Agree 💯. Archbishop Vigano has and is faithful to the church. I consider him to be a true leader for the Church. Francis reaped what he sowed. He was an awful "pope."
The Globalists and the CCP have penetrated and compromised most institutions of Western Civilization. Their objective is the Destruction of Western Civilization. It’s not hard to deduct that Pope Francis was likely compromised. Unfortunately, many world leaders are likely compromised. ex: John Roberts.
A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger. Judgemental poison like telling someone "F-Off turd"? The verse that comes after the one you quoted so eloquently? "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" We all have plenty of planks in our own eyes.
Love your neighbor (OR hate the sin but not the sinner), and worry about being a loving person if it's important to you. As for Jews, are you friends with any? Have you been to a synagogue? I've been to Tree of Life in Pittsburgh and they embrace love for all even after the heinous murders there. Hate creates hate. Do better. Your venom creates an incredible argument for the people who want all people to be loved.
Hey Dude, the Houthises have been pirating ships of all nationalities in the straight since President Cabbage got in, gave his approval. Now our Great President has to clean up the mess, AGAIN! Get with the program.
Don't fret about Abiding Dud... unless you agree with him, he goes off like a rocket and his true colors come out... he's crud(e) and has a MOUTH on him....
his 2 buttons are: agree with me and we're friends or disagree /challenge my narrative and I'll make you suffer by insulting you and calling you every name under the sun.... I say it's best to ignore the pest
You one of those "The USA is the Policeman of the world" clowns... ?? Make war on everyone... to serve teh Zionist scum... and to feed our MIC and Deep State??
Damned fool.
The Houthis are attacking ships that supply the filthy mass-murdering Zionist pigs... NOT our fight... it is Israel's... and they seem to have Trump by the nuts.
Let's see... "Weidermeier"... sure smells jewish to me. Eh?
Explain this, maggot... or is your fellow jew lying?
Jorge Bergoglio has appeared before God the Father, the TRUE Father, THE ONLY Father... He had lots of explaining to do: like why did you force your parishioners to disregard the fact that the clot shots contain aborted fetus cells? Didn't speak against that, nor the clot shot... Why did you urge your priests to accept and bless homosexual couples as "married"? Why, pray tell did you remain silent as you received drag queens to entertain you at the Vatican celebration of World's Childrens Day, indigenous witches and their Pachamama at the Amazon synod.
I hope you repented of all these abominations and asked Jesus to forgive you before you died because I'm certain you'll find out there is NO purgatory.... But hell is as real as Heaven...
If Vigano was elected Pope, only then would I have some hope for the RCC.
Let me add, I am speaking of the RCC as an institution. I am not referencing the RC people. I know many Catholics who are faithful, believing Christians that could give any Baptist a run for their money. God always has His remnant.
Sadly true. But if that were reversed, that would make quite a statement. The church, both RC and Protestant, are in need of "reformation" at the leadership level.
Unfortunately that can’t be reversed bc the Church can only carry on in “business as usual” mode until a new pope is elected. No new bishops appointed, nothing so grave as excommunication.
God the Father wants ALL to be saved but not all want to be saved.
He never turns His back on anyone who comes to Him with a pure heart.
When I converted to Catholicism for 10 years (age 17-27) I had a hard time with the scripture that said "Call no man on earth your father for you have One Father and He is in heaven" Matt 23:9 and also telling my sins to this man for him to forgive me. I knew at age 17 that Jesus was who I needed to confess sins to not a man so it never felt right. I've been a non-denominational Christ Follower since age 27. I get it now that all religiosity is manmade with manmade doctrine and traditions and that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are looking at the heart of each true believer and the spiritual reconnection as it was before we were formed in the womb.
You are so right! I was also called out of the catholic church in my teen years, interestingly enough while attending catholic school. Whenever I asked the nuns about something in the bible, they couldn't explain it to me... "Call no man your father" "confess your sins to one another" The thing that finally did it for me was when I knelt before a clay figurine of a saint... it dawned on me that THIS WAS JUST PAINTED CLAY! The ONLY ONE we should direct our petitions to is GOD!
We serve and believe in the LIVING GOD, why would anyone pray to the dead??? Yes, God definitely called me out of that church... And I thank Him for it.
Personally, I want Cardinal Sarah to be elected. I love Archbishop Vigano… and support him completely. Cardinal Sarah is a leader who we need now. He should have been Pope instead of Pope Francis in my humble opinion but I didn’t have a vote.
As a TLM supporter, but not fanatically so (I still prefer Novus Ordo, but done very respectfully and gracefully), I am also a Cardinal Sarah supporter as well. Though Vigano would be wonderful too.
Former Catholic here. My trust in that institution caved when college friends (guys) talked about when Fr. So-and-so would ‘come for them’ one by one, each night during the week at camp. The institution allowed, ignored, covered blatant pedophilia for decades. Then minimized it, shuffled the offenders off to parishes in the middle of nowhere to prey on people no one cared about.
I believe there are special consequences awaiting for those sins committed against the most innocent.
There's a record of every pedo "event" encouraged, coerced, committed by every member of the clergy and the popes that enabled them... They will find out there is NO purgatory to atone for their sins....
You are one after my own heart. Have you heard of the Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter? It was a gift from Pope Benedict meant to heal Henry VIII’s rift and bring desiring Anglicans back home. Our hymns are centuries old, sometimes Medieval 🥹. And aren’t played on bongos (at least, not in my parish). 😁 Look up a Mass on YouTube!
I'm not sure I would have joined the Church (four years ago this month at Easter Vigil) if I hadn't been drawn to the Faith by our relatively traditional Parish.
We began attending Mass because our granddaughter (and legal ward) was attending a K-8 Catholic school run bu our Parish. We saw the Church as never before, attending Mass done with beauty and respect.
Our Parish does not celebrate TLM, but Novus Ordo, with once a month a Mass with much of the Mass said in Latin. Mass is always said ad orientum at our Parish, and with great sincerity.
I think I would go into severe mourning if our Diocese (or 'higher up' the chain of command) were to forbid ad orientum, or our use of Latin.
I have not previously heard of Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter, thank you, I will look i to it. 😊
Congratulations! I enjoyed your story and am grateful to God that your little one has you. I share your love for the reverence and tradition. I was raised Episcopalian and went to what was referred to as a “high” church, meaning (I think) that our Masses were always very formal. The dim light, the censer my Dad swung, the vestments, and the traditional hymns were all my first memories of Church and how I believed it should be. I would go on to worship in other churches (Presbyterian, Baptist, namely) but they were all missing something, even the Catholic parishes that succumbed to the Charismatic movement. I could hardly find one that hadn’t, so I finally resigned myself to it and tried to leave my resentment at the holy water font. I’m overjoyed that I finally get to enjoy the fullness of our faith and the form that I’ve cherished since my childhood. Peace be with you!
Thank you for sharing the beauty of your experience with me, Stacy. Such precious memories, and I'm so happy for you to have found the right niche in the Church!
Personally, I was raised up in a theoretically Baptist household, we never Baptized until I was in my 30's, and then it was into the Missouri Synmod Lutheran Church! Looking back at my journey, I think I gained a lot by trying until I found a good fit for me, though I have very much been at odds with some of the political and medical opinions coming from Rome. /sigh
I still think it's the right choice, and I am Blessed. :) VERY grateful that we have found our home in a Parish that is so much more traditional than most!
P.S. Don't tell any of the other Catholics, but at home I frequently listen to Tennessee Ernie Ford and sing along -- memories of my Dad and I so many years ago.
Your secret is safe with me. 😉 Nothing wrong with honoring the 5th Commandment, is there?
We converts are a fortunate lot, I agree. Sure, I missed out on the pretty white confirmation dress as a little girl, but I wouldn’t have appreciated my faith the way I do, I think.
I didn’t really have any problems with Rome until this last Pope, but it has been revealing and a lesson in faith. Our servicemen remain steadfast in their commitment during bad administrations and it’s the same for us. I can’t pick a better church any more than I can pick a better country.
My same thoughts. Pope Francis was a socialist and followed socialism more than Catholic theology. I had no respect for his political views and he hurt the Catholic Church in many ways.
The Catholic Church has had many bad popes that were duly elected and not “imposters.” It’s the risk of putting humans into the highest seat in the church. We are imperfect beings.
All it accomplishes, is to give God a bad rap...since they're supposed to be the vicar of Christ. How many popes in times past sired children, funded wars, looked the other way when the clergy were abusing children... They use this position, not to preach God's Word, but for their own power and lusts...
You are correct in that catholics are not alone in their sin or scandal. We are all mired in sin, that's for sure. However, not all claim to be "vicars" of Christ as the catholic popes do.
As a former catholic, I DO understand how the word is abused by the pope and how the teachings of Jesus Christ are mocked, misrepresented and completely shredded by most popes... in their many papal bulls or decrees, not only do they claim infallibility (when they change the church's mandates or position on something, this alone is proof that they're not infallible) but papal supremacy... Mere men, and mere sinful men are never vicars of Christ.
I see my words may come off confrontational, which they weren’t meant that way, apologies, just poor skill with words. Just merely a desire to inform and hope for understanding of something that is so precious to me, much like your faith must be.
Your understanding of infallibility is a little off. The pope is not infallible in everything he says, that would be impossible as he is still a man. He can’t say chocolate is the best food and all Catholics believe that. That would be absurd. The instances of actual papal infallibility are incredibly rare and few and far between and are only on matters limited to divinely revealed dogmas concerning faith and morals, it is not to make known new doctrines. So the pope can’t say infallibly that now murder is a virtue and it would be an infallible proclamation because we have established since the time of Moses that murder is a horrible sin. The pope can’t change that. Infallibility was Jesus’ way of ensuring the faith would endure through corrupt and horrible humans. It’s not a human “skill” but an act of the Holy Spirit.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church is online, which you are probably familiar with, if you’d like to clarify anything else.
And yet in spite of human error and sin, the Catholic Church has endured for 2000 years. Doesn’t that make wonder how? Doesn’t it make you conclude that even with the imperfect men as pope and the imperfect humans as Catholics, there may be something more and deeper that has allowed it to endure so long? God surely would have allowed it to be destroyed by now, but He allows humanity’s free will and redirects and course corrects the church, which involves exposing the sin and corruption. I’m not saying the popes haven’t done what you said they’ve done, I’m saying you aren’t truly understanding their role and how the church views their role.
I don't believe I misunderstand what papal infallibility is about, and I'm glad to hear you say that the pope is not infallible since he is merely a human being. I certainly agree with you there! Where my problem lies is that popes CLAIM infallibility when in actuality no human being could ever CLAIM THAT AT ALL! But bc that claim is made, catholics world wide see this mere man as someone he is not. It elevates him into an idolatrous role...
Most of the catholic rituals and traditions are not based on Sacred Scripture and actually go against the word God... Call no man your father, for you have ONE Father in Heaven...yet they teach and encourage this...
Where do we see in Scripture that praying to the dead is taught? But rather, make your petition to God in the name of Jesus, boldly come before the throne of grace where you will find grace through the blood of Christ...
The "enthroning of Mary" as the "queen of heaven" was done through a papal bull ...the declaration of Mary as "Empress of the Americas" also by another pope... BUT NOWHERE in Scripture do we see this, ever... THIS IS IDOLATRY and it saddens me that millions upon millions are being walked into hell by the teachings of the catholics.
The parable of the Wheat and the Tares comes to mind when wondering why the CC has been allowed to continue. I departed this institution in my teen years... God called me out of it, and He guided me into a non denominational church. My parents, though Sunday only catholics, stayed and fought for their "faith" while I prayed that their eyes would be opened... Many years later, they gave their lives to Christ and lived a daily life in Him... never officially walked out of the CC... I'm certain this has been repeated thousands of times in thousands of families, and I pray that God continues to open eyes and ears so we can see Him more clearly and listen (obey) because He is coming back for His Bride soon.
I’m sad about his death for the sole reason I’m not sure about his salvation. The vaccine was just one of his issues. Praying Catholics get a true believer in Jesus Christ for their next leader.
I heard reports of him being sedated before he died, that he was yelling at demons. The man has blood on his hands. I also saw a photo of him in his early days in Argentina with his right hand tucked into his jacket front, a freemason sign.
I may take me a while to find the info, but a class I was in about 15 years ago was digging into it. Supposedly the Black Vatican is the ‘powerhouse’ that controls the pope. And that entity controls, not just Rome, but the world.
I’m going to try getting in touch with the instructor, as my notes are packed and in storage. But I will try to get back to you today. (
Kind of like the "Council on Foreign Relations" or the rest of the deep state for the US presidency.
FYI, I just started reading Mike McCormick's book: 'An Almost Insurmountable Evil', how Obama's Deep State Defiled the Catholic Church and Executed the Wuhan Plandemic.
Thus the Drug Trust, while maintaining the Stalinist Communist Government in Russia, simultaneously maintained a Communist back up regime in the United States, the Trotskyite Movement, in case the Stalinist regime should fall."
I had a two week court case in California, by jury. I ditched all social media, killed my accounts before trial (I won!). FB was gone. My right wing anti vax sentiments were not going to go well with a SoCal jury! I never missed it for a minute. I like SubStack. But should it change for me it too will be gone.
My dad didn’t go along with the Jesuits in college and I think they messed with him and his career later. They enjoy working with the Freemasons in upstate New York. Lower level Freemasons are clueless to what goes on.
They ARE a tough bunch!! My wife, who is a recovering Catholic, scoffs at the Jesuits but I keep one eye opened in their presence. The one thing that they do effectively is playing basketball.
If one of the Jesuit schools win March Madness next year, I’ll have to keep both of my eyes in the open position.
Don’t forget that Lee Harvey Oswald spoke to a crowd of Jesuits at Spring Hill College, in Mobile, AL 10 days before his infamous confrontation in New Orleans... his speech covered Marxism and how it was so much better than capitalism and communism.
I don't know who was the witness or witnesses. But that was some general report that I read somewhere along the way on the x tweets. Is it true? Don't know. But that was very interesting
There are a lot of made up stories right now...just saying.
From today's news:
'Around an hour later, after making a gesture of farewell with his hand to Mr. Strappetti, lying in bed in his second-floor apartment at the Casa Santa Marta, the Pope fell into a coma," the Vatican said.
"According to those who were with him in his final moments, he did not suffer. It all happened quickly," the church's statement continued, describing Francis' death as "discreet ... almost sudden, without long suffering or public alarm."
Many people are attacked by demons at death, holy and unholy people. It’s the demons last chance to snatch their soul away from God, yet God is with us closer then we know at this moment. I’ve been with many people who are dying. We cannot judge his soul…
If he is treated fairly, he will get no mercy. He pushed abortions, same sex marriage and the mutilation of children. I suspect he will never be cold again.
I agree, Susan. I don't think Pope Francis opened his eyes in glory. He was a globalist who openly supported many things that Scripture says are abominations. No amount of people praying for him now will make any difference about his eternal location. He'd already decided that during his long life on this earth.
Cynthia, Someone posted on this site that they had to give him a shot to calm him down because he was yelling about demons. I don’t know if it is true.
Technically we all deserve no mercy, so Jesus came here to die because of our sin.
The pope is just a man and should not be on a pedestal or worshipped IMO.
We know that heinous deeds have been done in the name of God, but were anything but... What matters is the condition of our soul and we should be a light among men. Was the pope a light among men?
1 John 4:4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
Just like St. Dismas on the cross next to our Lord? Did he deserve mercy? The Lord gave him mercy when he asked our Lord to remember him when he comes into his kingdom: "Today you will be with Me in paradise", was the Lord's answer.
We don't know the condition of his soul at the moment of death, only Jesus Christ knows that. We pray that he was right with the Lord at his passing.
I have plenty of 'political' disagreements with Pope Francis (and his handlers) and wished he had stayed "in his lane" with all the socialist and climate change nonsense. I disagree that he pushed abortions, but he didn't speak out forcibly or clearly on issues. Too many items to list here.
May he rest in peace. I pray that the Lord's will be done and that He has mercy on me, a sinner.
Great point on the communication style, Angela. Even though he spoke several languages (five I think), his answers at times in their English translation were a cluster mess of words.
The msm does the bidding of the evil one (twist and distort everything), in my opinion. That is one of the clearer answers from Pope Francis. He was talking about that we are all human and that Christ died for all our sins and it is an act of charity for the individual to receive a blessing. Even the question she asked teed it up as if the blessing is of the homosexual "union" and he was speaking on blessing of the individual.
While the pope didn't "push" abortions, he was pushing the vaccines that were grown on aborted fetal tissues, calling it "morally acceptable" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55409693
I completely disagreed with him on the jabs for that reason (I believe the J&J jab was the one related to the old aborted fetal tissue line), where the others were based on the mRNA. Both are morally wrong and reprehensible in my book. Also, there was absolutely zero 'informed consent'. Experimental bioweapon spike protein clot shot death jabs are never a good thing...
Those that needed and sought religious exemptions from our parish priest, received them. It should have never gotten to that point of needing a religious exemption.
On the subject of purgatory, as a non-Catholic, I've often wondered about this. So, I have an honest question: Where in the Bible does it indicate there is a purgatory?
The Catholic concept of purgatory is rooted in both tradition and biblical interpretation. While the word "purgatory" itself does not appear in the Bible, Catholics believe the idea is supported by scripture and early Christian teachings.
One key passage often cited is **2 Maccabees 12:39-46**, where prayers and sacrifices are offered for the dead, suggesting a belief in post-death purification. Additionally, **1 Corinthians 3:11-15** describes a process where a person's works are tested by fire, and they may suffer loss but still be saved—interpreted by some as a reference to purgatory. Other verses, such as **Matthew 5:25-26** and **Matthew 12:32**, hint at the possibility of sins being forgiven in the "age to come," which some theologians link to purgatory.
The early Church Fathers also wrote about a purification process after death, reinforcing the idea that purgatory was part of Christian belief long before the Protestant Reformation.
Orthodox do not use the term Purgatory, but believe that praying for the dead is efficacious, and as we (RC and EO) go back to the first millennium together as one church, believe it for the same Biblical based reasons.
I appreciate your quick response. I don't have any experience with the Books of the Maccabees. When I have time, I look forward to checking out all of the references you have given. Thank you! :0)
I'm curious as to why you never believed in Purgatory, as that is what the Catholic Church teaches. Do you know if there were very many more Catholics that agreed with you?
@Vicki- I never believed God would be that cruel. There were many things I didn't adhere to. I also got tired of hearing how bad I was every Sunday. I converted to Lutheran, Missouri Synod which is Catholiciscm without the man made rules.
I don't blame you for feeling that way. While it's good to keep in mind that we all have a sin nature (to keep ourselves in check), I believe the focus should mainly be on the love of God. “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”
Based on Hebrews 9:27 where it says “just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment...,” to me, that doesn't sound like there would be a group of people waiting around in limbo. As you said, that does seem like it would be rather cruel.
The great thing is, just as God blessed King Solomon with a wise and discerning mind, I truly believe God gives that to all who are honestly seeking truth.
Hey, Vicki! You are sweet to honestly inquire! I converted to Roman Catholicism from a Baptist church in ’99. What did it for me, in no small part, were the apologetics surrounding the doctrines of sola fidei and sola scriptura. Scott Hahn, in his book “Rome Sweet Home”, answers your question far better than I ever could. Even if you don’t eventually agree with his arguments, you will achieve a deeper understanding of why you choose to worship differently. The grace and peace of Our Lord be with you, always!
“The grace and peace of Our Lord be with you, always!” Thank you, Stacy, and also with you!
I appreciate your thoughtful response. I'm very curious; after leaving the Baptist Church and converting to Catholicism, did you have an issue at all with the veneration of Mary? That is my main sticking point. Mary is being held to an equal place of importance alongside Jesus. However, I haven't seen any scriptures indicating that's the case or that we need to ask Mary to intercede for us, but rather to go straight to God with our prayers and supplications.
Romans 8:26 "…but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.”
Romans 8:34 “...Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.”
1st Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”
The bottom line is that it should only be about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and no one else.
Revelation 21:6 "...I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give water to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life, without cost."
I can definitely understand why you feel as you do regarding Mary. I really didn’t have a problem with the idea because she’s the Mother of God and chosen by Him, not only for Himself but ultimately for us. My question is why so many Protestant denominations seem to think about her only at Christmas. This concern naturally comes up in RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults), and I took away from my experience that she is never to be worshipped, that is reserved only for The Blessed Trinity. She always points us to The Son. We do pray to her because we believe in the Communion of Saints. In other words, we believe that communication in prayer with saints is possible (not to be confused with worship) and that they can intercede on our behalf to God in the same way we ask our friends to pray for us. The statues and icons we’re known for, similarly, are comparable to pictures we all keep of those we love and are never to be worshipped.
I think what many Protestants do not know is that Catholicism draws on more than the Bible for insight into the Word of God and that Protestant editions of the Bible do not contain as many books as Catholic versions do. We see the Bible as a sort of textbook; just like our teachers relied on our textbooks as the primary resource of the knowledge they were trying to convey, they also relied on other sources (think of videos, lectures, field trips, etc.). Put another way, we don’t believe that if it’s not in the Bible, it didn’t happen.
But please do know that we agree that the Blessed Trinity is most definitely what it’s all about. Just watch a Mass on YouTube if you’ve never seen one! 🥹 The National Cathedral and the Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter (for us Anglophiles) have some of the most beautiful examples. In our worship of Him, we hold to traditions and hierarchies that Protestants have rejected, that’s all. The combination of physical and spiritual elements is, for me, illustrative, fulfilling, and helpful for focus.
While these things are all important, the most critical element (difference, question), for me, is the Blessed Sacrament. Holy Eucharist, Holy Communion, as it is also known. We believe that it is, ultimately, about the Trinity and so we believe (as Jesus said in John 6 and reiterated at The Last Supper) that the bread and wine consecrated by our priests become the true Body and Blood of Christ and we worship them accordingly. He didn’t hold up the bread that night and say, “this is like my body” or “this is a symbol of my body”. He said, “this is my body”. He knew He was going to lose a lot of people over the idea of eating the flesh of the Son of Man and drinking His blood, but he laid it out just like that.
Anyway, these are just my humble explanations of what I learned and why I converted, I have no wish to persuade or confront. Whatever our differences, I know you are a child of God. 🥰
Thank you for taking the time to give such a thorough explanation as to why you believe what you believe. I'm with you; I also have no interest in confrontation. I am just always curious and like to understand where people are coming from.
I hadn't thought of it before, but you are right; Protestant churches seem to reserve discussion of Mary for Christmas time. Personally, every time I read about Mary, I'm in awe! One of my favorite Bible passages is when she visits her cousin Elizabeth, who is six months pregnant with John, the cousin of Jesus. When Mary entered the house and Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, her baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
As you mentioned, Mary was chosen by God. However, I don't believe that means we're supposed to worship her. She will always be honored among women, but I haven't seen anything to convince me to the contrary that it is God alone we are to worship.
About 18 years ago, I had the opportunity to attend mass several times while visiting friends in Kansas City. I wish my memory were better so that I could recall more of the details. I do remember that, even though it was all a little foreign to me, it was a nice experience.
It is my understanding that the Apocrypha is not generally considered divinely inspired. However, I'm curious now, and perhaps someday, I'll have the time to sit down and read some of those books. While recently going through the thousands of books my parents left behind when they graduated to eternity, I was excited to discover four volumes on the Works of Josephus, which I hope to read someday as well.
I know I will never have all the answers. I'm just grateful every day for God's love. I honestly feel so sad for those who don't believe there is a God. He is the only reason I can get through life's daily challenges.
Philippians 2:1-2 "If then there is any encouragement in Christ, any consolation from love, any sharing in the Spirit, any compassion and sympathy, make my joy complete: be of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind."
Even though there may be some differences in theology, I believe we are of the same mind; it's all about God.
I just want you to know that I appreciate you, and that it's always nice to meet a sister in Christ! ❤
How lovely, Vicki, thank you! It’s people like you who make difference interesting and fun and you are right to point out what we have in common, which is the grace of God and sisterhood in Him.
I love how you look upon your parents’ passing, by the way. That’s really a good way to look at it.
The story of Mary and Elizabeth you note is such a wonderful testament to the power and glory of the Holy Spirit, isn’t it? That even the unborn are touched by Him? That’s so beautiful! I had always appreciated her as the Mother of God but it was her depiction in The Passion of The Christ and that wrenching scene in the Via Dolorosa that really drove home the point for me. I was a fairly new mother (and fairly new Catholic) at the time and watching his suffering from her perspective brought me to sobs.
Thank you so very kindly for your thoughts! I feel the love of God shining through you in your posts and I am so very grateful. 🥰
The Book of Enoch describes such a place but doesn't call it purgatory. It described a beautiful waiting area and a great trench to another horrible area for us to await judgment day. How can we go straight to heaven before judgement day? IDK
Do you think we go straight to heaven when we die?
The only scripture reference off the top of my head right now is the same as 79SmithW60 above mentioned about the thief on the cross next to Jesus in Luke 23:41-43: "We are punished justly, for we are receiving what our actions deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!” And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
I didn't know Catholics approved it. I read it for the first time a couple years ago. Other denominations did not cannonize it not sure why, but it is referred to by at least 2 people in the Bible.
It sure explained a lot about the giants and how the fallen shared secrets with man.
Hebrews 9:27-28 "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for Him" Maranatha!!
Good one, but isn't that the death of sin we were once slaves to, judgement and spiritual death saved by Jesus' sacrifice?
I think the verse was referring to that because once we are saved, we have eternal life. Before Hebrews 9:27,28, Vs. 25,26 was talking about how Jesus paid the price for all sin so it seems to refer to the death of sin and "after that comes judgement" does not clarify 'right after' OR just the next step OR because Jesus bore the sins. IMO, it will be revealed later.
Could we be judged spiritually then, and forgiven, sins wipes clean? Since Jesus returns the 2nd time He will not deal with sin but save us all then? Are we all, dead and living, awaiting for Him? It does say the dead will rise...
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Isaiah 26:19
19 Your dead shall live; their bodies shall rise.
You who dwell in the dust, awake and sing for joy!
For your dew is a dew of light,
and the earth will give birth to the dead.
John 4:13-15
13 Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” 15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water, so that I will not be thirsty or have to come here to draw water.”
He had to have known what the trans agenda was about - there's no way he did not, it being such a big issue. The trans agenda pushes child mutilation, both with surgeries and puberty blockers, which sterilize and also mutilate.
You are very gracious to remind us that ol’ Frank doesn’t deserve our complete and total rejection. God will judge us by the mercy we show others and so He will have mercy on you. 🥰
That's an important distinction, to be sure. Still, the sin of it was not condemned, and he was supportive of the LGBTQ "community" overall, from what I read.
Maybe you and the Pope had different concepts of that particular sin. When I was converting, I learned that homosexual inclinations are not, in themselves, sinful (although I think many of us consider anyone susceptible to those desires to be homosexual. I see a distinction). After all, Our Lord was torturously tempted in every possible way during the 40-day wilderness stint we Catholics now observe as Lent. *Every* way possible. I was taught that the sin lies in embracing those inclinations and acting upon them.
I understand the same. That doesn't mean you elevate the sin as something you put your support behind. How about supporting murderers? Is that next? I mean, they can't help it.
Of course not, but if most of the world operates under the assumption that it’s the attraction to one’s own sex that makes the homosexual, then it seems likely to me that he would want to be seen as “supportive”. A big part of his job was to win souls for Christ. I’m just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because I sure as shootin’ know I need it. We all do.
Ok, so I agree that it's probably too late to repent and/or pray for mercy for ourselves once we're "done"...
But I don't believe prayers on behalf of others are ever wasted... In fact I think we are obligated to do so as part of "do unto others..." and "Love each other as I have loved you".
Our omniscient and omnipresent God is not bound by time or circumstance...
And, again, my wife had interesting things to say about this based on her own experience:
Thank you for posting and tell your wife I appreciate her writing very much please. Your wife's 5th page resonated with me the most. I am not afraid to tell my family or friends or others for that matter what I "see" and I do not remain quiet. Jesus has spoken to me directly 3 times saving me twice from a bad fate and once to help me find a cause to a most grievous incident. I have had 2 faith healings, believe in UFOs and Santa Claus (I actually saw him when I was a child and it was not my father). No one believes I saw Santa unfortunately. My dearest dog came to visit me 7 times after her passing, each time the same presentation. There is more than meets the eye and that is just fine with me!
Of course, the 5th page of her handwriting (I was confusing pages with tabs)! In fact I only came across that writing in a sketchbook a couple of months ago since I'd originally put it with her other sketchbooks!
Yes! Pray for the living. Too late for the dead. Their position is settled. That’s why God pleads with sinners to receive forgiveness NOW! A Mac truck might be in your future tomorrow. Ooops!
I don't know about that. I still pray for those I love who died, if nothing else, just as a connection. But we don't know that it doesn't help. Our appeals to God mean something, according to scripture.
The church militant and Church Triumphant are connected by love. Our prayers for God's mercy on our beloved ones are efficacious..therefore: masses for the dead, ritual memorial services for the dead, etc are a major part of our Churches. (RC and EO).
The Bible does not explicitly command believers to pray for the dead, but there are passages that some traditions interpret as supporting the practice.
One of the most cited verses is 2 Maccabees 12:44-46, which describes prayers and sacrifices offered for the dead so they may be freed from sin. However, this book is part of the Deuterocanonical/Apocryphal texts, recognized in Catholic and Orthodox traditions but not included in the Protestant canon.
In the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 speaks of a purification process where a person's works are tested by fire, which some theologians link to the idea of praying for souls undergoing purification. However, other passages, such as Hebrews 9:27 ("Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment"), emphasize the finality of one's fate after death.
Some Protestant interpretations argue that there is no biblical precedent for praying for the dead, as salvation is determined in one's lifetime. Others, particularly within Catholicism, see scriptural hints that support intercessory prayers for those who have passed.
A Catholic friend said this pope “was a good bridge toward bringing the church into more modern thinking.” I did not care enough to ask for examples of what she meant.
His toxic jab policy killed many, including himself.
The pope nor tradition have any authority. Only the Bible. It is hard for many to leave Mother Church. Pride does not want to admit being wrong and Catholics refuse to believe the true gospel of grace alone and not of works because if it is true then all their loved ones missed the boat. That is too hard to accept so then - denial.
I converted *to* “Mother Church”, as you put it because I saw what you describe as “the true gospel” shot down. I wonder if you didn’t mean “faith alone”. After all, if there’s no grace, any question or belief in what gets us to eternal life in God is rendered moot because all have fallen short.
Jorge Bergolio had charges brought against him by the Mother’s of the missing in Argentina.
Definitely he was charged with the dead of the seminarist and many others who were hiding from the military government and did trust the Catholic Church that he was running, only to be killed.
The story was that many of the victims were thrown out of planes in the middle of the ocean to never return or leave a trace.
He was Argentinian and as a pope, he always promised to return to the homeland, but never did.
Operation Gladio was in full swing at that time and the CIA was running that hand in hand with the Vatican and the American Italian mafia.
Israel is brewing their own satanic history... mass-murder... you might call Gaza an extermination camp...
Most do not know that the jew's "holocaust" was a craven myth/hoax/con-job... they cry about Nazi mass-murder... which turns out to be a stone lie... while mass-murdering women and kids in a long-planned genocide...
It sort of makes sense now why so many people radically supported the shots to a psychotic degree. If Catholic, they were led to believe everything the Pope said and it was interwoven with their uncompromising faith.
EDIT: from the replies I think my comment is being misunderstood. There are a lot of Catholics that DO wholeheartedly cling to anything the Pope says in a reverent way and don’t use discernment. I was just commenting that this fact had never occurred to me before and how it made so many people blindly cling to their pro-vax stance with such intensity given what the Pope was saying/doing/teaching. That was the only point of my comment, not to paint Catholics as a whole in some negative light.
Our faith, whether Catholic or Protestant, IS an uncompromising faith. God’s word overrides any words man may utter and is the final say in anything. But if any of us lift up a teacher with the reverence that Jesus himself deserves, then their guidance can easily slip into uncompromising territory. This is true of Protestant faiths too, as they also have been known to cling to their pastors/teachers in a reverent way. No - not all of them, but many.
My apologies if I offended any Catholics here. You misunderstood where I was coming from in my desire to make a “short” post.
Very few, if any, Catholics of "uncompromising faith (of which there are many)" paid any attention to what Pope Francis had to say, least of all in connection with the affairs of this world, where he was almost without exception, a shill for the ideological fetishes of the globalist, secular elite.
In fact, a lot of Catholics believed that Francis was not a "legitimate pope" since Pope Benedict never resigned as Pope (which had never happened before, I believe) but had essentially recused himself from the day-to-day activities, as I understand it...
Pleaser correct me if I've misspoken or misunderstood...!
I count eight resignations in history. Link is to a list of popes through current. In the column for the date of the end of the papacy, the date if followed by a # indicates resignation.
Actually, after talking with my son yesterday, I recalled my wife's primary reason for not accepting Francis as a legitimate pope was more fundamental than whether Benedict had really resigned or not:
The Jesuit Order was founded on - what made them distinct from the many other Catholic orders - a principal rule, simply "to serve the Pope" with loyalty and obedience. And hence, a Jesuit could never ever BE a Pope, because it would be a contradiction of their Rule, their Order, their whole raison d'être!
In essence, a Jesuit Pope would be committed to "serving himself"... a cruel joke, and most definitely NOT a part of the papal job description!
In fact, Malachi Martin, author of "The Jesuits: The Society of Jesus and the Betrayal of the Roman Catholic Church" and concluded that they had essentially lost their way, seduced by Marxism and Liberation Theology.
Your wife was so lovely. Such a luminous one, heart and soul.
Especially precious to me is having read her entry on Solidarity. I've been struggling to understand why I felt compelled four years ago to join the Church, when I had found myself at terrible odds with so many things that were being said from Rome. It was almost as if I felt that the Church needed people to come at that time, as I needed to come to it. Solidarity struck me profoundly, given my recent doubts and wonderings. Thanks for pointing the way to this.
I'm going to show it to my husband as well, as he is also much in need of encouragement presently. This is a tremulous time.
@ WilliamD. Very true. As my brother would often say: "The Pope just needs to stay in his lane" (fake manmade climate change, jab pushing, etc). My brother is one of uncompromising faith and is not jabbed, nor am I. I would consider both of us as 'constitutional conservatives' with common sense. He wore out many Rosaries praying for my conversion. Thank the good Lord he did.
The Archbishop of the Archdiocese of San Francisco revealed in a podcast interview with the SF Chronicle (as I recall) that he had not gotten the Covid shot because his doctor had told him that he didn't need it. This was in the middle of Covid mania, but since so many people in the Bay Area are anti-religion and often anti-Catholic, it didn't make much of an impact. I had never cared for the Archbishop very much prior to that, but after his admission, I had to admire him.
I think there must have been quite a lot of pressure from the Vatican (after all, the Pope required the Swiss Guard to take the vax) because at some point I saw a photograph of the Archbishop on a Catholic website where he was promoting the vax. That was some time before the podcast came out.
Catholics are not the ignorant peasants of the Middle Ages anymore. Truly faithful Catholics use the gift of discernment and realized the ungodly character of Francis early on.
