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ASK's avatar

Jeff, since you are a lawyer, how do we best word a letter to our doctor saying that (under that 1974 privacy law) we do not consent to have the ICD codes for vaccination (of lack thereof) used in our charts and entered and /or submitted electronically at any time now or in the future? That this information is private? I think we need to revolt against this information being used against us.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

They will make us wear a yellow star.

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Oona Pilot's avatar

I've debated wearing one, just to provoke people and start them thinking. Even if it is a reflex and subliminal, they will start 'thinking' and thus some might wake. Though I am sad to say, I do not hold out great hopes. Many took the poison juices and were unhappy to do so but rationalized it. Oh we support the non vaxxed but we had to vax to do x, y, z. Well, it is these cooperative people who are now in the soup big time - and yet they seem not to even care or notice. If you challenge the hypocrisy of taking the shot, but supporting the right to NOT do so, they can't quite square it in their own heads. They want to thinks they have had the strength to say no, but didn't because excuse a,b,c. And I think they do not' want to really face that unpleasant truth about them selves - that the waffled when challenged. They are NOT what or who they think themselves to be -- morally strong and resisting tyranny.

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SadieJay's avatar

Nailed it. To think themselves just as steadfast and tyranny-resistant as those who were not merely inconvenienced by their principles and convictions but were fired, shamed and suffered loss of income and ways of life, to hold dear to all to what they knew to be true and right. Suffering much to their physical, mental and spiritual detriment. Then you have the masses of "I knew I didn't have to get the jabs, but did it anyway to 'travel, keep my job' go to a concert'"= weaklings. To all those coerced/caved, if you are awake now and standing with us...it is what it is. The one nearest and dearest to me was forced, as a Jew in a camp, to get jabbed to keep a job. It was a sick sick situation.β™₯

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daverkb's avatar

The Yellow Star ... it may yet become a symbol of the Resistance. SJWs, Wokies, Bolshies always double down, and triple double down. And I don't know of any Terror State which willing said 'we are wrong' and then started acting Mr. Nice and Proper.

I'm quite old and I may not survive what is coming. But one thing is sure. I will not consent in any way, shape or form to Evil and Evil Powers. Just won't do it!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I am also in my "sunset year", Dave--and I have announced to my guy friend that IF the "vaccine passport police" come to our door--I will run into the street and declare l WILL NOT COMPLY while the police shoot me--then the BLISS of being with JESUS for eternity!

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daverkb's avatar

You probably are old enough to remember how not being assaulted daily felt, and how grand that was. At any rate, I hear those capital letters loud and clear. And I am lucky as De Wife is sort of like you. And as is said in the Bible, 'a ruby beyond compare'.

Thanks! Nice to hear this! And all I can is, enjoy every day ... a gift from God.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

I already wore mine after being forced to in '21 at the small local #Blain's Farm and Fleet store because I refused to mask because of a medical condition!! #yellowtag #yellowstar 😑 I'm STILL HOT! NO APOLOGIES! I won't tell again all my other stories of being publicly harassed in every store. My medical issues didn't matter.

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Banjocat's avatar

I’m still upset too... here is one of my experiences with Natural (Nasty) Grocers. I was a long time customer but I will never shop there again. It’s amazing to me what people will accept for the sake of convenience. http://banjocatcreative.com/health-freedom/ Stay strong!

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CMCM's avatar

Oh my, I did enjoy your description and would love to have been there! What the whole things demonstrates is how many ignorant, powerless people there are out there who are eager and willing to function as brownshirts. It would be kind of fun to go back into that store today (where I'm sure people are no longer masked) and find the same people and make a big stink about why they are NOT masked now!! That could be deliciously fun.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Honestly, when I see people MASKED in stores I become NAUSEOUS - and just shake my head as I pass them by! WHAT FOOLS THESE MORTALS BE!

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Banjocat's avatar

I have thought about getting a t-shirt printed with the "nasty grocers" image I created (see post) and slowly walking through the store... asking employees for help with no intention of buying anything.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Exactly!! Read your story. NEVER FORGET!! I most often left everything behind without masking often in fear but not as afraid of bowing to bullies.

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LizardFro's avatar

Thankfully, I think most people are ready to slam their groceries down and boycott the store, sue the store, go on social media, etc if they’re ever treated like this again. They got a way with it once but never again. Some places I have permanently boycotted b/c they are the equivalent of discriminatory racists & I don’t want them to succeed.

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SadieJay's avatar

Nice job. Enjoyed the read. People are wussies and the term solidarity has been steadfastly overlooked when it comes to resistance. Standing there like sheep watching their own get eaten.

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Banjocat's avatar

Well put! That’s exactly how it is!

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Danielle V. Naptastik's avatar

Went to dentist yesterday- they’re still requiring masks to be worn (except for when you’re laying there for an hour with your mouth open and sprays flinging all sorts of micro particles of saliva into the air…) but I said β€œI’ll gladly cover my head with my hoody or wait outside.” She replied back with β€œuhh ok nevermind we’ll get you back there right away.”

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Banjocat's avatar

I had a dentist appointment last week in CA (long story) and I just ignore their signs. No one says anything. The level of idiocracy or idio-crazy that persists is quite telling. We are such domesticated pharm animals now. Stay cheeky and keep them off balance ;)

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LizardFro's avatar

My son used to put the mask on his head. Then complain that they didn’t say where to wear it. 🀣 Or if they asked him to cover his nose, he’d pull it up over his nose, leaving his mouth completely exposed. THESE are the things teenagers are good for!

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Momcat's avatar

my dentist has not required masks for a while. I had a sinus infection and lost a crown. When I called, I told them what I had, could I still get in, I'd wear a mask if necessary.... Their response? It's ok, everyone we see has some sort of cooties, no mask required!

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Mom in Florida's avatar

Lol. They are tired of it too!

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Danielle V. Naptastik's avatar

Unfortunately, there are many still where I am in WA who are very comfortable with them.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Those most vulnerable were told to take the shot... those with preexisting conditions. They were the first to line up, well after teachers were granted permission to take β€˜cuts’ in line, like here in Oregon. It was a feeding frenzy to get those first shots. Such psyops.

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MaryAnn's avatar

Feeding frenzy indeed. Our local public (un)health facility offered early jabs to anyone who volunteered to help distribute the jab. Two young healthy women who did not live in said PH district volunteered and cut the line to get the jab early (ahead of their elderly parents).

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Karen Bandy's avatar

If they have half a brain they’ll regret it. Ha! Like that’s going to happen.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

We might want to print an image of the SARScoV2 virus and pin it to our clothes rather than a star.

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Oona Pilot's avatar

then put a line thru it and the syringe... or put a line through it and state below... Just Say NO to Drugs LOL

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Peace's avatar

I liker the Just say NO to Drugs idea. I grew up with this (may even still have an ancient t shirt), not sure the younger generation will fully appreciate the history of this phrase but even so it gets the message across even without historical context.

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Navyo Ericsen's avatar

Or 'GMO Free'

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

To a large extent, I have adopted that 1980s public health message, which for you young'uns was directed against the illegal kind, and instead apply it to all things pharma. I still hope to use medical care when needed, but to the extent possible I do my own research before allowing anything to be put into y body any more. The Covid-19 "vaccine" is only the poster child of the many, many gross failings of our health care system. The rot goes back a long way. Effective medicine exists, but the problem is that a lot is at best of little value, and some downright harmful.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

That would make a GRAND "vanity" license plate, Oona!

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

The yellow crown ("corona") of Covid? The computer generated images are very artistic and geometric.

Trivia: particles the size of a virus literally cannot have a color, because they a smaller than the wavelengths of visible light.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

they will probably jail you for mocking the jews...

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Maybe instead of a "star", which might provoke the woke in a grocery store, like unmasked shoppers did at the local Wal-Mart etc, I'm thinking wearing neon velcro armbands might be an alternative?

Although that armband might get one deliberately run over at night, at a crosswalk, say, by a deranged antifa punk rocker.

And dragged a few meters.

Like several unmasked Freedom Trucker supporters who were targeted for death in Winnipeg Canada, by one such person, on February 6, '22.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-police-hit-and-run-david-zegarac-1.6341667

https://nypost.com/2022/02/08/canada-trucker-protest-hit-and-run-suspect-is-antifa-punk-rocker-david-zegarac/

Also, Freedom Fighters:

ATTENTION: Be on the look-out for balaclava sporting Confederate or Nazi flag waving unidentifiable but highly suss folks wearing dark sunglasses at your local Canadian Freedom Rallies too...

Be Vigilant.

"Not one of us!"

https://search.brave.com/images?q=photo+of+confederate+flag+waver+at+Freedom+Convoy+Ottawa&source=web&img=26

Especially during Canadian Freedom Convoy Anniversary Week.

Our month long Canada Wide Freedom Convoy ("Insurrection") was taken down, violently.

Our legitimate, peaceful show if nationwide dissent scared Lord Poopy Pants Goodhair into illegally invoking *The Emergencies Act" on our people. (*Formerly known as The War Measures Act.)

https://youtu.be/M04rOg2PGlo

I'd certainly rather be watching a live comedy show in , say, Texas. Maybe a double bill starring Roseanne Barr and JP Spears:

https://www.youtube.com/live/s9k1SYr7H6k?

Or playing a few hands of Texas Holdem and sipping my beverage of choice at the Guitar Hotel in Fort Lauderdale.

Than protesting and posting these types of comments and "in memorium" video clips. 😒

"Police Break Up Protest At The Surrey B.C. Border Crossing February 15 2022"

https://youtu.be/3JTZMMO083g

However: #LetsGoBrandon still won't allow foreign visitors into your country without proof of vaccination.

So, until that entry restriction is lifted:

Please continue to pray for your unjabbed northern neighbours who are still driving the mountain passes with chains on and shovelling out, here in Canuckistan.

For the 3rd winter in a row.

Because we're not legally allowed to board a plane, train, ferry or vehicle headed to the Land of the Free.

Unfortunately, unvaxxed Canadians still aren't (technically) permitted to cross the US border.

We can't spend our hard earned dollars on airfares, hotels, food and beverages, rental cars, entertainment and souvenirs in the Sunshine State.

Nor in any other US state for that matter.

That included Puerto Rico and any other US Territory.

"If you are not fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you will NOT be allowed to board a flight to the United States and its territories, unless you meet the criteria for an exception under the Proclamation and CDC Order."

https://www.kayak.com/travel-restrictions/puerto-rico

We're so weary of it all.

We might be worn out and depressed from lack of natural vitamin D derived from the sun, however until Freedom Improves, in my country and in yours:

Rest assured that Canada's rag-tag Plaid Army will continue to resist tyranny.

With any and all constitutionally protected (ha!) legitimate, legal means still at our disposal:

https://youtu.be/w1nCg1OdrDA

#NoAmnesty πŸ’”πŸ’‰β˜ 

#SilenceIsConsent πŸ“£ πŸ—£ πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ

#StormTheBastilleMyBreathren πŸ”₯

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Shelle's avatar

Thank you for pointing out this important issue: that the U.S. is still lording their power over people from other countries who seek to legally visit or emigrate here. They don't do it to U.S. citizens because they can't get away with it. But they do it to whoever they feel they have power over. It bothers me so much that more U.S. citizens don't speak up about it simply because it isn't affecting them directly. But it shows we haven't won yet and it shows the cruel hearts of those continuing to inflict this vindictive control over other people's bodies and freedoms.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

But we have millions of unjabbed foreigners crossing our southern border everyday. I say Canadians just come through the back door - it's wide open! Heck, we'll probably pay for a trip to your destination inside the country too!

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

πŸ˜‰ I hear you sistuh by another mistuh.

New video breaking:

"Trudeau on Trial." Produced by Rebel News.

Please, pay it forward. Thanks sisters and brothers in (locked) arms. ❀

https://youtu.be/W_6i6eNNBl4

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Odd One's avatar

It should be the star. It’s meant to provoke a visceral reaction.

