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BuelahMan's Revolt's avatar

"At the end of the day, who knows how much of the pandemic disaster was malevolence rather than arrogant incompetence, but it’s a conversation we must have. I can’t wait to see what comes next."

At this point, I seriously doubt that we are seeing simple incompetence. It really is obvious attempt at mass murder.

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Erin W's avatar

I think we’ve been fed the saying β€œdon’t mistake stupidity for malevolence” or whatever in the same way we were fed β€œconspiracy theorists.”

We tend to focus on the useful idiots involved, thinking it is stupidity. But, like the deep state, there is competency up higher that is TRULY evil and it’s the useful idiots that tend to get them caught.

The question is, do we ever get to the competent ones. Like…. β€œWho was Epstein working for?” Useful idiot caught. Trail goes cold.

Fauci caught. Trail goes cold.

I tend to believe these are sacrificial wolves.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Bingo! Useful idiots also includes all FDA and the Wuhan lab. But those who designed this, quite frankly, long thought out and planned democide are evil and should be hunted down with prejudice. If we do not do this, then they win and they will return with ever more horrendous horror. The trail STARTS with the Dept of Defense.

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GenEarly's avatar

The Trail "starts" with DOD but the Trials "Back" should (imo) begin with DOJ/FIB & DHS/ATF.

Of course, this is all conjecture, wishin & hopin as We/Me/You give Elections one more chance at a mostly peaceful path.

Don't put All our eggs in one basket is good advice. Si vis pacem para bellum my friend

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Politico Phil's avatar

I always have hope but realistically, I don't give us good odds. The murderous apex elite cabal will sacrifice any number of lower level useful idiots to throw us off the trail of revenge and then will, as Childers described, field a fresh set of narratives and useful idiots to lead us right back into their trap again.

It is a looong shot to ever be able to bring justice to bear on the apex elite who are responsible for impoverishing Americans (and the world) to THEIR benefit and deploying a genocidal weapon to radically "reduce" - ie, murder - the population of America and the rest of the planet.

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GenEarly's avatar

3% Fought in the Revolution, perhaps 30% supported them, and it took Years from 1775 to a peace treaty in 1783. Though Cornwallis surrendering at Yorktown did conclude the major military battles earlier.

So Let Us, we/me/you pre-pare in earnest.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/breaking-general-flynn-warns-of-new-staged-jan-6th-false-flag/

Si vis pacem para bellum

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Politico Phil's avatar

Amen brother

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Christy's avatar

All under a Trump presidency.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Not so! Through subterfuge and lies Trump was used to sign the authorization for the use of the bio-weapon but the ENTIRE plandemic and deployment of the bio-weapon was done under the Marxist OBiden regime.

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Jamie Williams's avatar

You are late for your TDS meds this morning, sweetie. We'll wait...

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JP Spatzier's avatar

We all loose … β€œit’s a big club and we ain’t in it”

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Shari Ray's avatar

You win!!!

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WP William's avatar

CDC Called yesterday; instituting an "Immunization Survey"; i told the woman to please call back Friday so that i can get my list of questions ready for her

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Roger Beal's avatar

If the CDC does call back, I suggest you answer in a fake voice and tell them that their subject died last night. Suddenly. Of unknown causes.

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WP William's avatar

According to CDC Website info...these are done via an organization in Chicago; totally random phone #s chosen by computer (like a lotto win?) various age demographics targeted for general statistics (since 1994). They don't know who they're calling (yeah right)

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Brenda Ping's avatar

Please come back and report how that call goes. I’m interested in what they asked AND what you ask.

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Jamie Williams's avatar

They called me years ago after I got Cdiff to find out if I got it from a dentist or a hospital (dentist). I would hang up on them now.

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WP William's avatar

looking it up on their website now in preparation

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CMCM's avatar

I wouldn't tell them a thing. No trust for what they would do with the information.

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Anna T's avatar

Make stuff up! Make it outrageous and silly and see if they fall for it.

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

WP, it’s probably some scammer up to no good. And they may or may not be actual employees of the CDC. I do not trust anyone or anything that has to do with the medical industry.

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striketheroot's avatar

IMHO the most survival-oriented question for Americans is "for whom is our government working?" IOW what "enemy state" has taken over and is preparing the U.S. for total takeover.

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SteelJ's avatar

So long as the only quarter pursuing genuine investigation is the marginalized alternative media, we're bringing knives to a gunfight. The alternative media has made pretty amazing inroads, so there's decent, but not sufficient progress there. The executive, legislative, and judicial branches are a very hard nut to crack. The DOJ and congress are incentivized to make sure your question is never answered. Trump and a Republican majority in both houses will help, but they'll all still be compromised, just less blatantly so. I hope the Trump groupies are right and he actually DOES drain the swamp this time, if elected. But past performance is always the best predictor of future performance.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Uniparty always yield$ to the lobbies.

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GenEarly's avatar

"Un-sacrificed as yet, wolves." Wolves do eat other wolves, and the Pack (Party) must be preserved at all costs. The Country or it's Citizens be damned. The Repubs can have a political CW between the Bushie Internationalists (NWO) and MAGA Populists; BUT the Bolshevik democRats seldom if Ever break ranks, though subterfuge is allowed to push even moar tyranny as in the House Squad Tactics. The Estab Quisling House Repubs & rinoRats have some dissenters (in the House Freedom Conference), but they are currently squashed.

Perhaps there is a Uni-Party in the District of Criminals & Tyrants....... eh, Comrades??? Gasp!!! Could they Even Be Malviolent !!! Look at their Actions, Not Forked Tongued Words.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Exactly. We are RULED by a Uniparty of tyranny. Their objective is to suck as much wealth out of Americans as they can, destroy the independent middle class and reduce us to a manageable few through democide. At this point, they are well north at achieving 60% of their goal.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Completely and totally.

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WP William's avatar

Ranked Voting will destroy the Uniparty! So the fraudsters tell us...it will only vanquish ALL MAGA-minded Republicans and institute outside $$$ control more effectively over a slate of Progressive candidates

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

We shall not be vanquished.

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Politico Phil's avatar

True.

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

when you start looking at actions only that's when you know a federal solution isn't possible. The sheriffs need to start arresting and charging people at the county level and the state attorney generals need to back them up. I sure hope that people will get behind https://rumble.com/v4w29fl-ivan-goes-on-man-in-america-may-16.html

Ivan Raiklin has a REAL PLAN.... not WWG1WGA..... it's an actual plan with actual authority. He's put his life out there on the line like a real man.

PLEASE GIVE HIS PLAN A CHANCE and let's do something!~!

He's talking arrest STrzok, Page, Brennan and Clapper and so many others who deserve to be arrested and tried. He's even talking about Joseph Piantke which is the agent who entrapped General Flynn. He wants Crossfire Hurricane prosecuted like they did WAtergate..

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GenEarly's avatar

Raiklin indeed does have a plan, and we/me/you need to furnish initial support in our local areas by exposing others to this link.

Spread the Word while getting pre-pared. Time is short, imo.

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Beckadee's avatar

Gotta get Elon on board first.

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banjocat's avatar

These wolves are locust - and they will eat each other. When that feeding frenzy begins that is the people's window to flip the script.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Speaking of flipping the script, is it a coincidence that the map of New Idaho looks like a plucky bird rising east of Oregon?

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banjocat's avatar

Does it?! LOL I lived in ID for 8 years... miss it.

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CMCM's avatar

I live (sadly) in California, but I visited my sister near Boise last year and felt like I was in the America I remember. Normal people, no weird stuff anywhere that I saw. I got very nostalgic being there.

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SteelJ's avatar

Good point about the highly competent higher-ups vs useful idiots. I think you're wrong about Fauci and Epstein being useful idiots though. Useful, yes. Idiots, no. Smart guys, both of them. Way above the millions of useful idiots below. Neither is top of the food chain, you're right about that. Hanging in a cell? Not exactly what happens to those at the top.

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CMCM's avatar

I agree...they are not stupid. But sometimes their extreme arrogance makes them careless, and we can catch them in the act, so to speak.

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Concerned mom's avatar

Truly... Pride goes before The Fall!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

They want us dead.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

I’ve been saying that for years. πŸ€¦πŸ»β€β™€οΈ

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Anyone who doesn't realize that is just asleep at this point.

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

What percentage of people do you estimate out there are asleep?

Just trying to get a read where you think it is.

I am thinking 50%. I think we have almost flipped it. I thought that when Trump won. That was the most unprecedented win that we had since maybe the 1940s. I knew the MSM propaganda was over then.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I live in a blue state.

I estimate that at least 75% asleep.

Even when I go to the VA and try to take about covid, and the draconian measures deployed, I either get severe disinterest or just a blank look.

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AngelaK's avatar

People have short attention spans and we have been conditioned to quickly move on from one hyperbolic media subject to another.

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

Our VA is awake to a certain degree. I know the head of the lab who admitted they amplified the PCR test for the Covid by 30!!!!!!! You can find ANYTHING you are looking for at that amplification......... he knew it was meaningless at that factor. I think we have started people moving toward the direction of the system has failed and now is super dangerous, which it is.

I sure hope you are doing ok Kathleen. I'm saying a prayer for you to be able to help your VA fellow patriots to understand where we are. God Bless you.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Meghan Kelly’s recent interview with the congenitally pompous Bill Maher laid bare a sleeping drone. He seemed completely ignorant of established facts much less the meaning of β€œfacts.” When confronted with them, he admitted he hadn’t heard them, labeled them β€œyour opinion,” and climbed right back on his high horse.

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WP William's avatar

99% of Leftists and 70-80% of center-right are tools or disengaged.

I did a recent outreach to 1,000 ACTIVE, participating Republican Voters and got one response back; Fk me--in a sense they deserve what they get from Progressive Predators

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Robin Greer's avatar

I can't imagine living in that kind of cult like state.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Respectfully suggest that you consider the wide difference between "asleep" and "in deliberate denial".

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SteelJ's avatar

My definition of asleep may differ from yours. There is no way anywhere near 50% see the reality. They stop taking jabs and vote the other way when they, despite their low level of awareness, sense things aren't working and at least have the grain of wherewithal to decide to try something else. As soon as they think the worst is over they'll flip back and support their beloved "thought leaders" and tyrants. Human nature doesn't change. Upwards of 90% are either unable to think for themselves, or so uncomfortable with where that leads that they will always outsource their ideas to the most effective propagandist.

IOW, "flipping" 50% or more to our side is what we need to do, but it doesn't mean they're awake. And they won't be reliable.

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rolandttg's avatar

We need to separate the asleep from the brain dead, the vote for a lamppost communists. I estimate perhaps 15-20 % of the population are unreachable, hopeless. Like anyone still supporting Biden, or wearing a mask (saw 2 young women in the parking lot today, and we shook our heads) , watching CNN or MSNBC for their information. Asleep? Guessing a third of the population hasn't a clue. So yeah, total of just under 50 % are still hopeless or normies. That doesn't mean the other 50 % are willing to stick their head above the parapet yet just because they know something is seriously wrong.

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WP William's avatar

Depopulationists are getting closer to openly Genociding masses of people--sterilization, abortion, euthanizing, all manner of disease and disabling, administering infertility...no limits

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Concerned mom's avatar

Seems like this is OLD news... "One patient, a 71-year-old female, tested positive for COVID-19 at the emergency room on June 23, 2021. She saw Dr. Lin in a telemedicine visit the following day. He prescribed her 12 milligrams of ivermectin daily for five days"

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Dena's avatar

The article was updated 5/23/24 from the original 5/17/24 date, so recent. The actual event may have occurred years earlier. These things take time to wind through the court system. Bottom line still can’t get IVM prescribed by a doc in my state. The medical harassment is ongoing.

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Concerned mom's avatar

Since I haven't been at the doctor for years now, (and not planning on it either) I would not know. BUT I have ordered it several times from AllDayChemist.com without a problem, so I'm well stocked for now.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

They want us dead and not just by vax. In third-world hot zones, our people go in handcuffed by orders like β€œget shot at first and ask questions later.” But in a Florida resort hotel where paperwork is guarded by our own Secret Service, a federal goon squad goes in with an order like, β€œshoot to kill.” No amount of β€œstandard procedure” makes this rational. Who will defend us from enemies, domestic?

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Brenda Ping's avatar

I suspect We will need to defend ourselves. Hopefully through lawsuits and the courts. Which is sort of working now.

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carily myers's avatar

We have no "official" defense.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Good points.

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Verve's avatar

But it's done in 3 stages: 1. Fat 2. Sick and then 3. Dead. That way all the Big Food and Big Harma get to line their pockets and make a killing*

(*pun intended, results may vary).

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BelleTower's avatar

Don’t forget demoralized … I think it came before β€œfat”

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Annie's avatar

Agree πŸ’―

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Dena's avatar

WA state continues to harass doctors trying to do their job of treating patients with IVM. My recommended Flccc doc was also threatened by WA health authorities with losing his license if he continues to prescribe IVM. https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/doctor-fined-for-prescribing-ivermectin-against-covid-19-post-5651103?utm_source=Morningbrief&src_src=Morningbrief&utm_campaign=mb-2024-05-22&src_cmp=mb-2024-05-22&utm_medium=email&est=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa%2BYydB0Gwc%2Fo674Pt2kXCLt3ShhSV972mD%2Fl1E%2BHheEv1Q%3D%3D

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Concerned mom's avatar

IS THIS CURRENT NEWS??? "One patient, a 71-year-old female, tested positive for COVID-19 at the emergency room on June 23, 2021. She saw Dr. Lin in a telemedicine visit the following day. He prescribed her 12 milligrams of ivermectin daily for five days"

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Michelle Dalsing's avatar

Not until AI is fully functional with robots.

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Pixie Prissy's avatar

πŸ’―

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Joanne Shannon's avatar

It’s become my mantra.

