Long-overdue multiplier incoming: DOJ’s Epstein video blows up again; Trump’s tariffs spook holdouts; Zelensky’s bill gets outsourced; MTG drops a killer tax cut; and TACO may be off the menu.
I am a mortgage lender, and have been for over 30-years. I have an aging client base who, after doing the math related to Capital Gains, many have chosen to stay in their homes and wait until after they pass, allow the home to be inherited by their kids, then let the kids sell it.
These seniors are sitting in homes that are too large for them and too expensive to keep, but they also can't afford to sell, especially after one spouse dies and the tax exemption drops in half.
I'm totally in favor of the law change. Let's each contact our state representatives and encourage them to pass this act.
⬆️ this is exactly where I am. My dad passed away last September. My mom needs a simpler life and we have decided to move her into a senior living and sell the house. We’re terrified of losing money, but we have put a lot of money updating this house and that can be deducted right? Now I’m thinking we need to wait? Oh my gosh like I need more stress. 😭😭😭
IRS, making sure they get their cut, and more, even making it easy to calculate how much they will take.
Not critical of Cheryl's comment, or of Susan trying her best to do what is right for her Mom and family. Just critical of government searching for every penny they can while good Americans try to be obedient to law and order.
After two years from closing there’s a $500K deduction per couple or a $250K single deduction from the difference between the two sales. You also can deduct real estate commissions and upgrades provided you have receipts from that number.
You need a good CPA. They know all this stuff AND they deal with the IRS so you don't have to. The IRS doesn't normally mess with something submitted by a CPA. They are worth the price
It really bugs me that in order not to get screwed on our taxes, we have to pay for someone to help. I’ve got nothing against CPAs and their expertise. But the fact of the matter is, we HAVE to pay taxes and yet if we want to make sure we are paying the smallest amount possible and not getting into trouble (even though I know it’s possible with a CPA but probably less likely), we need to pay for outside help. The principle of the thing just galls me to no end.
One of my favorite bills to pay is to my tax accountant every year! I drop off a pile of documents and receipts, etc., and voila, I have my taxes done! He is totally worth it. That said, I’m still for a flat tax and being done with it.
Every year from January through March I wait and ponder, did I receive everything from my broker? then, go through the folder and my checklist, ask the wifey if she accumulated all the charity proof info? make appt with the CPA, drop it off, pay the big bills to Minn & IRS, and darkly consider how much I hate this process every damn year.
But yes, glad I don't have to make the calculations and consider all the details. Heck though, after putting it ALL together I was not that far away from doing the job myself.
I think I need a new accountant. It costs me extra fees if I drop everything off in a pile for them to sort out for me. I have to deliver it organized and it’s tedious beyond words. As it is I pay $1,000/year and we can’t afford that anymore. But the guy I was paying $275/year to left me unprotected when the IRS broke their own laws about medical deductions and special education expenses. The law was on our side but only if we could afford a tax attorney to defend us. I thought I had to pay in the $1,000/year range for a different accountant to be assured we’d have proper defense if and when that nonsense ever happens again. We haven’t filed our taxes in five years now because we can’t afford to pay the accountant and I don’t want to make any mistakes on our own. I hate this whole thing.
I agree, RL, but years ago I read that the IRS is less likely to audit a return prepared by a CPA. (And I didn't read that in a CPA trade publication.) We had the same CPA for 34 years of our 36 years in practice--the last 2 years he had retired and his employee took the reins.) He did our personal and corporate taxes and we never heard a peep from the IRS, except one time when we overpaid on a 941 and they sent a polite note informing us that was a finable offense, so be careful.
Our CPA was aggressive, and knew the tax laws--updated to the day. We saved hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years--all by the code, and completely legal. I might go so far to say his advice helped fund our retirement which we are very much now enjoying.
That’s exactly my point. Why should we have to pay someone to do our taxes to protect ourselves and to owe the least amount of money legally possible? It’s a racket. If it’s a legal obligation to pay taxes then the process needs to be made simple enough that anyone can do it and not be disadvantaged.
I completely agree. Sadly, there is too much middleman money involved. I believe that there must be come compensation for the agents who bring in funds. I live by an honor code, but what I know for sure is that corruption is so ingrained now that the average person just shrugs when they hear of something new. Graft and corruption is expected and finding that someone is honorable is the exception. I know what it will take to, maybe, sort it out. That's not a good thing either- and might not work. There is no good end to this.
C. What the Democrat, Progressive, Leftists don't understand is, it's the fact that the corruption (and grift) is so ingrained now that the average person just shrugs when they hear something new, this fact is the momentum behind DOGE and the removal of whole departments (like the Dept of Education). We, the Conservative Right Republicans (and others) have been abused and ignored for so long that now that we have people like Musk and President Trump advocating for us, we are screaming HELL YES! BURN IT DOWN!
I agree. I hear that nonsense about entire countries would collapse. What? Because a bunch of perverts were thinking with the little head? Sorry to be so blunt, but I don't care to protect anyone who is dishonorable. The world would keep spinning. Time to start shunning evil and removing them from power. Make the fines/sanctions suitable. Eliminate the cancers.
People like to have their bad behavior hidden. Bring it to light, and let the chips fall where they may. If it gets ugly for a while, well, so be it. What is being done to innocent young women, girls and boys is ugly as well, and must be stopped.
Agreed. I had to pay 2K at end of year and my CPA charged $750 for a simple tax filing. Piss me off to no end. That is in addition to having to pay $4k quarterly for taxes sent directly to IRS. I should consider becoming a bum.
If only that were true, my husband and I would have $150,000 more in our savings. We got raped by the IRS and our CPA couldn't get them to see otherwise.
The IRS has way too much power. And the tax laws are far too complex and convoluted. IRS agents will often give different answers to the same question, so if THEY don’t even know, how can the rest of us be expected to?? 😡
The IRS has always been "illegal", and one thing Trump is doing is replacing the IRS with the ERS, External Revenue Service. It's his backdoor way of abolishing "income taxes", but it takes longer. We already have a start with the no tax on tips, overtime, and social security. And property taxes are the most egregious of all.
Income tax as written is a tax on our life, our time, through our job wages. It makes us slaves to the government. Of course we need to pay in to have services, but it should be on unearned income, not the sweat of our brow. If more people were free of wage tax, they could HAVE unearned income.
If it weren’t for our property taxes, we would have already paid off our home and be in a much stronger financial position heading into retirement and had enjoyed more of our net take home pay to save. Instead, we sit here at age 60 still owing 1/3 of our home’s value because over the past 20 years we paid almost $250,000 just in real estate taxes alone. They took what could have been our freedom. How can that be ok?? It’s not like our city has a rich and elaborate downtown or any kind of extra services or bells and whistles. It mostly goes to a wretched school district that hurt our kids.
My husband has his CPA license, and once during an audit the agent wanted to refuse one of his deductions citing page so and so, paragraph this or that, to which my husband replied, “But look at page ___, paragraph ___.” Both sections of the tax code referred to the same situation but gave different answers. It had to go higher in the chain, but my husband eventually won. Pretty sure the agent was shocked my hubs had read the tax code.
My hubby called the IRS with a tax question... got an "answer." Copied the convo. Called every day for five days and got 5 different answers! Talked to three tax attorneys, same same. So, he decided to use the one answer that was the least "offensive." That was 25 years ago. I am convinced any of those answers would have worked, we would have simply paid more...
I am a tax accountant. And yes the exemption is $250,000 for a single person and $500,000 for a married couple. To calculate the gain you would take the amount paid for it (base price) and add to that base the cost of any improvements that have been made while owning the home. Here’s an example:
Purchase price: $100,000
Improvements made $50,000
Base price: $150,000
Sale price $400,000
Gain: $250,000
Exemption $250,000 or $500,000
The capital gain falls under the exemption so it is not taxable.
In all my years as a tax accountant, I have never had a client who had to pay capital gains on the sale of their personal residence. Improvements can be just about anything. New shrubbery, paint, new kitchen, flooring, an addition, etc. It’s easy to come up with enough items through the years to skirt the capital gains tax. There is a place on the tax return where you can report the sale and all the improvements but in practice we never once reported the sale. We just documented in their file the information in case they were ever audited. Hope this helps.
Thank you, this has helped me back away from the cliff!! Fortunately their house hadn't been updated since it was built in 1984 .. so they have put a lot of money into it. Also I am reading you have 2 years to deduct a deceased owner so they may qualify for two even though my Dad passed away last fall.
Thank you for clarifying this because I think most people don't know how capital gains, regarding homestead sales, works. It's also very important people understand how important it is to keep home improvement records because almost all costs are deductible.
I'm all on board for no tax on capital gains but I think the people who will benefit the most from such a bill are not in the middle class category. Grandma may have paid $30k for her house 50 yrs ago but one of two things most likely happened. One, she kept the house updated over the years for which she has records and her NET gain ends up being <$250k, OR her house is a time capsule and needs $100k+ in updates. To complicate it further, if the time capsule house is located in an area that won't support that kind of total investment, it won't sell. I see this a lot as someone currently in the market as a potential buyer. And, property taxes are now a huge factor as well. If anyone wants to be enraged about gains taxes, it should be about property taxes.
Agree, and I would say the bigger more pressing issue for every American, no matter which state they are living in (unless their state does not have a property tax), is the RICO scam governments unconstitutionally use to PERPETUALLY tax the private property where you live, eat, sleep but do no business.
We bought our home in 1990, and have numerous files of all the improvements made over the years. In the midwest, home values are not as insane as on the coasts, despite rapid appreciation in the last 5 years. If I were to pull all those files, add up what we have spent, I am not sure we would even have a profit at all.
However, the vast majority of these files are on paper - guess I should scan and save to the cloud in case of a disaster that destroys all this paper....
We’re in central New York, and the same is true for us. We do keep most receipts and if we added them up would probably be shocked to see how much we’ve spent over the years—significantly more than our house is worth.
So do you have to have receipts for your home improvements? Having lived in a house for decades, plenty of improvements have been made including paint, flooring, landscaping, fixtures, lighting, etc. But to prove it with actual receipts, that is another matter.
Yup, the documentation of expenses presents a problem. I physically built our house 30 years ago and do not have record of materials. On top of that how do you show your time for labor if there was never a bill? GO MTG!
And those receipts fade away over time if they are the register produced receipts. If you are serious about keeping records they need to be scanned or photographed to survive.
Thanks for the detailed explanation - I wondered why my hubby and I never paid capital gains on the "gains" we had from the sale of our various homes during our lifetimes.
Beth, we have done many improvements over the 42 years we have owned our house, including 2 new decks, 2 kitchen remodels, roof, landscaping, new driveway, but do we need receipts for everything?
That's what I'm wondering! Keep every receipt for 40 or more years? Who does that? That's a pretty big file cabinet. Another way the government can steal your money.
We recently sold our Florida home for $475,ooo, so no taxes due and we didn't have to mess with home improvement paperwork. But our accountant still charged us $150 to file a form. Kinda ticked me off.
But wouldn’t that require that you still have all the receipts from the improvements from the past 10, 20, 30 years? Most my receipts from back then are now faded and life was too hectic during most of it to have thought of scanning anything into my computer. Not to mention I’ve gone through several computers and hard drives since. Ive lost files during all that. Even today I rarely have time to scan things in and only half my purchases have a digital email receipt - which is also tedious to find and sort out if my emails later. Organizing all my receipts over the years just for proving our medical expenses was so time consuming an army of ten men would still need a few months to properly organize and document it all. And when I did a really good job with it, the IRS didn’t like how I chose to do it and took ALL our deductions away (even our mortgage interest and RE taxes,) unless I came back with the medical organized to the agent’s liking. She obviously never had 28 doctor appointments a month for several years for three children with disabilities. Her way was impossible with how the clinic statements and payment receipts and payment accounts don’t ever line up. I had no more patience or time to do more and they had everything they needed if they were so sure we cheated. I gave them ALL our bank accounts and statements and all our medical receipts. It was all there if they were so certain it was wrong. But they didn’t want to take the time to prove their b.s. (we actually under estimated the deductions.) We ended up paying over $7,000 to a tax attorney to get them off our backs and still lost a few thousand dollars when I gave up because I could not organize receipts as a full time job, and so had to walk away from the last fight.
I can’t imagine the tedious requirements to prove our home improvements over the past two decades.
I am a realtor. Cost of sale is also a write off, and there should be a stepped up basis on the home at time of death of spouse. It’s still a great idea from MTG. The real estate market would start moving and the , flooring, drapes, landscape, moving companies, furniture companies would all benefit. There is huge tickle down when real estate is on the move. Capital gains and interest rates are clogging the system.
Thank you for clarifying this. I was reading the comments and being frustrated a bit that people don’t understand this. We’ve bought and sold 2 houses and never paid capital gains tax. While I am all for abolishing the taxes this move by MTG isn’t going to effect the average Joe.
This is exactly why we sold my mom’s house in the year my dad died. To get the 500k. She is living happily in her “luxury all-inclusive independent living resort”
Okay, but her taxes will get paid out of her proceeds and hopefully she'll have enough left over to put a really nice down payment on something else. I know in certain markets the United States this is very difficult. Good luck with everything!
No tax advice here - just sending hugs. My parents sold their home in 2004 and dad became a caretaker of a property that included a small home that they lived in in exchange for his services for free. When he passed in 2014, mom moved to an apartment. She fought moving to assisted living tooth and nail in 2023 when a leg issue rendered her unable to live on her own. I stayed with her and hired (unreliable) home care for 6 months as she needed 'more time' to recover. Brought in my sisters from out of town and we presented a united front that it was 'time's up'. Best thing that ever happened to her - she has made new friends (vs being basically a shut in), is happier, is eating better and has an electric wheelchair she uses when leaving her apartment, has a walker to move around short distances. She is 5 min from my front door vs 30 minutes before, and has a call button on her wrist that can summon help in minutes - the place is not cheap, but the people really seem to care, and has given me so much peace of mind. But it was an overwhelming process in the beginning and still have a lot of tubs of stuff in both my garage and in her closet that she says she will 'go through one of these days'. Just here to say it does get better.
My then 94 year old mom who lived 2 hours away uttered the words (at the end of Covid lockdowns and a couple of bad back episodes that ran up her BP and blood sugars resulting in ER runs and hospitalizations) “I guess I’m just scared and lonely.”—two words I had never heard come from her mouth and never want to hear again. 2 1/2 weeks later I had her on a walkthrough of a retirement center (7 minutes from my back door) that resulted in her signing the contract on the spot. I had told her we wouldn’t sell her house, and if she wasn’t happy after a month she could move back. A month later she told me to sell the house. 2 years later she has a busier schedule than I do! She tells me she wakes up every morning feeling great. Yes, it’s expensive, but when she added up taxes, insurance, yard workers, maintenance and repairs, food, etc. (her house was paid for), it costs no more to be in the retirement center and she doesn’t have the headache of having strangers in her home and being alone. Plus at 96 she’s a fun, active, vibrant super senior that everyone wants to “grow up to be like.” And she hasn’t been to the ER or hospital!
True, socialization is a huge plus! She put me in charge of finances after dad died and I was paying her bills before and now only checks I have to write are rent, cell phone and her newspaper subscription. She does eat in her room occasionally so I buy her a few groceries, paper products, etc and I total receipts and we settle up every couple of months. And not paying for home care aides which actually made staying in her regular apartment more expensive than her AL place Mom is an introvert, she does not take advantage of very many of the activities but she has her dining room buddies and goes to the church service and an occasional Friday happy hour.
I had the exact opposite experience with relatives. I can't tell you the documented horrors including pictures I still have and that I witnessed in these places. These were not nursing homes either but assisted living.
Yes, you have to vet carefully - she was in a NH for rehab on the leg issue in late 2022 and it was horrible. Came home in no better shape than she went in and pretty sure they were drugging her. But her current place is good - I am there 2-3 times a week - I do her shopping and laundry and come for lunch or Sunday brunch on occasion. Know all the staff on a first name basis (no temps) and a friend was a lead nurse there until she got promoted to director at another one of their locations - she started working there as there was no shot mandate for either the staff or the residents. And mom, who was always very passive and let dad take care of everything now goes to the monthly 'resident town halls' they host and brings up any complaints herself. (instead of complaining to me) and they do make some of the changes, although some are due to regulatory issues, like letting her have a toaster was a 'no' due to fire codes.
The secret to getting good care for your parents is what you are doing, visiting 2-3 times per week. Go on different days and times if you can. My mother worked at a nursing home and said this is the thing to do.
It gives my heart great joy to know your mom is in an exceeded expectations facility. It is vitally important as she is the person you have known the longest in your whole life and who has been a blessing to you since you were born. Give her a hug from me next time you visit her please as it would mean so much to me.
Even with vetting, in our family and friends' cases, it still was not enough. Family would go at odd hours when they were not expected and would see people that did look like they were drugged up sitting in wheelchairs, staff yelling at a resident , offering old food and even one time found a resident on the floor after falling from her wheelchair. She said she was there for 40 minutes bc no one came and she was yelling for someone (this was a smaller assisted living) and she did not have a medi alert. We have all heard these stories.
Our parents and grandparents are precious and not to be treated like refuse by anyone. Again, I am so happy your Mom is doing well Donna. God bless her.
Wow that's horrible, sounds like the rehab place she was in back in 2022. My mom's place has a goal of responding to any call within 5 minutes and for the most part they are pretty good at sticking to that, although they may be in the middle of changing her sheets or some other task and have to run to another call, and she sometimes has to buzz them to come back and finish the job when they forget. She could not live with us - she can't do stairs and we live in a split level home with stairs everywhere. Most of her old friends had died or moved closer to kids/another AL facility so at least there she has made new friends and has a social life. And the food is actually really good, and she is very picky. But I will pass on the hug from you!!
She sat in her room and sulked for about the first 6 weeks and was determined to hate it. But staff eventually coaxed her into coming to the dining room for meals and a few of the activities and once she started making friends it got better. She's never admitted it to me or my sisters as we 'forced her out' but family who visit note how much more self sufficient and positive she is vs before when complaining was 90% of the conversation.
My mom is 86 - most of them are in their 80's, with a few in the 90's and a few in the 70's. My grandma had that same complaint - it's all old people here - when a stroke in her late 70's left her unable to drive and needing help with dressing and such. This was before home health was common and she lived in a very small town, so had to go to 'a home'.
I’ve heard the same from several people. The adjustment is hard but they should be enjoying life! Ohh the complaining 🤦🏼♀️ I hope my Mom’s lessens too 😅
Haha! well, have had lunch with her and some of her friends and they complain to EACH OTHER! She can give me the rundown on her lunch bunch's aches, pains, that one nurse that gives Jane a hard time and what family squabbles Mary is having this week. Oh and the onion rings were cold on Tuesday....and I heard that new woman that moved into #102 gets liquor snuck into her room! At the very least, helps take their minds off their own issues and can say...well at least I don't have that....
She does have a legit beef that some of the residents do have one foot in the dementia wing, and it IS hard to have conversations with them.
Typically when one owner, usually a spouse, dies the property gets a “stepped up basis” allowing the property’s value to step up to the current market value. Then if the property is sold very little if any cap gain. Check it out.
Your mom can add $250,000 to her purchased price , but then you can add the remodel costs ( mostly) - after that the difference in price from selling has a capital gains taxes
You can take out a 2nd mortgage then rent the home to cover both payments or do 1031 exchange for a smaller single family home deferring the capital gains tax. There is a new loan option that allows people to withdraw equity from a home without making payments on that money as well. Talk to a real estate attorney who can advise you on the specifics of your situation. Just know that it’s very unlikely that you can simply sell the house and use the proceeds to fund your Moms next phase of life, It’s likely going to be more complicated then that, but doable with the right council.
It shouldn’t have to be so complicated 😕 It’s already so hard to be in this situation with an elderly parent and this just adds to it. Typical government 😡
There is a company called 'True Hold' that advertises like crazy on the talk radio stations here. Basically, they buy your home, give you the money, and then you rent from them. ("as long as you like!" "we take care of the maintenance, taxes and upkeep" and "you don't have to move") Seems very scammy to me taking advantage of strapped seniors and one more home out of the 'available to purchase' pool as we will "own nothing and be happy". Locally, property taxes have gone through the roof - which is why our county had 26K residential properties with delinquent taxes as of Feb. Vultures are circling.
Your mom gets a "step up in basis" to FMV on the date of death of your dad. Depends on the state the house is in. If the house is in a community law state then it is a full step up in basis...meaning the gain is selling price minus the FMV of the house in September. Your mom gets a capital gain exclusion of $250,000. (I am assuming your parents lived there for several years.). As long as the gain is less than $250,000 there is no tax. The other states she still gets half of the step up (your dad's half). So ..Basis in the house calculation.....take the original purchase price + renovations prior to your dad's death, and allocate half to your mom. All renovations after your dad's death is also added to the basis. Then add half of the FMV of the house on the date of your dad's death (use similar houses in the area that sold in September to estimate FMV). Now you have the basis. Selling price minus basis = gain. Your mom has $250,000 exemption on the gain.
I think I was somehow adding in the fact they don’t owe on their house and that was going to be the issue. 😅 this info makes it look much better. Thank you!!
