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Mary Suddath's avatar

As a retired RN after 44 years of bedside nursing, I deeply regret every vaccine I ever gave or recommended in pediatrics. I have even more regret for vaccinating my own children. I also wish I knew this 40 years ago so I could have asked the parents of all the kids that came in the ER and died from SIDS or other unexplained illnesses if they had been recently vaccinated.

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Al X G's avatar

I share this regret. I didn’t give vaccines a second thought until my son’s doctor insisted he get the first of a three-set HPV shot when he was 13. I started doing research and have been appalled and saddened ever since. My own doctor got mad when I refused a pneumonia shot. It was good riddance to him after that.

I had to fight off the covid needle Nazis in Southern California to keep them away from my son and myself. Mind boggling!

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Natalie's avatar

Yesterday at church one of my husband's patients cornered him and asked him why he won't recommend the COVID shot since the government does. He was quite upset with my husband. Both he and his wife are patients, and his wife has already gotten her umpteenth booster. During the pandemic, their children would not let them see their grandchildren unless they got the shot and stayed out of crowds, so they weren't in church for months. Anyway, my husband told him that he could not in good conscience recommend a shot that he wasn't willing to take himself. (He took the first shot in Dec. of 2020, promptly got COVID, then we did research and he never took the second Moderna.)

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Jeff C's avatar

Good for your husband. How someone would think it appropriate to berate someone over this at church of all places is beyond me. He was right not to make a scene at church of course, but he really should consider if he wants them in his practice (or his life for that matter).

I've adopted a rule that I try to be polite and respectful to people until they act in bad faith, once that happens my obligation to treat them in a dignified manner ends. Bad faith can take many forms but the obvious example is the pushy salesman who continues after being politely told no. This is classic bad faith is the salesman is using my time to push his selfish interests at my expense after I clearly stated I was not interested. I'm no longer polite once this happens.

People who try to emotionally manipulate others (as these people did to your husband) are just as bad. They are unhappy so they are trying to make others unhappy for their own selfish reasons. There is no obligation to be civil to such people. I give it right back to them and they are usually shocked as no one ever calls out their awful behavior.

American Christianity has adopted this really strange belief that we are obligated to be civil to people that are not civil to us. It's like the Christian version of battered wife syndrome. People that impugn motive, call names, emotionally manipulate, and/or try to guilt other people into into certain behaviors are not good people. I've cut such people out of my life and have not looked back.

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RunningLogic's avatar

It’s the “be kind” and “turn the other cheek” syndrome 😕

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

I heard a "be kind" trans activist arguing with a woman who took the position that biological males shouldn't be in prisons or women's spaces, and it occurred to me that this phrase is the prototype of all the behavioral nudging and psychological warfare we were subjected to during the pandemic. It is a carefully crafted phrase to make all objection unkind and to Trojan Horse in trans ideology, which is a top down neofeudal Marxist agenda that's been going on for a few decades. It is Malone's 5th generation information warfare, and it is more sophisticated now, with articles filled with weaponized empathy in the blue MSM, labeling us as right wing extremist unkind anti whatever, but it is clearly designed to guilt you and shame you, and it started with the trans movement.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yup guilt and shame have definitely been weaponized in the service of their agenda. That’s why they use euphemisms like “gender affirming care” for child mutilation and “women’s reproductive health” for killing a baby’s in the womb.

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Jeff C's avatar

The trans movement has certainly taken it to an extreme but it's been around since long before then. Anyone who has ever said, "If you loved me you'd (insert self-centered demand here)" has engaged in it.

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Angus McPherson's avatar

In my experience, when someone is insisting that we "be kind" they are in one of two camps.

The first is the conflict avoidance camp. We have developed in our culture (this is just my observational opinion) an over-abundance of people we can not handle any sort of conflict. They can't watch someone calling someone else out, they can't tolerate being told they made a mistake, they can't be corrected, nor can they correct someone else. They use the 'be kind' to ameliorate their discomfort.

The second is less common (in my experience) but more annoying. What they mean is "You can not criticize me and my views, even when I criticize you and your views". They justify this position by claiming victim status and assigning their opponent as oppressor.

The second is so obvious and borders on the absurd, easy to see, easy to combat. The first is dangerous because it masquerades as peace loving and calm. We need conflict. "As iron sharpens iron" and all that. Children need conflict, teenagers need conflict, adults need conflict, seniors need conflict. We need it. Real, engaged conflict. It can be gentle, but it is so necessary. The best ideas, the best art, but best science, the best culture, the best endeavors, all come out of an environment of conflict. Sometimes its in your face, sometimes its gentle. I think gentle is more effective, but sometimes its not an option.

How do you engage in gentle conflict? Well, in the film "The Princess Bride" (Sorry, yes, Rob Reiner directed it) there is a great scene between Vizzini (Walace Shawn) and Inigo Montoya (Mandy Patinkin) where Vizzini is repeatedly baffled by the dread pirate Roberts and at every set-back he says "Inconceivable". Eventually, Inigo says to him "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means." To me, that is gentle conflict. "Something here ain't right". Gentle or abrasive, we have to have it. It is the way the world works in my view. What I like about this place is that the comment section does a fair amount of engaging in conflict...

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Starsky's avatar

Neofeudal! What a great word to describe what is going on!

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daverkb's avatar

Yup! This the MO. Weaponized Everything.

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Jeff C's avatar

Love you RL so hopefully this isn't nitpicking, but I'd say its the "be nice" syndrome. I'd go as far as arguing it is kind (in the big scheme of things) to call out people who emotionally manipulate others.

What amazes me is how many people go through life routinely trying to emotionally manipulate others to their own advantage, or to further their own interests. People put up with this and act as if it's normal behavior. I don't get it other than probably their parents did it to them and they have never come to grips with the abusiveness of it. People post stories on here (and other places) about their older parents acting like children without even realizing that loving parents don't act like this. It's no surprise they then put up with it from acquaintances.

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RunningLogic's avatar

No worries Jeff C, and I appreciate your kind words. I was referencing the ubiquitous signs when I mentioned “be kind.” But you’re right, what they are often calling for is in fact not actually kind as true kindness would be the willingness to call people out on the nonsense. And it is used to manipulate people so I think it fits very well with your comment. “Now be nice” was an older form of this admonishment and often meant shut up and don’t make waves regardless of any principles you might have. So I think we’re actually saying the same thing here.

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Al X G's avatar

This may not be in the context to which you refer, Jeff, but I’ve been caring for my 88-year-old mother for a year now, and am constantly surprised by how much she reminds me of a little girl. I mean this in a positive light and consider myself blessed to help her through this chapter of life.

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Michele's avatar

Those people are easy to spot because they vampirise you. They DRAIN YOU! I kicked out a family member who was doing this to me,. her game being feigning sickness to concentrate the entourage attention around her oh so precious persona! Histrionics syndrom... Mild borderline personality disorder, but I do not have to put up with this BS!

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Red Canyon Gal's avatar

In the polygamous communities nearby, they tell the girls to 'keep sweet'

ominous with implied threat

Do we have some such implied threat with 'be nice' and 'keep kind'?