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Jack Bergeron's avatar

Dr. Michael Palmer M.D. (fired from his teaching position at the University of Waterloo Canada), described Covid and β€œvaccine” as an β€œextermination campaign” purposely designed to kill off humans.

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Mary H.'s avatar

It is ALL intentional. Could it be that their steady confessions of pandemic incompetence be a set up to ultimately place all blame on Trump ? They are truly masters of deception.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Seriously! It is obvious the plandemic was intentional. It was a world-wide coordinated genocide that REQUIRED decades of planning and development and billions of dollars. Anyone who says otherwise should be put in a hole and covered over.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Beyond reasonable doubt!! Ppl died! Ppl are still dying! Babies died, that should end abortion! Germans hung for as much! Hang and confiscate their assets and distribute to the remaining population! Let's live reinact Esther.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

In March, 2020, the Council on Foreign Relations declared the western world needed to be more like collectivist totalitarian China:

Past Pandemics Exposed China’s Weaknesses

The Current One Highlights Its Strengths

Foreign Affairs, March 27, 2020

https://web.archive.org/web/20200328050913/https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2020-03-27/past-pandemics-exposed-chinas-weaknesses

And in that story from the most influential international affairs publication in the world this book is cited:

Rural Health Care Delivery

Modern China from the Perspective of Disease Politics

Springer-Verlag Berlin Heidelberg, 2013

https://library.lol/main/DB87C08A174B849E1EB0476138787AED

('GET' .pdf download)

Disease Politics. It's a tried and true tactic of "fundamentally transforming a nationalist into a collectivist authoritarian one. This is what the pandemic attack was intended to launch. Largely successfully thus far.

My Stack on this highlights many chapter and section titles in the book. That give the Logic of Disease Politics away:

https://freedomfox.substack.com/p/the-devious-use-of-infectious-disease

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Politico Phil's avatar

Excellent analysis though beyond the understanding of everyday people who are concerned about daily life and providing for their own.

Most do not know that the German Nazi holocaust was also a "medically" driven campaign. The German Jews were a close-knit community that lived in their own neighborhood or ghetto. When a disease broke out in their ghetto, the Nazi gov't ordered all Jews to wear a yellow star on their clothing so "un-diseased" Germans could avoid coming in contact with them. So... the Jews became regarded as a diseased race. From there, the Jews became viewed as sub-human and a diseased threat to everyone. As a defective sub-human race, it was but as short step to marking them for extermination. All of this as promoted by the Nazi party. The same thing is happening here vis-a-vis the Marxist characterizing Christians as Theocratic terrorists. Mark my words. It's going to get a lot worse.

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rolandttg's avatar

You are a smart person, but I caution everyone from taking at face value what we have had drummed into our heads from birth. The people who write history are the same people who gave us the plandemic, Lee Harvey Oswald did it, the 9/11 song and dance, and all of the other psyops. The truth needs no law to protect it. Trust nothing and no one unless you truly verify it yourself, and that starts with forgetting Google even exists.

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CMCM's avatar

I was 14 when JFK was assassinated, and I saw Oswald get shot on live TV. Later I saw RFK get shot on TV. And then MLK was killed too. As young as I was, I always thought from that time onwards that what the government was telling us about it all didn't add up. I think I've been unable to trust what the government and politicians say from that point onwards.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Wise advice.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

True about most people's day-to-day concerns.

Here on Substack where long-form writing is more likely to be read and minds are more open to exploring history and analysis some of us try to introduce information that even some of the best and brightest curious minds haven't been exposed to before. In hopes that some of those minds decide to investigate further. And some of them take it a step further and massage the info down to a format that everyday people busy in their daily lives can take in and digest.

Hitler's Germany, Mao's China, Stalin's USSR all fit into an agenda that many looking more deeply into history are able to connect the dots to. "Disease Politics" was and is informed by a theory of the practice of medicine called "Medical Sociology." How to use infectious disease - the fear of - to "fundamentally transform a society:

https://www.sociologygroup.com/medical-sociology/

Medical Sociology is also tied to Marxist "Conflict Theory":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_theories

And Medical Sociology gave rise to an organization, "Association of Internes and Medical Students," that was disbanded and scattered to other medical sociology movements after it was associated with the Red Scare during the McCarthy Anti-Communist hearings:

"Association of Internes and Medical Students"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Internes_and_Medical_Students (AIMS)

AIMS helped midwife Disease Politics:

https://academic.oup.com/jhmas/article/74/2/127/5481292

It's interesting to note that "The other side of Obama's brain" Valerie Jarrett's father was a member of AIMS. And a eugenicist:

https://www.judicialwatch.org/communism-in-jarretts-family/

And it's also interesting to note that the American Society of Medical Sociologists were a part of John D. Rockefeller, Jr's emerging allopathic medicine-led eugenics campaign over a century ago. This New York Times story from 1913 lists many familiar names and characters from history like FDR, Edward Bernays, the Flexner brothers, who's subsequent work in many fields, primarily medicine and Pharma, banking, propaganda, industry, clergy, politics and academia are bound together by their underlying core belief in and support of eugenics:

Choosing Audience for Brieux Play

J. D. Rockefeller Suggests Those Who Have Aided White Slave Investigation

Social Workers Approve

The New York Times, page 13, February 23, 1913

https://www.newspapers.com/article/31090629/edward_l_bernays_medical_review_of/

Disease Politics. How the world is being fundamentally transformed into a collectivist totalitarian hellscape, in service to a eugenics-based master race society - that Hitler, Mao and Stalin all embarked on (with substantial US/UK investment and guidance). Communism and Fascism being different sides of the same centralized totalitarian coin. Just as the Council on Foreign Relations told us they had in store for us back in March, 2020.

It's taking us a awhile to connect all of the dots. But we're doing it. And as the picture of the world as it truly is becomes more clear we become better able to identify its weaknesses and defeat the enemies of individual liberty, personal sovereignty, and representative governance of the people, by the people, for the people.

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carily myers's avatar

Agree 100%. It's going to get alot worse.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

From the book's official description:

"Diseases are everyday, ordinary occurrences intimately related to people’s daily lives. However, as the metaphor of the β€œSick Man of East Asia” emerged against the backdrop of a weak modern China, health care and the curing of diseases were turned into grand state politics with far-reaching implications. This book, starting with the argument for diseases being metaphors, describes and interprets such incidents in China’s history as the Abolishment of Traditional Chinese Medicine, the Patriotic Hygiene Campaign and the Cooperative Medical Services. In an effort to reveal the internal logic of disease politics in the transformation of the state-people relationship, the book analyzes key aspects including the politicization and inclusion of diseases in state governance, the double disciplining of hygiene, legitimacy construction of the state, the remaking of the nationals, and the expansion of the β€œpublicness” of the state. The book argues that disease politics in modern China has developed following the path from nationals to the people, and then to citizens, or from crisis politics and mobilization politics to life politics. In addition, a marked change has occurred in China’s state building: increasingly standard, rationalized and institutionalized means have been employed while the non-standard means, such as large-scale mobilization and ideological coercion, had been historically used in China."

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MaryAnn's avatar

Michael Yon (journalist) spoke about China’s take over of Hong Kong: importing a few people, 100-150, at a time until there were enough CCP nationalists to quell/quash any dissent of the takeover.

Our open southern border appears to following the same process: a β€œfew” 1000 every day until the voices against NWO, WEF, WHO, takeover are the minority.

I am standing with Jesus. He is sovereign. β€œUnless the Lord builds a house, the work of the builders is wasted.” Ps 127:1

If Jesus is the architect of this plan, we are covered. If He is not, then these builders are wasting their time, money, energy. Nothing can stand against our God. March on!

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

That's The Spirit, MaryAnne. Let's turn it loose.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Agreed.

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Mary H.'s avatar

Amen!

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NAB's avatar

Yes, I believe the timing was coordinated with the on-going rise in populism throughout the West. Think of it as one, massive "color revolution" writ large.

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ElleSD's avatar

Excellent synopsis of some bizarre history. I like what you said about sharing the info even though it's heady and most people don't have the time to pay attention. If WE stop sharing the Truth it will cease to exist. We're planting seeds of knowledge with hope.

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ElleSD's avatar

AMEN!

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WP William's avatar

Wouldn't "data" show fake unprecedented seasonal worldwide flu pandemics in 2023 and now 2024 ravaging global populations since there was a faked re-set baseline of Zero flu in 2020, 2021, 2022(?), and now in our post-covid 19 era we have a return of flu perhaps a 100,000,000 % increase?!....WHO and CDC need to DO Something!!!

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Peace's avatar

Good point about resetting the (false) baseline of flu to Zero during those years!

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rolandttg's avatar

That is exactly what they are doing, but many more people are awake now.

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BelleTower's avatar

A hundred million percent increase πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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BuelahMan's Revolt's avatar

It seems to me that Trump's incessant claims to be Vax Daddy sorta proves that he is complicit (or a fool). So, yes, he is one of those who need to be prosecuted and hanged for mass murder. The gallows will be very long and many ropes.

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Michael Framson's avatar

Abuse Productions--you might appreciate the humor in this T-shirt.

https://merch.kennedy24.com/products/trump-fauci-give-us-another-shot-unisex-tee

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

I’m actually working on an article on this very topic! The topic of β€œDemocide” and its IF the pandemic disease was indeed malevolent.

PS: in order to understand, we need to understand Menticide, the systemic killing of an individuals mind: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/september-11th-and-menticide

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Tom's avatar

Consider for the article that the idea of epistemic responsibility was abandoned worldwide. The fallacy of the "appeal to authority" was the new rule.

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Rob D's avatar

Amen. And these people coming out now saying, "oopsie" we were lied to, are NOT apologizing for being complicit in destroying lives and businesses and maiming and killing millions of people. I don't trust any of these people because I'm sure when the next big thing comes along, they will do *exactly* what they did during "covid".

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BuelahMan's Revolt's avatar

As far as I am concerned, there are no "oopsies". Every person who is instrumental in this mass murder must be held accountable, and I include every stinking medical person who chided and cajoled their "patients" into the death jab.

But when it comes to the orchestrators, I want to see them all swing from the gallows, and as I have offered many times before, I will gladly pull the lever when they are prosecuted.

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OnTheJump's avatar

You'll need to hold a Lottery for that cherished opportunity....

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Politico Phil's avatar

Amen.

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CMCM's avatar

I agree. No oopsies! These people were in positions of immense power and were paid enormous salaries, and if they didn't or couldn't figure things out as thoroughly as many of us were able to very very early on, they absolutely should not have been in those positions. On the other hand, if they knew full well about it all and proceeded anyway, which it appears that they did, then there should be a harsh reckoning for them. No holds barred. For some reason, the concept of waterboarding keeps floating into my mind. Waterboarding or a full admission of guilt.

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BuelahMan's Revolt's avatar

So, you are basically asking for Nuremberg 2 trials (where they elicited confessions via torture)? Are we to use shrunken heads and fake human skin lampshades too? What about the soap? Can't we also use fake human soap?

Methinks there is ample real evidence to find them guilty. The issue is can we find a court who is not so tainted that it would prosecute. State prosecutors should already have enough evidence for indictments, at the very least.

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carily myers's avatar

Amen

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Lynn's avatar

I've been waiting (hoping) all the people that pushed and profited from this massacre would have a terminal vax injury. But alas, I'm sure they were either exempt or given a prophylactic. Except for the rat.... I want him to die a slow and excruciatingly painful death. I'd even volunteer to help administer it.

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Robin Landry's avatar

I am so happy that we are finally β€˜getting it’. It broke my heart to watch my friends and family succumb to the medical mafia. It was so lonely keeping what I knew to myself for so long.

But as least my husband, a believer in science, stuck by me and now thanks me for saying no.

Now, sadly, I watch people around me getting turbo cancers and heart issues. πŸ’”

I pray we are wiser now, because the enemy won’t stop until we uncover who they really are.

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

on my way to a child's funeral, cancer from diagnosis to death of 90 days. This stuff never happened before the vaxx. A horror of epic proportions is raging across our country. God help us to understand who is attacking us and what has to be done now.

https://rumble.com/v4w29fl-ivan-goes-on-man-in-america-may-16.html

This man has the answer that remains to us.

Have you heard of Ivan Raiklin?

He wants the sheriffs at the county level to do the arrests live streamed???

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Make friends with your constables, sheriffs, and local cops. Very few are woke or bought, and we're going to need all of them.

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Robin Landry's avatar

You won’t believe who the enemy is. I just posted a show that Rush Limbaugh did in 2004β€”and as strange as it is to believe, believing these people are not human is the keyβ€”or at least soulless.

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CMCM's avatar

Well, it sure seems most of them exchanged whatever souls they may have had for money and power.

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AngelaK's avatar

I will never think of science in the same way. I feel like it has moved on to Dr. Frankenstein.

Why is there still no cure for cancer?

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Personal anecdote, 2Β’: In conversation with a prominent M.D. at a prominent university not too long after 9/11 I said I thought the cure for cancer was out there but it was under lock and key. My comment was met with silence. No comeback, no argument, nothing. The conversation was quickly curtailed. To my mind, this was a tell, revealing I was on target. But what do I know? I have learned over time to trust my instincts, though. They rarely let me down. Actually, I can't think of any time they have. πŸ€”

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MaryAnn's avatar

Agree. A cousin, (by marriage), while doing post-doc research at a prominent academic institution discovered a mechanism for curing ovarian cancer 40 years ago. The results of his research is owned by the university and will never see the light of day. Needless to say, he was greatly disillusioned and discouraged. But, in his retirement, he resumes work toward an β€œend-around”. I pray for God to plow the road ahead of him.

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Fla Mom's avatar

If nothing else works out, perhaps he'd consider a guerrilla action - release everything electronically, as widely as possible, when/if he thinks he's close to being terminally ill. Nothing to lose then, and he'll have done great good in the world. Maybe develop a failsafe option in case of his sudden death, so the information is released anyway.