The jabs are genocide, people need to be shocked awake.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

So you, a normal good person with a brain can’t come here to the states but 3mil (not sure that’s the correct number) illegals are here, and the number is growing every day. Crazy 🀑 world. I’m sorry, you probably feel like a prisoner.

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

"Crazy 🀑 world."

Sure feels that way, and yes, I was a prisoner of Trudeau's Canuckistan, being held against my will, without charges, for simply opting to stand on my (ostensibly) constitutionally protected ground.

For 8 long months.

Once Trudeau lifted Canada's ban against humans who would not be tolerated in our country? You'd think that was the end of this madness.

https://youtu.be/W_6i6eNNBl4

Ummm... No.

It's 8 months after the Canada wide ban against the unjabbed was "suspended". (Not ended. Full stop.)

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-opposes-bill-lift-foreign-air-visitor-vaccination-rule-2023-02-07/

Sorry not sorry. White House says not so fast...

I'm still imprisoned here. I will remain so, until the United States says "c'mon down".

Now, peruse this CDC fact sheet. Click. Click. Click. Keep clicking. The information made me weep with frustration.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

Like this part:

"Results from recent research studies show that people who menstruate may observe small, temporary changes in menstruation after COVID-19 vaccination, including:

Longer duration of menstrual periods

Shorter intervals between periods

Heavier bleeding than usual

Despite these temporary changes in menstruation, there is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines cause fertility problems.

Did you catch it?

"... people who menstruate...".

I learned, back in 6th grade, that it's GIRLS, not BOYS, or MEN, nor is it "people", who menstruate.

It's WOMEN.

SAY OUR GENDER!!!

Dr. Naomi Wolf's data differs, markedly, from the woke science pap posted on the CDC site.

Moreover: Dr. Wolf's and Pfizer's own Safety Study data, contradicts the CDC's claim that:

"... there is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines cause fertility problems".

Oh no you don't! A number of WOMEN and GIRLS world-wide beg to differ with the CDC!

Finally, if you want to start tearing your hair out: listen to this highly educated doctor's word salad regarding HIS MEDICAL OPINION about women's menstrual cycles, & fertility issues, post-jab. (And a bunch of other post-jab issues.)

We'll skip right over lactation issues for now as the good Doctor is pressed for time, he hasn't heard of any but another "Good Question" for him to ponder after the stream...

We'll revisit all these good questions, perhaps after a year, after there's more Lancet research papers and data available.

I just listened to this guy. That's why I'm fuming & spewing a bit. (I'd never heard of this doctor, prior to an hour or so ago.)

Have to release some pressure or my brain may explode. (NOT due to a jab injury.)

Meet Dr. Eugene Gu, born and raised in San Francisco, mother from Korea, father from China, however he doesn't speak either language, only speaks "American" because...

Seriously. He said it. Can't make this stuff up.

You'll hear some pretty outrageous Cognitive Dissonance being spouted as well. (It's all on the VivavFrei Rumble Record now... Good Luck walking any of it back, Dr. Gu.)

https://rumble.com/v29rrc2-interview-with-dr.-eugene-gu-from-covid-to-vaccines-and-the-state-of-medici.html

PS: Karen, thank you for recognizing I'm a "normal good person with a brain". ❀

Doctor Gu's brain? May have recently turned to goo. Might be due to brain injury. From too many shots of safe and effective gobbledeegook. πŸ˜‰

Data from Germany:

https://youtu.be/NZhzWzoPB3M

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Marsha McGrath's avatar

Thanks for a great (truthful) piece! Fun, but true!

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Bandit's avatar

Do you think most people will know what a yellow star signifies? Anyone under 40 or 50, I don't think they will. The younger, the more clueless they are. If they do know, my next question is, will they care?

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daverkb's avatar

This is about where I am at with this all at this point. Fact: we live in a Terror State. Fact: There is no rule of law. Fact: it is now a failed state. So what's left to us?

Resist, Resist, Resist.

(And have to go through a living hell, most likely. It makes the blood boil!)

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Karmy's avatar

Pray a lot. Ask for Jesus’ mercy. Get prepared because it’s going to be a bumpy ride. Store water (see Ohio) food and other preps. We are being chastised.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

That’s what masks are ….

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ASK's avatar

No yellow star. Digital Vax passports to control you. Unless you’re one of the few β€˜they left behind outside of the smart cities’ (WEF)

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Red Canyon Gal's avatar

Tis my hope, have lived for decades in the back of beyond. Heck, we can starve out here, eating lizards en brochette-- but we have a good spring and good solar gain in the house...

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Oona Pilot's avatar

I think it is part of an INTERNATIONAL medical code that the US also uses (Hello, WHO we see you). So, unless you can separate them out, and pass a Congressional law to do so aka US will not abide by that particular code will not be allowed to COLLECT INFO OR USE IT, you'd be ramming your head into a wall. This is a coordinated attempt to circumvent any and ALL protections people have in various nation states against just such control behaviors by the gov't and corporations. Corporations deeply want the loot/money, gov'ts want the 'partnership' and will try every single trick to sneak it in. I'm going to be finding a concierge doctor, and I'm not going to be using the regular medical services utilizing the insurance cos. anymore as right of now, the system has me coded as no data on it (I've not been to a doctor since 2020 for rabies vaccine/bat exposure).

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Banjocat's avatar

It’s been 15 years since I’ve gone to an allopathic doctor. During Obama’s reign I dropped my employer provided β€œhealth” insurance and applied for private catastrophic coverage for half the price. The agency said they’d never seen a faster approval process - because I had no medical history in the system. Of course, I lost my insurance thanks to Obamacare... β€œyou won’t lose your current coverage”; remember that lie?

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Martha's avatar

According to the Epoch Times, the COVID-19 vax codes are unique to the U.S.:

"The ICD was originally developed by the World Health Organization. U.S. authorities have their own version of the system. The COVID-19 immunization codes are not listed in the World Health Organization’s ICD."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/why-experts-are-concerned-about-the-new-medical-codes-for-covid-19-vaccination-status_5053996.html

[Paywalled Article that is worth reading if you can get to it...]

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daverkb's avatar

First, nearly all of The Agenda (NWO, Agenda 21/30 and more) is exported from the United Nations and its agencies and front running NGOs, etc., ... and into countries around the world, including the US. First step, get out of the United Nations.

I don't care what 'they' call it by name, because it does not matter. The Terror System tracks everything. 'They are in our phones, TV and monitors/computers, credit card tracking, house spies like Alexis, and you name it. Therefore, they certainly eye Health Control with relish as they do Digital Control Currency. The only way to end this Reign of Terror is to end the American Empire and defund the Feds and their dependencies. Essential Services only.

(Yeah! I know 'essential' is in the eye of the beholder. And so, outright collapse is probably the only solution ... and maybe that's just around the corner? We'll just have to wait and see. And by the way, with the Ukraine war lost, not enough ammo, balloons and space aliens, sanctions systemic failure and throw in Pedo Pete and a nonsensical State of the dis-Union speech, I now consider the United States a Failed State. Only the last shoes need to go thump, thump, thumps across the world stage. As it is, most of the rest of the world has already left the room. Sad but true!)

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aromagal's avatar

The US has been a failed state for a long time. It's just now coming to light for everyone to see!

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daverkb's avatar

By degrees, it's been a long slide. War Between the States (national central government instituted), Wilson administration (income tax and direct election of senators amendings plus Federal Reserve Act), FDR administration (gold and receivership), Kennedy Assassination (coup d'etat), 1971 closing the gold window, Great Banana Republic Election of 2020 (coup d'etat) and finally the twin disasters of the 21st century (911/surveillance state, covid/health terrorism). These are key inflection points wherein things go markedly from bad to worse. The 21st century is, of course, down the toilet drain at hyper-speed.

One may argue the precise point wherein United States became a failed state. But for me, it's where the state goes visibly over the edge... and really the point of no return. Covid Terrorism probably put key world leaders over the edge, but being political animals these leaders realized that they were powerless to overcome the sheer emotional fear and panic of the herds with applied reason. And so, it was the Ukraine proxy war and sanctioning which finally turned the trick. The world was fat long last provoked into voting its wallet ... and just Walking-Away, and setting up a new trade and monetary system which renders the USD reserve system irrelevant. The United States is powerless to reverse this movement away from the USD. Furthermore, the rest of the non-Western world is thumbing its nose at the now staggering Clown Giant. (Why, MBS would not even pick up the phone! And little South Africa told Janet Yellen to take a hike!)

Since Russia failed to collapse, and is now winning the war, it's lately been all balloons, space aliens and a rash of train disasters (conspicuously in red areas, I might add). And I figure that all of this kind of goings on is pretty ludicrous looking to all of the non-Western world. Also, factions within the nominal United States are warring against each other, and also against we the people. And also ... NOT a winning strategy. It's beginning to look pretty much End of the Line!

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

New medical diagnosis codes for COVID-19 immunization status have been added in the United States.

One code is for being β€œunvaccinated for COVID-19.”

That code β€œmay be assigned when the patient has not received at least one dose of any COVID-19 vaccine,” the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which implemented the new codes in 2022, states in a document outlining the codes.

Another code is for being partially vaccinated or having received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine but not having received enough doses to meet the CDC’s definition of fully vaccinated.

The goal of the codes is β€œto track people who are not immunized or only partially immunized,” according to the CDC.

Experts say the codes don’t fit with the International Classification of Diseases, which has diagnoses for diseases and reasons for health care visits.

Here is part of it. I read that there are no codes for any vaccine harm, but don't know if it is true. It might just be for death certificates.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

If it'll make you feel any better: In the first place, the patient can LIE. In November 2022 my eye doctor (!!!) asked my (flu) vaccination status. I asked if they were required to ask that and she said "yes." So I answered honestly that I hadn't had the shot in several years. It was only later that I realized I should have replied "Unless you can convince me that information is essential to the care I will receive today, it's none of your business."

A second point: Just because there are ICD codes for many things doesn't mean that a provider will honestly enter a diagnosis/event. I'm not talking honest mistakes or other screw-ups either. Just consider the various pressures on the doctor or nurse entering the codes. Some diagnoses are more "acceptable" than others. Entering less-favored ones will adversely affect one's promotion or even continued employment. We already have been seeing this effect in the media where apparently young, healthy people are having heart attacks or turbo cancers. We can all suspect a cause, but the talking heads go out of their way to conjure up alternative explanations rather than even dare to mention The Unspeakable.

Well, the same delicacy would apply in this case: Pretend you are a health provider and some VIP, or more likely, a closer friend or relative of a powerful person, is your patient. He presents with disease/injury from some embarrassing condition, say recreation drug abuse or perhaps a gerbil in an awkward place (yes, it apparently really happens). You provide treatment, but you will probably use great creativity in putting in a euphemistic ICD code, won't you?

Finally, an observation relating to the general issue of the reliability of data. Anyone who's ever worked in databases or any large organization that relies on centralized data, thousands or millions of records, entered by myriad employees of wildly varying aptitudes, about sundry phenomena, will know how laughably unreliable much of that data is. "Garbage in, garbage out" is a truism in IT. Yes, some data can be of higher integrity (e.g. bank transactions) but to insure that requires a level of error-checking that is often unavailable in many fields. I suspect that in many, perhaps the majority of instances of entered data, that there is simply little or no double-checking of that data preferably by a disinterested second party. This is due to constraints imposed by budgets, availability of personnel, etc. In fact, this inherent unreliability of previously entered data that's in the system is one of the very impediments to those optimistic plans such as "evidence based medicine." In many cases errors in data won't necessarily have dire implications if they are wrong or incomplete. But in a person's health history? Quite the opposite. As such, a realistic practitioner would distrust what the record says, knowing it is prone to many errors. Instead he will rely on immediately available data (e.g. order his own tests, rather than rely on what Dr. X entered six months or a year ago). The patient's health/life is riding upon accurate information, as is the doctor's reputation.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

true. being one in 330 million is not even a drop in the sea. and even though we are all here on substack means very little I guess. If the govt were to pick out some, it would be the McMullough and Malone type. Not one in a million. But it did startle me a few years ago, that when I came home from the doc, my search page was full of adds for something they checked (and for which there are pricy meds) and it took a few weeks before that stopped. That is how safe our date is.