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rolandttg's avatar

I'll never forget a poster someone across the hall from me freshman year had. 2 vultures perched in a tree. "Patience my ass. I'm going to kill something"

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Delayna's avatar

This is how I feel just about every day since 2020.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Wasn’t there a bumper sticker ‘nuke the green whales’? Something like that. About 10 years ago I had a window sticker ‘my corgi eats your stick family’.

I’m not very nice I guess 😆

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Kim's avatar

Wish I had seen one back then. I would have had one hanging up too. 🤣

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Diane's avatar

Lol. I had that poster on my bedroom wall all through my teenage years. Sums it up nicely I think😂

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Christy's avatar

Yep. I’m considered “aggressive” in my family. Such as life as they talk to one another about all their illnesses.

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Cindi's avatar

There has been a lot of inappropriate & sanctimonious berating since 2020.... And WuFlu brought out the absolute hypocrisy of many churches. I’m not even religious & I was appalled at how many locked arms with the State. Where was all that separation of church & state DemoncRATS like to bleat about in any other circumstance?

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Copernicus's avatar

YESSSSSS!

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Copernicus's avatar

Actually what you describe contributes to battered wives in the church. Women who are told that they ought to win their husbands over with kindness, "without a word but with a gentle spirit" (a perversion of the Peter passage), and so on. And yes, it is an abomination.

We forget that Jesus called the virtue signalers of his time "dogs" and "vipers." And he caused a wee bit of civil unrest in the public square (the temple courts) when he spoke against the injustice happening there.

A humorous anecdote about pushy salesmen: when my spouse and I were looking to build a new home when we got married, one salesman showed us the model home, discussed all the stuff that gets discussed, and so on. Spouse and I were preparing to leave, when salesman asked what would it take for us to sign a contract that day.

We had already made it clear that we were just gathering information.

Spouse and I looked at each other, and I said, "we would have to be different people." 😆😆😆

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Elisa's avatar

They think it’s appropriate because they are delusional. They embrace what they feel are positive teachings and discard the rest. Ironically, they love to berate others about “do not judge” and ignore “judge rightly.” Because they only adhere to half of scripture, they do not know what real living behavior is and they fall for lies, spread lies, and participate in lies, as we saw during COVID.

They are unaware and don’t know they are doing this. They think we’re acting against Christ by being unpleasant and ungracious to their evil. Absolutely delusional.

The way I say what you did, Jeff, is that I will always treat a person with the respect their God-giving humanity requires because that is unloseable, but earned respect can be lost. I can always be their true friend, even with afar boundaries because I know they are not my friend. That will feel like I am their enemy to them.

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Roger Beal's avatar

See Acts 5:29 for an "authorized" response to authorities (and friends) who do not act in accordance with God's commandments.

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SoManyQuestions's avatar

"I've adopted a rule that I try to be polite and respectful to people until they act in bad faith, once that happens my obligation to treat them in a dignified manner end"

💯

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NinaG's avatar

I’m so sick of hypocritical Christians! My walk of faith has been difficult due to such idiots.

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GG's avatar

"How someone would think it appropriate to berate someone over this at church of all places is beyond me."

Well, many of these people are keyboard warriors. They engage in such behavior so regularly that it becomes part of their public persona too! Think about the way all the activists behave these days. Social media has made it acceptable to harangue and harass people in public.

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Tio Nico's avatar

quote: once that happens my obligation to treat them in a dignified manner ends.

this is NOT biblical conduct. We are indeed called to love all.. which does NOT mean agre witth them, or roll over when they attack you. I have learned the hard way that cutting off people who offend or cancel closes doors that, if left open, can lead to reconciliation and restoration. R=Do NOT renturn evil for evil. Stand your ground firmly and politely, but stand it, and use reason (not emotion) to try and persuade them. Cut them off, its game over.

Truth WILL eventually out. WHen the scientific facts of vaccine harms goes mainstream, which it MUST eventually, many who are now emotionally bought by the medical cuommunity's propaganda and oprofit-motivated lies, will collapse.

I;ve studied the effects of tthymerisol and similar "adjuvants" in almost every vaccine, and it is scary.. but so far a rather well kept secret. Eventually it will come out. Just as the real dangers, the perficy and profiteering in today's vaccine industry, well be exposed. Remember the HPV vaccine madness, where the governor of texas asked they be mandated for all teenage girls, and boys as well> Just about the time that was made the law, infirmation (long held secret) was out about the real dangers of the vaccine being far more deadly than the actual disease. Instead of encouraging and instructing young girls to keep their panties on when the boys are around, just get this shot and you won't get that virus. Sometime around then word came out that the shot uitself was highly suspected ini some deaths, and the government had to backtrack and remove the mandated status for school kids.

How is it that when I was a kid there were maybe five vaccines we all got, fir the rest of the mostly harmless kid diseases we just caught them, beat them, gained lifelong natural imminuty. Now I guess I am supposed to get 72 squirts into the arms of all y kids. Right along withaall the "adjufvants" that are strongly associated with the several prion diseases that are taking out the older generation by the boatload.. including my Dad who got all the shots every year "free" through his employer, then died of Parkinson;s at a young age. His Mother lived to 106, was healthy and strong right to her final days. I don't think she ever took one vaccine in her life.

But if we all cut off anyone who refuses to hear tis stuff, WHO will still be infvolved in their lvies to talk to them about it later on? Keep those doors open.

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

The medical industry should forget the vaccines and go back to leeches. Leeches did not have the side effects of death and autism that the vaccines have. After a leech bloodletting people felt tranquilized. GO BACK TO LEECHES!

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Jeff C's avatar

Thanks for the lecture. As to what is vs. isn't biblical conduct I'll stick to what the bible actually says.

Did Jesus treat the moneychangers in a dignified manner? How about when he called the Pharisees hypocrites and vipers? Was that dignified? What about when Paul strongly rebuked Peter over whether or not Christians needed to keep the law, was that dignified? We are still reading about it 2000 years later.

I described what has worked for me when dealing with emotionally manipulative people. It was specifically in regards to people who toy with other people's emotions with intent to induce guilt. I didn't say use it on everyone one disagrees with, but that as Christians we are not obligated to be doormats to people who view others as subjects of their control, or deal with others in bad faith. You then characterized this as returning evil for evil.

What's funny is that your response "this is NOT biblical behavior" and protection oneself from toxic people as "returning evil for evil" is a pretty good example of emotional manipulation. You mischaracterized what I wrote, took it to an absurd extreme, and then condemned things I never said.

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Sharon's avatar

and, in reality, did not even Jesus say to "brush the dust off your feet" and move on from those who will not hear or receive your words?

sometimes seems to me as if all(or most) modern organized Christianity is out of context. this hurts the flock.imo

everything is corrupted. all is vanity. 😔

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Melanie Eccles's avatar

Your are 100% right! - Good for you for standing up for yourself and your beliefs. I can't stand pushy salesmen/women - no matter what they are trying to convince you of.

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BBS's avatar

I agree with every word you said, but I want to know how you handle immediate family members. Do you give them a pass to keep the peace or otherwise cut them some slack? I really could use some advice.

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CathyRN's avatar

For me and my family love reigns. We know what we can’t talk about so instead I love on them, find common ground, and have fun. I keep reminding myself of “but for the grace of God go I.”