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MaryAnn's avatar

God is in this work πŸ™πŸ»

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Not surprised. A prayer for his continued, heartfelt good work. The truth will out. I think earth’s awake and awakening people are the vanguard for much that will come to light soon - in less than a generation. And it will advance apace. God bless Jeff Childers for his compilations. One of many historical documents for ages to come. Amen.

*edit: Like button not functioning.

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AngelaK's avatar

Wow, just wow.

I have heard that there is big $$$ to be made in chemo. Could that be it?

Who knows?

This is just plain evil.

I am sure that the evil of $$$ lies somewhere in that.

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~75 % of an oncologist's income comes from chemo. It is the only drug that is bought by the doctor and resold to the patient. Average salary of an oncologist was about $200K in 2000. There are more people (~660 K) working in the cancer industry than die of it in the US each year. Answer your question?

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Oh I agree that $$$ and control is behind the evil.

And, oh yes, big $$$ in chemo. When my sister was being treated w chemo more than a decade ago her monthly costs (paid by insurance) were $50,000. She didn't make it, btw. Got sicker and sicker. It wasn't the disease. Same happened w my dad back in the '70s. I am so clear that the business of medicine requires expensive tests, procedures and treatments - including chemo in all its forms, pills included - related only to symptoms, and precludes uncovering the source of a problem and thus a remedy or resolution leading to health. The di$ea$e maintenance $y$tem.

*edit: same like button not working issue folks have been noting over the past few days. πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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carily myers's avatar

LIKE and yes, my button has been off for over a week.

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AngelaK's avatar

I am sorry about your sister. 😒

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CMCM's avatar

My father got cancer in 1988 and died in 1989. My mother later said she believed it was his cancer treatments that did him in.

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CMCM's avatar

It's similar to diabetes 2. It's massively lucrative to get a person on insulin for life rather than treat diabetes and eliminate it through food choices and losing weight.

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AngelaK's avatar

😒😒

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

We've been busy creating cancer. It's the Frankenstein monster with none of the introspection and moral insight.

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CMCM's avatar

Because there is more money to be made in treating cancer and squeezing every last dollar out of that treatment.

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Robin Landry's avatar

What if cancer is the waste product of parasites? What if it puts our bodies into an acid state which starts the cells going into overdrive to to combat this rush of acid? What if sugar feeds these parasites? What if a cheap medicine we use on horses kills these parasites? Not to mention some herbs, one of which is calledβ€”Wormwood. Just like in the Bible.

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rolandttg's avatar

It is a parasite of sorts, but the reason it develops is our body is already in a (very) acid state due to SAD (standard American Diet). Cancer cells don't start untill the body's ph reaches 6.7. . And yes, fenben does work on cancer killing. My wife swears that it, more than anything else, killed her cancer .

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Robin Greer's avatar

Definitely done with ill intentions.

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BBS's avatar

The Democrats' across-the-board destruction of this country is definitely intentional. Everyone needs to stand up and be counted in ways great and small. If not now, when.

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BuelahMan's Revolt's avatar

How silly must one be to partisan such a death cult. The reTHUGlicans were instrumental. It could not have happened without them and their Vax Daddy, Trump.

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Politico Phil's avatar

The entire Uniparty was "instrumental". The NeoCon Reps and the Marxist Dem. They were all useful idiots. No matter who was in office as POTUS, nothing would have changed. These politicians are only the useful idiots. The ones who planned and controlled all of this horror are much higher up.

Trust me, there is a money trail and all that has to be done is follow the money trail and it will lead right to those evil demons who need to be executed.

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

I no longer give any attention or money or support to the federal government. They have committed suicide and I am trying to get out of the way of their fall. They are dead men walking trying to hold on with each gasp.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

How many of us would abruptly stop paying taxes on the count of one, two, three, go, and then brace for the consequence? Maybe the governors of Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana… could orchestrate that in protest of the fed under a shield like β€œmisappropriation of funds.” Legal precedent, the Boston Tea Party.

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Joanne Shannon's avatar

β€œLockdowns” were from the Bush Administration.

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Roger Beal's avatar

The concept of two political parties at this point is just bread and circuses. See Politico Phil's comment, below.

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Peggy B's avatar

Jeffrey Tucker’s theory only holds water if you believe that viruses have been methodically isolated from the secretions of ill individuals and proved to be contagious per Koch’s postulates. See Dr. Tom Cowan’s book « The Contagion MythΒ Β».

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banjocat's avatar

"like".. button still not working for me. More people need to wrap their minds around this and the spell of virusmania will dissolve removing yet one more trick from their bony sleeves.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Hit "like", wait a bit, then hit "refresh".

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carily myers's avatar

Mine's been off for over a week. "refreshing" does nothing. Substack Support is fully AI-absolutely useless. My only quick option is the ^ for supporting a commenter.

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MaryAnn's avatar

I had success getting the β€˜like’ back when I cleared all my open apps, etc, and powered off my phone.

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banjocat's avatar

Tried that! It just ain't workin' for me anymore... ;)

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shayne's avatar

It seems there's a great awakening of the American public going on. And it's about time. Sadly for many the damage is done.

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Annie's avatar

Murder. Crimes against humanity.

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ChrisB's avatar

Yes πŸ”₯

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AJF's avatar

To quote Margaret Anna Alice, "Mistakes were not made"

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daverkb's avatar

C19 ... plain as day:

1) bioweapons development/mass liquidations/population degradation

2) financial melt-down cover-up (and always something now to blame)

3) 'green deal' funding/grifting

4) totalitarian implementation facilitating

BUT NEVER ANY CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS. WHY?

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daverkb's avatar

It's a bad joke at our expense. A really bad joke. And most, including a preponderance of those here, are as the blind. And we are now a remnant of a remnant. And I cannot see any of this ending well, not for us in our earthly wrap.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Sometimes I have to mentally pinch myself to make sure I am actually thinking right. I mean, they read the exact same words I read and they don't see it! I suppose we now know how Elijah felt.

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Roger Beal's avatar

For the same reason there'll never be a vote on a balanced budget amendment, or on term limits for Congress. When billions are available for the grifters, there will be no prosecutions and no "yes" votes.

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daverkb's avatar

I am at the point, and have been so for quite a number of years, where I say we have no proper de jure government. Only a de facto pretense of government. Think Mafia, War Lord-ism, crime syndicate ... words like these. That this, and to the point, we are stateless people ruled by thuggish tyrants. This is not a good place to be.

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CMCM's avatar

Also, all the politicians promise the moon to their constituents, and then they have to corrupt themselves to deliver the goods, if at all. They keep promising, and meanwhile, they get very very rich. It's quite a circle

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carily myers's avatar

Amen

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nancylee's avatar

absolutely. they openly advertise wanting to reduce OUR numbers to 500 million. Does anyone think they are joking? they are deadly serious. and to reduce the rest of us to compliant, incapable of rational thought drones.

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carily myers's avatar

Malice, not mistakes. Culling the herd takes alot of years of planning. This scandemic/Vax has been planned for decades, if not centuries.

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Kathy Sincere's avatar

Mistakes Were Not Made: An Anthem for Justice by Margaret Anna Alice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueUXNL-A3Zg

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

But as for me, I shall sing of Your strength;

And I shall joyfully sing of Your lovingkindness in the morning,

For You have been my stronghold

And a refuge in the day of my distress.

O my strength, I will sing praises to You;

For God is my stronghold, the God who shows me lovingkindness.

β€” Psalm 59:16-17 LSB

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Wonderful reminder to β€˜sing praises to God,’ and recount, each day, our many blessings!

Thank you.

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Susan Seas's avatar

Perfect timing in the thread because my head was going to some murderous places. He is my refuge in the day of my distress. πŸ’—

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Susan Catherine's avatar

I was just going to say something similar. I sort the comments as Newest First and read down to the last. My blood just boiled more and more as we gathered and commented on these evil government people and then I reached Janice's comment of Psalm 59---I took a deep breath.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

I haven’t read Jeff’s post yet, but maybe I don’t want to. 😣

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Concerned mom's avatar

Right?

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LS Woodruff's avatar

Same, amen!

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

I love that it speaks of His strength, not ours.

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NancyP's avatar

Much needed this scripture today. Thank you, Janice

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Julie Ann B's avatar

I love this choice of Scripture Janice! I’m overwhelmed when I think of Almighty God, β€œmy stronghold” and what His lovingkindness actually means! Blessing upon blessing!

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

On my way to the funeral of a child. Cancer from diagnosis to death was 90 days. IN other words turbocancer. I just can't even tell you how upset I am about the murder that has gone on. The dead don't even know they have been murdered. I am just incapacitated by how terrible this is. It's like the holocaust is happening next door in "ZONE OF INTEREST" and people are just acting like everything is just FINE!

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

So very sorry Deborah E. dds, yes, it is the holocaust.

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AngelaK's avatar

Vaccinated? πŸ€”πŸ˜’

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Based Florida Man's avatar

I couldn't recall if lovingkindness was really spelled that way in the bible.

It sure is. Essentially "tender and benevolent affection".

more: https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/lovingkindness/

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BelleTower's avatar

Ah yes back to the REAL story …

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Concerned mom's avatar

I so appreciate that you are faithful to post God's Word on a daily basis. Truly, THIS is ALL that is necessary.... THANK YOU!

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rolandttg's avatar

Must watch Tucker interview with Erik Prince.

I hope everyone has subscribed to Tucker's TCN. Just watched this almost 2 hour interview with Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater. I usually do other things while listening to podcasts, but this one was so engrossing I actually watched it all with my full attention. I have a very different opinion of Prince after watching this, and newfound deep respect.

I heard about his smartphone before, but now I understand a lot more. There does not seem to be a compelling reason to buy from Apple or Google anymore.

One of the many things he talks about is the smartphone he developed and cells. He vertically integrated it, from the design and construction of the phone itself to the software. Anyone with a smart phone should seriously consider buying his . It is untrackable , and does not allow anything you send to be stored or tracked. No ads will appear on your phone, and apps you download cannot monitor you. There is a 5 second delay when you call someone, because your call is being encrypted. The encryption will be different for every call. You can call or text any other type of phone, and the protection will still be there. If you are going through an airport and are asked to hand over your phone, there is a Dump button which will erase everything on the phone. The Off button on the phone disconnects the battery from the electronics. The phone is really off like our flip phone. You cannot turn off an I Phone or an Android phone. The mike, camera, GPS are always On. So if you store your phone in your bedroom, everything you say, or do, is being recorded, dumped about 3 am, and stored for life. The latest renewal of the FISA act was much more than a renewal. Prince said it compels all companies to turn over all data on "any person of interest that ANY federal employee" requests. And the company is NOT allowed to tell. you. Think about that.

The phone is $989. http://www.unplugged.com/tucker.

We are now seriously considering buying this smart phone, which would be our first smart phone. It would eliminate all of the objections we have to having an always tracked and traced and monitored smart phone.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

So instead we gonna have Blackwater .. who runs our Govt army ops .. sell us out communications πŸ€·β€β™€οΈπŸ€·β€β™€οΈπŸ€·β€β™€οΈ. It’s like trusting Elon Musk to be your free speech advocate.

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rolandttg's avatar

As I just told someone else, I thought the same thing until I listed to the man speak. Watch it and make up your own mind, or continue to trust the same people who gave you the plandemic, the Ukraine war, and the stolen elections.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

They make the problem & supply the solution …

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CMCM's avatar

At this point, I don't totally trust ANYONE.

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Johnny-O's avatar

That is where my mind went...

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Austin's avatar

Or, it's like trusting Elon Musk, owner of Neuralink, to be you brain surgeon.

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Jack Bergeron's avatar

Where would Musk’s Tesla be today if the government hadn’t provided cash incentives for people to buy them? Who has enough influence to get to use NASA’s launch facilities to send rockets into space? The coming Central Band Digital Currency needs worldwide internet access to be effective as possible for banking and nefarious purposes. Musk’s StarLink is now fully operational providing internet access throughout the world. X (formerly Twitter and heavily censored) has allowed conservative voices to be heard once again with the side effect of allowing the deep state to hear and eventually target.

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Susan Catherine's avatar

πŸ€”

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JP Spatzier's avatar

I like Tucker but he’s a Tier 2 gatekeeper.. only telling half truths .

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Concerned mom's avatar

I believe THOSE are called LIES...

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Michele's avatar

Yup. I'm all, gee, and what are YOU doing with our data? This was a joke, and especially the 9 mins they clipped out for YT--now THAT was a commercial.

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J Boss's avatar

While reading your comments on the power button not turning offost smart phones, the design question of why to prevent customer removal of the battery expanded: perhaps the was a requirement pushed or forced by the intelligence government controllers to prevent spying by temporarily removing the battery. Sneaky but easy way to minimize that...

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

I've just put my phone in the drawer. I lived without a phone for 30 years of my life, I can certainly live without them again.

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TB's avatar

From an engineering perspective, the obvious reason is that making a removable battery means making a removable back cover, space to slip the battery in and out, plus clearance space for things to move past each other etc - resulting in a noticeably fatter phone, and consequently less "selling points" and less profit. (Realistically, most phones will either be damaged or obsolete before the battery wears out, anyway.)

For those who are especially "paranoid", you can buy faraday bags that block all communication from the phone to anything else (of course, you can't USE the phone while it's in the bag).

