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Kimberly's avatar

Did "the experts" consider the possibility of microplastics being found in the olfactory bulbs of cadavers from all of that mask-wearing of 2020-well, present (for some)??

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Masks are so gay...and...er...retarded.

And they are 30's DANGEROUS.

Sorry genX here...just how we talk

Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

😂😂😂 millennial here and I laughed out loud in real life haha!

Masks were one of the first indications that Covid was a joke: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/why-i-dont-wear-a-mask

Karen Bandy's avatar

Ryan, I am smack dab in the middle of the boomer years and we called people retards! You can claim the gay thing though, I think, didn’t I say that one too? 🤔 Maybe we got it from you younger kids 🤣

Oh, I don’t get the 30’s Dangerous either….

2beeornot2bee's avatar

Saying retards may trigger those with mentally challenged persons in their family. Be respectful.

patrick.net/memes's avatar

I think that's misguided compassion, causing greater harm than good.

Everyone having to watch what they say all the time because of who might overhear is the path to totalitarianism.

I wouldn't deliberately insult anyone who is legitimately retarded, but in the case of certain public figures, it is entirely appropriate to call them that.

And note that the word "retarded" itself used to be the gentle way to say idiot or moron. So now the workaround word itself is out of favor in a never-ending purity spiral.

G Harkness's avatar

Indeed, and now I have no hesitation to call most liberals "moron."

To address the "being respectful": That's silly. Can I not talk about peanuts because someone is allergic to them? How about, can I talk about putting on eye makeup and how my eyelashes look because someone somewhere has trichotillomania? It's considered to be a mental condition.

The answer to this is to be respectful within the known confines of the audience you are speaking to.

Bryan Dair's avatar

Society today has become Sofa King We Todd Did.

Karen Bandy's avatar

If I were triggered every time someone used the Karen slur, I’d be a raving lunatic by now! 🤣 Of course I would never use retard around someone who might have learning difficulties.

patrick.net/memes's avatar

Lol, I have a sister named Karen and she's pretty much a raving lunatic now. But then, she's also very much a Karen.

Kalinda's avatar

I have never understood why. Retard: delay or hold back in terms of progress, development. It's not an insult unless you want to take it as one. It's descriptive if that applies to the situation. I find "mentally challenged" an insult (no offense meant to you) as is "Intellectual disability".

My pet peeve now is that they want to call people with a handicap "Disabled". Most people are not "disabled" ('put out of action' or worse 'to make unable or unfit; weaken or destroy the capability of; incapacitate') , but their limitations compared to the norm is a handicap (a circumstance that makes progress or success difficult.) Difficult, not impossible. The prefix "Dis" implies apart or separate. Talk about segregation......

Again, no offense meant to you, it's my own personal soapbox.

MaryAnn's avatar

I have heard the term ‘other-abled’ (sounds fake) used instead of disabled.

Michele's avatar

Yes, "differently-abled" is the way to say it here in Coastal CA.

Vomit emoji.

Vida Galore's avatar

Yeah, I refuse to stop saying something is "retarded." It has nothing whatsoever to do with someone with Downs Syndrome. When did that even start? Was it the first inkling of the horrible PC/wokeness to come? I want my word RETARD back!

Ryan Gardner's avatar

This is exactly how we slid into the slim of the pit:

Self censorship

Any reasonable person knows I'm not referring to a person with actual cognitive challenges.

It's a turn of phrase. Period.

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

boomer here.

Please define: "30's DANGEROUS." ??!

Ryan Gardner's avatar

1930's...star of David, etc.

phlyme's avatar

Still not getting it.

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Copy and paste from a comment I made 2 weeks ago about masks:

Absurdities and humiliation are two critical components of totalitarianism. For every time a person fails to dissent when they are told lies that they know not to be true, on the ground they walk on, by those with a "longview" in the ivory towers, they progressively loathe themselves. Which ends up leading to Totalitarianisms terminus: APATHY

The daily humiliation of masking was a masterpiece of diabolical brilliance. They were Swiss Army Knives, devised in Satans workshop. Merely a disposable object, low-energy pathway and easily enforced/patrolled to control a persons Time and Space in society; further isolating the dissident to demoralize them. They easily neutralized the dissidents who are the very same people that cannot abide an environment where everyone is pretending nobody is pretending.

That type of environment can and has led to unspeakable evil. Masking is a DANGEROUS way of accomplishing this because the "privilege" of access to society required the individual to deperson THEMSELVES.

To see a persons face was to be the mark.

RU's avatar

I still can't believe people fell for that psy-op. Fauci himself said masks don't work. Then, turned around and said yeah they do. Then, after Trump refused to wear them, said you need to wear two or three to make it work. And made up some lie about how he was trying to preserve the masks for the front line workers. That alone should have tipped everyone off to the lie.

But, then they also outlawed using neck gaiters - which would obviously provide better coverage than a flimsy, floppy, ill-fitting "mask." Clearly, the whole thing was to virtue-signal and try to humiliate and emasculate Trump voters. "Oh, no, you MUST wear the effeminate version."

Meanwhile, in reality, anyone who's taken a public health course was taught masks don't work and lockdowns do more harm than good. These were foundational principles of Western public health prior to 2020. And I mean, EVERYONE in medicine or public health knew these to be truths. But, "The Science (TM) changed." Lies so obvious. LOL.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I tried to have a conversation with a doctor at the VA about how brutal masking was to veterans.

Total disinterest.

GG's avatar

Don't apologize!

Jen's avatar

I was wondering this too...how much did the masks accelerate this already troubling trend?

Karen Bandy's avatar

Someone is selling titanium cutting boards, how can that be good for knives? Titanium masks? 😷

Bryan Dair's avatar

I saw the ad for that, and wondered the same.

Bamboo has a natural antibacterial quality and makes for good cutting boards.

Karen Bandy's avatar

We have one, probably should get another and ditch the plastic ones!

Bryan Dair's avatar

Plastic ends up with deep scratches that evil scary bacterium can hide in.

Actually, since all of my foods are plant based, I do not worry about it much.

If you are cutting up meats it would be more of a worry.