Modern cafeteria-Catholics never had any intention of paying heed to what a pope said anyway, except as it already aligned with their ideologies.
I've considered myself a cafeteria-catholic for decades. Born, raised and married in the Catholic church but was turned off one too many times. I found my way back to religion, but don't feel the need to participate in an organized service. My faith is between me and God.
That's not faith.... What would have happened if we were all as such? My hubby used to say his faith was "a private matter..." No one comes to faith in a private manner. If it's private between you and God, no one gets to hear the Gospel. We were instructed to go to the ends of the earth with the Good News. Belonging to a church, a community of the faithful, is what helps to keep us grounded. Living apart from what the church does is missing the full story.
It is true…the need to participate - because I always recall at the Last Supper, Jesus said, “Do this in memory of me.” One has to believe there is something required in that command.
You do have a point, though. If we Christians are to further the Kingdom of God in His absence and if He is to act through us, we’re more effective in numbers. We’re also here to strengthen each other. Even the most cloistered, silent monks live and work together.
Humanity's biggest and most atrocious crimes against "other communities, the incredulous savages" have and ARE currently being perpetrated on a global scale in the name of "religion/faith" !!!
Utterly DESPICABLE !!!
Homo sapiens should understand that it is high-time to overcome this kind of destructive "community".
The RCC has about 2k yrs. of vile history: crusades, persecutions, conquistas, witch-hunting and burning, Malleus Maleficarum, fierce opposition to new scientific discoveries (remember Galileo and the new heliocentric, system?) colonialism some time ago (but could be re-ignited at any moment) war-mongering, ALWAYS siding with power and dictators, paedophilia (just google Archdiocese of Chicago is bankrupt due to millions of USD of claims because the horny priests ...) , promotion of LGBT+, clot-shots, etc., etc. in more recent times.
The Pope only mentioned Gaza because an orthodox church was levelled, no talks about Palestinians ...
MILLIONS of human beings with the "wrong faith" have been killed in the name of that religion on a global scale.
I'm not the one making wide generalizations, Klaus. And I've already done enough study concerning the 'religion of peace', that I conclude that much of the accusation of 'atrocity' that has been aimed at Christendom more rightly belongs at the feet of another religion. It is not an atrocity to resist the conquest of a aggressive, tyrannical war ideology disguised as a religion.
LOL - fishstick day! “Cafeteria Catholics” refers to those who stroll through the faith, picking and choosing the parts they like - much like people in a cafeteria line.
But then it became ok to eat meat on Fridays, except during Lent. Instead of 3 hours of fasting before communion it changed to one hour. Bobby-pinning a tissue to my head was considered having my head covered for mass. Then the requirement for head coverings disappeared too. The church etched rules in stone— breaking them was a sin to be confessed to the priest/Father—then sandblasted those arbitrary statutes away. I never understood that.
OMgosh. I read your comment and had a vivid flash of (odor) memory of how our grade school cafeteria smelled on Fridays! That was a looong time ago for this 70something year old.
Absolutely. But this is why now I am more interested in Orthodox, because Catholics can't divorce themselves from increasingly "modern" and "progressive" popes, who just go along with the beliefs of the day, no matter how harmful.
Perplexity just succinctly made the same sentiment I’m trying to in our other thread. We (true) Americans are faithful to our country in the midst of Obamas and Bidens. We may not always agree with everything our Pope says, but we have faith in our Church and, as Perplexity also says, pray for him because he is as human as the rest of us.
Well I don't know if we are supposed to, but in our house we took much of what Pope Frances had to say with a grain of salt. We continue to pray for him.
He “labeled vaccine skepticism “suicidal” —a mortal sin in Catholic theology”. I can’t fathom the cognitive dissonance that is and will no doubt continue to transpire after the government covid website changed to reveal some clear truths. Many Catholics may rage quit this administration, while others will doubt who can be trusted in their faith.
This I doubt... most Catholics understand that the Pope is simply Christ's Vicar on earth, and just as Priests represent Christ in the sacraments, we believe that Christ alone is our Lord and our God, our Savior, and our King forever!
My wife attends Catholic mass every day in a large church. Most people there took the vax, in no small part thanks to Francis. On the other hand, my son is a Catholic Friar in training, his brotherhood publicly came out against the jab coercion, and now the local bishop has just kicked them out of their friary.
Two words for that local bishop and they ain't Happy Birthday. He needs a enema doused with Holy Water. Your son will find something else that is better!
No Pope, Vicar, Pastor, Priest, Reverend, Bishop etc. has any more closeness to God than any of us. There is no intermediary that can talk to God on your behalf better than yourself. God yearns for each of us to talk to Him individually and confess to him what is on our hearts. Congregations are nice but they are no substitute for your own intimate conversation with your Lord. All IMHO.
I think she is complimenting the absolute devotion that an Orthodox monk puts into his connection with God. Most of us don't achieve that. I certainly don't!
But I could say the same thing about countless Christians I have met over my life and none of them were monks or priests or pastors or bishops or anyone formally trained to lead a flock. It’s not the title or position that grants the devotion, it’s the choice within each of us to live our life that way. We give too much reverence to our spiritual leaders. You shall know them by their fruits, and they may or may not be a leader, and leaders may or may not bear fruit.
Any of us can give absolute devotion in whatever time we do have. I have no doubt God appreciates any and all endeavors and does not watch the clock on that! Thanks RMR!
YES..some literally raise above the ground on prayer or shine with divine light. Others know your soul, others pray for you and a miracle occurs immediately. They give up everything of the world to reach this state of grace, we don't.
As I said, the person who became pope was considered infallible. This was the case for the first 18 years of my life. At some point, that must have changed but I had moved on to a personal relationship with Jesus and did not need a person to be an intermediary between me and my Savior.
I would tend to agree with Peter Mac. We know that the pope is not God. And if we take the time to understand the very limited restrictions on papal infallibility, we understand perfectly that the pope was speaking neither for the church, nor for Christ when he said we had a moral obligation to be vaccinated. It was his personal opinion. I catechize Catholics and had to sent many minds at rest that they were obligated to follow their own informed conscience on whether to vaccinate or not.
Thank you Katrina Mac. Papel infallibility, which I do not think that Pope Francis addressed anything in that manner. I think the last thing was related to our Blessed Mother and her immaculate conception many Popes ago. I may be wrong.
The problem when Popes or presidents or anyone in prominent leadership positions speak, they are always seen in that station that they hold. Talking about so-called manmade 'climate change' has nothing to do with the faith and being the Vicar of Christ. In my opinion, that is where his advisors failed him and always seemed to be walking back what he was talking about. When the Pope speaks everyone sees him speaking 'as the Pope'.
I agree with you. And for this reason, I believe that the pope acted without charity to the entire world. He misused his influence in a very human, and I believe sinful way. Popes are granted the grace of infallibility, but not impeccability. They are able to sin like the rest of us!
What you were thinking of, as far as infallibility goes, is the proclamation of dogma, of which there are only 255. There has been no formal proclamation of a dogma since the proclamation of the Immaculate Conception. However, dogmas are simply a part of broader doctrine, and doctrine does not change, but it grows and develops more deeply in its original direction as the Holy Spirit guides the Church, as promised, into a deepening of understanding of the mystery of God. This is why the church is ready with well- developed and biblically-based teachings as new bio-ethical concerns crop up. So while Francis did not proclaim a dogma, he did do work that advanced our doctrinal heritage and understanding, though not nearly as much as previous popes. He contributed to understanding of the incredible error of gender ideology, as well as other similar things like surrogacy, and yes, even marriage between a man and woman.
Which he clarified as the only basis for marriage, to be clear. There seems to be some confusion about this, but Francis upheld the biblical teaching on man and woman.
Thank you Katrina, you put into words what I could not. :) I have only been a practicing Catholic for 11 years (came into the Church at the Easter Vigil in 2014) so I know that I have a lot to learn, and we can study all our lives and never learn everything about our faith!
Who grants a Pope the grace of infallibility? He is NO different than any of us with the exception of learning all things Catholic. I call foul on that one for sure. Boo Hiss.
I'll take a stab at that one Lori. The unbroken line of succession of Popes from Jesus, to St. Peter (when Jesus gives him the keys to the kingdom and told him that whatever you bind on earth with be bound on earth and whatever he loose on earth will be loosed in heaven, to paraphrase the Gospel of Matthew) to Francis, so that grace of infallibility would come from the Lord Himself through the Holy Spirit.
That is okay, no worries, Lori, but it is not up to us or what we want. It is God's plan. And Christ gave leadership of the kingdom to St. Peter, not others, and only those in the line of succession (good and bad ones) were chosen to sit in the Chair of Saint Peter to lead Jesus' Church on Earth.
Infallibility has to do with the proclamation of Dogma of the Christian faith, as Katrina explained above.
Appreciate you 79Smith, but how do you determine who is in the line of succession from Peter? By a conclave of men? I have not heard this but I am not Catholic. Are you explaining this from a Catholic viewpoint? Thank so much. No worries if you have no time to explain as I ask a lot of ?s, lol! Have a great week:}
Of course many are like you, but the fact that you had to set many anxious minds at ease speaks to my point. Those minds were anxious because of their unwavering belief in the Pope conflicting with something else inside them. Thank God for those like you who helped so many, but just as many did not have that guidance in their life and their uneasy minds led them to the vaccine. There are more Catholics in my community than any other religion (about 80%) and everyone I know got the vaccine and ridiculed and shamed anyone that didn’t. They trust their leadership and their leadership in their parishes take their cues from the Pope. They would never be caught criticizing anything the pope says and they have a reverence for him that exceeds anything I’ve ever witnessed. It’s wonderful to hear that there are astute and discerning believers among you, I just hadn’t met one myself in all these years. Even my own MIL went to great lengths to justify and reconcile anything the Pope did or said that was wrong, to the point of ignoring God’s own words in deference to the Pope. (Note I’m a Protestant and I have just as many criticisms of the various Protestant denominations and how they have secularized their churches and doctrine, and also promoted the vaccine. It’s appalling. So I mean no disrespect to Catholics alone, I was only pointing out something that suddenly made sense to me.)
I hear all that you have to say Juju. I’m extremely surprised to hear that all the Catholics you know vaccinated. I don’t know very many who did. I am wondering if you live in a more liberal area, and if this is more of a reflection of The community rather than the church? We had attended a church Ins very liberal town that had more liberal members and many of them vaccinated. We moved during Covid to a more conservative church where people conceal carry and don’t weren’t masking, and we heard no more from parishioners about vaccines. Incidentally, people at this church for more apt to receive the Eucharist on their knees and displayed much greater reverence and deeper faith in God. They weren’t looking for a temporal solution I actually received a call to start teaching during Covid, and one of the classes I thought was on papal infallibility, and the limits of it, precisely to answer the confusion around the vaccine thing. But you are right, the fact that I had to do it at all is really telling. I have a more full original post on here where I talk about I how Francis did not uphold the very Catholic concept of freedom of conscience God rest his soul, he was too much of a Marxist.
Yes!!! It’s a VERY liberal area, probably the extreme. It’s been this way my entire life and I’m turning 60 this year. It is so good to hear this is not reflective of all Catholics. And I suspect that is also why so many Protestant churches in my area caved to secularism.
I can’t wait to relocate to a red area. It will feel like being released from prison no doubt.
I thought that might be the case, Juju! Orthodox Catholics are very independent thinkers. We tend to homeschool, confront civil authorities when they're in the wrong, and generally make ourselves a pain in the butt. We are the ones getting arrested in front of abortion mills, and kicked out of school board meetings. We know we're saved by Christ, and not by his messengers or priests, and we know that gives us, as I'm sure it gives you, a profound sense of our own freedom in Him! But Catholic or Protestant, it's time for us all to be utterly FEARLESS in Him.
Katrina, I don't know of any fellow Catholics that got jabbed because Pope Francis said to, unless they just did and never talked about it. Many did it because they thought they were doing their "civic duty", and to help protect others... I know far more that didn't get jabbed because they followed the 'science' and that having that communist totalitarian gnome Fauci and Brandon telling everyone to get jabbed was reason enough NOT to get jabbed.
We studied the mRNA technology info that was out there before they rolled out the jabs and decided, not just no, h#ll no...
I'd agree with this. I knew one Deacon who was pushing for the vaccines because Pope Francis said so. I was respectful and kept my anger under control, and just said, "Well, good thing this isn't an area in which he is infallible. Thank goodness we all ultimately have the moral obligation to follow our individual informed consciences. This is not an area in which he has moral authority" He wasn't a very discerning person, though well-meant.
Lots of harm was done by most high profile religious leaders, from the Pope as Jeff lays out to Franklin Graham & the head of the Mormon Church. Not sure if money was involved, but could have been in the form of governmental threats to their 501 (c) 3 status. Unfortunately that threat is a useful government tool of coercion. My non denominational Christian Church left the decision to the individual- which I appreciated.
I saw a government document that clearly stated they were using religious leaders to push the vaccination, so the government definitely contacted every religious leader of any consequence.
Ridiculed the non jabbed just like lepers were chastised in Jesus's time yet He received them and taught his disciples to do likewise. In religion, many lose common sense and get caught up with middlemen like the Pope or Bishops or Pastors etc. Best to go right to the Holy Source yourself IMHO.
Your conscience is indeed your ultimate arbiter, and you have a duty to do your very best to keep it well-informed and to always seek the truth...
Not to mention the necessity of praying for help every step of the way...
BTW, My wife, born "Kathleen" spent her whole life painting, but for her best work she chose to use the name "Catarina Mac", so all forms of Kat/Cat have a special appeal to me!
When the pope speaks to the public, it is never his personal opinion, as Christ's representative on earth. Or if he thinks he can, and it does not gel with the tenets of the Catholic faith or scripture, he is being incredibly irresponsible, at best.
What he did by telling millions of Catholics to poison themselves is horrific. Is it any better than what Jim Jones did?
Well, yes and no. He is certainly capable of speaking his own opinion of things - the grace if infallibility doesn’t prevent that. He’s still his own person, with his own free will. But yes, he has a profound responsibility to lead carefully and lovingly, even in his glancing statements. I would agree with you that his words and insistence on vaccination were beyond irresponsible. I would say it was a scandal, and deeply harmful. As a man, he is able to sin or mislead in this way - his position doesn’t prevent him from doing that. It’s like when a priest, or pastor, or Rabbi sins against children - at the end of they day they’re still all just sinful men, but we know instinctively that they bear a greater burden, like we hear of in Romans, to do better than the rest of us.
What we Catholics can do is go back to Scripture, to search our hearts, and to hew closely to the consistent teaching of the Church over 2000 years, to find our ballast if we have a capricious leader whose words confuse us. The answers were all there, but many don’t know how to find them. Francis has not changed church teaching in any way, but he has truly hurt the confidence of the faithful, and that is a very, very serious pastoral failure.
Juju, who can we really trust but God and some family members and some long time friends and your pets. The circle is quite small. If the Catholics want to rage quit when hearing the truths of the the Covid crimes, then so be it. Some cannot handle the truth. Did I just sound like Jack Nicholson!
If they “rage quit” with just the knowledge of covid, then they truly don’t know their Catholic faith. The foundations are so much deeper than earthly corruptions…
The pope is not the Catholic Church, Christ and the Eucharist IS the Catholic Church and that is forever unchangeable and not capable of corruption. We’ve had bad popes in the past, some worse than Pope Francis, and the Catholic Church has endured for 2000+ years. This is just another bump in the road…
Imagine when the AntiChrist comes Juju, he is supposed to unite the world but I will be running the other way bc not even Jesus united the world so that will be a sign I pay close attention to. This is assuming I will still be alive at that time.
Jesus came not just to save us but be an example and warn us.
Matthew 10:34-36 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
I found this verse interesting in the same chapter... Jesus said a lot about children but imagine what vaccines do to them, and read this verse.
42 And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.”
This gripped me and I need time to revisit this chapter 10.
My husband’s father has been unloving towards him and basically showed no interest in having a relationship with us or our kids our entire marriage, robbing my husband of a fathers love and my kids of a grandfather’s love. He had an affair for 32 years that broke his mother’s heart as she had to live through it all those years because he wouldn’t divorce her. When she passed away he literally married his mistress the very next week - and she was a viper and home wrecker in every sense. His father passed away a week ago and neither she nor his brothers called to let us know. We found out when a cousin texted condolences. On Sunday the mistress texted “your father passed away” without knowing we already knew. My husband was not cruel, but he did not let her get away with what she proceeded to do: make him feel guilty choosing me over his dad. His entire family has hated us our entire marriage because our faith in God and Jesus changed how we lived our lives, and just our mere presence without speaking was too much of a threat to their sinful lives. They made us the enemy.
That’s the “man against his father”.
Our daughter was captured by the LGBTQ+abcxyz movement a decade ago when she went to Minneapolis for college, and has been estranged from us ever since despite my efforts to reconcile our relationship. Two years ago I had to finally let go because of how cruel she became and the pain was too great for us to bear on a recurring basis. To this day she makes false claims about me and her father to anyone that will listen, and now fully believes her own hate and lies. The family of course embraced and affirmed her hate for her mother because they knew it would tear me to pieces. If they truly loved her, they would have helped facilitate reconciliation because they would have known the importance of a relationship with her parents to her having a happy and secure life. But the mistress of my FIL never had children of her own and only understood how to live a life selfishly, so my daughter was not in safe hands.
That’s the “daughter against her mother.”
I loved my MIL, but because of the hate the family had towards me and our faith, (just plain Bible Christian,) she constantly opposed our church - despite the fact that my husband was the only son of her four that embraced Jesus, attended church regularly, and lived his life the best he could according to God’s word. But in her old German Catholic mind it wasn’t enough, and if you weren’t Catholic you were going to hell period. I tried so hard to show her love in spite of her disapproval of me and our faith, but she made it difficult by remaining cold and keeping me at arms length all those years. Of course it was fueled and fed by the rest of the family so I don’t fully blame her.
Still, that’s the “daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law”
That’s 3 for 3 in our life today in regards to this verse. There must be relief in these verses for the pain I live with every single day I wake up.
Wow Juju. Among many other issues at hand you go through the wringer daily. I commend you for standing strong and choosing Jesus first, in the midst of the painful day to day. In my younger days I didn’t understand those verses. When life unfolds, they make perfect sense. Peace to you and your family.
"3 for 3", yikes 🤯 and my condolences (and prayers)...
As I continue to read through my wife's journals (started when she was 13), I fully understand how that kind of emotional pain never really leaves... as she used to say, "we can forgive, but we can't forget".
Of course, we're supposed to do the former, but the latter is impossible in this life...
Yes the emotional pain impacts daily life. I look back and see just how much my MIL’s heart was shattered and it showed in the condition of her home. A woman’s home is a reflection of her soul. She kept it clean, but so many loving ideas of improvement to her spaces sat half-finished because they were not one-person projects but rather family-projects requiring many hands. Memories piled in the corners collecting dust with no one there to find joy in them or wanting to peruse them.
And here I sit today in that EXACT same kind of household with the same tomb-like existence. I had hopes and dreams and plans for our family that came to a screeching halt. And memories are collecting dust in the corner with no one wanting to celebrate them to make more. Projects for the enjoyment of our home lay unfinished and decaying as there is no one here to encourage and help me much less appreciate them. The pain and depression impacts it all as well as every family member. I knew my MIL was in pain, but I never understood how she could let her home become a tomb until it happened to me. I wish I had understood more, maybe I could have gotten past her blockade towards me in order to help her finish one of those projects. The depression due to their father’s sinful choices definitely seeped into all of her children’s lives, which is why none of them had the motivation to help her beyond cleaning. It’s the same in our home now. Not only did my FIL break his wife’s heart, he broke the hearts of his kids and grandkids too.
I’m going to enjoy reading your wife’s journals. Thanks for posting them.
As I do myself, since these are all new to me as well!
Of course we talked about everything, but she made it clear her journals/diaries were private and I respected that... but she also made sure I knew where to find them.
I've cataloged almost two dozen so far, some spanning just a few days, others years, and what I'm putting online is just excerpts in most cases.At the same time, I've been cataloging her artwork as well and putting it online.
Aw Juju. May you have peace, and may your prayers for your family happiness be answered. Keep turning the other cheek, you may be pleasantly surprised what the Good Lord can do to foment change.
James 1 said to consider the testing of our faith as joy so we can be complete with understanding lacking nothing.
We don't get things until we suffer and it becomes clear, so we feel pain but also more joy.
As we get older we become wiser especially if we seek Jesus. Others get blinded by God while others get wisdom as revealed in scripture.
Speak life about these things that they, especially your daughter, will be given the Holy Spirit to understand and seek God. It may not be soon, but God's timing. They may have to learn some lessons first.
And I hesitate to post this because it's very personal to me, but I feel called to witness...
My wife had a special relationship with Jesus (as I believe, in fact, all believers do), but in her case she recorded details in her hand-written Journals, and which I've been transcribing here, if anyone is curious:
Catarina is terrific to pen this to paper and then you share her experience. Even more thanks for sharing as she has also had an experience speaking with Jesus as I did 3 times.
So beautiful, thank you for sharing. The thought of accepting like a child, happy yet able to be corrected because they feel safe and loved ( at least that’s what it spoke of to me) is perfect.
I often wonder if the Anti-Christ will actually be AI. When it evolves enough that people will trust wholeheartedly its answers and defer to it for accuracy and evidence, and doggedly support it in every way. Basically worshipping it. Will the real Anti-Christ co-opt the AI itself once it has weaved its way irreversibly into our lives? Or maybe the strange “we just don’t know how it works” (quantum computing and processing and the results of the AI,) is really a sign that it’s a doorway for something evil lurking there, biding its time.
I know that sounds like a voo-doo philosophy or something, but it IS strange how eerily the AI presents its logic and reasoning beyond anything it was programmed to do. The speed doesn’t surprise me, the articulation and reasoning does. It has taken on a life of its own and these are the days in the beginning where it promotes and supports “goodness” for a while, before it changes.
Gosh, Juju, you may be right. Had not thought about that before. Wholy Smokes! That would certainly be the only way the "whole world" would love him! The AI would appear as each region would want him to appear as if it was AI. I am SO thankful we will be safely taken out of here before we find out! Thank You Jesus!!!
Absolutely. I was raised Catholic and indoctrinated into the belief that a man in a costume could sit in a dark box, hear my sins and forgive them. And that that man got his orders and powers from another man in a costume in Rome. And that the man in Rome was infallible. Fortunately at the age of 18, I saw the cracks in the scheme and watched over the years as the cracks became chasms. If the general public ever learns the truth about Francis and his role in the destruction of mankind, the RCC will implode.
Well, it's been said that "The gates of hell swing on Vatican hinges" on the other hand there's Matthew's "upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it" or words to that effect...
Here's a wonderful non-denominational site that I find useful and thought-provoking, e.g.:
True. Although I have uncompromising faith (Protestant now) as a Christian and no pastor, church head, pope could have EVER enticed me to get that shot.
Yes I think you are correct. It wasn’t the proper word. I couldn’t come up with the word that means excessively reverent to a blind degree. Even devoted or devout alone isn’t the correct word.
No. Those imply an inward focus, like having a self righteousness about it. I’m thinking of people who have an outward focus of servitude and devotion, but to a degree that they would literally kill themselves before ever turning away. That’s the kind of devotion I have to my Father God. I would never compromise or forsake on my belief in Him or His Word. But I will not have that level of reverence for a mere man or woman. I’ve met people who mistakenly place a spiritual leader in that same kind of position in their minds and hearts and therefore their lives.
You are right. There were many Catholics who got the shot because they listened to the Pope. One being a new Mother to her ? 7th child. She had recently given birth and went & got the shot. Within a couple days, she suffered from a massive stroke & died leaving behind her 7 children and her husband. She had a moral obligation to her children not to go out and get the shot to prevent giving Co vid to Granny. So upsetting.
Yeah, I cried pretty hard reading Jeff's post today. Not because I had any affection for Francis, but because as a lifelong cradle Catholic I've watched the destruction of the Catholic Church from within, begun centuries ago, but accelerated by Marxist infiltration and finally through the St Galen Mafia. The poison cherry on top was Francis shockingly telling us that it was a moral duty to get jabbed, when it's really our God given conscience that needed to be our guide. The pope is not God, he is not infallible much to the misinformed public and our poor catechesis. Countless good priests pushed back, were canceled by the Vatican and are now relegated to online ministries, virtually stripped of all their sacramental duties, not allowed to say Mass publicly or administer the sacraments that are the life blood of the church (See Fr James Parker our family priest of 25 years and a truly holy guy https://youtu.be/g10oSGKHKwM?si=CbtUraE84qov_oAb )
But the evils-in-charge got what they wanted- rage quitting of faithful Catholics and lukewarm adherence by cafeteria "Creasters" who no longer believe the Eucharist is the true body and blood of Christ as He told us it was in His own words, during the Passover supper. Only 20% of Catholics actually believe anymore and it's the *only* thing that delineates us from the 40,000 other denominations that believe it's just a symbol. The evils-in-charge know the power of the Eucharist and are Hell bent on convincing us it's just a myth.
These evil clergy didn't bank on losing so much funding though, so I have to laugh because the lukewarm attendees who only go to Mass a couple times a year rarely put more than a single dollar in the collection basket. I'm in utter disbelief that it's taken this long to expose the grift of Catholic charities and its USAID felonious scam with OUR OWN TAX DOLLARS - I've known it for 40 years and haven't given them a single cent.
It gets tiring getting beat up as a practicing Catholic, the only faith where it's "morally" acceptable to slander, even by (especially by) other Christians. I believe Jeff also left the Catholic Church behind, and I get it it, but on the flip side the thousands and thousands of people coming into the church in recent years gives me a lot of hope (40,000 in France just this Easter vigil and the number of Muslims having full on Jesus conversion dreams is staggering). There are countless Protestant clergy coming into the church well and miracles abound (see the miracle conversion story of Jordan Peterson's wife Tammy and healing of her terminal illness).
And while I stopped pushing back years ago on the attacks thrown my way (I mean there's no point, just wasted breath), I sometimes ask that if you believe us to be so evil, why is it that anyone who is going through immense spiritual attacks personally or in their homes(ie haunted house etc), why do you go get a priest? How come you don't get the staff down at Ginger Creek Community Church to come out and do the exorcism? There's usually no answer but in the rare occasion they continue with the "you're evil" narrative I refer them Matthew 12:22-32
Amazing thoughts, Verve, but that’s nothing new from you. I think we find ourselves as we did during the Obiden administrations: We keep the faith and take the wins when we can get them. I do appreciate Francis’s efforts at outreach but wonder what it might have cost the Church. I’m praying with you!
Let’s not forget that the Protestant’s Pope, Billy Graham’s son, Franklin Graham, also hawked the jabs and claimed that even Jesus would take the shot. THAT tells you everything you need to know about the collusion of world leaders to push “population control.” And of course, they have plausible deniability because they are “religious leaders.” But even worse, it tells you that the world’s religious leaders don’t have the faintest idea (or maybe they do) of who Jesus is. He is the Second Adam, only the second human being in all of history to walk the Earth with 100% divine, uncorrupted, YHWH-sourced DNA. Trust me, Jesus’ lips NEVER TOUCHED a single unclean food, because He was the embodiment of the Torah of YHWH. There is no chance in heaven or hell that Jesus would ever allow himself to be injected with DNA remnants from an aborted infant or the unclean kidney cells of monkeys or dogs.
Humans have free will. It would make no sense to create a race of people who didn’t. The genome of YHWH’s people was corrupted eons ago, which is why a healer named Jesus was sent to save and redeem them. If you don’t believe Jesus existed, was divine, or was raised from the dead, that’s the myth YOU’RE free to believe, because that’s YOUR free will. But the historical facts and the faith of the billions of Believers who have lived since the time of Jesus have already proven you wrong. Why don’t you jump on board, Dude? Jesus could only change your life for the better, make you a new person with so much love in your heart for your fellow humans that you wouldn’t know what to do with it! ❤️✝️🙏🏻
Flat - I always find it interesting that accounts like dude take the time to insert themselves with these attacks. They aren't doing it out of love, or concern for their fellow man. Listen to how angry dude is. They are rage-baiting and part of the nefarious we have to deal with on the daily - whether they realize what they are doing or not. dude doesn't fit the profile of someone who would be part of C&C. For all we know he probs is working at some bot farm in Croatia or is being paid by Soros, oops I mean by our tax dollars through Soros and USAID, simply to try to demoralize us. Well, good luck with that - there's not a thing that guy can say that would affect me more than the crap we've all had to go through the past 5 years --since our own tax dollars were used against us to purposely release a bioweapon for the global elite's "population control." Perhaps dude is coming from a real account and is a very angry person taking it out on people like a drive-by shooting. Either way, I've found that the very basic idea of free will is usually lost on most who are not Christian. Now, I actually get to end this comment with GOD BLESS YOU! How refreshing... I just love the C&C Fam. :)
Hi Verve, thanks for your comment and insight. I feel bad for the Dude, if indeed he is real and not a mercenary or bot or AI creation. He seems to be on the same road Saul/Paul was on before he was confronted by the resurrected Christ, although in Saul’s case, he was a bonafide murdering terrorist and not just a hateful reprobate.
It’s impossible for people like that to understand the work of Christ, because their hearts are so hardened. They don’t understand why God allows this or that, but they might if they read and tried to understand the Bible, especially as it relates to Paul.
God allowed Saul to persecute and murder Christians for some very distinct reasons. First, to display the perfect and limitless patience and mercy of Christ. And second, to give hope to those who might think there is no hope for them. “I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost (worst sinner), Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.” (1 Timothy 1:16)
And thank you for the blessing! GOD BLESS YOU TOO!
So... Jesus was sent to heal his people's... corrupted genome?
Kudos! First time I have heard THAT one! :-D
The number of people that believe in Jesus proves nothing... obviously, as Christians represent only around a third of world population... a minority... so the two-thirds that do NOT believe in Jesus should prove YOU wrong... according to your own logic... right?
I don't know what the truth really is about creation, "God" or much of anything else... but I am intellectually honest enough to admit it... so I consider myself an agnostic. YOU don't know anything either... but are less honest.
Have you read Biglino/Cattaneo's "The Naked Bible"? You really should. Biglino was a super-qualified translator of ancient texts... enough so as to be hired by the Vatican...
Pope Francis was a Jesuit (read: Communist) from Argentina, who many believe was involved in “the disappearing” of 30,000 Argentinians during the Dirty War in the 1970s. He’s probably reaping his reward even as we speak…
Thank you. I can't believe the level of delusion of some followers! I am a Catholic and I have learned to pretty much ignore the popes, as they have always been incredibly corrupt - by design. History is easy enough to read on this. It's not a mystery!
There's a Franciscan friar who has a website called From Rome. He disapproved both of Pope Francis and the Covid vax. According to him, recently the Pope had started using a lot of cortisone which the brother believes may have given the Pope a heart attack.
Just an aside: Vicar of Christ literally means “in place of Christ.” So, like Jewish rabbis claim THEY are the Torah, the Pope believes that you should listen to him over Christ.
The whole thing was a setup as far as covid goes. Italy made huge headlines early on in the crisis. Hearses and delivery trucks lined up at hospitals to take the covid dead away. It was all over the fake news.
Perfect place, the pope could get his jab directives out to Christians and ‘kind, not mean’ liberals everywhere. Suddenly it became ok to listen to the pope.
I fully trust that what you've laid out about the departed pope is true, so it seems right and just that he was "hoisted on his own pitard"..one less globalist to contend with
Yes, and good summary of his declining health over the last four years. That said, a man at 84 who has only one good lung has already far exceeded his average lifespan. So, I tend not to give much attention to people who die in their 80s who have been jabbed.
Now, people in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, even 60s…
If it was only about his lung I wouldn't give it much thought either but he was ravaged with many other physical issues. He was brainwashed like the millions that were so convinced that they were doing the right thing for all humanity by getting the shot. So sad!
Andrew Cuomo is being referred to the DOJ by, James Comer, chairman of the House Oversight Committee for lying to Congress regarding his COVID response with NY nursing homes. His response led to mass genocide of the elderly, by putting Covid infected patients into Nursing Homes. I pray the DOJ goes after Cuomo with the vengeance that any mass murderer deserves.
If we are talking rumors, I heard his mental capacity is diminishing like our former "president". I can't verify that, and it's only a rumor, but (1) that may keep him from becoming mayor, and (2) that may protect him from any vengeance for his crimes against humanity.
What about Gretchen Whitmer of MI and the cadre of other terrible governors who did the same thing during Covid with nursing homes? That lying witch has her sights set on a presidential run. These people have no humility or shame whatsoever. And the people here in MI just looove her. It’s utterly stomach churning.
So far no disappointment at all, actually to much to handle every day…..for whatever reasons I can’t follow everything that happens every day and my C&C daily doses helps me to catch up.
I think I need a big low firm staff to be able to catch up.
I really don’t know or understand how Jeff can do it, but praise GOD for His blessings of having you all.
Agreed! It’s almost all consuming just to keep up with everything happening and I can’t fathom how Jeff does it either and then how he concises it all down in such a thoughtful way for all of us. It must be God inspired!
I’ve always thought of myself as quite capable but lately sometimes i can barely become productive by midday. 😅
He built internment camps as well, for the ones who refused the jab. Omicron came along, everyone got it, and made it impossible for him to lock us refusers up. Praise to God for that!
I think we may get a surprise on this one. Just look at what happened to Menendez and his wife! Both going to prison. For different reasons than Cuomo, but justice is appearing a little bit here and there.
I don’t believe it was Covid infected patients in nursing homes, I believe it was the flu shots, Covid shots, “treatments” and lack of care in nursing homes because families weren’t able to come in.
My grandmother died in January 2020 and before she died, my aunts complained that they weren’t feeding her… she would only get fed when my aunt went in and fed her.
Your grandma should never have passed under those circumstances, nor anyone's loved ones. They neglected her and pushed jabs into her tender body. The stress on your family and grandma was exceedingly great no doubt. I am truly forlorn about your grandma. Grandmas are beyond special and gifts from God.
I’m ready for the arrests and punishment portion of the program because people won’t stop until there is some punishment and accountability. People need to be publicly held accountable. Next phase now
Thank you so very much, Jeff, for laying out that whole timeline. How frightening. And once again I am conscious of how blessed I am, and my husband as well. And one daughter and her husband. Everyone else we know took the d...d thing.The Presbyterian Church USA was also on the "vax train", on its website advising pastors that they should not help congregational members seeking exemptions.
El Gato Malo's post today concerns the demise of the select academic institutions. Which will be replaced by something new and vibrant (see Palantir's merit program). I suspect that the Church as we've known it will suffer also--as those whom it pushed into taking the jab are/will be departing from this world, and those who didn't succumb to the pressure, disgusted by what the Church supported, walk away from it.
Confessional Lutheran churches did not push the vax. They left it up to individual discretion. (I'm sure the liberal Evangelical Lutheran Church in America--the ELCA--did.) My pastor didn't take the shot himself and wrote many a letter for employees trying to get a religious exemption, including my husband. He even wrote them for some Catholics who came to him for help.