This proposed bill would benefit me tremendously as we are truly blessed to have lived in prime So Cal coastal real estate for twenty-five years. Our capital gains are huge. We've also refrained from borrowing against it so our equity is huge too. But Jeff Childers' description is over simplified and omits important context.
First off, there's a $500k exemption for married couples right off the bat. So none of that capital gains tax applies unless it's higher than that. Second, it's a tax on capital gains, not on equity. That's the difference between what you paid, plus improvements that you can prove, versus the selling proceeds. So it doesn't kick in unless people own a pretty expensive home to begin with, and have lived there long enough for it to have appreciated at least $500k.
The only way people end up owing more taxes than their equity is if they live recklessly and repeatedly borrow against their home. No one should be doing this in the first place as it's financially irresponsible and destructive. Listen to Dave Ramsey's callers and you'll see where this type of behavior leads people. So removing this tax incentivizes more really awful behavior.
I despise taxes as much as anyone else, but simply giving relatively wealthy people a windfall like this with no strings is bad policy. If you have enough capital gains to worry about this then it's de-facto evidence you are doing pretty well. If we are going to change tax law to give people (like me!!) more money, then it should be done in a way that helps future generations. Giving retirees more money to blow on Mediterranean cruises, fall for romance scams, or squirrel away like misers for twenty years helps no one.
I don't know the answer but I like the idea that the exemption is indexed for home price inflation. Also, if a spouse passes away, the surviving spouse should retain the full exemption. Next, these taxes go away provided some portion of the savings goes to either 1) helping ones children buy a home or 2) funding a child or grandchild's education. Then it's not just a giveaway to people who probably have plenty already, but an incentive for them to be generous when people can use it.
I can’t even begin to explain how annoying your post is to me. ‘Simply giving wealthy people a windfall…’ ‘if you have enough to worry about capital Gains you are doing pretty well…’. So? I earned it. I paid taxes all along on all the monies I used to pay off my mortgages. You think ‘he has too much. We should be able to take it from him.’
You don’t know my situation. I might need extra care as I age as I am a VImp (visually impaired). I might have a handicapped son who will need looking after for the next forty years. But take my hard earned money. 50-60 hour weeks for a couple of decades. Huge risk taking. Because it worked, I don’t deserve it, right?
Yea and the cruise comment? I earned my money, I’ve paid all my taxes, I’ve lived reasonably modestly, in my retirement, if I want to take a dang cruise, that’s my right. Freedom says I can spend my money as I see fit.
I admire the chutzpah it takes to adhere to a political philosophy that turns greed, selfishness, and hedonism into virtues. It turns 2000 years of Christian morality upside down. That's some heavy duty rationalization.
Here's the thing William, you wouldn't give two hoots about what I said unless it struck a guilty cord within you. It's called cognitive dissonance, you might want to look into it.
I have to say that I live on a modest retirement and your comment offended me...it sounded like you are a socialist…take from the rich to give to the poor. You decide what they do with their money that they earned. That is not a Christian teaching … we called to be charitible and that is between the person and God. It is none of your business. Jeff had a prefect example today by asking for people to donate and end in 2. He didn’t say those of you who are paid member can afford more, you need to contribute over $102. Those who get it for free, $2 is fine.
I give way more than you. I am sure. As my business needs eased off I worked for free helping people about 25 hours a week. Another 25 taking care of work. My wife volunteered about 25 hours a week. I am not a Libertarian. Not a shred of guilt or cognitive dissonance. I just seriously dislike thieves. And you are one.
How am I a thief numb nuts? I've taken nothing from you or anyone else. What a foolish low-IQ response. Seriously, words actually mean things, you don't get to define them.
Hey dufus, a home is an INVESTMENT. Earnings on investments are subject to capital gains taxes. That's how it works. You already have a $500k exemption that other investments don't have. You have that because the government is already using the tax code to social engineer and encourage home ownership. You knew the rules when you bought the house, or at least you should have.
I'd have over $1M in capital gains on my own house if I sold it today. I'd love to pocket that money, but that's not how the law works. Why do you get some special exception just because you work hard? News flash for you, lots of people work hard, and a lot harder than you. You aren't anything special.
The entitlement on here is something to behold. You are no different from the people you look down on, wanting something for nothing. Why is your INVESTMENT untouchable when no one else's is? Like it or not taxes are a fact of life. Yes they are way to high and often wasted, we agree on that. But why are you exempt from investment taxes when no one else is? You have no answer for that.
Like I said, you have elevated selfishness, greed, and hedonism to a political philosophy.
So by your logic if you are fortunate enough to have more than the $500K in home equity, you are relatively wealthy and must pay money to the federal govt? Because they will certainly put it to better use than you would.... Really?
Another really foolish response. A slogan masquerading as some deep insight.
A principle home is an investment, just like stocks, bonds, rental real estate, crypto, or whatever. Investments are subject to capital gains taxes and have been since we have had a tax code.
You already have a $500k exemption that none of those other investments have. But that's not good enough, you insist for some unstated reason that you should be subject to zero taxes. Why? What makes you so special?
Short answer is that nothing makes you special. You want an exemption that just applies to your group that other people don't get. That's no different from every other interest group feeding at the public trough. You think you shouldn't have to pay taxes on your investment income simply because you are old.
I hate taxes as much as anyone and despise how the money is wasted. But something has to pay for government. Your answer is that it you should be exempt from it. Your investment earnings are off the table, let they guy who made money in the stock market pay them instead. Let him pay for the fire department and military. How dare someone expect you to pay taxes on your investment earnings.
If you made an philosophical argument against *any* investment taxes then at least you would be intellectually consistent, albeit delusional. But you can't even be bothered to do that. Your little pile of money should be exempt, because of some stupid slogan with zero intellectual rigor behind it.
This is *exactly* why people cannot stand Boomers or people who think like them (and I'm a borderline boomer born in 1961). You act as if you are something special and have made greed your God. Boomers would rather blow $20k on a Mediterranean cruise (it's my money dammit!!) than use it to get your own grandkids, your own flesh and blood, out of some shithole school.
An awful lot of people are going to be really lonely abandoned in nursing homes in another decade or two.
First off, starting a comment with "so by your logic" is bad faith as you are putting words in my mouth I didn't say. You create a straw man and then argue against it.
My comment was thoughtful and well-reasoned, and I explain the specific rationale for my observations. Instead of telling me how my conclusions are wrong, you mouth off.
Yes, really.
Edit: Noting that the capital gains tax is not something the government invented just for homeowners, but applies to any investment. And a home is an investment, whether you care to admit that or not. There's already an exemption that homeowners get that doesn't apply to other investments, as the tax code recognizes principle home ownership is good for society. As I made clear in my comment, I think that exemption should increase over time to account for inflation.
These low IQ responses (and they are low IQ as they are pure emotion with no rational thought or knowledge behind them) are ridiculous. People have lost the ability to persuasively make their point and just shoot their mouths off in the heat of the moment.
It's ironic as comments like this demonstrate such poor self-control, it's unlikely people even have the discipline to acquire $500k in capital gains in the first place.
It's also not okay that the feds think they own a percentage of anything of mine that has increased in value, so their 'generosity' in 'allowing' me to keep a bit more from the sale of MY HOME isn't really comforting.
Said the self righteous author of multiple 100+ word posts stating anyone who disagrees is "low IQ" ...and that capital gains tax is virtuous somehow... good grief...
You called me a thief first (your exact words). I'm not "nice" to people who call me names but give it right back to them. Surprise, surprise, they don't like it.
You've gotten so used to bullying people that when they give it back to you it shocks your sensibilities. I do that for a reason. Maybe next time you won't start calling people names first.
I am a little late in responding, but I, also, take offense at your post. You state: "The only way people end up owing more taxes than their equity is if they live recklessly and repeatedly borrow against their home. No one should be doing this in the first place as it's financially irresponsible and destructive." My wife and I are in our 70s, have no dependents, worked (obviously) and saved religiously until our retirement. At which point our best investment was an expensive property, against which we "repeatedly borrow" (it's called "Living Expenses"}
I very much resent being told that we "live recklessly" and our way of life is "financially irresponsible and destructive".
Insulting those who choose to live life differently from you is, as you say "shooting your mouth off".
As a 70 something that worked from the age of 14 and, YES, squirreled away money, I resent your attitude that what is left of MY MONEY isn’t for MY pleasure. I do not buy $200 sneakers, $1,500 spy phones, a new BMW every 3 years and order daily from Amazon or Door Dash. I was brought up to reuse, recycle and renovate before the Green Goblins made it a mantra. I watched newly minted college grads get sales jobs at the corporation I worked for come in late, leave at 11 for a 3 hour “lunch”, check email and leave the office at 3 to “beat the traffic”. The lack of work ethic in this group, beginning in the mid 80’s, was astounding. The continued entitlement attitude of this crop of baby boomer offspring makes me sad and pessimistic for the health of our wonderful country.
Thanks RL. I often try to get people to look at things a little differently as understanding nuance is a good thing. People with an agenda (and I don't mean Jeff Childers here but generally) often omit relevant nuance as part of their propaganda. It's important to look at things from all sides, and there is more to this than what's being stated.
I don't expect them to agree with me, but just ask that they consider things with an open mind. If I were to sell my house today I'd have over $1M in capital gains so I'm bringing these points up against my own financial interests.
Yet instead they get all mad and emotional, and their brains immediately shut down. Instead of explaining where I made an error in my logic, they throw invective. (I usually throw it back once they start it to give them a taste of their own medicine, but try not to do it first.) None of this bodes well for the future, as we are quickly losing the ability to think critically.
The ironic part is that most people probably don't even understand how any of this works. It's mostly just an emotional response.
I appreciate hearing different points of view, sometimes there are aspects I haven’t thought of, or didn’t know about, and it may or may not change my overall opinion, but it’s good to bring in nuance and relevant information for a more well rounded view.
Emotional response Jeff C. Like calling people rude names when they disagree with you.
10% (tithe) was enough in the beginning, and there was a complete 'reset' every 50 years. Greed is a human nature, government is made from humans. Unfortunately greed has taken on advanced and complicated means to take from some to give to others.
What if we want to leave more of our own earnings for our children, instead of wasting money as you suggest we will? Are we allowed to do that, in your world?
Hi Jeff C. As a Christian and listener of Dave Ramsey I’m curious what leads you to believe that removing a tax exemption would be destructive or financially irresponsible? I’m failing to make the connection. I pay my taxes to Caesar (Mark 12) and am looking to leave an inheritance to my children and grandchildren (Proverbs 13) so what is it about removing this tax that would be bad/ wrong? Thanks for your thoughts.
P.S. Yes I own my own home and will have over 500 in cap gains, mainly due to the length of time lived in home ( bought in early 2000’s) and the Covid bump. am in my late 50’s so selling will be in 5-10 years to downsize . We’re in a suburb of working class homes loads of repairs & upgrades to home but it will be close trying to reach less than 500k due to comps.
Thanks for the thoughtful question, I didn't explain that very well.
I was just making the point that one of the brakes on borrowing lots of money against one's home is that people can end up owing more capital gains taxes than their equity. If one borrows money to improve their home (such as an addition) then they aren't penalized on that as it offsets capital gains. But if they borrow it to buy RV's, boats, and other toys that they can't afford, then it doesn't offset capital gains and they can get in real trouble.
I only brought it up as Jeff Childers used it as an example of why the capital gains tax should be removed. But he didn't explain the details I mention above. It's a terrible argument to say that we should change the tax code to protect irresponsible fools who blow their equity on nonsense. Instead we should discourage them from doing it in the first place.
My point is that for this to even come into play ones has to be a really irresponsible knucklehead, borrowing literally hundreds of thousands of dollars for stuff they can't afford. The last thing we should be doing is incentivizing this, and it's not a good reason to remove the tax. There may be other reasonable reasons for doing so, but this isn't one of them.
I do take issue with the fact that 'giving relatively wealthy people a windfall' is a negative thing - anything that allows people to keep what they have earned is a plus in my book. I am against social engineering with tax policy and in my dream world we would have a flat tax that everyone paid. But I do 'get' the folly of borrowing against your home. I too used to listen to Dave (he is no longer on the air locally) and some of the situations people get themselves in give me an anxiety attack just listening, lol. We were 'Dave people' before Dave was cool, pay cash for cars, live on less than we make and so on. We read The Millionaire Next Door in the mid 90's and it made a big impression on us.
It seems like—from what I’m seeing in the comments—that older people who are single (often widows or widowers) looking to move/downsize are some of the “regular people” being hurt by these taxes. They only get 250000 as an exemption and in certain areas, I can see that becoming an issue.
I'm confused...as a senior, we sold our primary residential home & purchased a smaller home with no tax on capital gains. As long as we purchased within one year of selling, we avoided those taxes. I understood that capital gains did not count if you repurchased. What am I missing?
Are you referring to a 10-31 exchange? If still available, you can sell and reinvest into a like property at equal or higher value and bypass the tax. Tax deferred.
There is an exemption of $250,000 for singles and $500,000 for married for capital gains. So you take your original basis (purchase price) and add in any provable improvements and then the exemption as noted above and anything over that is what is considered taxable gains. Also, the requirement to purchase another home within any time frame, I believe, is no longer a requirement.
You likely did a 1031 exchange that defers capital gains if you buy a like property in a set time period. If you sell your current home and choose to cash out the proceeds you’d owe the capital gains you deferred from the first house and any capital gains due on the second home. If you never sell that house and die there is a whole new set of inheritance laws that now apply and I’m not sure what happens to the deferred capital gains tax.
Just curious. You buy a house for $100,000. Thirty years later you die and it is worth $2M. After 15 years you started a reverse mortgage such that you now owe $1.5 million. What is the taxable position of the estate?
I know an elderly widow lady who moved in with her daughter. She
owns a lovely beach home. She doesn’t rent it, use it or sell it. I guess because her home was bought 23 years ago and there would be significant capital gains. As I understand it, there are no capital gains if the daughter inherits her mother’s home.
The same. I am a Realtor and mostly retired - cannot afford to sell to buy another property because of capital gains taxes ( as are many of my clients )
I can't recall ever having a client pay CG taxes on the sale of a principal residence, save one, nor any aging clients who had to stay in their homes because they couldn't afford to sell.
Just anecdote, and I know anecdote isn't a synonym for data, but this measure, if passed, will affect almost no one.
I have an older client (older than I, anyway!) who sold an expensive home in San Francisco in 2024 for $2.25M, but their basis was $1.5M so with the $500k exclusion they paid CG tax on just $250,000.
They are wealthy, and their situation is the exception not the rule. This measure will help no one in the lower, middle, or upper-middle classes. It's political posturing.
Mind you, I don't think the wealthy don't already pay their "fair share", but this measure is much ado about nothing.
I keep seeing people in the comments saying this isn’t really an issue for the vast majority of people but there seems to be a group (and not just the wealthy) for whom this *is* actually a significant problem 😕
My mama worked 60 - 70 hour weeks for 40 years to raise us kids and pay off her mortgage. She was very frugal, we did not take vacations, buy new cars, go out for dinner, etc. When she sold her house and property, she had to pay around $200K in capital gains tax. She is not wealthy and is concerned about making the money from the sale of her home last, especially if she needs extra care in her last years, as my grandmother did. My grandmother lived to over 100 years old and this is a significant concern for my mama. I get that the house and property were an investment; she would tell us that it was an investment and that is part of the reason she fought so hard to hang on to it after my father walked out (the other reason was keeping a roof over our heads). It just seems like one more bite of the apple, as she paid her income taxes and property taxes all those years, and now, when she needs the money for what could be another 25-30 years, the federal government and WA state took a huge chunk of it.
I suppose I am being emotional about it, but I saw her leave for work around 0530 every morning for her day job and return home after midnight from her second job. It just seems as though she is being punished for doing the right thing by working hard to stay off welfare, raise her kids to be productive, conscientious members of society. It just seems so wrong.
Just my 2 cents, which won't even buy penny candy anymore.
Thank you for sharing your mom's story. What an admirable lady she is!! Huge kudos to her for being such a hardworking and upstanding citizen, in addition to being a great mom who raised her kids well ❤️ Society has far too few like her nowadays, it seems 😕
It looks more and more to me (despite many comments here to the contrary) that this tax isn’t such a non-issue. It certainly seems to be hurting a lot of hardworking non wealthy people. I personally object to describing a primary residence as an investment. While it is technically correct, it is also so much more than that. Being able to have a roof over one’s head is important and being able to later use that “investment” to have more financial security in one’s later years shouldn’t be seen as some kind of privilege. And honestly, the government takes so much money for so many other things, can’t they leave people’s homes alone??
Thank you, RunningLogic, for your kind comment. With regards to treating one's primary residence as any other investment vehicle, you articulated my thoughts on the subject perfectly!
I wonder if it might be easier to remove the 250000/500000 exemption at a later date than pass a new law to reinstate this tax? If so, maybe eliminating this tax altogether provides greater future protection for the middle class homeowner against more people having to pay? Wasn’t the Biden administration trying to remove the exemption at some point? I have no idea if that has anything to do with this proposal, it’s just something that occurred to me as being a possibility 🤪
I wouldn't favor removing the exemption. I wouldn't mind it being expanded. I wouldn't mind CG taxes being repealed altogether.
My reason for commenting at all was to point out that this measure is much ado about nothing. That the GOP should be pushing initiatives that impact *more* people, not boutique issues that impact very few.
They should be spending their political capital wisely and broadly, not for generating big headlines that in reality are far bigger than the measures themselves.
Understood. I don’t disagree about things with more impact. But it could be that those higher impact changes (like removing the income tax) might be harder to enact than chipping away little by little (?).
It seems to me from the comments I’m seeing that this tax impacts widowed older people and by extension their children, disproportionately.
I guess I view it more as taking as much money away from the government as possible. The less they have and the smaller the government is, the better (up to a point, but we’re very far away from that point now so I’m not worried about reaching it).
As for the exemptions, I actually was wondering about possibly pre-empting Democrats from removing the exemption by removing the tax altogether. It seems like reinstating it would be harder than tinkering with something that already exists. I could be wrong though.
Hi Cheryl, what about the capital gains exclusions of $250K for singles and $500 for married filing jointly? If your gain exceeds these amounts, you pay capital gains tax only on the excess. As long as you've owned and lived in the house as your primary residence for at least two of the past five years, you are eligible for this exclusion.
Yes, but the exclusion law changed in 2008, so every day that your home is rented since 2008, you have to pay capital gains taxes and 25% of the depreciation (whether it was deducted on your Schedule E or not) to the IRS. If you never rented it, then you might not have to pay it. That's why I send people to the IRS.gov website to get Publication 523 and recommend that they talk with a reputable tax advisor. Many people erroneously assume that because they lived in the home 2 years, rented it for three, then sold it and netted out less than the $250/500k they're scott-free from paying Capital Gains taxes.
Any home sale which is used to fund another home of equal or lesser value is exempt. Correct? So this would apply to a sale that did not preceed a new higher value purchase? Such as downsizing or moving to rental?
I’m in agreement but there must be income and/or home equity limits phase-outs in her bill or this will be another case like the carried interest exemption where mega wealthy “hedges” , et al, get their primary income (salaries , bonuses, etc…) taxed as investment income
I just had a friend who had a nightmare experience with renters in TN and then other friends of hers chimed in about similar experiences (renters absolutely trashing a house). It would already be something of a burden to manage a property but if things go south I can see how it could get really ugly 😕
That’s awful 😞 I’m sorry she went through that. And people wonder why there aren’t enough rentals available 😕 I’d hate to risk that, not worth it unless you have no other option.
Completed my C&C Multiplier by donating to heroic Dr Moore (Primum Non Nocere - First, Do No Harm!!), props to Bondi/Trump for Dismissing Resident Autopen Cabbage Admin's corrupt lawfare - now prosecute the human cockroach fraudci and the rest for this vicious crime against humanity - and their poisonous jab - which unnecessarily - but intentionally - killed & injured millions of people and has severely damaged millions of children who will die early, not be able to have children and/or have chronic conditions for the rest of their lives. Despicable evil. There must be accountability.
While I'm at it, please take a few moments to read this detailed report from John Solomon's Just The News - accountability for the obama, clinton, biden, comey, brennan criminals is coming - I promise it is well worth the five minutes:
And I strongly recommend every one consider subscribing to this truth telling news organization. Solomon has put together an excellent team of fact reporters.
It’s okay to be skeptical, the deep state operatives have not yet been fully removed from the government and they are working feverishly to undermine POTUS and his team. Keep the faith, don’t listen to the delusional, evil left and never Trumpers (who feign momentarily to be Trump Supporters), who wish to sell seeds of discontent. Support POTUS every way you are able - and pray for God’s continuing intercession. T.A.W. BECAUSE G.A.W!
That was long but worth the read. Encouraging to know or to hope that something will be done. These dems have gotten away with murder….figuratively and literally….for years.
Dan, my comments here are based on a summary article from msn.com which suggests that much of the information revealed to Durham was “factually untrue”. I cannot corroborate that finding after a closer reading of the article to which I was helpfully referred after my initial reaction (comment). Now, I see that the msn article is not an accurate summary. Thank you for guiding me to John Solomon’s piece which is definitely not what I read on msn.com. This is so typical, isn’t it? Left wing media is not to be believed and quoted. I see nothing wrong with John Durham’s statement in Just the News. Dear God, this is proof once again of msm lies. I must never believe them. Ta!