My philosophy is to constantly expose myself to all of

the microscopic beings that are all around us.

We have gotten along for millions of years sharing

our habitat.

kimberly boubel's avatar

Looks like for next pandemic we need glass or stainless steel masks

SB's avatar

Excellent point! We've been so hyperfocused on the harms caused by the shots, the harms from the masks have been sidelined.

MatthewJohn's avatar

It looks like we’re breathing the microplastics in, right out of the air. Then they can go straight to the brain."

I'm old enough to remember when most things currently coming in plastic came in glass, returnable bottles. Use. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Ahh... the good old days of real recycling.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Soda bottles (ginger ale kept on hand for use when we were sick in bed) in the 50's, in 28 oz (32?) dark green glass bottles. Well, here at home we do re-cycle wine and beer bottles--how else could I store my production?

rolandttg's avatar

Heck, recycling pop bottles is how kids like me got bubble gum money. Rode around on our bikes looking for them by the side of roads. 2 cents for regular pop bottles, 5 cents for big ones. Maine still requires deposits on glass bottles.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Maine requires deposits on plastic bottles! Me too, as a young'un in Cape Cod summers--long walks with bottle pick up as a side hustle. Brought up my children that way, on walks to Pemaquid Point. Husband and I still collect all the plastic bottles we find, or use--those acquired in PA as well as in Me. are saved to be taken to Hannaford Markets Clynk program. If the bottle says "Me 5 cents"--it goes into the canvas tote for the next trip.

rolandttg's avatar

Good for you. Love Pemaquid. Headed to Maine Thursday for our annual fall trip, and will definitely be going there. Several nice places to eat near the fort, but were closed last year, so we went to the dog friendly restaurant in New Harbor beside the ferry departure for Menhaden Is. They featured New Harbor in one of the old Sunrise Earth episodes. I have it still.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

For ten years during children’s wee years we had our own little cottage on Rte 130, about a mile from the Point. Then returned to the family place. Came back from there 9/15, going back up 10/13 to haul up floats and close up. Hoping we’ll make a November trip as well so I can give fruit trees a last bit of loving before winter.

rolandttg's avatar

Wonderful. Don't miss the (aftermath, as the parade day is too crowded for us) Pumpkin festival in next door Damariscotta. We have become good friends with one of our landlords. We rent her cottage 2 doors down from their place in Marrtown, besides Georgetown. She has had us over for eats and parties, as we have had her over for dinners, so we have become part of the local community. Last year, we also started going to an incredible place right on the water 5 minutes walk from Stonington, the prettiest lobster village we have seen. You can see the dawn from right there, whereas I have to drive to Reid State park to see it while in Marrtown.

Used to stay at a very amazing property ,very private no one in site (site wise, not house wise) outside Tennant's Harbor, but during covid, they turned it into a multi 4 figure a night event rental. Same house though!, which was nothing special. We paid $150 a night. Thousands of filddle head ferns everywhere. You could see the Outward Bound vessel in the Bay sometimes.

Janet's avatar

Ginger ale. The thing that made sore tummies better. We were also given Coca Cola syrup. And some kind of pine sludge mom mixed with water. For coughs, I think.

Essay33's avatar

Coca Cola syrup was my mom's go-to whenever I had an upset stomach. And it worked. I remember trying to find it when my own kids were small, to no avail.

shayne's avatar

Me too. I keep all glass, and I love the Mexican Sprite in the green bottles. I even keep my hubby's beer bottles.

Austin the Pug-puppy's avatar

Every time I read about this whole plastic thing, it takes me back to that scene in The Graduate where Dustin Hoffman is being lectured by the "old" guy who says, "I have one word for you: PLASTIC." 🤣🤣🤣

william howard's avatar

AT had a column about a recently released report that concludes that each American ingests the equivalent of a plastic bag each month which Dr Mercola believes is a cause of inflammation which is a major source of many chronic illnesses - another thing to try to avoid like the plague

Panela Banning's avatar

We should return to that.

Conservative Contrarian's avatar

A couple of years ago our county stopped accepting glass to recycle because it didn't pay for itself, meaning glass is cheap. If so, why aren't more products using glass? They should, we search for products in glass when available.

GG's avatar

We're trying to wean ourselves away from storing leftovers in plastic. Pyrex is great, except the lids are plastic!

Sunnydaze's avatar

Same here! And cooking or reheating in plastic as well. Also ditching the tephlon and going back to cast iron and stainless steel. It’s a learning curve but it’s been good.

Copernicus's avatar

I love my cast iron! I got a couple loaf pans at a Lodge outlet store a year ago, and I am glad to make meatloaf in them now. And we made bread for a special celebration (we don't eat bread usually), and it turned out so well!

Essay33's avatar

Cast iron is the BEST. You season it properly and clean it correctly, it will out last you. My Lodge skillets are my favorite cooking implements.

rolandttg's avatar

Teflon is bad news if you cook anything above medium heat. They give off hydrogen cyanide gas. Also , I don't care if you never use metal spoons in them. They still scratch and flake off in time.

Robin Greer's avatar

And for the oven, I love my clay bakers. For meats, there is nothing better. I actually did an experiment and cooked meat in the crock pot, a regular roasting pan and my clay cooker. Each had a distinct flavor and the clay ws the best. Something spectacular happens when the meat is cooked in the clay.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I too have gotten rid of the last Teflon and aluminum--husband was the obstacle ("but they're precious antiques") until two weeks ago (don't know why his mind changed). And making a point of transferring food from plastic to ceramic or S.S. before heating.

Robin Greer's avatar

Have recently read that stainless steel can be an issue for those who have nickel allergies. The "stainless" comes from nickel added to the steel.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

On the same page. More and more goes into Ball jars in the fridge (which allows the non-plastic lids [hoping the white compound is not toxic....] as well as the pantry shelves as well as the cold room canning storage.