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Nancy Fahey's avatar

Yes. I listened to Erik, scared the bejesuse out of me….Please, Tucker has has some great people on…even Aaron Rogers was surprisingly interesting/smart….Why do we need this phone? How come all I have to talk about around my phone and then all of a sudden I start getting ads for stuff…scary…k

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

My brother, who used to compose digital music for Apple games, so like beyond tech savvy, told me 5 years ago that after he had conversations in the vicinity of his phone, he would start getting ads for anything he'd talked about that could be marketed to him. If I suspected this, everyone would chalk it up to me being a long time conspiracy theorist lol, but him saying it is another thing. I don't have a smart phone, but I don't even trust this laptop anymore, even with Ubuntu.

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Peace's avatar

I had a discussion (in person) with someone about a family member needing oxygen. Within the hour I received ads for pulmonary therapists. Quite the niche market to just show up after that discussion. My phone was about 3 feet away from me (and turned on, but not active).

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Demonstrable facts.

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Nancy Fahey's avatar

Just for shits and giggles I talk to my phone about ridiculous stuff, I know someone is listening…(ps…years ago living overseas my friend told me her husband (a techie) was actually brought over to work on phones to spy on us…She warned me (and this is 35 years ago) to be careful talking on the phone. What I remember was she said β€˜certain’ buzzwords would trigger and tape conversations…scary!

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

I never get anything like that on my iphone. But then, Siri is turned off. (In fact, anything questionable is turned off) Could Siri be the culprit - after all, it is always listening for "Hey Siri"

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Demonstrable facts. [Cue Twilight Zone theme.] Siri spelled backward is iris. Like the all-seeing eye on the back of a dollar bill? Any number of random conversations I've had near my phone generate specifically related ads the next day. I can swear to that. Erik Prince says there's a massive digital and centralized data download every day off of cell phones. We've been monetized, and we're being categorized.

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NofloChick's avatar

Agree, it was scary but informative. And yes, I was surprised about Aaron Rogers also. He is very well read/smart as you said. I didn't agree with some of his ideas/politics but he's no dummy.

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Robin Landry's avatar

There are bags you can buy that act as faraday cages for your phone and other electronics. I use mine for a carry case for my computer when I travel.

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rolandttg's avatar

That still will not keep all of the phone companies, app makers, governments, and advertisers from hovering up your data when you use your phone.

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J Boss's avatar

So was this a 2/hr infomercial?

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Valerie's avatar

Not at all, he talked about his phone only the last part of the interview.

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rolandttg's avatar

It took up perhaps 15 minutes at most. Why are most people falling into the trap of what we see all the time, people reviewing books they never read. Listen, and then speak please.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Ditto that, Ro. Knee-jerk cynicism is getting normalized, but it’s a trap that isolates us when we need each other’s backs. Spiritual warfare calls for discernment. β€œI am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves” (Matthew 10:16). β€œDo not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will isβ€”his good, pleasing, and perfect will” (Romans 12:2).

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Dena's avatar

I wanted a new phone & did order it. It will arrive today. You can also sign up for his suite of services to equip your existing phone with privacy & vpn capabilities. $12.99 month cost. Check out https://unplugged.com/pages/up-suite.

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ChrisB's avatar

Wow! Definitely checking this out. I hope Prince has good security.

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King Cavalier II's avatar

LOL... I have read his book and followed him due to a business interest in the industry years ago. If anyone on earth has good security, it's Mr. Prince. RFK, Jr should contract him instead of the Secret Service.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

He's his own security! lol

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

And he flies commercial coach! It's good to be not afraid.

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NofloChick's avatar

I watched as well. Everything they talked about was interesting.

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Janet's avatar

Elon did a poll recently proposing an X phone. Sounded similar to Prince’s phone. No price mentioned.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Thanks for sharing. I'll have to watch it. I've fallen behind watching Tucker interviews.

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LuAnne's avatar

What was your opinion of Prince before you watched this interview? I watched the interview but I know nothing about him or blackwater. His phone product interested me. Does anyone know if VPN service is just as good to become unidentifiable on cell phones? I have Nord VPN on my laptop that I use religiously but not on my android phone. Nord has a cell phone version.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

He's one of millions who took the oath to defend his country against all enemies foreign and domestic. By all appearances, he takes that seriously. We need to align ourselves with such people.

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NofloChick's avatar

I use Nord VPN on my laptop and my phone. Works good. No spam anymore in my email accounts.

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Peace's avatar

Is Prince still with Blackwater? Huge red flag if he is still associated with them.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

The security firm, not the financial investment group. Same concerns?

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Fla Mom's avatar

No, he sold it, after it was no longer even called Blackwater. If you don't know that, what do you think you know about "Blackwater" that is concerning?

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Concerned mom's avatar

BUT don't you still have to use Apple or Google for the Apps???

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Chris Kanon's avatar

Secure? Only if you put your trust in proprietary software. LibertOS is not open source along with the many other issues outlined here: https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/08/19/1058243/erik-prince-wants-to-sell-you-a-secure-smartphone-thats-too-good-to-be-true/

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Roger Beal's avatar

You've been able to buy "de-Googled" smart phones for at least three years, withOUT needing to trade with Blackwater's stooges: https://de-googled.com/

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rolandttg's avatar

Watch the video. I thought the same way you did until listening to the video. Never underestimate the ability of the wholly captured stooge media to smear virtually anyone's name. And to show you how strongly I now feel about this, part of the reason I am considering doing this is to support his efforts, and him. Make your mind up after hearing his side of the story. It's kinda like the Germans. Nobody wanted to hear their side of the story of how WWII came to be, and it sure ain't anything like the crap we were told. Good War my ass.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Will do.

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Fla Mom's avatar

And it's not even named Blackwater anymore, hasn't been for years, and he doesn't own it anymore, either.

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TB's avatar

So, it's "blackwater guy" vs "hong kong company that might be under the control of CCP"? Tough choice..

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Does it do everything a regular smart phone does? Excellent photos, the ability to store them on the cloud, and connectivity to Facebook and Instagram?

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Roger Beal's avatar

You lost my interest at "store them on the cloud, and connectivity...."

Why invest in a secure device, then leave the back door wide open?

The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. And you don't know his/her name.

Order a CD/DVD burner drive from Dell and start backing up your photos and documents on physical media - not bubble memory SSDs but real tangilbe media. As an examply of WHY you should do this with stuff you really want to store longterm and protect, I offer you the example of the vinyl LP record. First widespread use was in the 1940s ... and they are still 100% playable today.

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rolandttg's avatar

Bingo. Excellent comment. His device allows you to automatically set a "good bye' to any data you have, ie sent / received E mails or texts . And 100 % agree download your photos somewhere else. Other than my contacts, I don't care to save anything on my flip phone or SAT phone. How many times have the government goons procured phones and hung people with what was store on them?

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rolandttg's avatar

you can download apps, take photos, and access social media. I don't have a smart phone, for the reasons he designed and marketed this one, so my knowledge is restricted to what he said, and what I have gleaned elsewhere. I have no idea about the cloud, but not sure why you would want this. After downloading the latest Apple operating system, not really a choice, I get pop ups multiple times an hour to connect to the cloud. It takes me 3 clicks every time to get rid of it. Screw the cloud. How can anything be safe if stored there?

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Karen Bandy's avatar

My tech help people told me to store photos on the Cloud. Guess I didn’t think it through. I do a harddrive backup too but I don’t think it does photos, or maybe the Cloud is extra β€˜protection’. I just blindly follow what they say, my eyes cross when it comes to tech. My problem. Btw, I don’t get annoying backup notices.

Thanks for your advice.

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TB's avatar

"Cloud" is easy to use, and it can constantly back things up without having to do it manually each time (more than once I've been bitten because I hadn't run backup up recently enough before something went wrong). The trade-off is that it's usually on someone else's server that you don't control, so... the question is how much you trust google/apple/whoever.

My attitude is "if the government wants to get you they're going to do it regardless", so I'm mostly concerned about privacy leaks from private companies. I don't have any "naughty photos" or incriminating stuff, so I'm willing to trust non-sensitive things to "the cloud"; the more sensitive stuff I encrypt first before backing up to anywhere I don't directly own. Your own threat model may vary.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Exactly, nothing to see here. Nature, cats, dogs, painting photos, and jewelry photos. I’m not worried.

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Dr Jen | Syringa Wellness's avatar

Where are they sourcing the hardware from? China? πŸ§πŸ€”

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rolandttg's avatar

Indonesia and Singapore, so save the frowny faces. Prince is nobody's fool.

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

β€œAnd He said to me, β€œMy grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.”

‭‭II Corinthians‬ ‭12‬:‭9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

https://bible.com/bible/114/2co.12.9.NKJV

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Thank you Ed!

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Bee A Patriot's avatar

My dad, my dad who poopoo’d so much of what I shared with him and mom while I was fighting to keep my career,begging,begging them not to take β€œit”, actually sent ME that Epoch article.

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RU's avatar

Interesting. My mom who was all-in on the shots - she got them all, plus flu "vaccine" b/c her nurse friend told her they were safe - recently came around to the conclusion "these shots are hurting people." I think the tide has turned more than we know.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

If enough of the angry-vaxxed continue to wisen-up, maybe we can get some retribution.

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RU's avatar

I think at this point there are so many the only thing holding back a reckoning is the unstated prohibition against talking about it. Once that seal is broken, things will move very quickly.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I sure hope so!! Thanks for your anecdote, it is very encouraging!!

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Bee A Patriot's avatar

And he even pondered if some of his health issues may be a result of β€œit”!

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PamelaZelie's avatar

I find that very encouraging. Perhaps, one day, my own close relatives will come around. Here’s praying …

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Peace's avatar

Progress indeed. This also means he may be open to some of the latest therapies outsides the mainstream medical industry that could help with some of his health issues.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

That’s fantastic progress! Thanks.

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FourWinds's avatar

Jeff's C&C is the only reason my dad saw the light and won't go near the "boosters". I could not convince him.

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NAB's avatar

WHOA. Those are the anecdotes that mean something.

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YYR's avatar

This all seems like a limited hangout to try to blame Trump for COVID and the response. Just saying.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Great Awakening!

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CeeMcG's avatar

Progress! πŸ™πŸ»

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Covid, and the "vaccines," are bioweapons.

They tried to kill us.

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Joanne Shannon's avatar

Covid was the cheese and the β€œvaccines” are the mousetrap.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

It was always about getting the "vaccine" into arms.

And to see just how far the world would put up with tyranny.

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FourWinds's avatar

Right, 100%. Planned from the start. I always thought, and still do think, it was a dress rehearsal for scamdemic 2.0. But, there are a lot more people than before calling b.s. and I don't think it will go as easily as they think it will.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

SPARS document detailed the plandemic. First heard about the document from Alex Jones on Infowars.

Here is the link...it is frightening how it was all planned out.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/sites/default/files/2022-12/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf

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Bryan Dair's avatar

They outlined their plans in the SPARS document,

then Event 201 was their full dress rehearsal.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Yes, I heard about, and read through SPARS, after Alex Jones reported on it.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Why do you use the past tense? They are actively trying to kill us as I type this comment.

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carily myers's avatar

Amen

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Correct.

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Dr Jen | Syringa Wellness's avatar

Those who were subjected, and succumbed, to the protocol because of a positive (sketchy) test were murdered by those applying the protocol.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

AND Pennsylvania and Michigan cheated : )

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

And they will cheat again!

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Pixie Prissy's avatar

πŸ’―

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Scott's avatar

The new and improved map of Idaho sure looks like an emoji giving a thumbs up. IMHO

:-)

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Dr Jen | Syringa Wellness's avatar

We need more liberty minded people in north Idaho too. Our primary on Tuesday revealed that we are more purple than red.

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Jackie J's avatar

Californians are moving to Idaho and voting blue-they vote for the exact policies they’re trying to escape. It’s weird…and predictable. They’ve been doing it to Nevada for 2 decades.

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SadieJay's avatar

Boise is blue...so is Sun Valley.

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CMCM's avatar

I think people don't connect their voting to the policies they don't like. I can't imagine why not, though.

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Ruth H's avatar

Moving to TX and doing the same. 😩 Trying hard to make San Antonio like Austin.

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Pat Wetzel's avatar

Don't say that! After seeing how utterly screwed up AZ is, I'm moving to ID in September. Also moving for the fantastic outdoors.

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SadieJay's avatar

There is no where left to go. Just look at Western MT.

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Sandy Wilson's avatar

I was thinking it’s looking more like giving the middle finger! πŸ˜‚

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Scott's avatar

Ha ha!

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ChrisB's avatar

Del Bigtree and Aaron Siri over at The Highwire have been hitting it out of the park with their coverage of the scamdemic and the ensuing lawsuits. Siri is a fantastic lawyer who has been fighting for the vaxx injured for a long time and seems fearless. He is now helping a woman who signed up as a test subject for the Astra Zeneca "trials" and was injured, sue Astra Zeneca for her vaxx injury. I highly recommend the podcast, it is chock full of timely info every single week.

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SJacob1957's avatar

I never miss Mr. Bigtree’s podcast/show. ICAN is the one place I donate to. They are responsible for the residence of Mississippi gaining back their religious freedom against vaccination and attending public schools. They are working on the other five states with a campaign called free the five.

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Jeff C's avatar

What I love about Del (been following him since I first woke up the hard way regarding kid's vaccines fifteen years ago) and Aaron is that they stick to the facts. They don't venture into wild conspiracies that don't have facts behind them. The facts as they stand are damning enough, we don't need to go down the "nanabots activated by 5G signals" path.

That doesn't mean the wild conspiracies as wrong, as I'd put nothing past these ghouls at this point. But Del and Aaron are smart, and they know that assertions without facts are counter-productive and ultimately discrediting. Any untrue claim will be seized on to discredit the messenger. The mRNA jabs have all sorts of awful *proven* issues (toxicity of the NLP, toxicity of the spike, DNA contamination, potential for genome integration, etc.) that are completely sufficient to take down the jabs and those who pushed them. If they start talking about nanobots then a huge portion of the population instantly tune out and roll their eyes. "There they go again."