Addendum, the msn.com summary came from the Daily Caller:
Federal officials under former President Barack Obama began investigating claims that Trump colluded with Russia to win the presidency based on faulty intelligence funded by Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC). The probe involved multiple attempts to surveil Trump and his 2016 campaign, and former Special Counsel John Durham later found such efforts to be factually baseless in a lengthy 2023 report
I'm not certain how you came to the conclusion that ovomit and Autopen still control the DOJ? They never did, their handlers and the autopen did, but that ended on Jan 21, 2025 and accountability is coming. I'm not certain how anyone has ever come to the conclusion that ovomit was some kind of master politician/statesman (perhaps his 'nobel' for getting s_Elected?) when he wasn't anything more than a puppet controlled by the globalists and deep state who put him and cabbage in power.
We should be skeptical of DJT because he supports the jabs and digital ID. Those alone will negate anything good he has done because those 2 things reduce the population will make it "1984" for us in the future.
Watch the sleight of hand... Look here, not there...
I'd give a lot more props to Bondi if she hadn't basically done this because she was being pressured about it and wanted people to overlook all of her Epstein nonsense. As it is, Dr. Moore got to this point because Bondi _wouldn't_ drop the case until she was getting pretty roundly called out about it. And there's not a good excuse - several high profile people have been bringing this up for months and it was ignored until the other day.
Sadly, there are people out there who can't see that Dr. Moore was actually providing a service people wanted, being fully informed. They just see "he was lying to the government" and worse, "he was enabling these people to deceive their employers and not get an experimental shot". _sigh_
I think Bondi has an overfull plate and had to wait on the deep creeps still in DOJ to slowly present the case - unless you assume she is simply willy nilly about making decisions?
My hope and expectation is that a critical part of her calculus is getting a handle on who in DOJ can be counted on and who in DOJ can be counted on to stab her in the back, repeatedly, and at every new opportunity. And replacing them until we finally have a DOJ doing it's job instead of being weaponized to do things like was done to POTUS, Moore, to J6, and so many MILLIONS more.
It really astonishes me that so many people think things should be happening immediately and without due process. Everybody needs to fucking relax and let POTUS and HIS team cook.
I agree MayBella - I think most of the people who are bitching and complaining are anti-Trump rabble-rousers trying to cause problems. Either "Never Trumpers" or Dbag Leftists who have Terminal TDS and are showing up at sites like this to attempt to hurt Trump and MAGA. They will never change my opinion of Trump, the best President in my lifetime and perhaps in the lifetime of the USA - time will tell.
I'm just not ready to throw her under the bus, especially with so many deep state shit heads still working - FEVERISHLY and UNDER COVER of the DOJ deep state to destroy her and POTUS. I think a lot of people lied to her.
I think that you, I or anyone else not at the DOJ have the security clearance or the “need to know” to see everything going on. I am eternally grateful to her for taking the thankless job of fighting the deep state and cleaning up the huge mess from the last 5 Presidents (except Trump). The ones who are complaining the most loudly are people who have no idea how the government works when it is working correctly. I believe in her.
Give Send Go censored my comment that goes with the donation. I said thank you to Dr. Moore from saving children from the heinous jab and preventing disability, maiming and death. So in 2025, censoring is still living large.
I really don't like GSG - they think they have a "management" responsibility which goes far beyond determining that the right person gets the money as soon as possible.
Please everyone, call the President to stop the WHO Amendments-DEADLINE IS JULY 19
Call 202-456-1414 and this is the operator. Ask to be transferred to the President's comment line. Say No to the 2024 WHO amendments, they are bad news. Wait time is about 5-10 minutes so be prepared for that.
When you add the requested $4 fee to your donation, the last figure is a 6, no longer a 2. My donation ends in 6, and i suspect a few other C&C donations do as well.
Done. This is a multipler I fully support. This doctor is a hero. Courageous. He saved lives unlike the vast majority who went along with it and enabled the scamdemic. A true doctor in every sense of the word. 👏👏👏❤️👍✝️
What is that? Continuing the war? If you haven't read the room, you are in the small minority who likes this war (and most of those people are brainwashed shit libs)
Regarding the so-called raw footage of Jeffrey Epstein‘s jail cell: maybe the deep state handed Pam Bondi that recording and told her it was raw footage when it really wasn’t in order to discredit her and to throw a monkey wrench into the investigation because that’s what the deep state does. Just a theory. It should be interesting to see what she says now that the footage is Found to benot so raw.
I am not sure it’s just a matter of feeding the trolls. If it’s real, then I would not have expected Axios to break the story. I think something else is going on.
The bottom line is though, we can all speculate until we’re blue in the face but we don’t have all of the information and can’t really know at this point what’s really going on.
Maybe you leak to Axios to try to show good faith that you're leaking to what you know is a non-friendly news source, trying to prove the credibility of the material.
So, did Axios just happen to be the first news outlet to stumble onto the memo? News that big would have looked more transparent (honest) if the DOJ had held a press conference and announced to the world, "This is our general conclusion. Read the memo on our site for details." Anything less looks sketchy. Whoever breaks news gets to spin it, and everybody else has to chase the spin to verify, unspin, or re-spin.
I'm beginning to think everything Epstein is the circus half of bread and circuses. Probably by design, we'll all get Epstein fatigue and move on to the next bit of shiny fake news.
Epstein fatigue? Not yet. Inquiring minds haven't forgotten an uncomfortable fact: In 2002, according to New York magazine, Trump said: “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy…. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
I think it’s possible someone leaked it to them. Not sure who or why, but it just seems really strange that anyone who is on Trump’s side would give it to Axios of all possible “news” outlets 🤔
Another big problem with the Epstein jail video is that is not the same door that they showed us covered in police tape in 2019! Can anyone explain that?
All that other evidence gets forgotten and a new truth is formed. It happens over and over.
What happened to Seth and Julian? Where are Hiilary and Podestas emails?
Eventually people move on to other horrid FF events or distractions or mind manipulation they perpetuate on us, so we can't keep up with it all and resign to survive to provide for our families while the tax us to death paying for their wars and our own demise.
I think this theory is pretty good. The Epstein thing is far bigger than pedophilia - blackmailing of the highest order, which could seriously disrupt the global order if all the beans are spilled (and may be tied to the missing $20 trillion in our government - that you will never hear Trump or any other POTUS talk about)
If the choice is between nefarious intent or government incompetence, I will go with incompetence. The vast majority of bureaucrats would forget about forensic review. Also remember that most experts do not work for the government. Not only did they need to wipe the meta data, but they would also need to create fake meta data that indicated the video was the raw original data.
The whole thing is a joke. First, we see video footage that is far outside of Epstein‘s cell. Then they remove one minute of it. Then they doctor it up so obvious… at this point they are mocking us.
And yes, they still haven’t explained how the letter was leaked to Axios. Clown 🤡 show and insulting to boot.
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left. Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.”
Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool. If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land; but if you refuse and rebel, you shall be devoured by the sword; for the mouth of the Lord has spoken."
Where it says, “Two are working and one will be taken”, then it seems to compare this to a “thief in the night”, does that spell out to anyone that, perhaps they don’t mean the Rapture, a word never mentioned in the bible?
Perhaps it means that the antichrist has taken them like a thief in the night? And then the verses about a new heaven and a new earth, with US right here ON the new earth rather than being “hoovered up” like Jesus is a big old vacuum cleaner make sense? 666 comes BEFORE 777. Anybody else see what I’m seeing?
SAME. I’ve just never thought through this one, though I’ve read it 100x.
No way Matthew compares Jesus to a thief. Also, most everything GOOD that God makes happen, is in the broad light of day. Satan usually operates under cover of night. I can’t imagine we’d all be Hoovered up at night. Plus, who worked their field at night? Nobody — unless your eldest daughter is getting married in the back yard and you’re there pulling weeds by way of a headlamp. Ask me
Read Thessalonians 5…….He is talking about spiritual darkness. We should not be living in spiritual darkness, but walking in the light of His Word. It doesn’t say that He comes at night, but that the ‘Day if the Lord’ comes as a thief in the night……
Going on to explain that even in daytime the evil ones walk in darkness . And in another place he calls them ‘children of darkness’ who cannot even perceive light
“Now concerning the times and seasons,brothers and sisters, you have no need for anything to be written to you.
For you yourselves know very well that the Day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night.
When they are saying, “Shalom and safety,” sudden destruction comes upon them like a woman having birth pains in the womb—there is no way they will escape.
But you, brothers and sisters, are not in the dark, so that the Day might overtake you like a thief.
For you all are sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night or of darkness— so then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain on the alert and sober-minded. For those who sleep, sleep at night; and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. But since we are of the day, let us be sober-minded—putting on the breastplate of faithfulness and love, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.
For God did not destine us for wrath but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Yeshua the Messiah. He died for us so that, whether we may be awake or asleep,we may live together with Him. Therefore encourage one another and build each other up—just as you in fact are doing.”
“Plus, who worked their field at night? Nobody — unless your eldest daughter is getting married in the back yard and you’re there pulling weeds by way of a headlamp. Ask me
Haha. Not asking. Hoping my daughter marries one of these days, though, so she can get out of the Witness Protection Program. Like father, like daughter? Haha again.
But maybe it’ll be like a thief in the night to those who are left behind ?
Maybe christ comes back a lion
Antichrist (who always mimics christ ) comes back a LIE n ( alien - they blame it on an alien invasion!)
Anyhow kc ☀️ - I don’t understand what your saying about ur theory can u speak little more to it- I’m super interested in theology and eschatology but I’m leaning pre trib rapture perhaps wishful thinking but nevertheless it’s where I’m at the moment
I’ve been studying with Shepherd’s Chapel online or on TV for decades. Pastor Arnold Murray and his son Dennis, know the word way better than anyone else I have encountered. They know all the original languages and the meaning of every word in the bible, regardless of its origin. They are 100% sure that the AC comes first. He will arise out of seemingly
nowhere, in a spirit of peace and prosperity, we WILL live through the tribulation though the time will be shortened ton5 months. I’ve just watched their lesson on Ezekiel 36-40. I was spellbound.
I’ve always thought of the phrase, “as a thief in the
night” as being just like it says right afterwards, if the master of the home knew he was
going to be robbed, he’d have been on guard. So it told me to just be aware/on guard, and stay ready to have Jesus return. All that seems still true but today the verse struck me as having another meaning— more like the parable
of the wheat and the tares. I was able to copy & paste
it to you.
So, THIS to me says, the antichrist will def come FIRST and will be taken— first, like in the verse above saying 2 are working in a field and 1 is snatched. On other words, he’s snatched by the AC, NOT hovered up by Jesus.
Bottom
line: I do not think this is a matter that will stop you from being saved, not going to heaven. I just want to LNOW what I believe and why. I’d love
to
be able to teach others abt it with complete confidence.
According to the parable of the wheat and the tares, Jesus is saying the wicked will be removed first, which pretty much contradicts man’s doctrine of the ‘rapture’.
‘Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “FIRST gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’ Matthew 13:30 (NASB95)
‘And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom. The tares are the sons of the evil one; and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.’
While the actual English word rapture is not in the Bible the Greek word harpazo is in the Bible 17 times. Harpazo is defined catch up, take by force, catch away, pluck, catch, pull. 2 Corinthians 12:2 and 4, 1 Thessalonians 4:17, Revelation 12:5 are some of the best. Raptura is a Latin word meaning to seize or to snatch away. This is where rapture derives from. When Jesus speaks about the two in the field in Matthew 24:40-41 or Luke 17:34-37 he is explaining there will be a time when believers and unbelievers will be divided. One will be taken (snatched away) and one will be left behind. This will happen when He returns for His church. His "church" are the true believers not those who just say they are. Remember in Matthew 7:21-23 he told the disciples that not everyone who says "Lord Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. He knows the true heart of his followers.
What you point out is why I can’t dismiss the idea of the rapture. I found the same information when I taught Matthew this past year. I won’t push the concept because arguing about such things is futile, but I do wish those arguing vociferously that the word rapture isn’t in the Bible would give it a rest. The word Trinity isn’t in the Bible either, but those who believe in Jesus Christ, God’s only Son, Savior of our souls, don’t argue about that
Yes. To take His bride (not the ‘church’ as is being taught) to the wilderness. To be taken through the ‘tribulum’ (greek) to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Any way it happens is fine with me. As long as I’m with Him.
What you say about the word ‘harpazo’ is true, however, taking the verse in 1Thessalonians 4:17 we see that taking away the people results in their meeting Jesus in the air. The word used there for ‘meeting’, apantesis, describes a series of events that was common back then where an honored guest, a triumphant general, a king or emperor was coming to your town, people would go out to meet him and then escort him back into town. Again, I have to say this also kind of contradicts man’s doctrine of the rapture. I am reminded of Jesus’s warning to his followers concerning the teachings, doctrines of men.
A good picture of this kind of ‘meeting’ is given in the story of Jesus being escorted into town on the colt of a donkey and them scattering palms on the path ahead of him. They heard he was coming, they went out to meet him and they escorted him back into town. Incidentally, that’s exactly what the Wise virgins did that night when the trumpet announced the arrival of the bridegroom. They trimmed their lamps, having plenty of oil, and went out to meet him and then escorted him back into town.
I understand this to mean to be always prepared for Christ’s 2 coming. We don’t know the time of it is we should always be prepared. For not all will go to heaven. The oil lamp is another scripture reading that addresses this too.
According to the parable of the wheat and the tares, Jesus is saying that the wicked will be removed first, which pretty much contradicts man’s doctrine of the ‘rapture’.
‘Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “FIRST gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’ Matthew 13:30 (NASB95)
‘And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.’
Bottom line is all of this will happen in a twinkling of an eye. Fast!
When the Bridegroom (Jesus) comes for His Bride (His Church) we had better be ready to hear the trumpet and have oil in our lamps as we head into the wedding feast.
There were three feast seasons in Israel, where God‘s people were required to attend. The first one which, included Passover, coincided with the barley harvest. The barley was relatively easy to clean, requiring only that it be winnowed. It should be noted, though, that a portion of the barley was separated from the rest and then offered as firstfruits unto God.
The second feast season, Pentecost, occurred at the time of the wheat harvest. Again, a portion was separated from the rest and then offered as firstfruits unto God. The wheat was more difficult to clean and required different methods one of which was the tribulum, the threshing sledge, that was used to crack the husk and loosen the chaff. Then the wheat was winnowed in order to separate the husk and the chaff from the grain.
The third feast season, which included the feast of tabernacles or booths, occurred at the time of the grape harvest. The grapes were even more difficult to deal with, requiring that they be crushed in the wine press in order to separate the flesh from the blood of the grape. As difficult as that process was, it was worth it, since the final product was wine.
The idea that there were three harvest seasons, and that the book of revelations refers to two angels being sent at different times in order to harvest the Earth might cause one to ponder the significance of this information. If the harvests refer to people, then the idea of a single ‘rapture’ doesn’t work. Perhaps the men that formed that doctrine should think of making the word ‘rapture’ plural instead of singular.
For those that might choose to ponder the significance of these harvests, I would suggest thinking of the bride, the 144,000, and the great sea of people that looked like glass.
Though there is no mention in the Bible about the number of times a fisherman sorted the fish, I’ve read commentary that 3 times could be accurate. Sorting good from bad as soon as the net is hauled into the boat, then a second sorting of good from bad on the shore. The last time would be when getting the fish ready for market, which correlates to the feasts you mention. As we get ready for Jesus’s soon return, it would seem we are in the last round of sorting, which brings to mind the 10 virgins, of which 5 were foolish. Praying to be among the 5 wise virgins🙏
Ya, It makes sense that that’s the way they would’ve separated the fish although it’s in reverse order of the way the harvest seasons teach. In the harvests lesson it was the best that was taken first and then the second best then finally the worst ones.
As to your prayer about being one of the wise virgins, here’s something to consider: The virgins were not the bride
We can assume that the virgins were friends of the bride, we know for a fact they were not the bride, so I see a distinction in the group of people already. We got three groups here. We got the bride. We got the Wise virgins and we got the foolish virgins. We have the barley, the wheat and the grapes of wrath.
But Would the bridegroom set it up to where his bride endures this tribulation?? We all endure troubles but the trib is a whole nother realm. I have been following pastor Gary Hamrick online from Cornerstone Church in Virginia and he has me pretty convinced! His study on Revelation is amazing! But I of course still have questions and love to hear discussions and debates on this- we r in a time where we need debates on this badly especially given the amount of antisemitism occurring now from Christian conservatives - we need to be having theological and eschatological discussions now!! We r going to be more confused and best we can hash this out now the better! As you said our salvation does not depend on our interpretation- thank God but it’s gonna get lit down here for all or some of us and we need to be awake and aware ! I’ll check out your guy/ church you listen to as well!
Thanks for engaging in the topic!
Everything now is coming down to theology and eschatology I belive that 100! And sadly most convos don’t get down to it!!
Remember back in the old days the Jews how the weddings were - paraphrasing :man would ask father for his brides hand then he’d leave for an unknown time to build a home for them to live and then come back unannounced and off they’d go to their new home !! Weee!! What a cause for a celebration!!
Also I’m curious are u saying the antichrist is going to snatch us while in the fields?
So the inept deceit with the video is comparable to the phony Obama birth certificate, where computer experts were able to take it apart and show it had been compiled with pieces of information from seven different documents.
The Obama minions screwed up his 2009 tax form by leaving on the phony Connecticut Social Security number on it that he had been illegally using since he was twenty-six years old (a federal felony).
The US government has been a criminal enterprise since @ least Clinton’s first term (RICO anyone) & the MSM has been complicit in furthering the crimes. It’s only accelerated since Obama took office. I am not sure if 4 years of an un compromised Trump administration will be enough to dismantle all the corruption.
Ever hear of the Teapot Dome Scandal? "The Teapot Dome scandal was a major political corruption scandal in the United States during the 1920s. It involved the secret leasing of U.S. Navy oil reserves, specifically the Teapot Dome oil field in Wyoming and other reserves in California, to private oil companies at favorable terms, without competitive bidding. Secretary of the Interior Albert Fall was at the center of the scandal, accepting bribes from oilmen Harry Sinclair and Edward Doheny in exchange for these leases."
Fall was the first Cabinet member to go to prison.
Sounds a lot like what Hillary Clinton did with selling 25% of our uranium to Russia.
None of us will. That's the joy of being alive. The elite obsession with immortality is a fear-based desperation. Q: "Why can't we live forever?" A: "That why we have kids."
"Let me try explaining this another way, for people who live in a distant Northwestern city where they elect mayors who turn over large portions of downtown to unruly mobs who enthusiastically recreate demonic set scenes combining Mad Max Thunderdome with an (accidentally) LSD-infused church summer camp production of Sodom and Gomorrah."
The elections are rigged. It is all mail in ballots only and then they bring in the number of necessary ballots to put their candidate over the top. This has gone on for the 4 decades Democrats have been running the government.
One of the big problems with the Epstein jail video is that they said none existed. And now it does? And there WAS a client list, and now there is none?
Rodger Stone was interviewed on OANN and he says that what they need to do is have Pam Bondi require a court in New York (?) to release all of the sealed information that was used in Epstein‘s plea deal
That would be cool. Can it happen? It might make Alan Dershowitz very uncomfortable. He claims to have blockbuster info sworn to secrecy. No doubt that's true. I like him, but I'm tired of insiders talking about what they can't talk about. I'm sure that raises their stock values, but all we get are dry-well clicks and interviews.
Another big problem with the Epstein jail video is that is not the same door that they showed us covered in police tape in 2019! Can anyone explain that?
There are a few others on C&C that include this hatred in almost every comment they make even when the topic isn’t related to anything about Israel/Jews. I ignore them. I’m weary of the hate. My Lord and Savior was/is a Jewish Rabbi, and but for the Jews we would not have the Bible. (Of course the writer “Dude” mocks those of us who believe.)
Re the NATO/Ukraine weapons business: Trump made a deal, one that will generate income for the US instead of expenses. But with this action, Trump did nothing to bring an end to an endless war, and to stop the killing. "I want peace!!" .... heard echoing down an empty alleyway in NW DC.
He tried direct negotiation’s and now he is trying this. NATO countries footing the bill may be the only way to stop this war. They won’t enjoy the expense. It was fine when USA was paying but maybe now they will come to their senses
Agreed. The Europeans haven’t been pressuring Ukraine to end the war, they’ve actually been kind of encouraging it from the sidelines (why am I getting a mental picture of the Martha’s Vineyard idiots?). Maybe if they’re feeling the financial impacts too, Ukraine will get pressure from many countries. One can hope.
Not used to balance the budget no doubt. Peace was made with the Minsk Agreement btween Russia and Ukraine, which NATO violated just to go to war. Now Ukraine is lost by default.
Minsk create a ceasefire that Russia violated-not nato.
Ukraine hasn’t lost. Russia hasn’t won.
Ukraine wins by surviving. Russia, a nuclear power, loses by not winning.