Robin Greer's avatar

My jar lids don't usually come into contact with the contents so the lid doesn't worry me. I also cook off my own bone broth and store in straight sided glass jars in the freezer. Tastes so much better than anything in the store. My momma taught me well.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I have been saving, in a plastic(!) bag in freezer, all bones of whatever species. When bag is full, contents are simmered for days. Intent was phosphorous for fruit trees, but human consumotion another option.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I have been saving all the glass bottles I come upon--but since I don't buy much in bottles, that's a limited option. Nonetheless, I prefer glass for my dried herbs.

Fla Mom's avatar

Cheaper to make than to recycle, that is. For those whose product needs packaging, glass is heavy and probably more expensive than plastic and so shipping costs and overall costs are higher.

Patti F's avatar

Our county doesn't recycle glass either - same reasons. I'd love to have more items come in glass!

Jaye's avatar

Glass is heavy and fragile. Under pressure it can explode....with flying gas shards...

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Ah yes. Under my chin is the evidence of that--when opening a bottle of my (own) strawberry soda--and we had always bottled those fermentations in champagne bottles.

Anthony's avatar

How about shatter proof glass?

rolandttg's avatar

Jeff is so correct about plastic recycling being a hoax. Without telling anyone, our county sold their plastic recycling equipment to an adjacent county. They now just landfill it, even though we separate it like fools.

Not Me's avatar

I remember too. The doctor’s offices were full of glass vials. Even the shots were given with a needle in a glass syringe.

MaryAnn's avatar

I remember the vid test being described as a swab stuck so far up the nose it felt like it was wiping the brain. Maybe it was. 😵‍💫

Not Me's avatar

I remember too. The doctor’s offices were full of glass vials. Even the shots were given with a needle in a glass syringe.

Becky Scott's avatar

Hey Jeff, guess what SIGA tech does.

From Vinay Prasad’s ‘Sensible Medicine’ Substack this morning:

“What was Varma’s day job when he was caught?

It turns out— at the time of video release— Varma was working for SIGA technologies. What is this company?

SIGA is a company that makes drugs in case a bioweapon is released. Their main product is tecovirimat.

Why does a company that makes a ineffective drug with poor evidence hire a former NYC health official, whose CV shows no understanding of drug development?

It is because public health is a corrupt field. Instead of demanding evidence, they know that lobbying officials is the best way to sell product. …”

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

Yahweh is compassionate and gracious,

Slow to anger and abounding in lovingkindness.

He will not always contend with us,

And He will not keep His anger forever.

He has not dealt with us according to our sins,

And He has not rewarded us according to our iniquities.

For as high as the heavens are above the earth,

So great is His lovingkindness toward those who fear Him.

As far as the east is from the west,

So far has He removed our transgressions from us.

As a father has compassion on his children,

So Yahweh has compassion on those who fear Him.

For He Himself knows our form;

He remembers that we are but dust.

— Psalm 103:8-14 LSB

MnmMom's avatar

Such an encouraging Psalm! More than that - it is worthy of stopping to give praise that He has NOT dealt with us according to our sins nor rewarded us according to our iniquities!! “As high as the heavens are above the earth, So great is His loving kindness toward those who fear Him.”

Thank you, Janice for this verse aptly shared. With God’s Word as our foundation, and the hope we have in him, we can have His joy that surpasses all circumstance - we can occupy this place until He come back and be faithful stewards in our communities (home, church, government) even when it is hard.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

We were at Tucker Carlson program Reading Pa last eve. The presence of believers was palpable. Audible! Thank you, Lord God.

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

Trust in Yahweh and do good; Dwell in the land and cultivate faithfulness.

-- Psalm 37:3 LSB

Margaret Allison's avatar

Thanks y’all for the Scriptures. I followed a thread and wondered where are the usual scriptures. My husband was looking over my shoulder and shocked at the comments!

I know everything doesn’t have to be Scripture but surely encouraging. We are in perilous times!

All fooled by the plastic rage when paper and glass worked! Be encouraged. Look up. Redemption draweth nigh!

Robin Greer's avatar

Love this. Thank you for posting these verses each day.

Juju's avatar

I love this one. ❤️❤️

Ed Thorrens's avatar

“casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”

‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5‬:‭7‬-‭8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

https://bible.com/bible/1/1pe.5.7-8.KJV

Juju's avatar

After some of yesterdays comments I feel led to remind us all of the following:

Colossians 3:12

Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,

1 Peter 5:5

All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, “God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble.”

Proverbs 11:2

When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.

1 Samuel 2:3

Talk no more so very proudly, let not arrogance come from your mouth; for the Lord is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed

Proverbs 16:8

Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

Luke 18:9-14

He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’

Robin Greer's avatar

Jeremiah 9:23 Thus says the Lord, “Let not a wise man boast of his wisdom, and let not the mighty man boast of his might, let not a rich man boast of his riches; 24 but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the Lord who exercises lovingkindness, justice and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things,” declares the Lord.

Vida Galore's avatar

Love this. I hope God helps me stop bragging about winning at pickleball. No I am not kidding.

Juju's avatar

Ohhh yes. I was actually looking for this one! Thank you. It nails it, doesn’t it?

God gives each of us blessings materially, mentally, and spiritually. Interpersonal blessings too, like friends and family. But it is not given equally or simultaneously. We don’t all acquire it at the same pace or time. And that’s not always a sign of our not deserving it or having done anything wrong. He also gives us blessings of insights and awareness too. I consider it a blessing by Him if He opens my eyes to something sooner than others and I thank Him deeply for it, but I don’t think less of others who weren’t so blessed. I don’t blame them as a whole group as if those like me are superior. I’m eager to share with those who may not have been gifted that way as quickly as I was and I appreciate the same understanding and kindness in return.

Susanna Bythesea's avatar

Our county doesn’t even pretend to recycle.

Thankfully.

I was still unquestioning about recycling when we moved to the south from the northeast, and called to ask how to get a recycle bin. The nice lady at the county offices explained that they don’t do that and basically implied it’s a racket 😅

Austin the Pug-puppy's avatar

I have the typical 2 bins. I figure the recycle bin just allows me to throw away garbage I can't stuff into 1 bin.