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korigon's avatar

And this happened yesterday? Is it summer 2021?

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Lisa's avatar

Interesting!

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

when a friend told me everyone at church got jabbed, I decided never to go back again. For now dad is calling me exactly at church time, so I have a good alibi LOL. In those 3 years, I have come to pray in the woods, in the silence. I like it better than the endless repeat of a formula anyway. So far, all seem to be well, and I hope that your husband too, might not have any adverse reactions down the line.

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Kim's avatar

I adopted a similar practice long before covid. God's creation is infinitely more beautiful than any manmade building.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

But then there's Jesus and the church community... if He hadn't told Peter to feed His sheep where would we be? I love God's creation, and I need His church community. He never said to stay to ourselves. Church is the people. We are to worship together! Breathe. We are His disciples, not the world's chosen. Find a welcoming church and there you find community. We don't all agree on everything. But we do love each other.

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Kim's avatar

I never liked going as a kid and still don't. Rather be outside. The birds are perfectly happy to be the choir too.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

praying in a God made temple

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Al X G's avatar

No formulaic, copout sermons at Godspeak Calvary Chapel,Southern California. Pastor Rob McCoy never bowed down to the tyrannical authorities and is a staunch anti-globalist. The church also has guest speakers fighting the good fight such as Peggy Hall, Charlie Kirk, Eric Metaxas, RFK Jr, Larry Elder and many more. Although I no longer live there I tune in for livestream services every Sunday. It’s still a big part of my life.

https://www.godspeak.com/

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

thanks for the update, I will check it out! he must be one in a million, far as I know all 130 churches here in rural GA closed.

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Al X G's avatar

Bummer!

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Ingrid, I understand. But humans are herd animals, so it’s probably best to live in a community with a like-minded herd.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

well, I do not live in that community. I live almost an hour away. In a small community with mostly unjabbed

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Al X G's avatar

Just amazing how unaware and uneducated doctors are about vaccines. Some are (thankfully) experiencing rude awakenings and taking action.

https://x.com/catsscareme2021/status/1734658874995560714?s=20

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daverkb's avatar

Like an airplane flying on automatic pilot.

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Al X G's avatar

Or with a covid jabbed pilot at the controls.

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

I keep my health private. That wards off the vax bullies. Just like cigarettes, there’s going to be a tipping point when enough people are sick and dead they will stop. Life expectancy has already plunged catastrophically.

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daverkb's avatar

Exactly right. And then everyone is going to be very, very pissed.

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Carrie's avatar

Agree… after experiencing early in 2020 how recent travel made you a pariah, I decided not to share anything personal with any work colleague or acquaintance. That was helpful when the jabs came out. If someone asked if I was jabbed, I just said “I’m keeping that health information personal and private”

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Raptor's avatar

I admire your husband's reaction to them and his simple answer. If you are willing to say: why did he get his first shot and did he not get the second because he got covid (and realized the lie or because he believed he had natural immunity). Also, completely off topic, but I think you will know, is there a naughty patient notation on electronic records for patients? A doctor ordered a biopsy for me that was incorrect. I asked him about it (politely), but after that he was really mean (I went back to discuss the biopsy resuls, but that was the end). Later when I was at the derm. I heard the derm and the nurse in a discussion outside my door that could have been about me if I were giving into paranoia, but how would they know? Two totally unrelated visits (not a derm biopsy). I have not asked my primary because I don't want to put him on the spot. Thanks ahead however you decide in response.

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

I plan to never go to another MD ever. Only the emergency room. Otherwise, homeopaths, chiropractors, herbalist, Ayurveda, TCM, etc.

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Heather LibertyCricket's avatar

get a copy if your records

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Raptor's avatar

I think there is a patient version and a doctor version. I can actually see my record and visit notes. Not all fields are available I imagine.

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Bill Jarett's avatar

Just like our old school records. As kids we'd occasionaly see the binders piled up in a teacher's classroom, over an inch think. I looked at mine once briefly in grade school, was very detailed. A few years after graduating highschool I requested mine. Was stripped down to basically nothing.

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Natalie's avatar

My husband regrets not being more discerning and skeptical in December, 2020, but most of the hospital staff was getting the COVID shot, and there was a lot of pressure to get it "to protect their patients." That was the rationale, just short of coercion at that time. I was offered it when they had more Moderna shots than they needed (yes, some staff chose not to get it), but I said it was too new a shot. He knew that too, but there was a lot of pressure. A week later, he came down with COVID and received monoclonal antibodies. After an infusion, you could not have the second shot for at least 3 months, and in that time, I found information from Peter McCullough and others that made him realize he had to think this through a lot more. He is so thankful for the bout of COVID and the monoclonal antibodies because without that, he probably would have gotten the second shot. Later when the hospital mandated the shot, he applied for and was given a religious exemption.

As far as the medical records go, he said the State of Michigan keeps a record of all vaccines administered anywhere in the state and even outside the state--at least with contiguous states. He's not sure if it's national. Anyway, when a patient comes to his office, the staff syncs the patient's medical records with the state vaccination records, and it updates the patient's file. There's also a database for opioids that's been around for a while. This database goes into pharmacies' database and makes a note of any opioid prescribed to that person. My husband is very concerned that, at some point, the database will be used for prescriptions other than narcotics, so that any interested party could know if a person were on antidepressants or impotence drugs, or any other thing. So the government could find out a great deal about you from the drugs you're prescribed. As far as a "naughty patient" notation, he does not think that exists apart from not getting the vaccines that they recommend.

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Raptor's avatar

Thank you very much for that info.

In Utah there is notation about vaccines taken (and obviously those not taken since they won't be on the record). I am with your husband about patient med and script record. People a lot more crafty and nefarious than we normal people can use seemingly vanilla info to their advantage and our detriment. those two things are not vanilla. If they want it, they will get it though.

I started taking a pic of my blood pressure. It is normal to low at home at rest, but at the doctors it looks like I will have an stroke or something. I don't want that on the record. My doc is fine with that. Some are not. You have to think about what things look like and what the truth is.

I know of no doctor yet who has ever asked for out of state records. In state in network everyone can see the entire record. Here. Utah is no Michigan.

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CathyRN's avatar

I regret what they said to your husband and I’m sorry he had to listen to that.

“Since the government does.”

Thats the scary part

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Phillip Zinni III DO FAOASM's avatar

@Natalie I'm always asked Medical issues at church, I'm humbled and enjoy serving. As far as being berated, I just calmly listen and depending my audience (liberal vs. Conservative) will respond.

Be Well & Be Blessed,

Phillip

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Natalie's avatar

Half of the people in my church are patients of my husband because he's been practicing for 35 years and, honestly, he's by far the best doctor around. He really listens to people, and they love him for it. Every Sunday someone is asking him about some medical problem, and he doesn't mind at all. It's just a part of being a doctor in a relatively small community.

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Heather B's avatar

The HPV is also what woke me up. I am so grateful for resources like C&C to help us continue our journey of learning. This truly is the best Substack ever! Thank you Jeff for blessing us!

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rolandttg's avatar

The second hep B vaccine rolled out in 1989 was what woke me up when the school wanted to give it to my 6 year old. I said no and hell no. She was neither screwing nor shooting drugs.