I wish more of the public figures supposedly on our side would exercise some discretion rather than coming off as carnival barkers spouting off about things they don't really know and can't possibly understand. At best it's poor judgement, but I think it's more malevolent than that. They have created a "brand" that makes money scaring people with over the top fear-mongering. It's no different than the scare tactics used by the left IMO. There's always the possibly too that they are bad-faith chaos agents deliberately trying to discredit the proven problems via guilt by association.

Del and Aaron are the good guys no doubt about it. If you want to be entertained search for the video of Aaron's deposition of Stanly Plotkin ("the father of vaccines"). He had that condescending, atheist worm squirming in his seat as he forced Plotkin to answer some very hard question. Clearly the man has a God complex.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I hope they address β€œ shedding β€œ soon. It’s real . Living it.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

Thanks!

I know many vaccines shed by design

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Jeff C's avatar

The problem with shedding is that there's no understood mechanism that can explain it, except in minuscule quantities. Neither the mRNA itself nor the spike protein can replicate (that we know of) unlike an actual virus which can produce millions of copies of itself. That's what "shedding" originally meant with respect to live virus vaccines. Another person actually caught the disease from the vax recipient and the virus *replicated* within the victim (who is typically immune compromised).

Clearly something serious is going on with people who think they are victims of shedding and I don't mean to belittle what you are going through in any way. But without a plausible mechanism that explains it then they can't really delve into it without being tarred as tin-foil hat people. This would then discredit work the work they have done where there is a clear biological mechanism.

God willing we will figure out the shedding issue and find a way to help people like yourself. But without a clear mechanism then it's virtually impossible to prove a causal relationship. Your symptoms could be from something else that's completely unrelated to the vax is what will be argued. The only other method is a clear statistical correlation (e.g. people who share a home with a vax recipient get it but people who don't then don't get it) and that's virtually impossible to prove since we are all around people who got the vax in one way or another.

I'm sorry to have to say this but for the reasons I outline above they really can't address it. That's just the way the world works. People who are victims of shedding are going to be on their own, unless someone proves a mechanism. The good news is that you are a smart person, and working with other like-minded, smart people you can research treatments that may work. The spike protein detox routines for vax recipients (that Dr. McCullough and others discuss) may be helpful as the root cause is likely the same.

God bless and I say all this not to discourage you but the opposite. One thing I've learned is we have to take action ourselves, particularly if it's unlikely others will. For the reasons I state above, I don't think we'll see much on shedding even if vax harmed recipients are eventually vindicated. There's a clear mechanism there and it's much easier to statistically compare vaxxed vs unvaxxed compared to shedding.

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Jeff C's avatar

Thanks and I'll check out it when I get a chance. I've read a bunch of stuff from Kory and respect his work but from what I've seen he still cannot explain the mechanism beyond hand-waving type stuff.

Here's where I am:

- Clearly (what we call) shedding is real and something is going on with people who are victims. They aren't making it up.

- It's very likely related to spike protein toxicity and spike detox routines are worth a try

- The mechanism traditionally applied to "shedding" where a virus replicates in the victim isn't applicable here as the mRNA or spike can't do that (as far as we know)

- Calling it "shedding" actually may be counter-productive as it makes it easy for the pharma shills to "debunk" it (based on no mechanism)

- Perhaps there is some hidden replicating feature of the mRNA vax that's been hidden but if so no one has found it

My household is completely unvaxxed including my wife. Like you, I also have some chronic health issues (mostly just annoying rather than debilitating for me) that popped in 2022. I spend virtually no time with vaxxed people in any intimate sense yet I got something too. For me it's likely a remnant from actually having covid rather than shedding.

The real issue though for me, is the proliferation of fear. If the vaxxed are all now shedding and supposedly a danger to the unvaxxed then we are right back where we were in 2021. Back then the unvaxxed were the disease spreaders (supposedly) but now the vaxxed are the disease spreaders (due to shedding). We risk turning into the very ugly people the vax zealots became unless we know conclusively we are right. We don't without a mechanism or a statistical correlation. So far we have neither.

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Michele's avatar

Shedding is 100% real anecdotally and in my experience, AND I totally agree with you abut the way it is framed putting us right back into fear-mongering, 'contagion'-paranoid frame of mind and behavior. Personally I think it has to do with human biofield but that is a barely-researched item already.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I had bleeding in menopause after my elderly family got jabs, headaches and stiff neck since. Showering and changing clothes seems to help, as well as using clear nasal spray in public. And extra olive leaf supplements.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I hear you on Kory .

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

These are the only ones I have found so far. Thanks for your comment.

I have chronic inflammatory response syndrome from biotoxin mold illness. Very hard to find a doctor who understands it. At the office we call it β€œ long covid β€œ to stay under the radar. We don’t discuss morgellons either. I am reluctant to take the enzymes, I have issues with muscle tone and wasting from the mold illness.

I pray for discernment often!

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I believe it is new territory with the nano technology and shedding is technology. Not traditional virus shedding. And I haven’t been able to eat spinach in 4 years, unless I grow it myself. Why’s it taste like metal? Nano technology? My stomach thinks so.

I’m the canary in the coal mine for you guys, Lyme and a bad booster years ago, morgellons , and then mold sickness and now this shedding nonsense .

I have had a tin foil hat a while now.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

We need a new term for the technology shedding.

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ChrisB's avatar

I agree with you wholeheartedly, and that deposition of Plotkin has NEVER left my mind-God complex is so accurate.

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Pastor Mike's avatar

Some Podcasters REALLY don't like Bigtree

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NAB's avatar

Yes! I heard about this case the other day when watching John Campbell on YouTube. Plaintiff is Brianne Dressen - injured by one dose of AZ in the trial. Her story is terrible. She is an amazing person and I can't imagine a better ambassador for the vaccine-injured. She is also co-founder of React-19, a group looking to get compensation and accountability for the vaccine-injured.

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ChrisB's avatar

Her story is so heartbreaking.

I was trying to remember React-19 as I was typing my post, thanks for filling in the blank!

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Joanne Shannon's avatar

Yep! The Highwire covered Daszak in the Spring of 2020. They have been way ahead of the curve in reporting news. I have been watching since September 2017, so it became obvious to me that the goal has always been about the β€œvaccine”. I have tried to get people I know to watch his weekly show, but I’ve been told numerous times that all the dissenting voices are only trying to make money. Of course, this doesn’t include pHarma! I have 3-5 dead relatives and numerous friends and family with ongoing health issues. My mantra: β€œThey want us dead.”

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Nicki's avatar

I, too, have been watching (and donating) since long before the β€œpandemic”. They’re doing fantastic work.

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reality speaks's avatar

It’s disgusting that Fauci’s assistant is still employed by the Tax payers of this country. He lied and broke laws and regulations and yet we continue to fed him. The Republicans have no gonads. Charge him pick him up send him to Gitmo to rot until he gives up the truth on Fauci and the rest of the liars.

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Janet's avatar

Where is the traitor at the FOIA office? Is she still there? She should be fired and her future pension removed. Now.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

No one ever gets fired from a US government job.

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Janet's avatar

She will fail β€œup”

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

No kidding.

I was stationed in DC for 8 years and never saw one federal government worker fired.

Or even admonished.

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Robin Greer's avatar

I actually worked for the government and saw people fired. One, who was in training and a new employee, was apparently mentally unstable and had been telling the director how to do his job. I was his direct supervisor/trainer. Came in one day and his computer was removed and he was sitting at a desk with nothing to do. They gave him 2 weeks to just sit there before termination. It was really weird. The doctor in the office was caught doing Medicare fraud and was fired. Another guy was caught defrauding the government as was fired. Another girl was fired who was defrauding the government. And another guy was fired for incompetence. That one took the longest and several good people almost quit because this guy was driving them crazy. I had forgotten just how many people had been fired at the office I worked in.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Weird tactic. I had a co-worker who fell out of favor. His computer was removed from his desk, and they gave him nothing to do. It worked. He didn't, so he quit after about a week.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Was it in Washington, DC?

There was a special kind of arrogance in that place.

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Susan Catherine's avatar

Interesting!

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Fla Mom's avatar

I fired two - one civilian and one military. Takes a *lot* of time and effort, though; but they were worth it. (The military guy was fired from his job, but sadly not from the military; but his career was over.)

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Was it in the Washington, DC area?

There is really a special kind of arrogance with poor workers inside the Beltway.

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Fla Mom's avatar

The civilian wasn't. I didn't have any civilian employees that sank to the same level when I supervised in the DC area, though. The military officer was, but thankfully inside the organization I was in at the time I had an established reputation and the evidence against him was pretty good.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

When I was on active duty, the military had ways of dealing with dirtbags.

Not sure how effective they are now considering the military has gone woke.

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Doohmax's avatar

Who does the charging and picking up? Merrick Garland’s DOJ? Good luck with that.

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reality speaks's avatar

Speaker of the house controls the capital police just pick him up charge him put him in a secured cut off from the world location. Force the courts to deal with it. Defund the DOJ until they do something. The Republicans have the power of the purse they need to use it. Bring DC to a screeching halt. But there aren’t any Republicans with gonads big enough most belong to the DC Uniparty.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Put Grandma Garland in leg irons...just like the DOJ did with Peter Navarro.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Excellent idea. Send the Capitol Police in under the FBI's "standard procedure." We'd immediately read about a shootout in the DOJ office, and the not-so-fun would begin.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

That's precisely the problem. They know it. We know it. They know we can't peacefully do anything about it.

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RU's avatar

Excellent idea. Find the low level people involved, arrest them, and go from there. They'll flip when they've lost their nice little home and their pension is on the line. "I was just following orders" is not an acceptable reply.

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carily myers's avatar

The Republicans in Congress can only recommend charges to the DOJ. They have no "arrest" powers unless it's a member of Congress. You think the current DOJ will act on any reommendations? LOL

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reality speaks's avatar

Only if you play by the rules written by the swamp. Need to stop playing by the rules they only apply the rules to us never themselves.

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Fran Copp's avatar

Am I the only one here that thinks Epoch News is a credible source of news vs The NY Times? IMHO their reporting is broad and deep and unbiased.

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ASK's avatar

Epoch Times is probably the only news source I trust. Great reporting and articles. And also Epoch TV. Just watched the live session with Blinken yesterday. Amazing how so many congressional reps (especially foreign ones) are more concerned with other countries than our own.

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Fran Copp's avatar

Makes me think they may have a financial interest in the other country.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I subscribe to them

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Ruth H's avatar

Yes and many more should subscribe to ET

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

I love Epoch Times. Even their Heath section is surprisingly enlightening.

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TB's avatar

I suspect Jeff's point may rather have been that Epoch Times is not "mainstream" in the way NYT is. Once NYT is publishing that sort of thing, we will know that the Overton Window has fully shifted.

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Fran Copp's avatar

Agreed.

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

I’m debating myself on the question: Stay where I am now and be part of the resistance or go to Florida where so many things align with my views? Your honest opinion matters to me, thanks!

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Valerie's avatar

Think carefully before relocating. I’m in Texas, there’s much I love about it, but everywhere has its own culture and isn’t a great fit for everyone. I’ve known a couple of people who came here, lasted a year, and then went back to California. Many people can’t handle the weather.... it is very hot and humid here making it difficult to do outside things from June to October. We have extreme weather sometimes. We have a LOT of traffic. Personally, I’ll put up with the weather and, unfortunately, lack of natural beauty (Houston area) to have a culture that values freedom and arguably some of the best medical care available anywhere, should I need it. But definitely spend time whereever you think you want to move during the non-highlight reel times of the year before making that call.

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Robin Greer's avatar

And take at least a 2 week visit to see if you like the culture. Check the stats on weather temps throughout the year. If you are a church goer, see if you can find a church that you would like to attend so you can be located close to the church.

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

Thanks! Church is vital for me, seriously! I’m a convicted believer of Jesus and His teachings, and I’m well aware not all places of worship should be called β€œchurch β€œ.

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Fla Mom's avatar

And it can be difficult to find a church in a particular denomination in some areas. "The essentials" are essential, but there are also more stylistic preferences, e.g., in hymnody, whole-book exegesis vs. topical sermons, etc.

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Freebird's avatar

Valerie, I just made a pitch for Texas as well. You and I are on the extremes. You’re in what we call the β€˜armpit’ of Texas, while I’m waaay up in the Panhandle, not sure what this area should be called, but it’s semi-arid, hot and dry in the summer, cold and dry in the winter and WINDY year round. But there are many beautiful places in our beloved state.

I just hope and pray that we can maintain the spirit of The Alamo, to fight to the death for our independence and uphold this treasured place for God and country.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Beauty is a relative thing - I had a great aunt who lived her whole life on a rural KS farm. Traveling was never their thing, they had livestock. Her adult kids talked her and my uncle in their later years to take a trip to Branson for a week/South MO. Which is geographically opposite of KS - hills, trees, etc. They HATED it. Said they felt hemmed in and claustrophobic with all those trees around, and missed Kansas. We complain when we drive across KS to go to Colorado to ski, about how 'boring' it is. But there is a stark beauty to the plains, and wide open vistas, and as I have gotten older and more introspective, have decided that there is beauty everywhere, if you only look for it.

But aside from geography and climate, there are cultural differences as well. My dad's side of the family all came from rural KS and many of them stayed in the state. My mom's family came from mid Missouri and all but one of her 5 sisters stayed in MO. When we had family gatherings at our house, my dad's side and mom's side did not like each other much. Mom's side was more loud, boisterous, hardscrabble blue dog democrats (although many flipped over the years and about half are now Trump Republicans) Dad's side very polite, quiet, formal. All but my dad, and a few cousins all lifelong R's. My grandma on my dad's side would get out the fine china and all the place settings for family dinners. Mom's side used paper plates, and not a money thing, both sides pretty much solid middle class. But it's funny how big extended families who only lived a few hours apart were just very different people. Even noticed it as a kid.