Susanna Bythesea's avatar

I’ve thought this before and honestly that’s part of why I called the county to get a recycle bin (which they didn’t have) in the first place. But now I just pay $13 a month for a second big green trash can from the city…I don’t know how much I’d pay in extra taxes for our entire county to play the recycling game. Even if it were cheaper…I’d still prefer if we as a nation live not by (recycling) lies 😁

Freedom Fox's avatar

I called trash recycling "Stupid Human Tricks" thirty+ years ago. When you see the recycle trucks hauling it away go to the same waste facility, same dock as regular trash it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

Then when you learn that most of what was to be recycled, loaded onto barges to China ends up being dumped into our oceans - after paying China to haul it away - you realize it's not just stupid it's a filthy scam.

But it "feels good" to recycle. It's virtuous! Same virtue signal to same virtue signalers who mask. And demand you mask, too. Because it "feels" like the virtuous thing to do. And nothing screams "virtue" like mandating virtue signals.

Note: I made this same argument in 2020 about maskers. Identifying the same psychology was/is in play as Stupid Human Trick recycling. Compelled imaginary virtue signaling.

Juju's avatar

Voting for Kamala is also a stupid human trick. 🤣

Tamsin's avatar

I assume the push to recycle plastic was at least partly to assuage guilty consciences in America, where we want to enjoy cheap consumer goods, including an infinite variety of convenience foods packaged in plastic, as part of our much-vaunted Standard of Living.

If you think you can recycle the plastic in which all the stuff is sold to you, you feel less guilty about buying the stuff, and you get to keep buying the stuff.

MaryAnn's avatar

My favorite dish towels are made from recycled plastic bottles. They come with a caution to not use them to retrieve hot food pans from the oven as they will melt. Have not tested them…

Sunnydaze's avatar

I posted this comment but copied and pasted it here too.

News flash: It isn’t cheap to recycle plastic either. 😱 Our private garbage collector in Oregon about 5-6 years ago started putting out their cost to recycle and determined it was too expensive!!! So they were going to dump everything in the landfill. Then, a couple years later they got bought out. Now, word from home is that nothing changed. A bigger company bought the little company and still recycles. FYI. Here in our county in Florida….starting Oct 1 we will no longer recycle. All going into the landfill together. It isn’t a private company either. It’s run by the county. PS - our cost went up, not down. 🙄

It’s all been the same scam to squeeze blood money out of us turnips and put money in their pockets. When it doesn’t work or they stop profiting…it’s back to the old way. 😂 In the meantime they’ve brainwashed the sheep that climate change is a threat! The sky is falling. Ahhhhhhhhhh 🙄

Fla Mom's avatar

I took our young son to tour the recycling plant and facility in our area outside Washington, DC, a couple of decades ago. They recycled everything it was possible to recycle, including fabrics. It was fairly high tech for a recycling plant, and they recycled a *lot* of stuff - a huge amount. They said they lost money every year.

SB's avatar

Yep and recycled materials cost more so everything in a recycled container costs more. Instead of putting all that time and effort into the whole recycling business, maybe they should've been trying to find a better material, that will actually degrade.

Sharon's avatar

I prefer to resurrect the vintage linens I use in my business rather than recycle.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Or, they being beyond that, into compost.. speaking from sleeping on 19th C linen sheets (not yet in compost, but darned by me in many places)

Alan Devincentis's avatar

Here in our part, Daytona, they’ve been landfilling the recyclables for years. And yet they still send out the second truck, to allow the virtue signalers to get their dose.

Susanna Bythesea's avatar

They’re just placating the liberals and government-indoctrinated with a decoy truck 😅 not saying I think they should but that is kinda funny.

Alan Devincentis's avatar

It’s kinda ridiculous. Make work.

SB's avatar

At least someone is honest about it.

Beckadee's avatar

Got to love the South!

Susanna Bythesea's avatar

I do!! Best move we ever made 👏

On an island's avatar

Good morning from GrWretched’s great land of Michigan. Regarding the recycling scam, my bro in law works as a civil engineer in CA and he told me a couple years ago that most of it ends up in the landfill. I was in disbelief. All that recycling effort by everyday people, whose time they just love to waste!

Me thinks it’s not just CA where this happens so until they level with people, now i only recycle if it’s convenient for me.

Renee Sommers's avatar

Having recently escaped from California…it’s ridiculous. In Fresno we needed to separate garbage, green waste and recyclables. The year before we left we had a one year grace period to start adding food waste, vegetable scraps and food, but not meat scraps, to our green can. After one year they were going to start fining people for not putting the scraps in the green can. 🙄 In addition we were to “rinse and dry” our containers of food residue for recycling. In an area that’s in a permanent drought, due to mismanagement of water supplies and not building a single new dam since 1960! I’m so glad I escaped to the free state of Arkansas. You can burn your leaves. If you want to recycle your cardboard you can haul it into the recycling center yourself. We did because we had four truck loads of boxes. 📦 The grocery stores takes your plastic bags to recycle if you want to, no extra middle man and no mandates! You can tell if someone is a Lib because they virtuously tell you “ we recycle”. ♻️

On an island's avatar

And what awful hypocrites! Threatening people at risk of getting fined to do all that extra work, and i’m sure you believed you were doing something good. How disheartening to find out they were just wasting your time!

Renee Sommers's avatar

Not to mention the expense and waste and pollution of having two separate trash trucks. One for recycling and garbage and the other for the green waste. The green waste makes some sense because they turn it into mulch. There is also the scam of out-of-state trucks hauling in extra plastic and aluminum bottles and cans for the recycling money…that wasn’t collected at the point of sale. You pay .5¢ or 10¢ extra per beverage for the recycling fee…that you get back if you return, if you recycle your garbage the trash vendor gets it. Although in our neighborhood the recycling can supported the homeless population.

Robin Greer's avatar

I never understood the recycling in CA since you use so much water to wash your trash but then you would be on water restriction and in the mountains during fire season you couldn't take a bath for more than 2 minutes but make sure you wash your trash. 🙄🤨

Jenn's avatar

I actually know that China was buying Canada's recycling and so Canadians have to clean their garbage first before it goes over the China for their businesses. Crazy. California is probably priming their citizens so they can cash in on the same opportunity as Canada.