The ELCA churches most definitely pushed the vax, masks, social distancing, while (at least in my church) there were three pastors and up to eight lay people in the church at one time recording services. Public was not allowed. The idiots pushed me back to the Catholic Church where they at least understood the importance of the sacraments and worshipping in person.
The American Episcopal Church really pushed it but, as many people know, they are extremely liberal. At Grace Cathedral in San Francisco, worshipers were not just required to wear a mask, but to have taken the vaccine. Even the Catholic churches didn't go that far.
We couldn't understand why just about all of our highly educated, believing friends fell for the jab pressure. There was no way we were going to take some experimental, never been used before on humans "shot" anyway, but the whole "no jab-no job" tactic was just too "Revelations-no one will be able to buy or sell, save he have the Mark," for us. None of that aspect of the covid madness made sense, until I read Megan Basham's book, "Shepherds for Sale." It was quite eye opening. In it she lists all the religious organizations that took covid money to spread the government's propaganda.
Note: Just about everyone in our circle of church-friends has some new-onset or exacerbated health issue - Parkinson's, trigeminal neuralgia, bone cancer and prostate cancer (although not turbo), changes in epilepsy, ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease, and a few "died suddenlies".
In my circle of church ladies you cannot discuss the vaxx. They change the subject or deflect by saying everyone is entitled to their opinion and should pray. Yep. I remember when I was told my opinion was wrong and not very good. They avoided contact with me because of my unvaxxed status. So a lot of church goers will have to figure out how to deal with taking the vaxx and their behavior during the scamdemic.
The irony for me, is that, having thrice succumbed to unpleasant, and long-lived, shedding experiences, I avoid being with anyone whose vax status I don't know. That means, currently, my husband, one old friend, and daughter and SIL in Ontario. It's a quiet life I lead.
Yes, I regularly read Mid-Western, and particularly appreciate his (and Dr. Kory's) work investigating this business. It was kind of you to send the link in case I was unaware.
Indeed, me too, and I'm fascinated by Kory's history of Chlorine Dioxide and other oxidative therapies, their pioneers and subsequent persecution, scrubbing, suppression, and and at least in some cases, assassinations!
So glad you sent the link, because when I re-read the post I realized I had not read the whole piece back in January—andso missed seeing that one of my own experiences was listed!
I figured it was the government ploy: shut down the churches. Then with offerings no longer coming in, financial stress arrives. Govt comes in with “Nice little 501C3 you’ve got there, pity if…..”, and suddenly a grant arrives in exchange for vax push?Yes, the Revelation prophecy was just too frightening. With Neuralink showing up at the same time. Re folks you know "coming down sick"--my little brother was very recently diagnosed with dementia. He turned 70 just 11 days ago. I know that my two older brothers took it--one stopped at two, the other even went to boosters (but I believe I convinced him to go no further last summer). I assume the youngest one is all jabbed up, haven't received confirmation. Learned last night that my dear friend took jabs and boosters.
There are a lot of highly educated people who fall into the trap of "you have to trust other highly educated/credentialed people". "Trust the Experts" is a _really_ common thing amongst the educated - and I speak as one who definitely fell into that camp. "Get a flu shot" - okay. "Take these pills" - yup. "Global warming is real" - waitaminute... :)
But really - it's not too uncommon for those who are educated to think "these people are also educated, just in a different field - they must know more than me in that field".
I read about a CIA experiment and they used 25 people and the shape of a triangle. They told 23 people to say they saw a square not a triangle, leaving the other 2 out of the loop. After the 23 said square, the two others knew they saw a triangle but went along with the group of 23. CIA Proving that they could get people to not believe what they were actually seeing. Don't seek the solace of the group, critical thinker will alway win out.
Just about every week my little First Baptist Church has another member pass away and our prayer list for members continues to grow. No one gets better.....
Exactly — as the ONLY one in my family (besides my sister) who didn’t do the jab-thing, I find it very peculiar that my FNL has cancer, his brother has blood cancer, SNL’s sisters (both) have cancer, our best friends both have cancer…and the common denominator with each and every one of them…yup, they’re all jabbed multiple times. I could go on and on with examples of peculiar cancers and heart/stroke issues, but I’d wear out my keyboard — so…!
VVV, I have a feeling that in this case you were blessed because you used God’s wonderful gifts of common sense and rational thinking. There were too many things about these jabs and the people surrounding them that just didn’t add up to any good outcome. Brava!
My residual from the covid fiasco continues to be a sadness (and if I’m truthful, also anger and sometimes disgust) at how many people not only willingly got the jabs but were negative towards those of us who did not. I thought I was pretty realistic about how the world worked - at least in Western Civilization - and about human behavior but I was not. I’m still trying to look at this as any new realization helps us along life’s journey. But I feel a burden (disappointment) now I didn’t feel before and I wish I did not.
"I thought I was pretty realistic about how the world worked - at least in Western Civilization - and about human behavior but I was not..."
That is how people felt after WWII, when they discovered the Nazi holocaust, I think.
What was so shocking to the world about that holocaust, it seems, was that it happened in a western, "civilized" country. Everyone knew that more primitive people have engaged in genocidal attacks since pre-literate times. Most believed that humans had reached a better level of civilizational awareness in the 20th century. Not only was the Nazi campaign against Jews (and gypsies, and doubtless there would have been others had they not been stopped) genocidal, but it was done at a modern industrial scale with modern tools.
Evil does not rest in this world. It is a shapeshifter, with an infallible sense for weak points. A better version of civilization won't protect us. The promise Christ brings is that, through faith and devotion, evil need not rule, and we shall be redeemed, again and again if necessary, by a loving God.
Artemis, thank you for such a thoughtful and also beautiful reply.
I’m well acquainted with the horrors of the Holocaust and think I chalked it up to the Teutonic mindset to follow orders. We, as Americans, have always been the independent thinkers, willing to go against established view if it didn’t make sense and unwilling to bow to pressures of a feudal system that didn’t allow for the meritocracy that helped to make our country so great. We have been somewhat ornery culturally but in a good way. So I was astounded at the herd mentality that took over during covid and, for the first time, I could understand how the Holocaust could have happened. Yes, evil seeks weak points and, sadly, there were many.
Reading C&C and others has given me a glimmer of hope that there are more of us willing to fight than I had at first thought. So thank you for the reminder.
"We have been somewhat ornery culturally but in a good way."
Yes. I find myself wondering often these days what happened to the pioneer spirit, the willingness to embrace risk in search of improvements, to think and stand independently, to assume self-reliance, to be uppity (and noisy) towards settled structures, like the old European arrangements, and toward authority.
Maybe nothing has illustrated the changes in thought and attitude in the country better than the covid episode. But maybe it also revived some of those old attitudes too, reminded many of us how important they have been to our well being and strength. Like you, I find it gratifying to see others rising to the occasion, challenging official doctrines, finding each other, seeking alternative paths. I hope that spirit continues to grow.
And appreciative of your using "Brava (a). Sadness indeed, and I pray for them--not nearly as often as I do for Mr. Trump and his chosen administration. Which I try to do daily.
Oh, of course. Having spent a year of college in Italy will do that.
You’re a better person than I am. I pray for Trump and the good people he’s chosen to help him lead and for other people, family and friends. But I can’t say that I spend time on the others. I, sadly, have much room for improvement.
I rejected the idea that a pastor, priest, or pope had any say over my religious convictions. When I was facing requirements for jab or religious exemption, I researched alternative explanations people were using other than fetal tissue research just in case I got pushback. I ended up explaining that as a Christian, I’m forbidden from worshipping false idols, and that the covid jab was being worshipped like an idol.
Ironically, I had privileges at two hospitals. One just asked me to state that I was requesting a religious exemption, and they granted it without further questions. The other, which is a Catholic hospital, asked many invasive questions, and had me list people who would attest to my deeply held beliefs. It also listed bullet point statements like “ I acknowledge that I am putting myself and others at risk…”. I signed of course, but acknowledged that I am signing that the hospital is requiring me to sign these statements, but not agreeing to these statements.
It's PCUSA which is totally liberal. The PCA is conservative. Not conservative enough for me but much better than PCUSA which largely apostate although not all PCUSA are such.
PCUSA is liberal, PCA more conservative, OPC (Orthodox Presbyterian) more conservative and Vanguard Presbyterian more conservative yet. Presbyterian isn’t a doctrine so much as a method of ecclesiastical polity. It means elder ruled. The more conservative Presbyterian denominations abide by the Westminster Standards (catechism).
Exactly — as the ONLY one in my family (besides my sister) who didn’t do the jab-thing, I find it very peculiar that my FNL has cancer, his brother has blood cancer, SNL’s sisters (both) have cancer, our best friends both have cancer…and the common denominator with each and every one of them…yup, they’re all jabbed multiple times. I could go on and on with examples of peculiar cancers and heart/stroke issues, but I’d wear out my keyboard — so…!
Yep! Lots of my healthcare ‘friends’ I will use loosely as many don’t talk with me anymore have had dx of cancers. Autoimmune issues. One rare dx goes to one that was 110% against all vaccines till the Covid vaccine and she got LEM which is so rare. I’ve never in over 20 years seen a case and every time have to look it up. Sad. I’ve heard of so many deaths of healthcare workers that are in their 40’s my age in the last few years. Mostly cancers
Nearly all churches were on the vax FEARmongering train. I noted that they did not trust Jesus when put to the test and trusted 'the Science' instead.
I thought my little church was great, until the pastor told the congregation he got the jab. He never pushed it, but that was permission to get it. They also closed and forced us to wear masks to be considerate to others. I didn't go anymore. It is a struggle I still have. Our bodies are the church and not a building...the Bible says just that.
Why do we need to constantly inject ourselves (God's temple), especially children (Mt. 10:42 And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.”), with toxins containing barbaric cancerous aborted baby cells??? We were conditioned to do it!
Jesus told us and warned us which is why we need to beware of false prophets (children of the devil IMO) strategically placed in positions of power and even a lowly pastor. Test the spirits....
Me too. I don’t even know anymore what Presbyterian doctrine means or stands for other than Woke ideology. I left the Presbyterian church during its love affair with Angela Davis.
Exactly — as the ONLY one in my family (besides my sister) who didn’t do the jab-thing, I find it very peculiar that my FNL has cancer, his brother has blood cancer, SNL’s sisters (both) have cancer, our best friends both have cancer…and the common denominator with each and every one of them…yup, they’re all jabbed multiple times. I could go on and on with examples of peculiar cancers and heart/stroke issues, but I’d wear out my keyboard — so…!
Exactly — as the ONLY one in my family (besides my sister) who didn’t do the jab-thing, I find it very peculiar that my FNL has cancer, his brother has blood cancer, SNL’s sisters (both) have cancer, our best friends both have cancer…and the common denominator with each and every one of them…yup, they’re all jabbed multiple times. I could go on and on with examples of peculiar cancers and heart/stroke issues, but I’d wear out my keyboard — so…!
Thank you, Jeff, for a boldly insightful article, one that goes where 95% of the media will never venture. And you stated truth without offending religious sensibilities.
Back when Pulitzer Prizes were worth something, this kind of writing would have been in the finals for an award. Well done, good and faithful servant!
I was speaking with a Pastor many years ago and he said something that has always stuck with me, "When we get to heaven, we might be surprised who is there with us... and even more surprised by who is *not* there..." No judgement here... we'll just have to wait and see.
Earlier as I scanned post in X I saw a number of quotes attributed to the Pope where he told people there is no Hell, you don't have to believe in God to go to Heaven and a few other similar statements.
He was a leftwing socialist yet people who claim to be conservative flocked to him. Very bizarre behavior if you ask me.
One of the reasons Pope Francis was so hostile toward the United States was because U.S. Catholics are among the most conservative anywhere in the world, and were often vocally opposed to his admonitions and edicts at every turn. If nothing else, he broke conservative Catholics of the fixation some of them have to be overly deferential toward the Popes power and prerogatives. This tendency is called "ultramontanism." The Pope only speaks "ex cathedra" (where he is presumed to speak "infallibly") very, very rarely. The last case was in 1950 when Pope Pius XII proclaimed The Assumption of Mary.
That was close to what Russ Douthat, a Catholic, wrote: "But just by creating that novel form of conflict, in which Catholics who had been accustomed to being on the same side as the Vatican found themselves suddenly crosswise from papal authority, Francis helped to demystify his office’s authority and undermine its most imposing claims.
That’s because the conservatives whose convictions he unsettled were the last believers in the imperial papacy, the custodians of infallibility’s mystique. And by stirring more of them to doubt and disobedience, he kicked away the last major prop supporting a strong papacy and left the office of St. Peter in the same position as most other 21st-century institutions: graced with power but lacking credibility, floated on charisma without underlying legitimacy, with its actions understood in terms of rewards for friends and punishments for enemies."
The Church--the Church Militant, the invisible church, however you want to name it--includes more than those who consider the Pope the Vicar of Christ. It includes all those who believe in Christ as their Savior and trust only in Him for salvation. And yes, the gates of Hell shall not prevail against that Church.
However, it is clear that Christ established not JUST a spiritual Church, but Like Him, the Church is both corporeal (visible) AND spiritual (supernatural...beyond nature).
Catholics also OUGHT to be taught the true role of the papacy. It is important. It *is* to be Christ's presence among us. It is the one who has His keys to the Kingdom (like Joseph was given authority over Egypt...like the role of the steward in Is 22). Catholic catechesis has been quite lacking for decades now. But it's actually starting to return strongly. Look at the 20-somethings....especially men...right now. They're on fire.
But being pope isn't a guarantee of holiness. The pope still also has freewill. And he can use it poorly. Like all of us.
In the US, we still live under a form of clericalism, unfortunately. But those who WANT to know - to learn - it's very easy.
I find that many in the US are too "comfortable" and therefore don't bother looking / seeking / finding.
Did you see the clip of Nancy Pelosi saying the Pope had asked her to pray for him and now she would be praying to him (the Pope not God)? I'm not Catholic so I really cannot relate to praying to a man, dead or alive. And the Pope is referred to as his holiness. Only God is holy. From a protestant perspective, we would understand that both those actions would be offensive to God.
Catholics don’t pray TO a saint or a deceased family member, they ask FOR prayers from the saint or family member they hope is in heaven and can pray to God with them. In no way do they believe the saint or person answers prayers, it’s as if you ask a church member here on earth to pray for you. The only difference is they are in heaven and the church member is still here on earth.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
Thank you for clarifying that you don't pray to the person in heaven. I still do not agree with it so we will have to agree to disagree. But again, thanks for clarifying your position.
For protestants, once the person has passed away, we have no communication with that person until we are also in heaven. It's a foreign concept for us ask someone who has passed way to intercede on our behalf; but we do ask Christians that we know to pray for us just as Paul asked those in the churches he planted to pray for him.(II These.3:1-3; Col. 4:2; Eph. 6:19) I don't see any example of Paul or the other Apostles praying to someone who had passed away.
Philippians is the text that I am currently studying and Paul in Philippians 4:6-7 says we are to make our requests to God. "Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."
And John in I John 5:14 "In the secret, quiet place, this is the confidence we have before Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us."
Asking for intercession from anyone in heaven other than the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit, is completely foreign to us. In the Protestant perspective, they have entered their rest and they have no more communication with this world.
Being taught in adulthood as a Protestant, I'm unaware of a biblical basis for this type of praying. I hope my asking isn't offensive.
No not offensive at all! It just seemed like you wanted to dismiss, but I was trying to understand, which your next response clarified what I’ve always wondered. And this is a clarification question too 😊: with that understanding that those who have gone before us are at their rest and you don’t communicate with them, do you ever feel them with you after death? I’ve definitely felt my loved ones with me after they have died and it’s hard to put into words, but I knew it was them and not God. It’s difficult to believe they aren’t still with us in a different way, a more glorified way.
I have had people share those same sentiments with me. I know that we long for the presence of our loved ones and my own heart aches for my mother who died two years ago. We had spent so much time together over the last 10 years of her life due to her health. Our emotions and feelings are very powerful, but based on Biblical texts, I do not believe they are with us, but rather with the Lord.
I do believe that God wants us to depend on Him alone and that's why throughout the Bible Old and New Testament God proclaims that He will never leave us nor forsake us. Also, based on all of the biblical references to heaven, I believe that God wants us to look forward to reuniting with our loved ones who have gone before us. Paul says in Philippians that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord and he encourages the church by reminding them that our citizenship is in heaven and Jesus Himself tell us that He is going to prepare a place for us.
Paul also says in 2 Corinthians 1 that God will comfort us (3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 4 who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God). I'm thankful for all of the ways God has comforted me over the years through His presence and through the promises given in His Word. 🩷
I'll be in and out today so if I do not reply for a while, please excuse any delay. I'm not ignoring you. 🙂
Yes. Christ also repeats this in in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5:48. Prior to Jesus admonition to be perfect, He preaches the Beattitudes and addresses heart issues. God knew none of us could be holy (Romans 3:23 There is none righteous, no not one) that's why Christ had to come to live a perfect life and die on the cross to be the perfect sacrifice to pay for our sins.As Isaiah 64:6 says, "And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment." I'm so thankful that in Christ I am righteous because I am a new creation and I have His righteousness. Paul repeats this same premise in Philippians 3 7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, 9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11 in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
I Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. 18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
And I thank God that I know that I am a sinner saved by His grace through faith in the atoning work of Christ on the cross and that because He loved me first, I can love Him in return.
I am hoping she just used imprecise language. She could mean that since she believes him to be in heaven, she can ask him for intercession like we do when we ask others here on earth to pray for us.
That's a very foreign thought process for protestants. From Hebrews we learn that Jesus is our great high priest who intercedes for us that that we can boldly go before the throne.
Hebrews 4:14 14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. 16 Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
And in Romans we learn that the Holy Spirit intercedes on our behalf.
Romans 8:26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
In Protestant circles, we do pray for one another and for ourselves because we are told to do so by Scripture throughout the gospel and the epistles; therefore, we see it as God commanding us to pray and we know that He hears our prayers. However, we don't see a call in Scripture or any need to go to or through any imperfect human who may be in heaven when we have access to THE FATHER through His perfect Son, Jesus Christ, and the perfect Holy Spirit.
When Jesus was telling the disciples how to pray He said the following in Matthew: 5:5 “When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. 7 “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. 8 So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9 “Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name...."
Jesus didn't tell the disciples to pray to any person (dead or alive). He told them to pray to their Father in heaven. In Protestant circles, we consider the the Old Testament, New Testament Gospels, Epistles, and Revelation to have authority and we consider them be "God Breathed" 2 Tim 3:16.
Do you never ask others to pray for you or your intentions? That is what Catholics are doing when we ask those we believe to be in heaven to pray "for us." We aren't praying "to them." I know that this is a distinction not always made clear. Since we believe those in heaven are alive in Christ, they can intercede in a special way. That's all we really mean.
I'm very thankful that we all agree that prayer is necessary, helpful and effectual. (James 5:16) But isn't Christ's interceding and the Holy Spirit's interceding sufficient? Are Christ and the Holy Spirit not enough? Who knows man's heart better than God Himself (Jeremiah 17:10)? And who knows the will of God better than God Himself? Is there any reference in the New Testament that shows the need to pray to a person in heaven or instruction to do so? Just curious if there is a Scriptural basis for this. 🤔
I believed that until I saw a Catholic prayer book of prayers to Mary and a few other saints. Mary in particular had characteristics attributed to her that should only be used in reference to God: all-knowing, all-gracious, etc. I've also seen prayers to saints that say that if you say the prayer X number of times and send it to other people, you will get your prayer answered. Although the Book of Revelation says that the saints around the throne pray for us in a general way, there is no example of any of the apostles praying to the dead. It is not the same as asking your living friends or relatives to pray for you. As I mentioned above: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
Well, Mary WAS the ark of the New Covenant, so saying she is "all gracious" (i.e. "full of grace") doesn't strike me as controversial. I can't attest to the "all-knowing" label but perhaps it was speaking about her knowing about the suffering her son would endure. She did, after all, ponder things in her heart.
Do we not believe those who have risen with Christ are alive? Isn't that the point of the resurrection? To have new life in Christ and be with him in Heaven? They are more alive than we are here on earth.
Obviously, prayer to the saints has been the subject of much theological discussion over the years, and these comments can't do justice to our differences. I would just say a few things. God never promised to answer prayers to dead people. In fact, the one example in the Bible (Saul who wanted help from the deceased Samuel) didn't end well. On the other hand, the Bible is absolutely chockful of passages assuring us that God loves us, cares for us, and answers prayer through His Son, just like an earthly father wants to give all good things to his son. Martin Chemnitz, the greatest Lutheran scholar after Martin Luther and a master of the writings of the Early Church Fathers, wrote extensively about this in his Examination of the Council of Trent, Book 3. Among other church fathers, he cites St. Augustine: "More safely and happily I speak to my Jesus than to any one of the spirits of the saints of God." If you are willing to consider a different perspective that is contemporary, watch Dr. Jordan Cooper discussing the invocation of the saints: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxaDcwyjYomyKgFLfb312q9eFdPAcetdA God bless you!
I also found it interesting that when asked about what Communion with the Pope meant to her and she said nothing spiritual. She just sounded like she was pleased to be seen with a famous person. 🤔
Conservative Catholics ‘offered it up’ and prayed to be secure in the knowledge that God is in control, we are not, He knows what he is allowing and why. We looked for some good in our representative leader, and prayed that God’s will be done on how long Pope Francis would be here.
And we ignored his shot recommendations completely because we know he is fallible when it comes to things like science and we are not compelled to follow him in those areas.
Yes. This is a very good point, Meg. The pope speaks infallibly only in very limited situations. He must be speaking either "ex cathedra" (i.e. from the seat of Peter) or in communion with long-standing ordinary magisterial teaching. These declarations are usually found in encyclicals (though not always). Also, infallibility only applies to matters of "faith and morals." He is not seen to be infallible (without error) when speaking about Covid shots, politics, immigration or the economy. He may have opinions and express them, but the faithful are not bound by them.
The churches standpoint on vaccines was the final straw for me. The Catholic Church has completely abandoned its stand on abortion, it’s okay to take the vaccines because the abortions were a long time ago? The church recently claimed ‘ the most vulnerable’ were immigrants and wants us to pressure our legislators to restore their billions of dollars. The church needs the money because so many Catholics have stopped supporting the church because of their stand on pedophilia, and the church uses collections to pay for the sins of the clergy. What a mess. I am Catholic but i am very conflicted about taking moral guidance from these people. As Anthony Stine says- pray for the church.
Look into Sedevacantism/Recusant. Vatican II was a ruptured with the past and a betrayal just as Christ was betrayed. The Church mirrors the life of Christ and is in the tomb awaiting resurrection.
More honest if instead of dressing it all up in a big BullSh-t, Latin-worded Bouquet, he'd just said; " Dear Faithful, Abortions give us Lemons, Vaccines give us Lemonade!"
As a catholic I despised him and had no trouble justifying my rejection of the vaccine as a practicing Catholic as there is longstanding doctrine in the church wherein one may hold values (such as rejection of using aborted fetal tissue) that is more stringent than that held by “the church” and still be a member in good standing. As long as one isn’t using such doctrine to justify actual sin there is very longstanding and well thought out argument available to all Catholics to reject papal decrees such as this evil man made. I’m praying that the cardinals make the right choice in the coming days so that I might actually start going back to church. As it is church is in my heart and deeds.
I hope you go back, too. Go back to the Eucharist. Make Christ, under the guise of bread, your devotion. Ignore the failings of men, even our clerics, and return to the One who sacrificed Himself for you. He is waiting for your and what joy you will know when in His presence.
I find it odd that for centuries the Catholic church forbad any type of birth control pill or such, but then found itself pushing the Covid jabs. Pretty ironic if you ask me!!
Agree, he was no JPII or Benedict. Unfortunately, I’ve heard he stacked the College of Cardinals with like-minded candidates, though. I’m hoping that there are enough that are sympathetic to Archbishop Vig and stayed quiet enough to fly below Francis’s radar. I don’t pretend to know exactly what’s going on, but I can only imagine that ol’ Frankie has some esplaining to do (as Desi said to Lucy) about that excommunicating him.
Many times you have to actually go to the Vatican site to find out what the pope really said. The media skews a lot of what the Catholic Church puts out there. That being said, even there Pope Francis said some questionable things…
Truly, Secular Leftist Media always pushes for salacious and perverted stories on anything Vatican-Catholic-Christian; in their view--it isn't that Satanic Commies and occultists and pedos sought with intention to infiltrate the Church and priesthood, but that some intrinsic Puritanical Inhibition caused priests to abuse kids and then cover it all up to keep it going as long as possible. Same with Denver Archbishop NOT giving the radio Clown KOA "Journalist" Marty Lenz the answers he wanted when discussing the Pope. He kept pushing for answers affirming that Francis was an Intelligent Progressive modern activist liberal who was fighting MAGA-Catholicism in USA.
I saw some of that too. Here's a quote from a 2018 Newsweek article.
"They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear," Pope Francis said, as translated by Catholic blog Rorate Caeli.
Considering the unbelievable contortions of the word of God and his deeds that go well beyond "regular" sins by this Pope, it should not be cold where he is now...
As a Catholic, I didn't tell my employer I was Catholic. But I gave a religious exemption reason and it was accepted. When the Pope came out for it, I was convinced it would not be accepted and started looking for another job. Fortunately, my company was surprisingly reasonable.
Just because we Catholics have a head Bishop and Father of the Church doesn't mean we give up our own discernment.
I still am disgusted that almost NO doctors gave their patients Covid Vaxx certifications WITHOUT giving them the jabs... or giving them saline... if they needed the cert and did not want the jabs.
99.9% of MDs serve Big Pharma, NOT their patients.
Yes, it was risky... but more so than giving an uninformed patient a potentially devastating jab? A question of morality and decency... no?
If the doctors did just a small amount or research on the jabs... they would know like myself and many others that DID... that their were no safety tests done and that gene modification mRNA jabs had been REFUSED approval many times prior... and the number of unknowns was appalling...
And I would think that proving the Doc signed off on a jab cert without actually giving the jab... would be difficult... Oh well... what's done is done.
How odd. I have never known any Catholics who thought any pope was "god". However, i have known a few Protestants who believed their pastor was sinless.
Um no. That’s not what we believe. If someone who happens to be catholic thinks that it is of their own misunderstanding of what the pope is and I’d posit they were not paying much attention in catechism class. I myself was there for the social aspects and usually spent much time goofing off but never came away thinking the pope was god or even that self pleasuring would make you go blind (even though a catechism teacher said that out loud once—to her great regret it turned out based on reactions to the statement at the time).
Perhaps this stems from the idea that the Pope is infallible? I've asked about this because I was/am skeptical of Pope Francis. I think the general response I got to that inquiry is "well, that means this guy isn't really the Pope. There have been false Pope's in Church history."
What was more galling is how some Bishops took the Pope's direction and then prohibited priests from writing letters in support of exemptions. That happened in many places. It is an appalling act of abuse shown toward the sheep by their shepherds. I'm still waiting for a full-throated apology from the church and not some academic musings half-heartedly offered by the likes of Cardinal Timothy Dolan.
As a fellow catholic, I agree, but please let's pray for cardinal dolan. He saved my archdiocese from what seemed like almost-certain schism and I will always be so grateful. I try to remind myself that I don't know all the things he's up against and weighing in his decisions. I pray he is able to grow in holiness and do God's will.
I'm in Milwaukee. Weakland was earmarked by progressives to lead some sort of "American Catholic Church" schism when God stepped in and exposed weakland's scandals and brought in Dolan who was able to steer the dioscese gently and elegantly back from the tip of destruction. Our seminary is phenomenal now and we are healing.
Pope Francis is the reason I no longer call myself a Catholic. My favorite hypocrisy from him was the demand for open borders - well, except for the Vatican.
My prediction - the next pope will be elected on the basis of expanding their "market" into Africa. Money in the US and EU is drying up, they need to replace it.
Yes, I believe the congregants are wising up to the Catholic Leadership which is vastly different than the church. They need innocent new people to obtain their Vatican City wealth.
Just make sure they’re not following the bogus Schofield “Bible” — which so many of the big evangelical churches are. They are responsible for travesties like this below.
See if there's a confessional Lutheran church in your area: https://issuesetc.org/findachurch/. Make sure it's not a congregation of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) which is ultra woke. My husband was Roman Catholic (and attended Catholic school) but converted to Lutheranism and is glad he did. The reformers did not intend to leave the Roman church but only wanted to reform it and take out the accretions and corruption that had accumulated over the first 1500 years. Unfortunately, Martin Luther was branded a heretic, and the rest is history. But Lutheran liturgical services are very similar to Catholic ones, as they took out only those prayers, etc. which contradicted what was in the Bible. Confessional Lutheran churches are also sacramental and believe that the true Body and Blood of Christ are present in the Lord's Supper. They are also very pro-life and did not push the jab.
Most Missouri Synod churches have transitioned to the Lutheran Service Book, which was published about 15 years ago. Some still use The Lutheran Hymnal of 1941. As a matter of fact, my congregation, which is a member of the American Association of Lutheran Churches (AALC), not Mo. Synod, uses The Lutheran Hymnal. I love it. I have one on my piano right now!
Good Bible believing, and teaching churches are out there. Look for churches that teach expositional-ly through the scripture. Look for pastors who sincerely believe God’s Word is the inspired word of God. Pray and seek a good body of believers - sinners coming together to worship a perfect God. They are out there!
Until you do, I would like to share our Pastor with you, grew up under communism so he often has a eye for truth we might miss. You can listen online to the Sunday messages and our solid bibles study classes as well. You can skip the music if it isn’t your cup of tea (yet it is focused on honoring and worshiping Christ even if not your style ) but do not miss the teaching! ♥️ 🙏🏼 Jesus bless you as you do not give up on gathering together as we are commanded to do 🤗♥️
Neil, that’s sad. Jesus gave us the Catholic Church. He sent the Holy Ghost to be with Her until the end of time. Come back to Her. Bergoglio left the Church. He was an heretic, he excommunicated himself. Our Church will endure, that was Jesus’ promise ⚔️
Yes but humans run it and they can be and are corrupt. Not all but many. And that can be said of anything pretty much. I could tell you stories about the Lutheran church and school I attended.......
Jesus Christ gave the catholic church (note the small 'c') which in Latin means 'universal'. Within the church their are many branches. Such as Eastern Orthodox and it's many sub branches, Protestants and it's many sub BRANCHES and the RCC.
In all these churches there are true and false; those who are Christ's chosen and those who are of the devil. Because God is love, He doesn't exclusively operate in one church only. In fact, if your church teaches that you should look for another.
That is so not true. Rome and pagans gave the catholic church. Yeshua was, is and always will be a Hebrew in the original faith. HIS followers were call "Followers of the WAY". That was, is and will always be who they are. Believers in GOD the Father, HIS SPIRIT and HIS WORD who IS HIS SON and IS THE WAY.
Amen. Catholicism incorporated many pagan practices of the time into its rituals and traditions. It was also the Catholic church that propagated the myth that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. Pope Gregory on Sept. 14, 1591, gave a homily in Rome pronouncing that Mary Magdalene, Luke’s unnamed sinner, and Mary of Bethany were the same person and that the demons cast out of her signified her vices. Isn’t it interesting that although Scripture tells us of numerous accounts where Jesus cast demons out of people and healed them, it’s only this one woman who is accused of having a sinful past—as though her demon possession was the result of something she’d done wrong. There is absolutely no Scriptural basis to identify Mary Magdalene as a prostitute or public sinner having a “questionable past,” yet this belief has persisted due to centuries-old statements made by Pope Gregory.
Double nope to you too and yes of course Mary of magdala was not a prostitute. She was at the foot of the cross and with the women who found the empty tomb. Catholics have always taught that. Stop talking crap
I had to step back and detach what I was taught and trust God's Word.
We can only trust Jesus and trust no man. They can forgive nothing. Only Jesus was perfect and suffered to pay the price for sin to forgive us. That was key for me.
The Catholic Church of Rome combined paganism with the Bible and so did the Israelites back in the OT and they both still do.
Our ornately designed bodies are the church, not an ornate building of man's design. Would Jesus appreciate the massive churches built in His name?
The Pope is not the "Catholic Church"--he is a fallible human being. There are many faithful and Holy men and women in the Church, who are still human and fallible. I don't go to Mass because I'm perfect, but because I know I am a sinner who needs Jesus and the graces I receive from Him in the Eucharist. I follow Jesus...and respect the clergy insofar as their office of anointed ones.
At the end of the day, Francis was just a man, and a flawed one at that. Even Peter denied Jesus three times. This doesn't mean Francis won't be held to account. In fact, he will be held to a higher standard given the responsibilities he was given while on earth. I pray for him because I know I will need prayers too.
I am not Catholic but married into a Catholic family. After my MIL and FIL passed away, my husband’s siblings devolved into progressivism, no longer attending church, even for Christmas Eve masses. My husband left the church not long after we married and joined the Lutheran Church. I was surprised when my ultra Liberal SIL, who lives in Cali, put a stylized picture of the pope on social media early yesterday announcing his death and asking him to watch over them. Apparently, though as far as I know she isn’t a practicing Catholic, she liked this pope.
I understand turning your back on the church. When I was called to go back to church I did not want to attend at my local parish where I’d been a parishioner for 40 years. But that’s where God wanted me and that’s where I ended up. It was empty. Sunday Mass was maybe one quarter full. I knew I needed to stay there and pray for the church. The Catholic Church is very far from its mission, to save souls, but I realize that I need to pray. God will take care of his church.
I say this as someone who takes very personally Francis's attacks on the TLM community: I try to remember that Francis grew up in an extremely corrupt country which shaped his formation and likely influenced many of his political and economic views. I really wish he had focused MORE on sanctifying the Church and bringing the lost sheep home, but he apparently felt called elsewhere. Either way, he now awaits his judgment.
I have a feeling the next Pope will be even worse than this one. The devil knows that God won but he won't stop having tantrums and is going to keep trying to lead so many more astray. I am so blessed He left the 99 and came for me. I pray that so many who are lost and scared find strength and repent and find the Lord before it is too late.
I dont know about that...the 3 powerful "cities" that are in countries but are separate entities, Washington DC, London, and the Vatican, were /are being destroyed by evil. We've gotten rid of the impostor, fighting DC swamp everyday, forging our way forward, the Vatican is in disarray also, but now has a chance to change direction and battle evil....London is a disaster but hopefully change is coming for them soon...they're trying...
They cannot do better as they are imposters and imposers. It might LOOK better than last time but just because one Pope appears more morally good doesn't mean He knows God. The Pope's position is that of Christ's. The Pope is a usuper! He is, they all are damned. They lead ppl away just as the Pharisees did. They are pretenders. Catholicism is a cult. It seems to me that Catholics don't really know their true history or even their own church doctrine. Catholic dogma has dictated history just like Democrats.
Please stop. This is disrespectful to the many, many Catholics reading this Substack. I'm sure any one of us would be happy to discuss church teaching with you beginning with Patristics and working through the Catechism. We can talk about Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. We could talk about the biblical roots of the Mass and the parallels between the Old Testament and the New Testament and why we believe what we believe. We can talk about how the Scripture which is used by all mainline, Trinitarian churches is the canon decreed by the Church.