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David A's avatar

They are, and AFAIK there are no codes for COVID shot harms. Also, they decide when to code, and whom to use the codes on.

https://anderdaa7.substack.com/p/covid-policy-2020-vs-2023-and-prophylactics

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Jkelly's avatar

T50.B95 adverse reaction to covid vaccine

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Jamie Leigh's avatar

T50.B95 Adverse effect of other viral vaccines

T50.Z9 Poisoning by, adverse effect of and underdosing of other vaccines and biological substances

I think it would be the T.Z code

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Jamie Leigh's avatar

In other words I don't see one that specifically says "CV vaccine"

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Why would "Poisoning by adverse effect of" and "*Underdosing* of other vaccines and biological substances" be in the same code? Doesn't seem to be a great way to gather any meaningful statistics. But it is a great way to hide vax injury as being "under vaccinated".

Also, notice how they can code the cv injection truthfully as a "biological substance" rather than a "vaccine" because it's not.

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David A's avatar

Which means they can possibly manipulate the COVID harms including heart issues to the unvaccinated, depending on how and whom they record vaccine status to.

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MaryAnn's avatar

Went for my annual mammo after not setting foot near the behemoth med facility in my area for over a year. Signage indicated C-19 incidence was high so masking required... I approached to check in and noticed the personnel there had masks hanging off one ear. I did the same. :)) Then I was asked if I had received a C-19 booster in the last 90 days. Clearly gathering jab stats.

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Mom in Florida's avatar

They may have been asking so you would postpone mammo if you had.

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Bonnie d's avatar

You can see it for free with email. Crazy article.

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Jon Stephenson's avatar

Unfortunately my insurance charges me a penalty (or doesn't give me a "discount") if I don't get a yearly physical :(

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Banjocat's avatar

See, everything is met with coercive tactics (for our own good, of course). I do not avail myself of medical insurance. I go to MDs or homeopaths that have established practices outside of the medical matrix. I look forward to the day when this medical mafia system implodes.

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Jon Stephenson's avatar

Financially I'm stuck with employer insurance, sadly. Though we have been seeing a naturopath some lately

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Banjocat's avatar

Ugh,,, I know this is how it is for many. I never thought it was a good idea to wed medical insurance with employment. You lose your job you lose your coverage... just never made any sense to me. And now they wield this benefit like an ax to make you comply with the "rules". I know someday all of this will change. Until then, we do the best we can. Much luck and love to you!

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Julie's avatar

This might be too simplistic but I have just told physicians who ask about this that I am not willing to discuss 'this'. interesting that they drop the questioning right away..

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I often thought about saying, "Let's discuss the adverse events in VAERS first."

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Julie's avatar

I usually don't want to give these docs the time of day at this point because actually I would suggest that most already have a good Idea that the shots are a 'bad idea' but are just doing the corporation they work for bidding.. I am encouraged to hear of some 'shot-docs' starting to come around but not in great numbers yet..

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Karen Bandy's avatar

But now they can bill insurance if they counsel you. More money for them.

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aromagal's avatar

I would say with a grin on my face, something like "Sorry but you don't have the security clearance required for the information you're requesting"

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Karen Bandy's avatar

πŸ€£πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ˜‰

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Annie's avatar

Good question. I would also say to avoid the msm doctors, if possible, since we know they are big pharma drug pushers.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Its any doctor who takes insurance. β€˜We have to enact it to know what’s in it’ Thanks Obummer and Pelosi and the lot of them.

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FourWinds's avatar

Edit: If I do not have enough coffee, I apparently cannot spell HIPAA nor find the spell correct. Sorry! (end edit)

I just started working at a pharmacy (I know, I know, it was a requirement so I could work the rest of the time in a home health care position I really wanted) and I seem to remember that HIPPA states you have the right to share or not share your PHI (personal health information) as you see fit. You also have the right to see your records at any point and to see how that information was shared and with whom. This is up to 5 years in the past. The catch is if you refuse to share your "vaccination" status with anyone, then it stands to reason a billing code can't be generated for whatever that was attached to, so insurance may not pay for whatever that code would have been attached to. I'm really new to all of this and may have some of that wrong, but the bottom line is you have a right to ask who the doctor discloses any of your information to and what they disclosed. I suspect any letter you send (and it most certainly should be in writing) stating you do not want such and such shared must be honored or they violate HIPPA. But, I am no lawyer or expert on this - I'm still learning. Sorry I don't know more.

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Copernicus's avatar

HIPPA allows legally or contractually required sharing of health information.

It really was never about genuine privacy, sad to say. It's basically a way of letting you know that your dr, hospital, etc CAN AND WILL SHARE your information to coordinate care, perform billing, etc, etc. They frame in words that make it sound like it's a privacy protection law, eg, "we only share to coordinate care, to receive payment for services," and so on.

HIPPA is not what we all have imagined it to be.

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Cathleen Manny's avatar

Yes, HIPAA (not HIPPA, please folks!) is a total farce. I worked at a public health agency when HIPAA was rolled out.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

EXACTLY! i knew this when it was enacted - it never was about your privacy; it was about insulating healthcare providers from being sued for sharing your medical information with the Borg.

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daverkb's avatar

It was always about corralling farm animals and false narratives ... and all about control, repression, suppression and total obedience. Even Geo. Orwell can't make all this stuff up. Privacy in a Total Terror Spy State is an oxymoron.

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ASK's avatar

These are all new Non-billable codes designating Covid-19 non vaccination or partial vaccination and delinquent vax status on other vaccines. They do have a billable one for β€˜vaccine counseling’, otherwise known as indoctrination.

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Copernicus's avatar

They are diagnosis codes. The non-billable ICD codes.

Billing codes are CPT codes and are, well, billable.

Two separate systems of codes.

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Deb's avatar

Would it be possible to have a letter put in your medical record stating you do not allow non billable events in your records?

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Your "permanent record?" Right there next to the report from your 2nd grade teacher that you pulled Missy's hair on recess?

C'mon people - remove yourselves from the Medical Industrial Complex and its authoritarian clutches. You'll miss nothing, except maybe myocarditis.

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Copernicus's avatar

The verbiage is wrong.

The "non billable" codes the other commenter references are diagnosis codes. These are the ICD codes. Without them, your dr and hospital will not be paid by insurance. They describe in numerical code the reason for your visit: high blood pressure, well-child visit, broken right leg due to car accident, broken right leg due to car accident follow-up visit, sunburn, etc, etc, etc. You can't not have them.

But sure, you can refuse to answer vacccc questions and tell them you don't want that in your diagnosis codes. They may or may not honor your request.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

If I'm asked (if I ever go back to the doctor) I'll ask him back - What does that have to do with anything? Does it affect my broken arm? (Or whatever I'm forced to go there for.) The more data they can collect and submit, the more they are reimbursed for your visit, is the way I understand it.

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Copernicus's avatar

They are required to tick a certain number of boxes within various categories in order to substantiate a certain level of billing, yes.

I mean, on the one hand, it makes sense. If you need to discuss a broken arm and a head injury, you should pay more than if you discuss only a broken arm. Just like paying more for a haircut and style than just a cut.

But, I definitely see your point and agree.

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FourWinds's avatar

If I ever go near a medical establishment again - and that would only be for a a broken bone - I will flat out refuse to answer the question about any "vaccine". They can throw a dart a dartboard or flip a coin to guess my answer for all I care.

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Cathleen Manny's avatar

It’s HIPAA, not HIPPA. Health Insurance Portability & Accountability Act. Also, the right to view your records, share them or not, etc. existed Before HIPAA. Everyone seems to think HIPAA β€˜created’ patient confidentiality rules. No. It was designed to make electronic softwares more secure (haha) and it created way too much red tape (forms, etc.) in order to advocate for your loved ones and access their medical records and communicate with their medical providers.

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Shelle's avatar

So you're saying it made it easy for medical groups to share our info with each other and violate our privacy and difficult for relatives to help with our medical care because they get locked out?

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Pretty much.

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FourWinds's avatar

That's what I get for not proofreading! Thanks. I think in light of all the good replies I will simply decline to ever answer any questions about any "vaccines".

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JosΓ© QuiΓ±ones's avatar

HIPAA was a sop to the gay community to let them legally hide their HIV+ status from the medical professionals who served them. They couldn't come right out and say they wanted to give bug chasers a special medical status, so they hid the truth behind big words like "patient confidentiality." HIPAA was never going to protect the rest of us.

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Annie's avatar

What hippa? Vaccine passports violate your privacy.

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FourWinds's avatar

Agreed, and I never could understand how that was remotely legal at all.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

The same way the ADA was thrown on the floor and trampled in 2020 - β€œthey” decided it was inconvenient to their agenda and they simply ignored it and didn’t prosecute anyone violating that federal law. Instead they shamed the disabled for daring to cite that as a source of freedom from medical tyranny.

I have gone forward signing NOTHING AND GIVING THEM NO PERMISSIONS at the doctors office to share my PMI except for a consent to treat form. I do not give them permission to share my medical info with anyone. Now, that being said, I think the car left that garage for the past 40+ years when I did sign all their forms πŸ™„ I’m sure they already have all the info they need to use against me at some point they deem necessary for my compliance to whatever they’re doing at that moment. πŸ˜’

But I will at least do whatever I can to protect myself going forward and maybe a few receptionists and nurses will get an eye opening and start asking why none of us suddenly want to sign their forms 😱 πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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daverkb's avatar

Bravo! Resist the best you can!

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Cathleen Manny's avatar

Legal?! Is anything β€˜legal’ any more? Doesn’t feel like it to me.

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Help Needed in KS's avatar

Legal is whatever the lawyers say it is today.

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Cathleen Manny's avatar

Or, whatever β€˜officials’, β€˜authorities’, government hacks, or β€˜experts’ say.

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Cathleen Manny's avatar

HIPAA, not HIPPA!

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FourWinds's avatar

Yep, not enough coffee for me apparently. Thanks!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

To be honest- My thought is our ONLY true hope (no letter will suffice) is either not going to Dr at all. Or going to a cash only/boutique Dr who is likely a functional med/med freedome Dr.

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John Bugni's avatar

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

I found what you are speaking of: a functional Dr with a cash only practice that answers to no one but himself and his patient. Found him on FLCCC Aliance web site referral service. (Frontline Covid Critical Care Alliance.)

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

There's another freedom doctor alliance that's starting up. A doctor commented on another substack but I forgot to write it down.

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aromagal's avatar

Dr. Simone Gold is starting a private medical service called Gold Care.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Thank you for sharing. I was thinking of this site posted earlier in the week but forgot it. It may help others find someone.

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aromagal's avatar

I've only set foot in an MD's office once in the last 25 years and that was 18 years ago. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on individual health insurance during that time --none of which was used. I've been paying out of pocket to see a chiropractor once a month throughout that time. Health insurance is the biggest racket going. I've spent more on it than I have out of pocket for alternative health care. The ONLY true hope is to learn how to take care of your self so you don't need to go to a doctor except in case of an emergency. That's why I shifted my business model to showing people how to take back control of their health using natural solutions and alternative modalities. It's not as complicated as most people think!

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Julie Ann B's avatar

I’m going to tell my physician in person that I do not consent to have myself identified with an ICD code on my chart and see what she says. If she tells me it’s required I’ll let her know that I won’t be back and she is violating my right to privacy in my healthcare decisions.