LMWC's avatar

Also from Michigan, and my friend’s mentally challenged adult son worked in a recycling station for a bit. Everything ended up in trash trucks that went out at midnight. 🤨

On an island's avatar

Are we surprised? The lies by omission are just as bad as the blatant lies.

Jaye's avatar

It's part of the plan to keep folks so busy and distracted that they can't notice what's going on

Patti F's avatar

We separate out our plastic recycling only because our trash collection is for 3 trash bags a week. If we added plastics we'd go over our 3 bags so it's easier to separate it and not get charged a fee. If we had unlimited trash bags, we wouldn't bother separating it.

On an island's avatar

💯 and same. For us now it’s mostly self-serving to equal out our bins. I’m not under any delusions that we are actually doing something for the environment.

Vida Galore's avatar

It's everywhere. I learned about this over 10 years ago. It's amazing how long it takes to get to mainstream.

Robin Greer's avatar

And they have garbage police there...at least the few years we were there they did.

Bmused2's avatar

I'm a former court reporter, now captioner. I provide live captions for all sorts of agencies, cities, colleges, etc. I captioned multiple city meetings where they were discussing recycling. This one particular city said it just costs too much to recycle, and they had to ditch it from their budget. The residents were up in arms because all their trash was now going to the landfill. But the city official said most of it went to the landfill anyway because it's so expensive and only a fraction can be recycled. They ended up starting the program up again because residents were ticked.

NAB's avatar

My first job out of college was working for a hospital association in downstate NY. One of my projects was researching incinerators for disposing of medical waste. At the time, most hospitals had on-site incinerators and then used recapturing technology to utilize the heat produced from incineration. I've long wondered why efficient and clean incineration technology hasn't been developed further and applied more generally to household waste at landfill sites.

Dee's avatar

Retired court reporter/captioner here! We have a broader education than anyone due to our work. I spent a decade doing med mal and pharma liability depos. Eye opening!

Cindi's avatar

Med mal paralegal here! Permanently scarred by the cases I’ve seen & am now seeing. LOTS of cases w/ young people now w/ cancers that kill them in their 30s or 40s. NO ONE, not treating providers, medical “experts” or plaintiff or defense lawyers are connecting the dots to put the fault where it lies - the jabs. At least here in NM

Dee's avatar

I’m glad I’m retired. I’m still haunted by some of the horrific plaintiff stories.

Cindi's avatar

I do med mal defense. There are true plaintiff-victims but also a lot of scammers who expect perfect outcomes w/ known risks of various procedures or treatments. Sometimes shit happens w/out negligence. What I want to see is every clinician (doctors, nurses, pharmacists, “public health” officials, politicians) who knew the truth but participated in jabbing people or in the case of politicians, coerced & mandated the poison, to be punished

Fla Mom's avatar

I'm a retired physician, and a physician friend once said that there's no such thing as elective surgery - you either need it enough that taking *all* the risks, including disability and death, are worth it, or you don't.

Cindi's avatar

Since 2020, I don’t ever want to see a doctor or go to a hospital again. And I’m the daughter/granddaughter/niece of doctors (back when doctors were ethical)

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Back in the 90's we had a GOP Congressman who used to rail about tort (lawsuit) reform because that brought in the votes.

Invariably, tort reformers waved the bloody shirt of the McDonald's coffee case - even though that case was not at all unreasonable or unfair.

Tragically, the Congressman later lost one of his twins in the delivery room due to medical malpractice.

Still breaks my heart to think of it, even though he was probably the first glimmer of a huge red pill that was to come for me.

Cindi's avatar

That case was absolutely unreasonable & unfair.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Actually, contrary to the way it was portrayed by the sensationalist media, it was nothing of the sort.

For example, the elderly lady who got third degree burns, wasn't driving - she was a passenger. The lady had to endure multiple skin grafts to her vaginal area.

And, McDonalds admitted that they purposely over-heated their coffee to the point that they knew it was dangerously hot, and had badly injured many people.

They admitted they knew multiple people had been seriously burned by this practice, but they refused to stop doing it.

Further, they also admitted they did this on purpose because most of their customers bought the coffee to consume later, after they'd arrived at work.

Finally, the jury awarded only the amount of damages equal to the profits McD's made in one single hour of coffee sales. And the judge in the case slashed even that amount.

https://www.poolelg.com/blog/the-truth-behind-the-mcdonald-s-hot-coffee-case-.cfm

Susanna Bythesea's avatar

1) how do you get a job as a captioner? That sounds interesting.

2) our county also does not recycle, for the same reasons, and they are constantly fielding calls from new arrivals about it, too. I was one of those calls, ten years ago 😅 they were nice about explaining how useless it was, to me.

CaplT's avatar

Also the city taxes their residents to pay for recycling so that is a false statement.

CaplT's avatar

We pay for our own garbage. Idk if it is sorted and used.

Susanna Bythesea's avatar

The over-plastication…over-use of plastic…in our western cultures is disturbing, but you really don’t know how much till you try not using it. One day I decided I didn’t want to clothe my kids in plastics that leech into their skin and are endocrine disrupters and contain cancer causing components. You would not believe what a challenge it is to find natural fiber kids clothes (on a budget). Sooo much of what is sold as “cotton” or “linen” is actually a blend with a high percentage of polyester (plastic). 😑

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

For same reason I chose to make all my little girls' nighties, o f100% cotton, back in the 80's. If a sample burns fast with ash, it's cotton. If it burns fast and leaves a little drop of hardening goo, it's plastic. A combination of the two still shows the goo-factor. I moved to doing a burn test on all fabrics I bought.

AngelaK's avatar

In the 80s, all children's pyjamas had to be flame retardant by law, and there were no cotton pyjamas! There were some that were not called pyjamas, but they were expensive back then.

I wish I had been taught to sew. I think that schools are doing a great diservice to girls by not teaching them these skills.

Peter d'Errico's avatar

And the flame retardant turned out to be toxic. Surprise

Susanna Bythesea's avatar

I’m in the thick of buying kids pjs and now, you can get non-flame retardant ones (cotton) as long as they are “snug-fitting”. The whole flame retardant idea itself is ludicrous. Won’t save your child in a fire (and will likely give them serious reactions and possibly cancer) but that’s seriously what people think. “It’s a fire-saving suit!!”