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Freebird's avatar

You’re so right Donna, as the saying goes, we β€˜bloom where we’re planted’ and make the best of it. As a product of the wide open spaces, I’ve felt that hemmed-in feeling a time or two. Especially when visiting large cities or even camping out in an area with trees! πŸ˜‚. As you said, there is beauty everywhere if you have the eyes to see it.

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Help Needed in KS's avatar

LOVE Branson. Not just for the entertainment, but the hills and trees remind me of home (eastern Canada).

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Valerie's avatar

I’m from Colorado springs, that’s pretty much the same as the panhandle just with beautiful mountains to look at. I am happy to be out of that wind, for sure.

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

Thank you Valerie for your advice!

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GenEarly's avatar

Depends on Where you are Now? A Rural or Urban County? Repub or Democ ? Population Density ? Land, You Own? How Much? Retired or Working?

Upstate Rural NY could be be better than Orlando, FL or Houston, TX or Atlanta,GA. but there are areas in each state that might enhance your survival depending on your situation currently.

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

I’m from upstate rural ny. Western ny. And unfortunately although the rural nyers are true conservatives, they are overwhelmed by the five cities, that heat and have cheated for decades, so the state remains controlled by progs, regardless the fact it’s a very conservative state. They don’t vote.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

LaBelle is growing fast. , still a charming town.

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GenEarly's avatar

ANY City in ANY State is Subject to Anarchy in an Economic Collapse...... which of course "Could never Happen Here in the Good Old USSA!!!"

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FourWinds's avatar

Every place has natural beauty, and I saw that when I was in Texas. But no offense - you are right about it being too hot and humid in Texas for me. I want to move to Antarctica right now because it's above 80 in Ohio. 🀣🀣

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Help Needed in KS's avatar

What about the Panhandle area and northern Florida? Still hot and humid, I assume. My wife would love that weather; I would NOT. I'm from Canada, have been living in Kansas for the last 27 years and I'm STILL waiting to have a REAL winter!

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AngelaK's avatar

No offense but you are right on lack of natural beauty. Florida does have some though.

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Valerie's avatar

Parts of Texas are gorgeous, just not Houston. But it has a great personality! πŸ˜‚

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

What about the Hill Country? It looks promising, I'd like to visit. When is a good time, without high humidity?

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

October. But we're filling up way too fast. New Braunfels has become a veritable parking lot, San Antonio is becoming a Soros stronghold and swallowing up NB and Boerne. Dripping Springs is booming and leaning left, being that side of Austin. Fredericksburg and Kerrville are still jewels, but the old Germanic beauty is getting crowded with preppy gift shops and micro art galleries. After living here most of my life, I love the people, the coast, and the scruffy Hill Country, but I've run out of elbow room.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Thanks, I think I'll try for an Oct visit. My German family immigrated there in 1918 and settled near San Antonio. I didn't know the hill country has a German heritage, too, I'll have to look into it while there.

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Beckadee's avatar

full of libs- too close to Austin and San Antonio. Now 100 years ago......

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AngelaK's avatar

I have only been to Houston.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Sorry to hear that ; )

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

The suburbs of Dallas are pretty : Plano, Frisco….

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

What about Texas Hill Country? Looks beautiful. I'd like to visit, when is a good time, esp without high humidity?

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Crixcyon's avatar

I think resistance must be spread out. Some here and some there. If most of the "resisters" are in one area, it will be easier for the anti-human forces to corral them.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Totally. For example, all the swing states are swinging the right direction.

Let's keep it up!

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FourWinds's avatar

Agreed! Not only that, but there's a lot of monkey see, monkey do with some folks. If they see one person in their area resisting, it's better than seeing no people resisting if they all went to FL or elsewhere.

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Janet's avatar

I’ve run into more awareβ€”one gal in TSC last week was quoting strength scriptures to back up what she believed was going on. We had a great conversation. Her work mate also sees it. But for Chicago and burbs, Illinois would be red. My congresscritter is against the WHO but did vote for the despicable $ theft to Ukraine.

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Janet's avatar

I’m resisting in my locationβ€”a blue state. People around me already know where I stand. Not everyone but I’m not going to keep my status secretβ€”about jabs or the state of the world I see coming.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

When I think about moving to Florida I consider, what happens when DeSantis leaves office? Who can take his place, and will citizens vote for that person?

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Jpeach's avatar

The Election process in Florida seems to be fair and well run. Hopefully this will keep common sense politicians in office.

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Fla Mom's avatar

We need informed citizens keeping an eagle eye on processes and procedures even in Florida. Think about which elections would be worth stealing for Republicans: the primaries, when it's R vs. R.

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Help Needed in KS's avatar

"common sense politicians". Really, Jpeach?

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

My 13 year old expressed the same sentiment!! Thank you for your reply

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Fla Mom's avatar

Ed, since it can be difficult to get Substack to go to a particular spot in a comment thread, once there are several hundred comments, I'm copying my reply to Anne Clifton here for you:

I'm active in the Republican Party of Florida at state and county levels, and I will say that we need people who can see through fake Republicans and who will vote for real conservatives. (I even have beefs with Gov. DeSantis.) For example, our current Commissioner of Agriculture pretends to be a good ol' boy farmer, and I believe he's going to run for Governor (for more about him and others, join the Facebook group called RINOs of Florida). Better choices, who may also run, are Rep. Byron Donalds and Rep. Matt Gaetz (lol, can you imagine a Gov. Matt Gaetz press conference? I'd love it).

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Janet's avatar

Fellow Floridian here. I LOVE Byron Donalds. And the stupid blue state evacuees/new residents might vote for him simply because he is a minority (I’m a native NY’er so I know of what I speak in the name-calling department).

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Janet's avatar

The fact DeSantis was close to being beaten by the alternative (Andrew Gillum) in 2018 was sobering.

I too was involved in the R world in FL. Won’t go into detail. Divorce threw me into a tailspin I’m still trying to make my way out of.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I'm active in the Republican Party of Florida at state and county levels, and I will say that we need people who can see through fake Republicans and who will vote for real conservatives. (I even have beefs with Gov. DeSantis.) For example, our current Commissioner of Agriculture pretends to be a good ol' boy farmer, and I believe he's going to run for Governor (for more about him and others, join the Facebook group called RINOs of Florida). Better choices, who may also run, are Rep. Byron Donalds and Rep. Matt Gaetz (lol, can you imagine a Gov. Matt Gaetz press conference? I'd love it).

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Anne Clifton's avatar

I'm in North Carolina, where we have several times elected a Democrat governor and Republican lieutenant governor. That's strange to me. We had a good Republican candidate for governor last time. He was ahead until votes were "found" in one county that gave the win to our current liberal Democrat. Republicans are in the majority in the legislature. I'm not thrilled with Mark Robinson, the Republican candidate this year, but his opponent is our current liberal Democrat attorney general. I'm pretty fed up with politics. A good friend ran for Congress, but two candidates with barely legal PACs slandered him and when they ended up in a runoff, I didn't vote for either of them. Our friend really wanted to serve the country. Maybe God spared him from something he might have experienced in DC.

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Fla Mom's avatar

From afar, especially for someone who saw Mark Robinson's original viral video, he seems like a good candidate, but I don't have your more full information.

What you describe about your friend is exactly what happens, and not just in congressional-level races, but very much in those. The PAC shell game, with misleadingly-named PACs giving money to one another such that you can't tell who's really behind a candidate, and the state and congressional House and Senate Campaign Committees, wherein Party insiders choose who will win and then funnel tons of money to them, doing pretty much anything it takes to get candidates whom they don't prefer (usually the grassroots candidates) out of the race, disgusts me. And I'm only familiar with Republican practices, not even Democrat ones.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Florida is so overcrowded that simply driving from one town to another has become a project.

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Help Needed in KS's avatar

Exactly. DeSantis won't be there forever.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Hubby and I moved to an outer ring (at the time) suburb and bought a house in 1990. Conservative, friendly, family oriented but not much in the way of shopping, nightlife or restaurants. Growth thru the 90's. a lot more going on, old downtown revitalized and it was a fabulous place to raise our kids. Perfect mix between 'big city' amenities but still that small town feel. I would regularly run into people I knew at the grocery or hardware store. But the last 10-15 years the left started coming in and infiltrating everything and rapid growth and the things that come with that - crime, traffic, apathy. I tried to motivate people to pay attention but ignorance was bliss for too many.

When covid came to town, people found out our school board, city council and mayor were all various shades of democrat. A fair number of strong conservatives have fled to neighboring red counties., but the left is creeping in there too. I tried to talk my hubby into moving, too. but he refused to even talk about it - we do love our neighborhood, 5 min from basic amenities, <10 min from the highway, etc. I have spent years and lots of time on our landscaping and moved my mom to a place 5 min away. So have resigned myself to stay.

Sorry I am rambling but bottom line, someone does have to stay and fight. The left did not get here over night and we won't run them out overnight either. We did get a majority back on the school board in April and a slim majority on the council, although a couple of them are pretty weak.

Of course none of this takes weather into account. I actually like 4 seasons even if I do bitch a little in January sometimes. And our cost of living is low relative to a lot of places, so there's that. So politics is a factor, but there are lots of other variables!

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

Thanks for helping your Mom & being near her !

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Donna in MO's avatar

I was the teenager from h*ll, figure it's the least I could do.

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Mike Perceval's avatar

Ed, et al, the single most important question to grapple with in this, as well as all other regards, is: β€˜What is the leading of the Holy Spirit for me in this matter?’

Granted, one must first be born-again and receive the Holy Spirit. But, having crossed that threshold into new life in Christ, one has entered into the God-ordained process of sanctification, through which the intent is that we be transformed into His image; that we learn to walk in and through the power of the Holy Spirit. And, just as Jesus Christ came not to do His will, but that of the Father, so are we to live in accord with His will for us individually, as we are led and taught by His Spirit. This, of course, is not β€˜easy’ - but it is glorious, and the only way to fulfill the life we were created to live and share with Him. And, through Him, as salt and light in the darkness and decay of this world and time.

May the Lord bless, keep, and guide us all - and may we β€˜seek first the kingdom of God, and His glory’, that all good things He desires to do in and through us may come to pass…

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Wheaton's avatar

I would consider how much you enjoy the seasons (not sure where you live) south Florida has Zero fall weather, it’s especially humid in October and through November. South Florida is a steam bath from June to December and very bright from being so far south. It’s not pleasant during summer. It’s absolutely beautiful the other six months. We have family and a condo in south Florida. The dream is to be seasonal, but if you have a 13 year old and go to an office, that’s probably not possible. But all the weather reasons aside, and just politics, then Florida for the win!

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AngelaK's avatar

I like South Florida from mid to late October through end of April.

I find September to be the worst, most humid, month...ugh.

I hate the summer, it is hot, and often rains (but not all day) but hey, I hated the winter in NY.

No place is perfect.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I’m near ft Myers, left upstate New York just before lockdown. My seasonal affective disorder disappeared with the sun . I found a good doctor here, for mold illness, unlike upstate New York where the dr neglect and gaslit me for years.

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AngelaK's avatar

Yes, that SAD was really getting to me too. I refused to take anything for it, but at times the depression was painful, especially in January. I didn't have it when I was young.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

So true. And wherever I go, I take myself with me.

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

I didn’t understand β€œif you a 13 year old and go to an office” part….

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Wheaton's avatar

Just meant if you have kids in school, it’s hard to be seasonal because the kids need to be in school for most of the year.

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

Got it! Thanks

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RunningLogic's avatar

Unless you homeschool but yes, otherwise you don’t have the same flexibility.

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LuAnne's avatar

Lol. We're in the opposite situation. My husband & I are from Michigan but we landed in Texas in the mid 80's when my husband was stationed at Ft. Hood. He exited the Army a few years later and we decided to stay in Texas. There were more opportunities for us in Texas than Michigan. Texas has been good to us and we love this state. We're both retired now and our grandkids are young adults so we've been toying with the idea of moving back to Michigan to be closer to both our families. There's so much about Michigan we miss. The great lakes, gorgeous beaches, great camping & beautiful forests, and 4 distinct seasons but the political atmosphere there scares us. There's a little voice in my head that keeps saying we're where we're supposed to be. For now anyways. Edit: I should add that we sold our Dallas suburban home 7 years before we retired and moved east to a completely red rural county.

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NAB's avatar

Michigan is such a beautiful state - especially the UP. Three of my kids went to college there. My oldest daughter continues to live there. My husband and I were seriously tempted to move to Hillsdale just to be near that school and we really love the people there (two of our kids attended Hillsdale). But then there is Gretchen Whitmer who, like my Governor (Hochul) is terrible. We're in upstate, western NY and like you said the weather is great, seasons are distinct, we have the beautiful Finger Lakes within a 20 minute drive and if we want the mountains, we can get to the ADK region in 4 hours. There is SO MUCH to recommend living in NY, but terrible leadership has almost destroyed it economically. It's so sad and unnecessary. The state is sitting on untold wealth in the form of natural gas, but fracking has been banned.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I am originally from that area so I understand and sympathize! I haven’t lived there in decades and would have a very hard time moving back since most of my close family from there is gone (either passed away or moved) and I just recoil at the idea of Hochul and also paying so much in taxes to fund the corrupt state πŸ˜• Not to mention how hard it is to find work or run a business πŸ˜• I’m glad there are still people there who are holding out and fighting back, though, and hope NY eventually turns a corner and the stupid leftists stop ruining it πŸ™ Keep up the good fight as long as you can!

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LuAnne's avatar

NY has so many gorgeous areas outside of what outsiders mainly see...NYC. Same thing in MI. Outsiders often think of Detroit when making comparisons.