I find that when Christians of good will engage in dialogue, we have much more in common than what separates us. Given the state of the world, the rise of secularism, Islam and other forces, Christians should think long and hard before dismissing fellow believers.
I'm sorry that you are not willing to investigate the truths of what I say. I will never deny the truths of Christ as He has spoken of Himself nor stop warning all who engage in false worship, a false Jesus and a false representative in the Pope or in Mary. Yes indeed those who design your slavery spew compelling twists of truth. I'm not dismissing fellow believers I'm warning of worship and honor of a false god.
Francis has appointed most of the cardinals so it’s not looking good. The church sees US funding as their answer so they are doubling down to get the funding restored.
Double sigh. We believe in G-d incarnate who came to us in the infant Jesus at Bethlehem. Please refer to the Apostle's Creed for a simple statement of our beliefs:
The Holy Catholic Church that is neither Biblical nor has the authority it claims. They damn anyone who is not part of them and they hold to beliefs that are very clearly stated in the Bible, easy enough for a child to understand, that are directly wrong.
You may but believe that you worship the Pope but He IS the Christ representative of all Catholics by virtue is the fact that they still hold Jesus on the cross though they give lip service to resurrection but that Christ must still be dead because they needed a Pope, who most Catholics despise, can't seem to believe that Christ can actually reign, in physical and Spiritual form over the Earth or over His own church.
Sigh. We don't worship the pope. Worship is due to one being only - G-d. That's it. We don't worship the pope. We may revere and respect him, but we don't offer sacrifice to him.
Would it not be something if the AntiChrist became the next Pope uniting all countries and men? You will see me leaving skid marks to go live in a hidden cave someplace!
Might be my pre-Tribulation rapture view showing here, but I'd argue there will be no need for any follower of Christ to leave skid marks to go live in a hidden cave someplace when antichrist is revealed...we will already be taken up to be with Him ahead of those most horrible 7 years of the Great Tribulation, the time of Jacob's trouble.
Absolutely agree. I’ve just been through a five month study of the book of Revelation and Christians will not be ruled by the antichrist. What is the most shocking to me? Is that during the tribulation which is horrific people will still reject Jesus.
I actually talk about the "Strong Delusion" in my dissertation on Revelation. Follow me to read the full piece when I complete it. Here is an except. It's ok if you don't agree. That's why this took along to write, it's a complicated topic! :)
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The Saints = Saved everywhere else in the Bible. Why not in Daniel and Revelation?
Revelation 13:7
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Again, this seems to imply there are people on the Earth still who ARE written in the book of life, otherwise why mention them? And of course, it is telling that Revelation records: “Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” However, the argument is often made that these people are “Tribulation Saints” (in other words, people left behind after the rapture who are converted and therefore fulfill the criteria of “saints” even though the Church has been raptured). However, I believe The Bible indicates this cannot be the case…
The fullness of the Gentiles
2 Thessalonians tells us unbelievers will be sent “strong delusion” by God Himself when the Antichrist is revealed (3.5 years in) - for the express purpose that they “should be damned” because they “believed not the truth”.
2 Thessalonians 2:8–14
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
I have always wanted to do a study too but that is not my take when I read this book. Do you have a specific passage that may help with my understanding since you just finished your study? Thanks P.
I have done an in depth study on Revelation that I'm almost ready to publish here on Substack. It will certainly have some views you may not have heard of. However, all my assertions are carefully supported by Scripture (why it's taken so long to complete).
I actually am finishing a very through discussion on the timing of the rapture. Follow me to read the full piece when I complete. Here is an except. It's ok if you don't agree. That's why this took along to write, it's a complicated topic! :)
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The Saints = Saved everywhere else in the Bible. Why not in Daniel and Revelation?
Revelation 13:7
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Again, this seems to imply there are people on the Earth still who ARE written in the book of life, otherwise why mention them? And of course, it is telling that Revelation records: “Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” However, the argument is often made that these people are “Tribulation Saints” (in other words, people left behind after the rapture who are converted and therefore fulfill the criteria of “saints” even though the Church has been raptured). However, I believe The Bible indicates this cannot be the case…
The fullness of the Gentiles
2 Thessalonians tells us unbelievers will be sent “strong delusion” by God Himself when the Antichrist is revealed (3.5 years in) - for the express purpose that they “should be damned” because they “believed not the truth”.
2 Thessalonians 2:8–14
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
My arguments are all pulled from Scripture and much more through than I make in a comment unfortunately.
It doesn't say it explicitly but it can be presumed. However, I do not believe it is the case. I think the "Post Trib/Pre Wrath" rapture is correct. I was a longtime pretribber though.
I wrote a very through dissertation on it. Follow me to read it when it's completed and decide for yourself!
My sister and brother in law, both Catholic, got exemptions at their workplaces using the religious exemption, due to the fetal cells, and, thank goodness, didn't listen to the Pope.
I'm a practicing Catholic. I need to speak up. This bergoglio ("pope" francis') was not a real pope anymore than biden was a real president - both of them being installed to undermine humanity, basic human rights in profoundly evil ways. The CCP has paid billions of dollars (2 billion a year) to the Catholic church in order to infiltrate and destroy it. Yesterday there was supposed to be over a million "heart broken" Catholics wailing over his death at the Vatican. If you look at video of the Vatican all day yesterday you will see the few tourists and others going about their business as usual, no crying, wailing, gnashing of teeth. If you watched the corrupt, unethical news media, they absolutely fawned over their new "saint" and how he did such great deeds like welcoming abortion, transgenders, lgbt nut jobs and of course covid and climate change into a faith which has had very clear teachings on their moral, ethical and physical prohibitions for 2000 + years. Who am I to judge, he stated, my retort is are not all of those judgements??? The vast majority of the Catholic faithful are celebrating the death of this faux "pope", I'm one of them. Let him stand to be Judged.
But we have a bigger problem, he and his likely successor Cardinal parolin, current Vatican Sec of State and who was responsible for the deal with the CCP which installed begoglio, have worked feverishly to fill the seats of the Cardinals with people of similar moral bankruptcy. It will take a miracle for one of bergoglio's followers (not Christ's) not to be seated as the next pope. Thankfully, we have God and Jesus, their Will be done. To understand the truth better please look at the top three posts on Archbishop Vigano's X page: https://x.com/CarloMVigano .
As for the covid pLandemic, we now have more information about how fake it actually was, again in order to murder people to cause world wide lockdowns and subjugation of our basic human rights, and the coup de'tat of President Trump in 2020:
I too am a practicing Catholic, and I agree fully with your assessment. I never saw Francis as Pope. Of course, I grew up with JPII - an impossible act to follow. I knew when Benedict stepped down - or was forced to do so - and Francis was installed, the Catholic Church was in trouble. But he was far worse than I (or many others) expected. Due to the fact that a large number of the Cardinals are in position due to his machinations, I have little hope that the next pope will be any different, sadly.
You are right Deb, the Catholic Church and Faith in general is in deep trouble because of the deep infiltration of Communists, Pedophiles, and people like bergoglio, obama, biden, pelosi and so many more murderers and followers of Satan.
Our Salvation can only be from THE King of Salvation, perhaps He will determine that His Divine Intercession is necessary as He did when He turned President Trump's head and prevented the evil one and his minions from stealing the election which certainly would have led to the destruction of the country He breathed life into. I go to sleep at night, and I pray again in the morning that His Will Be Done and He use me as an Instrument of His Will.
Yes, John Paul II was a real Pope, a true Vicar of Christ, a gift for humanity from God. We desperately need another John Paul II.
Wouldn't it be lovely if we had a real pope again? I still get emotional when I think of John Paul II. It seems like those were our glory days. He brought so many people to the Church, and he inspired us all. I pray we will see someone like him again in my lifetime.
Funny side story: When Pope John Paul II opened the Holy Door in 1983, my grandfather requested one of the bricks. He ended up with two of them for some reason. He donated one to a nearby convent of retired nuns where we often ate lunch on Sunday after Mass. He intended to send the other to the Knights of Columbus in New Haven, CT (for some reason - we are in KY - and we now understand that he was in the early stages of Alzheimer's). I recently found the other brick. What a treasure! Just last week I handed it off to the KofC in my hometown. (I figured if New Haven was waiting for the brick, they had given up on it by then.) To be able to hold something that Saint John Paul had touched was truly special!
I'm hearing that Cardinal Robert Sarah of the west African nation of Guinea may be the Pope for whom we are looking. God's will be done. Check him out.
I have, and I really like what I see/read. I'm just praying that all of the Cardinals that were recently installed will do the right thing, and not simply try to perpetuate Francis' "progress".
I'm hoping they recognized that the fate of francis might be theirs? Perhaps that is why, immediately after the celebrated Resurrection of Christ came tumbling down our "pope"?
Francis encouraged the faithful to "make a mess." He certainly led by example. His "leadership" during Covid rivals the witness of some of the worst medieval popes and that's saying something. He sanctioned the suspension of the public celebration of the Mass - a Catholic's first and highest duty - and forbid people to receive the Sacraments during what we were all told was a illness worse than the Spanish Flu. Churches were closed, priests were reprimanded (or worse) for defying orders yet not a peep from the Bishops or Cardinals while big box stores were open and liquor stores provided their version of spirits to the world.
As Dan notes, Francis and his colleagues have spent years stacking the Cardinal deck with like-minded clerics so the prospect of a more orthodox shepherd seems slim. And yet. The church is guided by the Holy Spirit, sent by Christ himself and I am trusting that, as Scripture says, "𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑙𝑜𝑣𝑒 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘 𝑡𝑜𝑔𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑔𝑜𝑜𝑑, 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑐𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒."
Yes, very well said, NAB. Im with you on this, "The church is guided by the Holy Spirit, sent by Christ himself and I am trusting that, as Scripture says, "𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑙𝑜𝑣𝑒 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘 𝑡𝑜𝑔𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑔𝑜𝑜𝑑, 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑐𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒." I very much believe God, and His Consubtantial Son Jesus can overcome the evil which has been perpetrated on the Catholic Faith - and all people of faith - by the fallen angel and his evil horde of which bergolgio was clearly a member.
Just as holy scripture tells us there is a remnant still Norma Jeanne.
We know that in the end days, there will be a Great Apostacy. The prophet Daniel warns us of the abomination of desolation.
Do not let them steal your soul or salvation. There are several remnant Catholic orders that do not go along with or follow the heretics currently in the Vatican. The CMRI is one of those.
I could be wrong, but I believe that we are in the end times prophesied by Daniel.
Q: How could you stay in the Catholic Church after all the scandal?
A: You don’t leave Jesus because of Judas.
Norma Jeanne, remember Jesus chose Judas as one of the Twelve even though He knew full well Judas would betray Him. Judas performed miracles before he betrayed Christ.
The Church has always had and always will have treacherous leaders.
I understand Norma, but not going back into the faith is exactly the win that Satan is seeking - to separate you from Jesus. Please go back, pray for Divine Intervention, pray that Jesus' love, mercy and grace will save us who remain faithful. We all know that there is evil in the Church, it is 1.3 Billion people strong, or course it has been infiltrated by evil. Don't let them defeat you or it.
Exactly. I am a practicing Catholic and will be one until I die. I love the Faith and the Church that Christ established through St. Peter.
As Jeff stated, the corporate media lies about everything. I shook my head at the idea of ‘anguished believers’ over this pope’s death. Are there any??? Most prayed for his eternal soul, as we should do for all the departed (I asked mercy for his soul since I want Our Lord to have mercy on mine) and breathed a sigh of relief that Francis’ pontificate is over.
Now I pray for a devout ‘Catholic’ successor; may God have mercy upon His infiltrated Church.
Yes, and Amen. We must always focus on "the Faith and the Church that Christ established through St Peter" and Mary too and the other Apostles - all of whom were martyred and yet the Catholic Faith rose up and grew overcoming evil again and again. And we must Stand Strong In Jesus yet again.
Now we pray to God and Jesus that They restore our weakened faith. When I go to Mass, when I pray, I still very much feel the Holy Spirit of Jesus, all hope is not lost, unless we lose our faith in Him.
I get that this is inside baseball for most but it needs to be said Jorge Bergoglio, a.k.a. Pope Francis was never pope.
Here are several reasons why:
1. Canon law prevents anyone who is being threatened from renouncing the Papacy. Immediately prior to his attempted resignation some shadowy force had shut down the Vatican access to the international baking system. Even the ATMs at the Vatican and in Vatican City stopped working.
2. Pope Benedict in his resignation attempt attempted to resign only 1/2 of the papacy, the active ministry, but not the papal office itself. He was the first resigned pope to thereafter continue using his papal name, continue wearing the Pontiff’s white uniform, continue living in the Vatican itself and continue to have Cardinals and other high church officials seek his papal blessings for appointment.
This attempted half resignation constitutes substantial error under Canon law and is negated as such.
3. For this reason, the Conclave which attempted to install Bergoglio was of zero effect and invalid. Whether he liked it or not, and whether he knew it or not, Benedict never ceased being pope until his death.
Nor did Bergoglio automatically become pope when Benedict died. It just doesn’t work that way - there must be a conclave to elect a pope.
4. Even if none of the foregoing were true, although it is, Catholic doctrine holds that a manifest public heretic can never become pope. See Doctor of the Church St. Robert Bellarmine, Cdl. Cajetan, and Pope Pius IV’s papal bull Cum Ex Apostolaticus - even if he were elected unanimously by a valid conclave.
Finally, and here’s a hard truth, the Catholic Church has been under demonic attack since the beginnings of the 20th century when modernists infiltrated key positions and offices. This is the core message that the Blessed Virgin Mary imparted to the three Shepherd children at Fatima Portugal in 1917.
The so-called Third Secret was that a false council would be held and that an apostate pope or popes would appear to ascend to the very top of the Church to assist the Antichrist in his final battle.
The secret was to be revealed to the world in 1960 by the pope. Pope John the 23rd ascended to the papacy in 1958. He was a communist and a Freemason, as well as an apostate. He read the Third Secret and declared that it did not involve his papacy and ruled that it continued to be kept secret and never be revealed.
Obviously, it is difficult to find historical evidence or even a financial transaction of 5 Billion USD when the two parties involved are probably the most secretive two in the entire world. So, the deal to seat the illegitimate pope has been both white washed as a contrived conspiracy and also black holed but these links will give you some information about how the Vatican has been co-opted by the ccp since his appointment. It is clear that since his seating, the Vatican has made deals in China which it would never contemplate elsewhere, ostensibly to strengthen the Church in China - but how could that be when Xi/Bejing is selecting the Chinese Bishops as a primary result? bergoglios efforts have also created a deep schism in the Church, something the CCP would strongly and covertly support and advocate for, if for no other reason than to continue to subjugate the 10 million Chinese Catholics and weaken the Church's position as a moral authority.
Bergoglio elevated a total of 108 Cardinals during his papalcy. These 108 are among the 135 Cardinals eligible to vote in a papal conclave. Perhaps there you find the most long term damage of his regime. Not to mention that he removed other senior church leaders (like Vigano) who were not supportive of his takeover of the Catholic Church.
Right? The timing of the Pope's death was God's doing. We should see some significance in the fact that the Pope died immediately upon the completion of the day we celebrate Christ's resurrection from the tomb. A stark contrast.
But do people actually see what happened to him after the jabs? Jeff has spelled it out however, most people won’t ever think about it. Many of the people I know who got the jabs which is most, don’t even want to talk about it or hear about these things. Maybe it scares them.
Jeff, our family will be forever thankful for your relentless speaking and writing for jab exemptions. We watched your talk from the 2021 covid Summit after friends referred it to us as my spouse was facing one of the Inquisition type exemption forms and statements from their employer that less than 10% of exemptions would be honored. As if they were able to predict with that much certainty how many people were going to submit reasonable exemptions.
[As I think about it now, their figure almost certainly was driven by a government mandate for the employer to reach a particular compliance number.]
Anyway, we watched the talk and then promptly went to your website and read your posts for how to complete the forms. They were incredibly helpful. My spouse went from feeling they had no choice to choosing to submit the form and accept unemployment if need be. Thank God their exemption was recognized.
We are presently watching the delayed effects of the jab on an elderly family member, and it is pitiful. First a worsening of cognition and motor skills within a few months of the jab, then six months later a pacemaker, followed a couple years later by new onset tremors that doctors labeled Parkinson's but even we were smart enough to recognize as clearly not Parkinsonian, as the nature of the tremors is the exact opposite of Parkinson's. And most recently - four years after the jabs (and this person never got boosters) - devastating stroke that has left this person completely paralyzed on one side. Bitterly, they couldn't get an MRI for rapid diagnosis of the stroke because of the damn pacemaker required for the jab-induced heart problems.
And now this person is essentially a prisoner of the medical industrial complex because they have to be cared for in a nursing home due to the level of care required. So much for freedom of choice and informed consent.
Thanks for sharing. I didn’t get jabs but seriously affected by shedding. Post menopause bleeding, exhaustion, Tremors, improved a little over time , still there & recently diagnosed with “ colitis “ (feels like someone slipped me the weight loss shots)
The number of people I know who've had gut problems post-jab is incredible. A relative with diverticulitis. Three friends with unexplained intestinal "blockage" - their guts just stopped moving stuff through. Something that heretofore I had never ever heard of in any of my friends, acquaintances, or family. Then, THREE. And all within about six months of each other.
Also these colon blockages are causing Sepsis which is extremely deadly. Madonna almost dies from it while on tour. I don't care for her, but she's just an example I thought most people would know.
Oh, my gosh. My multiple-jabbed mother was recently diagnosed with “unexplained intestinal "blockage.” The doctors don’t have a clue what to do about it, other than giving her an ileostomy AND a colostomy. (That’s aside from the multiple strokes she’s had since getting the shots.)
Another friend we know developed symptoms of what was recently diagnosed as bladder cancer. Has had symptoms for a couple of years at least. Got the initial series. In former times, bladder cancer occurred in smokers. This person never smoked.
Underwent two procedures to remove the tumor. Not successful. Got sepsis along the way. Ended up with bladder removed because of scarring or something due to the procedures. All as a result of a shot for a cold.
On Sunday @ 1 pm Tucson, AZ time (9 hours behind Rome), I was using the Ascension app on my phone and found a prayer from the USCCB (US Catholic bishops) for the REPOSE of the soul of Pope Francis, with 1936 - 2025. The day before he died! I sent this text to friends:
Not to alarm you, but...I was on the Ascension App looking for study plans and found this:
What time did he meet with JD Vance? My cousin told me yesterday that Vance was the last outsider to see him alive....he joked "very suspicious - what did JD do to him?"
Donna, my snarky thought has been this - He talked with Vance and got some truth (about any number of things on which this Pope could have used some truth.)
You know the saying - “And the truth shall set you free.” Just sayin’.
Heard a news account on the radio that this visit was not even on JD's official schedule, and his staff said that they had not included it due to the pope's uncertain health; that they were not sure it would even happen. I do think it a little odd that a State visit would be scheduled on what Catholics believe is the holiest Feast Day of the year.
Hmm… I likened it, not as grim reaper more akin to an Old Testament prophet- God has said this…, you have gone against God’s Word and His will, there are consequences for disobeying and not repenting- judgement.“ (Yet delivered by JD w honestly in a respectful tone, diplomacy of course)
Yeah. If anyone wants to make a conspiracy here, why not how the Vatican waited until Trump administration visited and then took the Pope’s life afterwards as a way to create distrust of Vance and Trump? That’s more likely than Vance killing him. Lol
It was a joke. At his age and his number of health issues - jab induced or not, it was only a matter of time, although agreeing to a meeting with a secular leader on a holy day does seem a little odd to me.
yes, I got it, I am just saying I used to think I knew a lot, but now I keep finding out much of what I thought I knew was either WRONG or questionable....
The stroke-induced death of man who promoted stroke-inducing injections is not shocking.
Agree 💯. Archbishop Vigano has and is faithful to the church. I consider him to be a true leader for the Church. Francis reaped what he sowed. He was an awful "pope."
The Globalists and the CCP have penetrated and compromised most institutions of Western Civilization. Their objective is the Destruction of Western Civilization. It’s not hard to deduct that Pope Francis was likely compromised. Unfortunately, many world leaders are likely compromised. ex: John Roberts.
Speaking of penetrated and compromised.. no better example than the Israel/Zionist penetration and compromise of America (and Trump), via AIPAC...
Anyone think bombing Yemen is a benefit to America? Or just Israel?
Supplying arms, bombs and funding for the genocide in Gaza...?
How about WAR with Iran, which Butcher Bibi is begging for?
Anyone think jews love Christians?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2UE1jb50v0cO
Speaking of "penetrated", looks like Satan has been working quite hard on your thinking.
Ah... yet another mouthy hypocrite spewing their judgmental poison.
F-0ff, turd... "judge not, lest ye be judged" ahole... it is YOU that will roast in hell.
anyone who "abides" refrains from language like yours
@Dude- Le sigh....
A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger. Judgemental poison like telling someone "F-Off turd"? The verse that comes after the one you quoted so eloquently? "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" We all have plenty of planks in our own eyes.
Love your neighbor (OR hate the sin but not the sinner), and worry about being a loving person if it's important to you. As for Jews, are you friends with any? Have you been to a synagogue? I've been to Tree of Life in Pittsburgh and they embrace love for all even after the heinous murders there. Hate creates hate. Do better. Your venom creates an incredible argument for the people who want all people to be loved.
Hey Dude, the Houthises have been pirating ships of all nationalities in the straight since President Cabbage got in, gave his approval. Now our Great President has to clean up the mess, AGAIN! Get with the program.
Don't fret about Abiding Dud... unless you agree with him, he goes off like a rocket and his true colors come out... he's crud(e) and has a MOUTH on him....
his 2 buttons are: agree with me and we're friends or disagree /challenge my narrative and I'll make you suffer by insulting you and calling you every name under the sun.... I say it's best to ignore the pest
Spotted your panties, Fatso? Rag on MY insults, but throw out plenty yourself, you hypocritical old bag? 'Dud"? "Crude"? "pest"?
I don't insult people first... I only respond in kind.
You have a mouth on ya... best put it to better use than to caw caw caw at me.
I know YOUR program, Sheeny.
You one of those "The USA is the Policeman of the world" clowns... ?? Make war on everyone... to serve teh Zionist scum... and to feed our MIC and Deep State??
Damned fool.
The Houthis are attacking ships that supply the filthy mass-murdering Zionist pigs... NOT our fight... it is Israel's... and they seem to have Trump by the nuts.
Let's see... "Weidermeier"... sure smells jewish to me. Eh?
Explain this, maggot... or is your fellow jew lying?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2UE1jb50v0cO
AIPAC has formed a group to influence the conclave.
I bet... look for a radical lefty negro to be the next "pope".
subs really need a block user function
Triggered, you woke clown?
The top candidate is literally a black guy. Woke has no boundaries with them.
A female??? Jeeze, that would rock the world... but I wouldn't put it past them... corrupt and evil... about as "christian" as Louie Farrakhan!
not sure why you consider that a useful contribution
or How about? I do not even though I agree.
You are hijacking, so if you abide, hijack not.
I post truth... if it makes you spot your panties... don't read.
PS: Get stuffed, loser.
Might be worth a quick read to ensure Christians remain celebrated around the world, even in the Middle East.
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-suppression-of-christianity-in-its-birthplace/
Jorge Bergoglio has appeared before God the Father, the TRUE Father, THE ONLY Father... He had lots of explaining to do: like why did you force your parishioners to disregard the fact that the clot shots contain aborted fetus cells? Didn't speak against that, nor the clot shot... Why did you urge your priests to accept and bless homosexual couples as "married"? Why, pray tell did you remain silent as you received drag queens to entertain you at the Vatican celebration of World's Childrens Day, indigenous witches and their Pachamama at the Amazon synod.
I hope you repented of all these abominations and asked Jesus to forgive you before you died because I'm certain you'll find out there is NO purgatory.... But hell is as real as Heaven...
Amen and Amen!🙏
hmmmm. I never thought of that: Effect of multiple jabs on the not-exactly-faithful Trump/GOP appointees.
Perhaps in the next 3 yrs. . . .
If Vigano was elected Pope, only then would I have some hope for the RCC.
Let me add, I am speaking of the RCC as an institution. I am not referencing the RC people. I know many Catholics who are faithful, believing Christians that could give any Baptist a run for their money. God always has His remnant.
PS... I just saw Dan's comment here. Excellent:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/memento-mori-tuesday-april-22-2025/comment/111121417
Considering Pope Francis excommunicated Vigano, his elevation to Pope seems highly unlikely.
Sadly true. But if that were reversed, that would make quite a statement. The church, both RC and Protestant, are in need of "reformation" at the leadership level.
Unfortunately that can’t be reversed bc the Church can only carry on in “business as usual” mode until a new pope is elected. No new bishops appointed, nothing so grave as excommunication.
Martin Luther would attest to this!
I wonder if the dead pope's peeps agreed with Vigano's excommunication. I don't believe that God excommunicated him.
God the Father wants ALL to be saved but not all want to be saved.
He never turns His back on anyone who comes to Him with a pure heart.
When I converted to Catholicism for 10 years (age 17-27) I had a hard time with the scripture that said "Call no man on earth your father for you have One Father and He is in heaven" Matt 23:9 and also telling my sins to this man for him to forgive me. I knew at age 17 that Jesus was who I needed to confess sins to not a man so it never felt right. I've been a non-denominational Christ Follower since age 27. I get it now that all religiosity is manmade with manmade doctrine and traditions and that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are looking at the heart of each true believer and the spiritual reconnection as it was before we were formed in the womb.
You are so right! I was also called out of the catholic church in my teen years, interestingly enough while attending catholic school. Whenever I asked the nuns about something in the bible, they couldn't explain it to me... "Call no man your father" "confess your sins to one another" The thing that finally did it for me was when I knelt before a clay figurine of a saint... it dawned on me that THIS WAS JUST PAINTED CLAY! The ONLY ONE we should direct our petitions to is GOD!
We serve and believe in the LIVING GOD, why would anyone pray to the dead??? Yes, God definitely called me out of that church... And I thank Him for it.
💯 excommunication and popes aren’t in Gods word.
Renegades staying in the rank and file are better off renoucing the fraud in
its entirety
Personally, I want Cardinal Sarah to be elected. I love Archbishop Vigano… and support him completely. Cardinal Sarah is a leader who we need now. He should have been Pope instead of Pope Francis in my humble opinion but I didn’t have a vote.
Wouldn't that be a wonderful reversal if Sarah was elected? Sort-of the Trump effect.
From your lips to God's ears!!
God has already made His decision. Nothing can stop His will. 🙏🏻
But He gives men choices and the rope to hang themselves with if they choose evil.
I "want" the entire grift to be reduced to ashes
100%, MayBella!
I thought that if Pope Francis had stayed healthy, sooner or later, we would’ve seen him come out in a skirt and high heels and lipstick.
He was Satan in papal robes.
and spouting "attraction to minors" as something normal.... Uggghhhh
I see a lot of Latin mass types supporting Cardinal Cardinal Sarah.
As a TLM supporter, but not fanatically so (I still prefer Novus Ordo, but done very respectfully and gracefully), I am also a Cardinal Sarah supporter as well. Though Vigano would be wonderful too.
Am perplexed on why you accept the fraudulent "church" at all.
Was raised in the "faith" and saw first hand it ain't a few bad apples...
Former Catholic here. My trust in that institution caved when college friends (guys) talked about when Fr. So-and-so would ‘come for them’ one by one, each night during the week at camp. The institution allowed, ignored, covered blatant pedophilia for decades. Then minimized it, shuffled the offenders off to parishes in the middle of nowhere to prey on people no one cared about.
I believe there are special consequences awaiting for those sins committed against the most innocent.
There's a record of every pedo "event" encouraged, coerced, committed by every member of the clergy and the popes that enabled them... They will find out there is NO purgatory to atone for their sins....
I'm so very sorry you have left the Church.
It's kind of like being a Marine.
Once a Marine, always a Marine.
Once a Catholic, always a Catholic
Now that I understand, I know I will never go back. 😊
NOPE!
You are one after my own heart. Have you heard of the Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter? It was a gift from Pope Benedict meant to heal Henry VIII’s rift and bring desiring Anglicans back home. Our hymns are centuries old, sometimes Medieval 🥹. And aren’t played on bongos (at least, not in my parish). 😁 Look up a Mass on YouTube!
I'm not sure I would have joined the Church (four years ago this month at Easter Vigil) if I hadn't been drawn to the Faith by our relatively traditional Parish.
We began attending Mass because our granddaughter (and legal ward) was attending a K-8 Catholic school run bu our Parish. We saw the Church as never before, attending Mass done with beauty and respect.
Our Parish does not celebrate TLM, but Novus Ordo, with once a month a Mass with much of the Mass said in Latin. Mass is always said ad orientum at our Parish, and with great sincerity.
I think I would go into severe mourning if our Diocese (or 'higher up' the chain of command) were to forbid ad orientum, or our use of Latin.
I have not previously heard of Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter, thank you, I will look i to it. 😊
Congratulations! I enjoyed your story and am grateful to God that your little one has you. I share your love for the reverence and tradition. I was raised Episcopalian and went to what was referred to as a “high” church, meaning (I think) that our Masses were always very formal. The dim light, the censer my Dad swung, the vestments, and the traditional hymns were all my first memories of Church and how I believed it should be. I would go on to worship in other churches (Presbyterian, Baptist, namely) but they were all missing something, even the Catholic parishes that succumbed to the Charismatic movement. I could hardly find one that hadn’t, so I finally resigned myself to it and tried to leave my resentment at the holy water font. I’m overjoyed that I finally get to enjoy the fullness of our faith and the form that I’ve cherished since my childhood. Peace be with you!
Thank you for sharing the beauty of your experience with me, Stacy. Such precious memories, and I'm so happy for you to have found the right niche in the Church!
Personally, I was raised up in a theoretically Baptist household, we never Baptized until I was in my 30's, and then it was into the Missouri Synmod Lutheran Church! Looking back at my journey, I think I gained a lot by trying until I found a good fit for me, though I have very much been at odds with some of the political and medical opinions coming from Rome. /sigh
I still think it's the right choice, and I am Blessed. :) VERY grateful that we have found our home in a Parish that is so much more traditional than most!
Stacy --
P.S. Don't tell any of the other Catholics, but at home I frequently listen to Tennessee Ernie Ford and sing along -- memories of my Dad and I so many years ago.
Your secret is safe with me. 😉 Nothing wrong with honoring the 5th Commandment, is there?
We converts are a fortunate lot, I agree. Sure, I missed out on the pretty white confirmation dress as a little girl, but I wouldn’t have appreciated my faith the way I do, I think.
I didn’t really have any problems with Rome until this last Pope, but it has been revealing and a lesson in faith. Our servicemen remain steadfast in their commitment during bad administrations and it’s the same for us. I can’t pick a better church any more than I can pick a better country.
" I can’t pick a better church any more than I can pick a better country." So very well said, Stacy!
Or Cardinal Burke or Cardinal Sarah, or Bishop Schneider
Bishop Strickland would ne another good choice, though I think he would need to study up on one certain issue that he may be mistaken on.
I’m not catholic but from my experience this pope is the worst pope ever. I always said he wasn’t a pope but an evil imposter.
He seemed like a Marxist at heart.
not seemed like...
My same thoughts. Pope Francis was a socialist and followed socialism more than Catholic theology. I had no respect for his political views and he hurt the Catholic Church in many ways.
You’re correct. He was never pope, he was an infiltrator and imposter.
either an infiltrator or exactly as designed
Perhaps he was not an imposter. More likely served to expose the great fraud that is Catholocism. Not saying he knew that, but the truth emerges.
The Catholic Church has had many bad popes that were duly elected and not “imposters.” It’s the risk of putting humans into the highest seat in the church. We are imperfect beings.
All it accomplishes, is to give God a bad rap...since they're supposed to be the vicar of Christ. How many popes in times past sired children, funded wars, looked the other way when the clergy were abusing children... They use this position, not to preach God's Word, but for their own power and lusts...
And how many pastors, rabbis, and monks have done the same? The Catholic Church is not exclusive to scandal….
You are correct in that catholics are not alone in their sin or scandal. We are all mired in sin, that's for sure. However, not all claim to be "vicars" of Christ as the catholic popes do.
I think you misunderstand how Catholics use the word “vicar” and what the pope actually represents and how that role is understood.
As a former catholic, I DO understand how the word is abused by the pope and how the teachings of Jesus Christ are mocked, misrepresented and completely shredded by most popes... in their many papal bulls or decrees, not only do they claim infallibility (when they change the church's mandates or position on something, this alone is proof that they're not infallible) but papal supremacy... Mere men, and mere sinful men are never vicars of Christ.
I see my words may come off confrontational, which they weren’t meant that way, apologies, just poor skill with words. Just merely a desire to inform and hope for understanding of something that is so precious to me, much like your faith must be.
Your understanding of infallibility is a little off. The pope is not infallible in everything he says, that would be impossible as he is still a man. He can’t say chocolate is the best food and all Catholics believe that. That would be absurd. The instances of actual papal infallibility are incredibly rare and few and far between and are only on matters limited to divinely revealed dogmas concerning faith and morals, it is not to make known new doctrines. So the pope can’t say infallibly that now murder is a virtue and it would be an infallible proclamation because we have established since the time of Moses that murder is a horrible sin. The pope can’t change that. Infallibility was Jesus’ way of ensuring the faith would endure through corrupt and horrible humans. It’s not a human “skill” but an act of the Holy Spirit.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church is online, which you are probably familiar with, if you’d like to clarify anything else.
https://usccb.cld.bz/Catechism-of-the-Catholic-Church/
And yet in spite of human error and sin, the Catholic Church has endured for 2000 years. Doesn’t that make wonder how? Doesn’t it make you conclude that even with the imperfect men as pope and the imperfect humans as Catholics, there may be something more and deeper that has allowed it to endure so long? God surely would have allowed it to be destroyed by now, but He allows humanity’s free will and redirects and course corrects the church, which involves exposing the sin and corruption. I’m not saying the popes haven’t done what you said they’ve done, I’m saying you aren’t truly understanding their role and how the church views their role.
I don't believe I misunderstand what papal infallibility is about, and I'm glad to hear you say that the pope is not infallible since he is merely a human being. I certainly agree with you there! Where my problem lies is that popes CLAIM infallibility when in actuality no human being could ever CLAIM THAT AT ALL! But bc that claim is made, catholics world wide see this mere man as someone he is not. It elevates him into an idolatrous role...
Most of the catholic rituals and traditions are not based on Sacred Scripture and actually go against the word God... Call no man your father, for you have ONE Father in Heaven...yet they teach and encourage this...
Where do we see in Scripture that praying to the dead is taught? But rather, make your petition to God in the name of Jesus, boldly come before the throne of grace where you will find grace through the blood of Christ...
The "enthroning of Mary" as the "queen of heaven" was done through a papal bull ...the declaration of Mary as "Empress of the Americas" also by another pope... BUT NOWHERE in Scripture do we see this, ever... THIS IS IDOLATRY and it saddens me that millions upon millions are being walked into hell by the teachings of the catholics.