How does the USA take 335 billion in seized assets that are in European banks to fund our own domestic spending? That won’t cover 1/10th of the OBBB trump loves
I get a kick out of the left’s TACO slur. It’s hilariously childish. What the left calls “chicken out” adults call “negotiating.” Trump-card power “chickened out” and bumped NATO up from 2.5% to 16.6%. More chicken for the kids, please.
The left throws screaming fits in public, breaks furniture, calls people names, and lies to get out of getting caught lying. Governing would be almost peaceful if the left would grow up and learn math. The right doesn’t help. It’s like a fatigued parent foolishly caving in. Like, “OK, OK, OK, sweetie. You don’t have to close the border, and your ill-mannered little friend can stay for dinner. Eat all the dessert you want while I clean up the mess you made in Los Angeles.”
Tired of excuses. The fact of the matter is, Trump has allowed, since day one, Biden's allocated funding and arms and intelligence to continue to flow to Ukraine.
My god I'm so tired of the childish comments here. Yes, because I made a truthful comment that isn't a good look for your idol Trump, i'm obviously on team D. It makes you look childish and ridiculous, but thats on you. Trump didn't make good decisions re Ukraine his first time in office. Pardon my blasphemy, if you will.
Some of the folks screaming the loudest about federal funding cuts are NGOs and churches- churches have been feeding at the teet of refugees resettlement for some time now. It all comes down to money.
Classic Trump to monetize the War in America’s favor. But, there better be a long term plan not to get sucked into a war with Russia (and by default, the CCP) and not to drain the American military of weapons.
He has tried via negotiating a peace agreement... and it appears that both sides continue to blow up everything! You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.
Trump wants a 30 day no condition ceasefire so Ukraine can try to regroup. He has no idea how to actually bring peace to the conflict. All he had to say is the US will no longer participate and it would end. The EU/IK and Ukraine governments are leeches, and US taxpayers are dupes.
Some of the folks screaming the loudest about federal funding cuts are NGOs and churches- churches have been feeding at the teet of refugees resettlement for some time now. It all comes down to money.
Those countries won’t fund it long. Trump tried negotiating but Z won’t be reasonable. So Trump is basically no saying “ok you want to keep the war going, someone else can pay.” I’m just annoyed that he’s continuing to deplete the US war chest.
When BNN and Horsey first came on C&C, I accused them of racism on the basis of their viewpoint that the only good Russian is a dead Russian. And they are explicitly clear about that. They would see the entire Russian population genocided and then rape the Russian territory of the natural resources to get rich. This is almost always the point of any war but they don't even try to hide their bloodthirsty racism.
These NeoCons are completely brainwashed by 80 years of NeoCon rhetoric against a now long vanquished Soviet Union. So they replace Soviet Union in their rhetoric with Russia and continue to press for total war...
BNN: "Bad guys dying is always good. If Putin wants the dying to stop he can end the war at anytime. The Ukrainians and Russians have one thing in common, both don’t care how many Russian soldiers die. So do I."
The lie embedded in the above statement (see BNN comment in this thread) is that even if Putin ended the war (by surrendering?), the NeoCons would STILL advocate for total war against the Russian people for the purpose of wiping them out entirely. Does this not remind you of the USG's treatment of the American Indian after the so-called Civil War? It's the same racist mentality and it is demonic.
If true, why did USAID push the 2014 coup, overthrowing Ukraine's legally elected government.
Using leftist logic? Man, that hurt hahahaha.
As for the Patriots you said, this am, Ukraine still has, how is it, as you just said, Russia is bombing, flattening cities. What's the point of the Patriots?
I truly feel sorry for you and your ilk. Intelligent people know when they are whipped, idiots keep fighting, losing more and more each day. But the West won't let them quit. Keith Kellogg is in Kiev right now, making sure they fight to the LAST UKRAINIAN.
Yeah, what’s up C&C Army? How’s that guy we voted for doing on his PROMISE that he was going to end this Ukraine Russia war on the first day in office?!?!?
But now I guess we are supposed to celebrate his great deal making as we profit in some small way off of the continuation of this savage war.
Killing the bad guys does a lot of good for peace. Putin is having to hire as many Nepali, Indian, Somali, and Yemeni men as he can to absorb Ukrainian bullets.
You do know that the Ukraine war is a war started by YOU and YOUR demonicRATS.
Ukraine has always sucked at the rest of the American Taxpayer and has an incestuos relationship with RAT and RINOS and is a hub for child trafficking.
And you know what, you treasonous ninnie bastard ? I no longer care or want to hear about Epstein list. I’m not a one-cause voter. I am pretty sure that YOU are a plant, you ARE making money on ALL the young men dying, both Ukrainians and Russians. You make me sick.
You rejoice over young people dying. The more death, the more money your and Lindsay’s little war machine makes.
They want peace, but not at the price Trump is asking. They seem to be humming right along. Now that another extension of Zelensky's Marshall law is approved Ukraine can keep grabbing people off the streets and throw them on the front lines. That's probably why NN isn't in Ukraine. Russia isn't under Marshall law, is it?
I can't wait to read the history of Trump's second term. I am hoping it leads off with, "Surprising all the experts, every single one of them, is the debt reduction achieved by Trump. No one expected a zero deficit and a surplus that was used to reduced the national debt by $5T. The three major contributors were: tariff income, economic growth that fueled 20% higher tax revenue for the Government, and modest spending cuts. All of these were also ingeniously conceived to be politically palatable to a broad set of voters effectively neutralizing the Democrat opposition. Trump's 2027 win of the Nobel Peace Prize pales in comparison to his fiscal achievements."
On the capital gains on homes: if we indexed for inflation, and in addition, provided an exemption for a certain dollar amount for it being the taxpayer’s homestead, it would be less objectionable. In fact, all taxable gains should be indexed for inflation.
I have been skeptical of MTG, but she is really proving herself, and gaining in her experience dealing w the Swamp. Hope that bill applies starting in TY25. We just sold our house of 33 years to buy one ‘middle age’ friendly for the next three decades. Was cheaper than trying to remodel, but CapGains are major. Currently you never own your house - just a vehicle to extract taxes - annually for local, and eventually to fund DC waste and grift. If not enough for DC, Pols will just spend more than tax inflow - just steal from our kids; so really no Diff to them how tax is raised, or not.
It is always amazing to go back and watch the video. "They" were planning a televised live murder but what they got was a televised live miracle by a split second.
On Truth Social , Trump said we should "not waste time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about." I am shocked and disgusted in equal measure. We deserve better. We were promised transparency by Bondi, Bongino, and Patel. Now there is no there, there?! What the hell is going on?
I was v upset by that too. And I’m surprised Jeff didn’t comment on that tweet. Yes we are sick of people in the know getting away with things BUT. more importantly, children were harmed and it’s so ugly everyone should want justice for those victims.
I’m old school. I think, calling 17 year old girls, children, is confusing and distracts from the fact that there is a porn industry selling videos of babies and toddlers being raped.
On the other hand, Trump frequently highlights things he wants people to pay attention to, even when he says something nice about someone we hate. I’m still watching this one.
Fret not, you cannot take everything Trump or his people say at face value, because we are engaged in irregular warfare. A lot of this theatre is not for us, it’s for the enemy.
Some of us have waited many many many decades for JFK and MLK Jr. justice so the Epstein people will have to put in their time. We need to choose our battles wisely and saving the United States of America should be at the top of the list and then justice can be served after that if possible.
I think Trump is finding out that MAGA is determined by the American people. American's have a built in sensitivity to pedophile predators. Trump has touched a hot burner. His pragmatism will get him only so far and he is finding out there ARE moral red-lines.
Silly boy, as a neocon proxy, KamelToe would have nuked Russia by now and put troops on the ground in Iran which, as a neocon yourself, you should know if you didn't have french fries for brains. But unfortunately for the NeoCons, their proxy candidate couldn't even get a nomination vote much less win an election (even if they did cheat)... LOL!
You are too funny 2Ns. "Harris was in charge"... LMAO. Maybe you and pedoNaziZilinski can team up and make a comedy act. I think you have the aptitude... just saying.
I am a mortgage lender, and have been for over 30-years. I have an aging client base who, after doing the math related to Capital Gains, many have chosen to stay in their homes and wait until after they pass, allow the home to be inherited by their kids, then let the kids sell it.
These seniors are sitting in homes that are too large for them and too expensive to keep, but they also can't afford to sell, especially after one spouse dies and the tax exemption drops in half.
I'm totally in favor of the law change. Let's each contact our state representatives and encourage them to pass this act.
⬆️ this is exactly where I am. My dad passed away last September. My mom needs a simpler life and we have decided to move her into a senior living and sell the house. We’re terrified of losing money, but we have put a lot of money updating this house and that can be deducted right? Now I’m thinking we need to wait? Oh my gosh like I need more stress. 😭😭😭
If you go to IRS.gov website, find Publication 523 it details how capital gains are calculated and even provides a worksheet. It's very helpful.
The combined knowledge of this community is incredible!
I know!! And I love how we all help each other ❤️
And that's the MAIN REASON I still read C & C blog every chance that I get!
May we ALWAYS commiserate and pray for one another - because the EVIL never stops!!
Seriously, it is such a Blessing!! I am currently in tears for a good reason for a change!
Amen!
We're here for the comments TOO!!!
IRS, making sure they get their cut, and more, even making it easy to calculate how much they will take.
Not critical of Cheryl's comment, or of Susan trying her best to do what is right for her Mom and family. Just critical of government searching for every penny they can while good Americans try to be obedient to law and order.
Go MTG!
So the government, running rogue with the Fed Reserve, prints fiat currency creating massive inflation.
There's not a single 'senior' person/couple who could afford to purchase the house they live in today if their current income was the criteria.
But, the IRS is always there to show up and scoop up all the inflation they created and leave the entire family financially devastated.
Additionally, once seniors do sell (normally due to Immunosenescence, aka: Immune system ageing out) they end up in a care facility.
Statistics show that the time remaining averages out somewhere between 6 and 18 months.
So, thank you government for supporting seniors by abusing them one final time.
This is two parts of the wealth confiscation scam. The third is poisoning you into expensive medical treatments that drain whatever is left.
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https://www.irs.gov/publications/p523
This is a very helpful link for SS right now. Thank you!
Thank you so much!! I will check that out!
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After two years from closing there’s a $500K deduction per couple or a $250K single deduction from the difference between the two sales. You also can deduct real estate commissions and upgrades provided you have receipts from that number.
You need a good CPA. They know all this stuff AND they deal with the IRS so you don't have to. The IRS doesn't normally mess with something submitted by a CPA. They are worth the price
It really bugs me that in order not to get screwed on our taxes, we have to pay for someone to help. I’ve got nothing against CPAs and their expertise. But the fact of the matter is, we HAVE to pay taxes and yet if we want to make sure we are paying the smallest amount possible and not getting into trouble (even though I know it’s possible with a CPA but probably less likely), we need to pay for outside help. The principle of the thing just galls me to no end.
me to! I will second that.
Every damn year: $600+
One of my favorite bills to pay is to my tax accountant every year! I drop off a pile of documents and receipts, etc., and voila, I have my taxes done! He is totally worth it. That said, I’m still for a flat tax and being done with it.
Every year from January through March I wait and ponder, did I receive everything from my broker? then, go through the folder and my checklist, ask the wifey if she accumulated all the charity proof info? make appt with the CPA, drop it off, pay the big bills to Minn & IRS, and darkly consider how much I hate this process every damn year.
But yes, glad I don't have to make the calculations and consider all the details. Heck though, after putting it ALL together I was not that far away from doing the job myself.
I think I need a new accountant. It costs me extra fees if I drop everything off in a pile for them to sort out for me. I have to deliver it organized and it’s tedious beyond words. As it is I pay $1,000/year and we can’t afford that anymore. But the guy I was paying $275/year to left me unprotected when the IRS broke their own laws about medical deductions and special education expenses. The law was on our side but only if we could afford a tax attorney to defend us. I thought I had to pay in the $1,000/year range for a different accountant to be assured we’d have proper defense if and when that nonsense ever happens again. We haven’t filed our taxes in five years now because we can’t afford to pay the accountant and I don’t want to make any mistakes on our own. I hate this whole thing.
Carol, I think that is ckming, thr flat tax.
That sounds better than what I go through every year! 🤣
I agree, RL, but years ago I read that the IRS is less likely to audit a return prepared by a CPA. (And I didn't read that in a CPA trade publication.) We had the same CPA for 34 years of our 36 years in practice--the last 2 years he had retired and his employee took the reins.) He did our personal and corporate taxes and we never heard a peep from the IRS, except one time when we overpaid on a 941 and they sent a polite note informing us that was a finable offense, so be careful.
Our CPA was aggressive, and knew the tax laws--updated to the day. We saved hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years--all by the code, and completely legal. I might go so far to say his advice helped fund our retirement which we are very much now enjoying.
so you overpay and the SOB IRS has the audacity to say that is a finable offense. 2 words for them and it ain't Happy Birthday.
That’s exactly my point. Why should we have to pay someone to do our taxes to protect ourselves and to owe the least amount of money legally possible? It’s a racket. If it’s a legal obligation to pay taxes then the process needs to be made simple enough that anyone can do it and not be disadvantaged.
We have been paying an accountant for years to do our personal taxes, mostly because he said he loves nothing more than tangling with the IRS.
That's what you need against the confiscators. A financial pugilist!
I completely agree. Sadly, there is too much middleman money involved. I believe that there must be come compensation for the agents who bring in funds. I live by an honor code, but what I know for sure is that corruption is so ingrained now that the average person just shrugs when they hear of something new. Graft and corruption is expected and finding that someone is honorable is the exception. I know what it will take to, maybe, sort it out. That's not a good thing either- and might not work. There is no good end to this.
C. What the Democrat, Progressive, Leftists don't understand is, it's the fact that the corruption (and grift) is so ingrained now that the average person just shrugs when they hear something new, this fact is the momentum behind DOGE and the removal of whole departments (like the Dept of Education). We, the Conservative Right Republicans (and others) have been abused and ignored for so long that now that we have people like Musk and President Trump advocating for us, we are screaming HELL YES! BURN IT DOWN!
I agree. I hear that nonsense about entire countries would collapse. What? Because a bunch of perverts were thinking with the little head? Sorry to be so blunt, but I don't care to protect anyone who is dishonorable. The world would keep spinning. Time to start shunning evil and removing them from power. Make the fines/sanctions suitable. Eliminate the cancers.
Yes it is definitely a very complicated issue to resolve. Too many vested interests 😕
I don't think it's too complicated.
People like to have their bad behavior hidden. Bring it to light, and let the chips fall where they may. If it gets ugly for a while, well, so be it. What is being done to innocent young women, girls and boys is ugly as well, and must be stopped.
And didn’t they take away our ability to deduct the tax prep fees, which includes the accountant costs?
I don't know about that. For me it is a business expense
Yes, the tax code is too complicated if I have to pay someone to help me
I agree. There have been proposals to simplify that seem to go nowhere. IN the meantime, we had to play the cards we had.
Agreed. I had to pay 2K at end of year and my CPA charged $750 for a simple tax filing. Piss me off to no end. That is in addition to having to pay $4k quarterly for taxes sent directly to IRS. I should consider becoming a bum.
We had our taxes done once by a CPA and learned a lot from him. We've been doing our own ever since and rarely end upg having to pay Uncle Sam.
If only that were true, my husband and I would have $150,000 more in our savings. We got raped by the IRS and our CPA couldn't get them to see otherwise.
The IRS has way too much power. And the tax laws are far too complex and convoluted. IRS agents will often give different answers to the same question, so if THEY don’t even know, how can the rest of us be expected to?? 😡
The IRS has always been "illegal", and one thing Trump is doing is replacing the IRS with the ERS, External Revenue Service. It's his backdoor way of abolishing "income taxes", but it takes longer. We already have a start with the no tax on tips, overtime, and social security. And property taxes are the most egregious of all.
Income tax as written is a tax on our life, our time, through our job wages. It makes us slaves to the government. Of course we need to pay in to have services, but it should be on unearned income, not the sweat of our brow. If more people were free of wage tax, they could HAVE unearned income.
If it weren’t for our property taxes, we would have already paid off our home and be in a much stronger financial position heading into retirement and had enjoyed more of our net take home pay to save. Instead, we sit here at age 60 still owing 1/3 of our home’s value because over the past 20 years we paid almost $250,000 just in real estate taxes alone. They took what could have been our freedom. How can that be ok?? It’s not like our city has a rich and elaborate downtown or any kind of extra services or bells and whistles. It mostly goes to a wretched school district that hurt our kids.
My husband has his CPA license, and once during an audit the agent wanted to refuse one of his deductions citing page so and so, paragraph this or that, to which my husband replied, “But look at page ___, paragraph ___.” Both sections of the tax code referred to the same situation but gave different answers. It had to go higher in the chain, but my husband eventually won. Pretty sure the agent was shocked my hubs had read the tax code.
My hubby called the IRS with a tax question... got an "answer." Copied the convo. Called every day for five days and got 5 different answers! Talked to three tax attorneys, same same. So, he decided to use the one answer that was the least "offensive." That was 25 years ago. I am convinced any of those answers would have worked, we would have simply paid more...
The IRS needs to be eliminated and replaced by what is rational, bearable and using common sense.
Agree.
It's also an illegal corporation chartered in Puerto Rico. Like the FBI.
What a shame. We are held hostage by the bureaucracy.
C. Such a true, insightful and infuriating statement!
And the bureaucracy appears to be held hostage by Israel and Mossad.
That is sickening. I’m so sorry that happened to you
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I agree :/
She won’t necessarily have to pay:
https://www.thrivent.com/insights/taxes/how-to-avoid-or-reduce-capital-gains-tax-on-real-estate-a-guide-for-homeowners
Thank you I will check that out!
Have a Lady Bird deed in hand too.
That's only applicable in Texas.
also in Florida.
If her gain is less than $250,000, then you don't need to worry about it.
And it is $500k gain exclusion for a married couple I believe.
I am a tax accountant. And yes the exemption is $250,000 for a single person and $500,000 for a married couple. To calculate the gain you would take the amount paid for it (base price) and add to that base the cost of any improvements that have been made while owning the home. Here’s an example:
Purchase price: $100,000
Improvements made $50,000
Base price: $150,000
Sale price $400,000
Gain: $250,000
Exemption $250,000 or $500,000
The capital gain falls under the exemption so it is not taxable.
In all my years as a tax accountant, I have never had a client who had to pay capital gains on the sale of their personal residence. Improvements can be just about anything. New shrubbery, paint, new kitchen, flooring, an addition, etc. It’s easy to come up with enough items through the years to skirt the capital gains tax. There is a place on the tax return where you can report the sale and all the improvements but in practice we never once reported the sale. We just documented in their file the information in case they were ever audited. Hope this helps.
Thank you, this has helped me back away from the cliff!! Fortunately their house hadn't been updated since it was built in 1984 .. so they have put a lot of money into it. Also I am reading you have 2 years to deduct a deceased owner so they may qualify for two even though my Dad passed away last fall.
LOL!! Sorry to hear about losing your father, but glad you did not take the leap...
It really is not that bad... 99% of the fall is actually sort of enjoyable... only the last part can suck.
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Thank you for clarifying this because I think most people don't know how capital gains, regarding homestead sales, works. It's also very important people understand how important it is to keep home improvement records because almost all costs are deductible.
I'm all on board for no tax on capital gains but I think the people who will benefit the most from such a bill are not in the middle class category. Grandma may have paid $30k for her house 50 yrs ago but one of two things most likely happened. One, she kept the house updated over the years for which she has records and her NET gain ends up being <$250k, OR her house is a time capsule and needs $100k+ in updates. To complicate it further, if the time capsule house is located in an area that won't support that kind of total investment, it won't sell. I see this a lot as someone currently in the market as a potential buyer. And, property taxes are now a huge factor as well. If anyone wants to be enraged about gains taxes, it should be about property taxes.
Agree, and I would say the bigger more pressing issue for every American, no matter which state they are living in (unless their state does not have a property tax), is the RICO scam governments unconstitutionally use to PERPETUALLY tax the private property where you live, eat, sleep but do no business.
I am sooo praying for property tax relief. Retired peeps can’t afford the raises in property values!! Taxation without representation 👎
We bought our home in 1990, and have numerous files of all the improvements made over the years. In the midwest, home values are not as insane as on the coasts, despite rapid appreciation in the last 5 years. If I were to pull all those files, add up what we have spent, I am not sure we would even have a profit at all.
However, the vast majority of these files are on paper - guess I should scan and save to the cloud in case of a disaster that destroys all this paper....
We’re in central New York, and the same is true for us. We do keep most receipts and if we added them up would probably be shocked to see how much we’ve spent over the years—significantly more than our house is worth.
So do you have to have receipts for your home improvements? Having lived in a house for decades, plenty of improvements have been made including paint, flooring, landscaping, fixtures, lighting, etc. But to prove it with actual receipts, that is another matter.
Yup, the documentation of expenses presents a problem. I physically built our house 30 years ago and do not have record of materials. On top of that how do you show your time for labor if there was never a bill? GO MTG!
And those receipts fade away over time if they are the register produced receipts. If you are serious about keeping records they need to be scanned or photographed to survive.