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Dreamom3's avatar

Same. A friends daughter developed POTS and Chrohns after HPV.

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Fed up's avatar

Interesting. I got that 3-part HPV vaccine for a job at a police station in my late 20s when the Olympics came to our city. Afterwards, I got Crohn’s. Doctor threw a pamphlet at me in the hospital, “no cause, no cure.” It took me years of research to figure out it was probably the vaccine. I also developed fast heart beats (200 bpm) just from walking and a wonderful cardiologist told me it was due to the biological agent drug Humira ($5000/mo.) my GI doc prescribed. I dumped it then and there. When I mentioned the HPV shot to a new GI, he emphatically denied it. However, when he wanted me to get a routine colonoscopy, I declined because I told him I had read that due to the sensitive nature of the scope cameras, they are not able to clean them properly. He said, “ya, they are working on that….” So, you drink the prep to clean out your bowel of everything in there, including the protective GI microbiome, and then introduce a dirty scope/camera in there. I believe I also developed a very painful fissure after one of those. Knowledge certainly is power. Hard pass for all of those routine tests, based on fear.

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Raptor's avatar

I don't know if you still have Crohn's, but if so, consider looking at the GAPS diet. I have a friend who suffered mightily with it until she went on GAPS because her child had serious problems that her doc suggested GAPS for. So their family went on it and she found relief.

I hope you find relief somewhere somehow. Pardon my offering unsolicited advice.

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Copernicus's avatar

Re the colonoscopies: 😠

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Juliah's avatar

My daughter got POTS and lost her period.

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Chelie's avatar

The pediatric group I fired 2 years after they tried to give them the Covid jab, just sent me a reminder to get my kids in for an HPV shot. I have switched them to a private family practice provider. The corporate medical groups are all under big pharma control. And they are going for both sexes. They don’t tell parents they are giving the shot to boys in the event they have anal sex.

My oldest son and his high school sweet heart got engaged after graduation. They believed in abstinence until marriage. They’ve been married now for 4 years. The pediatrician didn’t care that they weren’t sexually active. He tried to push it any way.

I hope to God parents are awake to the malfeasance behind the vaccine industry. Educate your children about this scam. We have to start warning them about what informed consent is and doing their homework into the harms that vaccines cause.

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John infinity N's's avatar

Needle Nazis. I like this and I think I will use it. Thanks.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Dang, another one. Adding to my list!

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Melanie Eccles's avatar

Thanks for standing up to the tyranny - they just don' want a "control group".

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

We’re coming to the tipping point when VAX will stop. None of them have ever worked except to cause death and sickness. Remember all the advertising saying that cigarettes were healthy?

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BeBravata's avatar

I too am from Southern California. During Covid, my doctor asked me FOUR times if I wanted a combo tetanus shot. I said what the hell for. I'm here for a migraine!! I did not get the shot and I never went back to him.

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Al X G's avatar

He doesn’t deserve you.

They were pulling a covid shot bus up to my son’s school every two weeks. I called the principal and told him NO WAY my boy is getting a jab. Too bad more folks couldn’t just say no.

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Kat's avatar

I too refused the HPV for my son and I refused the Covid Vax. The Nazis pressured was unreal, but myself and husband held out. Unfortunately my son was in Med School and they forced him. He is fine so far, but I still pray daily, that what they meant for evil, God will use for his glory!!

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Al X G's avatar

Good on ya will say an extra prayer for your son. I had to take an early retirement from my civilian Department of Defense position. Punishment was starting because I refused to take the covid shots. My colleagues turned into brain dead goose steppers and supervisors into monsters. I was lucky to get out, although there will always be residual bitterness.

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Susan's avatar

You did the same thing I did, when that HPV came out (I have 3 girls), I started the research on it and haven't allowed another vax to enter my body since! Nor my girls, I told them as they were teens, if they want it, THEY go get it as I was not gonna do that to them and if something happened, I would feel forever guilty!!!

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Chelie's avatar

Same! We learned our lesson. We were all scammed. The pharmaceutical corporations and insurance companies including the government, Medicare and Medicaid. Don’t forget Tricare and the VA, they own the Drs and healthcare institutions.

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Peregrine's avatar

Years ago one of my businesses divisions was infant apnea monitors.

It was a dark joke that whenever a newborn baby got the first series of "vaccines" we know a monitor was about to be ordered.

Causation? Not really, just a coincidental anecdote.

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wily_coyote-genius's avatar

WHAT?!?!?!?!? My goodness!! That should have been a road to Damacus moment for every health professional!!

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Copernicus's avatar

Except that health professionals are literally NOT TAUGHT to look for things like this. I am not making that up.

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Peregrine's avatar

Besides, nobody would listen.

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Note: the plural of anecdote is DATA!

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gigiRN's avatar

Agree totally. Also students cannot even get into nursing school without childhood vaccinations, so there is a sort of confirmation bias (vaccines are good) in nursing from the very beginning.

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SB's avatar

Yea, I regret vaxing my kids, too.

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BelleTower's avatar

SB, i do too 😢 ... God, please cover those babies! We just didn’t know ... so many needles that had the way paved by decades of indoctrination of this mama. I was in no way capable of seeing and refusing, marched them in and held them down myself. Crying ...

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Margie's avatar

Me too

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Suzanne's avatar

If one thing has caused people to think differently it’s been this whole crazy covid shot coercion. In 2014 when my son and his wife said they were not vaccinating their kids, our jaws dropped. Five healthy grands later, (and a lot more educated about vaccines), we are blessed beyond measure. Thankful for this Dr. and his awareness.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Impressive. Pre-covid anti-vaxxers are the most based.

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korigon's avatar

I was watching something the other day saying there was a survey that 80 something % of people still trust the childhood vaccines. I thought this was shocking high at this point, if true.

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NAB's avatar

Agree. I can't give them enough credit or respect.

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Sharon's avatar

I’ve felt those regrets after having given unknown number of childhood immunizations for years. We truly did not know. Back then I trusted the medical community I was a proud part of- no more!

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Ellen Komorowski's avatar

I am with you Mary. I am also a retired RN and vaccinated my children as well and truly believe that those vaccines ultimately helped to kill my 18 year old son. I believe that those vaccines caused his mental health issues that lead him to drugs which lead to his death. I am definitely an anti-vaxxer now!

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Mary Suddath's avatar

I am so sorry to hear that. Our youngest (25 yo and adopted at birth) has asthma and migraines and our son (28 and also adopted at birth) ADHD. Our grandson who was 29 weeks and 2 1/2 pounds and spent six weeks in the Nicu is moderately autistic and I think he would have had issues anyway but I often wonder how much the vaccines that he got exacerbated his autism.

Aren’t you glad we are retired? We were nurses when it really mattered. I would never become a nurse now.

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Over it's avatar

Same. Nurse of 27 years. So many kids. I started waking up with the HPV jab. When covid jabs came out, I was willing to walk away from my career if they were going to require me to give kids the covid jab.

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on the doss's avatar

Please do not regret. You are well forgiven,by The Christ. We all believed what the experts said and the FDA, CDC. Just remember this mass murder whether intended or not opened our hearts and most importantly our souls. Let your soul rest and pray for the lost who do not want to hear the truth. God Bless you.