The parable of the Wheat and the Tares comes to mind when wondering why the CC has been allowed to continue. I departed this institution in my teen years... God called me out of it, and He guided me into a non denominational church. My parents, though Sunday only catholics, stayed and fought for their "faith" while I prayed that their eyes would be opened... Many years later, they gave their lives to Christ and lived a daily life in Him... never officially walked out of the CC... I'm certain this has been repeated thousands of times in thousands of families, and I pray that God continues to open eyes and ears so we can see Him more clearly and listen (obey) because He is coming back for His Bride soon.
Same here
why candy coat it?
just rewards in this world. may he also receive such treatment in the next.
I would be very careful to wish any such thing on anybody.
Yes, such wishes can quickly corrupt one's Soul. Be careful what you wish for, please!
I’m sad about his death for the sole reason I’m not sure about his salvation. The vaccine was just one of his issues. Praying Catholics get a true believer in Jesus Christ for their next leader.
Get Vaxxed, Die Anyway.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/realtime-boomer-baby-death-clock
I am praying that Cardinal Sarah is elected.
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I struggled with the Holy Bouncer and his obvious corruption. I am feeling no pity and very uncatholic.
I heard reports of him being sedated before he died, that he was yelling at demons. The man has blood on his hands. I also saw a photo of him in his early days in Argentina with his right hand tucked into his jacket front, a freemason sign.
His history is pretty gruesome. He was not a good man and yeah, highest level free mason.
Do you have sources for that? I’d like to look into his background
This guy wrote a lot on it. I recall many years ago (maybe 10? 11?) hearing an in-depth documentary podcast on his antics, and it wasn't good.
https://michaelhoffman.substack.com/p/another-papal-criminal-passes-into
Have you ever heard of the ‘Black Vatican’? And no, it has nothing to do with race.
Yes I have, but don't know that much about it. What have you heard?
I may take me a while to find the info, but a class I was in about 15 years ago was digging into it. Supposedly the Black Vatican is the ‘powerhouse’ that controls the pope. And that entity controls, not just Rome, but the world.
I’m going to try getting in touch with the instructor, as my notes are packed and in storage. But I will try to get back to you today. (
Black Vatican
https://cynthiachung.substack.com/p/the-vatican-bank-the-worlds-largest-8d2?utm_source=substack&publication_id=309240&post_id=161845220&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=email-share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=true&r=2hbv7u&triedRedirect=true
Wow, just wow. Thank you for posting Bard. It is very hard to stay on the straight and narrow.
even without the expose (that I did not read) have known that the
"church" is a great fraud
Just as was true with Covidiocy, it requires legions of clueless people...
The Church is in the heart.
Kind of like the "Council on Foreign Relations" or the rest of the deep state for the US presidency.
FYI, I just started reading Mike McCormick's book: 'An Almost Insurmountable Evil', how Obama's Deep State Defiled the Catholic Church and Executed the Wuhan Plandemic.
Only a few pages in and it is fascinating.
Thus the Drug Trust, while maintaining the Stalinist Communist Government in Russia, simultaneously maintained a Communist back up regime in the United States, the Trotskyite Movement, in case the Stalinist regime should fall."
Eustace Mullins
Murder By Injection.
Thanks CStone, no rush (:
Just a recommendation… the black pope, black papacy… quite interesting…
https://archive.org/details/the-black-pope-a-history-of-the-jesuits-by-m.-f.-cusack-formerly-the-nun-of-kenmare-1896
This is actually what I was talking about. Not the Vatican, but the ‘Black Pope’. And the Vatican Bank.
There are three (that I know of) cities that are privately owned and are run independently of the nation they are in.
Rome, London and Washington DC.
(I apologize for my lack of memory and my futile search for my notes. I have lived longer than my ‘use by’ date….so my memory is not that great. )
But on the positive side, I’m less grouchy since I sidelined FB, lol.
I had a two week court case in California, by jury. I ditched all social media, killed my accounts before trial (I won!). FB was gone. My right wing anti vax sentiments were not going to go well with a SoCal jury! I never missed it for a minute. I like SubStack. But should it change for me it too will be gone.
Thanks for the recommendation And link! I have been reading more and more about the Jesuits. Tough bunch!
My dad didn’t go along with the Jesuits in college and I think they messed with him and his career later. They enjoy working with the Freemasons in upstate New York. Lower level Freemasons are clueless to what goes on.
They ARE a tough bunch!! My wife, who is a recovering Catholic, scoffs at the Jesuits but I keep one eye opened in their presence. The one thing that they do effectively is playing basketball.
If one of the Jesuit schools win March Madness next year, I’ll have to keep both of my eyes in the open position.
Don’t forget that Lee Harvey Oswald spoke to a crowd of Jesuits at Spring Hill College, in Mobile, AL 10 days before his infamous confrontation in New Orleans... his speech covered Marxism and how it was so much better than capitalism and communism.
https://open.substack.com/pub/francesleader/p/the-black-nobility-nihilist?
Francis Leader writes a lot about black nobility
I have read about the black pope. Francis was the gray pope. Next up will be the black pope!
I have not, what is that about?
Many of you may find this article about Francis, a Jesuit, being “the black pope”… if for nothing else interesting current reading: https://www.latintimes.com/speculation-over-nostradamus-black-pope-prophecy-resurfaces-after-francis-death-581341
Very interesting read, thank you for posting Marueen.
What Maureen posted is what I was talking about. I thought it was Vatican, but when she posted the link, I realized that’s what we studied.
I had heard that as well, only the description said he was yelling at them because they were trying to drag him to hell. Wow
AND who, prey tell, said and witnessed that ? 🙄
May the Lord God have mercy on his soul and all our souls. AMEN. 🙏
I don't know who was the witness or witnesses. But that was some general report that I read somewhere along the way on the x tweets. Is it true? Don't know. But that was very interesting
There are a lot of made up stories right now...just saying.
From today's news:
'Around an hour later, after making a gesture of farewell with his hand to Mr. Strappetti, lying in bed in his second-floor apartment at the Casa Santa Marta, the Pope fell into a coma," the Vatican said.
"According to those who were with him in his final moments, he did not suffer. It all happened quickly," the church's statement continued, describing Francis' death as "discreet ... almost sudden, without long suffering or public alarm."
Many people are attacked by demons at death, holy and unholy people. It’s the demons last chance to snatch their soul away from God, yet God is with us closer then we know at this moment. I’ve been with many people who are dying. We cannot judge his soul…
Wow, I can only imagine the torment. I hope God has mercy on his soul.
If he is treated fairly, he will get no mercy. He pushed abortions, same sex marriage and the mutilation of children. I suspect he will never be cold again.
I agree, Susan. I don't think Pope Francis opened his eyes in glory. He was a globalist who openly supported many things that Scripture says are abominations. No amount of people praying for him now will make any difference about his eternal location. He'd already decided that during his long life on this earth.
Cynthia, Someone posted on this site that they had to give him a shot to calm him down because he was yelling about demons. I don’t know if it is true.
Technically we all deserve no mercy, so Jesus came here to die because of our sin.
The pope is just a man and should not be on a pedestal or worshipped IMO.
We know that heinous deeds have been done in the name of God, but were anything but... What matters is the condition of our soul and we should be a light among men. Was the pope a light among men?
1 John 4:4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
Right on Dawn.
Later Jay
Just like St. Dismas on the cross next to our Lord? Did he deserve mercy? The Lord gave him mercy when he asked our Lord to remember him when he comes into his kingdom: "Today you will be with Me in paradise", was the Lord's answer.
We don't know the condition of his soul at the moment of death, only Jesus Christ knows that. We pray that he was right with the Lord at his passing.
I have plenty of 'political' disagreements with Pope Francis (and his handlers) and wished he had stayed "in his lane" with all the socialist and climate change nonsense. I disagree that he pushed abortions, but he didn't speak out forcibly or clearly on issues. Too many items to list here.
May he rest in peace. I pray that the Lord's will be done and that He has mercy on me, a sinner.
💯‼️ He did not push sin, but he was wishy washy in his style of communication which the msm took, ran with, and pushed their usual disinformation.
For instance, his 'blessing of same sex couples'..
In *his* own words:
https://youtu.be/DL-R0d7psD0?si=ZbW00PynvmlzmoTa
Great point on the communication style, Angela. Even though he spoke several languages (five I think), his answers at times in their English translation were a cluster mess of words.
The msm does the bidding of the evil one (twist and distort everything), in my opinion. That is one of the clearer answers from Pope Francis. He was talking about that we are all human and that Christ died for all our sins and it is an act of charity for the individual to receive a blessing. Even the question she asked teed it up as if the blessing is of the homosexual "union" and he was speaking on blessing of the individual.
While the pope didn't "push" abortions, he was pushing the vaccines that were grown on aborted fetal tissues, calling it "morally acceptable" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55409693
I completely disagreed with him on the jabs for that reason (I believe the J&J jab was the one related to the old aborted fetal tissue line), where the others were based on the mRNA. Both are morally wrong and reprehensible in my book. Also, there was absolutely zero 'informed consent'. Experimental bioweapon spike protein clot shot death jabs are never a good thing...
Those that needed and sought religious exemptions from our parish priest, received them. It should have never gotten to that point of needing a religious exemption.
The aborted fetal cells were utilized at some point in the production of each brand, according to this: https://cogforlife.org/guidance/
Why am I not surprised?... (rhetorical question). Thank you Peace for that info.
All the more reason to avoid big pharma "medicines" and jabs as much as humanly possible...
Although it is not for us to judge, I can't imagine God taking kindly to this man. Purgatory time at best, I would think...
On the subject of purgatory, as a non-Catholic, I've often wondered about this. So, I have an honest question: Where in the Bible does it indicate there is a purgatory?
The Catholic concept of purgatory is rooted in both tradition and biblical interpretation. While the word "purgatory" itself does not appear in the Bible, Catholics believe the idea is supported by scripture and early Christian teachings.
One key passage often cited is **2 Maccabees 12:39-46**, where prayers and sacrifices are offered for the dead, suggesting a belief in post-death purification. Additionally, **1 Corinthians 3:11-15** describes a process where a person's works are tested by fire, and they may suffer loss but still be saved—interpreted by some as a reference to purgatory. Other verses, such as **Matthew 5:25-26** and **Matthew 12:32**, hint at the possibility of sins being forgiven in the "age to come," which some theologians link to purgatory.
The early Church Fathers also wrote about a purification process after death, reinforcing the idea that purgatory was part of Christian belief long before the Protestant Reformation.
Orthodox do not use the term Purgatory, but believe that praying for the dead is efficacious, and as we (RC and EO) go back to the first millennium together as one church, believe it for the same Biblical based reasons.
I appreciate your quick response. I don't have any experience with the Books of the Maccabees. When I have time, I look forward to checking out all of the references you have given. Thank you! :0)
You're welcome!
Macabees is only in the Catholic bible.
I'm here with you!
It's not from Scripture...
@Vicki- I am a former Catholic. I never believed in Purgatory.
I'm curious as to why you never believed in Purgatory, as that is what the Catholic Church teaches. Do you know if there were very many more Catholics that agreed with you?
@Vicki- I never believed God would be that cruel. There were many things I didn't adhere to. I also got tired of hearing how bad I was every Sunday. I converted to Lutheran, Missouri Synod which is Catholiciscm without the man made rules.
I’m really very sorry you had that experience, Kittynana (love the handle, btw). Mine is totally different.
@kittynana -
I don't blame you for feeling that way. While it's good to keep in mind that we all have a sin nature (to keep ourselves in check), I believe the focus should mainly be on the love of God. “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”
Based on Hebrews 9:27 where it says “just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment...,” to me, that doesn't sound like there would be a group of people waiting around in limbo. As you said, that does seem like it would be rather cruel.
The great thing is, just as God blessed King Solomon with a wise and discerning mind, I truly believe God gives that to all who are honestly seeking truth.
Hey, Vicki! You are sweet to honestly inquire! I converted to Roman Catholicism from a Baptist church in ’99. What did it for me, in no small part, were the apologetics surrounding the doctrines of sola fidei and sola scriptura. Scott Hahn, in his book “Rome Sweet Home”, answers your question far better than I ever could. Even if you don’t eventually agree with his arguments, you will achieve a deeper understanding of why you choose to worship differently. The grace and peace of Our Lord be with you, always!
“The grace and peace of Our Lord be with you, always!” Thank you, Stacy, and also with you!
I appreciate your thoughtful response. I'm very curious; after leaving the Baptist Church and converting to Catholicism, did you have an issue at all with the veneration of Mary? That is my main sticking point. Mary is being held to an equal place of importance alongside Jesus. However, I haven't seen any scriptures indicating that's the case or that we need to ask Mary to intercede for us, but rather to go straight to God with our prayers and supplications.
Romans 8:26 "…but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.”
Romans 8:34 “...Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.”
1st Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”
The bottom line is that it should only be about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and no one else.
Revelation 21:6 "...I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give water to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life, without cost."
Thank you, Jesus!
How kind of you, thanks! 😊
You’re more than welcome.
I can definitely understand why you feel as you do regarding Mary. I really didn’t have a problem with the idea because she’s the Mother of God and chosen by Him, not only for Himself but ultimately for us. My question is why so many Protestant denominations seem to think about her only at Christmas. This concern naturally comes up in RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults), and I took away from my experience that she is never to be worshipped, that is reserved only for The Blessed Trinity. She always points us to The Son. We do pray to her because we believe in the Communion of Saints. In other words, we believe that communication in prayer with saints is possible (not to be confused with worship) and that they can intercede on our behalf to God in the same way we ask our friends to pray for us. The statues and icons we’re known for, similarly, are comparable to pictures we all keep of those we love and are never to be worshipped.
I think what many Protestants do not know is that Catholicism draws on more than the Bible for insight into the Word of God and that Protestant editions of the Bible do not contain as many books as Catholic versions do. We see the Bible as a sort of textbook; just like our teachers relied on our textbooks as the primary resource of the knowledge they were trying to convey, they also relied on other sources (think of videos, lectures, field trips, etc.). Put another way, we don’t believe that if it’s not in the Bible, it didn’t happen.
But please do know that we agree that the Blessed Trinity is most definitely what it’s all about. Just watch a Mass on YouTube if you’ve never seen one! 🥹 The National Cathedral and the Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter (for us Anglophiles) have some of the most beautiful examples. In our worship of Him, we hold to traditions and hierarchies that Protestants have rejected, that’s all. The combination of physical and spiritual elements is, for me, illustrative, fulfilling, and helpful for focus.
While these things are all important, the most critical element (difference, question), for me, is the Blessed Sacrament. Holy Eucharist, Holy Communion, as it is also known. We believe that it is, ultimately, about the Trinity and so we believe (as Jesus said in John 6 and reiterated at The Last Supper) that the bread and wine consecrated by our priests become the true Body and Blood of Christ and we worship them accordingly. He didn’t hold up the bread that night and say, “this is like my body” or “this is a symbol of my body”. He said, “this is my body”. He knew He was going to lose a lot of people over the idea of eating the flesh of the Son of Man and drinking His blood, but he laid it out just like that.
Anyway, these are just my humble explanations of what I learned and why I converted, I have no wish to persuade or confront. Whatever our differences, I know you are a child of God. 🥰
Thank you for taking the time to give such a thorough explanation as to why you believe what you believe. I'm with you; I also have no interest in confrontation. I am just always curious and like to understand where people are coming from.
I hadn't thought of it before, but you are right; Protestant churches seem to reserve discussion of Mary for Christmas time. Personally, every time I read about Mary, I'm in awe! One of my favorite Bible passages is when she visits her cousin Elizabeth, who is six months pregnant with John, the cousin of Jesus. When Mary entered the house and Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, her baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
As you mentioned, Mary was chosen by God. However, I don't believe that means we're supposed to worship her. She will always be honored among women, but I haven't seen anything to convince me to the contrary that it is God alone we are to worship.
About 18 years ago, I had the opportunity to attend mass several times while visiting friends in Kansas City. I wish my memory were better so that I could recall more of the details. I do remember that, even though it was all a little foreign to me, it was a nice experience.
It is my understanding that the Apocrypha is not generally considered divinely inspired. However, I'm curious now, and perhaps someday, I'll have the time to sit down and read some of those books. While recently going through the thousands of books my parents left behind when they graduated to eternity, I was excited to discover four volumes on the Works of Josephus, which I hope to read someday as well.
I know I will never have all the answers. I'm just grateful every day for God's love. I honestly feel so sad for those who don't believe there is a God. He is the only reason I can get through life's daily challenges.
Philippians 2:1-2 "If then there is any encouragement in Christ, any consolation from love, any sharing in the Spirit, any compassion and sympathy, make my joy complete: be of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind."
Even though there may be some differences in theology, I believe we are of the same mind; it's all about God.
I just want you to know that I appreciate you, and that it's always nice to meet a sister in Christ! ❤
How lovely, Vicki, thank you! It’s people like you who make difference interesting and fun and you are right to point out what we have in common, which is the grace of God and sisterhood in Him.
I love how you look upon your parents’ passing, by the way. That’s really a good way to look at it.
The story of Mary and Elizabeth you note is such a wonderful testament to the power and glory of the Holy Spirit, isn’t it? That even the unborn are touched by Him? That’s so beautiful! I had always appreciated her as the Mother of God but it was her depiction in The Passion of The Christ and that wrenching scene in the Via Dolorosa that really drove home the point for me. I was a fairly new mother (and fairly new Catholic) at the time and watching his suffering from her perspective brought me to sobs.
Thank you so very kindly for your thoughts! I feel the love of God shining through you in your posts and I am so very grateful. 🥰
The Book of Enoch describes such a place but doesn't call it purgatory. It described a beautiful waiting area and a great trench to another horrible area for us to await judgment day. How can we go straight to heaven before judgement day? IDK
Do you think we go straight to heaven when we die?
Does the Bible say? I can't remember off hand.
Straight to Jesus when we die. No side trips, no waiting station.
The only scripture reference off the top of my head right now is the same as 79SmithW60 above mentioned about the thief on the cross next to Jesus in Luke 23:41-43: "We are punished justly, for we are receiving what our actions deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!” And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
That's the verse I needed. Whatever it is, Paradise sounds good to me.
The book of Enoch is only in the Catholic bible.
I didn't know Catholics approved it. I read it for the first time a couple years ago. Other denominations did not cannonize it not sure why, but it is referred to by at least 2 people in the Bible.
It sure explained a lot about the giants and how the fallen shared secrets with man.
Hebrews 9:27-28 "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for Him" Maranatha!!
Good one, but isn't that the death of sin we were once slaves to, judgement and spiritual death saved by Jesus' sacrifice?
I think the verse was referring to that because once we are saved, we have eternal life. Before Hebrews 9:27,28, Vs. 25,26 was talking about how Jesus paid the price for all sin so it seems to refer to the death of sin and "after that comes judgement" does not clarify 'right after' OR just the next step OR because Jesus bore the sins. IMO, it will be revealed later.
Could we be judged spiritually then, and forgiven, sins wipes clean? Since Jesus returns the 2nd time He will not deal with sin but save us all then? Are we all, dead and living, awaiting for Him? It does say the dead will rise...
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Isaiah 26:19
19 Your dead shall live; their bodies shall rise.
You who dwell in the dust, awake and sing for joy!
For your dew is a dew of light,
and the earth will give birth to the dead.
John 4:13-15
13 Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” 15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water, so that I will not be thirsty or have to come here to draw water.”
As long as I'm not 'left behind.' LOL
Most of us do judge, I know I do but should not. What if there is no purgatory, what then?
Who knows? Not me! It's up to God.
No such thing. “ it is appointed for man once to die and after this the judgement.”
{...I suspect he will never be cold again...} 🤔🤔🤔
You mean he will be cursed with an eternal high CO2 foot-print ???🤣🤣🤣
Don't believe msm sound bites if propaganda. Listen for yourself:
https://youtu.be/DL-R0d7psD0?si=ZbW00PynvmlzmoTa
He was a Communist from Argentina who, as a Bishop there and in Italy, moved pedophile priests from church to church so they wouldn’t get caught.
I can’t “like” it but understand it to be true.
I know exactly how you feel.
He was wishy washy, for sure, but I never heard him push any of the above.
He had to have known what the trans agenda was about - there's no way he did not, it being such a big issue. The trans agenda pushes child mutilation, both with surgeries and puberty blockers, which sterilize and also mutilate.
Critical of "Gender Ideology":
"Uglier Danger": He has referred to "gender ideology" as "the ugliest danger" of our time.
Cancelling Differences: He has stated that "cancelling out the differences [between genders] means cancelling our humanity".
Ideological Colonization: He has compared "gender ideology" to "ideological colonization".
Opposing Gender-Affirming Surgery: He has condemned gender-affirming surgery as a violation of human dignity.
Important Considerations:
Distinction between "Gender Ideology" and Transgender People:
Pope Francis has stated that "gender ideology" is not the same as transgender individuals.
You are very gracious to remind us that ol’ Frank doesn’t deserve our complete and total rejection. God will judge us by the mercy we show others and so He will have mercy on you. 🥰
That's an important distinction, to be sure. Still, the sin of it was not condemned, and he was supportive of the LGBTQ "community" overall, from what I read.
Maybe you and the Pope had different concepts of that particular sin. When I was converting, I learned that homosexual inclinations are not, in themselves, sinful (although I think many of us consider anyone susceptible to those desires to be homosexual. I see a distinction). After all, Our Lord was torturously tempted in every possible way during the 40-day wilderness stint we Catholics now observe as Lent. *Every* way possible. I was taught that the sin lies in embracing those inclinations and acting upon them.
I understand the same. That doesn't mean you elevate the sin as something you put your support behind. How about supporting murderers? Is that next? I mean, they can't help it.
That's my point.
Of course not, but if most of the world operates under the assumption that it’s the attraction to one’s own sex that makes the homosexual, then it seems likely to me that he would want to be seen as “supportive”. A big part of his job was to win souls for Christ. I’m just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because I sure as shootin’ know I need it. We all do.
We may have been accessing different sources because I did.
Once you’re dead, it’s too late.
The Bible says “it’s appointed unto man to die once, and then the judgment “.
Yes, prayers after death are pointless.
Ok, so I agree that it's probably too late to repent and/or pray for mercy for ourselves once we're "done"...
But I don't believe prayers on behalf of others are ever wasted... In fact I think we are obligated to do so as part of "do unto others..." and "Love each other as I have loved you".
Our omniscient and omnipresent God is not bound by time or circumstance...
And, again, my wife had interesting things to say about this based on her own experience:
https://catarinamacamericansojourner.net/reality
Thank you for posting and tell your wife I appreciate her writing very much please. Your wife's 5th page resonated with me the most. I am not afraid to tell my family or friends or others for that matter what I "see" and I do not remain quiet. Jesus has spoken to me directly 3 times saving me twice from a bad fate and once to help me find a cause to a most grievous incident. I have had 2 faith healings, believe in UFOs and Santa Claus (I actually saw him when I was a child and it was not my father). No one believes I saw Santa unfortunately. My dearest dog came to visit me 7 times after her passing, each time the same presentation. There is more than meets the eye and that is just fine with me!
I'm quite sure she's heard you, but not with earthly ears 🥰
(see https://catarinamacamericansojourner.art/who%3F for our "story")
And by 5th page, do you mean the prayers she helped write?
Where it says 5th page...
Of course, the 5th page of her handwriting (I was confusing pages with tabs)! In fact I only came across that writing in a sketchbook a couple of months ago since I'd originally put it with her other sketchbooks!
Yes! Pray for the living. Too late for the dead. Their position is settled. That’s why God pleads with sinners to receive forgiveness NOW! A Mac truck might be in your future tomorrow. Ooops!
I don't know about that. I still pray for those I love who died, if nothing else, just as a connection. But we don't know that it doesn't help. Our appeals to God mean something, according to scripture.
The church militant and Church Triumphant are connected by love. Our prayers for God's mercy on our beloved ones are efficacious..therefore: masses for the dead, ritual memorial services for the dead, etc are a major part of our Churches. (RC and EO).
Thank you!
Not really.
I shamelessly consulted CoPilot for this one:
The Bible does not explicitly command believers to pray for the dead, but there are passages that some traditions interpret as supporting the practice.
One of the most cited verses is 2 Maccabees 12:44-46, which describes prayers and sacrifices offered for the dead so they may be freed from sin. However, this book is part of the Deuterocanonical/Apocryphal texts, recognized in Catholic and Orthodox traditions but not included in the Protestant canon.
In the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 speaks of a purification process where a person's works are tested by fire, which some theologians link to the idea of praying for souls undergoing purification. However, other passages, such as Hebrews 9:27 ("Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment"), emphasize the finality of one's fate after death.
Some Protestant interpretations argue that there is no biblical precedent for praying for the dead, as salvation is determined in one's lifetime. Others, particularly within Catholicism, see scriptural hints that support intercessory prayers for those who have passed.
A Catholic friend said this pope “was a good bridge toward bringing the church into more modern thinking.” I did not care enough to ask for examples of what she meant.
His toxic jab policy killed many, including himself.
why?...he was a SERIAL KILLER ...like fauci, netenyahu etc
The pope nor tradition have any authority. Only the Bible. It is hard for many to leave Mother Church. Pride does not want to admit being wrong and Catholics refuse to believe the true gospel of grace alone and not of works because if it is true then all their loved ones missed the boat. That is too hard to accept so then - denial.
I converted *to* “Mother Church”, as you put it because I saw what you describe as “the true gospel” shot down. I wonder if you didn’t mean “faith alone”. After all, if there’s no grace, any question or belief in what gets us to eternal life in God is rendered moot because all have fallen short.
Read Biglino's "The Naked Bible" to see just how wrong YOU are as regards the "bible".
Or are YOU in denial?
Jorge Bergolio had charges brought against him by the Mother’s of the missing in Argentina.
Definitely he was charged with the dead of the seminarist and many others who were hiding from the military government and did trust the Catholic Church that he was running, only to be killed.
The story was that many of the victims were thrown out of planes in the middle of the ocean to never return or leave a trace.
He was Argentinian and as a pope, he always promised to return to the homeland, but never did.
Operation Gladio was in full swing at that time and the CIA was running that hand in hand with the Vatican and the American Italian mafia.
Thank you for that info Carlos.
My pleasure but sadly enough I think that the same satanic history is developing as we speak in Mexico and the extermination camps.
Israel is brewing their own satanic history... mass-murder... you might call Gaza an extermination camp...
Most do not know that the jew's "holocaust" was a craven myth/hoax/con-job... they cry about Nazi mass-murder... which turns out to be a stone lie... while mass-murdering women and kids in a long-planned genocide...
I believe it
I thought that Catholics could not be freemason's.
Correct. Faithful Catholics, anyway.
Really?
😥
It sort of makes sense now why so many people radically supported the shots to a psychotic degree. If Catholic, they were led to believe everything the Pope said and it was interwoven with their uncompromising faith.
EDIT: from the replies I think my comment is being misunderstood. There are a lot of Catholics that DO wholeheartedly cling to anything the Pope says in a reverent way and don’t use discernment. I was just commenting that this fact had never occurred to me before and how it made so many people blindly cling to their pro-vax stance with such intensity given what the Pope was saying/doing/teaching. That was the only point of my comment, not to paint Catholics as a whole in some negative light.
Our faith, whether Catholic or Protestant, IS an uncompromising faith. God’s word overrides any words man may utter and is the final say in anything. But if any of us lift up a teacher with the reverence that Jesus himself deserves, then their guidance can easily slip into uncompromising territory. This is true of Protestant faiths too, as they also have been known to cling to their pastors/teachers in a reverent way. No - not all of them, but many.
My apologies if I offended any Catholics here. You misunderstood where I was coming from in my desire to make a “short” post.
Very few, if any, Catholics of "uncompromising faith (of which there are many)" paid any attention to what Pope Francis had to say, least of all in connection with the affairs of this world, where he was almost without exception, a shill for the ideological fetishes of the globalist, secular elite.
In fact, a lot of Catholics believed that Francis was not a "legitimate pope" since Pope Benedict never resigned as Pope (which had never happened before, I believe) but had essentially recused himself from the day-to-day activities, as I understand it...
Pleaser correct me if I've misspoken or misunderstood...!
I think it has been three times (including Pope Benedict) in history that a Pope has resigned.
Well, Benedict sort of did, but not really... Maybe his cat liked the digs too much (I imagine there's a lot of rats to be had)...?
I count eight resignations in history. Link is to a list of popes through current. In the column for the date of the end of the papacy, the date if followed by a # indicates resignation.
https://catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/spope0.html
Actually, after talking with my son yesterday, I recalled my wife's primary reason for not accepting Francis as a legitimate pope was more fundamental than whether Benedict had really resigned or not:
The Jesuit Order was founded on - what made them distinct from the many other Catholic orders - a principal rule, simply "to serve the Pope" with loyalty and obedience. And hence, a Jesuit could never ever BE a Pope, because it would be a contradiction of their Rule, their Order, their whole raison d'être!
In essence, a Jesuit Pope would be committed to "serving himself"... a cruel joke, and most definitely NOT a part of the papal job description!
In fact, Malachi Martin, author of "The Jesuits: The Society of Jesus and the Betrayal of the Roman Catholic Church" and concluded that they had essentially lost their way, seduced by Marxism and Liberation Theology.
Thank you! I had heard a Jesuit could not be pope, but I didn't know why. Thanks for sharing.
Please thank your wife for doing the homework I should have done myself, Peter Mac! I had no idea!
You already have, but you might be interested in some of her writing, e.g.: https://catarinamacamericansojourner.net/reality, which I've already posted in this thread, but also her old blogs are still online, and you might get a kick out of her "The Cat in Catholic", and specifically: http://letterstomycats.blogspot.com/2018/11/our-smaller-brethren.html
Thank you.
Your wife was so lovely. Such a luminous one, heart and soul.
Especially precious to me is having read her entry on Solidarity. I've been struggling to understand why I felt compelled four years ago to join the Church, when I had found myself at terrible odds with so many things that were being said from Rome. It was almost as if I felt that the Church needed people to come at that time, as I needed to come to it. Solidarity struck me profoundly, given my recent doubts and wonderings. Thanks for pointing the way to this.
I'm going to show it to my husband as well, as he is also much in need of encouragement presently. This is a tremulous time.
@ WilliamD. Very true. As my brother would often say: "The Pope just needs to stay in his lane" (fake manmade climate change, jab pushing, etc). My brother is one of uncompromising faith and is not jabbed, nor am I. I would consider both of us as 'constitutional conservatives' with common sense. He wore out many Rosaries praying for my conversion. Thank the good Lord he did.
The Archbishop of the Archdiocese of San Francisco revealed in a podcast interview with the SF Chronicle (as I recall) that he had not gotten the Covid shot because his doctor had told him that he didn't need it. This was in the middle of Covid mania, but since so many people in the Bay Area are anti-religion and often anti-Catholic, it didn't make much of an impact. I had never cared for the Archbishop very much prior to that, but after his admission, I had to admire him.
I think there must have been quite a lot of pressure from the Vatican (after all, the Pope required the Swiss Guard to take the vax) because at some point I saw a photograph of the Archbishop on a Catholic website where he was promoting the vax. That was some time before the podcast came out.
Many clerics of different faith traditions around the world believed what was told to them. I forgive them.
Agree
Catholics are not the ignorant peasants of the Middle Ages anymore. Truly faithful Catholics use the gift of discernment and realized the ungodly character of Francis early on.
Modern cafeteria-Catholics never had any intention of paying heed to what a pope said anyway, except as it already aligned with their ideologies.
I've considered myself a cafeteria-catholic for decades. Born, raised and married in the Catholic church but was turned off one too many times. I found my way back to religion, but don't feel the need to participate in an organized service. My faith is between me and God.
That's not faith.... What would have happened if we were all as such? My hubby used to say his faith was "a private matter..." No one comes to faith in a private manner. If it's private between you and God, no one gets to hear the Gospel. We were instructed to go to the ends of the earth with the Good News. Belonging to a church, a community of the faithful, is what helps to keep us grounded. Living apart from what the church does is missing the full story.
It is true…the need to participate - because I always recall at the Last Supper, Jesus said, “Do this in memory of me.” One has to believe there is something required in that command.
I didn't come here to get excoriated, but thanks for the comment. You do you.
Ouch! Must have hit a raw nerve. I apologize.
My hubby said the same when our pastor asked for his testimony... Then, he started on a journey that brought him to a strong faith he defends.
You do have a point, though. If we Christians are to further the Kingdom of God in His absence and if He is to act through us, we’re more effective in numbers. We’re also here to strengthen each other. Even the most cloistered, silent monks live and work together.
That’s class, right there. 😎👏🏻
{...community of the faithful...} ...🤔🤔🤔
Humanity's biggest and most atrocious crimes against "other communities, the incredulous savages" have and ARE currently being perpetrated on a global scale in the name of "religion/faith" !!!
Utterly DESPICABLE !!!
Homo sapiens should understand that it is high-time to overcome this kind of destructive "community".
Klaus Hubbertz , if you know the Catholic Church currently, or recently, engaged in such, could you please give a few examples?
The RCC has about 2k yrs. of vile history: crusades, persecutions, conquistas, witch-hunting and burning, Malleus Maleficarum, fierce opposition to new scientific discoveries (remember Galileo and the new heliocentric, system?) colonialism some time ago (but could be re-ignited at any moment) war-mongering, ALWAYS siding with power and dictators, paedophilia (just google Archdiocese of Chicago is bankrupt due to millions of USD of claims because the horny priests ...) , promotion of LGBT+, clot-shots, etc., etc. in more recent times.
The Pope only mentioned Gaza because an orthodox church was levelled, no talks about Palestinians ...
MILLIONS of human beings with the "wrong faith" have been killed in the name of that religion on a global scale.
Ooh! Ooh! Now do Islam!
Any additional info with more palpable details from your side ??? ...
I think, THAT study is YOUR turn ...
It's high-time to step out of the Zionist Matrix all things religion !!!
Go and educate yourself before posting such silly replies here on Substack !!!
I knew you were going to reply this kind of way and saved the following link, especially for your info:
https://michelchossudovsky.substack.com/p/who-pope-francis-jorge-mario-bergoglio-argentina-dirty-war
E N J O Y !!!
I'm not the one making wide generalizations, Klaus. And I've already done enough study concerning the 'religion of peace', that I conclude that much of the accusation of 'atrocity' that has been aimed at Christendom more rightly belongs at the feet of another religion. It is not an atrocity to resist the conquest of a aggressive, tyrannical war ideology disguised as a religion.
Cafeteria-Catholics? The ones who faithfully ate fish on Friday?
The cafeteria smelled funny on those days 😆
LOL - fishstick day! “Cafeteria Catholics” refers to those who stroll through the faith, picking and choosing the parts they like - much like people in a cafeteria line.
Oh, ok, kinda like Buffet-line people! I like my fish stick explanation better 😉😆
But then it became ok to eat meat on Fridays, except during Lent. Instead of 3 hours of fasting before communion it changed to one hour. Bobby-pinning a tissue to my head was considered having my head covered for mass. Then the requirement for head coverings disappeared too. The church etched rules in stone— breaking them was a sin to be confessed to the priest/Father—then sandblasted those arbitrary statutes away. I never understood that.