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SJ's avatar

I don't think you can limit what goes between insurers and physicians as it's contractual agreement and there is likely also verbiage in the patient and insurer agreement when you sign up for insurance that you agree to allow transfer of that info.

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Annie's avatar

Avoid the doctors. Since last year I stopped doing the annual company paid bloodwork. Screw them. They don't give a damn about my health. If it becomes a requirement for medical insurance, then they can take me off of it. My grandfather always said the more you go to the doctor, the more ways they look to make money off you. You don't make money off a healthy patient. He was so right.

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SadieJay's avatar

That is where Obamacare comes in and health insurance is "mandatory" for those who buy that. I agree...not interested in having another "free wellness visit" included in our insurance plan. Not happening anymore. Luckily it has been one year since i have been to the doc for my last visit and postponed the next wellness visit until April, which will be canceled by me. God is good and works in mysterious ways...not letting them in and my cell phone is going to be the next casualty of this war. Disconnecting myself one app at a time.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

WooHOO! Way to go, Sadie!

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aromagal's avatar

Just skip the wellness visits altogether. They are pointless.

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Annie's avatar

Best comment and idea!

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Timbo Slice's avatar

Or, find a doctor who gets it and just wants you to feel better. Straight up ask them...do you believe in the vax? Mask? etc. If they tell you it's BS, you've found a good doc. They're out there, but they're probably very busy because everyone with half a brain wants to go to them.

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John Bugni's avatar

Look for a functional Phyisician. They usually get it.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

I HAD one like that. From the get-go, he said he'd never take the vax, never be tested. Our hospital/clinic is heavily funded by CMS, so even though he said he moved to another town because the hours were better, more time at home, etc, I know they ran him off with vax mandates. I mean, really... who sells a 300+acre cattle ranch and a nice large house only to be afford to buy 30 acres and a tiny house that needs reno with that same money, especially with 3 growing boys. I miss him dearly. 😒

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SB's avatar

I think that's the pharma mantra, too: Keep them sick = more money! Have you noticed how many pharma ads are now about drugs to help you with other drugs?

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aromagal's avatar

I know! It's bananas! Why take an anti-depressant if you need to take another drug to make it work? Can people really be this gullible? Yes they can!

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Oona Pilot's avatar

I know it has been explained that these are NOT benign codes - these codes are for 'vaccine status' and 'needs more education' etc etc. And they are specific to Covid19 vaxes. Quite chilling when you look at them as a series of codes... I forget whom but there is a substack writer who has explored this in detail. US is part of WHO and the new codes structure comes from them, not the insurance cos. The insurance cos. are using it because the treaty we are part of - of medical international codes - requires it NOT because the insurance cos. require it. I urge you to look this up and read more because it more than any other piece of the puzzle it is the one that will chain you forever and strip forever your right to freedom of bodily autonomy. Also, look into the CBDC which can be used for the UBI which in turn can be turned on and off as desired if you fail to act in a socially 'correct' manner, e.g. fail to get your vaccine juice as ordererd. See Dr. Yeadon on that part - he waxes quite eloquent on it.

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Copernicus's avatar

The dr is likely to say it's required as part of complete record keeping.

Now we understand why HIV+ folks did not want that recorded in their medical records years ago.

Now we know why They pushed for universal adoption of electronic media records. I always said it was for the benefit of billing (easier to deny claims if drs haven't {literally} ticked enough boxes or the right boxes or the boxes in the right places) and for research. I never considered it would be used for discrimination against people though.

Also, drs are typically paid more by insurance companies for meeting certain quality benchmarks. For instance, having x percentage of adults with high cholesterol on a statin, or for pediatricians, having x percentage of kids fully vaxxxxed by age x. Just wait for the insurance companies to add c0vld jabs to their quality metrics. The only way for drs to get credit is via these codes, I think.

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Peace's avatar

I'm sorry to report the insurance companies have already added the Covid vaccines to their incentivized metrics.

Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield Medicaid

COVID-19 Vaccine Provider Incentive program

Getting vaccinated against COVID-19 is one of the best and safest ways people can protect themselves and their families against the virus. As a participating practice in the COVID-19 Provider Vaccine Incentive program, we recognize your hard work by offering incentives for helping patients make the choice to become vaccinated.

Eligibility

The COVID-19 Vaccine Provider Incentive program is open to you if you are a participating Kentucky primary care provider with an Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield Medicaid (Anthem) panel size of 25 or more members. All Anthem members identified as receiving COVID-19 vaccination services are included in the methodology. Vaccine results will be determined by a COVID-19 vaccine claim or by confirmation from the Kentucky Vaccine Registry.

The results will be calculated for two time periods:

β€’ September 1, 2021 ΜΆ Initial incentive payment β€’ December 31, 2021 ΜΆ Final incentive payment

How you can qualify for a bonus

If your practice meets the below thresholds for vaccination with at least one dose by September 1, 2021, you will receive the initial incentive payment based on the following rates:

β€’ 30% Anthem members vaccinated ΜΆ $20 bonus per vaccinated member

β€’ 40% Anthem members vaccinated ΜΆ $45 bonus per vaccinated member

β€’ 50% Anthem members vaccinated ΜΆ $70 bonus per vaccinated member

β€’ 60% Anthem members vaccinated ΜΆ $100 bonus per vaccinated member

β€’ 75% Anthem members vaccinated ΜΆ $125 bonus per vaccinated member

The final incentive payment is calculated based on members who are newly vaccinated between September 1, 2021 and December 31, 2021 (see the Appendix for calculation examples). If your practice meets the below thresholds for vaccination with at least one dose by December 1, 2021, you will receive the final incentive payment based on the following rates:

β€’ 30%Anthem members vaccinated ΜΆ $100 bonus per newly vaccinated member

β€’ 40% Anthem members vaccinated ΜΆ $150 bonus per newly vaccinated member

β€’ 50% Anthem members vaccinated ΜΆ $175 bonus per newly vaccinated member

β€’ 60% Anthem members vaccinated ΜΆ $200 bonus per newly vaccinated member

β€’ 75% Anthem members vaccinated ΜΆ $250 bonus per newly vaccinated member

https://providers.anthem.com/ky

Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield Medicaid isthe trade name of Anthem Kentucky Managed Care Plan, Inc., independent licensee of the Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association.Anthem isa registered trademarkof AnthemInsurance Companies, Inc.

AKYPEC-2982-21 October 2021

When you will receive your bonus

The first payment will be sent by electronic funds transfer or check based on the payment method used for claim reimbursement. Please allow 7 to 10 business days to receive payment. If you have not received it within that timeframe, reach out to a Provider Experience Consultant at

800-205-5870, option 3. The second payment will be generated on or before January 31, 2022.

Visit https://providers.anthem.com/kentucky-provider/communications/covid-19-updates for more information about the COVID-19 Vaccine Provider Incentive program. We greatly appreciate your partnership and look forward to working with you in the future.

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Copernicus's avatar

So they now get even more cash for bullying and badgering the remaining pure bloods into submission.

I am appalled but not surprised.

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Marsha McGrath's avatar

Very good info to have! Thx.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Given the disaster the jabs are causing to health, life & disability insurance companies, jabs *could* go the other way.

The jabbed are much higher risk. The more, the higher.

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Copernicus's avatar

Well, one would think this would be the case. Common sense and all. But the ideological agenda, whatever that may be, seems to be overriding common sense lately.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

What stopping people from just saying Yes, I'm fully vaxed, doc. Just doing my part, ya know. Are they then checking for vax cards? If so, you could say you went to a vax clinic somewhere else and have "misplaced" your vax card. Sounds like they're trying to track other vaxes, too. I don't believe my vax record has survived for 60 yrs.

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aromagal's avatar

A pure blood friend of mine had a recent medical emergency and had to go to the ER. His wife told me the magic words are "Up to date." ;-)

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Beinformed's avatar

I wonder what happens if you simply refuse to answer the question. With the Epic charting system in place, tracking medical diagnosis will be very easy.

My assumption is they will make it a Medicare/Medicaid rule to ask the question, thus every medical practice hired via a large corporation will push that rule or they will lose funding if a review of their records is done. It is what is being done now.

It is correct two codes were created in 2020 for Covid. That was for hospitalizations. Creating ICD 10 codes for vaccine status is new.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Yes, and they’ll be able to bill insurance for counseling you about taking the jab. More money for docs!

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Copernicus's avatar

Truthfully, all medical billing is based on complexity of the patient and/or time spent with the patient. There are billing codes for smoking cessation counseling, probably for dietary counseling, and I think that there have been codes for extended parental counseling about routine childhood vaxxxxines. From their perspective, it makes sense that if they go the effort and trouble of spending an extra ten minutes discussing your {unfounded, in their mind} objections to a procedure, they should be compensated for that time, as that time is over and above what is included in the normal office visit.

I'm not saying it is right. I am simply saying how it is. And yes, we all are continuing to see how captured even our drs are. There is a reason they drove most of the docs away from private practice and into being employees.

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Kathleen's avatar

If one must go to the doctor, and they ask, I would say that I refuse to answer that question and be put into your database. It is not a diagnoses. Take your ICD-10 codes and shove them.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Thank you for asking the question. Hope Jeff Childers will get on this. I can’t care less about the war balloons and Bidens semantics on it!

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

The likely response: The medical chart needs to contain all pertinent medical info for providers to be able to diagnose & treat.

Eg, you arrive at ED unconscious from a car accident.

From a med lab tech perspective, if weird (or even uncommon but known) crap turns up in a cbc manual differential, we need to determine if it is an analyzer issue or a blood issue before reporting anything to the Dr.

From Dr's perspective, if the lab tech reports finding rouleaux, knowing your jab status rules jabs in or out as possible cause.

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Copernicus's avatar

Well, only rules it in or out if the dr is open to including jab in his differential.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Agreed. Which is another issue altogether.

I was only providing the likely argument that would be made.

Btw, it's essentially the same argument for why trans people need to advise doctors of their biological sex, not their wishful thinking.

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David A's avatar

There is AFAIK, no code for COVID jab harm. They decide when to apply codes as well.https://anderdaa7.substack.com/p/covid-policy-2020-vs-2023-and-prophylactics

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John Bugni's avatar

I need a code for blogging codes. It too me a while to figure out AFAIK...and MILF.

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David A's avatar

Well, now you are HTTB

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

From what I've seen pre-covid, some doctors take liberties with reported diagnosis to get best insurance coverage for patient.

I would guess (hope) that those drs. would do the same.

Otoh, the jab injuries aren't reported, but the injuries themselves have names (eg myocarditis, pericarditis, high blood pressure, various neuropathies, etc.) which is what would be reported by icd.

Then again, "hit by car" probably doesn't have an icd code, but the broken bones & other kind of injuries caused by it do.

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Annie's avatar

Hmm. No code for SADS?

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David A's avatar

No code for S.A.D. either, Standard American Diet, heavy carbs, processed seed oils, tons of sugar, that kills millions.

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Annie's avatar

Or whether you are an organ donor. An unvaxxed organ donor should know if they can harvest your organs earlier than they should and get away with it, they will.

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Shelle's avatar

Why an unvaxxed organ donor any more than a vaxxed donor?

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Annie's avatar

You don't have spike proteins or clots. Your organs would be free from that.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

does anyone have access and can they post a different source? not a subscriber and wanted to read this. :(

Even copy past in comment??

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OnTheJump's avatar

Lisa - try this ......... enter

> https://12ft.io/ <

JUST BEFORE the link you are attempting to open.

for example:

https://12ft.io/https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/the-federal-government-is-tracking-the-unvaccinated_5056313.html?src_src=morningbriefnoe&src_cmp=mb-2023-02-16&est=OHQtZskW3Q7wK%2FkDNEPZLDsGmk6me6P06qEo3PkSlTGdASmfDIB8tBp59OJD%2BNkoVw%3D%3D

...should permit you to "climb" the wall...................

can use that on a few paywalled sites - but not ALL.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Thanks n kovi! We used to used fake logins to access paid content from sites like bugnenot.com.

