

Took the words right off my keyboard Charlotte.

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Charlotte's avatar

I thought it was pretty amazing that Obama openly and brazenly visited Biden at the white House to talk “policy”- they aren’t even hiding it anymore! Any ex-president caught before trying to influence a current President would be skinned by the press, we heard just loudly chirping crickets.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

Let’s just admit that Obama is running things, it isn’t Ole Joe, he’s just being told what to do. How many times has he said “I better not say or I’ll get in trouble” or something like that.

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Peter GL's avatar

what press? There isn't any free press now, just big megaphones for Soros and the DNC

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devoalan's avatar

He's just Jarrett's mouthpiece. Honestly, Obeyme is no smarter that the goof inthe whitehouse. But Jarrett is. And evil. Cunning. As bad as a female human can get. Pure evil.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Take note of the related links in the article....

CIA Director talks about chemtrails at a Council on Foreign Relations event

https://expose-news.com/2023/07/01/cia-director-talks-about-chemtrails/

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Julie Ann B's avatar

John Brennan is another evil man.

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Annie's avatar

One of the nastiest POS alive.

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Kathy Boston's avatar

In Massachusetts, they’re trying to eliminate the religious exemption for school kids in regards to the vaccine. I don’t understand how this can happen? Moms of vaccine Injured kids are fighting it but it’s scary.

Can a Federal decision override this?

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Lisa's avatar

There was a huge fight over this in New Jersey. In New York no one paid attention, and it quietly went through, no problem. Subsequently in New Jersey parents and others all showed up for days at the capital chanting “we will vote you out”, etc. . Del Bigtree and RFK Jr showed up. It was down to the wire on the last day, dark out, and they were still trying to get the last votes to eliminate the exemption but couldn’t get them with the huge crowd outside. Finally they gave up. The rep pushing to eliminate the exemption was voted out in the next election. I am telling this long story to alert you to the possibility that strong pushback, polite calls, and showing up has worked in the past. Reach out to Children's Health Defense and other organizations for guidance. Fight now.

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AM's avatar

WTG New Jersey!

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Boze's avatar

Super-Squeaky wheels get the oil they need to roll on and fight harder! Bravo to the crowd that chanted! People Power is real.

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Lisa's avatar

I am not really a political person generally speaking but this was by far the most interesting, educational, and inspiring political experience of my life.

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AJF's avatar

Yes I remember following that story... family members in Jersey. People showing up do make a difference 😉

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OnTheJump's avatar

EXCELLENT, Lisa !

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Fight like the third monkey on the ramp to Noah’s Ark!~Sundance

theconservativetreehouse.com

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

They are essentially trying to eliminate religion.

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Kathy Boston's avatar

It’s bizarre because the general population doesn’t see it. I just saw an article where a postal office worker won his case. He refused to work on Sundays due to his religious beliefs.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Just like the during the plandemic the churches were closed but the big box stores remained open.

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Dr Linda's avatar

And liquor stores

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LMWC's avatar

And marijuana dispensaries, cigar stores, strip clubs, and abortion clinics in Michigan.

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WP William's avatar

same in ColonRatO liquor stores were closed down for 5 minutes then legally deemed essentially critical or was it critically essential?

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Charlotte's avatar

I think like good communists, they want to supplant the church with government- you should worship your politicians. Plus, they degrade morals across the board, they want to be the ultimate arbitrators of right from wrong.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Every society has a "civil religion" which becomes the ethical basis for any human or societal action. The Judeo-Christian ethic use to be ours. They have to kill Christianity, which they are rapidly doing, and they are replacing it with Wokism as an ethical belief system. This is how Marxism works.

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Bgagnon's avatar

Believers put God first abs that us why the govt mudt kill God ... so they will take God's place and we will turn to them for everything. Total control of the masses.

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CStone's avatar

It’s everywhere in the book of Judges.

“..........when everyone did what was right in their own eyes.......”

Except now, they don’t want good people, especially Christians and Jews doing what is right in their own eyes.