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Never take a child to a pediatrician. Never go near the medical industry, except to go to an emergency room. No vaccine has ever worked, they’re just like cigarettes and will soon go away I hope.

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Christy's avatar

I know nothing anyone can say will help appease you, but I got all my kids vaccinated and I don’t blame any of the nurses.

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daverkb's avatar

We all, at least in the Western World, have been taken captive and have been assiduously injected with heinously mutilated knowledge at every stage of our early development and throughout our adult lives. It is a Herculean task to work out from under the control of a world system which deliberately lies to us, maims physically and mentally, murders its own 'citizens' at the drop of a hat.

However this may be, the greatest of the Apostles was once one of the greatest of terrors until the road to Damascus resulted in a transformed life. I think on this a lot. How God takes evil and can turn it into good. And believe me, this more than I will ever be able to sort out. The most I know is that we must shake the dust off our sandals and continue the journey unto its end.

Mostly I eschew writing in this vein because ... well, how does one strike the right tone and reach that which is beyond words? Nonetheless, we thank you for your words because your story is also in a multiplicity of forms, our story. We also feel the sting from a world gone very badly awry.

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

No vaccine has ever worked except to cause cancer, autism, polio/Guillain-Barré, and death.

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SPONGEWORTHY47's avatar

yes i feel the same way

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Cynthia's avatar

I was talking to a new friend recently about his family. After talking about his grown children, out of the blue, he added that in 1990 he lost a son to SIDS. He said his son died the same day he got his 2-month vaccinations.

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NAB's avatar

Wasn't there some discussion about how infant mortality rates decreased in the COVID era when baby's weren't being seen for routine visits/vaccination? IIRC, the numbers were pretty significant. And yet, no one talks about it. Now we just have the push to "get caught up!"

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

I think that tidbit came out of Florida - something to the effect of 30% drop in SIDS during CVD, possibly due to parents not taking their kids in for "well baby" checks.

Mrs. "the Knife"

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

I don’t know how I’d recover from that. My heart hurts just knowing I vaxed my kids without any obvious injuries.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

And there's zero studies showing how multiple vaxxes work together in any safe manner. They just wave their hands and make declarations that are clearly false.

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Kat's avatar

When we know better we do better. Don’t beat yourself up over this, just become an advocate for vaccine safety.

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NAB's avatar

Yes. Preach to those with ears to hear.

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Kelli's avatar

Reading that Deep State panic reminded me of a scene from The Hunt for Red October.

Something like: "The Russians have a missing sub on their hands. They've been trying to find her and sink her, but they can't. And now they've come up with this story, because they need our help to do it."

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Freedom Fox's avatar

With any luck the one missing binder turned into five missing binders, turned into five-hundred missing binders, turned into 5,000 missing binders. Every copy should have multiple copies made and distributed to multiple people and secret stash's, hidden, buried, put places where no cell phone surveillance logs could lead investigators. There's safety in numbers, that whole herd immunity thing. The predators - the bad actors who've seized the government of the United States of America - can't get at the entire herd when its numbers are too great. By their actions the only security they're interested in protecting is their own, not our nation's; me thinks they've gotten away with confusing the two for too long.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

"we all have a copy of the missing binder"

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Michael Framson's avatar

I am Spartacus, "I have a binder".

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Juliah's avatar

Je Suis Charlie Hebdo

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Michael Framson's avatar

I remember that one.

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Chelie's avatar

LOL. We all have copies🤣🤣🤣

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Yes, you got what I was referring to...

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Chelie's avatar

Oh no Kathleen! They will surround your house at 5am, red dots shining in your windows and knock your door down with battering rams 😱

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I can't wait until they seize my phone...and realize it is a landline.

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TimeIsNear's avatar

lol

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Freedom Fox's avatar

...And when the time is right, many copies need to be brought forward, media, blogs (Substacks?) Libraries, coffee houses, luncheons, handed out at sporting events, door-to-door. All at once. An army of distributors. Flood the zone. That's how it's done, the Deep State is undone, the usurpers of our nation and our rights granted by God are cornered and they are obliterated.

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Datagal's avatar

I’m envisioning someone tossing copies of all the binder pages out of an airplane over our big cities, like they paper the population during war.

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Chelie's avatar

Boom!

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Gina Borggrebe's avatar

deep state in deep doodoo!!

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shayne's avatar

I like the way you think, Freedom Fox.

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AL's avatar

It feels like more fake, distraction news all the way around and they’re all in on it- all of them.

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CHop's avatar

I missed this story. I was watching Sex in the Senate all weekend.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Imagine being the senator who normally sits there for hearings. I'd demand a full biohazard disinfecting treatment of it. Heck, after the past three years of germs, germs, germs everywhere safety first paranoia I'd demand the entire hearing room be treated like a biohazard area full fumigation, sanitizing, white hazmats suits, the whole thing. Think about it, astrolube and fecal splatter everywhere! In fact, if I was a legislator or witness who had to go into the hearing room for official business I'd show up in a hazmat suit myself, or at least bring disinfectant bottles, towels and gloves, wear a face protection goggles, mask, etc. Gross. Gross. Gross. Oh, and bill the damnable "twink" for the entire cost of clean-up.

Or else they never really cared about germs, germs, germs everywhere in the first place and it was all a farce to take power from the people.

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CHop's avatar

It was either intentional or allowed. With all the cameras in the Capitol, it took a leak to the press to get this guy fired.

Either way, Babylon Bee says the room is getting cleaned:

https://babylonbee.com/news/capitol-janitors-decide-to-deep-clean-senate-chamber-with-flamethrowers

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Freedom Fox's avatar

The only part of the story that's missing is who the "Bear" is? Which Senator? Romney? Durbin? Schumer? Did Big Mike make a special appearance?

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Freedom Fox's avatar

ROTFLMAO! I LOVE the Bee when they're at their best! The best humor is that which is strongly based in truth!

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Chelie's avatar

They need to tear the whole thing down to the studs. But like everything else, it will be the taxpayers burden to bear. Unlike other atrocities, it will be for the good health of the very few good senators who still believe they work for we the people.

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Stacy's avatar

Exactly! How convenient that a porno emerged from the senate!

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AL's avatar

Hahaha I heard about that but didn't see it. Banana republic. I'm sure they'll get a presidential medal for it.

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Chelie's avatar

Don’t watch, the unredacted video is probably still out there. Your eyes won’t be able to unsee it🤮

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Chelie's avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Peregrine's avatar

Excellent analogy.

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Kevin's avatar

I thought of exactly the same thing!

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Kelli's avatar

Great Minds .... ?! LOL.

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Sam's avatar

I’m reposting this article by Sundance on the missing folder cuz it’s very detailed with his sense of humor added.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/15/too-funny-cnn-begins-apoplexy-narrative-around-missing-10-inch-declassified-dossier-that-details-trump-russia-conspiracy/

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Bones's avatar

It’s just like Watergate only infinitely more sinister because the government should’ve learned something from Watergate. Am I kidding myself? Yes I am.

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Kat's avatar

Excellent theory!!