*Autocorrect kept changing your name to Kevin! πŸ™„

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Im unvaccinated and they know it already

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Peter πŸ”’'s avatar

i can send if that doesn't work. posty email with interrupts in here.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Hi Peter- would you? Isaiah 419n10 gmail Thx!!!

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David A's avatar

AFAIK there are no codes for COVID shot harms. They decide when to apply the codes as well, so nothing but FUBAR statistics will come from them.https://anderdaa7.substack.com/p/covid-policy-2020-vs-2023-and-prophylactics

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Kathleen's avatar

GREAT QUESTION

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

Lord, I have heard the report about You and I fear.

O Lord, revive Your work in the midst of the years,

In the midst of the years make it known;

In wrath remember mercy.

β€” Habakkuk 3:2 NASB1995

β€œThe Lord would revive his work among the people in the midst of the years of adversity. This may be applied to every season when the church, or believers, suffer under afflictions and trials. Mercy is what we must flee to for refuge, and rely upon as our only plea. We must not say, Remember our merit, but, Lord, remember thy own mercy.” β€”Matthew Henry

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LMWC's avatar

Asbury University is still experiencing God’s moving. One of many testimonials

https://mcolaw.wordpress.com/2023/02/15/what-my-family-experienced-at-the-asbury-revival/

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walk2write's avatar

Thank you for the link. We attended a church new to us this past Sunday, and the pastor was talking excitedly about this very subject in his sermon. People are hungry for Jesus and nothing else.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Beautiful!

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RJ Rambler's avatar

🀨 Revival starts at home. I'll believe it when i see it changing divorce statistics, church attendence, daily family Bible reading and prayer, less following of celebrities and sports and more obedience to Gods Word and love toward the fellowship which doesn't happen except in great trial. Prepare for greater trials. Trust God not your feelings or your ability to command God with your own will no matter how nice you think you are or He is.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Words of wisdom! And, you can go to church and listen to sermons but if God doesn’t open your heart nothing will change. It will be HIS leading that you will find yourself following.

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LMWC's avatar

If you read many of the testimonials of people who have been at Asbury, perhaps your opinion might change. The young generation needs the message of Asbury. Start it and spread it. Most of the people talking about this are saying it isn’t about a church or a mega pastor, a β€œshow”. Most are saying it was extreme peace. I agree that we can start at home and should but then we ignore thousands who can be reached.

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redpilled69's avatar

I am happy to receive input from this crew. My dilemma as a Christ follower coupled with being a truth seeker of what is/has transpired over the past couple of years has left me struggling to interact. While I certainly pray for people suffering and pray for truth, I am losing my ability to interact in a way that would lead people to Christ or further His kingdom.

It is easy to send people articles, studies, etc... to help them wake up from their psychosis, or to send those things to friends who are already awake as further confirmation of the truth. The difficulty is how to interact with the mask & jab cultists who need to hear about Christ but can't even accept the fact that masks and jabs could possibly be harmful. I find myself caring less and less and viewing died suddenly with "well, there's another one" and not even feeling sad about it. Very easy to quit being outward focused and stop loving people when they need it the most. I just don't know HOW anymore.

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daverkb's avatar

Same here ... and this is also a part of the design. Evil likes to disrupt and smash all normal human intercourse. Evil likes to strip away all self-identifiers and relational identifiers. This is what the lock-downs, masking, distancing was all about. Alienation and Isolation. Pure and Simple.

People here give good advice. Be yourself. Study what Christianity is really about (the cultish fabrications of the Fallen Church will only confuse your mind and those of others). Asking questions and reasoning is more apt to get better 'in person' results than 'telling 'em how is it' even if it is so.

We all are having this problem with family, friends and those in general who drank the Kool Aid. And sometimes, as did the Disciples in the Bible, one must simply shake the dust of the shoes and move on. It's just a plain fact that some people are Brick Walls when it comes to rational discourse.

Edit: I have to remind myself that we are only the messengers. It's not all on us. Because Results are God's. And we will never figure it all out as to the working of our Lord.

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Politico Phil's avatar

As in any great conflict - and the loss of life in this conflict is as great as WWII or worse, it is impossible as an individual to emotionally process all the death and destruction that is taking place as you would for the loss of an individual that you might know or hear of. The scale of the war forces us to deal with the mayhem in a cold and intellectual manner in order to survive. One simply cannot have "feelings" for millions of dead except as a cold, calculating rationality. It's not that you have stopped loving people. It's that you have internally realized that you cannot spread your pearls before swine. There are none so blind as those who will not see and naught but the Holy Spirit can open their eyes. It is not your responsibility to try awaken everyone you meet, virtually or otherwise. Those the Holy Spirit have prepared to see the truth you will recognize when you meet them. Rest in His providence.

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Anthony's avatar

Keep doing your best, but let me emphasize the last part of the second quote:

"We must not say, Remember our merit, but, Lord, remember thy own mercy.” β€”Matthew Henry

Do your best to be merciful and I think your merit will increase.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

And also remember, "But for the grace of God, there go I..." Preaching to myself here.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

I hear you. I have been thinking that coming at these folks from the perspective of their fears and sharing the hope of Christ might be helpful. But I have to get over the disgust first!

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redpilled69's avatar

and I think of Jesus in Matt 24... wickedness, false teachers, lawlessness causing love to grow cold... but we must endure to the end. While he was speaking specifically to his disciples of events in their near future, this is one of those that has also reference to the times before Christ's return... we must love and endure

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Concerned mom's avatar

My greatest drive for opening my mouth to share Jesus with others, is Jesus' own command to us to preach His Word. He didn't qualify that by saying whether people agreed with us on any other subject. Just preach the Word, cuz I believe we will be held to account for NOT doing so...

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Shae's avatar

Janet, Amen!

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Politico Phil's avatar

Matthew Henry - Amen.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

I love MHC! Next to my Bible! β™₯️β™₯️

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

He wrote down some pretty profound thoughts and perceptions.

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Juliann's avatar

Perfect!

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

My nearby private run grocery store, and my nearby hardware store are both still requiring masks, and even the organic food coop where I am a member. I haven't been to any of them for a year, but I do give them a call and ask them when they think I can go there without a mask. I try to end the call with the question, 'So, are you going to require masks forever and ever, and your kids and their kids will have to wear them.....?' I suppose at some point we will be born with them over our faces, right out of the womb? Oh right, nobody can have babies anymore. Oops.

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Peter Schott's avatar

Sadly, I had similar conversations with our church staff back in 2020-2021. They believed the local quack who said "masks work" and required it, though they opened up a small section to be "mask free" after several people complained that there are people who just can't wear a mask for a variety of reasons. One member of the church, a nurse, wore a crocheted "mask" just to try to highlight how silly the whole thing was. Nobody even blinked because it was still a mask.

But I feel for you - so many people trapped in the delusion that masks work. :(

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daverkb's avatar

I was out today with De Wife shopping ... and still a couple of idiots wearing masks. And as well, the vax-ine injuries. Somehow it is still covid ... that cow-catcher of a word.

If we have learned anything from this, it's how dumb the masses are. And it is really, really unsettling.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

Exactly, the crocheted mask is as effective as any. Masks and the 6' rule were always intended as virtue signaling and manipulation.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

Thank you Peter, I appreciate your message.

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Oh Susanna's avatar

Have you thought of trying to just walk in without a mask? If you ask them outright they have to say no, but I've found people are less likely to challenge you if you just enter like you belong there.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

Nope, they are actually militant about it. Luckily I have other shopping options, not requiring masks....but feel it's important to call and 'pester' them about it. They have proved to me they do not need my business and that they are indeed going to keep caving. And I figure most of the employees are jabbed, too which I am trying actively to avoid being around. Dumb don't get my money anymore. Best

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Oh Susanna's avatar

Good for you, agreed that if you can't get in next best is reminding them that they are losing business.

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Wheaton's avatar

My 9 year old daughter was taking dance classes at two different dance studios. We were new to the area and wanted to try both and decide which one we would like better. One dropped the masks the second that schools no longer required them, but the other did not. They sent out an email saying despite schools no longer requiring, they still would. Well I immediately emailed back saying, bad decision, we will never be back, we are withdrawing immediately and we will be with the other studio down the street from now on. I told them, you do not know what is best for my child and to think you do, is insulting. They never replied but I know how much the owner loved my child, she was the one teaching her class. I’m sure it made her think. I wish more people would speak up.

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Alice P. Liddell's avatar

Stop by one day to see them in person. Hand them a mask with MASK PSYCHOSIS written on it with a sharpie.

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Oh Susanna's avatar

Or you could do what one venturesome lady in our local freedom group did during mask mandates here in Ontario....organize a group to all go in and start shopping with masks, and then at a prearranged signal, all take them off at once :D

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Sunnydaze's avatar

When I visited my family in Oregon in 2021 I went into the stores wearing no muzzle. I had friends around me terrified to do so. I told them - you call me when you are ready to go to the store and I will go with you and NOT wear a mask with you! Strength in numbers and courage is contagious!

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Yes INDEED! Had ppl to them off when they saw me not masked. That or screamed at me.

I also sang or whistled hymns quietly at i walked thru stores. You can't do that in a mask.

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Oh Susanna's avatar

Good for you. I started doing the same in Sept 2021 in Canada, and although honestly I was terrified I mostly had no problems other than dirty looks. Got run out of one store in super-woke and mask-obsessed Toronto, but that was about it.

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John Bugni's avatar

Sunnydaze, if you don't mind sharing (it's ok if not) where in Oregon. I'm in Corvallis.

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

Sorry, that's old. Been and did that two years ago. Never ever in a million years would I have thought we'd still be doing this theater two years in.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Love that idea!

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daverkb's avatar

Smart. We really want to limit our exposure to vaxed up people.

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Michael Miller's avatar

I was escorted from the premises of Mayo Clinic when I refused a mask. Felt good to stand by my principles.

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Bones's avatar

You were saved, crappy healthcare

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Credenda's avatar

I think it was the Mayo Clinic, or maybe the Cleveland Clinic which now uses the phrase β€œassigned female” or β€œassigned male” at birth. This is why I don’t trust the medical profession any longer. The poor things are so confused they can’t tell babies apart. I wonder if this will catch on with the vets lol. β€œMama doggy had 6 pups and I assigned half girls and half boys. Of course they’re free to make their own decisions after their first set of puppy shots”.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Mayo are complete medical nazis.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

πŸ’ͺ🏻 πŸ‘ πŸ‘

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

VA will deny medical treatment to veterans not wearing a mask in their health care facilities.

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RunningLogic's avatar

That is such a horrible thing to do to our veterans!!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Yes. Lots of vets have PTSD or have suffered from Military Sexual Trauma (MST).

Depression and anxiety increases when wearing a mask. In addition, there is a decrease in oxygen levels.

Shows they don't care...regardless of what they say.

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LMWC's avatar

Yes, my husband is a vet. But he does it, because like many rationalize it, it’s not that big a deal. He’s not there that much, so he isn’t going to go ballistic about. VA β€˜s were one of the last health care facilities to reopen in 2020. It was over 6 months before he could see his doctor in person. Many people in health care have been wearing masks for nearly 3 years. They’ve become used to it. The depersonalization of health care in total.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

The depersonlization is on purpose.

Reduce people to faceless entities.

They still have the Plexiglas barriers up where you need to check in for your appointment. Too many vets have hearing loss from being in high noise environments in the military. Lots of information gets lost with the Plexiglas barrier, the VA employee wearing a mask, and the veteran wearing a mask. People unconsciously read lips to help with hearing loss, and now they have lost that advantage.