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WP William's avatar

yes, be religious and moral on our OWN time and out of sight; After all; Jesus loved everyone and welcomed all broken and depraved persons to continue on in their Party-Hearty living and cheating and selfishness and also to demand their rights and gain social power over all the mean Jewish scribes and authorities in name of equity and inclusion. Commie Jesus they'd have us believe.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

You nailed it!

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

Neil McCoy Ward's financial walk and talk on youtube yesterday discussed how Harari, the WEF transhumanist, wants to rewrite the Bible with Ai to make it more, you guessed it, equitable, inclusive, and diverse.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Harari is Satan.

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Annie's avatar

He is a satanic minion.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Perhaps 𝒐𝒇 Satan vs. is?

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Politico Phil's avatar

A Satanic, trans-humanist Jew, what an oxymoron.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

It shouldn’t matter what the reason, every American should have the right to choose or refuse any medical treatment including vaccines. And there needs to be informed consent! Why has that been kicked to the curb?

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AJF's avatar

Well said

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FedUpInOR's avatar

Once you step outside of the general belief it beggars the mind to realize ‘vaccines are so good we mandate them.’ It’s insane and now that I see it, it can’t be unseen.

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Susan Stephens's avatar

Ditto; in my world anything “mandated” tells me it can’t stand on its own merits.

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KGer's avatar

Exactly, if your vaccine is that wonderful it should stand on its own merits. That goes for any product not just pharmaceutical products or medical devices. I still laugh every time I think of the lottery to win a TV if you would take the jab. Apparently they thought here in Mass were nothing more than a bunch of bugwits!

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RU's avatar

I have had a lot of "now that I see it, it can't be unseen" moments over the last few years, spanning a wide range of areas I never really paid much attention to or just took for granted. The left wants a world where "politics is everything, everything is political." They should probably be more careful about what they wish for.

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Fla Mom's avatar

The only way they can do this is because parents have put all their kids into the government school, so the government can set requirements like these in order to attend, and it's a huge pool of 'targets.' Trying to change a particular law as it applies to government schools, trying to win particular School Board seats, they're okay as temporary measures, but you can never ultimately win like that - the premise still is that they're government schools. Everyone who possibly can should take their kids out of government schools, and people should be fighting tooth and nail for school choice state laws, so that people who can't otherwise afford it can also pull their children from government schools and seek alternatives where the government has no say.

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AM's avatar

There is a movement to do this in as many states as possible. See California and New York. California parents massively protested yet got nowhere with the removal of philosophical exemptions. The pharma masters understand the battle is within the state legislatures.

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LMWC's avatar

Same here in Michigan. In the 2022 election our state legislature has been taken over in majority by Democrats for the first time in 40 years, by the slimmest of majorities, but they can’t put out foul legislative bills fast enough.

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AM's avatar

Scary. What the heck has happened to Michigan.

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Alison Smith's avatar

It’s called election fraud. That’s how Whitmer stays in office.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Must of been the water in Flint.

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IR's avatar

I think the pharma masters are losing the game. Although it’s true that some states eliminated philosophical and religious exemptions, Mississippi just secured religious exemption that they didn’t have for decades. The lawsuit argued that there is a secular medical exemption available but not a religious one which violates the First Amendment. Some people living in Mississippi had to move across the border to a nearby state to attend school while otherwise continuing to live their lives in Mississippi.

This ruling created a precedent and it’s only a matter of time until the exemptions get restored in other states.

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AM's avatar

The Mississippi development heartened me a ton. And it's possible that US postal worker case Jeff posted a couple days ago (?) could strengthen religious exemptions on vaccines too(??). But I think if you live in a blue or deep blue state you're basically screwed on this issue, unfortunately. But at least, thanks to federalism, you can move. This is why I'm opposed to nationalizing this whole topic.

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lynn's avatar

In Massachusetts are they after federal dollars or money from medical companies? What is the motivation for them to push so hard to jab kids?

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Alice in Wonderland's avatar

Turbo totalitarianism.

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lynn's avatar

I saw it as they can't loose power because of their crimes, corruption installment. I see your point also. Voting machines are making it easier for crooks to win elections. Georgia is one of the worst states.