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It doesn't take Sherlock's avatar

As a data guy, someone should take the Epstein flight logs [and info related the guests of Epstein properties in New York and elsewhere] and overlay them with the Crossfire Hurricane people in the binder. My guess is there will be a lot of overlapping, and not just with the usual suspects like the Clintons and their sick sycophants.

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Roger Beal's avatar

While you're at it see how many of 'em charged dinner at Comet Pizza.

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JSR's avatar

Interesting that the double cat 5 hurricanes in 2017 displaced Epstein and started the unraveling of secrets

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RunningLogic's avatar

That would be an interesting exercise for sure!

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RunningLogic's avatar

That interview with Dr Zajac was incredible. I think that he has amazing humility despite his characterization of his previous attitude as arrogant and bullying. That may have been true at the time but it takes a great deal of introspection and willingness to humble oneself to admit wrong as he’s done. So bravo, Dr Zajac! We need many more like you!

The whole missing binder situation is very intriguing, I *really* want to know what’s in there now!! It does seem like the Deep State elements are in full on panic mode 🤔

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Runemasque's avatar

Zajac, or Dr. Bob as we call him, is our local hero here in Minnesota, a real northern treasure. When he came under fire during lockdowns, we rallied to support him.

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Kristen Luhring's avatar

Dr. Bob is the best! He comes under attack over and over, but he stands strong, and I believe the Lord protects him. He’s a treasure for sure! Many of us refer to him as “the unicorn” because he certainly is one of a kind!

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Suzanne's avatar

As a native of MN, (moved away in the 80’s) I was overjoyed to see a glimmer of common sense there! The governance has fallen so far into the swamp that seeing a few bold voices speaking out is so encouraging. Dr. Jensen is also a gem.

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Tracy's avatar

I'm sad to say I'm from MN and have not heard of him. I will do some research and learn. I agree that MN has completely gone over to the dark side. As the country goes so has MN. I used to love my state. Not so much anymore.

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Chelie's avatar

He was the Republican Nominee for Governor of Mn in the 2022 and was a Mn State Senator in 2017-2021. The AG Keith Ellison & the Mn Board of medicine was trying to take his medical license away for talking about Covid. He filed law suits against them for violating his right to the 1 st Amendment in June.

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Tracy's avatar

👍

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Chelie's avatar

Suzanne Dr Jensen is another hero in the state of Mn who the cabal is trying to silence. I follow him by email. He’s also FB and does live chats. I’m not from there but learned about him through his campaign.

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Heather's avatar

I had no idea he has a clinic just a few miles from me! What a shame I didn’t know when my kids were younger

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Erin W's avatar

When I moved back home to MN I basically fired several pediatricians in a row and started digging for good ones via word of mouth. So in 2018 I decided to start making a 1.5 hour one way drive for my kiddos appointments and turns out it was him. I’ve had him ever since and I have zero negatives things to say. His appointments are exactly what he says they are here; conversations certainly not lacking in information.

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Erin W's avatar

His practice was slightly smaller then. There are several clinics today. We now mostly opt to be seen by one of his other doctors or nurses because I absolutely respect his valuable time.. I suspect the clinics will grow despite the board constantly going after his license. Why? Because when you talk to him there is no question he has absolutely done his due diligence. And he 100% respects your decision one way or the other.

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LP's avatar

Watching the first part, where he described his metamorphosis from arrogant egomaniac to humbled vaccine-skeptic, made me cry, I'm not sure why. I think it was from relief....just *hearing* a former vaccine-bully acknowledging that, no, we're not crazy, acknowledging that what our guts have been telling us all along is correct. I'm getting so fatigued of living in this world where everyone is pretending that things are "normal," and *still* very few mention the elephant in the room. Even now, almost 4 years after the madness started, my spouse and two of my adult kids are the only people with whom I can freely discuss any of this.

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Not Me's avatar

That’s more people than I discuss it with. 24 coming to Christmas dinner and I’m the only unvaccinated adult. To be fair, some were coerced in order to keep their job.

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Obama and crossfire is just like Nixon and Watergate only the Obama Clinton FBI crossfire is thousands of times worse, more corrupt!

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JW's avatar

It sounds like the mouse has outsmarted the cat once again. Tom and Jerry in real time.

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Dr Linda's avatar

“There’s only a week left till the sledding Fat Man slips down your climate-destroying carbon emitter. “

My first laugh of the day!

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

A Carbon tax on Santa? I am waiting to hear a complaint about air pollution from the reindeer’s farting.

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Tom's avatar

Santa has a lot to answer for:

He's white.

His reindeer fart a lot.

He's white.

HE MUST BE PUNISHED!

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Jean Anderson's avatar

White - and MALE! Gasp!

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CH's avatar

For now. They are trying deperately to make him black based on what I am seeing in the stores.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Well done! Very witty

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Betsy Frost's avatar

That one took me a minute to digest, but then I got a good laugh. I guess I hadn't had enough of my coffee yet and my brain was still in semi-sleep mode.

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MoM's avatar

My first laugh of the day as well.

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MaryAnn's avatar

Recalling SNL Coneheads referring to humans as “carbon based life forms”? I think we are doomed. 😂

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Sarah Bee's avatar

So good!

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Alison Smith's avatar

I think we all know that the "classified/unclassified binder" implicates Obama, Hillary and Biden in the Russian Collusion Hoax, as well as the FBI and CIA. And I think we also all know that Trump's people have that missing binder. It will all come out in discovery, as some would say. You need to show the people.

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John Ransley's avatar

The missing bimder is our Christmas miracle and I suspect there is more than 1 copy!

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Christy's avatar

Christmas miracle. I love that! Thank you!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I would love to think this true. My cynacism says its not. Trump will never get office again. We are stuck with deep staters or dems.

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Not Me's avatar

They didn’t plan a detailed steal of the election just to roll over and have a fair election next time.

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John Ransley's avatar

Agreed

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SA's avatar

Maybe implicates CNN, too. They may know more than they’re letting on. And are we to believe there’s really only one binder missing? How many binders can be reproduced over several years? I’m guessing there are many copies of the binder floating around.

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AL's avatar

Or none of it even exists- more useless distraction by the deep state.

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Heather's avatar

I sure hope you are right!

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Dick's avatar

Yes. Remember, this is the unredacted info — with all the evidence intact. Delicious panic.

I haven’t finished the CT piect, but a poster above linked it. Here it is: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/15/too-funny-cnn-begins-apoplexy-narrative-around-missing-10-inch-declassified-dossier-that-details-trump-russia-conspiracy/

Mockingbird.

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Alison Smith's avatar

Oh, yeah, I remember how he mandated all federal workers, and private sector workers to get the vax, and all nurses and the VA and military in September of 2021. Oh wait, that was BIDEN!!

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FedUpInOR's avatar

No wonder they tore through Melanias’ lingerie looking for classified documents and all the classified document hullabaloo. They’ve been looking for this binder all along.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

And all the time it's been sitting on my bedroom closet shelf.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Be careful or you might end up with a dawn FBI raid 😆😛

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John Ransley's avatar

Binder jokes will be the Christmas gift that keeps on giving!

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Joanne Shannon's avatar

You can find them on Etsy.

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cat's avatar

next to the "pizza" offerings?

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Barnjai's avatar

Hahaha

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cat's avatar

remember Mitten's bragging about his "binders full of women?" That was a joke for years...