We're both from Traverse City, MI where we both had awesome childhoods but it's become unrecognizable these days. We visit my husband's family there but we could never move back.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Your statements apply to PA as well: Avoid the handful of big metros, look at the mountain ridge towns along US 6, or the Amish region. Beautiful country, not densely populated like FL, and it has four genuine seasons per year.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

We've got room!

But we need to make a stand where we are before we have no other refuge.

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NAB's avatar

Ed, my husband and I intermittently wrestle with this dilemma. We have five kids, four of whom are independent, one still at home. Some days I say to my husband: "let's just sell the house, by an RV and hit the road." Other days, I plant my feet and say, "No. I will not be driven from my home where I have established roots, formed friendships and belong to a community." We often talk about "local, local, local" in these comments and that's currently my approach. I'm not saying I won't have to leave eventually, but for now we're staying put and trusting in our loving G-d.

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Freebird's avatar

Ed, would you consider Texas? Florida is, for the most part just hot and humid. You’d have more variety of seasons and landscape in Texas. And from a purely selfish standpoint, we need more conservatives to move here. I fear we’re being overrun by liberals moving to Texas for economic reasons only, with no state tax and (so far) reasonable government.

And I’d make the point that you can be part of the resistance from anywhere!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Florida on the coast is near perfect.

I'm just north of Daytona. Within 10 miles of the ocean the humidity and heat are moderate throughout the summer.

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My Favorite Things's avatar

I used to live in St. Augustine. The weather was perfect. Here in NW Florida it’s nice only a few months out of the year. Lots more tornadoes and hurricanes here too.

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Freebird's avatar

But do you get snow? Some of my favorite memories are snowy days.

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Beckadee's avatar

lol not likely. Saying that because I live just north of there in Sweet Home Alabama and maybe every 5 years we get a dusting.

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ARC's avatar

Ed, Thank you for bringing this up, and I am wondering the same as we consider the transition from deep blue NY. Is there anyone in the C and C group who can comment on their experiences and the political climate in the Carolinas, TN and rural Virginia? Any thoughts are appreciated!

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CarO Lyn's avatar

Rural VA is beautiful and very conservative. We are looking for a piece of property in an area roughly between Culpeper, Charlottesville and Lake Anna to summer in when FL weather gets too oppressive.

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

I would love to, but when I considered the financial impacts, Florida offered better options!

And trust me I traveled and stayed to explore but then, my salary was to be cut 50%.

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Susan Seas's avatar

I agree with keeping spread out, but maybe because I cannot move to FL right now. 😭 We need to save our country not just one state that could be completely wiped out by one big hurricane πŸ˜…πŸ˜¬

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NotaBot's avatar

You Americans make me a wee bit jealous as Canadians have no place to go, really.

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

Come over!

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NotaBot's avatar

πŸ₯Ήthanks & I hope you find a wonderful place in which to stand firm

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

I hear good things about Alberta. Not far enough away from Toronto?

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ASK's avatar

You haven’t mentioned where you are now. TN is also a good alternative to FL. I think many underestimate how much it has to offer.

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NAB's avatar

I feel like TN is actually a hot spot right now. I will check out real estate there every few months and it's crazy how quickly houses and property are selling.

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KatLee's avatar

I can attest that eastern Tennessee is a hot spot. Real estate has slowed somewhat now but people moving from other, expensive states and bringing boatloads of cash really drove it up for awhile. I follow a guy who is developing land over in the Pigeon Forge area and he thinks real estate here is going to decline price-wise in 2025-2026. Honestly, the quality of life in rural East Tennessee is heavenly to me, a Southern California girl who loves the trees, mountains, lakes and trails. Beautiful four seasons, rarely a day you can’t get out and go. Sales tax is higher than most but there is no state tax. The four big cities are sadly blue.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Beware Kingsport. Just sayin' .....

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SadieJay's avatar

Ed...Florida is great. If you pick somewhere that is not inundated with snowbirds in the winter. It gets pretty miserable when the influx happens.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

I’d move there if my husband didn’t have an aversion to humidity. Sigh …

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AngelaK's avatar

I do not find South Florida as humid as I remember DC in July. Houston, omgosh, now *that* was humidity!! I couldn't breathe well.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

I have lived in Florida all of my life and I get it... but humidity is something thst is actually good for you.πŸ™‚ People pay lots of money to sit in a sauna, people also pay lots of money to sit in a steam room... We enjoy the north central part of the state where we have both, but mostly the humidity. It sucks, but then there is air conditioning. We ate at a restaurant on the coast last night, that had those cooling misters above our heads to fend off the humidity and heat. It wasn't bad... Yes, it gets hot as the hinges of hades here, but there is usually someplace that is cooler, so we gravitate there throughout the daylight hours. I grew up in a house with no ac. I survived. I love visiting other states, some more than others. I can't imagine moving anywhere else. Florida is not all heat and humidity! We have gorgeous beaches and beautiful springs with water that stays 72Β° year round! We have lots of lakes and even some clear

water rivers. There are endless activies to enjoy passing the days! And, we have a great governor!

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Janet's avatar

Sure. But you plan those things. Just walking around doing life and being trapped inside would be awful for me. I cannot handle humidity.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Then don't move to MO. either, LOL. But at least our humidity is only half the year.

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Janet's avatar

. I’ve driven through Missouri. It was so beautiful. That’s as far south as I could go. I’m a northern 4 seasons country gal all my long life. I enjoy winter. I bundle up and hike anyway. Sometimes I even oil paint outside in the snow. I don’t like it when we don’t get much snow. Friends think I’m looney. Lol. Iowa is nice and mostly free. But I’m sticking where I am. Standing up and won’t comply in the blue state where I live. πŸ˜€. Cheers, Donna.

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Yeah then you wouldn't like the KC area then as our snowfall totals vary a lot, but aren't much, from a few inches in a year, to a few feet some years. Sometimes almost all in one storm, lol. We've had 60 degrees in January and snow in May. It's very variable, My nephew, who mostly grew up in So Cal where the weather is mostly the same all the time, ended up choosing to go to MO S&T for his engineering degree, (where his parents both went) and he called home to my sister more than once saying - I NEVER know what to wear, shorts one day and winter coat the next!

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

I am not trapped inside. We just come and go as we can. I'm older now so I can pick and choose how much I will tolerate.

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Janet's avatar

I’m talking me. I would feel trapped inside. Never. A few days of air conditioning up here and I get antsy. I’m glad you are happy there, though. We lived on a California desert for a year while my hubs was in the Marines. It seemed like the surface of the moon to me then. Lol. When we drove back to Illinois in the fall, Missouri looked like my home in Illinois and I couldn’t get enough of it. Gas was 26 cents a gallon. I’m not above a vacation in sunny climes in February though. Mountains are happy places for me as well. 😁

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

I'm a Western North Carolina mountain girl. Our grandparents had a summer home in Highlands and we'd burn the highway up most weekends driving back and forth! I tolerate Florida because I was born and raised here. I use the weather to my advantage as much as possible!

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

Arizona?

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Beckadee's avatar

We don't sweat in the south, we glow! As much as I hate the thick summer air, I choose it over a freezing winter any day! Being close to Moble Bay we get the breezes and with that the humidity. My beef is during summer while the high may only be 85-90 [hotter further north] the low is only 15 degrees cooler [20 degrees cooler further north]. Not enough.

I'm seeing way too many out of state tags driving around and moving here. Far as I can tell they are moving here because of the cheaper real estate and property taxes and not because of their conservative values. So I hope the heat and humidity and our never ending supply of grits does the trick. :)

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

I'm here with you!

It's hard to find decent prices in homes these days in the south unless they're very rural, which I wouldn't mind.... We tell everyone new who we run across in our area, if you left your state to come here for freedom, vote accordingly! Don't know that it works but I follow a lot of house listings and my goodness, some people are flat out crazy scared of living in a red stateπŸ˜πŸ€£πŸ€£πŸ˜‚

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Beckadee's avatar

I haven't said that to anyone I just walk around in my Trump 2020 cap. But I'm glad you do. Kind of puts them on notice.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Love it. Beckadee, you sound like a true Southern Belle.

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Beckadee's avatar

I am a true Southerner but 'belle' might be a stretch for me! haha

Now back in the day.....

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PamelaZelie's avatar

I really enjoy Florida: it’s beautiful. Visit my β€˜snowbird’ sister each year.

But I married a Maine boy who complains when we spend 1/3rd of the year in NC! He is sweet enough to alternate the Black Hills of SD with NC.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

You are blessed!

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Thank you. I truly am.

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Wheaton's avatar

Maggie I would love to know more about the springs! Where do I find them? I am very familiar with Palm Beach to Miami but not the rest of the state.

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CarO Lyn's avatar

The middle to upper part of the state has tons of springs and a good portion of them are state parks. Check out the FL state park website to see locations.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

We have numerous wonderful springs mid state upwards and west Florida. Most are on state owned property. We had friends who owned land with a spring on it, so no tourists... Look online for Florida's Springs.

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

We lived on the coast west from Gainesville in Old Town taking care of my friend's stepfather for awhile, and found beautiful gorgeous springs, filled with manatees. At Crystal River you can swim with the manatees. You can't touch them, but there is something really otherworldly about it. Lots of state parks are springs also, with water as blue and transparent as the Ionian sea. I loved the white roads of Florida too, but the humidity and mosquitos were killer. I"d be moving there in a nanosecond for DeSantis, but I'm looking at semi-arid high desert to be able to breathe. Maybe fewer zombies in the apocalypse also lol.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

We visit the desert SW when we visit our granddaughters in Vegas... temps in the 117Β° range... it's oven heat. I'll take humidity over that any day!πŸ˜‚

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Wheaton's avatar

The humidity is a real problem for many who are sensitive to it. It’s quite unbearable for many.

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AngelaK's avatar

NY was equally humid in July to mid August, sometimes more than South Florida. The difference I find is in the 1. heat and brightness of the sun,

2. length of time, 1.5 months vs. 5 months.

In Southern Mediterranean countries, they deal with summer heat by doing errands early in the morning and hibernating (siesta)most of the afternoon.

I find I do the same here mostly, minus the nap.

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CeeMcG's avatar

Yeah, that’s my biggest hesitation with Florida. I have multiple sclerosis and start getting increasingly brain dead for every degree the temperature gets above 72 degrees. Humidity makes it so much worse. Would move to Idaho full time but my BF doesn’t like the cold winters.

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Robin Greer's avatar

The weather would be impossible for me. I'm further north and I already hibernate in the summer.

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Beckadee's avatar

Hey Ed here's a perspective on Florida- LOL. I copied from another substack.

95 and humid--God knows what the heat index was--and the no-see-ums and fire ants will finish off anything the gators miss. And don't forget hurricanes. I personally know several people that almost died in our Cat 5 in 2022, and the predictions for 2024 are off the chart, 20+ landfalls and at least five majors. And if Biden manages to start WWIII and the Rooskies light up one of their buried offshore nukes, the 100-foot wall of water sweeping the state (Cat 22!) will make all previous Cat 5s seem a mere inconvenience. Better stick with your shitty Dem governors on that good northern high ground.

P.S. Leave the garage door open and you'll need your your snake tongs. Don't have a garage? Palm rats will eat your car's wiring--they especially like the peanut-flavored eco-friendly wiring on expensive German models. Let the dog or cat outside--there's coyotes and panthers, not just gators. It's the lightening capitol of the U.S. Pollen and cockroaches everywhere. In hothouse hell of July, August, and September, you'll need fresh dry underwear three times a day. And that's just in the coastal tourist areas. Get out in the sticks and you also face wild boar, Eastern Diamondback Rattlers, Water Moccasins, and 110 mph pickup trucks driven by the Griner Brothers from Deliverance. And we haven't even mentioned DeSantis coming after your child porn!

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Tonya's avatar

The problem with Jeffrey Tucker's theory is that it rests on too many of the perpetrators' claims: that there was a highly contagious and dangerous virus spreading, that PCR tests accurately measured that, that the mitigation efforts really prevented transmission, and that vaccines would stop the pandemic.

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RU's avatar

I didn't read it that way. Tucker has ben pretty loud for years now about covid not being dangerous and "vaccines" not being needed, and I believe as well that PCR tests give false positives. So, I think he's probably saying they wanted to make sure the shots did as much damage to the immune system as possible by limiting exposure to any viruses going around. (But I only have what Jeff included above. Will have to see if it's linked on Zero Hedge, which sometimes has Epoch stories.)

Personally, I think the goal is to damage the immune system via these shots, then release something more dangerous than whatever "covid" was. And I think it's the CCP behind it, with their military guys already here waiting to release the next wave thanks to our open border.

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NAB's avatar

Jeffrey Tucker is definitely fully on Team Reality.

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RU's avatar

Yeah, even 3-4 years ago Brownstone was compiling and publishing the full list of hundreds of studies that show masks and lockdowns don't work.

That's a whole other topic: how much of this research and knowledge was already out there and KNOWN prior to 2019/2020. There were dozens of studies, all showing the same thing: no efficacy for masks or lockdowns. And they did it anyway.

Which is why I don't fully agree with his version of this conspiracy. I don't think he goes far enough.

They had to know that what they were doing wouldn't work. So, to me it was all a psy-op to drive fear and panic in order to drive demand for and adoption of the "vaccine." People literally demanded to be poisoned. Probably driven by CCP-controlled interests using a bioweapon to weaken Western immune systems for the "1" in a 1-2 punch. The "2" has yet to arrive. The "2" may actually be a negotiating chip, for all we know.

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Janet's avatar

Begged and demanded the jab. I had a friend text me vax dates available and what was my problem since I wasn’t bellowing I got the jab. They were comparing appointment dates. And sore arms.

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RU's avatar

It was all so pathetic. I had a friend who would send pictures of him getting his shots - every single time! Mask on, needle in arm, other hand giving a thumbs-up. (Hopefully he doesn't start doing the same for his proctology exams.)