Don’t forget new roofs, furnaces, hot water heaters, air conditioners, etc. Anything that stays with the house at sale.
Thanks for the detailed explanation - I wondered why my hubby and I never paid capital gains on the "gains" we had from the sale of our various homes during our lifetimes.
Muchas gracias, Beth!!
Beth, we have done many improvements over the 42 years we have owned our house, including 2 new decks, 2 kitchen remodels, roof, landscaping, new driveway, but do we need receipts for everything?
That's what I'm wondering! Keep every receipt for 40 or more years? Who does that? That's a pretty big file cabinet. Another way the government can steal your money.
We recently sold our Florida home for $475,ooo, so no taxes due and we didn't have to mess with home improvement paperwork. But our accountant still charged us $150 to file a form. Kinda ticked me off.
But wouldn’t that require that you still have all the receipts from the improvements from the past 10, 20, 30 years? Most my receipts from back then are now faded and life was too hectic during most of it to have thought of scanning anything into my computer. Not to mention I’ve gone through several computers and hard drives since. Ive lost files during all that. Even today I rarely have time to scan things in and only half my purchases have a digital email receipt - which is also tedious to find and sort out if my emails later. Organizing all my receipts over the years just for proving our medical expenses was so time consuming an army of ten men would still need a few months to properly organize and document it all. And when I did a really good job with it, the IRS didn’t like how I chose to do it and took ALL our deductions away (even our mortgage interest and RE taxes,) unless I came back with the medical organized to the agent’s liking. She obviously never had 28 doctor appointments a month for several years for three children with disabilities. Her way was impossible with how the clinic statements and payment receipts and payment accounts don’t ever line up. I had no more patience or time to do more and they had everything they needed if they were so sure we cheated. I gave them ALL our bank accounts and statements and all our medical receipts. It was all there if they were so certain it was wrong. But they didn’t want to take the time to prove their b.s. (we actually under estimated the deductions.) We ended up paying over $7,000 to a tax attorney to get them off our backs and still lost a few thousand dollars when I gave up because I could not organize receipts as a full time job, and so had to walk away from the last fight.
I can’t imagine the tedious requirements to prove our home improvements over the past two decades.
I am a realtor. Cost of sale is also a write off, and there should be a stepped up basis on the home at time of death of spouse. It’s still a great idea from MTG. The real estate market would start moving and the , flooring, drapes, landscape, moving companies, furniture companies would all benefit. There is huge tickle down when real estate is on the move. Capital gains and interest rates are clogging the system.
Thank you for clarifying this. I was reading the comments and being frustrated a bit that people don’t understand this. We’ve bought and sold 2 houses and never paid capital gains tax. While I am all for abolishing the taxes this move by MTG isn’t going to effect the average Joe.
Do you do returns in AZ?
Yet another penalty to widows/widowers. The world, yet again being unkind to widows/widowers. We don’t choose to be single.
I just joined that group 33 months ago but hopefully will not have to deal with home taxes by the time I have to down size and move in 5 to 10 years!
Indeed 😞
You have to have lived in the home and it has to be your primary residence for at least two years.
2 years out of the previous 5, I believe.
Yes it is 500 married.
It stated in the article, if the home is sold within 2 years of a spouse dying, the deduction is $500,000.
Yes, I read that too! Yay 😃
Assuming she was on the title, she also will have gotten a full or partial step up in basis to the FMV at your dad's death.
This is exactly why we sold my mom’s house in the year my dad died. To get the 500k. She is living happily in her “luxury all-inclusive independent living resort”
I am hoping my Mom will live happily in the independent living resort too! 😄
Glad your Mom is!!
It is expected to be higher. Housing market has skyrocketed.
Okay, but her taxes will get paid out of her proceeds and hopefully she'll have enough left over to put a really nice down payment on something else. I know in certain markets the United States this is very difficult. Good luck with everything!
Thank you SO much!!!
No tax advice here - just sending hugs. My parents sold their home in 2004 and dad became a caretaker of a property that included a small home that they lived in in exchange for his services for free. When he passed in 2014, mom moved to an apartment. She fought moving to assisted living tooth and nail in 2023 when a leg issue rendered her unable to live on her own. I stayed with her and hired (unreliable) home care for 6 months as she needed 'more time' to recover. Brought in my sisters from out of town and we presented a united front that it was 'time's up'. Best thing that ever happened to her - she has made new friends (vs being basically a shut in), is happier, is eating better and has an electric wheelchair she uses when leaving her apartment, has a walker to move around short distances. She is 5 min from my front door vs 30 minutes before, and has a call button on her wrist that can summon help in minutes - the place is not cheap, but the people really seem to care, and has given me so much peace of mind. But it was an overwhelming process in the beginning and still have a lot of tubs of stuff in both my garage and in her closet that she says she will 'go through one of these days'. Just here to say it does get better.
My then 94 year old mom who lived 2 hours away uttered the words (at the end of Covid lockdowns and a couple of bad back episodes that ran up her BP and blood sugars resulting in ER runs and hospitalizations) “I guess I’m just scared and lonely.”—two words I had never heard come from her mouth and never want to hear again. 2 1/2 weeks later I had her on a walkthrough of a retirement center (7 minutes from my back door) that resulted in her signing the contract on the spot. I had told her we wouldn’t sell her house, and if she wasn’t happy after a month she could move back. A month later she told me to sell the house. 2 years later she has a busier schedule than I do! She tells me she wakes up every morning feeling great. Yes, it’s expensive, but when she added up taxes, insurance, yard workers, maintenance and repairs, food, etc. (her house was paid for), it costs no more to be in the retirement center and she doesn’t have the headache of having strangers in her home and being alone. Plus at 96 she’s a fun, active, vibrant super senior that everyone wants to “grow up to be like.” And she hasn’t been to the ER or hospital!
True, socialization is a huge plus! She put me in charge of finances after dad died and I was paying her bills before and now only checks I have to write are rent, cell phone and her newspaper subscription. She does eat in her room occasionally so I buy her a few groceries, paper products, etc and I total receipts and we settle up every couple of months. And not paying for home care aides which actually made staying in her regular apartment more expensive than her AL place Mom is an introvert, she does not take advantage of very many of the activities but she has her dining room buddies and goes to the church service and an occasional Friday happy hour.
I had the exact opposite experience with relatives. I can't tell you the documented horrors including pictures I still have and that I witnessed in these places. These were not nursing homes either but assisted living.
Yes, you have to vet carefully - she was in a NH for rehab on the leg issue in late 2022 and it was horrible. Came home in no better shape than she went in and pretty sure they were drugging her. But her current place is good - I am there 2-3 times a week - I do her shopping and laundry and come for lunch or Sunday brunch on occasion. Know all the staff on a first name basis (no temps) and a friend was a lead nurse there until she got promoted to director at another one of their locations - she started working there as there was no shot mandate for either the staff or the residents. And mom, who was always very passive and let dad take care of everything now goes to the monthly 'resident town halls' they host and brings up any complaints herself. (instead of complaining to me) and they do make some of the changes, although some are due to regulatory issues, like letting her have a toaster was a 'no' due to fire codes.
The secret to getting good care for your parents is what you are doing, visiting 2-3 times per week. Go on different days and times if you can. My mother worked at a nursing home and said this is the thing to do.
Yes, I have an '24/7 access' fob so can and do drop in randomly, and have the director's cell phone, which I have only had to use a couple of times.
It gives my heart great joy to know your mom is in an exceeded expectations facility. It is vitally important as she is the person you have known the longest in your whole life and who has been a blessing to you since you were born. Give her a hug from me next time you visit her please as it would mean so much to me.
Even with vetting, in our family and friends' cases, it still was not enough. Family would go at odd hours when they were not expected and would see people that did look like they were drugged up sitting in wheelchairs, staff yelling at a resident , offering old food and even one time found a resident on the floor after falling from her wheelchair. She said she was there for 40 minutes bc no one came and she was yelling for someone (this was a smaller assisted living) and she did not have a medi alert. We have all heard these stories.
Our parents and grandparents are precious and not to be treated like refuse by anyone. Again, I am so happy your Mom is doing well Donna. God bless her.
100% agree with your post Lori, well said!
Wow that's horrible, sounds like the rehab place she was in back in 2022. My mom's place has a goal of responding to any call within 5 minutes and for the most part they are pretty good at sticking to that, although they may be in the middle of changing her sheets or some other task and have to run to another call, and she sometimes has to buzz them to come back and finish the job when they forget. She could not live with us - she can't do stairs and we live in a split level home with stairs everywhere. Most of her old friends had died or moved closer to kids/another AL facility so at least there she has made new friends and has a social life. And the food is actually really good, and she is very picky. But I will pass on the hug from you!!
So glad that you found a great place for your mom and that she’s doing well ❤️
She sat in her room and sulked for about the first 6 weeks and was determined to hate it. But staff eventually coaxed her into coming to the dining room for meals and a few of the activities and once she started making friends it got better. She's never admitted it to me or my sisters as we 'forced her out' but family who visit note how much more self sufficient and positive she is vs before when complaining was 90% of the conversation.
Haha Donna, my mom is still sulking. Says everyone there is old. My siblings and I look at each other and think, who’s gonna tell her?! 👀 😂 lol
My mom is 86 - most of them are in their 80's, with a few in the 90's and a few in the 70's. My grandma had that same complaint - it's all old people here - when a stroke in her late 70's left her unable to drive and needing help with dressing and such. This was before home health was common and she lived in a very small town, so had to go to 'a home'.
LOL
I’ve heard the same from several people. The adjustment is hard but they should be enjoying life! Ohh the complaining 🤦🏼♀️ I hope my Mom’s lessens too 😅
Haha! well, have had lunch with her and some of her friends and they complain to EACH OTHER! She can give me the rundown on her lunch bunch's aches, pains, that one nurse that gives Jane a hard time and what family squabbles Mary is having this week. Oh and the onion rings were cold on Tuesday....and I heard that new woman that moved into #102 gets liquor snuck into her room! At the very least, helps take their minds off their own issues and can say...well at least I don't have that....
She does have a legit beef that some of the residents do have one foot in the dementia wing, and it IS hard to have conversations with them.
Good on ya, Donna.
Typically when one owner, usually a spouse, dies the property gets a “stepped up basis” allowing the property’s value to step up to the current market value. Then if the property is sold very little if any cap gain. Check it out.
We are meeting with a realtor in a couple hours, so I am already stressed over making this decision.
Lord work out the logistics for this family. In Jesus’s name. And peace for dear Susan. 🙏💖
Thank you SO much!! 💗
Your mom can add $250,000 to her purchased price , but then you can add the remodel costs ( mostly) - after that the difference in price from selling has a capital gains taxes
Always check with an accountant
Lady Bird deeds are something people should have as well with older parents. It really makes things so much simpler as far as the estate.
Only for Texas properties
Florida too. I have one.
You're correct. Florida, Texas, Michigan, Vermont and W Virginia. I was wrong. I only knew about the Texas one previously. Thanks for letting me know.
We are all brainstorming here for the betterment of all of us!!
You can take out a 2nd mortgage then rent the home to cover both payments or do 1031 exchange for a smaller single family home deferring the capital gains tax. There is a new loan option that allows people to withdraw equity from a home without making payments on that money as well. Talk to a real estate attorney who can advise you on the specifics of your situation. Just know that it’s very unlikely that you can simply sell the house and use the proceeds to fund your Moms next phase of life, It’s likely going to be more complicated then that, but doable with the right council.
It shouldn’t have to be so complicated 😕 It’s already so hard to be in this situation with an elderly parent and this just adds to it. Typical government 😡
There is a company called 'True Hold' that advertises like crazy on the talk radio stations here. Basically, they buy your home, give you the money, and then you rent from them. ("as long as you like!" "we take care of the maintenance, taxes and upkeep" and "you don't have to move") Seems very scammy to me taking advantage of strapped seniors and one more home out of the 'available to purchase' pool as we will "own nothing and be happy". Locally, property taxes have gone through the roof - which is why our county had 26K residential properties with delinquent taxes as of Feb. Vultures are circling.
Your mom gets a "step up in basis" to FMV on the date of death of your dad. Depends on the state the house is in. If the house is in a community law state then it is a full step up in basis...meaning the gain is selling price minus the FMV of the house in September. Your mom gets a capital gain exclusion of $250,000. (I am assuming your parents lived there for several years.). As long as the gain is less than $250,000 there is no tax. The other states she still gets half of the step up (your dad's half). So ..Basis in the house calculation.....take the original purchase price + renovations prior to your dad's death, and allocate half to your mom. All renovations after your dad's death is also added to the basis. Then add half of the FMV of the house on the date of your dad's death (use similar houses in the area that sold in September to estimate FMV). Now you have the basis. Selling price minus basis = gain. Your mom has $250,000 exemption on the gain.
I think I was somehow adding in the fact they don’t owe on their house and that was going to be the issue. 😅 this info makes it look much better. Thank you!!
This proposed bill would benefit me tremendously as we are truly blessed to have lived in prime So Cal coastal real estate for twenty-five years. Our capital gains are huge. We've also refrained from borrowing against it so our equity is huge too. But Jeff Childers' description is over simplified and omits important context.
First off, there's a $500k exemption for married couples right off the bat. So none of that capital gains tax applies unless it's higher than that. Second, it's a tax on capital gains, not on equity. That's the difference between what you paid, plus improvements that you can prove, versus the selling proceeds. So it doesn't kick in unless people own a pretty expensive home to begin with, and have lived there long enough for it to have appreciated at least $500k.
The only way people end up owing more taxes than their equity is if they live recklessly and repeatedly borrow against their home. No one should be doing this in the first place as it's financially irresponsible and destructive. Listen to Dave Ramsey's callers and you'll see where this type of behavior leads people. So removing this tax incentivizes more really awful behavior.
I despise taxes as much as anyone else, but simply giving relatively wealthy people a windfall like this with no strings is bad policy. If you have enough capital gains to worry about this then it's de-facto evidence you are doing pretty well. If we are going to change tax law to give people (like me!!) more money, then it should be done in a way that helps future generations. Giving retirees more money to blow on Mediterranean cruises, fall for romance scams, or squirrel away like misers for twenty years helps no one.
I don't know the answer but I like the idea that the exemption is indexed for home price inflation. Also, if a spouse passes away, the surviving spouse should retain the full exemption. Next, these taxes go away provided some portion of the savings goes to either 1) helping ones children buy a home or 2) funding a child or grandchild's education. Then it's not just a giveaway to people who probably have plenty already, but an incentive for them to be generous when people can use it.
I can’t even begin to explain how annoying your post is to me. ‘Simply giving wealthy people a windfall…’ ‘if you have enough to worry about capital Gains you are doing pretty well…’. So? I earned it. I paid taxes all along on all the monies I used to pay off my mortgages. You think ‘he has too much. We should be able to take it from him.’
You don’t know my situation. I might need extra care as I age as I am a VImp (visually impaired). I might have a handicapped son who will need looking after for the next forty years. But take my hard earned money. 50-60 hour weeks for a couple of decades. Huge risk taking. Because it worked, I don’t deserve it, right?
How about this. LAY OFF OTHER PEOPLE’S THINGS.
Yea and the cruise comment? I earned my money, I’ve paid all my taxes, I’ve lived reasonably modestly, in my retirement, if I want to take a dang cruise, that’s my right. Freedom says I can spend my money as I see fit.
You peeg dog capitalist!! You don’t deserve a cruise! I deserve a cruise. If you get to go then you should have to take me with you, for free.
Yes, you are a Libertarian, I get it.
I admire the chutzpah it takes to adhere to a political philosophy that turns greed, selfishness, and hedonism into virtues. It turns 2000 years of Christian morality upside down. That's some heavy duty rationalization.
Here's the thing William, you wouldn't give two hoots about what I said unless it struck a guilty cord within you. It's called cognitive dissonance, you might want to look into it.
I have to say that I live on a modest retirement and your comment offended me...it sounded like you are a socialist…take from the rich to give to the poor. You decide what they do with their money that they earned. That is not a Christian teaching … we called to be charitible and that is between the person and God. It is none of your business. Jeff had a prefect example today by asking for people to donate and end in 2. He didn’t say those of you who are paid member can afford more, you need to contribute over $102. Those who get it for free, $2 is fine.
He is not a Christian. Liberal atheist most likely. Taking a page from ‘Rules for Radicals’, toss their philosophy back at them. Use it against them.
I give way more than you. I am sure. As my business needs eased off I worked for free helping people about 25 hours a week. Another 25 taking care of work. My wife volunteered about 25 hours a week. I am not a Libertarian. Not a shred of guilt or cognitive dissonance. I just seriously dislike thieves. And you are one.
How am I a thief numb nuts? I've taken nothing from you or anyone else. What a foolish low-IQ response. Seriously, words actually mean things, you don't get to define them.
Hey dufus, a home is an INVESTMENT. Earnings on investments are subject to capital gains taxes. That's how it works. You already have a $500k exemption that other investments don't have. You have that because the government is already using the tax code to social engineer and encourage home ownership. You knew the rules when you bought the house, or at least you should have.
I'd have over $1M in capital gains on my own house if I sold it today. I'd love to pocket that money, but that's not how the law works. Why do you get some special exception just because you work hard? News flash for you, lots of people work hard, and a lot harder than you. You aren't anything special.
The entitlement on here is something to behold. You are no different from the people you look down on, wanting something for nothing. Why is your INVESTMENT untouchable when no one else's is? Like it or not taxes are a fact of life. Yes they are way to high and often wasted, we agree on that. But why are you exempt from investment taxes when no one else is? You have no answer for that.
Like I said, you have elevated selfishness, greed, and hedonism to a political philosophy.
It was your attitude I was commenting on.
So by your logic if you are fortunate enough to have more than the $500K in home equity, you are relatively wealthy and must pay money to the federal govt? Because they will certainly put it to better use than you would.... Really?
It's the homeowners money and the govt has no reason to take it.
Another really foolish response. A slogan masquerading as some deep insight.
A principle home is an investment, just like stocks, bonds, rental real estate, crypto, or whatever. Investments are subject to capital gains taxes and have been since we have had a tax code.
You already have a $500k exemption that none of those other investments have. But that's not good enough, you insist for some unstated reason that you should be subject to zero taxes. Why? What makes you so special?
Short answer is that nothing makes you special. You want an exemption that just applies to your group that other people don't get. That's no different from every other interest group feeding at the public trough. You think you shouldn't have to pay taxes on your investment income simply because you are old.
I hate taxes as much as anyone and despise how the money is wasted. But something has to pay for government. Your answer is that it you should be exempt from it. Your investment earnings are off the table, let they guy who made money in the stock market pay them instead. Let him pay for the fire department and military. How dare someone expect you to pay taxes on your investment earnings.
If you made an philosophical argument against *any* investment taxes then at least you would be intellectually consistent, albeit delusional. But you can't even be bothered to do that. Your little pile of money should be exempt, because of some stupid slogan with zero intellectual rigor behind it.
This is *exactly* why people cannot stand Boomers or people who think like them (and I'm a borderline boomer born in 1961). You act as if you are something special and have made greed your God. Boomers would rather blow $20k on a Mediterranean cruise (it's my money dammit!!) than use it to get your own grandkids, your own flesh and blood, out of some shithole school.
An awful lot of people are going to be really lonely abandoned in nursing homes in another decade or two.
First off, starting a comment with "so by your logic" is bad faith as you are putting words in my mouth I didn't say. You create a straw man and then argue against it.
My comment was thoughtful and well-reasoned, and I explain the specific rationale for my observations. Instead of telling me how my conclusions are wrong, you mouth off.
Yes, really.
Edit: Noting that the capital gains tax is not something the government invented just for homeowners, but applies to any investment. And a home is an investment, whether you care to admit that or not. There's already an exemption that homeowners get that doesn't apply to other investments, as the tax code recognizes principle home ownership is good for society. As I made clear in my comment, I think that exemption should increase over time to account for inflation.
These low IQ responses (and they are low IQ as they are pure emotion with no rational thought or knowledge behind them) are ridiculous. People have lost the ability to persuasively make their point and just shoot their mouths off in the heat of the moment.
It's ironic as comments like this demonstrate such poor self-control, it's unlikely people even have the discipline to acquire $500k in capital gains in the first place.
It's also not okay that the feds think they own a percentage of anything of mine that has increased in value, so their 'generosity' in 'allowing' me to keep a bit more from the sale of MY HOME isn't really comforting.
Said the self righteous author of multiple 100+ word posts stating anyone who disagrees is "low IQ" ...and that capital gains tax is virtuous somehow... good grief...
Exactly… he has shown who he is, believe him.
He called me ‘numb nuts’. But thoughtfully and reasonably. Because he is nice. We aren’t.
You called me a thief first (your exact words). I'm not "nice" to people who call me names but give it right back to them. Surprise, surprise, they don't like it.
You've gotten so used to bullying people that when they give it back to you it shocks your sensibilities. I do that for a reason. Maybe next time you won't start calling people names first.