Fla Mom's avatar

AngelaK, it's much harder to find fabric shops now, too; they used to be in all the shopping malls, etc., but no more. Fabric is somewhat expensive, too, compared to buying off-the-shelf (which is typically made in low-income countries). Our local high school doesn't teach sewing, cooking, or wood/metal shop anymore. The director of our local food bank told our youth club not to donate flour, because "they don't know what to do with it."

Robin Greer's avatar

Having visions of Sounds of Music and the drapes being sewn to make play clothes. 😉

Susanna Bythesea's avatar

Second this issue with fabric supply - I looked into learning to sew my kids’ clothes and it was pricing out to be far more expensive than if I could bargain shop or thrift. I maybe could have swallowed the extra cost if my kids don’t destroy clothes in a season but 🤷‍♀️

I think often, how did these kids in the past make it through on two pairs of clothes (play/work clothes and church clothes)? Despite my best efforts my kids would be in rags all the time if we only had two pairs each 😅

AngelaK's avatar

Maybe that is why, even going back to the 40s, blue jeans, (known as dungarees in the past), were a staple for casual wear for boys. They are extremely durable. All cotton too!

Alan Devincentis's avatar

Just went to my local epiphany church used goods store to get some play clothes for myself. Stuff that won’t burn, will look stupid, and I can destroy. For work. And I noticed something. Trying to find 34 inch waist men’s anything, forget it. We wear our stuff out. Obviously. This store was four racks full of women’s clothes, seventy feet long. I bought all four pairs of 34 inch men’s pants. It’s just something I noticed.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Wrangler lists the weight of denim (100%/cotton) on each model. Hence, I bought pairs for husband for Christmas present

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

That example of Congressional wisdom is exactly what drove me to making their nighties (to be honest, I was sewing most of the rest of their clothes anyway). Because a few really stupid parents were smoking while leaning over baby’s crib, setting the bedding on fire, every parent in the country should poison ever child. Duh.

Robin Greer's avatar

That's government logic for you. They really should spend their time getting rid of laws that make no sense rather than passing any new ones.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

All middle schools I have encountered have required sewing class in at least one year. Sewing can be a self-taught skill—it does not require a teacher other than yourself—especially in the era of YouTube. So, get going!

Robin Greer's avatar

They took out all the sewing and cooking classes in the schools here. I guess not enough time for DEI indoctrination.

AngelaK's avatar

I never encountered a sewing class in the 70s.

Susanna Bythesea's avatar

My mom used to make some of our clothes when I was growing up too, I think more for fun than health, and I would love to learn how to sew that well myself. It’s a great skill!

Janet's avatar

I sewed my own clothes on a treadle machine because dad would give me money for fabric and I could make stylish garments. I made swim suits, coats and all my formal gowns. My wedding gown. I could do bound buttonholes on lined suits in 7th grade. I rarely sew now. But so enjoyed it when I was younger.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Yes, bound buttonnholes! And Vogue couturier designs. I was so in fashion on a shoestring, thanks to Mother's tutelage. But now, I really do not care.

Janet's avatar

I taught myself by using old curtains to practice the machine on. Aprons and such. I followed pattern directions until I got it right. I was basically shaped like a board then so fit was easy. Fitting would be much harder now. Sadly 🤔😏🙄

AngelaK's avatar

My mother knew how to sew and to knit, even though she could afford not to. It was a sweet hobby for women who didn't work outside the home.

P Flournoy's avatar

My mom made 90% of my clothes until I left home. She even made my wedding dress and I had two bridesmaids and she made their dresses too.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I made the wedding dress and bridesmaid gowns for daughter (I was teaching only half-time at that time). For next daughter wedding--teaching full time, I only had to make my own dress--the bridesmaid sisters made their own; the bride wore her great grandmother's gown (worn by sister, mother, grandmother and great aunt as well)

P Flournoy's avatar

I never wore the same dress twice on a date. She would make me a new dress every every weekend.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Have to confess, whenever I wanted a new garment, she was happy to make it. In high school I had a deal with her--I wanted a new something, she made it, and I did all the housecleaning. My sewing skills at that time were rudimentary. That didn't change until I bought a machine of my own, at end of freshman college year.

AngelaK's avatar

Have you tried online children's clothing like H and M or Gap and Gap Factory. I was pleasantly surprised that these inexpensive and cute clothing were also all cotton.

Susanna Bythesea's avatar

I actually just “discovered” H&M while looking for onesies for my big toddler and was so excited to find they had affordable cotton and organic cotton options! Looking for bigger sizes, it looks like their 100% cotton options sell out fast but I love that they are offering it and for respectable prices! My husband immediately pointed out they (and GAP, which is still a little out of our price range for five messy little boys 😅) are woke companies. But at some point you just need to clothe your kids 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

C Rabbit's avatar

I KNEW IT! I have been complaining for years about recycling being bogus! (Swearword here) scumbags!

Patti F's avatar

I remember when supermarkets had all paper bags and we switched to plastic to save the trees.

Vince's avatar

Paper bags bad, save the trees, use plastic, then plastic bad, then buy reusable bags, then reusable bags are bad because they are covered in C19 and flu germs.

St. Alia the Knife's avatar

I remember being asked "Paper or plastic?" at the grocery store. I had a standard answer: "Your choice, because no matter which one I pick, someone is going to be mad about it."

Mrs. "the Knife"

christopher peacock's avatar

Save the trees is another scam . Trees used for all paper products have been farmed for the last 70 years in the USA , Europe, Asia

MaryAnn's avatar

What do kids protect their text books with these ‘plastic bag’ days? I remember cutting/pasting/taping book covers from brown paper grocery bags. Yes, I am old.

Patti F's avatar

They SELL book covers now! Of course! They're fabric, which means the kids can't write on them. My son's school has digital versions of all of the text books so he never brings the textbooks home - just his chromebook. Because apparently bringing home an electronic device is less costly for the school than having a text book get beat up. (please note I'm being sarcastic).