They changed the fasting rules because, according to my (former) Catholic MD, folks with diabetes and other medical issues were having problems.
I remember having fainted during mass and collapsed into the center aisle. I was in third grade, attending mass before school. I was so hungry…
OMgosh. I read your comment and had a vivid flash of (odor) memory of how our grade school cafeteria smelled on Fridays! That was a looong time ago for this 70something year old.
LOL! A good friend of mine was in a band (Government Cheese) back in our college days, and one of their songs was "Fishstick Day":
Monday we had burgers and fries. (ooo, ah, yum, yum)
Tuesday we had Chef's surprise (ooo, ah, yum, yum)
Wednesday, Thursday, beanie weenie and zucchini (ooo, ah, yum, yum)
It's fishstick day, fishstick day
Run run run to the cafeteri-a
It's fishstick daaaaayyyyy
It's funny that I never thought about how we Catholics affected everyone else's lunches when we were kids until they wrote that song...
I remember beanie weenie! And I actually looked forward to it, too!
Funny how we still can ‘smell’ that smell!
I can still smell the odd smell of my aunt’s house. They were next door for the first 5 years of my life.
{...Modern cafeteria-Catholics...}
Nespresso-tolics ...
Buona giornata !!!
Absolutely. But this is why now I am more interested in Orthodox, because Catholics can't divorce themselves from increasingly "modern" and "progressive" popes, who just go along with the beliefs of the day, no matter how harmful.
Perplexity just succinctly made the same sentiment I’m trying to in our other thread. We (true) Americans are faithful to our country in the midst of Obamas and Bidens. We may not always agree with everything our Pope says, but we have faith in our Church and, as Perplexity also says, pray for him because he is as human as the rest of us.
Yes.
Well I don't know if we are supposed to, but in our house we took much of what Pope Frances had to say with a grain of salt. We continue to pray for him.
He “labeled vaccine skepticism “suicidal” —a mortal sin in Catholic theology”. I can’t fathom the cognitive dissonance that is and will no doubt continue to transpire after the government covid website changed to reveal some clear truths. Many Catholics may rage quit this administration, while others will doubt who can be trusted in their faith.
This I doubt... most Catholics understand that the Pope is simply Christ's Vicar on earth, and just as Priests represent Christ in the sacraments, we believe that Christ alone is our Lord and our God, our Savior, and our King forever!
My wife attends Catholic mass every day in a large church. Most people there took the vax, in no small part thanks to Francis. On the other hand, my son is a Catholic Friar in training, his brotherhood publicly came out against the jab coercion, and now the local bishop has just kicked them out of their friary.
We used to do so too, but it's not the same without her...
And good for your son! Kicked out by the local bishop? Sounds like a badge of honor to me, and clearly a sign that they are on the right path!
And my wife’s cousin is an Italian Catholic priest. He’s convinced about the Masonic links
Two words for that local bishop and they ain't Happy Birthday. He needs a enema doused with Holy Water. Your son will find something else that is better!
No Pope, Vicar, Pastor, Priest, Reverend, Bishop etc. has any more closeness to God than any of us. There is no intermediary that can talk to God on your behalf better than yourself. God yearns for each of us to talk to Him individually and confess to him what is on our hearts. Congregations are nice but they are no substitute for your own intimate conversation with your Lord. All IMHO.
Have you ever met an Orthodox monk ? There is no way I have the same connection to God, no way...
I am sorry to hear that Angela:{
I think she is complimenting the absolute devotion that an Orthodox monk puts into his connection with God. Most of us don't achieve that. I certainly don't!
But I could say the same thing about countless Christians I have met over my life and none of them were monks or priests or pastors or bishops or anyone formally trained to lead a flock. It’s not the title or position that grants the devotion, it’s the choice within each of us to live our life that way. We give too much reverence to our spiritual leaders. You shall know them by their fruits, and they may or may not be a leader, and leaders may or may not bear fruit.
OK, not the point, but sure.
Right there with you on this Juju.
Any of us can give absolute devotion in whatever time we do have. I have no doubt God appreciates any and all endeavors and does not watch the clock on that! Thanks RMR!
YES..some literally raise above the ground on prayer or shine with divine light. Others know your soul, others pray for you and a miracle occurs immediately. They give up everything of the world to reach this state of grace, we don't.
I think there are civilians who can reach the same level of grace, not just clergy.
I have never met a civilian that spends all their time doing what monks do. But I'm sure they exist.
We will agree to disagree Angela.
I was raised to believe in the infallibility of the pope—nothing simple about that. To question it was a sin.
Is the pope no longer infallible? Wow.
Wrong idea here…the pope is not infallible, it is the Church, the depth of doctrine and teaching.
As I said, the person who became pope was considered infallible. This was the case for the first 18 years of my life. At some point, that must have changed but I had moved on to a personal relationship with Jesus and did not need a person to be an intermediary between me and my Savior.
I would tend to agree with Peter Mac. We know that the pope is not God. And if we take the time to understand the very limited restrictions on papal infallibility, we understand perfectly that the pope was speaking neither for the church, nor for Christ when he said we had a moral obligation to be vaccinated. It was his personal opinion. I catechize Catholics and had to sent many minds at rest that they were obligated to follow their own informed conscience on whether to vaccinate or not.
Thank you Katrina Mac. Papel infallibility, which I do not think that Pope Francis addressed anything in that manner. I think the last thing was related to our Blessed Mother and her immaculate conception many Popes ago. I may be wrong.
The problem when Popes or presidents or anyone in prominent leadership positions speak, they are always seen in that station that they hold. Talking about so-called manmade 'climate change' has nothing to do with the faith and being the Vicar of Christ. In my opinion, that is where his advisors failed him and always seemed to be walking back what he was talking about. When the Pope speaks everyone sees him speaking 'as the Pope'.
I agree with you. And for this reason, I believe that the pope acted without charity to the entire world. He misused his influence in a very human, and I believe sinful way. Popes are granted the grace of infallibility, but not impeccability. They are able to sin like the rest of us!
What you were thinking of, as far as infallibility goes, is the proclamation of dogma, of which there are only 255. There has been no formal proclamation of a dogma since the proclamation of the Immaculate Conception. However, dogmas are simply a part of broader doctrine, and doctrine does not change, but it grows and develops more deeply in its original direction as the Holy Spirit guides the Church, as promised, into a deepening of understanding of the mystery of God. This is why the church is ready with well- developed and biblically-based teachings as new bio-ethical concerns crop up. So while Francis did not proclaim a dogma, he did do work that advanced our doctrinal heritage and understanding, though not nearly as much as previous popes. He contributed to understanding of the incredible error of gender ideology, as well as other similar things like surrogacy, and yes, even marriage between a man and woman.
Which he clarified as the only basis for marriage, to be clear. There seems to be some confusion about this, but Francis upheld the biblical teaching on man and woman.
Thank you Katrina, you put into words what I could not. :) I have only been a practicing Catholic for 11 years (came into the Church at the Easter Vigil in 2014) so I know that I have a lot to learn, and we can study all our lives and never learn everything about our faith!
Who grants a Pope the grace of infallibility? He is NO different than any of us with the exception of learning all things Catholic. I call foul on that one for sure. Boo Hiss.
I'll take a stab at that one Lori. The unbroken line of succession of Popes from Jesus, to St. Peter (when Jesus gives him the keys to the kingdom and told him that whatever you bind on earth with be bound on earth and whatever he loose on earth will be loosed in heaven, to paraphrase the Gospel of Matthew) to Francis, so that grace of infallibility would come from the Lord Himself through the Holy Spirit.
Respectfully, thank you for the explanation but not buying into it at all. Then others should have that as well, not just a pope.
That is okay, no worries, Lori, but it is not up to us or what we want. It is God's plan. And Christ gave leadership of the kingdom to St. Peter, not others, and only those in the line of succession (good and bad ones) were chosen to sit in the Chair of Saint Peter to lead Jesus' Church on Earth.
Infallibility has to do with the proclamation of Dogma of the Christian faith, as Katrina explained above.
Appreciate you 79Smith, but how do you determine who is in the line of succession from Peter? By a conclave of men? I have not heard this but I am not Catholic. Are you explaining this from a Catholic viewpoint? Thank so much. No worries if you have no time to explain as I ask a lot of ?s, lol! Have a great week:}
Of course many are like you, but the fact that you had to set many anxious minds at ease speaks to my point. Those minds were anxious because of their unwavering belief in the Pope conflicting with something else inside them. Thank God for those like you who helped so many, but just as many did not have that guidance in their life and their uneasy minds led them to the vaccine. There are more Catholics in my community than any other religion (about 80%) and everyone I know got the vaccine and ridiculed and shamed anyone that didn’t. They trust their leadership and their leadership in their parishes take their cues from the Pope. They would never be caught criticizing anything the pope says and they have a reverence for him that exceeds anything I’ve ever witnessed. It’s wonderful to hear that there are astute and discerning believers among you, I just hadn’t met one myself in all these years. Even my own MIL went to great lengths to justify and reconcile anything the Pope did or said that was wrong, to the point of ignoring God’s own words in deference to the Pope. (Note I’m a Protestant and I have just as many criticisms of the various Protestant denominations and how they have secularized their churches and doctrine, and also promoted the vaccine. It’s appalling. So I mean no disrespect to Catholics alone, I was only pointing out something that suddenly made sense to me.)
I hear all that you have to say Juju. I’m extremely surprised to hear that all the Catholics you know vaccinated. I don’t know very many who did. I am wondering if you live in a more liberal area, and if this is more of a reflection of The community rather than the church? We had attended a church Ins very liberal town that had more liberal members and many of them vaccinated. We moved during Covid to a more conservative church where people conceal carry and don’t weren’t masking, and we heard no more from parishioners about vaccines. Incidentally, people at this church for more apt to receive the Eucharist on their knees and displayed much greater reverence and deeper faith in God. They weren’t looking for a temporal solution I actually received a call to start teaching during Covid, and one of the classes I thought was on papal infallibility, and the limits of it, precisely to answer the confusion around the vaccine thing. But you are right, the fact that I had to do it at all is really telling. I have a more full original post on here where I talk about I how Francis did not uphold the very Catholic concept of freedom of conscience God rest his soul, he was too much of a Marxist.
Yes!!! It’s a VERY liberal area, probably the extreme. It’s been this way my entire life and I’m turning 60 this year. It is so good to hear this is not reflective of all Catholics. And I suspect that is also why so many Protestant churches in my area caved to secularism.
I can’t wait to relocate to a red area. It will feel like being released from prison no doubt.
I thought that might be the case, Juju! Orthodox Catholics are very independent thinkers. We tend to homeschool, confront civil authorities when they're in the wrong, and generally make ourselves a pain in the butt. We are the ones getting arrested in front of abortion mills, and kicked out of school board meetings. We know we're saved by Christ, and not by his messengers or priests, and we know that gives us, as I'm sure it gives you, a profound sense of our own freedom in Him! But Catholic or Protestant, it's time for us all to be utterly FEARLESS in Him.
Katrina, I don't know of any fellow Catholics that got jabbed because Pope Francis said to, unless they just did and never talked about it. Many did it because they thought they were doing their "civic duty", and to help protect others... I know far more that didn't get jabbed because they followed the 'science' and that having that communist totalitarian gnome Fauci and Brandon telling everyone to get jabbed was reason enough NOT to get jabbed.
We studied the mRNA technology info that was out there before they rolled out the jabs and decided, not just no, h#ll no...
I'd agree with this. I knew one Deacon who was pushing for the vaccines because Pope Francis said so. I was respectful and kept my anger under control, and just said, "Well, good thing this isn't an area in which he is infallible. Thank goodness we all ultimately have the moral obligation to follow our individual informed consciences. This is not an area in which he has moral authority" He wasn't a very discerning person, though well-meant.
yuppers, Hell NO!
This is an excellent response and reflects a faithful outlook, Katrina.
Lots of harm was done by most high profile religious leaders, from the Pope as Jeff lays out to Franklin Graham & the head of the Mormon Church. Not sure if money was involved, but could have been in the form of governmental threats to their 501 (c) 3 status. Unfortunately that threat is a useful government tool of coercion. My non denominational Christian Church left the decision to the individual- which I appreciated.
Every church that closed it's doors received money! Millions went to the large churches! Even the small churches took govt "covid" money. Yuck!
I’m not surprised, but didn’t know for sure. The threat of removing their tax exempt status works pretty as well.
I saw a government document that clearly stated they were using religious leaders to push the vaccination, so the government definitely contacted every religious leader of any consequence.
Ridiculed the non jabbed just like lepers were chastised in Jesus's time yet He received them and taught his disciples to do likewise. In religion, many lose common sense and get caught up with middlemen like the Pope or Bishops or Pastors etc. Best to go right to the Holy Source yourself IMHO.
So true, Katrina, and good for you!
Your conscience is indeed your ultimate arbiter, and you have a duty to do your very best to keep it well-informed and to always seek the truth...
Not to mention the necessity of praying for help every step of the way...
BTW, My wife, born "Kathleen" spent her whole life painting, but for her best work she chose to use the name "Catarina Mac", so all forms of Kat/Cat have a special appeal to me!
That’s awesome! Good names.
When the pope speaks to the public, it is never his personal opinion, as Christ's representative on earth. Or if he thinks he can, and it does not gel with the tenets of the Catholic faith or scripture, he is being incredibly irresponsible, at best.
What he did by telling millions of Catholics to poison themselves is horrific. Is it any better than what Jim Jones did?
Well, yes and no. He is certainly capable of speaking his own opinion of things - the grace if infallibility doesn’t prevent that. He’s still his own person, with his own free will. But yes, he has a profound responsibility to lead carefully and lovingly, even in his glancing statements. I would agree with you that his words and insistence on vaccination were beyond irresponsible. I would say it was a scandal, and deeply harmful. As a man, he is able to sin or mislead in this way - his position doesn’t prevent him from doing that. It’s like when a priest, or pastor, or Rabbi sins against children - at the end of they day they’re still all just sinful men, but we know instinctively that they bear a greater burden, like we hear of in Romans, to do better than the rest of us.
What we Catholics can do is go back to Scripture, to search our hearts, and to hew closely to the consistent teaching of the Church over 2000 years, to find our ballast if we have a capricious leader whose words confuse us. The answers were all there, but many don’t know how to find them. Francis has not changed church teaching in any way, but he has truly hurt the confidence of the faithful, and that is a very, very serious pastoral failure.
Juju, who can we really trust but God and some family members and some long time friends and your pets. The circle is quite small. If the Catholics want to rage quit when hearing the truths of the the Covid crimes, then so be it. Some cannot handle the truth. Did I just sound like Jack Nicholson!
If they “rage quit” with just the knowledge of covid, then they truly don’t know their Catholic faith. The foundations are so much deeper than earthly corruptions…
The pope is not the Catholic Church, Christ and the Eucharist IS the Catholic Church and that is forever unchangeable and not capable of corruption. We’ve had bad popes in the past, some worse than Pope Francis, and the Catholic Church has endured for 2000+ years. This is just another bump in the road…
I don’t think there was rage quitting, just the knowledge that not all popes have been good people through history.
Imagine when the AntiChrist comes Juju, he is supposed to unite the world but I will be running the other way bc not even Jesus united the world so that will be a sign I pay close attention to. This is assuming I will still be alive at that time.
Jesus came not just to save us but be an example and warn us.
Matthew 10:34-36 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
I found this verse interesting in the same chapter... Jesus said a lot about children but imagine what vaccines do to them, and read this verse.
42 And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.”
This gripped me and I need time to revisit this chapter 10.
My husband’s father has been unloving towards him and basically showed no interest in having a relationship with us or our kids our entire marriage, robbing my husband of a fathers love and my kids of a grandfather’s love. He had an affair for 32 years that broke his mother’s heart as she had to live through it all those years because he wouldn’t divorce her. When she passed away he literally married his mistress the very next week - and she was a viper and home wrecker in every sense. His father passed away a week ago and neither she nor his brothers called to let us know. We found out when a cousin texted condolences. On Sunday the mistress texted “your father passed away” without knowing we already knew. My husband was not cruel, but he did not let her get away with what she proceeded to do: make him feel guilty choosing me over his dad. His entire family has hated us our entire marriage because our faith in God and Jesus changed how we lived our lives, and just our mere presence without speaking was too much of a threat to their sinful lives. They made us the enemy.
That’s the “man against his father”.
Our daughter was captured by the LGBTQ+abcxyz movement a decade ago when she went to Minneapolis for college, and has been estranged from us ever since despite my efforts to reconcile our relationship. Two years ago I had to finally let go because of how cruel she became and the pain was too great for us to bear on a recurring basis. To this day she makes false claims about me and her father to anyone that will listen, and now fully believes her own hate and lies. The family of course embraced and affirmed her hate for her mother because they knew it would tear me to pieces. If they truly loved her, they would have helped facilitate reconciliation because they would have known the importance of a relationship with her parents to her having a happy and secure life. But the mistress of my FIL never had children of her own and only understood how to live a life selfishly, so my daughter was not in safe hands.
That’s the “daughter against her mother.”
I loved my MIL, but because of the hate the family had towards me and our faith, (just plain Bible Christian,) she constantly opposed our church - despite the fact that my husband was the only son of her four that embraced Jesus, attended church regularly, and lived his life the best he could according to God’s word. But in her old German Catholic mind it wasn’t enough, and if you weren’t Catholic you were going to hell period. I tried so hard to show her love in spite of her disapproval of me and our faith, but she made it difficult by remaining cold and keeping me at arms length all those years. Of course it was fueled and fed by the rest of the family so I don’t fully blame her.
Still, that’s the “daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law”
That’s 3 for 3 in our life today in regards to this verse. There must be relief in these verses for the pain I live with every single day I wake up.
Wow Juju. Among many other issues at hand you go through the wringer daily. I commend you for standing strong and choosing Jesus first, in the midst of the painful day to day. In my younger days I didn’t understand those verses. When life unfolds, they make perfect sense. Peace to you and your family.
"3 for 3", yikes 🤯 and my condolences (and prayers)...
As I continue to read through my wife's journals (started when she was 13), I fully understand how that kind of emotional pain never really leaves... as she used to say, "we can forgive, but we can't forget".
Of course, we're supposed to do the former, but the latter is impossible in this life...
Yes the emotional pain impacts daily life. I look back and see just how much my MIL’s heart was shattered and it showed in the condition of her home. A woman’s home is a reflection of her soul. She kept it clean, but so many loving ideas of improvement to her spaces sat half-finished because they were not one-person projects but rather family-projects requiring many hands. Memories piled in the corners collecting dust with no one there to find joy in them or wanting to peruse them.
And here I sit today in that EXACT same kind of household with the same tomb-like existence. I had hopes and dreams and plans for our family that came to a screeching halt. And memories are collecting dust in the corner with no one wanting to celebrate them to make more. Projects for the enjoyment of our home lay unfinished and decaying as there is no one here to encourage and help me much less appreciate them. The pain and depression impacts it all as well as every family member. I knew my MIL was in pain, but I never understood how she could let her home become a tomb until it happened to me. I wish I had understood more, maybe I could have gotten past her blockade towards me in order to help her finish one of those projects. The depression due to their father’s sinful choices definitely seeped into all of her children’s lives, which is why none of them had the motivation to help her beyond cleaning. It’s the same in our home now. Not only did my FIL break his wife’s heart, he broke the hearts of his kids and grandkids too.
I’m going to enjoy reading your wife’s journals. Thanks for posting them.
As I do myself, since these are all new to me as well!
Of course we talked about everything, but she made it clear her journals/diaries were private and I respected that... but she also made sure I knew where to find them.
I've cataloged almost two dozen so far, some spanning just a few days, others years, and what I'm putting online is just excerpts in most cases.At the same time, I've been cataloging her artwork as well and putting it online.
And then there are the blogs she created, e.g.:
https://degringalade.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-03-09T08:21:00-07:00&max-results=7
So, you are more than welcome, Juju.
Aw Juju. May you have peace, and may your prayers for your family happiness be answered. Keep turning the other cheek, you may be pleasantly surprised what the Good Lord can do to foment change.
That's really tough.
Jesus said people will hate us because of Him.
James 1 said to consider the testing of our faith as joy so we can be complete with understanding lacking nothing.
We don't get things until we suffer and it becomes clear, so we feel pain but also more joy.
As we get older we become wiser especially if we seek Jesus. Others get blinded by God while others get wisdom as revealed in scripture.
Speak life about these things that they, especially your daughter, will be given the Holy Spirit to understand and seek God. It may not be soon, but God's timing. They may have to learn some lessons first.
Bless your marriage Juju, you are a very strong and resilient woman all powered by the Grace of God.
Too true!
And I hesitate to post this because it's very personal to me, but I feel called to witness...
My wife had a special relationship with Jesus (as I believe, in fact, all believers do), but in her case she recorded details in her hand-written Journals, and which I've been transcribing here, if anyone is curious:
https://catarinamacamericansojourner.art/why%3F
Beautiful thoughts from your wife, and raw truth about what we all suffer. "To die is gain" unless you are not of God....
We are all called to be a witness even in little mundane things often reap the greatest differerences to others we usually never know about.
The devil torments us all... for now and we must focus on what is good.
God bless
Catarina is terrific to pen this to paper and then you share her experience. Even more thanks for sharing as she has also had an experience speaking with Jesus as I did 3 times.
So beautiful, thank you for sharing. The thought of accepting like a child, happy yet able to be corrected because they feel safe and loved ( at least that’s what it spoke of to me) is perfect.
Interesting. I am even more thankful that no one mentioned above has been set against me or me against them.
I often wonder if the Anti-Christ will actually be AI. When it evolves enough that people will trust wholeheartedly its answers and defer to it for accuracy and evidence, and doggedly support it in every way. Basically worshipping it. Will the real Anti-Christ co-opt the AI itself once it has weaved its way irreversibly into our lives? Or maybe the strange “we just don’t know how it works” (quantum computing and processing and the results of the AI,) is really a sign that it’s a doorway for something evil lurking there, biding its time.
I know that sounds like a voo-doo philosophy or something, but it IS strange how eerily the AI presents its logic and reasoning beyond anything it was programmed to do. The speed doesn’t surprise me, the articulation and reasoning does. It has taken on a life of its own and these are the days in the beginning where it promotes and supports “goodness” for a while, before it changes.
Gosh, Juju, you may be right. Had not thought about that before. Wholy Smokes! That would certainly be the only way the "whole world" would love him! The AI would appear as each region would want him to appear as if it was AI. I am SO thankful we will be safely taken out of here before we find out! Thank You Jesus!!!
I will say a prayer for your situation.
These days Juju, anything is possible. Time will tell.
Well said Lori.... I'll see you in the desert when that time comes.
Absolutely. I was raised Catholic and indoctrinated into the belief that a man in a costume could sit in a dark box, hear my sins and forgive them. And that that man got his orders and powers from another man in a costume in Rome. And that the man in Rome was infallible. Fortunately at the age of 18, I saw the cracks in the scheme and watched over the years as the cracks became chasms. If the general public ever learns the truth about Francis and his role in the destruction of mankind, the RCC will implode.
Well, it's been said that "The gates of hell swing on Vatican hinges" on the other hand there's Matthew's "upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it" or words to that effect...
Here's a wonderful non-denominational site that I find useful and thought-provoking, e.g.:
https://www.gotquestions.org/upon-this-rock.html
and my all-time favorite:
https://www.gotquestions.org/God-save-everyone.html
Thanks for the links!
I am Orthodox and that is not what the sacrament of confession is about.
It’s as simple as believe it or not. I chose not to believe almost sixty years ago and nothing has changed my mind since.
That is very sad. You have chosen not to believe, and that is your choice. However, your 'arguments'(opinions) are not very persuasive.
I’m not attempting to persuade anyone or argue with anyone. I’m simply sharing my experience which is not sad, quite the contrary, it’s liberating.
R.B. Same.
True. Although I have uncompromising faith (Protestant now) as a Christian and no pastor, church head, pope could have EVER enticed me to get that shot.
damn right Kathleen!
Read my other comment, the media psyop was really powerful in the early covid days in Italy.
I think it was using the word “reverent” incorrectly that’s throwing people off…
Yes I think you are correct. It wasn’t the proper word. I couldn’t come up with the word that means excessively reverent to a blind degree. Even devoted or devout alone isn’t the correct word.
Piosity? Sanctimonious?
No. Those imply an inward focus, like having a self righteousness about it. I’m thinking of people who have an outward focus of servitude and devotion, but to a degree that they would literally kill themselves before ever turning away. That’s the kind of devotion I have to my Father God. I would never compromise or forsake on my belief in Him or His Word. But I will not have that level of reverence for a mere man or woman. I’ve met people who mistakenly place a spiritual leader in that same kind of position in their minds and hearts and therefore their lives.
Good point!
You are right. There were many Catholics who got the shot because they listened to the Pope. One being a new Mother to her ? 7th child. She had recently given birth and went & got the shot. Within a couple days, she suffered from a massive stroke & died leaving behind her 7 children and her husband. She had a moral obligation to her children not to go out and get the shot to prevent giving Co vid to Granny. So upsetting.
Pope fFrancis was utterly demonic with his emotional blackmail and manipulation regarding the jabs!
Yeah, I cried pretty hard reading Jeff's post today. Not because I had any affection for Francis, but because as a lifelong cradle Catholic I've watched the destruction of the Catholic Church from within, begun centuries ago, but accelerated by Marxist infiltration and finally through the St Galen Mafia. The poison cherry on top was Francis shockingly telling us that it was a moral duty to get jabbed, when it's really our God given conscience that needed to be our guide. The pope is not God, he is not infallible much to the misinformed public and our poor catechesis. Countless good priests pushed back, were canceled by the Vatican and are now relegated to online ministries, virtually stripped of all their sacramental duties, not allowed to say Mass publicly or administer the sacraments that are the life blood of the church (See Fr James Parker our family priest of 25 years and a truly holy guy https://youtu.be/g10oSGKHKwM?si=CbtUraE84qov_oAb )
But the evils-in-charge got what they wanted- rage quitting of faithful Catholics and lukewarm adherence by cafeteria "Creasters" who no longer believe the Eucharist is the true body and blood of Christ as He told us it was in His own words, during the Passover supper. Only 20% of Catholics actually believe anymore and it's the *only* thing that delineates us from the 40,000 other denominations that believe it's just a symbol. The evils-in-charge know the power of the Eucharist and are Hell bent on convincing us it's just a myth.
These evil clergy didn't bank on losing so much funding though, so I have to laugh because the lukewarm attendees who only go to Mass a couple times a year rarely put more than a single dollar in the collection basket. I'm in utter disbelief that it's taken this long to expose the grift of Catholic charities and its USAID felonious scam with OUR OWN TAX DOLLARS - I've known it for 40 years and haven't given them a single cent.
It gets tiring getting beat up as a practicing Catholic, the only faith where it's "morally" acceptable to slander, even by (especially by) other Christians. I believe Jeff also left the Catholic Church behind, and I get it it, but on the flip side the thousands and thousands of people coming into the church in recent years gives me a lot of hope (40,000 in France just this Easter vigil and the number of Muslims having full on Jesus conversion dreams is staggering). There are countless Protestant clergy coming into the church well and miracles abound (see the miracle conversion story of Jordan Peterson's wife Tammy and healing of her terminal illness).
And while I stopped pushing back years ago on the attacks thrown my way (I mean there's no point, just wasted breath), I sometimes ask that if you believe us to be so evil, why is it that anyone who is going through immense spiritual attacks personally or in their homes(ie haunted house etc), why do you go get a priest? How come you don't get the staff down at Ginger Creek Community Church to come out and do the exorcism? There's usually no answer but in the rare occasion they continue with the "you're evil" narrative I refer them Matthew 12:22-32
Amazing thoughts, Verve, but that’s nothing new from you. I think we find ourselves as we did during the Obiden administrations: We keep the faith and take the wins when we can get them. I do appreciate Francis’s efforts at outreach but wonder what it might have cost the Church. I’m praying with you!
Thank you Stacy- as you know there's tremendous power in our prayer together- God bless you!
Let’s not forget that the Protestant’s Pope, Billy Graham’s son, Franklin Graham, also hawked the jabs and claimed that even Jesus would take the shot. THAT tells you everything you need to know about the collusion of world leaders to push “population control.” And of course, they have plausible deniability because they are “religious leaders.” But even worse, it tells you that the world’s religious leaders don’t have the faintest idea (or maybe they do) of who Jesus is. He is the Second Adam, only the second human being in all of history to walk the Earth with 100% divine, uncorrupted, YHWH-sourced DNA. Trust me, Jesus’ lips NEVER TOUCHED a single unclean food, because He was the embodiment of the Torah of YHWH. There is no chance in heaven or hell that Jesus would ever allow himself to be injected with DNA remnants from an aborted infant or the unclean kidney cells of monkeys or dogs.
But Jesus allowed tens of millions to take the deadly Covid jabs... and allowed THEIR blood to be corrupted...
Mythology is fun... but your rant is absurd.
Humans have free will. It would make no sense to create a race of people who didn’t. The genome of YHWH’s people was corrupted eons ago, which is why a healer named Jesus was sent to save and redeem them. If you don’t believe Jesus existed, was divine, or was raised from the dead, that’s the myth YOU’RE free to believe, because that’s YOUR free will. But the historical facts and the faith of the billions of Believers who have lived since the time of Jesus have already proven you wrong. Why don’t you jump on board, Dude? Jesus could only change your life for the better, make you a new person with so much love in your heart for your fellow humans that you wouldn’t know what to do with it! ❤️✝️🙏🏻
Flat - I always find it interesting that accounts like dude take the time to insert themselves with these attacks. They aren't doing it out of love, or concern for their fellow man. Listen to how angry dude is. They are rage-baiting and part of the nefarious we have to deal with on the daily - whether they realize what they are doing or not. dude doesn't fit the profile of someone who would be part of C&C. For all we know he probs is working at some bot farm in Croatia or is being paid by Soros, oops I mean by our tax dollars through Soros and USAID, simply to try to demoralize us. Well, good luck with that - there's not a thing that guy can say that would affect me more than the crap we've all had to go through the past 5 years --since our own tax dollars were used against us to purposely release a bioweapon for the global elite's "population control." Perhaps dude is coming from a real account and is a very angry person taking it out on people like a drive-by shooting. Either way, I've found that the very basic idea of free will is usually lost on most who are not Christian. Now, I actually get to end this comment with GOD BLESS YOU! How refreshing... I just love the C&C Fam. :)
Hi Verve, thanks for your comment and insight. I feel bad for the Dude, if indeed he is real and not a mercenary or bot or AI creation. He seems to be on the same road Saul/Paul was on before he was confronted by the resurrected Christ, although in Saul’s case, he was a bonafide murdering terrorist and not just a hateful reprobate.
It’s impossible for people like that to understand the work of Christ, because their hearts are so hardened. They don’t understand why God allows this or that, but they might if they read and tried to understand the Bible, especially as it relates to Paul.
God allowed Saul to persecute and murder Christians for some very distinct reasons. First, to display the perfect and limitless patience and mercy of Christ. And second, to give hope to those who might think there is no hope for them. “I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost (worst sinner), Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.” (1 Timothy 1:16)
And thank you for the blessing! GOD BLESS YOU TOO!
Great comparison to Paul. Your charity with clarity is definitely a compassionate way to fend off these attacks- all the best!
So... Jesus was sent to heal his people's... corrupted genome?
Kudos! First time I have heard THAT one! :-D
The number of people that believe in Jesus proves nothing... obviously, as Christians represent only around a third of world population... a minority... so the two-thirds that do NOT believe in Jesus should prove YOU wrong... according to your own logic... right?
I don't know what the truth really is about creation, "God" or much of anything else... but I am intellectually honest enough to admit it... so I consider myself an agnostic. YOU don't know anything either... but are less honest.
Have you read Biglino/Cattaneo's "The Naked Bible"? You really should. Biglino was a super-qualified translator of ancient texts... enough so as to be hired by the Vatican...
file:///C:/Users/tucso/Downloads/_OceanofPDF.com_The_naked_bible_-_giorgio_cattaneo.pdf
Pope Francis was a Jesuit (read: Communist) from Argentina, who many believe was involved in “the disappearing” of 30,000 Argentinians during the Dirty War in the 1970s. He’s probably reaping his reward even as we speak…
Thank you. I can't believe the level of delusion of some followers! I am a Catholic and I have learned to pretty much ignore the popes, as they have always been incredibly corrupt - by design. History is easy enough to read on this. It's not a mystery!
I sure hope so. I pray God is giving him the judgement he is due. And it's certainly not a seat on the throne or anywhere in heaven
There's a Franciscan friar who has a website called From Rome. He disapproved both of Pope Francis and the Covid vax. According to him, recently the Pope had started using a lot of cortisone which the brother believes may have given the Pope a heart attack.
https://www.fromrome.info
Just an aside: Vicar of Christ literally means “in place of Christ.” So, like Jewish rabbis claim THEY are the Torah, the Pope believes that you should listen to him over Christ.
The whole thing was a setup as far as covid goes. Italy made huge headlines early on in the crisis. Hearses and delivery trucks lined up at hospitals to take the covid dead away. It was all over the fake news.
Perfect place, the pope could get his jab directives out to Christians and ‘kind, not mean’ liberals everywhere. Suddenly it became ok to listen to the pope.
I fully trust that what you've laid out about the departed pope is true, so it seems right and just that he was "hoisted on his own pitard"..one less globalist to contend with
The timing of his announcement against genocide was uncanny.
Powerful story Jeff and am proud of you for posting this
Perfection from Jeff as expected.
Yes, it's braver than might be first imagined.
Yes, and good summary of his declining health over the last four years. That said, a man at 84 who has only one good lung has already far exceeded his average lifespan. So, I tend not to give much attention to people who die in their 80s who have been jabbed.
Now, people in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, even 60s…
If it was only about his lung I wouldn't give it much thought either but he was ravaged with many other physical issues. He was brainwashed like the millions that were so convinced that they were doing the right thing for all humanity by getting the shot. So sad!
You did not shy back at this difficult write up. It is accurate and honest.
Andrew Cuomo is being referred to the DOJ by, James Comer, chairman of the House Oversight Committee for lying to Congress regarding his COVID response with NY nursing homes. His response led to mass genocide of the elderly, by putting Covid infected patients into Nursing Homes. I pray the DOJ goes after Cuomo with the vengeance that any mass murderer deserves.
Cuomo I heard is running for mayor of NYC-He has no shame.
There is no "standing" confessing Democrat with any shame.
He's a Democrat. Shame is not in their worldview.
If we are talking rumors, I heard his mental capacity is diminishing like our former "president". I can't verify that, and it's only a rumor, but (1) that may keep him from becoming mayor, and (2) that may protect him from any vengeance for his crimes against humanity.
Would “anyone” put it past a “Cuomo” to FAKE a cognitive decline to avoid prison time? Me thinks NOPE — he’d FAKE it in a NY minute!!!
Yeah, well, there is that. He's only 67 or thereabouts, but that's no guarantee of a sound mind anymore.
https://nypost.com/2025/04/17/us-news/andrew-cuomos-mental-acuity-in-decline-nyc-cant-afford-another-joe-biden-moment-rival-says/
What about Gretchen Whitmer of MI and the cadre of other terrible governors who did the same thing during Covid with nursing homes? That lying witch has her sights set on a presidential run. These people have no humility or shame whatsoever. And the people here in MI just looove her. It’s utterly stomach churning.