I am a little late in responding, but I, also, take offense at your post. You state: "The only way people end up owing more taxes than their equity is if they live recklessly and repeatedly borrow against their home. No one should be doing this in the first place as it's financially irresponsible and destructive." My wife and I are in our 70s, have no dependents, worked (obviously) and saved religiously until our retirement. At which point our best investment was an expensive property, against which we "repeatedly borrow" (it's called "Living Expenses"}
I very much resent being told that we "live recklessly" and our way of life is "financially irresponsible and destructive".
Insulting those who choose to live life differently from you is, as you say "shooting your mouth off".
No matter how much money someone has it’s NOT your money or your business.
As a 70 something that worked from the age of 14 and, YES, squirreled away money, I resent your attitude that what is left of MY MONEY isn’t for MY pleasure. I do not buy $200 sneakers, $1,500 spy phones, a new BMW every 3 years and order daily from Amazon or Door Dash. I was brought up to reuse, recycle and renovate before the Green Goblins made it a mantra. I watched newly minted college grads get sales jobs at the corporation I worked for come in late, leave at 11 for a 3 hour “lunch”, check email and leave the office at 3 to “beat the traffic”. The lack of work ethic in this group, beginning in the mid 80’s, was astounding. The continued entitlement attitude of this crop of baby boomer offspring makes me sad and pessimistic for the health of our wonderful country.
Thanks for this perspective!
Thanks RL. I often try to get people to look at things a little differently as understanding nuance is a good thing. People with an agenda (and I don't mean Jeff Childers here but generally) often omit relevant nuance as part of their propaganda. It's important to look at things from all sides, and there is more to this than what's being stated.
I don't expect them to agree with me, but just ask that they consider things with an open mind. If I were to sell my house today I'd have over $1M in capital gains so I'm bringing these points up against my own financial interests.
Yet instead they get all mad and emotional, and their brains immediately shut down. Instead of explaining where I made an error in my logic, they throw invective. (I usually throw it back once they start it to give them a taste of their own medicine, but try not to do it first.) None of this bodes well for the future, as we are quickly losing the ability to think critically.
The ironic part is that most people probably don't even understand how any of this works. It's mostly just an emotional response.
I appreciate hearing different points of view, sometimes there are aspects I haven’t thought of, or didn’t know about, and it may or may not change my overall opinion, but it’s good to bring in nuance and relevant information for a more well rounded view.
Emotional response Jeff C. Like calling people rude names when they disagree with you.
10% (tithe) was enough in the beginning, and there was a complete 'reset' every 50 years. Greed is a human nature, government is made from humans. Unfortunately greed has taken on advanced and complicated means to take from some to give to others.
Do you ever listen (read) to yourself? You're an exhausting blowhard.
What if we want to leave more of our own earnings for our children, instead of wasting money as you suggest we will? Are we allowed to do that, in your world?
Hi Jeff C. As a Christian and listener of Dave Ramsey I’m curious what leads you to believe that removing a tax exemption would be destructive or financially irresponsible? I’m failing to make the connection. I pay my taxes to Caesar (Mark 12) and am looking to leave an inheritance to my children and grandchildren (Proverbs 13) so what is it about removing this tax that would be bad/ wrong? Thanks for your thoughts.
P.S. Yes I own my own home and will have over 500 in cap gains, mainly due to the length of time lived in home ( bought in early 2000’s) and the Covid bump. am in my late 50’s so selling will be in 5-10 years to downsize . We’re in a suburb of working class homes loads of repairs & upgrades to home but it will be close trying to reach less than 500k due to comps.
Thanks for the thoughtful question, I didn't explain that very well.
I was just making the point that one of the brakes on borrowing lots of money against one's home is that people can end up owing more capital gains taxes than their equity. If one borrows money to improve their home (such as an addition) then they aren't penalized on that as it offsets capital gains. But if they borrow it to buy RV's, boats, and other toys that they can't afford, then it doesn't offset capital gains and they can get in real trouble.
I only brought it up as Jeff Childers used it as an example of why the capital gains tax should be removed. But he didn't explain the details I mention above. It's a terrible argument to say that we should change the tax code to protect irresponsible fools who blow their equity on nonsense. Instead we should discourage them from doing it in the first place.
My point is that for this to even come into play ones has to be a really irresponsible knucklehead, borrowing literally hundreds of thousands of dollars for stuff they can't afford. The last thing we should be doing is incentivizing this, and it's not a good reason to remove the tax. There may be other reasonable reasons for doing so, but this isn't one of them.
Very well said Jeff C. ❤️ I fully support this and also live in coastal CA
Great Post Jeff C! I can appreciate the thoughtfulness of thinking about the next generation.
I do take issue with the fact that 'giving relatively wealthy people a windfall' is a negative thing - anything that allows people to keep what they have earned is a plus in my book. I am against social engineering with tax policy and in my dream world we would have a flat tax that everyone paid. But I do 'get' the folly of borrowing against your home. I too used to listen to Dave (he is no longer on the air locally) and some of the situations people get themselves in give me an anxiety attack just listening, lol. We were 'Dave people' before Dave was cool, pay cash for cars, live on less than we make and so on. We read The Millionaire Next Door in the mid 90's and it made a big impression on us.
It seems like—from what I’m seeing in the comments—that older people who are single (often widows or widowers) looking to move/downsize are some of the “regular people” being hurt by these taxes. They only get 250000 as an exemption and in certain areas, I can see that becoming an issue.
Exactly what I have to do. I refuse to give the government and WA state a penny.
I'm confused...as a senior, we sold our primary residential home & purchased a smaller home with no tax on capital gains. As long as we purchased within one year of selling, we avoided those taxes. I understood that capital gains did not count if you repurchased. What am I missing?
True.
But not everyone repurchases. Older people may elect to move into assisted living and need the proceeds of their home sale to afford it.
The article explains capital gains. https://www.thrivent.com/insights/taxes/how-to-avoid-or-reduce-capital-gains-tax-on-real-estate-a-guide-for-homeowners
That law ended in 1994.
Are you referring to a 10-31 exchange? If still available, you can sell and reinvest into a like property at equal or higher value and bypass the tax. Tax deferred.
Not on a primary residence. 1031Exchanges are only eligible for investment properties
Good to know. Thank you.
I was told you have to spend the amount of capital gains on the new home in order to not be taxed on it.
That ended in 1994 when the $250k/$500k cap gains exemption started.
There is an exemption of $250,000 for singles and $500,000 for married for capital gains. So you take your original basis (purchase price) and add in any provable improvements and then the exemption as noted above and anything over that is what is considered taxable gains. Also, the requirement to purchase another home within any time frame, I believe, is no longer a requirement.
Yes, my mom is going to move into an independent senior living house for now and see how things go. She’s not planned to buy another house.
That’s what we did too
You likely did a 1031 exchange that defers capital gains if you buy a like property in a set time period. If you sell your current home and choose to cash out the proceeds you’d owe the capital gains you deferred from the first house and any capital gains due on the second home. If you never sell that house and die there is a whole new set of inheritance laws that now apply and I’m not sure what happens to the deferred capital gains tax.
A 1031 is only applicable on investment properties. Never on a primary residence.
I think you have to spend as much or more than your first home cost
Also a mortgage broker and CPA here. 62+ with lots of equity? Tap it with a reverse mortgage, proceeds are non-taxable.
Just curious. You buy a house for $100,000. Thirty years later you die and it is worth $2M. After 15 years you started a reverse mortgage such that you now owe $1.5 million. What is the taxable position of the estate?
I know an elderly widow lady who moved in with her daughter. She
owns a lovely beach home. She doesn’t rent it, use it or sell it. I guess because her home was bought 23 years ago and there would be significant capital gains. As I understand it, there are no capital gains if the daughter inherits her mother’s home.
Have them check into securing a Lady Bird deed. A lawyer or title company can do this.
What do you think the Real Estate market will do if the tax cut passes ?
Seems to me, it would take off like a rocket.
But if all of a sudden there's a glut of homes it would drive the prices down.
Up or down, what do you think ?
Thx for your attention to this matter.
I think it will depend on what happens with interest rates too.
The same. I am a Realtor and mostly retired - cannot afford to sell to buy another property because of capital gains taxes ( as are many of my clients )
I'm a CPA, and have been for over 40 years.
I can't recall ever having a client pay CG taxes on the sale of a principal residence, save one, nor any aging clients who had to stay in their homes because they couldn't afford to sell.
Just anecdote, and I know anecdote isn't a synonym for data, but this measure, if passed, will affect almost no one.
I have an older client (older than I, anyway!) who sold an expensive home in San Francisco in 2024 for $2.25M, but their basis was $1.5M so with the $500k exclusion they paid CG tax on just $250,000.
They are wealthy, and their situation is the exception not the rule. This measure will help no one in the lower, middle, or upper-middle classes. It's political posturing.
Mind you, I don't think the wealthy don't already pay their "fair share", but this measure is much ado about nothing.
You contradicted yourself. First you said that no client had ever had to pay Cap Gains then you gave the example of one who did.
I work predominantly with the elderly homeowners in California and this is a big concern for them.
I keep seeing people in the comments saying this isn’t really an issue for the vast majority of people but there seems to be a group (and not just the wealthy) for whom this *is* actually a significant problem 😕
My mama worked 60 - 70 hour weeks for 40 years to raise us kids and pay off her mortgage. She was very frugal, we did not take vacations, buy new cars, go out for dinner, etc. When she sold her house and property, she had to pay around $200K in capital gains tax. She is not wealthy and is concerned about making the money from the sale of her home last, especially if she needs extra care in her last years, as my grandmother did. My grandmother lived to over 100 years old and this is a significant concern for my mama. I get that the house and property were an investment; she would tell us that it was an investment and that is part of the reason she fought so hard to hang on to it after my father walked out (the other reason was keeping a roof over our heads). It just seems like one more bite of the apple, as she paid her income taxes and property taxes all those years, and now, when she needs the money for what could be another 25-30 years, the federal government and WA state took a huge chunk of it.
I suppose I am being emotional about it, but I saw her leave for work around 0530 every morning for her day job and return home after midnight from her second job. It just seems as though she is being punished for doing the right thing by working hard to stay off welfare, raise her kids to be productive, conscientious members of society. It just seems so wrong.
Just my 2 cents, which won't even buy penny candy anymore.
Mrs. "the Knife"
Thank you for sharing your mom's story. What an admirable lady she is!! Huge kudos to her for being such a hardworking and upstanding citizen, in addition to being a great mom who raised her kids well ❤️ Society has far too few like her nowadays, it seems 😕
It looks more and more to me (despite many comments here to the contrary) that this tax isn’t such a non-issue. It certainly seems to be hurting a lot of hardworking non wealthy people. I personally object to describing a primary residence as an investment. While it is technically correct, it is also so much more than that. Being able to have a roof over one’s head is important and being able to later use that “investment” to have more financial security in one’s later years shouldn’t be seen as some kind of privilege. And honestly, the government takes so much money for so many other things, can’t they leave people’s homes alone??
Thank you, RunningLogic, for your kind comment. With regards to treating one's primary residence as any other investment vehicle, you articulated my thoughts on the subject perfectly!
Mrs. "the Knife"
No contradiction.
I said "save one" and then I proceeded to provide the details of that one.
"I can't recall ever having a client pay CG taxes on the sale of a principal residence, save one..."
I wonder if it might be easier to remove the 250000/500000 exemption at a later date than pass a new law to reinstate this tax? If so, maybe eliminating this tax altogether provides greater future protection for the middle class homeowner against more people having to pay? Wasn’t the Biden administration trying to remove the exemption at some point? I have no idea if that has anything to do with this proposal, it’s just something that occurred to me as being a possibility 🤪
I wouldn't favor removing the exemption. I wouldn't mind it being expanded. I wouldn't mind CG taxes being repealed altogether.
My reason for commenting at all was to point out that this measure is much ado about nothing. That the GOP should be pushing initiatives that impact *more* people, not boutique issues that impact very few.
They should be spending their political capital wisely and broadly, not for generating big headlines that in reality are far bigger than the measures themselves.
Understood. I don’t disagree about things with more impact. But it could be that those higher impact changes (like removing the income tax) might be harder to enact than chipping away little by little (?).
It seems to me from the comments I’m seeing that this tax impacts widowed older people and by extension their children, disproportionately.
I guess I view it more as taking as much money away from the government as possible. The less they have and the smaller the government is, the better (up to a point, but we’re very far away from that point now so I’m not worried about reaching it).
As for the exemptions, I actually was wondering about possibly pre-empting Democrats from removing the exemption by removing the tax altogether. It seems like reinstating it would be harder than tinkering with something that already exists. I could be wrong though.
A Lady Bird Deed is crucial to have which makes things so much easier when our moms and dads go to Heaven.
Only for a property in Texas. Not all states
Florida, Michigan, Texas, Vermont, and West Virginia
Hi Cheryl, what about the capital gains exclusions of $250K for singles and $500 for married filing jointly? If your gain exceeds these amounts, you pay capital gains tax only on the excess. As long as you've owned and lived in the house as your primary residence for at least two of the past five years, you are eligible for this exclusion.
Yes, but the exclusion law changed in 2008, so every day that your home is rented since 2008, you have to pay capital gains taxes and 25% of the depreciation (whether it was deducted on your Schedule E or not) to the IRS. If you never rented it, then you might not have to pay it. That's why I send people to the IRS.gov website to get Publication 523 and recommend that they talk with a reputable tax advisor. Many people erroneously assume that because they lived in the home 2 years, rented it for three, then sold it and netted out less than the $250/500k they're scott-free from paying Capital Gains taxes.
Ah. Thank you. I don't rent out my home, so I never thought about it from an investment perspective.
The tax exemption drops in half??? Is this is a particular state? I am in Florida and was not aware of it.
It allows for $250,000 exclusion for a husband and $250,000 for a wife. With only one person ,the exclusion is simply $250,000
Any home sale which is used to fund another home of equal or lesser value is exempt. Correct? So this would apply to a sale that did not preceed a new higher value purchase? Such as downsizing or moving to rental?
That is not correct. I would recommend that you reach out to a tax advisor and get Publication 523 from the IRS.gov website
It’s affecting our decision on primary residence as well. GO MTG!!!
I’m in agreement but there must be income and/or home equity limits phase-outs in her bill or this will be another case like the carried interest exemption where mega wealthy “hedges” , et al, get their primary income (salaries , bonuses, etc…) taxed as investment income
I recommend renting out a home if possible if someone needs to downsize or move to assisted living. Than the rent proceeds can pay for the new place.
Renting out a home has its own problems. Especially if the home is in a state, like California, that is very pro-tenant/anti-landlord.
I just had a friend who had a nightmare experience with renters in TN and then other friends of hers chimed in about similar experiences (renters absolutely trashing a house). It would already be something of a burden to manage a property but if things go south I can see how it could get really ugly 😕
Yep, ditto with my sister who had to rent it out when they couldn’t sell it. Nightmare
That’s awful 😞 I’m sorry she went through that. And people wonder why there aren’t enough rentals available 😕 I’d hate to risk that, not worth it unless you have no other option.
The enemy of our souls knows very well how beneficial it’s for him to create division among us!
“Behold, how good and how pleasant it is For brethren to dwell together in unity!”
Psalms 133:1 NKJV
Yay for the multiplier!!
Completed my C&C Multiplier by donating to heroic Dr Moore (Primum Non Nocere - First, Do No Harm!!), props to Bondi/Trump for Dismissing Resident Autopen Cabbage Admin's corrupt lawfare - now prosecute the human cockroach fraudci and the rest for this vicious crime against humanity - and their poisonous jab - which unnecessarily - but intentionally - killed & injured millions of people and has severely damaged millions of children who will die early, not be able to have children and/or have chronic conditions for the rest of their lives. Despicable evil. There must be accountability.
While I'm at it, please take a few moments to read this detailed report from John Solomon's Just The News - accountability for the obama, clinton, biden, comey, brennan criminals is coming - I promise it is well worth the five minutes:
https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/monfbi-opens-grand-conspiracy-probe-weaponization-opening-door
And I strongly recommend every one consider subscribing to this truth telling news organization. Solomon has put together an excellent team of fact reporters.
Read it ..thank you. I sure do hope it happens but at this point I’m a bit skeptical.
It’s okay to be skeptical, the deep state operatives have not yet been fully removed from the government and they are working feverishly to undermine POTUS and his team. Keep the faith, don’t listen to the delusional, evil left and never Trumpers (who feign momentarily to be Trump Supporters), who wish to sell seeds of discontent. Support POTUS every way you are able - and pray for God’s continuing intercession. T.A.W. BECAUSE G.A.W!
Your faith is awesome! The Holy Spirit is working through you and I am grateful to read another’s post and see it.
That was long but worth the read. Encouraging to know or to hope that something will be done. These dems have gotten away with murder….figuratively and literally….for years.
Thank you! 👏
Also took me longer than five minutes!
Dan, this link takes me to a discussion about the polling industry…? What am I doing wrong?
Hi Marsha,
Dont watch the video at the top of the page, cursor down to the written article and you will have it.
Thank you, Dan. Seems as if John Durham’s not telling the truth here, also, among many others.
Dan, my comments here are based on a summary article from msn.com which suggests that much of the information revealed to Durham was “factually untrue”. I cannot corroborate that finding after a closer reading of the article to which I was helpfully referred after my initial reaction (comment). Now, I see that the msn article is not an accurate summary. Thank you for guiding me to John Solomon’s piece which is definitely not what I read on msn.com. This is so typical, isn’t it? Left wing media is not to be believed and quoted. I see nothing wrong with John Durham’s statement in Just the News. Dear God, this is proof once again of msm lies. I must never believe them. Ta!
Addendum, the msn.com summary came from the Daily Caller:
Federal officials under former President Barack Obama began investigating claims that Trump colluded with Russia to win the presidency based on faulty intelligence funded by Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC). The probe involved multiple attempts to surveil Trump and his 2016 campaign, and former Special Counsel John Durham later found such efforts to be factually baseless in a lengthy 2023 report
And Birx
How about Judas Pence? I'm certain there are dots to be connected between him and fraudci and others like the disgusting grifter scarf birx.
I'm not certain how you came to the conclusion that ovomit and Autopen still control the DOJ? They never did, their handlers and the autopen did, but that ended on Jan 21, 2025 and accountability is coming. I'm not certain how anyone has ever come to the conclusion that ovomit was some kind of master politician/statesman (perhaps his 'nobel' for getting s_Elected?) when he wasn't anything more than a puppet controlled by the globalists and deep state who put him and cabbage in power.
Accountability is coming........I'd love to take you up with a bet on that.
I hope it ended but what we see is for show.
We should be skeptical of DJT because he supports the jabs and digital ID. Those alone will negate anything good he has done because those 2 things reduce the population will make it "1984" for us in the future.
Watch the sleight of hand... Look here, not there...
Birx has gone quiet as a mouse....
Perhaps she hasn't been able to find a scarf to match prison overalls?
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I understand that she was the master witch behind it all.
She was a co-conspirator and has blood on her hands. The "master" was the monstrosity of evil from the conjoined fraudci and that motherfucker gates.
I'd give a lot more props to Bondi if she hadn't basically done this because she was being pressured about it and wanted people to overlook all of her Epstein nonsense. As it is, Dr. Moore got to this point because Bondi _wouldn't_ drop the case until she was getting pretty roundly called out about it. And there's not a good excuse - several high profile people have been bringing this up for months and it was ignored until the other day.
Sadly, there are people out there who can't see that Dr. Moore was actually providing a service people wanted, being fully informed. They just see "he was lying to the government" and worse, "he was enabling these people to deceive their employers and not get an experimental shot". _sigh_
I think Bondi has an overfull plate and had to wait on the deep creeps still in DOJ to slowly present the case - unless you assume she is simply willy nilly about making decisions?
My hope and expectation is that a critical part of her calculus is getting a handle on who in DOJ can be counted on and who in DOJ can be counted on to stab her in the back, repeatedly, and at every new opportunity. And replacing them until we finally have a DOJ doing it's job instead of being weaponized to do things like was done to POTUS, Moore, to J6, and so many MILLIONS more.
It really astonishes me that so many people think things should be happening immediately and without due process. Everybody needs to fucking relax and let POTUS and HIS team cook.
People have no idea how much is going on behind the scenes. They have been in office for 6 months
I agree MayBella - I think most of the people who are bitching and complaining are anti-Trump rabble-rousers trying to cause problems. Either "Never Trumpers" or Dbag Leftists who have Terminal TDS and are showing up at sites like this to attempt to hurt Trump and MAGA. They will never change my opinion of Trump, the best President in my lifetime and perhaps in the lifetime of the USA - time will tell.
Agreed.
I think she lied to everybody and got caught.
I'm just not ready to throw her under the bus, especially with so many deep state shit heads still working - FEVERISHLY and UNDER COVER of the DOJ deep state to destroy her and POTUS. I think a lot of people lied to her.
I think that you, I or anyone else not at the DOJ have the security clearance or the “need to know” to see everything going on. I am eternally grateful to her for taking the thankless job of fighting the deep state and cleaning up the huge mess from the last 5 Presidents (except Trump). The ones who are complaining the most loudly are people who have no idea how the government works when it is working correctly. I believe in her.
Amen! Thank you Maybella!
Give Send Go censored my comment that goes with the donation. I said thank you to Dr. Moore from saving children from the heinous jab and preventing disability, maiming and death. So in 2025, censoring is still living large.