AngelaK's avatar

My mother used to exclaim decades ago, that recycling was a scam, because once it started (decades ago), more and more plastic was coming to our supermarkets.

I hate plastic! However, I don't know how big warehouses would operate without it. The amount of plastic used on foods there is insane.

Jaye's avatar

My gosh! And remember "paperless offices"?

Dr Linda's avatar

Same but I hope not

Teresa Carstensen's avatar

PAST TENSE????: "This WAS an assassination attempt"..."sorry I FAILED"???

STRANGE that the letter was SUPPOSEDLY WRITTEN BEFORE the attempt...yet it SOMEHOW "KNOWS" that the attempt FAILED?

Riddle me that, ... (?!)

My Favorite Things's avatar

I wouldn’t be surprised if the note was actually written by a government employee in the hopes that it will encourage a (or several) mentally unbalanced person to assasinate Trump in the near future.

rowantree's avatar

Could have been pre written in case of failure. Not that it isn't suspicious.

Juju's avatar

But then wouldn’t it have been worded “In the event that I fail…” Or, “If I don’t succeed, this letter is to…”.

It’s as if those setting this up forgot to think the way a person would be thinking when writing it. 🤣

Curtis's avatar

My immediate thought!

Vida Galore's avatar

The CIA has trouble writing convincing manifestos, too...

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

Every single day, a certain maternal relative (who shall remain un-named) carefully rinses all her plastic waste items, then cuts them up with shears before painstakingly placing them neatly in the recycling bin, in the unshakeable belief her labors will make her garbage more easily recycled.

. . . Jeff, you're callin' out my wife, man! Stop that. Ha, I'm dyin'.

NAB's avatar

I don't cut things up, but because the plastics and cans and glass jars sit around in my garage before going to the recycling center, I do make sure they are clean so as not to smell or attract critters.

Austin the Pug-puppy's avatar

Do you wash your regular garbage?

patrick.net/memes's avatar

I remember my grandmother laughing in astonishment that people had started "washing their garbage". She was not a recycler.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

In that same vein, if my late father (b. 1914) knew that I sometimes pay money for drinking water, he'd come out of his grave.

Juju's avatar

We store our regular garbage can outside to avoid smells, but the recycle bin sits inside our garage for a week and so I too rinse any food out of them first.

NAB's avatar

My recycle bin sits in my pantry area. I wash that our regularly too. Garbage is in the garbage can in the garage.

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

yup, that is my wife!

BUT. The OTHER container in the same pull out cabinet tray stinks a bunch, so what's the point?! Geeez.

NAB's avatar

Oh, I regularly wash out the recycle bin, too :) And if the stuff that goes into it is already washed, it's not too bad.

Melissa S's avatar

I live where there is plenty of land available for landfill if needed. But inadequate water. The logic of washing all my plastics before disposing of them in a recycle bin makes no sense to me. Especially if that plastic ends up in a landfill anyway. But that is what we are being told to do.....

NAB's avatar

Exactly. They won't take the recycling if it is "dirty."

Curtis's avatar

Lol. Ironically, cutting it up renders it unrecyclable. The machines they use to sort it necessitates it to be "bottle-shaped". Early on we were told to "check the neck", as flexible tubs would jamb up the machines.

Susanna Bythesea's avatar

Wait, so should we go outside more, to avoid breathing indoor plastic pollution into our brains or stay inside more to avoid breathing chemtrails? Healthy living is so convoluted these days 😩

Fla Mom's avatar

Indoor air quality has been worse than outdoor air for a long time. Think of all the plastic materials in a building - carpet, air conditioner filters, wall'paper', upholstery, ....

Vida Galore's avatar

Ahhhh so that's yet another perk for the PTB for making the west burn up all summer. I just spent 2+ months indoors because of constant fires and heavy smoke all around (Boise, ID).

Susanna Bythesea's avatar

😩

Years ago we had a salesman at a furniture store try sell us adding Scotch-Guard (for an extra fee) to the new couch we were buying. I told him politely, no thanks, I don’t want it degrading into our home environment. He was completely confused and a little irritated at us for not wanting the added chemicals 😅

JT's avatar

Remember when they paid us to recycle?

Remember when recycling was free?

We now pay $7.50 per bag of recycling in certain areas in WA state.

AL's avatar

hahaha Washington. The state leader in marxism.

Vida Galore's avatar

Seriously. They have CA beat which is saying something.

St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Well, not quite as bad as CA, and it is a toss-up which is worse, WA or OR.

Mrs. "the Knife"

Susanna Bythesea's avatar

Eventually, if left unchecked, they’ll do what Canada did over fifteen ago (my in-laws were living there at the time): clear plastic bags and fines if you don’t comply. Even your trash wasn’t yours.

I think now is always a good time to call out the lies, before the liars continue to grow more bold and brazen. (And they’re pretty bad already!)

Jenn's avatar

China was buying Canada's recycling that why Canadians were having to practically sanitize their recyclable items.

Jaye's avatar

Depends where you are. Our county (Ontario) has a swanky recycling system, but clear bags are verboten

Based Florida Man's avatar

Exactly. Time to give up on the scam.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

When we lived in Seattle there was the very real threat of a hefty ticket for failure to separate food waste from garbage and recycling.

AngelaK's avatar

Well, I recently found out that my county in Florida does not recycle glass.

I am starting to wonder what exactly is recycled??

Based Florida Man's avatar

It seems like a mirage, doesn't it.

I'm thinking I'm just saving aluminum cans and just trash the rest of it.

Fla Mom's avatar

AngelaK, in our county the high school environmental club investigated and found out that all the 'recycling,' carefully placed into the special separated bins, just went to the same dump. Now at least there's no pretending; everything goes in the trash together. We have a metal recycling business that does everything from cars to aluminum cans, and we do recycle metal; they pay well for it, too.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Metal cans are the most recyclable material. Almost all metal cans get recycled if separated from the other trash.

Our recycling guys are Nazis. If you accidentally put unrecyclable plastic (even though it has a ♻️ symbol) they will refuse to take any of it and leave me a nastygram.