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WP William's avatar

ColoredRedO Republick'ns instituted the all mail-in (All Male would have been better) balloting, helped with open primary voting, and love working with Dems on common issues; we are now quickly on the path to a 20% status party that is castrated, neutered and well-trained to serve its master. Tolerance and acceptance of the corrupt and progressive will cage you and limit you to being a prop and complicit in the continued slide into local and state Marxism. Oh yes and 62 out of 64 counties using the DOMINATION machines is perfectly fine with our Reprobate Party too.

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Jonathan Murphy's avatar

Jabs schedule may promote medical business and revenue as well as promoting compliance while at the same time reducing opposition potency.

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Bgagnon's avatar

Best commrnt today!

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Annie's avatar

I think the latest Supreme Court ruling regarding religious freedom will end these laws trying to remove the religious exemption.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

I pray you're right, Annie.

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Charlotte's avatar

CT was already successful in this (it’s winding its ways through courts now) and it most mysteriously was passed right at the very very beginning of Covid- just a coincidence, I’m certain!

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Lisa's avatar

This stuff is common. For anyone who has the interest, a great book is Evidence of Harm by former NY Times writer David Kirby. This was published about 2015 about mercury in vaccines. It reads like a suspense novel. At night, someone, no one knows who, inserted a rider into a completely unrelated bill exempting Eli Lilly from liability. The bill passed with almost no one knowing it happened. Parents of very sick kids did not receive financial help for their medical expenses.

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CStone's avatar

Wow

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Lisa's avatar

My advice to all: make noise, call, get religious organizations involved, seek press coverage.

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Michelle's avatar

WA state is trying to get rid of religious exemptions as well.

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AngelaK's avatar

They have already done it in Ct.

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Kathy Boston's avatar

So scary. I’m wondering if Kennedy or Trump get into office if they can change that on a federal level?

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Or someone fight it all the way to SCOTUS.

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Chelie's avatar

Here’s an idea for Biden since he’s so kind and wants to payoff all those student loans for those worthless college degrees that were used to indoctrinate... he could just take the millions he acquired from being bought out by China & other pay to play schemes & pay off their student loans himself. Why not Joe?

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Pedo Joe doesn't even acknowledge he has a new granddaughter.

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Chelie's avatar

I feel so sorry for that little girl. It’s a blessing in disguise that she won’t be taking the sperm donors last name. I hope she has a good life. It’s bound to be better than if she was saddled with the Biden name. Ugh!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

She is a beautiful little girl.

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Satchmo RIP's avatar

Thanks for including one feel good story of the SuperVolcano.

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

First comment!!!

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

That's all. I just happened to check my Jeffy email just as this Substack posted.

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CaplT's avatar

😆

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Karen Bandy's avatar

That’s pretty good, Florida Based Man must be slacking 🤣😉😆

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

There really should be a tiara gained when one reaches this landmark.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

And yet you’re way down here! How does that happen?

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

I think it depends on how they're arranged, either chronological or "top" first or whatever. And even then, it's reverse-chronological. AFAIK.

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ChrisB's avatar

Thank you, Jeff, for the out-loud laughs this morning whilst sitting on my porch reading the stack. My neighbor finally called over and said, Okay, you have to tell me what you're reading! New fans everywhere!

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Barbara's avatar

You are definitely spreading "optimism and hope" as you state, I so appreciate that! Wanted to share something that might be causing the rise in cancer, even fast growing cancer besides just the v@x shots. Many people have started taking diabetes injections to accomplish weight loss - 0zemp1c, Weg0vy and M0unjar0. Unfortunately, two of my clients are taking them, one family member and one friend. None of these people have diabetes. If you've read any of the side effects, cancer developed in mice during the research phase of these drugs. A healthy friend of mine who quit her job to avoid the v@x and went to work somewhere else that didn't require it, decided she wanted to lose a few pounds before going on a cruise. I know, I know, it makes no sense. She didn't take the v@x injection but thought it ok to take a diabetes injection :( But anyway, after taking the M0unjar0 injections for 3 months, she developed glioma brain cancer, rapidly growing cancer. It grew from 4 cm to 6.3 cm within 3 weeks of diagnosis. The doctors said it just happens sometimes and there's no link to the injections at all :/ My friend did stop the injections after the diagnosis, of course. Perhaps the rising use of these "diabetes/weight loss" injections is causing some of the "turbo cancers"...