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Oh Susanna's avatar

Yikes. It's like that here in Canada too.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Science just works that way.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

"speed of science"

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Annie's avatar

I have forever written off anyone who still requires masks. Done with them. Or I refuse to wear it. No more backing down. My veterinarian allows you to come into the office now but you have to be masked. I said I refuse to participate in this masking theater. They let me stay mask free but the sheeple waiting with their pets sat there masked.

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CeCe Brown's avatar

I'd be tempted to mask my dog but not myself in that vets office.

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Annie's avatar

The doggies and I are avoiding the vet too. They are just as bad as the human doctors.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

How do we stop vaxxing our dogs? Every year they get the rabies shot which is needed if they need to be groomed or boarded, plus the standard two every year (I forget what they are). I would love to stop but wonder about their health and grooming needs etc.

I’ve researched vaxxes for humans enough to know I will never ever let them stick that poison in me again (meaning flu, shingles, pneumonia etc) I’ve never done a flu shot or shingles shot but let the Dr talk me into pneumonia shot in 2018-never agin! I got so sick!

But I haven’t researched for dogs.

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CeCe Brown's avatar

Our dogs are pretty much lap puppies that go everywhere with us when we go out of town. We haven't ever boarded them and they don't go to doggie daycare or anything like that. We walk them on a leash twice A-day other than that they never go outside. So we don't participate in any kind of vaccine or medicine. I've even stopped flee And tick medicine because I've read so many bad things about it. We treat any issues that come up but other than that I am no longer doing any blanket things to protect myself my family or my animals.

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CeCe Brown's avatar

And I use protect very very loosely.

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Karen's avatar

In Texas, they push the scam called "heart worm prevention". Very pricey if you have more than one dog, or a bigger dog. I read it was really a treatment and not necessary unless the dog actually has heart worms.

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NoWay's avatar

Our state has the 3 year rabies vaccine, and the core vaccine is now recommended every 4 years. The others are not necessary at all, at least in my opinion. The kennel cough, the Lyme disease etc. i don’t think I will do anything but rabies from now on, though. I do not have to board or groom my dog.

He has epilepsy so that is my β€˜excuse’ with the vet. They still push yearly shots. I said no.

No.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Thanks! I will check into the rabies requirement but I think Florida is every year. We don’t usually need to board our dog but I haven’t found a groomer yet that doesn’t require all the shots. I’m gonna keep looking.

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Annie's avatar

My one dog is rabies vaccine injured. She suddenly has an enlarged heart. But 4 weeks before the shot, all was okay. No more.

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Concerned mom's avatar

The vaccines could be the cause of the epilepsy..... just wondering... We stopped vaxxing our pooch, and hope to see if his shakes stop...

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Annie's avatar

I don't board them. We have paid dog sitters to come in our home. They have never asked. I have a groomer who doesn't ask. I have figured they are the like minded people I support.

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Peace's avatar

Sunnydaze - Your groomer and boarder should accept a blood titer that shows immunity after the first of the rabies shots. I've heard of some dogs only needing one rabies shot their entire life. Just did a search and found this: https://vitalanimal.com/dr-robb-titers-immune-certificates-ep-4/

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Thanks!

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Freebird's avatar

Like you, I need to research this more, but I’m inclined to stop the perpetual boosting given to our dogs. We tried to work around boarding as well by hiring pet sitters. And there are many individuals who do grooming in our area who don’t require shots.

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Credenda's avatar

Vaccines are a huge revenue stream for vets. To forgo vaccination would seriously cut into their profits. Vets are usually pretty nice people and I’m not super critical of them BUT they spew propaganda about commercial dog food and the need for multiple vaccines and preventives because they, like their human doc counterparts are products of corporate education and propaganda.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Ok. I will need to look into the grooming issue and find someone. I can do a lot myself but there are some things like nail trimming and face trimming she won’t let me do. Plus she has a lot of hair and giving her a bath kills my back. πŸ˜‚

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Anja's avatar

I live in Germany and I have the same problem. Places boarding dogs require these vaccinations and when travelling to other countries in Europe you need a vaccine passport for the dog too. Both of our dogs are rescues from a shelter in Russia, so they needed the vaccines to be allowed to enter the EU. When my very first dog (also a rescue from the same shelter) was 11 or 12 years old, our veterinarian said the dog has been vaccinated for rabies so often, he definitely is still protected and doesn't need another shot. I could have ordered a blood analysis to be sure he still had enough antibodies, but she assured me it is not necessary and I could save myself the moneyπŸ˜ƒ.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Bless you for rescuing our Creator's furriends! Both of my Maltese have been rescues--my first one, Maisy, was a puppy mill breeder--so she was probably 6 or 7 when I adopted her. I was blessed with her submissive and sweet presence for 7 1/2 years! I was stupid then--I got her vaccinated every year per the vet's recommendations. I am NOT doing that with my second rescue, Colby--he was with a family his first 4 years--but they surrendered him because they didn't want him anymore--they never socialized him (he was a Christmas gift from the sister of the woman of the house! Can you believe that - "gifting" a puppy to someone--that's like "gifting" a child--almost!! So he has been a work in progress to become accepting of us and our guests. Now--after almost 6 years, I can finally caress his body a bit and he gives me kisses when I take him for his "outings". He was never house trained--and he has bitten me and my guy friend many times because of his anxiety disorder. But we are ALL "works in progress", aren't we!!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Get a "titer test" done on your dogs which will clearly indicate if their immune system is protected from certain canine diseases/disorders. That's what I do - they're a bit pricey (several hundred dollars) but well worth it, as over vaccinating our pets has the same disastrous results as those of humans!

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I too--the pneumonia shot at around that same time---so sick directly afterward--I had no question about the causation--Never again.

Same happened in '77 with a rubella shot--still have the joint damage in right thumb

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CeCe Brown's avatar

Absolutely agree, I'm done with vaxx for them too. My niece's young kitten got sick 2 times after after vaccines in vets office....to the point they didn't know if they would make it back to the vets office in time. They keep vaxxing, I have stopped.

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Irunthis1's avatar

I have a 15 year old miniature dachshund who is very lightly vaccinated and a two year old dachshund pit bull mix who just got her 3 year rabies which will be the last one she ever gets. The key to health and longevity for dogs is spay or neuter no sooner than 18 months and vaxing no more than absolutely necessary. Also de-worming with fenbendazole which is a cancer prevention (and cure if needed). Also do NOT expose them to toxic chemicals on your lawn or farm property. We never use weed killers etc. They also don’t eat junk food made for dogs or people. My husband actually makes their food and they get supplemented with high quality dog food not the cheap stuff and nothing from purina as they can’t be trusted. We sometimes rescue dogs (found on the road or come to our house) and unfortunately one brought fleas onto our property so we have to use spinosad which we have not had problems with so far(the 15 year old takes it in the summer -we only re-treat when they start coming back). If anyone knows of a good non-toxic yard treatment that works let me know!

Luckily our vets are amazing and I’ve never worn a mask there for the entirety of this bullπŸ’©. If you have a good vet ask them if they will check your dog for rabies titers and then certify their immunity from a good level. I would recommend sending to K-State lab which is an accredited lab. They do state that there is not a β€œstandard” for rabies but also the importance of using an accredited lab. I myself never board my animals but because we often watch the pets of others we know I have people I could leave mine with if necessary so having β€œup to date” vaccination isn’t as critical. I sort of view my pets like I do children in that if you’re not willing to be there with them or take them wherever you go you probably shouldn’t have them. We don’t leave ours home alone more than a few hours, ever.

Here’s a link to K-State lab with info on titers.

https://ksvdl.org/laboratories/rabies-laboratory/dog-cat-vaccines-titer-testing.html

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daverkb's avatar

A patch of sanity! Bravo!

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Oh Susanna's avatar

Agreed, I am done with complying anywhere anytime. That meant a few weeks ago I couldn't accompany my husband in the emergency room. That felt pretty crappy, but the crappiness is the bullies' fault, not mine.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

Wow that pretty sad on the human level. Am with you though. Hope the ER visit was ok, that your husband got what he needed. Scary place, all ER's. Never again for me, no hospitals, friends and loved ones will be on their own should they fall ill. So much 5G in hospitals now, and that is proven to mess up blood in and of itself. What I wonder is how long it will take insurance companies to stop insuring the now uninsureable hospitals; death rates of staff and patients through the roof. On a related note, I am currently challenging my power co. to remove the wireless meter they installed in the last few years. First you send them a hazard notice (cuz these bad meters burn up easily) and since they did not respond, a liability notice. Crickets. So if they 'come get me' or shut off my power, that's why. The helpful site is called https://www.emfhelpcenter.com/ lots of info on the 5G 'explodable' meters there.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

And the bullies truly don't care! Good for you sticking to your principles, Susanna.

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Crixcyon's avatar

No problem...If billy g gets his way, no more human kids will ever be born.

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Chevrus's avatar

In the realm of predictive programming: Children of Men...

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Maureen ODH's avatar

Chevus....πŸ’₯πŸ’₯πŸ’₯πŸ’₯... yes, scary dark predictive movie... seriously, were Billy and Klaus two of the five writers who co-wrote with Mexican filmmaker, Alfonzo CuarΓ³n?.... hmmm..... Seems we are well on our way to a collaboratively planned dystopian future with decades of human infertility.... is this also why livestock are in theses ludicrous megalomaniac’s DAVOS planners crosshairs with the gene editing spike protein reproductive systems destroying jabs???

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

Children of Men was first a detective novel by P.D. James, a British mystery writer, but there is a whole dystopian young adult genre with thousands of books. There's a great one about big pharma for teenagers called The Doubt Factory by Paulo Bacigalupi, a young love story about a young woman who has to come to terms with her father's pharma crimes as she falls in love with a pharma injured activist. So there are, in my experience, the predictive programming books and the creative intuition books, which actually help people and kids surmount the dystopia we are facing, through a hero or heroine overcoming obstacles to return to their community with gifts of knowledge. The woke have turned to a sort of Soviet realism, in which metaphor and novel structure and humor (thank goodness for this substack on that last front !!!)are thrown out, but the structure of the hero's journey is ancient.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Oh great--a 'whole dystopian young adult genre'--more indoctrination.

I used to enjoy reading all the young adult books my daughters brought home from the library--am out of touch now

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Chevrus's avatar

Well the sooner people understand this, the better chance we will have to salvage the wreckage. I suspect there will also have to be purge of some kind...

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Annie's avatar

Yes. I agree. Soon the problem will be solved. The delusional will be greatly culled.

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NoHoHoBo's avatar

There are still many people driving around LA in masks. In their cars. With the windows closed. These are the True Believers.

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Kitkat's avatar

I was recently in San Francisco for a quick trip. Talk about True Believers! All the virtual signaling- not just with masks. But all the BLM signs and Ukraine flags in windows, and rainbow flags flying everywhere. I couldn't bail that place fast enough!!

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Annie's avatar

It's to block out all the homeless and human feces. They believe if they wave their special flags, all will be better.

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Annie's avatar

Wave bye-bye πŸ‘‹ to them. With a big smile too. πŸ˜€

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

Two years ago, I tried to take my doggie to the vet. When I pulled up, I saw the very unfriendly signs posted out front that ended in "no exceptions!" So I left. A while later, a tech called me to set up a "well visit" for my dog. I asked her "do you still have those unfriendly signs out front?". She tried babbling on about public health, whatever. I asked her three times until she finally said yes. I hung up on her.

Later, I discovered that I and my doggie had been "fired" from their care.

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Annie's avatar

Good riddance to them. You and your doggie are better off without them.

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Bubblehead's avatar

Ask them if they can smell a fart through their mask! I believe that fart molecules are larger than a virus...

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Juliann's avatar

I can smell coffee brewing through that face diaper at 5 feet away. It’s not doing any good.

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SYFY's avatar

yep, although after this went around with people providing actual data on the size, they of course, came out with new #'s claiming that the molecules were now smaller than the average virus...