CaplT's avatar

Clear glass only in CA. Colored glass does not recycle well for some reason. Maybe all the colors jumbled together do not make attractive wine bottles …

St. Alia the Knife's avatar

I seem to recall on one of those HGTV/DIY shows someone was building a "sustainable" house and was looking into a recycled material for countertops. They went to a company that used recycled glass to make countertops. They were showed huge bins of different colored glass to choose from. I wonder if the company is still in business.

Mrs. "the Knife"

MaryAnn's avatar

There is a settlement outside of Albuquerque with houses made from all discarded material: tires, cans, glass, etc. They used composting toilets and separated gray water from black water for vegetable gardens. The place reminded me of a Star Wars desert movie set.

Jenn's avatar

That's just what they tell folks so they have less costs, IMHO

Vida Galore's avatar

What a scam. This is what you get for living in an uber-wokie state. So sorry.

St. Alia the Knife's avatar

In our area of WA state, we get a minuscule "credit" on our trash collection bill for recycling. The charge for recycling is almost as much as the charge for garbage!

Mrs. "the Knife"

Based Florida Man's avatar

Speaking of Ukrainians in America up to no good...

Did you see (((Zelensky))) just visited Pennsylvania with Governor (((Josh Shapiro))) signing artillery rounds destined to kill White Christian men.

https://twitter.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/status/1838264641660592234 30sec vid

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Election interference.

Pennsylvania cheats.

Told 'ya.

Based Florida Man's avatar

Yes. Zelesnky also talked crap about Trump and Vance ('the guy is unstable') and advocated for Harris. All while he's pocketing money from all US taxpayers.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

And he flew into Pennsylvania on an US Air Force plane.

...more taxpayer money.

barbara ford's avatar

agree, on top of everything else, it was so, SO wrong to use a usaf plane!

we are fools to put up w this mockery!

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

How did Gov. Shapiro even think it was a good idea to sign munitions that will be sent to Ukraine to kill Russians?

Do people think Putin didn't see that one?

Cindi's avatar

So when she becomes prez, can we shriek Ukraine! Ukraine! Ukraine & impeach??? She also got “endorsed” by Putin 😂

Jpeach's avatar

No need to cheat in Maryland. The Swamp protects their residents.

NormaJeanne's avatar

And that smarmy senator Bob Casey was standing there grinning with Shapiro. I wish the GOP would find an electable candidate here in PA. we went from RINO Toomey, to Fetterman because they ran Dr. Oz of all people. 🙄

George Burnet's avatar

And I recall that Trump was an Oz fanboy. Jeff is right - we should not rely on some superman (not even Trump) or superwoman to save the day. It's up to us. Take agency. Local. Local Local!

LMWC's avatar

We can do both. Never thought Trump was Superman, but he opened our eyes to what the Swamp was. God kept him here for a reason. Now it’s up to us.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Because he hired them for his White House?

When he promised to empty the Swamp, I had no idea he meant by hiring them.

LMWC's avatar

Fred, I notice you only show up to complain about DJT. Would you prefer the hologram that is Harris? Is that your preference?

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

"Fred, I notice you only show up to complain about DJT."

Oh, and on the date you posted this I had about 8 comments - only 1 of which was about Trump.

Fact check: false

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

It's this idiocy ("Oh so you're voting for Kamala!!??") that assures the Good Cop - Bad Cop routine that the Uniparty plays will never end.

This is exactly why we can't have real progress.

Trump Cult gonna cult. Enjoy the Harris Admin.

NormaJeanne's avatar

I had heard it was Ivanka who convinced her father to endorse Oz. But seriously, c’mon! Oz?

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

And Sean Parnell had to drop out of the race because of a custody issue with his ex-wife.

Always suspected the ex-wife might have received $$$ to knock him out of the race.

NormaJeanne's avatar

Being an ex-spouse to a political candidate, or a political candidate’s spouse must be pretty lucrative.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Which was exactly the way associate professor Barack Hussein Obama was elevated to the Senate. His GOP opponent was conveniently brought down by a sex scandal involving his wife.

Austin the Pug-puppy's avatar

It seems like they keep running more and more ridiculous candidates just to see at what point the public will finally say NO MORE! They must be laughing from deep down in their guts.

NormaJeanne's avatar

And realistically, anyone who would be a great candidate probably isn’t willing to put their families into the sewer pit. They know what is in store for them.

Fla Mom's avatar

Sean Parnell, former Army Infantry Captain, was running for Senator from PA in the 2022 election, but his wife accused him of past abuse and a court awarded her custody, and he dropped out to attend to family matters. The judge cited Sean's pending absences should he win his Senate race in his custody decision.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Combat wounded Afghanistan...he and his men went through Hell.

jewel's avatar

and wrote a book exposing much of the bs of that waste

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Casey ran on daddy's coattails. He is a nepo baby.

I contacted Casey's office last year because I was concerned/pissed that I had just receives a Rx from the VA that was made in China. The original label was still on the bottle.

Originally received a "we are looking into it" letter, then nothing.

No answer. No final response.

NormaJeanne's avatar

No one is coming to save us. We’re going to have to become ungovernable.

Juju's avatar

Really disturbing to watch any leader sign a weapon that will kill people.

Robyn Welch's avatar

Because harris has the same puppet master as biden. And maybe she'll get a % of the Ukraine $$$. Are there ties between Ukraine and China? Just curious

patrick.net/memes's avatar

I do suspect that the top US goal of the war in Ukraine was to get as many Slavic men to kill each other as possible.

this little authoritarian's avatar

Varma shouldn't have been fired. He should have been exiled to a remote island along with all the other 'health authority' tyrants where they could devolve a la 'lord of the flies'.

Austin the Pug-puppy's avatar

Isn't that how Australia was established. Obviously, it didn't take.

Beckadee's avatar

He may end up on a remote island in the end. I bet he's wearing a mask if he's brave enough to walk the NY streets. Better cover those eyes too.

Cindi's avatar

Or just have sex parties….

Vida Galore's avatar

Varma would just make an orgy out of it and enjoy himself. I prefer the public shaming. :)