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RunningLogic's avatar

Oh wow! Interesting thought! So many substances that people are taking into their bodies without a thought as to potential adverse effects!

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Susan Catherine's avatar

I also keep an open mind that 5G could be involved in turbo cancers as well.

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LMWC's avatar

I think you missed a gold nugget, Jeff. Biden mumbling, “this is not a normal court”. Who added the new, maybe female justice, who can’t define what a woman is? Clown show indeed.

Michigan just passed a bill through it’s state house making gender identity intimidation a felony and a fine of up to $10k. It is so loosely defined that using the wrong pronouns against someone could wind you in court. I hope the SCOTUS decision will have bearing on this.

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Charlotte's avatar

I think that’s a typical leftist ploy- they shove through an obviously unconstitutional piece of legislation (see Dream act, closing the garden department of stores during covid, etc) and then let it simmer until it works it way through the courts. I truly hate that process and the conservatives always let it happen and then “campaign for funds” on the back of it but never aggressively get it struck down immediately.

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JohnS's avatar

That’s the huge glaring weakness in our Constitution: No consequences for violating it. Cop kicks down your door without a warrant? You get arrested, put on trial, maybe convicted, eventually out on appeal. And the cop? Just keeps kicking down doors. Gov closes your church? You sue, maybe get a stay, maybe not. Eventually closure is ruled to be unconstitutional. Consequences to the Gov? Nada. We need penalties for violations of what is supposed to be the highest law of the land.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

And when a DA overcharges you or harrasses you, there's NOTHING that happens to rein them in. Nothing. It's all on the criminal defendants - and no risk whatsoever to the State.

I know this will be controversial, but that's why innocent people are convicted of crimes every day in this country. They are bullied into plea deals because they cannot afford the 10's of thousands of dollars a real criminal defense would cost them.

It's completely one-sided: the crooked DA's have zero risk and the individual defendants are facing incarceration.

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SA's avatar

The punishment is the process. The deep pockets know they won’t win in court, but try to bury people in legal fees to defend themselves. St Luke’s Boise Idaho and Holland and Hart law firm know this strategy all too well.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Nearly all so-called convictions are the result of plea bargain, not a trial by your peers.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Man, you NAILED this.

Our beautiful freedom-machine is nearly toothless.

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JohnS's avatar

A toothless tiger indeed Fred. And for anyone who doubts it, just look at Prohibition. It's the exception that proves the rule. After the amendment passed, Congress had to pass the Volstead Act to actually criminalize violations. To my knowledge, no similar laws exist for penalizing any other violations of the Constitution.

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Peter GL's avatar

when the President and his whole party violates the constitution why would they pass laws to criminalize it? Their actions are against their oath of office, but "who cares? we are in now, so we do whatever we want".

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Politico Phil's avatar

If they did penalize Constitutional violations, nearly all Congressmen would go to prison.

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Charlotte's avatar

So true, they need to hit them with damages- it has to be attached to individuals and privately, because paying with government coffers is no skin off their back either, they use our money like monopoly money already.

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LMWC's avatar

Precisely. During the covid lockdowns most churches weren’t threatened to close down, they were coerced to close down at the top levels with monetary incentives and scare tactics. I know this is how it worked for most traditional churches, the top hierarchies made the decisions and got boatloads of money for doing it. Now the government has one more foot in the door of ownership of the Church.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

The problem is the crooked cops and government are legally immune from paying damages.

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Charlotte's avatar

That might be how we try to find a work around- say truly egregious violations that resulted in physical or monetary harm in excess of x and maybe define what constitutes egregious and then get it pushed through- then we can do what the leftists do, sit back and let the courts decide if it was well written or not, in 4-7 years time...

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Katrina the Hurricane's avatar

And also missed John Roberts reprimanding the Three Justooges who were disparaging the other six for striking down affirmative action.

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