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Yes, the thought occurred as I considered writing that comment. We shall see if they could be that stupid.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Oh man I wouldn’t bet against government stupidity 🤪😆

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Tom's avatar

"Area man found dead on paddleboard."

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RunningLogic's avatar

Those paddle boards sure are dangerous! 😛

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Peace's avatar

You can just tell anyone who asks that the Elf on the Shelf left that binder there. Mischievous little minions!

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Guy White's avatar

Has anyone looked in the trunk of Robert Peters’ Corvette? Or in the fridge where he keeps his pudding?

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Tom's avatar

It's in his handlers' diaper bag.

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shayne's avatar

Too bad it couldn't accidently fall into Julian Assange's hands.......

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Hannahlehigh's avatar

Im just waiting for this nightmare to end, but it's nice to see a doctor come to his senses. I don't do Christmas but Merry Christmas everyone, Im hoping to find a church that hasn't been corrupted to attend on Christmas Eve.

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Janet's avatar

Same here. Small town. Every single church bowed to the devil. I may look for a house church. Right now I have no church. Online is ok but not the fellowship I’m looking for.

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Mike Perceval's avatar

I’m pretty confident you’re already familiar with this, but don’t want to ‘assume’ it, so:

Hebrews 10:24-25

“And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.”

There are many different voices expressing different and often conflicting views on this but, as far as I am concerned, ‘the Day’ referred to is about to break over the event horizon.

Nothing can take the place of personal devotions and time spent in the Bible, seeking to understand how the Lord would have one apply His Word to the circumstances of one’s life. That is the sure foundation for a Christian’s life in Christ. But real, face-to-face fellowship with other serious believers, and the leadership of gifted Pastor/Teachers, are blessings of almost incalculable value. And that value will only continue to grow as we move forward through this period of human history.

Matthew 7:7-8

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.”

You may have to keep at it far longer, make a greater effort, or sacrifice more time and gas money, but strive to find a fellowship of sincere Bible-believing, God-honoring Christians who are intentionally seeking to ‘live by faith’, and you will find great blessings in joining with them in that journey.

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Tom's avatar

We must also equip ourselves for the days ahead. It may become incumbent on each of us to be a teacher to those who newly have the scales removed from their eyes.

Amos 8:11

“Behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord God, “when I will send a famine on the land— not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Amen. I do have sympathy for one trying to find a solid church tho. I can be very hard. If you can’t find one in person at least listen to a solid preacher regularly until you DO find a church you are willing to travel to. 💕

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Janet's avatar

I may try a local church. It doesn’t do live stream but I want to personally go. Otherwise there is only mainstream around me with mostly old people like me. I don’t know. I helped save a church in the 90’s. I’m not sure I have the energy now. I realize that’s not my decision to say that, but God should hurry up. 🤔😏😌. 🙏🏻.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Yes it is very sad when churches are dying. Surely you know this but 1000% the key to finding a good church is the leadership. If leadership is healthy humble and growing so the church will be also.

Where are you at?

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Janet's avatar

Northern Illinois. I’m willing to be a catalyst for Christ.

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Mary H.'s avatar

Amen!!

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Janet's avatar

I’m not young. In my 70’s. I’ve been in a vibrant Christ led church that finally shook off stifling fundamentalist doctrine and began to shine. 2/3 left when that happened. I was born again. You could see when people finally “got” Jesus and real Grace. It was on their faces. In their love. Truly. It was a remarkable time for us because I stayed and saw Gods hand in this. Then, some years later those new in Christ left to return to family churches of other denominations. As I did. I could see the hidebound attitude and rules, etc so at first it was stifling. But I got used to it. Sorry, but the mainstream denominations are the lukewarm church in the last days. I do not want to be there as I believe God’s judgement will be upon them. They will be surprised when they find they did not prepare for the bridegroom’s return. As prophecy says. I’m sure there are exceptions but in my town, my circle of influence, to make a difference, there is nothing.

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I’m not young either Janet; 68 in my case. And my perspective is somewhat different from most others who grew up in, or have spent most of their lives in, the professing Church. I am grateful to God for my flawed parents, and the dysfunctional upbringing that I had in the sixties and early seventies. But, amongst their other flaws, they were both nominal Christians, who largely, if not entirely, attended Church because, in that era of small town America, it was, often to a significant degree, considered pivotal to one’s ‘success’.

My father was a Brit, a former Royal Navy Officer raised in the Anglican Church, while mother was a Southern Belle, raised in the Episcopal Church, and we attended a ‘well-connected’, respectable, probably ‘lukewarm’, Episcopal Church.

The story could be fleshed out but, at ten, as the family was walking back into the house after Church, I declared that I was never going back. To my father, this was mutiny, and he spun around to deal with it in his usual forceful manner. As he bore down on me in fury, I stood still and, looking straight into his eyes, said, “You don’t believe in any of that stuff, and I don’t believe anyone else does either!” Later in life, with understanding that came after I became a committed Christian, I realized that it had to have been the Holy Spirit that had given me the courage of conviction to stand my ground like that, instead of fleeing with everything I had, as would normally have been the case.

At any rate, my words pierced my father’s heart, as if I had punctured a balloon and, from that day on, we never went to Church again, as long as I lived in their home. Thus ended my experience with ‘Mainstream, Denominational, Christianity’, until about 2.5 years ago.

Again, the story in its fullness is a rather long one, made longer by my relatively advanced age. It is, to me, as well as most others who have heard it, an interesting journey. I won’t go into it all here, but suffice it to say that it would have ended in suicide at 45, devoid of any lasting meaning, purpose, and value, had it not been for the grace and faithful love of the Lord. In unimaginable despair borne out of seeing, in one indescribable moment, the wreckage I had made of my life through self will, Jesus Christ lovingly intervened and, offering yet one more opportunity on top of the many thousands I had, quite literally, refused to embrace, restored me to ‘right relationship’.

I was blessed to be led to a wonderful, Non-Denominational, Bible-believing, God-honoring Church that taught the Bible word-by-word, verse-by-verse, chapter-by-chapter, in its entirety. That gave me a treasured foundation in the Word of God; the only sound foundation that a strong Christian faith can be built upon throughout the course of life.

I met my wife and was married in that fellowship, and I count myself greatly blessed indeed to have been led there by the Lord. But, for a number of reasons, that changed in the aftermath of 2020 and, in mid-2021, after much soul-searching and prayer, we left that fellowship and began to attend a local Southern Baptist Church, where we eventually became Members.

‘Membership’ was a new thing for both of us, as was attending a Denominational Church. The Pastor is a bold man of God, with leadership that is likewise mature and firm in their Biblical beliefs. But the key matter for any Christian is being led by - and following the leading of - the Holy Spirit, and so it was that we now have been richly blessed to fellowship and serve in modest ways within a Baptist Church.

We do not consider ourselves ‘Baptist’s’ but rather, ‘Bible-believing Christians’, currently fellowshipping within a Baptist Fellowship. We thank God for leading us here, but we know that the time might come when we are led elsewhere, just as has already happened. That said, we have experienced the richness of Spirit-led fellowship in the context of a Spirit-led Church body, and we see how tragic it is that this has been shattered to such a large extent by ‘the spirit of the Age’ in all its diabolical forms.