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Good for you. I’ve softly begun asking these mask police if they know how small a virus is versus how large the openings of masks are? Are they really preventing these viruses from coming through? If they argue that the virus could be on water vapor, then retort with, β€˜yes, but even so, it only rises to about 60% protection.” They do stop and think - even for a moment.

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Annie's avatar

They do not think at all.

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Copernicus's avatar

You may want to look up Allen Stevo via lewrockwell.(com?) or his own substack. He lives in CA and has used effectively the "I cannot safely wear a mask" mantra and gone about his business without one. There are some caveats, like calling ahead to let them know you are coming and can't safely wear a mask, so they know and you can discuss ahead of time w manager, if need be vs making a scene at the door.

I was able finally to get into our local library using his strategies.

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Transcriber B's avatar

Thank you for standing for freedom.

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Ted Levi Toldman's avatar

It's just a big business for those who make masks and then sell them to people under the slogan "Absolutely, Always and Everywhere." It's just that people have really begun to believe that they protect ... Maybe they just need to be glued to the face so that everyone is happy?

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Monica's avatar

Give us the names and numbers so we can all call!

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KBB's avatar

We got our generic version of the Unmask at Etsy. Lots of choices there. Used them only at health care facilities and never got challenged. For shopping we just ignored the ugly signs and went about our business. If I got any dirty looks I wasn't aware of it since the people making the dirty looks had their faces covered; how could I tell? Nobody here in New Mexico that I'm aware of is still requiring masks, but I still see people in the supermarkets, Walmart, etc choosing to use them. There is an especially high percentage of mask-delusionals at the natural and organic food stores. But slowly and surely the numbers of obviously crazy people is declining.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

"numbers of obviously crazy people is declining"

Or perhaps suddenly and unexpectedly?

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Karen's avatar

The dentist is the most absurd of all. I will be sitting in the chair, inches from another person with my mouth wide open for almost an hour but I have to wear a mask in the lobby? In the beginning they made us wait outside.

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Annie's avatar

I know. I stopped going to the dentist. Do my own cleanings and natural no fluoride products. Teeth and gums are so much healthier. The dentist is a big part of the msm medical scam.

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Kimry's avatar

I used them for airline travel, back when they were required. Worked great

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Juliann's avatar

Where did you buy it?

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KBB's avatar

Etsy.com

Type Fake Mask into the search box.

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Bubblehead's avatar

I typed it. I found them. Didn't know anybody ever created these. Fab! Because Science. Of Course!

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Bubblehead's avatar

Do you think your water quality might be impacted by the Ohio derailment? Keep in mind that water runs downhill – gravity still works.

Looking at the Ohio Watershed Data (Appalachian Basin HydroVIEW) the flow of surface water from the location of the derailment is as follows:

From State Line Lake in Pennsylvania (just 1,500 feet upstream of the derailment) into an unnamed watercourse running westward and parallel to the railroad tracks discharging into Sulphur Run just south of the intersection of Sebring Avenue and E. Clark St.

From this point, Sulphur Run continues in a westerly direction through the village, eventually discharging into Leslie Run near the entrance to the City Park, which is about 1 mile from the derailment.

Leslie Run flows almost due south, running parallel to State Rte. 170 to Negley OH where it discharges into Bull Creek. In a short distance, Bull Creek discharges into the North Fork of Little Beaver Creek just north of the East Palestine Country Club.

The North Fork of Little Beaver Creek continues flowing south until it discharges into Little Beaver Creek just to the east of Fredericktown OH.

Little Beaver Creek continues its southerly direction, crossing into Pennsylvania and shortly thereafter, discharging into the Ohio River almost at the exact spot where the Ohioville and Glasgow municipal boundaries meet at the western edge of Glasgow PA, and coincidentally, just after passing under the CSX railroad that runs along the Ohio River!

Keep in mind that water still flows downhill. Also, the aquifer is fed by excess groundwater that seeps into the ground and does not runoff directly into creeks or streams. Creeks and streams are also fed by the aquifer, and water from creeks and streams generally does not feed back into the aquifer.

In my own opinion, I believe that the location of the derailment, which was directly adjacent to existing groundwater flow from State Line Lake, provided a natural pathway for any contaminates from the rail tankers to travel the path of least resistance – this being down the waterway into Leslie Run and beyond, and not into the groundwater. Could contaminants leach into the groundwater – obviously yes, but (again IMO), only a small, very small, fraction would do so.

Now the air quality – well, that’s a completely different story, and not a good one at all!

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** Edit: TIL Dioxin is also a combustion product of vinyl chloride, and is persistent and bioaccumulates, and very hard to clean up. It's unclear the amount produced but it doesn't go away. Apologies for the incorrect take! **

My understanding is that vinyl chloride is a gas and too volatile to stay in the water for very long. It is definitely hazardous to breathe. HCl will increase the acidity of the water which is bad but at least HCl is a naturally occurring chemical so it's not especially toxic, and will turn into salts when it encounters metal. Acidified soil can be remediated with a basic chemical like lye. Phosgene is a poisonous gas but it will dissipate and break down.

There were some other toxic chemicals that also spilled at the same time and are generally more hazardous, but smaller quantities maybe. If there is a long term problem it would be from those chemicals.

Overall, this is bad in the short term (and anyone exposed to the VC has some cancer risk) but it's not anything like Fukushima or Chernobyl or even the dioxin waste in niagara falls - the effects should not be persistent I think.

Surprising as it might seem, burning the VC might have been the right thing to do, vs having the tankers explode and expose more people to the unburned VC gas (which is odorless). The way things are going, I'm assuming that if that was in fact the right approach, it was inadvertent.

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NoHoHoBo's avatar

I scrutinized maps of the area too! We must be related!

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ICI Grief (The Rebel's Hike)'s avatar

Dear Lord, please be with all of the parents and families who are losing their loved ones, especially the young. Work through your children, as you did for me, to give them the strength they need to even breathe. Keep them hydrated and rested while they mourn. Let them see your love. You are nearer to the broken-hearted than anybody can imagine.

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NAB's avatar

Had an interesting discussion with my now 16 year old son who was in 7th grade when Covid insanity hit. At first, it was a kind of adventure to be out of school and have your mom be your teacher. And since the initial shut down was in the spring, he was able to be outside a lot (though most of his friends obeyed orders to "stay safe" and remain indoors). He handled it all fairly well.

Fast forward through summer 2020 and, as an extrovert, he was really looking forward to returning to school. Fortunately we had him enrolled in a small, classical Catholic school so we knew he'd be going 5 days a week and even here in Upstate NY, they planned to limit masking as much as possible. Overall, I thought we insulated him from the worst of the NPIs effects as possible.

Here we are now almost at the 3 year anniversary, and every day he reveals to me how much he has suffered emotionally, socially and educationally. But it is even worse for most of his friends who were not lucky enough to be at his school but attended public school on a hybrid schedule, masked, socially separated (they even spray painted grids on the fields at school for PE class to ensure 6 foot distancing - I kid you not). Our kids are suffering. He has so many friends depressed (on medications), listless, unmotivated and even suicidal. He feels girls have bore the burden particularly hard because they resorted to social media for support where the environment quickly becomes toxic.

How much did we hear "stay safe" or "we're in this together" or "stay apart, together?" The most infuriating is: "kids are resilient. It's not like this is WWII. They'll be fine." As my son said last night, "we [kids] were basically told we didn't matter, that our lives didn't matter." And now some of those kids are permanently damaged. I see them walk by my house every day on their way to school with masks STILL on. They are broken. Congratulations experts! Mission Accomplished.

Nuremburg #2 - Let the trials begin.

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AB's avatar

That made me cry. Former New Yorker, now Floridian. I am very worried for our younger generations. God bless your son. May he find a group of hardy friends with parents like you that will lift him up.

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NAB's avatar

I lose a lot of sleep worrying about my children's futures. I did not want to believe what has become more and more apparent - our children, teens and young adults have been very damaged by the last 3 years. The level of social dysfunction revealed every day in news stories about violence in schools, the number of kids - especially girls - expressing confusion over basic realities like sex, and the fear now deeply ingrained over the future is consuming our kids. And, again, I thought I had insulated my five kids from the worst of it but they are all, to some degree, scarred. I have a friend who recently said she fights more battles on her knees now in the wake of Covid. I think I have to spend more time on mine too.

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AB's avatar

Unfortunately, there are a lot of hard to avoid reasons for this demise with social media and mass vaccination (not just covid) at the fore front of it all.

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Bones's avatar

Jesus will back soon. Don’t worry about any generations they won’t be more.

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Transcriber B's avatar

re: "we didn't matter, that our lives didn't matter." That has been the messaging of this whole fiasco from Day One.

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Copernicus's avatar

The impact on our kids has been horrific.

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Artmama's avatar

Yes, the kids are suffering enormously. It breaks my heart. My daughter is the same age as your son. She has horrific anxiety and my she and my other younger kids do not have smartphones and no social media. And didn’t have access to any of it during Covid. I can’t imagine how much worse it would have been for them if I hadn’t homeschooled them during 2020-2021. Our public schools did not open until April 2021! They still experienced depression/anxiety even though I tried to protect them from it all.

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NAB's avatar

Exactly. My son only recently got a cell phone. He did not have one during most of Covid and had absolutely no social media during that time. My son is now at a "premier" Catholic boys school and even the teachers there will readily admit how bad these past 3 years have been for kids - and these are kids from very stable, supportive homes. I really can't imagine the fall out in inner city schools and for those kids in vulnerable situations.

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OJen's avatar

My oldest child is just a tad younger than yours. The damage that's been done to these kids is mind blowing.

We went to a program at the school tonight, and several kids are still wearing masks-- by choice. Whether it's from true fear of a damn virus or whether it's become more of a social security blanket at this point, the psychological impacts of what the last three years have done is so profound and multilayered. Not to mention all that they lost that they will never get back.

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NAB's avatar

My son says that some girls choose to wear masks now to hide what they feel is their "ugly" faces (thanks Instagram for stupid filters). The teachers said they basically approach kids as if they are 2 years younger chronologically because of the social and emotional delays now apparent in kids.

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OJen's avatar

I see this, too. So many of the kids have no social skills whatsoever. The isolation did such a number on them. My son really suffered during those times. When he was much younger years ago we suspected he might be a little bit on the spectrum, but he had made such huge strides that I didn't worry about that anymore-- until all the covid nonsense. The social, emotional, and mental health toll from the isolation and life cancellation has taken us right back to that shaky place again, all gains lost.

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Freebird's avatar

NAB, your son is still in a difficult stage of life anyway, if he is unvaxxed and you can keep him outdoors, getting exercise and having some fun (hopefully with friends) he’ll come through just fine. Keep the sane conversation going in your home! And the prayers! I remember so many times when I felt completely helpless to protect my children (and still do) turning them over to God.

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NAB's avatar

Difficult stage made more difficult. He is unvaxxed and will stay that way. I will take a bullet over it. His goal is to move to the "middle of nowhere" and go "bogging." I do think a backlash is growing in this generation against all the wokeism. I hope so, anyway. You're right, prayers, prayers and more prayers.

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Freebird's avatar

I hope and PRAY you are right about the growing backlash in this generation - hopefully one led by God. The revival in KY is an awesome thing! And many of those kids are just 3-4 years older than your son.

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NAB's avatar

Freebird, just saw this story on Tucker's show. Come, Holy Spirit!

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Freebird's avatar

Amen!

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Kim's avatar

As a parent of a child your son's age and as a teacher, I couldn't agree more!

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LuAnne's avatar

I read an opinion article yesterday where the writer predicts Justin Trudeau will be the next leader to suddenly exit behind the likes of Sturgeon and Jacinda Ardern. One can only hope but I'm highly skeptical that these people will be replaced with a different breed of people. In other words, the first horrible leader's job is completed so let's bring in a new leader to implement the next phase of horror.