Patient little grasshopper….one by one, they all will have their own shining spotlight.
I sure hope you are right Carlos.
So far no disappointment at all, actually to much to handle every day…..for whatever reasons I can’t follow everything that happens every day and my C&C daily doses helps me to catch up.
I think I need a big low firm staff to be able to catch up.
I really don’t know or understand how Jeff can do it, but praise GOD for His blessings of having you all.
Agreed! It’s almost all consuming just to keep up with everything happening and I can’t fathom how Jeff does it either and then how he concises it all down in such a thoughtful way for all of us. It must be God inspired!
I’ve always thought of myself as quite capable but lately sometimes i can barely become productive by midday. 😅
Agreed a 100%
She is revolting, can't stand her.
Yep, Inslee did it in Washington state as well.
He built internment camps as well, for the ones who refused the jab. Omicron came along, everyone got it, and made it impossible for him to lock us refusers up. Praise to God for that!
But will anything happen? Likely just more theater.
I think we may get a surprise on this one. Just look at what happened to Menendez and his wife! Both going to prison. For different reasons than Cuomo, but justice is appearing a little bit here and there.
I don’t believe it was Covid infected patients in nursing homes, I believe it was the flu shots, Covid shots, “treatments” and lack of care in nursing homes because families weren’t able to come in.
My grandmother died in January 2020 and before she died, my aunts complained that they weren’t feeding her… she would only get fed when my aunt went in and fed her.
Your grandma should never have passed under those circumstances, nor anyone's loved ones. They neglected her and pushed jabs into her tender body. The stress on your family and grandma was exceedingly great no doubt. I am truly forlorn about your grandma. Grandmas are beyond special and gifts from God.
I agree with you Jacqueline. Such a tragedy about your grandmother. I'm sure there are many others who suffered the same treatment.
I’m ready for the arrests and punishment portion of the program because people won’t stop until there is some punishment and accountability. People need to be publicly held accountable. Next phase now
Good!
CO Gov Jerad Polis is our Cuomo as well as other Dem Govs doing same based on Health Dept. "guidance"...always a barrier to their decisions
He’s small fry compared to fauci. We need to get fauci.
Jeff, this is an outstanding post. I doubt very much that we will read such a truthful and perceptive account elsewhere.
More truth about Frankie:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qm9Oz3CIBRKQ
Thank you so very much, Jeff, for laying out that whole timeline. How frightening. And once again I am conscious of how blessed I am, and my husband as well. And one daughter and her husband. Everyone else we know took the d...d thing.The Presbyterian Church USA was also on the "vax train", on its website advising pastors that they should not help congregational members seeking exemptions.
All taking the covid money 💰 like judas.
El Gato Malo's post today concerns the demise of the select academic institutions. Which will be replaced by something new and vibrant (see Palantir's merit program). I suspect that the Church as we've known it will suffer also--as those whom it pushed into taking the jab are/will be departing from this world, and those who didn't succumb to the pressure, disgusted by what the Church supported, walk away from it.
Confessional Lutheran churches did not push the vax. They left it up to individual discretion. (I'm sure the liberal Evangelical Lutheran Church in America--the ELCA--did.) My pastor didn't take the shot himself and wrote many a letter for employees trying to get a religious exemption, including my husband. He even wrote them for some Catholics who came to him for help.
The ELCA churches most definitely pushed the vax, masks, social distancing, while (at least in my church) there were three pastors and up to eight lay people in the church at one time recording services. Public was not allowed. The idiots pushed me back to the Catholic Church where they at least understood the importance of the sacraments and worshipping in person.
In San Francisco, Masses were remote for quite awhile but some of that (not all) had to do with our idiot governor keeping the state closed
Washington as well. The snake Inslee always emulating Newscum.
Yes, I know the situation in WA was quite bad.
That’s quite a testimony, I’m better for having read it. Nice to be Catholic with you. 😊
The American Episcopal Church really pushed it but, as many people know, they are extremely liberal. At Grace Cathedral in San Francisco, worshipers were not just required to wear a mask, but to have taken the vaccine. Even the Catholic churches didn't go that far.
We couldn't understand why just about all of our highly educated, believing friends fell for the jab pressure. There was no way we were going to take some experimental, never been used before on humans "shot" anyway, but the whole "no jab-no job" tactic was just too "Revelations-no one will be able to buy or sell, save he have the Mark," for us. None of that aspect of the covid madness made sense, until I read Megan Basham's book, "Shepherds for Sale." It was quite eye opening. In it she lists all the religious organizations that took covid money to spread the government's propaganda.
Note: Just about everyone in our circle of church-friends has some new-onset or exacerbated health issue - Parkinson's, trigeminal neuralgia, bone cancer and prostate cancer (although not turbo), changes in epilepsy, ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease, and a few "died suddenlies".
Mrs. "the Knife"
In my circle of church ladies you cannot discuss the vaxx. They change the subject or deflect by saying everyone is entitled to their opinion and should pray. Yep. I remember when I was told my opinion was wrong and not very good. They avoided contact with me because of my unvaxxed status. So a lot of church goers will have to figure out how to deal with taking the vaxx and their behavior during the scamdemic.
The irony for me, is that, having thrice succumbed to unpleasant, and long-lived, shedding experiences, I avoid being with anyone whose vax status I don't know. That means, currently, my husband, one old friend, and daughter and SIL in Ontario. It's a quiet life I lead.
Yes, it's a shame, but I believe "we ain't seen nothin' yet", e.g.:
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/what-weve-learned-from-a-year-of?utm_source=publication-search
Yes, I regularly read Mid-Western, and particularly appreciate his (and Dr. Kory's) work investigating this business. It was kind of you to send the link in case I was unaware.
Indeed, me too, and I'm fascinated by Kory's history of Chlorine Dioxide and other oxidative therapies, their pioneers and subsequent persecution, scrubbing, suppression, and and at least in some cases, assassinations!
So glad you sent the link, because when I re-read the post I realized I had not read the whole piece back in January—andso missed seeing that one of my own experiences was listed!
Yikes! My condolences...
Well actually, I saw that was number two of my three.....
🙋🏻♀️ Kinda
ditto.
Consider yourself fortunate enough and part of the remanned.
Praise GOD for the wisdom that he gave us and now look at us.
The pure blooded….a testimony to TRUST IN THE LIVING GOD.
NOT BY MIGHT BUT BY FAITH.
And try to tell them about Dr Makis and the others touting Iver and Fenben. They’ll run away looking like the figure in that Evard Munch painting.
The Scream!
Yep, fitting title.
I figured it was the government ploy: shut down the churches. Then with offerings no longer coming in, financial stress arrives. Govt comes in with “Nice little 501C3 you’ve got there, pity if…..”, and suddenly a grant arrives in exchange for vax push?Yes, the Revelation prophecy was just too frightening. With Neuralink showing up at the same time. Re folks you know "coming down sick"--my little brother was very recently diagnosed with dementia. He turned 70 just 11 days ago. I know that my two older brothers took it--one stopped at two, the other even went to boosters (but I believe I convinced him to go no further last summer). I assume the youngest one is all jabbed up, haven't received confirmation. Learned last night that my dear friend took jabs and boosters.
There are a lot of highly educated people who fall into the trap of "you have to trust other highly educated/credentialed people". "Trust the Experts" is a _really_ common thing amongst the educated - and I speak as one who definitely fell into that camp. "Get a flu shot" - okay. "Take these pills" - yup. "Global warming is real" - waitaminute... :)
But really - it's not too uncommon for those who are educated to think "these people are also educated, just in a different field - they must know more than me in that field".
I read about a CIA experiment and they used 25 people and the shape of a triangle. They told 23 people to say they saw a square not a triangle, leaving the other 2 out of the loop. After the 23 said square, the two others knew they saw a triangle but went along with the group of 23. CIA Proving that they could get people to not believe what they were actually seeing. Don't seek the solace of the group, critical thinker will alway win out.
Is that what’s called
“elitism”? I live with an elitist. It’s quite the conundrum.
So happy for you that you awakened.
Just about every week my little First Baptist Church has another member pass away and our prayer list for members continues to grow. No one gets better.....
Oh, so very sad.
Dr. Dobson from FOCUS on the FAMILY pushed it. I wrote him not 1 but 2 scathing letters and told them
to remove me from their mailing list.
Exactly — as the ONLY one in my family (besides my sister) who didn’t do the jab-thing, I find it very peculiar that my FNL has cancer, his brother has blood cancer, SNL’s sisters (both) have cancer, our best friends both have cancer…and the common denominator with each and every one of them…yup, they’re all jabbed multiple times. I could go on and on with examples of peculiar cancers and heart/stroke issues, but I’d wear out my keyboard — so…!
VVV, I have a feeling that in this case you were blessed because you used God’s wonderful gifts of common sense and rational thinking. There were too many things about these jabs and the people surrounding them that just didn’t add up to any good outcome. Brava!
My residual from the covid fiasco continues to be a sadness (and if I’m truthful, also anger and sometimes disgust) at how many people not only willingly got the jabs but were negative towards those of us who did not. I thought I was pretty realistic about how the world worked - at least in Western Civilization - and about human behavior but I was not. I’m still trying to look at this as any new realization helps us along life’s journey. But I feel a burden (disappointment) now I didn’t feel before and I wish I did not.
Same for me FF.
Agree 💯
"I thought I was pretty realistic about how the world worked - at least in Western Civilization - and about human behavior but I was not..."
That is how people felt after WWII, when they discovered the Nazi holocaust, I think.
What was so shocking to the world about that holocaust, it seems, was that it happened in a western, "civilized" country. Everyone knew that more primitive people have engaged in genocidal attacks since pre-literate times. Most believed that humans had reached a better level of civilizational awareness in the 20th century. Not only was the Nazi campaign against Jews (and gypsies, and doubtless there would have been others had they not been stopped) genocidal, but it was done at a modern industrial scale with modern tools.
Evil does not rest in this world. It is a shapeshifter, with an infallible sense for weak points. A better version of civilization won't protect us. The promise Christ brings is that, through faith and devotion, evil need not rule, and we shall be redeemed, again and again if necessary, by a loving God.
Artemis, thank you for such a thoughtful and also beautiful reply.
I’m well acquainted with the horrors of the Holocaust and think I chalked it up to the Teutonic mindset to follow orders. We, as Americans, have always been the independent thinkers, willing to go against established view if it didn’t make sense and unwilling to bow to pressures of a feudal system that didn’t allow for the meritocracy that helped to make our country so great. We have been somewhat ornery culturally but in a good way. So I was astounded at the herd mentality that took over during covid and, for the first time, I could understand how the Holocaust could have happened. Yes, evil seeks weak points and, sadly, there were many.
Reading C&C and others has given me a glimmer of hope that there are more of us willing to fight than I had at first thought. So thank you for the reminder.
"We have been somewhat ornery culturally but in a good way."
Yes. I find myself wondering often these days what happened to the pioneer spirit, the willingness to embrace risk in search of improvements, to think and stand independently, to assume self-reliance, to be uppity (and noisy) towards settled structures, like the old European arrangements, and toward authority.
Maybe nothing has illustrated the changes in thought and attitude in the country better than the covid episode. But maybe it also revived some of those old attitudes too, reminded many of us how important they have been to our well being and strength. Like you, I find it gratifying to see others rising to the occasion, challenging official doctrines, finding each other, seeking alternative paths. I hope that spirit continues to grow.
Aryenis, (sorry - spell check must have gotten me last time!) -
Again, I am so appreciative of these exchanges. How thoughtful you are and what a joy! Thank you.
And appreciative of your using "Brava (a). Sadness indeed, and I pray for them--not nearly as often as I do for Mr. Trump and his chosen administration. Which I try to do daily.
Oh, of course. Having spent a year of college in Italy will do that.
You’re a better person than I am. I pray for Trump and the good people he’s chosen to help him lead and for other people, family and friends. But I can’t say that I spend time on the others. I, sadly, have much room for improvement.
Do not we all?
I rejected the idea that a pastor, priest, or pope had any say over my religious convictions. When I was facing requirements for jab or religious exemption, I researched alternative explanations people were using other than fetal tissue research just in case I got pushback. I ended up explaining that as a Christian, I’m forbidden from worshipping false idols, and that the covid jab was being worshipped like an idol.
Ironically, I had privileges at two hospitals. One just asked me to state that I was requesting a religious exemption, and they granted it without further questions. The other, which is a Catholic hospital, asked many invasive questions, and had me list people who would attest to my deeply held beliefs. It also listed bullet point statements like “ I acknowledge that I am putting myself and others at risk…”. I signed of course, but acknowledged that I am signing that the hospital is requiring me to sign these statements, but not agreeing to these statements.
I was blissfully unaware of this. Though I am not Presbyterian, I did go to a very Presbyterian college and love the
Presbyterians. This explains why some of my closest friends blindly obliged jabs.
It's PCUSA which is totally liberal. The PCA is conservative. Not conservative enough for me but much better than PCUSA which largely apostate although not all PCUSA are such.
PCUSA is liberal, PCA more conservative, OPC (Orthodox Presbyterian) more conservative and Vanguard Presbyterian more conservative yet. Presbyterian isn’t a doctrine so much as a method of ecclesiastical polity. It means elder ruled. The more conservative Presbyterian denominations abide by the Westminster Standards (catechism).
Well stated
Thank you Becky--I was not aware of the last and am now looking into it. Westminster Theological is practically in my backyard.
Exactly — as the ONLY one in my family (besides my sister) who didn’t do the jab-thing, I find it very peculiar that my FNL has cancer, his brother has blood cancer, SNL’s sisters (both) have cancer, our best friends both have cancer…and the common denominator with each and every one of them…yup, they’re all jabbed multiple times. I could go on and on with examples of peculiar cancers and heart/stroke issues, but I’d wear out my keyboard — so…!
Yep! Lots of my healthcare ‘friends’ I will use loosely as many don’t talk with me anymore have had dx of cancers. Autoimmune issues. One rare dx goes to one that was 110% against all vaccines till the Covid vaccine and she got LEM which is so rare. I’ve never in over 20 years seen a case and every time have to look it up. Sad. I’ve heard of so many deaths of healthcare workers that are in their 40’s my age in the last few years. Mostly cancers
Nearly all churches were on the vax FEARmongering train. I noted that they did not trust Jesus when put to the test and trusted 'the Science' instead.
I thought my little church was great, until the pastor told the congregation he got the jab. He never pushed it, but that was permission to get it. They also closed and forced us to wear masks to be considerate to others. I didn't go anymore. It is a struggle I still have. Our bodies are the church and not a building...the Bible says just that.
Why do we need to constantly inject ourselves (God's temple), especially children (Mt. 10:42 And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.”), with toxins containing barbaric cancerous aborted baby cells??? We were conditioned to do it!
Jesus told us and warned us which is why we need to beware of false prophets (children of the devil IMO) strategically placed in positions of power and even a lowly pastor. Test the spirits....
Agree 💯
Sad to know. I was raised in the Presbyterian denomination.
Me too. I don’t even know anymore what Presbyterian doctrine means or stands for other than Woke ideology. I left the Presbyterian church during its love affair with Angela Davis.
Me too, but the USA side is woke 😞
Life long Presbyterian. Strictly by the Book and PCA now for the last 30 years.
I ceased to attend, now, ten years ago.
The PCUSA has been lost for a very long time .
Exactly — as the ONLY one in my family (besides my sister) who didn’t do the jab-thing, I find it very peculiar that my FNL has cancer, his brother has blood cancer, SNL’s sisters (both) have cancer, our best friends both have cancer…and the common denominator with each and every one of them…yup, they’re all jabbed multiple times. I could go on and on with examples of peculiar cancers and heart/stroke issues, but I’d wear out my keyboard — so…!
Exactly — as the ONLY one in my family (besides my sister) who didn’t do the jab-thing, I find it very peculiar that my FNL has cancer, his brother has blood cancer, SNL’s sisters (both) have cancer, our best friends both have cancer…and the common denominator with each and every one of them…yup, they’re all jabbed multiple times. I could go on and on with examples of peculiar cancers and heart/stroke issues, but I’d wear out my keyboard — so…!
No surprise from PCUSA
Dr. Robert Jeffress at First Baptist Dallas even held vaccine clinics.
I attend a presbyterian church but never once heard them promoting the shots or even referencing them in general.
Perhaps, but how many christian denominations warned their parishioners NOT to take the vaxx? Silence was capitulation.
Dave--I hadn't considered that aspect. And it is powerful. Perhaps a way to discover one's new church connection?
Thank you, Jeff, for a boldly insightful article, one that goes where 95% of the media will never venture. And you stated truth without offending religious sensibilities.
Back when Pulitzer Prizes were worth something, this kind of writing would have been in the finals for an award. Well done, good and faithful servant!
I was speaking with a Pastor many years ago and he said something that has always stuck with me, "When we get to heaven, we might be surprised who is there with us... and even more surprised by who is *not* there..." No judgement here... we'll just have to wait and see.
Earlier as I scanned post in X I saw a number of quotes attributed to the Pope where he told people there is no Hell, you don't have to believe in God to go to Heaven and a few other similar statements.
He was a leftwing socialist yet people who claim to be conservative flocked to him. Very bizarre behavior if you ask me.
I know many Catholics who did not like him.
One of the reasons Pope Francis was so hostile toward the United States was because U.S. Catholics are among the most conservative anywhere in the world, and were often vocally opposed to his admonitions and edicts at every turn. If nothing else, he broke conservative Catholics of the fixation some of them have to be overly deferential toward the Popes power and prerogatives. This tendency is called "ultramontanism." The Pope only speaks "ex cathedra" (where he is presumed to speak "infallibly") very, very rarely. The last case was in 1950 when Pope Pius XII proclaimed The Assumption of Mary.
That was close to what Russ Douthat, a Catholic, wrote: "But just by creating that novel form of conflict, in which Catholics who had been accustomed to being on the same side as the Vatican found themselves suddenly crosswise from papal authority, Francis helped to demystify his office’s authority and undermine its most imposing claims.
That’s because the conservatives whose convictions he unsettled were the last believers in the imperial papacy, the custodians of infallibility’s mystique. And by stirring more of them to doubt and disobedience, he kicked away the last major prop supporting a strong papacy and left the office of St. Peter in the same position as most other 21st-century institutions: graced with power but lacking credibility, floated on charisma without underlying legitimacy, with its actions understood in terms of rewards for friends and punishments for enemies."
There has been more than one bad egg who has ascended to the papal throne, but the Church still abides.
The Church--the Church Militant, the invisible church, however you want to name it--includes more than those who consider the Pope the Vicar of Christ. It includes all those who believe in Christ as their Savior and trust only in Him for salvation. And yes, the gates of Hell shall not prevail against that Church.
As I put it (I'm Catholic):
"We are not a card-carrying Church."
However, it is clear that Christ established not JUST a spiritual Church, but Like Him, the Church is both corporeal (visible) AND spiritual (supernatural...beyond nature).
Catholics also OUGHT to be taught the true role of the papacy. It is important. It *is* to be Christ's presence among us. It is the one who has His keys to the Kingdom (like Joseph was given authority over Egypt...like the role of the steward in Is 22). Catholic catechesis has been quite lacking for decades now. But it's actually starting to return strongly. Look at the 20-somethings....especially men...right now. They're on fire.
But being pope isn't a guarantee of holiness. The pope still also has freewill. And he can use it poorly. Like all of us.
In the US, we still live under a form of clericalism, unfortunately. But those who WANT to know - to learn - it's very easy.
I find that many in the US are too "comfortable" and therefore don't bother looking / seeking / finding.
The Mystical Body of Christ.
It's terribly wounded, with some toes and fingers suffering from gangrene, but the lifeblood still flows and healing is still possible.
I have always called Russ Douthat ***-hat but he does know a few things.
And, big surprise, he was wrong about that too...
Did you see the clip of Nancy Pelosi saying the Pope had asked her to pray for him and now she would be praying to him (the Pope not God)? I'm not Catholic so I really cannot relate to praying to a man, dead or alive. And the Pope is referred to as his holiness. Only God is holy. From a protestant perspective, we would understand that both those actions would be offensive to God.
She prays to her vodka and money
Worship of money and power.
Leviathan & jezabel spirits
Definitely not a spirit which would honor God.
Piggy Pelosi will see Frankie again soon...
They will both be broiling in hellfire.
Catholics don’t pray TO a saint or a deceased family member, they ask FOR prayers from the saint or family member they hope is in heaven and can pray to God with them. In no way do they believe the saint or person answers prayers, it’s as if you ask a church member here on earth to pray for you. The only difference is they are in heaven and the church member is still here on earth.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
Thank you for clarifying that you don't pray to the person in heaven. I still do not agree with it so we will have to agree to disagree. But again, thanks for clarifying your position.
Do you ask friends on earth to pray for you? If so, you’re doing the same thing. So you are in agreement if so…
For protestants, once the person has passed away, we have no communication with that person until we are also in heaven. It's a foreign concept for us ask someone who has passed way to intercede on our behalf; but we do ask Christians that we know to pray for us just as Paul asked those in the churches he planted to pray for him.(II These.3:1-3; Col. 4:2; Eph. 6:19) I don't see any example of Paul or the other Apostles praying to someone who had passed away.
Philippians is the text that I am currently studying and Paul in Philippians 4:6-7 says we are to make our requests to God. "Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."
And John in I John 5:14 "In the secret, quiet place, this is the confidence we have before Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us."
Asking for intercession from anyone in heaven other than the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit, is completely foreign to us. In the Protestant perspective, they have entered their rest and they have no more communication with this world.
Being taught in adulthood as a Protestant, I'm unaware of a biblical basis for this type of praying. I hope my asking isn't offensive.
No not offensive at all! It just seemed like you wanted to dismiss, but I was trying to understand, which your next response clarified what I’ve always wondered. And this is a clarification question too 😊: with that understanding that those who have gone before us are at their rest and you don’t communicate with them, do you ever feel them with you after death? I’ve definitely felt my loved ones with me after they have died and it’s hard to put into words, but I knew it was them and not God. It’s difficult to believe they aren’t still with us in a different way, a more glorified way.
I have had people share those same sentiments with me. I know that we long for the presence of our loved ones and my own heart aches for my mother who died two years ago. We had spent so much time together over the last 10 years of her life due to her health. Our emotions and feelings are very powerful, but based on Biblical texts, I do not believe they are with us, but rather with the Lord.
I do believe that God wants us to depend on Him alone and that's why throughout the Bible Old and New Testament God proclaims that He will never leave us nor forsake us. Also, based on all of the biblical references to heaven, I believe that God wants us to look forward to reuniting with our loved ones who have gone before us. Paul says in Philippians that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord and he encourages the church by reminding them that our citizenship is in heaven and Jesus Himself tell us that He is going to prepare a place for us.
Paul also says in 2 Corinthians 1 that God will comfort us (3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 4 who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God). I'm thankful for all of the ways God has comforted me over the years through His presence and through the promises given in His Word. 🩷
I'll be in and out today so if I do not reply for a while, please excuse any delay. I'm not ignoring you. 🙂
Take everything Nancy Pelosi says about being Catholic with an enormous grain of salt. That women hasn’t practiced her faith in awhile I suspect…
In the Torah it says a number of times "be holy as I am holy."
Yes. Christ also repeats this in in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5:48. Prior to Jesus admonition to be perfect, He preaches the Beattitudes and addresses heart issues. God knew none of us could be holy (Romans 3:23 There is none righteous, no not one) that's why Christ had to come to live a perfect life and die on the cross to be the perfect sacrifice to pay for our sins.As Isaiah 64:6 says, "And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment." I'm so thankful that in Christ I am righteous because I am a new creation and I have His righteousness. Paul repeats this same premise in Philippians 3 7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, 9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11 in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
I Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. 18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
And I thank God that I know that I am a sinner saved by His grace through faith in the atoning work of Christ on the cross and that because He loved me first, I can love Him in return.
I am hoping she just used imprecise language. She could mean that since she believes him to be in heaven, she can ask him for intercession like we do when we ask others here on earth to pray for us.
That's a very foreign thought process for protestants. From Hebrews we learn that Jesus is our great high priest who intercedes for us that that we can boldly go before the throne.
Hebrews 4:14 14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. 16 Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
And in Romans we learn that the Holy Spirit intercedes on our behalf.
Romans 8:26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
In Protestant circles, we do pray for one another and for ourselves because we are told to do so by Scripture throughout the gospel and the epistles; therefore, we see it as God commanding us to pray and we know that He hears our prayers. However, we don't see a call in Scripture or any need to go to or through any imperfect human who may be in heaven when we have access to THE FATHER through His perfect Son, Jesus Christ, and the perfect Holy Spirit.
When Jesus was telling the disciples how to pray He said the following in Matthew: 5:5 “When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. 7 “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. 8 So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9 “Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name...."
Jesus didn't tell the disciples to pray to any person (dead or alive). He told them to pray to their Father in heaven. In Protestant circles, we consider the the Old Testament, New Testament Gospels, Epistles, and Revelation to have authority and we consider them be "God Breathed" 2 Tim 3:16.
Thank you for giving an account of the Truth of the Gospel with such clear, concise Biblical foundational quotes, Robin. Amen and Amen!🙏
Do you never ask others to pray for you or your intentions? That is what Catholics are doing when we ask those we believe to be in heaven to pray "for us." We aren't praying "to them." I know that this is a distinction not always made clear. Since we believe those in heaven are alive in Christ, they can intercede in a special way. That's all we really mean.
I'm very thankful that we all agree that prayer is necessary, helpful and effectual. (James 5:16) But isn't Christ's interceding and the Holy Spirit's interceding sufficient? Are Christ and the Holy Spirit not enough? Who knows man's heart better than God Himself (Jeremiah 17:10)? And who knows the will of God better than God Himself? Is there any reference in the New Testament that shows the need to pray to a person in heaven or instruction to do so? Just curious if there is a Scriptural basis for this. 🤔
And also thank you for engaging. me in conversation on this topic. I very much appreciate it.
I believed that until I saw a Catholic prayer book of prayers to Mary and a few other saints. Mary in particular had characteristics attributed to her that should only be used in reference to God: all-knowing, all-gracious, etc. I've also seen prayers to saints that say that if you say the prayer X number of times and send it to other people, you will get your prayer answered. Although the Book of Revelation says that the saints around the throne pray for us in a general way, there is no example of any of the apostles praying to the dead. It is not the same as asking your living friends or relatives to pray for you. As I mentioned above: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
Well, Mary WAS the ark of the New Covenant, so saying she is "all gracious" (i.e. "full of grace") doesn't strike me as controversial. I can't attest to the "all-knowing" label but perhaps it was speaking about her knowing about the suffering her son would endure. She did, after all, ponder things in her heart.
Do we not believe those who have risen with Christ are alive? Isn't that the point of the resurrection? To have new life in Christ and be with him in Heaven? They are more alive than we are here on earth.
Obviously, prayer to the saints has been the subject of much theological discussion over the years, and these comments can't do justice to our differences. I would just say a few things. God never promised to answer prayers to dead people. In fact, the one example in the Bible (Saul who wanted help from the deceased Samuel) didn't end well. On the other hand, the Bible is absolutely chockful of passages assuring us that God loves us, cares for us, and answers prayer through His Son, just like an earthly father wants to give all good things to his son. Martin Chemnitz, the greatest Lutheran scholar after Martin Luther and a master of the writings of the Early Church Fathers, wrote extensively about this in his Examination of the Council of Trent, Book 3. Among other church fathers, he cites St. Augustine: "More safely and happily I speak to my Jesus than to any one of the spirits of the saints of God." If you are willing to consider a different perspective that is contemporary, watch Dr. Jordan Cooper discussing the invocation of the saints: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxaDcwyjYomyKgFLfb312q9eFdPAcetdA God bless you!
She says it about 1:35 Here's the link:https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1914363032282779935
I also found it interesting that when asked about what Communion with the Pope meant to her and she said nothing spiritual. She just sounded like she was pleased to be seen with a famous person. 🤔
Conservative Catholics ‘offered it up’ and prayed to be secure in the knowledge that God is in control, we are not, He knows what he is allowing and why. We looked for some good in our representative leader, and prayed that God’s will be done on how long Pope Francis would be here.
And we ignored his shot recommendations completely because we know he is fallible when it comes to things like science and we are not compelled to follow him in those areas.
Yes. This is a very good point, Meg. The pope speaks infallibly only in very limited situations. He must be speaking either "ex cathedra" (i.e. from the seat of Peter) or in communion with long-standing ordinary magisterial teaching. These declarations are usually found in encyclicals (though not always). Also, infallibility only applies to matters of "faith and morals." He is not seen to be infallible (without error) when speaking about Covid shots, politics, immigration or the economy. He may have opinions and express them, but the faithful are not bound by them.
He was fallible in everything he said or did.
The churches standpoint on vaccines was the final straw for me. The Catholic Church has completely abandoned its stand on abortion, it’s okay to take the vaccines because the abortions were a long time ago? The church recently claimed ‘ the most vulnerable’ were immigrants and wants us to pressure our legislators to restore their billions of dollars. The church needs the money because so many Catholics have stopped supporting the church because of their stand on pedophilia, and the church uses collections to pay for the sins of the clergy. What a mess. I am Catholic but i am very conflicted about taking moral guidance from these people. As Anthony Stine says- pray for the church.
Look into Sedevacantism/Recusant. Vatican II was a ruptured with the past and a betrayal just as Christ was betrayed. The Church mirrors the life of Christ and is in the tomb awaiting resurrection.
More honest if instead of dressing it all up in a big BullSh-t, Latin-worded Bouquet, he'd just said; " Dear Faithful, Abortions give us Lemons, Vaccines give us Lemonade!"
You’re correct, but I can’t ‘like’ it.
As a catholic I despised him and had no trouble justifying my rejection of the vaccine as a practicing Catholic as there is longstanding doctrine in the church wherein one may hold values (such as rejection of using aborted fetal tissue) that is more stringent than that held by “the church” and still be a member in good standing. As long as one isn’t using such doctrine to justify actual sin there is very longstanding and well thought out argument available to all Catholics to reject papal decrees such as this evil man made. I’m praying that the cardinals make the right choice in the coming days so that I might actually start going back to church. As it is church is in my heart and deeds.
I hope you go back, too. Go back to the Eucharist. Make Christ, under the guise of bread, your devotion. Ignore the failings of men, even our clerics, and return to the One who sacrificed Himself for you. He is waiting for your and what joy you will know when in His presence.
I find it odd that for centuries the Catholic church forbad any type of birth control pill or such, but then found itself pushing the Covid jabs. Pretty ironic if you ask me!!
Agree, he was no JPII or Benedict. Unfortunately, I’ve heard he stacked the College of Cardinals with like-minded candidates, though. I’m hoping that there are enough that are sympathetic to Archbishop Vig and stayed quiet enough to fly below Francis’s radar. I don’t pretend to know exactly what’s going on, but I can only imagine that ol’ Frankie has some esplaining to do (as Desi said to Lucy) about that excommunicating him.
$5 says they pick a progressive negro.
Many times you have to actually go to the Vatican site to find out what the pope really said. The media skews a lot of what the Catholic Church puts out there. That being said, even there Pope Francis said some questionable things…
Truly, Secular Leftist Media always pushes for salacious and perverted stories on anything Vatican-Catholic-Christian; in their view--it isn't that Satanic Commies and occultists and pedos sought with intention to infiltrate the Church and priesthood, but that some intrinsic Puritanical Inhibition caused priests to abuse kids and then cover it all up to keep it going as long as possible. Same with Denver Archbishop NOT giving the radio Clown KOA "Journalist" Marty Lenz the answers he wanted when discussing the Pope. He kept pushing for answers affirming that Francis was an Intelligent Progressive modern activist liberal who was fighting MAGA-Catholicism in USA.
He was an old commie and a WEF puppet. I wonder what the next one will be?
Better, I hope, but I think anything could happen at this point.
I saw some of that too. Here's a quote from a 2018 Newsweek article.
"They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear," Pope Francis said, as translated by Catholic blog Rorate Caeli.
I don’t understand how he “won” the conclave - very concerning
Probably the same way John Roberts leapfrogged Scalia.
Jesus said that "by their fruit you will know them".
Considering the unbelievable contortions of the word of God and his deeds that go well beyond "regular" sins by this Pope, it should not be cold where he is now...
One of the Saints who visited Hell said that it was lined with the bones of priests. No one is exempt...
I think when we get there, we won’t notice who’s not there. Maybe.
As a Catholic, I didn't tell my employer I was Catholic. But I gave a religious exemption reason and it was accepted. When the Pope came out for it, I was convinced it would not be accepted and started looking for another job. Fortunately, my company was surprisingly reasonable.
Just because we Catholics have a head Bishop and Father of the Church doesn't mean we give up our own discernment.
Spot on Anthony.
I still am disgusted that almost NO doctors gave their patients Covid Vaxx certifications WITHOUT giving them the jabs... or giving them saline... if they needed the cert and did not want the jabs.
99.9% of MDs serve Big Pharma, NOT their patients.
There were doctors providing fake documentation but it was pretty risky though because how could you know for sure that someone wouldn’t turn you in?
Yes, it was risky... but more so than giving an uninformed patient a potentially devastating jab? A question of morality and decency... no?
If the doctors did just a small amount or research on the jabs... they would know like myself and many others that DID... that their were no safety tests done and that gene modification mRNA jabs had been REFUSED approval many times prior... and the number of unknowns was appalling...
And I would think that proving the Doc signed off on a jab cert without actually giving the jab... would be difficult... Oh well... what's done is done.
Glad to hear that, as the few Catholics I know still believe the pope is ‘god’.
How odd. I have never known any Catholics who thought any pope was "god". However, i have known a few Protestants who believed their pastor was sinless.
I don’t know what Catholics you might be talking to, but I don’t know if a single Catholic, who thinks the pope is God.
Um no. That’s not what we believe. If someone who happens to be catholic thinks that it is of their own misunderstanding of what the pope is and I’d posit they were not paying much attention in catechism class. I myself was there for the social aspects and usually spent much time goofing off but never came away thinking the pope was god or even that self pleasuring would make you go blind (even though a catechism teacher said that out loud once—to her great regret it turned out based on reactions to the statement at the time).
I believe when the Pope goes out in public the throngs of Catholics treat/act like he is G-D!!!
I need the hand-smacking-forehead emoji :)
Perhaps this stems from the idea that the Pope is infallible? I've asked about this because I was/am skeptical of Pope Francis. I think the general response I got to that inquiry is "well, that means this guy isn't really the Pope. There have been false Pope's in Church history."
What was more galling is how some Bishops took the Pope's direction and then prohibited priests from writing letters in support of exemptions. That happened in many places. It is an appalling act of abuse shown toward the sheep by their shepherds. I'm still waiting for a full-throated apology from the church and not some academic musings half-heartedly offered by the likes of Cardinal Timothy Dolan.
You'll keep waiting for that apology, unfortunately.