The main reason I point this out is to remind everyone that while "they" (the PTB, deep state, whatever) did this and need to be brought to justice, our fellow citizens did this, too. They demanded it, begged for it, lined up in cars around the block to get it. Good Germans. So, unless we agree with the central planning types that us citizens are brainless tools - w/o any agency or will - to be moved around at their will, then we also have to hold the citizens responsible for their part in it.

I have some friends, coworkers, and even family where the relationship will never be the same b/c of their choices, their words, and their actions throughout this. It wasn't the PTB doing that.

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Janet's avatar

Threw us out of libraries, yard sales, ffs. My best friend said she couldn’t be around me because quote:” You might KILL me and Dick”. My jabbed up sister texted me while suffering her second bad Covid and excoriated me and hoped I would get Covid bad cause β€œKarma’s a bitch”. I could sense the spittle and invective in her writing. No, these relationships are damaged and while they blithely stroll to Armageddon, I shake my head sadly. But I am angry with no real outlet but here and God. It’s scary to realize they are now programmed and triggers pulled back to be β€œGood Germans” for the next round. Maybe worse reactions. I’m glad I’m old.

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SadieJay's avatar

β™₯ I thought that when they were stationing all the hand sanitizing stations everywhere and my granddaughters hands were raw and chapped. I am like..."you are not going to have any way to fight germs if you are not exposed to cooties of your fellow men!" It is one thing to wipe the e-coli off shopping carts or wipe your airplane seat down, but that was such an obvious manipulation. But I don't have a podcast or forum. Or I didn't then. Before Substack.

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Janet's avatar

Sorry about your granddaughters. Going into my library you were met immediately by a tall table with signs and hand sanitizers. I always pretended to squirt some on my hands. I hate that stuff. If you pulled a book out you couldn’t put it back but had to leave it out on top of the shelf. (Low shelving) then staff would pick it up and wipe it down. While it was closed for some months in 2020 was when it got self checkout. That’s when it became dull and lacking the human contact at the checkout desk. I worked there until 2019. The front desk interaction was my favorite part of the job. You could see the masked ninnies in the back.

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Tonya's avatar

"By limiting exposure" presumes that the lockdowns and masks actually did that.

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RU's avatar

I just read the full article on Zero Hedge (it's available free there). https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/great-pandemic-walkback

He's not saying that exposure actually was limited or that masks worked, but that that was their plan and their assumption. He calls it a "cockamamie" strategy that "would not likely work." (Not sure I've seen too many people use that word these days, lol.)

Personally, I don't think he's completely correct. I think that might be what some of the public health people thought and wanted (aka, the useful idiots), but I think the layer above them, the layer pushing this and responsible for the lab leak itself had more sinister motives. So, I don't think his "conspiracy theory" goes far enough. But he's probably slow-walking that himself, as he's done for years now. Either he's slowly figuring it out as he goes or he's sharing the ideas at the rate at which he believes his readers can handle it. I think he hits a more mainstream audience than we have here.

Anyway, a few quotes from the article that give more context:

"If all the evidence was clear that none of this could control a virus, and if even the vaccine trials were revealing high injury and a lack of effectiveness of the shots, why did they go ahead with the crazy experiment in the first place?"

"...it also makes sense of why they attempted so many cockamamie strategies even though they would not likely work. It was the best they had and they were quite desperate to make sure that the shots and the shots alone would save the day. It’s also why the World Health Organization changed the definition of herd immunity from including exposure to become exclusively a product of vaccines."

"The plan was pretty far-flung but there were three major problems.

- First, people quickly realized that the bug was nowhere near as serious as they made it out to be. Many people got the thing, felt rough for a few days, and shook it off. Such is life.

- Second, people got exposed and thus obtained immunity anyway. There was nothing that could be done about that.

- Third, and devastatingly, the shots did not work as intended. They didn’t stop infection and they didn’t stop the spread. Plus they caused enormous harm."

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Tonya's avatar

I agree with you that some of the perpetrators knew the truth, but used the lies as cover and reasoning to implement the various β€œmitigation” efforts, while others actually believed the lies because they are part of the system that is built on those lies.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I think that makes a lot of sense.

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TB's avatar

It doesn't require those things to be actually true, though; it only requires that the perpetrators believed it (or thought that the general public could be convinced to believe it).

I'm still not entirely sure I find this more convincing than simple weapons-grade incompetence and/or greed, but as Jeff said it's a conversation that needs to be had. Quite likely the exact reasons will be different for each person involved (eg mid-level public health managers may have just "trusted the science" without thinking for themselves, while some high-level people were likely in it for dishonest gain - insider trading, promised kickbacks, or whatever).

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Good points.

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Wheaton's avatar

Brilliantly done as usual Jeff! Just wondering if anyone else saw the red demon portrait of King Charles? when turned upside down and placed next to a duplicate, it shows the devil very clearly. It was on Twitter and is quite shocking.

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AngelaK's avatar

I thought it was bizarre and bloody looking.

Didn't know the rest.

Update: I just googled it, enlarged it, and turned it upside down and stared at it for a minute. Did not see a devil, sorry.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Reminds me of the 80's when people would say, "just listen to the lyrics backwards and you'll hear..." Power of suggestion perhaps?

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AngelaK's avatar

So I googled some key words, and came up with this link. Yes, you will see it, but as the Instagram user notes, ANY image mirrored will produce a face. As he insinuates, however, this particular one does look like 'the ruler of hell'.

My take: If anything was deliberate or manifested, it rests more upon the artist.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7E9nwxp0pG/?igsh=MTd1a3FkbGc5amE5aQ==

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Robin Greer's avatar

I had heard that from several people. Even Al Mohler discussed the portrait on his podcast yesterday.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

An argument can be made! Maybe they painted a demonic totem pole, flipped it, and it happened to look like King Chuck. No matter how our Resident is presented, he’s consistent. If you turn Dark Brandon upside down and backward and ask him to say β€œpalindrome,” he still looks and sounds like Dark Brandon.

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TB's avatar

And then edgy Christian rock bands starting putting in "praise Jesus" backwards into their music just to troll the uptight people. LOL.

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Robin Greer's avatar

πŸ˜†

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Wheaton's avatar

You would need to place a duplicate next to it. Together they form the image of the devil. It’s very large so it can’t be missed.

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AngelaK's avatar

So I googled some key words, and came up with this link. Yes, you will see it, but as the Instagram user notes, ANY image mirrored will produce a face. As he insinuates, this one does look like 'the ruler of hell'.

My take: If anything was deliberate or manifested, it rests more upon the artist.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7E9nwxp0pG/?igsh=MTd1a3FkbGc5amE5aQ==

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AngelaK's avatar

Don't know how to do that but I will take your word for it.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

You have to add one additional move...after those you mentioned. It's in the mirror image, so you need to flip one side after the other steps. It is there!

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SadieJay's avatar

I saw it. Baphomet. Lovely. We are in a spiritual battle...just like the 2 riderless horses, one black and one white (covered in faux blood) and Big Ben stopping. All at once. It all signals a death in the royal family. My take anyway.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Reminded me of Biden's speech with the red lights behind him. Satanic looking.

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Janet's avatar

Creepy. Not sure I want to try the upside down thing on them.

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Wheaton's avatar

Extremely creepy indeed. Yesterday it appeared on my twitter timeline. I wish I could un see it!

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Sarah Bee's avatar

Same- beyond creepy is this real?!? !!! And I’ve been watching the CROWN and the history of royals is so intense & complex

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AngelaK's avatar

Why is the Kings painting red?

In the portrait, the King wears his uniform as regimental colonel of the Welsh Guards, the bright red uniform commonly associated with parts of the British military. His uniform, combined with the background, brings the viewer's focus to the King's face rather than his regalia.

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Wheaton's avatar

That’s the official lie because you have to say something when you unveil a clearly demonic portrait. Anyone who believes that lie probably also still believes vaccines save lives, and believes everything their doctor says too. They probably even believe Sam Smith in all his red devil attire is just a fan of the color red, β€œbecause to Sam” red represents love of all people. Oh that’s why. Nothing to see here. Sure.

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carily myers's avatar

Amen

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Good idea, and I'll adopt it. Friendly suggestion, y'all. β€œSince, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God” (Colossians 3:1).

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FourWinds's avatar

What kind of portrait is that??? Remember when paintings were actually good? Who knows, maybe the painter was trying to express their opinion of the man. I'm not creeped out, just rolling my eyes.

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Bandit's avatar

Lots of people believe he's the Antichrist.

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AngelaK's avatar

No way the Antichrist. He doesn't fit any prophetic hints at what to expect.

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FourWinds's avatar

No, I think that may be Fauci. Or that idiot on the WEF. Or Biden's handlers. But being serious, I don't think there is one antichrist. I think that is a state of being, not an entity, and there are a lot of people who are in that state of being.

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Ruth H's avatar

Include Obama with those evil people

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Bandit's avatar

I felt he was the Antichrist before he was elected.

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Wheaton's avatar

It’s an admission of something, that’s for sure.

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AngelaK's avatar

Why is the Kings painting red? *From the artist*:

'In the portrait, the King wears his uniform as regimental colonel of the Welsh Guards, the bright red uniform commonly associated with parts of the British military. His uniform, combined with the background, brings the viewer's focus to the King's face rather than his regalia.'

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carily myers's avatar

Give it a break Angela, that lie ain't gonna work on the rest of us. Besides, his face looks horrible, old, wrinkled and blood splattered.

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AngelaK's avatar

That is not my words! It is from the internet.

That is a painting, not a photo. These artists interpret what they want into a painting, and that is what the artist wanted. 🎨 His choice.

Are YOU the artist? πŸ€”

I am not the artist, either!

Art is open for interpretation by all, the creator and the viewer.

If that is what you see., that is fine! There is no right or wrong in art. Where is "the lie"?? πŸ™„

(My degree is in Art History so I try to understand the art).

I also don't hate him, so maybe I don't see it as negatively as you do, but I personally hate all the bloody red.

So. no need to be rude. πŸ™„πŸ€·

(For what it is worth. I do not like it all that much, and as I said I thought it looked bloody, so we are in agreement. )

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

I did.

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OnTheJump's avatar

There are others like this out there - intentional ?

Here's one (for you sports fans out there)

https://www.google.com/search?q=chicago+bulls+logo+upside+down#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:dcfb66f2,vid:ybyzOmQPfXA,st:0

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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

β€œFlu season is getting fatter” - yes! I have noted this! We are natural minded, I make most of our food from scratch at home, avoiding toxic ingredients, including those in syringes, we homeschool so aren’t in the school systems. It used to be that we only got sick occasionally and usually from someone clearly sick at church, and mostly during December/January. Now it seems like we are dealing with people around us sick all the time (and I’m horrified how often we pick up stuff even though we are careful to support our immune systems - it’s like these bugs going around are not natural…)! Even with our limited exposure. Like, sick season is August through May+, and even β€œsummer colds” too πŸ™„ I’m β€œsick” of it!

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SYFY's avatar

Same here with illness. Pre-covid we maybe got the sniffles once a year, if we were lucky (or unlucky I guess). Starting last December we've all be sick about every 6-8 weeks. It was REAL bad in December, but now they usually are moderate and seem long lasting, like almost 2 weeks everytime. I just figured the gov't keeps releasing new bugs to test out on the general populace. It's either that or they are going ahead and following Gates' idea of just spraying the MRNA "vax" crap in the air to us all...

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FourWinds's avatar

They sure as heck are spraying something. Milky, cloudy skies here in central Ohio every day.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

Chemtrail pollution is real and so is HAARP .

Amazing how my iPhone picks up the β€œwaves β€œin the clouds my eye can’t see.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I have problems every time I go out, shedding is real. It’s exhausting. I have to stagger everything so I can rest the day in between. Probably nano sized bio weapons, the shedding hasn’t ceased yet, that’s very unnatural.

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Susan Catherine's avatar

I agree. From August through December 2023 I was sick 3 times. Usually it's a cold every other year. No jab. I work out nearly every day and eat pretty clean (aside from my wine).

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LynnPine's avatar

Same here. From Sept of 2023 to the present, I've had six "viruses" ranging from head colds to flu/covid and a GI bug. I never took the mRNA shots and I do a lot to support my immune system by eating clean, exercising outdoors and taking a few supplements. I usualy get a virus about once a year, maybe twice in a bad year, but I have never been this sick, this often, in my life (I'm in my 60s). Something has definietly changed and I feel helpless to fight it. Scary times.

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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

I second that feeling of helplessness. All the normal natural things that used to keep us healthy are not having the same effect anymore. Just keeping on and doing our best but with some trepidation!

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LP's avatar

Look into supplementing with iodine. Mark Sircus' books are a good place to start. Also zinc and copper. Jason Hommel's site revealingfraud.com is a treasure of info. And cut way back on eating sugar, like almost none.

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Dr Linda's avatar

β€œAt the end of the day, who knows how much of the pandemic disaster was malevolence rather than arrogant incompetence”

Frankly, I am surprised that anyone would consider these acts as anything other than malevolence. Incompetence never crossed my mind; arrogance, yes.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Malevolence at the top aided by incompetence in the lower levels, and worse - indifference from those in the trenches.

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RunningLogic's avatar

🎯🎯🎯

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Mary's avatar

You are ignoring the fact that there was lots of money made by the people successfully pushing the jabs and by the hospitals following the Covid protocols (Remdesivir and Ventilators). That's a strong motivator for both the malevolent and the ignorant!

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Dr Linda's avatar

I am not ignoring that fact.

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🌱NardπŸ™'s avatar

Does anyone else see it? Right now, the Idaho graphic looks like a β€œthumbs up.” But once (if) the new boundaries are drawn, it looks more like an β€œF-you” graphic. Which is, actually, perfect.

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