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Peter Schott's avatar

Wasn't Ardern replaced by someone pretty much the same or worse? It's just "get rid of the public face of the tyranny" right now while putting another unknown tyrant in place to continue those policies (or maybe walk back some really visible ones and put more subtle ones in place).

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LuAnne's avatar

Chris Hipkins replaced Arden. I don't know anything about him but as Jeff has suggested a few times, someone made a phone call and the orders have been given.

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Bingham22's avatar

Far, far worse from what I have read of him. He will be a brute when the next plandemic jumps into play.

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Michael Miller's avatar

Look how much good it did for the New Yorkers whenComo was pushed out!

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Say it ain’t so! What I can’t understand is why there aren’t millions of people out in the streets protesting against these crimes. What makes Brazilians different from us?

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Bones's avatar

The weather, the food, the music

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redpilled69's avatar

Glad I scrolled far enough to find your comment rather than start a new thread.... each and every removed leader has a replacement that has a history showing that they will be degrees worse when the time comes.

Johnson.... Liz Truss (2 months...she was a whoops)... Rishi Sunak (his billionaire father-in-law owns InfoSys). I think most can do the math on that one

Ardern... Chris Hipkins (prior to taking over as PM, he WAS the Covid 19 Response Minister!) There is a video on Twitter somewhere where he is saying he wants everyone to get the chance to take the vax but due to human nature we might have to "go out and find some of them". Might even be a vid where he uses the terminology "hunt them down"

Sturgeon... up for grabs but it won't be good

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JW's avatar

Same scenario here if at the last minute they bring Michelle Obama in for the democrat nominee. Continue hubby's work which is most likely his work now through Biden.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Not a world leader but the YT CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down. She was at Davos.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Arden was replaced by someone much worse. He's already said, out loud that they'll be hunting down the unjabbed.

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Corkey's avatar

All monies earmarked for Naziland Ukraine should immediately be diverted to the clean up in East Palestine.

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Michael Miller's avatar

Or better yet, back in the pockets of those who earned that money.

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Chevrus's avatar

Yeah that would be a start...

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Chevrus's avatar

Ideally yes. But the USA and NATO vassals have only Victory or Death as options. For them there is no turning back. The entire Post Bretton-Woods system is at stake. If Eurasia (McKinder's World Island) is allowed to flourish and the New Silk Road runs all the way to Germany, they loose. Somewhat ironically it would likely be just fine for us here in the USA because we could divert all those stolen tax dollars and rebuild our country. Of course the Globalist Banksters and their ilk are having none of that so the struggle continues.

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Corkey's avatar

Our current form of government in USA is a Kakistocracy

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RunningLogic's avatar

Indeed.

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rolandttg's avatar

Russia has not responded to almost all of these escalations because they know their purpose is to get Russia to respond and escalate themselves, giving excuses for more escalations. WWIII is their goal, an excuse to blame the impending financial collapse they created on a war, plus a perfect excuse for martial law and their New World Order being jammed down our throats( pointe out yesterday by Gene Decode that spells OWN backwards, as in us) Russia knows they are not fighting the US, or the Five Eyes, , or Europe. Just as they never had any desires to kill Ukrainians en masse until they were forced into it, they have no desire to kill Westerners. This has always been a battle of humanity against the globalists, the KM. They are fighting the final battle, God against Satan and his minions, and there will be no second place. It pains me we are on the wrong side of this fight, and keep praying Americans will wake up sooner than later.

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Bingham22's avatar

You are correct. It is all theater and a distraction from the imminent global financial collapse.

https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/senile-economics-bubble-ontology-and-the-pull-of-gravity/

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Maureen ODH's avatar

Bingham22... imho β€œSenile Economics” should be read by everyone with a planned discussion group β€œwhat to do now before the ever gaining 2008 Economic tsunami combined with β€œC19” aftershocks completely destroy us.... very sobering article

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

This is stupid. Russia is now digging into its last emergency war stock because of such heavy losses.

They had every intention to kill Ukrainians through a genocide.

Why do you think they bombed apartment buildings in Dnipro and the train station? Deported forcefully people and kidnapped children?

If you’re on the same side as Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela you might want to reevaluate your decisions.

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Richard's avatar

Jeff you truly are a blessing, I love your thoughts and writing style and look forward to C&C every morning. As a retired LEO I have trained and worn actual gas masks, they have a pressure positive seal and can filter Nuclear, Biological and Chemical (NBC filter) , everything else is just a face covering of no value.

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Rand Paul, Lord protect him, continues to hammer away at the true source of SARS-CoV-2:

https://townhall.com/columnists/senatorrandpaul/2023/02/16/gain-of-function-research-a-death-wish-for-the-world-n2619619

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Johnny-O's avatar

Rand is little more than a grandstanding political opportunist. Ron Johnson is literally the only member of Congress who has done anything meaningful on the covid front.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

it's all sound and fury signifying nothing...

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Quite right. Except they then want to be rewarded with β€˜more money’.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I certainly remember the passionate grandstanding of widdle rooster, Trey Gowdy. He sure told Hillary Clinton off to her face; and saved her butt from prosecution. I’m sure she was grateful for his helpπŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ˜‚. He was all about, β€˜send more money’ after his useless tirades. I think Rand Paul is another Gowdy.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

I never knew what a widdle rooster was until you mentioned the reference to Trey Gowdy. THEN I KNEW! Thanks for that laugh and the nod of my head.

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Michael Miller's avatar

As much as I like Rand, your observation is true.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

The list of politicians could be long. Do I have an answer? No. Money = votes. Perhaps that's why so many enjoy Chinese food.

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Transcriber B's avatar

I salute Senator Rand Paul, it was not easy to do what he has done.

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Roger Beal's avatar

There are some who describe Rand Paul as a grandstander. Paul has kept a light focused on many of the perps, and blocked their attempts to scurry back into the shadows. As such, Dr. Paul has enlightened many normies. For that he deserves credit.

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Transcriber B's avatar

Massive credit in my book. Massive.

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β€œΒ‘Essential!”??? Cargo Pilot's avatar

Accountability begins with placing and keeping the light on them... honestly he isn't law enforcement (by law) so what he's done is amazing, difficult and makes him a target of the richest companies in history. He's already done more than most and honestly everything available to him.

Can we say the same?

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Johnny-O's avatar

Me thinks the bar is set FAR to low for politicians if someone like him deserves "massive" credit. Just sayin...

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Transcriber B's avatar

I would agree that the bar is far too low-- ridiculously, absurdly, atrociously, jaw-dropping low.

I don't share your opinion of Senator Paul, but whatever. What bears underlining is that so very, very, very few in the US Congress (Senate and House of Reps) have stood up against the violations of the US Constitution and other criminal nonsense, and early on, and on highly technical matters (GOF) Senator Paul took on Fauci, ferociously, directly, articulately, and very publicly.

May more of our politicians wake up and show some moral backbone, as Senators Paul and Johnson have done. And may more of the citizenry.

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Those who call him a grandstander-- what was Senator Paul supposed to do, make nice & humble and hold hearings in a coat closet? Was anyone else in the US Senate volunteering to grill Dr. Fauci aka "The Science" about gain of function research? Was this a subject that did not desperately need attention from the citizenry, at a time when said attention was (and continues to be) bizarrely and consternatingly difficult to achieve? If the grandstander Karens want a genuine grandstander, I give them every white-coated personage who has appeared on TV to yammer on about it all in between Pfizer commercials for the past 3 years-- and that, of course, includes Dr. Fauci.

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Tory's avatar

I’m still supporting his efforts. Rand Paul fought to get β€œnatural Immunity β€œ acknowledged by CDC. They are still Vax children in our country. Murder. Other advanced nations

Do not until 30-50 years. The USA, Biden, Pharma all parties greedy.

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Kim's avatar

Regarding masks...I refused to mask up at my daughter's pediatrician's office this week. We got kicked out (to my 15-year-old's horror) and I have since found another clinic who does not require masks. Here's what makes no sense to me: if you think masks work and wear one, you should also believe you are protected. So why do I have to wear one for YOUR safety? Also...they don't work. I don't need a study, or 78, to know this when I SEE people around me who are addicted to masks and getting covid multiple times. This is utterly ridiculous!

Thank you for all the information you are getting out to us! It is highly appreciated!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Plus they are constantly touching the masks and pulling them around on their face and sucking them in, it’s gross 😝

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Kim's avatar

So many got sick from WEARING masks!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yup though they’ll never admit it πŸ™„

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Interestingly, Senator Kennedy from Louisiana, when asked about the UFO briefing said they were told a lot of information. Then just as he walked away from the camera, he told us all to lock our doors tonight. πŸ€” Was that comment to protect us from aliens OR from our own government? I think we already know the answer to that.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Since alien space invaders could presumably manage to breach the locks on our doors....

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PamelaZelie's avatar

I’ll take the alien space invaders over the FBI.

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Jenn's avatar

Was this an interview from today?

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Jenn's avatar

Ah, thank you! πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ˜Š

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Yesterday

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Crixcyon's avatar

That poor 13 year old in the hands of those butchers in the medical mafia...too scary. I have grandkids of similar age and at least the parents haven't gotten themselves or the kids spiked-up.

The younger clan dying off...that is very spooky when healthy adults have heart issues similar to us old and decrepit folks. There sure as heck has to be a reason. And it's sure as heck it will never become known in the mainstream anything.

Balloons, spycraft, UFO's...all nonsense. LMAO. Did you know that China already knows more about the people of the US than the US government? They have a direct link to your everyday agenda via google, microsoft and apple if you use any of these systems and products. No need for atmospheric spy devices. Quite comical, really.

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Just got word this am of yet another 48 year old friend of our oldest son having had 2 heart attacks last evening. He is on a vent and a bypass machine. 🀬This was a robust guy..an amateur golfer, father, husband… nice guy. Hoping beyond hope that his crack medical team can restore him completely. Dear God this makes me angry.

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NAB's avatar

And the number of people who still say, "this all happened before Covid too, you know! You're only finding it because you're looking for it." I honestly don't remember hearing about the daily litany of young and middle-aged adults dying. I really don't.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I agree. There is the internet/social media effect and having a wider circle, I’m sure that does influence perception somewhat, but I don’t ever remember these kinds of things being anything but struck by lightning level rare. The sheer numbers of people you hear about in both β€œcelebrity” (sports, film, etc) and everyday people is just mind blowing.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Prayers for him πŸ™ I am angry too, about all of this!!

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Chevrus's avatar

Yeah I was gonna say. People actually think a "spy balloon" is going to give them an edge. Laughable.

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ASK's avatar

...So we can’t continue to launder money back to the democrats through Ukraine forever. Good news.

Hard to watch such stupidity of people that cannot make that tiny little jump in conclusion that it’s the vax. ABV.

Given we can hardly trust the government’s statistics and information that we have been given, I started wondering yesterday if the Vaccination rate in adults is really as high as 72%? I think there are more of us than they are letting us know.

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RunningLogic's avatar

That’s a typical propaganda technique, make people feel alone and in the minority so they cave, because they know most people have a hard time standing up for their principles if they feel alone.

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ASK's avatar

Yes, exactly! I am perfectly happy to be in the minority, and well, alive and not dying suddenly. Just sat back and watched it all go down the drain.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Me too but I am afraid of what will happen to loved ones who did take it for whatever reason πŸ˜•

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Carlb's avatar

β€œMy very favorite part was when the expert suggested that death certificates aren’t reliable. I laughed so hard I coughed up a clump of undigested spike protein”

Jeff’s Substack contributions are well worth your time because of the near constant ZINGERS! But much more than that, he takes the time β€˜report’ the facts of a story and then points out the utter lack of curiosity of the MSM’s futile efforts to be honest and forthright.

Long live JEFF!

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