As a fellow catholic, I agree, but please let's pray for cardinal dolan. He saved my archdiocese from what seemed like almost-certain schism and I will always be so grateful. I try to remind myself that I don't know all the things he's up against and weighing in his decisions. I pray he is able to grow in holiness and do God's will.
That's fair, Andrea. They all need our prayers - now more than ever. What schism was the archdiocese facing??
I'm in Milwaukee. Weakland was earmarked by progressives to lead some sort of "American Catholic Church" schism when God stepped in and exposed weakland's scandals and brought in Dolan who was able to steer the dioscese gently and elegantly back from the tip of destruction. Our seminary is phenomenal now and we are healing.
Praise G-d! That is good news, indeed.
Pope Francis is the reason I no longer call myself a Catholic. My favorite hypocrisy from him was the demand for open borders - well, except for the Vatican.
Agree with this. Even attended Catholic school. Still searching to find another community that is more spiritual than secular
My prediction - the next pope will be elected on the basis of expanding their "market" into Africa. Money in the US and EU is drying up, they need to replace it.
Pretty skeptical, I know.
An African pope might be the best shot we have at restoring some orthodoxy. Cardinal Sarah would be amazing.
P.S. Come back home, Neil. Don't let any man be the barrier between you and the G-d who made you and loves you. Come back to the Eucharist.
Yes, I believe the congregants are wising up to the Catholic Leadership which is vastly different than the church. They need innocent new people to obtain their Vatican City wealth.
That makes a lot of sense. First ever black pope? Black black pope!
Find a good Bible believing non-denominational church. There are many out there.
Just make sure they’re not following the bogus Schofield “Bible” — which so many of the big evangelical churches are. They are responsible for travesties like this below.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-would-jesus-do/
How many didn’t close or also pimp the vaccines? Read “Shepards For Sale” for an eye opener.
See if there's a confessional Lutheran church in your area: https://issuesetc.org/findachurch/. Make sure it's not a congregation of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) which is ultra woke. My husband was Roman Catholic (and attended Catholic school) but converted to Lutheranism and is glad he did. The reformers did not intend to leave the Roman church but only wanted to reform it and take out the accretions and corruption that had accumulated over the first 1500 years. Unfortunately, Martin Luther was branded a heretic, and the rest is history. But Lutheran liturgical services are very similar to Catholic ones, as they took out only those prayers, etc. which contradicted what was in the Bible. Confessional Lutheran churches are also sacramental and believe that the true Body and Blood of Christ are present in the Lord's Supper. They are also very pro-life and did not push the jab.
Missouri Synod Lutherans, still the 1941 Hymnal?
Most Missouri Synod churches have transitioned to the Lutheran Service Book, which was published about 15 years ago. Some still use The Lutheran Hymnal of 1941. As a matter of fact, my congregation, which is a member of the American Association of Lutheran Churches (AALC), not Mo. Synod, uses The Lutheran Hymnal. I love it. I have one on my piano right now!
Good Bible believing, and teaching churches are out there. Look for churches that teach expositional-ly through the scripture. Look for pastors who sincerely believe God’s Word is the inspired word of God. Pray and seek a good body of believers - sinners coming together to worship a perfect God. They are out there!
Until you do, I would like to share our Pastor with you, grew up under communism so he often has a eye for truth we might miss. You can listen online to the Sunday messages and our solid bibles study classes as well. You can skip the music if it isn’t your cup of tea (yet it is focused on honoring and worshiping Christ even if not your style ) but do not miss the teaching! ♥️ 🙏🏼 Jesus bless you as you do not give up on gathering together as we are commanded to do 🤗♥️
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But avoid churches that espouse this:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-would-jesus-do/
God bless you. I pray the Holy Spirit will lead you to a church/community where you will thrive.
No group is perfect, but gather in God's name ad that is church.
🙏🏼 it's hard and you will likely have to travel. Particular Baptist?
Here in England I'd recommend 'Anglo-Catholic'. Possibly worth looking for in the US.
Neil, that’s sad. Jesus gave us the Catholic Church. He sent the Holy Ghost to be with Her until the end of time. Come back to Her. Bergoglio left the Church. He was an heretic, he excommunicated himself. Our Church will endure, that was Jesus’ promise ⚔️
Yes but humans run it and they can be and are corrupt. Not all but many. And that can be said of anything pretty much. I could tell you stories about the Lutheran church and school I attended.......
Jesus Christ gave the catholic church (note the small 'c') which in Latin means 'universal'. Within the church their are many branches. Such as Eastern Orthodox and it's many sub branches, Protestants and it's many sub BRANCHES and the RCC.
In all these churches there are true and false; those who are Christ's chosen and those who are of the devil. Because God is love, He doesn't exclusively operate in one church only. In fact, if your church teaches that you should look for another.
That is so not true. Rome and pagans gave the catholic church. Yeshua was, is and always will be a Hebrew in the original faith. HIS followers were call "Followers of the WAY". That was, is and will always be who they are. Believers in GOD the Father, HIS SPIRIT and HIS WORD who IS HIS SON and IS THE WAY.
Nope nope
Amen. Catholicism incorporated many pagan practices of the time into its rituals and traditions. It was also the Catholic church that propagated the myth that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. Pope Gregory on Sept. 14, 1591, gave a homily in Rome pronouncing that Mary Magdalene, Luke’s unnamed sinner, and Mary of Bethany were the same person and that the demons cast out of her signified her vices. Isn’t it interesting that although Scripture tells us of numerous accounts where Jesus cast demons out of people and healed them, it’s only this one woman who is accused of having a sinful past—as though her demon possession was the result of something she’d done wrong. There is absolutely no Scriptural basis to identify Mary Magdalene as a prostitute or public sinner having a “questionable past,” yet this belief has persisted due to centuries-old statements made by Pope Gregory.
Double nope to you too and yes of course Mary of magdala was not a prostitute. She was at the foot of the cross and with the women who found the empty tomb. Catholics have always taught that. Stop talking crap
Are you familiar with the Magdalene Laundries?
I had to step back and detach what I was taught and trust God's Word.
We can only trust Jesus and trust no man. They can forgive nothing. Only Jesus was perfect and suffered to pay the price for sin to forgive us. That was key for me.
The Catholic Church of Rome combined paganism with the Bible and so did the Israelites back in the OT and they both still do.
Our ornately designed bodies are the church, not an ornate building of man's design. Would Jesus appreciate the massive churches built in His name?
The Pope is not the "Catholic Church"--he is a fallible human being. There are many faithful and Holy men and women in the Church, who are still human and fallible. I don't go to Mass because I'm perfect, but because I know I am a sinner who needs Jesus and the graces I receive from Him in the Eucharist. I follow Jesus...and respect the clergy insofar as their office of anointed ones.
Beautifully said, Julie.
At the end of the day, Francis was just a man, and a flawed one at that. Even Peter denied Jesus three times. This doesn't mean Francis won't be held to account. In fact, he will be held to a higher standard given the responsibilities he was given while on earth. I pray for him because I know I will need prayers too.
The Catholic Leadership is vastly different than the Church members, thank goodness.
I am not Catholic but married into a Catholic family. After my MIL and FIL passed away, my husband’s siblings devolved into progressivism, no longer attending church, even for Christmas Eve masses. My husband left the church not long after we married and joined the Lutheran Church. I was surprised when my ultra Liberal SIL, who lives in Cali, put a stylized picture of the pope on social media early yesterday announcing his death and asking him to watch over them. Apparently, though as far as I know she isn’t a practicing Catholic, she liked this pope.
Wow, interesting. I think your SIL tells us everything we need to know about the secularism of this pope
Your SIL probably does not see the incongruous nature of “gays for Gaza” either.
I understand turning your back on the church. When I was called to go back to church I did not want to attend at my local parish where I’d been a parishioner for 40 years. But that’s where God wanted me and that’s where I ended up. It was empty. Sunday Mass was maybe one quarter full. I knew I needed to stay there and pray for the church. The Catholic Church is very far from its mission, to save souls, but I realize that I need to pray. God will take care of his church.
I pray that our next Pope pursues, in earnest, the salvation of souls.
My dad’s not perfect either, but we’re still family.
I appreciate that. My father never worked against my best interests.
I say this as someone who takes very personally Francis's attacks on the TLM community: I try to remember that Francis grew up in an extremely corrupt country which shaped his formation and likely influenced many of his political and economic views. I really wish he had focused MORE on sanctifying the Church and bringing the lost sheep home, but he apparently felt called elsewhere. Either way, he now awaits his judgment.
We think alike.
I have a feeling the next Pope will be even worse than this one. The devil knows that God won but he won't stop having tantrums and is going to keep trying to lead so many more astray. I am so blessed He left the 99 and came for me. I pray that so many who are lost and scared find strength and repent and find the Lord before it is too late.
I dont know about that...the 3 powerful "cities" that are in countries but are separate entities, Washington DC, London, and the Vatican, were /are being destroyed by evil. We've gotten rid of the impostor, fighting DC swamp everyday, forging our way forward, the Vatican is in disarray also, but now has a chance to change direction and battle evil....London is a disaster but hopefully change is coming for them soon...they're trying...
They cannot do better as they are imposters and imposers. It might LOOK better than last time but just because one Pope appears more morally good doesn't mean He knows God. The Pope's position is that of Christ's. The Pope is a usuper! He is, they all are damned. They lead ppl away just as the Pharisees did. They are pretenders. Catholicism is a cult. It seems to me that Catholics don't really know their true history or even their own church doctrine. Catholic dogma has dictated history just like Democrats.
Please stop. This is disrespectful to the many, many Catholics reading this Substack. I'm sure any one of us would be happy to discuss church teaching with you beginning with Patristics and working through the Catechism. We can talk about Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. We could talk about the biblical roots of the Mass and the parallels between the Old Testament and the New Testament and why we believe what we believe. We can talk about how the Scripture which is used by all mainline, Trinitarian churches is the canon decreed by the Church.
I find that when Christians of good will engage in dialogue, we have much more in common than what separates us. Given the state of the world, the rise of secularism, Islam and other forces, Christians should think long and hard before dismissing fellow believers.
I'm sorry that you are not willing to investigate the truths of what I say. I will never deny the truths of Christ as He has spoken of Himself nor stop warning all who engage in false worship, a false Jesus and a false representative in the Pope or in Mary. Yes indeed those who design your slavery spew compelling twists of truth. I'm not dismissing fellow believers I'm warning of worship and honor of a false god.
Francis has appointed most of the cardinals so it’s not looking good. The church sees US funding as their answer so they are doubling down to get the funding restored.
And stop worshipping men who make promises, using God's Name, that are lies.
This! If only people revered God and His Son with the same devotion they give to a pope …
Sadly they believe that they do. But the Christ they believe in isn't the Christ as He revealed Himself in His Book, the autobiography.
Double sigh. We believe in G-d incarnate who came to us in the infant Jesus at Bethlehem. Please refer to the Apostle's Creed for a simple statement of our beliefs:
𝘐 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘎-𝘥, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘭𝘮𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵𝘺, 𝘊𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘏𝘦𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘯 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘌𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘩.
𝘈𝘯𝘥 𝘪𝘯 𝘑𝘦𝘴𝘶𝘴 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵, 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘰𝘯𝘭𝘺 𝘚𝘰𝘯, 𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘓𝘖𝘙𝘋. 𝘏𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘤𝘦𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘥 𝘣𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘏𝘰𝘭𝘺 𝘚𝘱𝘪𝘳𝘪𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘣𝘰𝘳𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘝𝘪𝘳𝘨𝘪𝘯 𝘔𝘢𝘳𝘺. 𝘏𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳 𝘗𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘶𝘴 𝘗𝘪𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘦, 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘤𝘳𝘶𝘤𝘪𝘧𝘪𝘦𝘥, 𝘥𝘪𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘣𝘶𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘥.
𝘏𝘦 𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘳𝘥 𝘥𝘢𝘺, 𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘰𝘴𝘦 𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯. 𝘏𝘦 𝘢𝘴𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘰 𝘏𝘦𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘯 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘎-𝘥, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘍𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳, 𝘢𝘭𝘮𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵𝘺. 𝘍𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘩𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘫𝘶𝘥𝘨𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘥.
𝘐 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘏𝘰𝘭𝘺 𝘚𝘱𝘪𝘳𝘪𝘵, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘏𝘰𝘭𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘤 𝘊𝘩𝘶𝘳𝘤𝘩, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘶𝘯𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘚𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘴, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘨𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘴, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘭𝘪𝘧𝘦 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘭𝘢𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨.
𝘈𝘮𝘦𝘯.
The Holy Catholic Church that is neither Biblical nor has the authority it claims. They damn anyone who is not part of them and they hold to beliefs that are very clearly stated in the Bible, easy enough for a child to understand, that are directly wrong.
You may but believe that you worship the Pope but He IS the Christ representative of all Catholics by virtue is the fact that they still hold Jesus on the cross though they give lip service to resurrection but that Christ must still be dead because they needed a Pope, who most Catholics despise, can't seem to believe that Christ can actually reign, in physical and Spiritual form over the Earth or over His own church.
Sigh. We don't worship the pope. Worship is due to one being only - G-d. That's it. We don't worship the pope. We may revere and respect him, but we don't offer sacrifice to him.
Don't offer sacrifice? I am very interested to hear what your definition of sacrifice is.
Me too Barbara.
Would it not be something if the AntiChrist became the next Pope uniting all countries and men? You will see me leaving skid marks to go live in a hidden cave someplace!
Might be my pre-Tribulation rapture view showing here, but I'd argue there will be no need for any follower of Christ to leave skid marks to go live in a hidden cave someplace when antichrist is revealed...we will already be taken up to be with Him ahead of those most horrible 7 years of the Great Tribulation, the time of Jacob's trouble.
Absolutely agree. I’ve just been through a five month study of the book of Revelation and Christians will not be ruled by the antichrist. What is the most shocking to me? Is that during the tribulation which is horrific people will still reject Jesus.
I believe 1st Thessalonians explains this phenomenon; A great Delusion will come over the people and they will not be able to come out from under it.
I actually talk about the "Strong Delusion" in my dissertation on Revelation. Follow me to read the full piece when I complete it. Here is an except. It's ok if you don't agree. That's why this took along to write, it's a complicated topic! :)
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The Saints = Saved everywhere else in the Bible. Why not in Daniel and Revelation?
Revelation 13:7
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Again, this seems to imply there are people on the Earth still who ARE written in the book of life, otherwise why mention them? And of course, it is telling that Revelation records: “Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” However, the argument is often made that these people are “Tribulation Saints” (in other words, people left behind after the rapture who are converted and therefore fulfill the criteria of “saints” even though the Church has been raptured). However, I believe The Bible indicates this cannot be the case…
The fullness of the Gentiles
2 Thessalonians tells us unbelievers will be sent “strong delusion” by God Himself when the Antichrist is revealed (3.5 years in) - for the express purpose that they “should be damned” because they “believed not the truth”.
2 Thessalonians 2:8–14
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
I have always wanted to do a study too but that is not my take when I read this book. Do you have a specific passage that may help with my understanding since you just finished your study? Thanks P.
I have done an in depth study on Revelation that I'm almost ready to publish here on Substack. It will certainly have some views you may not have heard of. However, all my assertions are carefully supported by Scripture (why it's taken so long to complete).
Follow me to read it when it comes out.
God bless you! :)
I actually am finishing a very through discussion on the timing of the rapture. Follow me to read the full piece when I complete. Here is an except. It's ok if you don't agree. That's why this took along to write, it's a complicated topic! :)
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The Saints = Saved everywhere else in the Bible. Why not in Daniel and Revelation?
Revelation 13:7
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Again, this seems to imply there are people on the Earth still who ARE written in the book of life, otherwise why mention them? And of course, it is telling that Revelation records: “Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” However, the argument is often made that these people are “Tribulation Saints” (in other words, people left behind after the rapture who are converted and therefore fulfill the criteria of “saints” even though the Church has been raptured). However, I believe The Bible indicates this cannot be the case…
The fullness of the Gentiles
2 Thessalonians tells us unbelievers will be sent “strong delusion” by God Himself when the Antichrist is revealed (3.5 years in) - for the express purpose that they “should be damned” because they “believed not the truth”.
2 Thessalonians 2:8–14
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
My arguments are all pulled from Scripture and much more through than I make in a comment unfortunately.
Anyways. God bless you!
Thank you for sharing this. The more I delve into the Bible, the more confusing it is in some parts. And to think it all started with an apple.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-would-jesus-do/
What passages does it say that specifically in Revelation?
It doesn't say it explicitly but it can be presumed. However, I do not believe it is the case. I think the "Post Trib/Pre Wrath" rapture is correct. I was a longtime pretribber though.
I wrote a very through dissertation on it. Follow me to read it when it's completed and decide for yourself!
My sister and brother in law, both Catholic, got exemptions at their workplaces using the religious exemption, due to the fetal cells, and, thank goodness, didn't listen to the Pope.
"Frequently people let themselves be influenced by the ideology of the moment, often bolstered by baseless information or poorly documented facts,"
Sadly and interestingly, the Pope was talking about himself and the other’s who bought into covid
The irony in that quote was pretty amazing.
Pneumonia, heart attack, & stroke. I am not surprised. It was by God’s Grace that he attended the Easter celebration.
I'm a practicing Catholic. I need to speak up. This bergoglio ("pope" francis') was not a real pope anymore than biden was a real president - both of them being installed to undermine humanity, basic human rights in profoundly evil ways. The CCP has paid billions of dollars (2 billion a year) to the Catholic church in order to infiltrate and destroy it. Yesterday there was supposed to be over a million "heart broken" Catholics wailing over his death at the Vatican. If you look at video of the Vatican all day yesterday you will see the few tourists and others going about their business as usual, no crying, wailing, gnashing of teeth. If you watched the corrupt, unethical news media, they absolutely fawned over their new "saint" and how he did such great deeds like welcoming abortion, transgenders, lgbt nut jobs and of course covid and climate change into a faith which has had very clear teachings on their moral, ethical and physical prohibitions for 2000 + years. Who am I to judge, he stated, my retort is are not all of those judgements??? The vast majority of the Catholic faithful are celebrating the death of this faux "pope", I'm one of them. Let him stand to be Judged.
But we have a bigger problem, he and his likely successor Cardinal parolin, current Vatican Sec of State and who was responsible for the deal with the CCP which installed begoglio, have worked feverishly to fill the seats of the Cardinals with people of similar moral bankruptcy. It will take a miracle for one of bergoglio's followers (not Christ's) not to be seated as the next pope. Thankfully, we have God and Jesus, their Will be done. To understand the truth better please look at the top three posts on Archbishop Vigano's X page: https://x.com/CarloMVigano .
As for the covid pLandemic, we now have more information about how fake it actually was, again in order to murder people to cause world wide lockdowns and subjugation of our basic human rights, and the coup de'tat of President Trump in 2020:
"BREAKING — Nearly Half of “COVID-19 Deaths” Were Not Due to COVID-19, New Study Finds": https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/breaking-nearly-half-of-covid-19
"Grok and ChatGPT now both agree: COVID vaccine harms > benefits": https://kirschsubstack.com/p/grok-and-chatgpt-now-both-agree-covid
PLease recall that bergoglio was a huge advocate for the death shots.
I too am a practicing Catholic, and I agree fully with your assessment. I never saw Francis as Pope. Of course, I grew up with JPII - an impossible act to follow. I knew when Benedict stepped down - or was forced to do so - and Francis was installed, the Catholic Church was in trouble. But he was far worse than I (or many others) expected. Due to the fact that a large number of the Cardinals are in position due to his machinations, I have little hope that the next pope will be any different, sadly.
You are right Deb, the Catholic Church and Faith in general is in deep trouble because of the deep infiltration of Communists, Pedophiles, and people like bergoglio, obama, biden, pelosi and so many more murderers and followers of Satan.
Our Salvation can only be from THE King of Salvation, perhaps He will determine that His Divine Intercession is necessary as He did when He turned President Trump's head and prevented the evil one and his minions from stealing the election which certainly would have led to the destruction of the country He breathed life into. I go to sleep at night, and I pray again in the morning that His Will Be Done and He use me as an Instrument of His Will.
Yes, John Paul II was a real Pope, a true Vicar of Christ, a gift for humanity from God. We desperately need another John Paul II.
Wouldn't it be lovely if we had a real pope again? I still get emotional when I think of John Paul II. It seems like those were our glory days. He brought so many people to the Church, and he inspired us all. I pray we will see someone like him again in my lifetime.
Funny side story: When Pope John Paul II opened the Holy Door in 1983, my grandfather requested one of the bricks. He ended up with two of them for some reason. He donated one to a nearby convent of retired nuns where we often ate lunch on Sunday after Mass. He intended to send the other to the Knights of Columbus in New Haven, CT (for some reason - we are in KY - and we now understand that he was in the early stages of Alzheimer's). I recently found the other brick. What a treasure! Just last week I handed it off to the KofC in my hometown. (I figured if New Haven was waiting for the brick, they had given up on it by then.) To be able to hold something that Saint John Paul had touched was truly special!
That's a great story, thank you for sharing it.
I'm hearing that Cardinal Robert Sarah of the west African nation of Guinea may be the Pope for whom we are looking. God's will be done. Check him out.
I have, and I really like what I see/read. I'm just praying that all of the Cardinals that were recently installed will do the right thing, and not simply try to perpetuate Francis' "progress".
I recently saw the movie The Conclave... highly recommend it
I'm hoping they recognized that the fate of francis might be theirs? Perhaps that is why, immediately after the celebrated Resurrection of Christ came tumbling down our "pope"?
Recently saw the movie, The Conclave. highly recommend it
Francis encouraged the faithful to "make a mess." He certainly led by example. His "leadership" during Covid rivals the witness of some of the worst medieval popes and that's saying something. He sanctioned the suspension of the public celebration of the Mass - a Catholic's first and highest duty - and forbid people to receive the Sacraments during what we were all told was a illness worse than the Spanish Flu. Churches were closed, priests were reprimanded (or worse) for defying orders yet not a peep from the Bishops or Cardinals while big box stores were open and liquor stores provided their version of spirits to the world.
As Dan notes, Francis and his colleagues have spent years stacking the Cardinal deck with like-minded clerics so the prospect of a more orthodox shepherd seems slim. And yet. The church is guided by the Holy Spirit, sent by Christ himself and I am trusting that, as Scripture says, "𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑙𝑜𝑣𝑒 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘 𝑡𝑜𝑔𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑔𝑜𝑜𝑑, 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑐𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒."
𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐇𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐰𝐟𝐮𝐥, 𝐩𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧, 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐜𝐲 𝐨𝐧 𝐮𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐞 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐥𝐝.
Yes, very well said, NAB. Im with you on this, "The church is guided by the Holy Spirit, sent by Christ himself and I am trusting that, as Scripture says, "𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑙𝑜𝑣𝑒 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘 𝑡𝑜𝑔𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑔𝑜𝑜𝑑, 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑐𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒." I very much believe God, and His Consubtantial Son Jesus can overcome the evil which has been perpetrated on the Catholic Faith - and all people of faith - by the fallen angel and his evil horde of which bergolgio was clearly a member.
and then there is the report that Minn legislature has drafted a bill to classify the mRNA vaccines as a bioweapon of mass destruction??
MINNESOTA? Really? That would be a shock, as lefty as that state is.
Well said Dan. I wish I could go back to church (RC) but I just can’t bring myself to do it because of exactly what Jeff’s C&C article states.
Just as holy scripture tells us there is a remnant still Norma Jeanne.
We know that in the end days, there will be a Great Apostacy. The prophet Daniel warns us of the abomination of desolation.
Do not let them steal your soul or salvation. There are several remnant Catholic orders that do not go along with or follow the heretics currently in the Vatican. The CMRI is one of those.
I could be wrong, but I believe that we are in the end times prophesied by Daniel.
Q: How could you stay in the Catholic Church after all the scandal?
A: You don’t leave Jesus because of Judas.
Norma Jeanne, remember Jesus chose Judas as one of the Twelve even though He knew full well Judas would betray Him. Judas performed miracles before he betrayed Christ.
The Church has always had and always will have treacherous leaders.
You guys are very convincing! Thank you for your encouragement! I’m trying hard to find a church and I really appreciate that you guys care!
I understand Norma, but not going back into the faith is exactly the win that Satan is seeking - to separate you from Jesus. Please go back, pray for Divine Intervention, pray that Jesus' love, mercy and grace will save us who remain faithful. We all know that there is evil in the Church, it is 1.3 Billion people strong, or course it has been infiltrated by evil. Don't let them defeat you or it.
Exactly. I am a practicing Catholic and will be one until I die. I love the Faith and the Church that Christ established through St. Peter.
As Jeff stated, the corporate media lies about everything. I shook my head at the idea of ‘anguished believers’ over this pope’s death. Are there any??? Most prayed for his eternal soul, as we should do for all the departed (I asked mercy for his soul since I want Our Lord to have mercy on mine) and breathed a sigh of relief that Francis’ pontificate is over.
Now I pray for a devout ‘Catholic’ successor; may God have mercy upon His infiltrated Church.
Yes, and Amen. We must always focus on "the Faith and the Church that Christ established through St Peter" and Mary too and the other Apostles - all of whom were martyred and yet the Catholic Faith rose up and grew overcoming evil again and again. And we must Stand Strong In Jesus yet again.
Now we pray to God and Jesus that They restore our weakened faith. When I go to Mass, when I pray, I still very much feel the Holy Spirit of Jesus, all hope is not lost, unless we lose our faith in Him.
Well said, Dan.
I get that this is inside baseball for most but it needs to be said Jorge Bergoglio, a.k.a. Pope Francis was never pope.
Here are several reasons why:
1. Canon law prevents anyone who is being threatened from renouncing the Papacy. Immediately prior to his attempted resignation some shadowy force had shut down the Vatican access to the international baking system. Even the ATMs at the Vatican and in Vatican City stopped working.
2. Pope Benedict in his resignation attempt attempted to resign only 1/2 of the papacy, the active ministry, but not the papal office itself. He was the first resigned pope to thereafter continue using his papal name, continue wearing the Pontiff’s white uniform, continue living in the Vatican itself and continue to have Cardinals and other high church officials seek his papal blessings for appointment.
This attempted half resignation constitutes substantial error under Canon law and is negated as such.
3. For this reason, the Conclave which attempted to install Bergoglio was of zero effect and invalid. Whether he liked it or not, and whether he knew it or not, Benedict never ceased being pope until his death.
Nor did Bergoglio automatically become pope when Benedict died. It just doesn’t work that way - there must be a conclave to elect a pope.
4. Even if none of the foregoing were true, although it is, Catholic doctrine holds that a manifest public heretic can never become pope. See Doctor of the Church St. Robert Bellarmine, Cdl. Cajetan, and Pope Pius IV’s papal bull Cum Ex Apostolaticus - even if he were elected unanimously by a valid conclave.
Finally, and here’s a hard truth, the Catholic Church has been under demonic attack since the beginnings of the 20th century when modernists infiltrated key positions and offices. This is the core message that the Blessed Virgin Mary imparted to the three Shepherd children at Fatima Portugal in 1917.
The so-called Third Secret was that a false council would be held and that an apostate pope or popes would appear to ascend to the very top of the Church to assist the Antichrist in his final battle.
The secret was to be revealed to the world in 1960 by the pope. Pope John the 23rd ascended to the papacy in 1958. He was a communist and a Freemason, as well as an apostate. He read the Third Secret and declared that it did not involve his papacy and ruled that it continued to be kept secret and never be revealed.
Thank you.
Fascinating thanks - is there an easy source somewhere about the CCP?
Obviously, it is difficult to find historical evidence or even a financial transaction of 5 Billion USD when the two parties involved are probably the most secretive two in the entire world. So, the deal to seat the illegitimate pope has been both white washed as a contrived conspiracy and also black holed but these links will give you some information about how the Vatican has been co-opted by the ccp since his appointment. It is clear that since his seating, the Vatican has made deals in China which it would never contemplate elsewhere, ostensibly to strengthen the Church in China - but how could that be when Xi/Bejing is selecting the Chinese Bishops as a primary result? bergoglios efforts have also created a deep schism in the Church, something the CCP would strongly and covertly support and advocate for, if for no other reason than to continue to subjugate the 10 million Chinese Catholics and weaken the Church's position as a moral authority.
Bergoglio elevated a total of 108 Cardinals during his papalcy. These 108 are among the 135 Cardinals eligible to vote in a papal conclave. Perhaps there you find the most long term damage of his regime. Not to mention that he removed other senior church leaders (like Vigano) who were not supportive of his takeover of the Catholic Church.
https://www.businessworld.in/article/dissident-says-ccp-pays-off-vatican-2-billion-annually-for-its-silence-on-chinese-atrocities-292114
https://www.ncregister.com/commentaries/has-the-holy-see-surrendered-to-the-chinese-communist-party
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/09/30/vaticans-disgraceful-china-deal-ought-end
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/how-rome-lost-the-vatican-china-deal
God wanted him there as a warning.
Right? The timing of the Pope's death was God's doing. We should see some significance in the fact that the Pope died immediately upon the completion of the day we celebrate Christ's resurrection from the tomb. A stark contrast.
Or an example of what the clot shots, which he pushed, do to you. Even the pope.
But do people actually see what happened to him after the jabs? Jeff has spelled it out however, most people won’t ever think about it. Many of the people I know who got the jabs which is most, don’t even want to talk about it or hear about these things. Maybe it scares them.
Most people don’t recognize vaccine side effects even when it’s in their own families!
That probably was what finally overtaxed his body and led to his swift demise that night.
Good morning C&C army!!
Jeff, our family will be forever thankful for your relentless speaking and writing for jab exemptions. We watched your talk from the 2021 covid Summit after friends referred it to us as my spouse was facing one of the Inquisition type exemption forms and statements from their employer that less than 10% of exemptions would be honored. As if they were able to predict with that much certainty how many people were going to submit reasonable exemptions.
[As I think about it now, their figure almost certainly was driven by a government mandate for the employer to reach a particular compliance number.]
Anyway, we watched the talk and then promptly went to your website and read your posts for how to complete the forms. They were incredibly helpful. My spouse went from feeling they had no choice to choosing to submit the form and accept unemployment if need be. Thank God their exemption was recognized.
We are presently watching the delayed effects of the jab on an elderly family member, and it is pitiful. First a worsening of cognition and motor skills within a few months of the jab, then six months later a pacemaker, followed a couple years later by new onset tremors that doctors labeled Parkinson's but even we were smart enough to recognize as clearly not Parkinsonian, as the nature of the tremors is the exact opposite of Parkinson's. And most recently - four years after the jabs (and this person never got boosters) - devastating stroke that has left this person completely paralyzed on one side. Bitterly, they couldn't get an MRI for rapid diagnosis of the stroke because of the damn pacemaker required for the jab-induced heart problems.
And now this person is essentially a prisoner of the medical industrial complex because they have to be cared for in a nursing home due to the level of care required. So much for freedom of choice and informed consent.
It's a complete 💩 show.
The medical system is broke.
By design!
That's why we have "do it yourself" Frequency Medicine. It's cheaper, once you buy the equipment, and has no side-effects.
Absolutely heartbreaking Copernicus. I am truly sorry for his/her suffering.
Thanks for sharing. I didn’t get jabs but seriously affected by shedding. Post menopause bleeding, exhaustion, Tremors, improved a little over time , still there & recently diagnosed with “ colitis “ (feels like someone slipped me the weight loss shots)
The number of people I know who've had gut problems post-jab is incredible. A relative with diverticulitis. Three friends with unexplained intestinal "blockage" - their guts just stopped moving stuff through. Something that heretofore I had never ever heard of in any of my friends, acquaintances, or family. Then, THREE. And all within about six months of each other.
Also these colon blockages are causing Sepsis which is extremely deadly. Madonna almost dies from it while on tour. I don't care for her, but she's just an example I thought most people would know.
Oh, my gosh. My multiple-jabbed mother was recently diagnosed with “unexplained intestinal "blockage.” The doctors don’t have a clue what to do about it, other than giving her an ileostomy AND a colostomy. (That’s aside from the multiple strokes she’s had since getting the shots.)
Wow. I am so sorry. This is so awful.
The devastation of these unnecessary jabs is beyond comprehension.
I'm so sorry for your relative, and you. It is terrible to watch a decline - and imprisonment - like that. Peace.
Another friend we know developed symptoms of what was recently diagnosed as bladder cancer. Has had symptoms for a couple of years at least. Got the initial series. In former times, bladder cancer occurred in smokers. This person never smoked.
Underwent two procedures to remove the tumor. Not successful. Got sepsis along the way. Ended up with bladder removed because of scarring or something due to the procedures. All as a result of a shot for a cold.
They will never make the connection however.
On Sunday @ 1 pm Tucson, AZ time (9 hours behind Rome), I was using the Ascension app on my phone and found a prayer from the USCCB (US Catholic bishops) for the REPOSE of the soul of Pope Francis, with 1936 - 2025. The day before he died! I sent this text to friends:
Not to alarm you, but...I was on the Ascension App looking for study plans and found this:
https://link.ascension-app.com/ZTlL9wehJSb
Thought it odd, because NOTHING was on the Internet about his death.
What time did he meet with JD Vance? My cousin told me yesterday that Vance was the last outsider to see him alive....he joked "very suspicious - what did JD do to him?"
Donna, my snarky thought has been this - He talked with Vance and got some truth (about any number of things on which this Pope could have used some truth.)
You know the saying - “And the truth shall set you free.” Just sayin’.
Saw a meme where the mad professor standing in front of the chalk board asked, "Who had J.D. Vance as the grim reaper on their bingo card"?
Heard a news account on the radio that this visit was not even on JD's official schedule, and his staff said that they had not included it due to the pope's uncertain health; that they were not sure it would even happen. I do think it a little odd that a State visit would be scheduled on what Catholics believe is the holiest Feast Day of the year.
Hmm… I likened it, not as grim reaper more akin to an Old Testament prophet- God has said this…, you have gone against God’s Word and His will, there are consequences for disobeying and not repenting- judgement.“ (Yet delivered by JD w honestly in a respectful tone, diplomacy of course)
It was a simple meme.
LOL!!! Now that's funny.
That is a bunch of malarkey
Yeah. If anyone wants to make a conspiracy here, why not how the Vatican waited until Trump administration visited and then took the Pope’s life afterwards as a way to create distrust of Vance and Trump? That’s more likely than Vance killing him. Lol
It was a joke. At his age and his number of health issues - jab induced or not, it was only a matter of time, although agreeing to a meeting with a secular leader on a holy day does seem a little odd to me.
And JD was only there for 17 minutes. IFYKYK- what is the 17th letter of the alphabet? LOL
Now I'm not saying nothing.
IFYKYK!? Seems like the more I learn the more I recognize what I DON'T know, haha.
If you know you know.
I may have added an extra letter in there- lol
yes, I got it, I am just saying I used to think I knew a lot, but now I keep finding out much of what I thought I knew was either WRONG or questionable....
Yeah. Looking at the photo of him and Vance, he looked very puffed up with inflammation. That's often a clue the end is near.
Likely the work of insiders, informing certain of the faithful before the MSM got the press release.
Yes I have questions like who killed him.
Screen shot would have been a good to document.
The pope actually died on Feb 28th. The cardinals wanted to wait until after Easter to announce it. They have been using his body double since then.
Wow. That is really weird.
If so, think Mother Angelica and the implications.