I really don't like GSG - they think they have a "management" responsibility which goes far beyond determining that the right person gets the money as soon as possible.
I concur 100%. Many agree with us as well.
Never lied to anyone. Parents and patients asked and demanded EXACTLY what they got!
Sure can! He is a hero preventing children from being disabled and dying. Looks like you would have preferred that which makes you a sick twist.
Added mine as well.
Added mine too
I have been watching Dexter and dreaming of those days that karma comes for all those subhumans that sought to depop in every age group.
If by karma you mean God's eternal and perfect justice, yeah, it's coming.
Yes but I am impatient. That is why Dexter came to mind.
I just gave and I feel great! 😁
Me too! Amazing to keep refreshing the page and watching the counter go up another thousand each time!
Hi Laura,
Please let others know if you have not already.
Please everyone, call the President to stop the WHO Amendments-DEADLINE IS JULY 19
Call 202-456-1414 and this is the operator. Ask to be transferred to the President's comment line. Say No to the 2024 WHO amendments, they are bad news. Wait time is about 5-10 minutes so be prepared for that.
Took all of 2 minutes. A live person actually took my message to President Trump.
Shared widely. Thank you Lori.
PS - any chance you could try to be one of the first commenters on Jeff's stack tomorrow so many will see it?
I will try Laura!
My hold time was 10 minutes and I too spoke with a live person. Unfortunately she had no personality and seemed put out by having to take the message.
So isn’t that her JOB???!!!
Lori - the guy that answered my call was very matter of fact. Not friendly nor unfriendly.
My friend called in and they hung up on her before she could finish what she was saying. 😡😡😡
I’m in!
I gave. :)
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It never fails :)
👍 Thank you 🙏
So happy to support you!! Thank you for your willingness to help people even at great cost and risk to yourself! Very courageous!!
In the ten minutes since I gave, the total has gone up $15,000!
It’s nearly doubled from where it was when I donated earlier this morning!! 😍
When you add the requested $4 fee to your donation, the last figure is a 6, no longer a 2. My donation ends in 6, and i suspect a few other C&C donations do as well.
But it shows your amount without the charge so we know it’s from C $ C fans.
My fee was $3, 12 became 15 charge but still only 12 to the good doctor. Sorry I couldn’t send more.
Your donation still shows as ending in a 2. The donation is to support GSG.
So if I give $22 and a $2 donation(fee), it will show up as a $22 donation? Not $24?
Yes
No fee but givesendgo asks a donation I changed to $1 and my donation ended in a 2.
The donation or fees don’t count; best to end the base amount in a 2.
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$42 from me... can’t wait to see what the C&C army will pull out this time. I love the multipliers!
Done. This is a multipler I fully support. This doctor is a hero. Courageous. He saved lives unlike the vast majority who went along with it and enabled the scamdemic. A true doctor in every sense of the word. 👏👏👏❤️👍✝️
Thank you, Annie
Yay for Trump doing what’s right
What is that? Continuing the war? If you haven't read the room, you are in the small minority who likes this war (and most of those people are brainwashed shit libs)
Trump is on
The right side, for once.
Sorry your girl, Kamala, lost. Don’t forget to go get your booster.
Trump is a pro Ukraine guy now.
So did I!
I chipped in.
I just donated. The donations have soared from $180,000 this morning to $500,000. C&C Army is the best!
That’s amazing!! I checked a little while ago and it was 400,000!
I gave up scrolling through the donations to see all the donations ending with a '2'!
They kept coming while I kept clicking "LOAD MORE"!
It was up to 317k when I looked at 9 PT
What was the amount before C&C I wonder. It is going up by the second. 267k and rising
When I checked, just after Jeff’s round up posted and I’d read the first couple of paragraphs, it was at about $140,000.
334k now.
That’s what I saw too, RL
I just looked. . . 410k
I think it was about $140k when I went in, which was a few min after Jeff posted this morning
It’s $321k now at noon!
I think we were at ~$139k
Just started reading today's C&C so get ready for another wave of donations. ❤️
😲 is that you??? The doctor who dared! A man with integrity. God bless.
Yes! God bless you
At 444k at 9am day after and all the top amounts ended in 2.
$ is still coming in!
Link is now redirecting to a blank page...
Did we crash the site?? 😮
Regarding the so-called raw footage of Jeffrey Epstein‘s jail cell: maybe the deep state handed Pam Bondi that recording and told her it was raw footage when it really wasn’t in order to discredit her and to throw a monkey wrench into the investigation because that’s what the deep state does. Just a theory. It should be interesting to see what she says now that the footage is Found to benot so raw.
The part about Axios getting that memo first would seem to support a theory like that.
None of that makes sense. Axios is liberal-read. Why feed the trolls if they are already rabidly engorged?
I am not sure it’s just a matter of feeding the trolls. If it’s real, then I would not have expected Axios to break the story. I think something else is going on.
The bottom line is though, we can all speculate until we’re blue in the face but we don’t have all of the information and can’t really know at this point what’s really going on.
Maybe you leak to Axios to try to show good faith that you're leaking to what you know is a non-friendly news source, trying to prove the credibility of the material.
Now! Doesn't sound responsible
So, did Axios just happen to be the first news outlet to stumble onto the memo? News that big would have looked more transparent (honest) if the DOJ had held a press conference and announced to the world, "This is our general conclusion. Read the memo on our site for details." Anything less looks sketchy. Whoever breaks news gets to spin it, and everybody else has to chase the spin to verify, unspin, or re-spin.
I'm beginning to think everything Epstein is the circus half of bread and circuses. Probably by design, we'll all get Epstein fatigue and move on to the next bit of shiny fake news.
Epstein fatigue? Not yet. Inquiring minds haven't forgotten an uncomfortable fact: In 2002, according to New York magazine, Trump said: “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy…. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
Yes, classic Trumpian lack of mouth control. The nagging question is how much about Epstein is about Trump.
I think it’s possible someone leaked it to them. Not sure who or why, but it just seems really strange that anyone who is on Trump’s side would give it to Axios of all possible “news” outlets 🤔
Yeah, it’s crazy of the DOJ to sneak that kind of info out without a signature. It does not look good on Bondi.
Another big problem with the Epstein jail video is that is not the same door that they showed us covered in police tape in 2019! Can anyone explain that?
All that other evidence gets forgotten and a new truth is formed. It happens over and over.
What happened to Seth and Julian? Where are Hiilary and Podestas emails?
Eventually people move on to other horrid FF events or distractions or mind manipulation they perpetuate on us, so we can't keep up with it all and resign to survive to provide for our families while the tax us to death paying for their wars and our own demise.
May God inflict His justice on them.
Let's not forget. The "autopsy" shows things broken that NOT be broken by oneself.
I think this theory is pretty good. The Epstein thing is far bigger than pedophilia - blackmailing of the highest order, which could seriously disrupt the global order if all the beans are spilled (and may be tied to the missing $20 trillion in our government - that you will never hear Trump or any other POTUS talk about)
https://tube.solari.com/videos/071025_financial-rebellion/
If the choice is between nefarious intent or government incompetence, I will go with incompetence. The vast majority of bureaucrats would forget about forensic review. Also remember that most experts do not work for the government. Not only did they need to wipe the meta data, but they would also need to create fake meta data that indicated the video was the raw original data.
Yeah it sounds like a lot of extra work.
True or maybe she is covering her own buttocks. She was FL attorney general when Epstein drama hit the fan and look where she is at now.
Its suspect at the very least.
President Trump trusts her … so I trust her. She is fighting evil and she has my respect. I would not want that job.
Very. I have never trusted her.
My current crazy conspiracy theory is Trump made a deal to "bury" the Epstein case. Maybe to pass the BBB? Or something else?
He was true to his deal.
But... Left a few breadcrumbs to the truth so that it would be found out.
It's purely speculative and wishful thinking but, it fits with what we know at the moment.
The whole thing is a joke. First, we see video footage that is far outside of Epstein‘s cell. Then they remove one minute of it. Then they doctor it up so obvious… at this point they are mocking us.
And yes, they still haven’t explained how the letter was leaked to Axios. Clown 🤡 show and insulting to boot.
Exactly. Perhaps some deep state folks will get pink slips?
My thoughts too.
MTG: "I just love that woman!" Me, too, Jeff! Me, too!!!
And a one sentence bill instead of a 1000 page bill?? Even better!! 😁
Should be a new requirement for every bill, along with requiring an explanation (in one sentence) of how the bill aligns with the Constitution.
We could go back to having part-time legislators, then.
And adjust their salaries accordingly. But I bet their net worth will still soar. That is an issue that truly needs addressing.
Agree!!
K street needs a fire. A big fire. A la haina style burn.
https://downsizedc.org/act/read-the-bills-act-2/
MORE ONE PAGE BILLS PLEASE!
One sentence min, one page max. That's plenty. No more legal gobbledegook (sorry, Jeff C.).
All bills should be in tl;dr format. (a summary form for too long; didn't read).
If they’re only a sentence long we wouldn’t even need that! 😁 Plus I am not sure I trust that the abridged form would be accurate 🙁
It will grow through committee. I do wish they didn’t have the ability to do that
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“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left. Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.”
— Matthew 24:36-44 NAS
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Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool. If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land; but if you refuse and rebel, you shall be devoured by the sword; for the mouth of the Lord has spoken."
— Isaiah 1:18-20
yes, I am appreciative of this “reasoning together”.
Love this verse. Thanks, Janet.
I have a question for folks to
ponder, and maybe weigh in:
Where it says, “Two are working and one will be taken”, then it seems to compare this to a “thief in the night”, does that spell out to anyone that, perhaps they don’t mean the Rapture, a word never mentioned in the bible?
Perhaps it means that the antichrist has taken them like a thief in the night? And then the verses about a new heaven and a new earth, with US right here ON the new earth rather than being “hoovered up” like Jesus is a big old vacuum cleaner make sense? 666 comes BEFORE 777. Anybody else see what I’m seeing?
I haven’t believed in pre-trib rapture or dispensation for a long time now. Too many things in Scripture point to a different scenario.
SAME. I’ve just never thought through this one, though I’ve read it 100x.
No way Matthew compares Jesus to a thief. Also, most everything GOOD that God makes happen, is in the broad light of day. Satan usually operates under cover of night. I can’t imagine we’d all be Hoovered up at night. Plus, who worked their field at night? Nobody — unless your eldest daughter is getting married in the back yard and you’re there pulling weeds by way of a headlamp. Ask me
how
I know…
Read Thessalonians 5…….He is talking about spiritual darkness. We should not be living in spiritual darkness, but walking in the light of His Word. It doesn’t say that He comes at night, but that the ‘Day if the Lord’ comes as a thief in the night……
Going on to explain that even in daytime the evil ones walk in darkness . And in another place he calls them ‘children of darkness’ who cannot even perceive light
“Now concerning the times and seasons,brothers and sisters, you have no need for anything to be written to you.
For you yourselves know very well that the Day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night.
When they are saying, “Shalom and safety,” sudden destruction comes upon them like a woman having birth pains in the womb—there is no way they will escape.
But you, brothers and sisters, are not in the dark, so that the Day might overtake you like a thief.
For you all are sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night or of darkness— so then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain on the alert and sober-minded. For those who sleep, sleep at night; and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. But since we are of the day, let us be sober-minded—putting on the breastplate of faithfulness and love, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.
For God did not destine us for wrath but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Yeshua the Messiah. He died for us so that, whether we may be awake or asleep,we may live together with Him. Therefore encourage one another and build each other up—just as you in fact are doing.”
YES! I just typed that out to several friends, too! Thank you.
“Plus, who worked their field at night? Nobody — unless your eldest daughter is getting married in the back yard and you’re there pulling weeds by way of a headlamp. Ask me
how
I know…”
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Haha. Not asking. Hoping my daughter marries one of these days, though, so she can get out of the Witness Protection Program. Like father, like daughter? Haha again.
But maybe it’ll be like a thief in the night to those who are left behind ?
Maybe christ comes back a lion
Antichrist (who always mimics christ ) comes back a LIE n ( alien - they blame it on an alien invasion!)
Anyhow kc ☀️ - I don’t understand what your saying about ur theory can u speak little more to it- I’m super interested in theology and eschatology but I’m leaning pre trib rapture perhaps wishful thinking but nevertheless it’s where I’m at the moment
I’ve been studying with Shepherd’s Chapel online or on TV for decades. Pastor Arnold Murray and his son Dennis, know the word way better than anyone else I have encountered. They know all the original languages and the meaning of every word in the bible, regardless of its origin. They are 100% sure that the AC comes first. He will arise out of seemingly
nowhere, in a spirit of peace and prosperity, we WILL live through the tribulation though the time will be shortened ton5 months. I’ve just watched their lesson on Ezekiel 36-40. I was spellbound.
I’ve always thought of the phrase, “as a thief in the
night” as being just like it says right afterwards, if the master of the home knew he was
going to be robbed, he’d have been on guard. So it told me to just be aware/on guard, and stay ready to have Jesus return. All that seems still true but today the verse struck me as having another meaning— more like the parable
of the wheat and the tares. I was able to copy & paste
it to you.
So, THIS to me says, the antichrist will def come FIRST and will be taken— first, like in the verse above saying 2 are working in a field and 1 is snatched. On other words, he’s snatched by the AC, NOT hovered up by Jesus.
Bottom
line: I do not think this is a matter that will stop you from being saved, not going to heaven. I just want to LNOW what I believe and why. I’d love
to
be able to teach others abt it with complete confidence.
Please read the full chapters of 1 Thessalonians 4 and Matthew 24.
.Then there’s this!
According to the parable of the wheat and the tares, Jesus is saying the wicked will be removed first, which pretty much contradicts man’s doctrine of the ‘rapture’.
‘Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “FIRST gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’ Matthew 13:30 (NASB95)
‘And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom. The tares are the sons of the evil one; and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.’
Matthew 13:37-43 (NAS)
While the actual English word rapture is not in the Bible the Greek word harpazo is in the Bible 17 times. Harpazo is defined catch up, take by force, catch away, pluck, catch, pull. 2 Corinthians 12:2 and 4, 1 Thessalonians 4:17, Revelation 12:5 are some of the best. Raptura is a Latin word meaning to seize or to snatch away. This is where rapture derives from. When Jesus speaks about the two in the field in Matthew 24:40-41 or Luke 17:34-37 he is explaining there will be a time when believers and unbelievers will be divided. One will be taken (snatched away) and one will be left behind. This will happen when He returns for His church. His "church" are the true believers not those who just say they are. Remember in Matthew 7:21-23 he told the disciples that not everyone who says "Lord Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. He knows the true heart of his followers.
What you point out is why I can’t dismiss the idea of the rapture. I found the same information when I taught Matthew this past year. I won’t push the concept because arguing about such things is futile, but I do wish those arguing vociferously that the word rapture isn’t in the Bible would give it a rest. The word Trinity isn’t in the Bible either, but those who believe in Jesus Christ, God’s only Son, Savior of our souls, don’t argue about that
True- I’ll
remove
that part of
my
comment.
Yes. To take His bride (not the ‘church’ as is being taught) to the wilderness. To be taken through the ‘tribulum’ (greek) to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Any way it happens is fine with me. As long as I’m with Him.
What you say about the word ‘harpazo’ is true, however, taking the verse in 1Thessalonians 4:17 we see that taking away the people results in their meeting Jesus in the air. The word used there for ‘meeting’, apantesis, describes a series of events that was common back then where an honored guest, a triumphant general, a king or emperor was coming to your town, people would go out to meet him and then escort him back into town. Again, I have to say this also kind of contradicts man’s doctrine of the rapture. I am reminded of Jesus’s warning to his followers concerning the teachings, doctrines of men.
A good picture of this kind of ‘meeting’ is given in the story of Jesus being escorted into town on the colt of a donkey and them scattering palms on the path ahead of him. They heard he was coming, they went out to meet him and they escorted him back into town. Incidentally, that’s exactly what the Wise virgins did that night when the trumpet announced the arrival of the bridegroom. They trimmed their lamps, having plenty of oil, and went out to meet him and then escorted him back into town.
Very helpful! Thank you.
All governments are criminal enterprises.
That’s why we need God.
He wouldn't hurt...
I am trying to picture Jesus being hoovered up.....I want to laugh but that is probably not the right thing to do.
Well, technically if you
believe in the rapture (I don’t), Jesus will ascend, and we Christians will be Hoovered up. But I don’t see that occurring. 😝
gotta love the word "hoovered"!
😂
I understand this to mean to be always prepared for Christ’s 2 coming. We don’t know the time of it is we should always be prepared. For not all will go to heaven. The oil lamp is another scripture reading that addresses this too.
According to the parable of the wheat and the tares, Jesus is saying that the wicked will be removed first, which pretty much contradicts man’s doctrine of the ‘rapture’.
‘Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “FIRST gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’ Matthew 13:30 (NASB95)
‘And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.’
Matthew 13:37-43 (NASB95)
Bottom line is all of this will happen in a twinkling of an eye. Fast!
When the Bridegroom (Jesus) comes for His Bride (His Church) we had better be ready to hear the trumpet and have oil in our lamps as we head into the wedding feast.
Amen.
SO helpful as well. Thanks! Again, I’ve read this scripture 200x but not truly gotten to this place until today.
This!!!!
The Word even says the wheat will be taken to the wilderness and be sifted through the tribulum (tribulation) to separate the wheat from the chaff.
There were three feast seasons in Israel, where God‘s people were required to attend. The first one which, included Passover, coincided with the barley harvest. The barley was relatively easy to clean, requiring only that it be winnowed. It should be noted, though, that a portion of the barley was separated from the rest and then offered as firstfruits unto God.
The second feast season, Pentecost, occurred at the time of the wheat harvest. Again, a portion was separated from the rest and then offered as firstfruits unto God. The wheat was more difficult to clean and required different methods one of which was the tribulum, the threshing sledge, that was used to crack the husk and loosen the chaff. Then the wheat was winnowed in order to separate the husk and the chaff from the grain.
The third feast season, which included the feast of tabernacles or booths, occurred at the time of the grape harvest. The grapes were even more difficult to deal with, requiring that they be crushed in the wine press in order to separate the flesh from the blood of the grape. As difficult as that process was, it was worth it, since the final product was wine.
The idea that there were three harvest seasons, and that the book of revelations refers to two angels being sent at different times in order to harvest the Earth might cause one to ponder the significance of this information. If the harvests refer to people, then the idea of a single ‘rapture’ doesn’t work. Perhaps the men that formed that doctrine should think of making the word ‘rapture’ plural instead of singular.
For those that might choose to ponder the significance of these harvests, I would suggest thinking of the bride, the 144,000, and the great sea of people that looked like glass.
Though there is no mention in the Bible about the number of times a fisherman sorted the fish, I’ve read commentary that 3 times could be accurate. Sorting good from bad as soon as the net is hauled into the boat, then a second sorting of good from bad on the shore. The last time would be when getting the fish ready for market, which correlates to the feasts you mention. As we get ready for Jesus’s soon return, it would seem we are in the last round of sorting, which brings to mind the 10 virgins, of which 5 were foolish. Praying to be among the 5 wise virgins🙏
Ya, It makes sense that that’s the way they would’ve separated the fish although it’s in reverse order of the way the harvest seasons teach. In the harvests lesson it was the best that was taken first and then the second best then finally the worst ones.
As to your prayer about being one of the wise virgins, here’s something to consider: The virgins were not the bride
We can assume that the virgins were friends of the bride, we know for a fact they were not the bride, so I see a distinction in the group of people already. We got three groups here. We got the bride. We got the Wise virgins and we got the foolish virgins. We have the barley, the wheat and the grapes of wrath.
Yes, the sorting is inverted, compared to the harvest refining seasons and methods. Good things to ponder!
But Would the bridegroom set it up to where his bride endures this tribulation?? We all endure troubles but the trib is a whole nother realm. I have been following pastor Gary Hamrick online from Cornerstone Church in Virginia and he has me pretty convinced! His study on Revelation is amazing! But I of course still have questions and love to hear discussions and debates on this- we r in a time where we need debates on this badly especially given the amount of antisemitism occurring now from Christian conservatives - we need to be having theological and eschatological discussions now!! We r going to be more confused and best we can hash this out now the better! As you said our salvation does not depend on our interpretation- thank God but it’s gonna get lit down here for all or some of us and we need to be awake and aware ! I’ll check out your guy/ church you listen to as well!
Thanks for engaging in the topic!
Everything now is coming down to theology and eschatology I belive that 100! And sadly most convos don’t get down to it!!
Remember back in the old days the Jews how the weddings were - paraphrasing :man would ask father for his brides hand then he’d leave for an unknown time to build a home for them to live and then come back unannounced and off they’d go to their new home !! Weee!! What a cause for a celebration!!
Also I’m curious are u saying the antichrist is going to snatch us while in the fields?
Scroll up
to
the wheat and the
tares verse or
find it by searching your fave version of the bible and a few
key words. Tares ought
to do it!
So the inept deceit with the video is comparable to the phony Obama birth certificate, where computer experts were able to take it apart and show it had been compiled with pieces of information from seven different documents.
The Obama minions screwed up his 2009 tax form by leaving on the phony Connecticut Social Security number on it that he had been illegally using since he was twenty-six years old (a federal felony).
The US government has been a criminal enterprise since @ least Clinton’s first term (RICO anyone) & the MSM has been complicit in furthering the crimes. It’s only accelerated since Obama took office. I am not sure if 4 years of an un compromised Trump administration will be enough to dismantle all the corruption.
The US government has been a criminal enterprise since @ least the assassination of JFK.
Ever hear of the Teapot Dome Scandal? "The Teapot Dome scandal was a major political corruption scandal in the United States during the 1920s. It involved the secret leasing of U.S. Navy oil reserves, specifically the Teapot Dome oil field in Wyoming and other reserves in California, to private oil companies at favorable terms, without competitive bidding. Secretary of the Interior Albert Fall was at the center of the scandal, accepting bribes from oilmen Harry Sinclair and Edward Doheny in exchange for these leases."
Fall was the first Cabinet member to go to prison.
Sounds a lot like what Hillary Clinton did with selling 25% of our uranium to Russia.
The Teapot Dome Scandal isn't a good example. Because they put him in jail. He was held accountable. That's no longer the case.
My point was that corruption in politics has gone on for a lot longer than sixty years.
I won’t argue with you on that.
I feel certain 4 years of an uncompromised Trump administration could not dismantle so much corruption. Humanly impossible with 24 hour days.
The rot is too deeply imbedded.
You pull the correct string and it all comes down. I think they have that string in sight.
And he’ll never be prosecuted.
Not in this life.
He won’t live forever💥
None of us will. That's the joy of being alive. The elite obsession with immortality is a fear-based desperation. Q: "Why can't we live forever?" A: "That why we have kids."
"Let me try explaining this another way, for people who live in a distant Northwestern city where they elect mayors who turn over large portions of downtown to unruly mobs who enthusiastically recreate demonic set scenes combining Mad Max Thunderdome with an (accidentally) LSD-infused church summer camp production of Sodom and Gomorrah."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Documentary: Seattle is Dying https://youtu.be/bpAi70WWBlw?si=PRe8aRtHojdegW_i
There's a part 2, but if I recall, it was more of the same.
I DON'T understand why residents there keep electing the same leadership.
That documentary is several years old, and it's only gotten worse.
The elections are rigged. It is all mail in ballots only and then they bring in the number of necessary ballots to put their candidate over the top. This has gone on for the 4 decades Democrats have been running the government.
Ahhhhh…..May we never forget Portlanders.😂😂
We are honored to be the scapegoat for the C&C Army. Be sure to know what a scapegoat is and does.
I live in NJ where most of the state could be easily interchangeable for "distant Northwestern City".
I thought that the town was supposed to stay unnamed today.
I apologize. I didn’t understand it that way.
JK
No apologies needed
Twistedly funny and an accurate visual of what it looked like
One of the big problems with the Epstein jail video is that they said none existed. And now it does? And there WAS a client list, and now there is none?
Rodger Stone was interviewed on OANN and he says that what they need to do is have Pam Bondi require a court in New York (?) to release all of the sealed information that was used in Epstein‘s plea deal
That would be cool. Can it happen? It might make Alan Dershowitz very uncomfortable. He claims to have blockbuster info sworn to secrecy. No doubt that's true. I like him, but I'm tired of insiders talking about what they can't talk about. I'm sure that raises their stock values, but all we get are dry-well clicks and interviews.
Another big problem with the Epstein jail video is that is not the same door that they showed us covered in police tape in 2019! Can anyone explain that?
The Gateway Pundit reported that the door in the video is on the M block . Epstein was on the L block .
Everything about this video is suspect.
I saw that too and L block was on another floor. The plot thickens.
I didn't realize that!!
Houdini Hoodwinking!
Houdini was deep state and ended up being suicided.
que up Every Single Time: https://aish.com/houdini-escaped-everything-except-his-jewish-heritage/
Interesting history of Houdini and his associates. Include MI5, MI6 and Aleister Crowley.
https://matthewehret.substack.com/p/the-occult-tesla-part-11
Thanks!!
Pardon, but your hatred of Israel show in every comment you make. Are you a Muslim?
There are a few others on C&C that include this hatred in almost every comment they make even when the topic isn’t related to anything about Israel/Jews. I ignore them. I’m weary of the hate. My Lord and Savior was/is a Jewish Rabbi, and but for the Jews we would not have the Bible. (Of course the writer “Dude” mocks those of us who believe.)
Oh please.
Pfizer was run by an all Jewish lineup.
Is pointing that out making someone a Muslim?
Just curious. Because you seem to not be able to speak on anything else. Sounds like a Muslim to me.
BONDI said.
Re the NATO/Ukraine weapons business: Trump made a deal, one that will generate income for the US instead of expenses. But with this action, Trump did nothing to bring an end to an endless war, and to stop the killing. "I want peace!!" .... heard echoing down an empty alleyway in NW DC.
He tried direct negotiation’s and now he is trying this. NATO countries footing the bill may be the only way to stop this war. They won’t enjoy the expense. It was fine when USA was paying but maybe now they will come to their senses
Yep. Once the Euros feel more of the heat (some have given a fair amount already), it could spell the end.
Agreed. The Europeans haven’t been pressuring Ukraine to end the war, they’ve actually been kind of encouraging it from the sidelines (why am I getting a mental picture of the Martha’s Vineyard idiots?). Maybe if they’re feeling the financial impacts too, Ukraine will get pressure from many countries. One can hope.
There's a lot of money in selling weapons of war. And a huge reward in pillaging a country's natural resources.
"Kind of encouraging"? How about "to the last Ukrainian"?
Concern for the victim isn’t manifest by handing them over to be Russified by their oppressors. That’s leftist logic.
Russia should stop their war. Why is the pressure on Ukraine and the west and not the people who started it?
Good point.
I hope and pray you are correct.
NATO isn’t paying for it. Russia is. NATO has 300b in seized Russian assets which generate billions monthly.
Russia is paying for this.
Seized?
Russian oligarchs and their government left
Billions in western banks and treasuries when they invaded. That money is now seized and creating more money via interest.
Not used to balance the budget no doubt. Peace was made with the Minsk Agreement btween Russia and Ukraine, which NATO violated just to go to war. Now Ukraine is lost by default.
Minsk create a ceasefire that Russia violated-not nato.
Ukraine hasn’t lost. Russia hasn’t won.
Ukraine wins by surviving. Russia, a nuclear power, loses by not winning.
How does the USA take 335 billion in seized assets that are in European banks to fund our own domestic spending? That won’t cover 1/10th of the OBBB trump loves
I get a kick out of the left’s TACO slur. It’s hilariously childish. What the left calls “chicken out” adults call “negotiating.” Trump-card power “chickened out” and bumped NATO up from 2.5% to 16.6%. More chicken for the kids, please.
The left throws screaming fits in public, breaks furniture, calls people names, and lies to get out of getting caught lying. Governing would be almost peaceful if the left would grow up and learn math. The right doesn’t help. It’s like a fatigued parent foolishly caving in. Like, “OK, OK, OK, sweetie. You don’t have to close the border, and your ill-mannered little friend can stay for dinner. Eat all the dessert you want while I clean up the mess you made in Los Angeles.”
It’s not nato, it’s Russia.
The west has 335b in seized Russian assets. That generates around 30b yearly in interest.
That will pay for everything Ukraine needs.
Trump is literally having Russia pay for the bullets used to kill them!
Nice try but I don’t think so. We cut off all funds and we call back all military personnel.
It really is that simple.
Tired of excuses. The fact of the matter is, Trump has allowed, since day one, Biden's allocated funding and arms and intelligence to continue to flow to Ukraine.
Because it’s the right thing to do.
It was under Trump we went to Ukraine
And conducted training missions and massacred Russian soldiers in Syria-joins defeats the whole “Trump is a Russian asset”.
And the demonicRATS were using Ukraine as a slush fund. We had also built biolabs on the border with Russia.
That’s what they destroyed when your RATS were in control.
If those alleged labs were destroyed why does Russia need to keep the war going?
My god I'm so tired of the childish comments here. Yes, because I made a truthful comment that isn't a good look for your idol Trump, i'm obviously on team D. It makes you look childish and ridiculous, but thats on you. Trump didn't make good decisions re Ukraine his first time in office. Pardon my blasphemy, if you will.
"The love of money is the root of all evil."
That explains DC, including the current administration.
Some of the folks screaming the loudest about federal funding cuts are NGOs and churches- churches have been feeding at the teet of refugees resettlement for some time now. It all comes down to money.
but the borrower being SLAVE to the lender is not a virtue
It is actually a curse.
Yet President Trump has LOST money. He has gained nothing. Explain that.
The love of money (power) can cause people to make bad decisions.
Classic Trump to monetize the War in America’s favor. But, there better be a long term plan not to get sucked into a war with Russia (and by default, the CCP) and not to drain the American military of weapons.
So long as Trump allows Lindsay Graham to whisper in his ear, escalation remains a distinct possibility.
Trump always keeps his enemy's close. He's onto Miss Lindsay.
Lindsay is Wormtongue
Perfect.
Watch this. This seems to have made an impression on Trump, and it happened when he was out of the WH.
https://youtube.com/shorts/5RuI8BLMdcc?si=aOlikxslWu-ktQgO
Income for the deep state.
All wars are bankers wars.
Or else we release the Epstein file.
He has tried via negotiating a peace agreement... and it appears that both sides continue to blow up everything! You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.
Trump wants a 30 day no condition ceasefire so Ukraine can try to regroup. He has no idea how to actually bring peace to the conflict. All he had to say is the US will no longer participate and it would end. The EU/IK and Ukraine governments are leeches, and US taxpayers are dupes.
Ukraine accepted. Russia refused.
So now Trump is going to arm Ukraine up.
Some of the folks screaming the loudest about federal funding cuts are NGOs and churches- churches have been feeding at the teet of refugees resettlement for some time now. It all comes down to money.
Those countries won’t fund it long. Trump tried negotiating but Z won’t be reasonable. So Trump is basically no saying “ok you want to keep the war going, someone else can pay.” I’m just annoyed that he’s continuing to deplete the US war chest.
It takes more than one to tango.
Roger, money for US weapons manufacturers and their shareholders.
And a ton of dead Russian soldiers. A win for everyone
Wow. You’re celebrating the deaths of young men. Are you also celebrating the deaths of possibly an entire generation of young Ukrainians.
How I wish people like you would find an altar and repent. But you love death too much to stop, don’t you?
When BNN and Horsey first came on C&C, I accused them of racism on the basis of their viewpoint that the only good Russian is a dead Russian. And they are explicitly clear about that. They would see the entire Russian population genocided and then rape the Russian territory of the natural resources to get rich. This is almost always the point of any war but they don't even try to hide their bloodthirsty racism.
These NeoCons are completely brainwashed by 80 years of NeoCon rhetoric against a now long vanquished Soviet Union. So they replace Soviet Union in their rhetoric with Russia and continue to press for total war...
BNN: "Bad guys dying is always good. If Putin wants the dying to stop he can end the war at anytime. The Ukrainians and Russians have one thing in common, both don’t care how many Russian soldiers die. So do I."
The lie embedded in the above statement (see BNN comment in this thread) is that even if Putin ended the war (by surrendering?), the NeoCons would STILL advocate for total war against the Russian people for the purpose of wiping them out entirely. Does this not remind you of the USG's treatment of the American Indian after the so-called Civil War? It's the same racist mentality and it is demonic.
The funny part is they don't even deny the charge.
Except it isn’t funny.
I'm happy to say "Well said!"
Jewish-run Ukraine sending White Orthodox Christian men to their deaths by the hundreds of thousands? It's their max fantasy.
Indeed it is.
Yeah, he's an anti-abortion warmonger who hates the people he claims to support. Go figure the point in that.
Incorrect on all counts.
Ukraine has the right to choose their own way. They don’t want to be Russian.
They want to align with the west, not Russia who is their traditional oppressor.
Stop using leftist logic.
If true, why did USAID push the 2014 coup, overthrowing Ukraine's legally elected government.
Using leftist logic? Man, that hurt hahahaha.
As for the Patriots you said, this am, Ukraine still has, how is it, as you just said, Russia is bombing, flattening cities. What's the point of the Patriots?
I truly feel sorry for you and your ilk. Intelligent people know when they are whipped, idiots keep fighting, losing more and more each day. But the West won't let them quit. Keith Kellogg is in Kiev right now, making sure they fight to the LAST UKRAINIAN.
That's pathetic!
Bad guys dying is always good. If Putin wants the dying to stop he can end the war at anytime.
The Ukrainians and Russians have one thing in common, both don’t care how many Russian soldiers die.
So do I.
Who says they’re bad guys?
They are sons, brothers, husbands, Dads, but all your Satanic eyes sees is money, money, money, money.
You make me want to puke.
You need to go live and fight in Ukraine. Instead , you’re making bank on DEATH. You and Lindsay Graham must be lovers.
Becuase they’re in a war for the deep state, duh.
I’ve already been. Now go enlist in the Russian army. Your turn.
War mongering is bad.
God doesn't see it that way.
Benn, Benn, you're like a scab I keep picking at to see if it's healed yet...
God is a warrior himself and commanded his people to slaughter a lot of bad guys in the Old Testament.
Why does Ukraine have to stop fighting but Russia doesn’t?
Yeah, what’s up C&C Army? How’s that guy we voted for doing on his PROMISE that he was going to end this Ukraine Russia war on the first day in office?!?!?
But now I guess we are supposed to celebrate his great deal making as we profit in some small way off of the continuation of this savage war.
I don’t think so.
Killing the bad guys does a lot of good for peace. Putin is having to hire as many Nepali, Indian, Somali, and Yemeni men as he can to absorb Ukrainian bullets.
And you know what?
The Russians are paying for those weapons.
I do not expect the Russians to advocate for peace. I do expect Trump to live up to his word. You do get the difference ....
Hello! He does not "get the difference."
Trump wasted 6 months and countless lives to come to the conclusion that Russia doesn’t want peace. They want Ukraine.
Every single ceasefire the USA proposed Ukraine agreed to but Russia refused.
You do know that the Ukraine war is a war started by YOU and YOUR demonicRATS.
Ukraine has always sucked at the rest of the American Taxpayer and has an incestuos relationship with RAT and RINOS and is a hub for child trafficking.
You do know that, don’t you, ninnie?
The only person who started the war is Putin.
By the way, Trump still won’t release the Epstein list.
Trump is sending aid to Ukraine at levels not seen since the beginning. Pony up, z man needs his yacht :)
And you know what, you treasonous ninnie bastard ? I no longer care or want to hear about Epstein list. I’m not a one-cause voter. I am pretty sure that YOU are a plant, you ARE making money on ALL the young men dying, both Ukrainians and Russians. You make me sick.
You rejoice over young people dying. The more death, the more money your and Lindsay’s little war machine makes.
You worship at the feet of the almighty dollar.
They want peace, but not at the price Trump is asking. They seem to be humming right along. Now that another extension of Zelensky's Marshall law is approved Ukraine can keep grabbing people off the streets and throw them on the front lines. That's probably why NN isn't in Ukraine. Russia isn't under Marshall law, is it?
Russia seems content with the pace they have set.
Where ya been, ninnie? Something yanked your string, huh?
Trump has me working overtime on Ukraine aid. I’ve been to Europe 4 times this month already.
Well, carry on, soldier. FYI; if you’re a praying man, St. Jude is in charge of lost causes.
I thought Zelenskyy refused?
Zelensky did refuse.
Zelenskyy didn’t refuse, Russia did.
You’re a fool.
Zelensky refused.
Not without a peace plan, a ceasefire is useless. No more bait and switch.
War feeds the money coffers.
Trump pushed the ceasefire as a stepping stone to peace. Russia refused.
Zelensky is a fool. And you are a fools fool. Rejoicing over the dead bodies.
Trump didn’t send you anywhere.
You, like Lindsay, are a part of the war machine. Most likely part of the human trafficking coming out of Ukraine.
Right, ninnie?
Good boy! "War is peace and peace is war." You learned your lesson in Orwellian language well.
Only wars that Russia starts are worth it, right?
At any point Putin decided to the war could end.
For the record, a frog is an amphibian not a reptile.
True, but reptile is funnier to say. So.
In legal parlance: "I'm not a biologist."
Unless you say amphibian using your impersonation of Sylvester the cartoon cat
I see the army is already hitting it in force . Several "just now" donations ending in 2. Cool.
It’s always fun to see!
When I go to the link, all I see is a place to sign in. I'm not a member there so can't see anything anymore.
I don't think you have to be a member or create any account- until you click the donate button.
Never used to be. I'd show you a screen shot if I could. Both of Jeff's links take me to a sign-in page.
The name of the Give Send Go is titled Stand for Moore. Search for it that way.
I can't wait to read the history of Trump's second term. I am hoping it leads off with, "Surprising all the experts, every single one of them, is the debt reduction achieved by Trump. No one expected a zero deficit and a surplus that was used to reduced the national debt by $5T. The three major contributors were: tariff income, economic growth that fueled 20% higher tax revenue for the Government, and modest spending cuts. All of these were also ingeniously conceived to be politically palatable to a broad set of voters effectively neutralizing the Democrat opposition. Trump's 2027 win of the Nobel Peace Prize pales in comparison to his fiscal achievements."
Sounds good to me!
Yeah, can't wait for the government to have more revenue that gets spent on the arms industry while driving up prices of common goods for us plebs!
Now, now, now, don't re-write my imagined future history. It's mine! :)
On the capital gains on homes: if we indexed for inflation, and in addition, provided an exemption for a certain dollar amount for it being the taxpayer’s homestead, it would be less objectionable. In fact, all taxable gains should be indexed for inflation.
Good comment. I'd add: and don't use the Government's inflation numbers as they are controlled by the Government and are always on the low side.
I have been skeptical of MTG, but she is really proving herself, and gaining in her experience dealing w the Swamp. Hope that bill applies starting in TY25. We just sold our house of 33 years to buy one ‘middle age’ friendly for the next three decades. Was cheaper than trying to remodel, but CapGains are major. Currently you never own your house - just a vehicle to extract taxes - annually for local, and eventually to fund DC waste and grift. If not enough for DC, Pols will just spend more than tax inflow - just steal from our kids; so really no Diff to them how tax is raised, or not.
MTG is great. She and Massie are my favorites.
Hopefully Matt Gaetz gets back in the game.
CactusMatt, right you are. I just posted a comment about the need for eliminating property taxes.
I must say I am more impressed with MTG than anyone, surprisingly so!
We witnessed a miracle on July 13, 2024. Trump and America dodged a bullet. The golden age hinged on him turning his head at the right second: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/trump-butler-pennsylvania-assassination-miracle
G.A.W.!!!
Yes, we did! Witnessed a miracle…
It is always amazing to go back and watch the video. "They" were planning a televised live murder but what they got was a televised live miracle by a split second.
Precisely!
On Truth Social , Trump said we should "not waste time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about." I am shocked and disgusted in equal measure. We deserve better. We were promised transparency by Bondi, Bongino, and Patel. Now there is no there, there?! What the hell is going on?
I was v upset by that too. And I’m surprised Jeff didn’t comment on that tweet. Yes we are sick of people in the know getting away with things BUT. more importantly, children were harmed and it’s so ugly everyone should want justice for those victims.
I’m old school. I think, calling 17 year old girls, children, is confusing and distracts from the fact that there is a porn industry selling videos of babies and toddlers being raped.
Exactly.
I think Jeff covered the basics the other day and then followed up with wisdom on the 'glass half empty' folks.
On the other hand, Trump frequently highlights things he wants people to pay attention to, even when he says something nice about someone we hate. I’m still watching this one.
Fret not, you cannot take everything Trump or his people say at face value, because we are engaged in irregular warfare. A lot of this theatre is not for us, it’s for the enemy.
Exactly. Not sure what is so hard for people to understand regarding this. The art of war.
Some of us have waited many many many decades for JFK and MLK Jr. justice so the Epstein people will have to put in their time. We need to choose our battles wisely and saving the United States of America should be at the top of the list and then justice can be served after that if possible.
Exactly. Countless numbers of us care, Mr. President.
You are wrong!
You need to realize maga is fluid and determined by the don.
I think Trump is finding out that MAGA is determined by the American people. American's have a built in sensitivity to pedophile predators. Trump has touched a hot burner. His pragmatism will get him only so far and he is finding out there ARE moral red-lines.
MAGA is made by Trump. If you don’t agree with him sending weapons to Ukraine you’re a blue hair Kamala voter. Sorry dude.
Silly boy, as a neocon proxy, KamelToe would have nuked Russia by now and put troops on the ground in Iran which, as a neocon yourself, you should know if you didn't have french fries for brains. But unfortunately for the NeoCons, their proxy candidate couldn't even get a nomination vote much less win an election (even if they did cheat)... LOL!
Harris was in charge the last 4 years and we had none of that.
We did have Trump bombing Iran directly which Harris didn’t do.
Sorry your girl lost :)
You are too funny 2Ns. "Harris was in charge"... LMAO. Maybe you and pedoNaziZilinski can team up and make a comedy act. I think you have the aptitude... just saying.