That is the basis for my previously stated views on fellowship. From the Word of God, we know ‘the wiles of the devil’ (Ephesians 6:11), understand the times and ‘what Israel should do’ (1 Chronicles 12:32) in the year ahead - and we know that, amongst other things, it is not to ‘forsake the assembling of ourselves together’ (Hebrews 10:25), but rather to be all the more diligent and careful to protect against disunity and broken fellowship in this day and time.

In all things, however, we are to be submitted to, and follow, the leading of the Holy Spirit - and it may well be that He desires to move a given believer from one fellowship - even one that has been a blessing in the past - to another. And in that, as well as all other spiritual matters, we need to be aware that ‘the flesh wars against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh’ (Galatians 5:17), being very careful to avoid being deceived and misled by our flesh; our ‘worldly’ tastes and desires…

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Dianne Denson's avatar

Look for a Cowboy Church. All about Jesus, the Bible & the Lord 🙏🙂

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Janet's avatar

They are far far away from me physically, but I may listen online. Thanks.

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Dianne Denson's avatar

Fire Rock Cowboy Church in Wickenburg, AZ

Stable Faith Cowboy Church, Brooksville, FL 🙂🙏

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ItsMeAgain's avatar

Maybe this is something you can look into : https://watch.actsxxix.org/therescueproject/videos/the-rescue-project-trailer

Created, Captured, Rescued, Response

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Dick's avatar

Started watching the series. So great!! Blessed as well to have found Father John Riccardo again. I’m not a Catholic but he speaks to all. Thank you so very much!— the best.

🙏🏽👆🏼✝️🕊💌

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Same.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Curious, what do you mean bowed to the devil?

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John infinity N's's avatar

If I had to guess, I think they mean the church shut down during covid and possibly mandated masks and or shots even. In my opinion any church with a 501c3 is bowing to the devil.

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Mike Perceval's avatar

I would encourage everyone to be cautious about pinning that label on a given church/fellowship. Many of us realize that what we have collectively been subjected to is the most sophisticated, technologically advanced psychological operation ever perpetuated on human beings. It was, is, and will continue to be, Satanically-inspired and directed, employing every scintilla of knowledge regarding fallen human nature gained through millennia of observation and manipulative experience.

That there are churches and/or church leaders that have literally ‘sold their souls to the devil’ is not questioned; it is a tragic, heartbreaking, and repugnant fact.

That said, there are many others who were initially taken in, or ‘erred on the side of caution’, often for the sake of the more concerned members of their congregations - many of whom were, in fact, gob-smacked by trusted leaders, family members, and friends, etc...

Thank God that many of us weren’t and weathered the storms of pressure from all sides. But we need to be thankful for that, exercise discernment, and lovingly show grace to those, even amongst leadership, remembering that we too can be deceived.

1 Corinthians 10:12

“Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.”

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Dana Hope's avatar

But how many of them have now apologized to their congregations for being fooled? Ours never did. Even if they had good intentions, it would be hard to not have seen the light by now.

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Dick's avatar

True. Still without a church home… I look for a church that has rejected the 501c3 tax exemption. But not in terms of pulpit politics. But Pro-life and a true exegesis of & application of scripture … & not church lite. It’s hard to find! I listen & read mostly dead guys : ))

Pilgrims Progress is still a wonder. Read the version with scriptural references & look ‘em up. What a journey!

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Janet's avatar

Same here. The district head stole our beloved pastor away from us as soon as we opened after a year. Gave us a newbie with obviously seminary sermons in his file. Not a care for what we had been through. Oh, well. Methodist. They often do this even in the face of all the upheaval now. 7,000 Methodist churches have left. I was not a lifelong member so I’m gone too. There is nothing there anymore.

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Tom's avatar

Well said!

These ongoing events highlight the importance of knowing God's Word. Every believer should be on notice that good fellowship and true teaching may become very scarce.

1 John 2:27

"But the anointing that you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in Him."

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Janet's avatar

That’s it. The district closed us for a year then a couple of months after opening the district moved or rather poached our excellent pastor away and gave us a pastor who was not even of our denomination yet. Warmed over sermons. There was no care that we had lost connections during that year and needed our pastor to help restore them. Plus, yes, the masks came back on in September 2021 and I was gone. I tried again this past spring. Sadly, I feel nothing there. Only a few old people like me and so much else is gone. God bless them, I believe I’m needed someplace else. I’m in a rural community and would like to stay in it and not have to drive far, but maybe that’s not for me to say.

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Mike Perceval's avatar

I understand, and agree Dana... I was very disappointed in the leadership of many well-known Christian leaders, and the leadership of many churches. Publicly acknowledging their error, and expressing their firm commitment to never fall for what they now understand was deliberate deceptive manipulation, would be a great sign of Spirit-filled, mature, trustworthy leadership. Our present church in Florida closed its doors for two Sundays, early on - when our good, trusted Governor gave that directive. But it only lasted that long, and the leadership did make a public statement regarding the matter, exactly as I outlined above.

That other church leaders haven’t done so leaves one room to wonder how they might respond in the near future, when ‘Round Two’ kicks into gear. By itself, however, it doesn’t, in my view, (necessarily) constitute a good reason to break fellowship and seek to find a new church.

Instead, I would suggest prayerfully entering into a face-to-face meeting with the leadership to discuss this matter, after which one might well sense the leading of the Spirit more clearly.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

I agree with much of what you said but don’t agree that the way a church acted during Covid is not a reason to break fellowship.

My church remained closed forever and when they did finally opened , they were awful. That gave me opportunity to visit many of the churches in my area, looking for one that was operating out of faith, not fear.

While with many churches you couldn’t step into the lobby without a mask, two of my favorites were operating just as they did before the fear campaign began.

So absolutely, I would never attend one of those fear-based churches.

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Mike Perceval's avatar

I wouldn’t either Dana, but there were many other churches who erred in far less egregious ways, but erred nonetheless…

There’s a judgement scale that I would say applies, and deliberate complicity, culpability, gullibility or unintentional failure to exercise one’s gifts in the conduct of carrying out one’s duties, would be some of the points lying along that scale.

We can all make mistakes, sometimes with serious consequences. And, very often, those that do acknowledge and take responsibility for their mistakes, which is what you called for in the beginning, become the most trustworthy people going forward.

What I was trying to communicate is that, in some circumstances, a face-to-face meeting with church leadership would be the best way to discern whether or not past failure constitutes a good reason to break fellowship.

Broken fellowship can have significant consequences. It may indeed be called for, but I believe that it should be approached very carefully and prayerfully.

In some cases, compassionate understanding and forgiveness, leading to greater love and commitment, is what would honor the Lord and better serve His purpose and desires. In other cases, divorce, painful and regrettable as it is, may be the right choice.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Of course, there’s a degree of culpability, but wouldn’t you rather go to a church whose faith is fully on display? And who doesn’t create fear based congregants?

Message to the American Church by Eric Metaxas… Epoch Times is making a docu on it and it will be out early Feb.

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Dick's avatar

I live in Oregon too, Kathy. Without revealing too much, can you tell me where you’re located? Upper Will. Valley here

Blessings!

🙏🏽👆🏼✝️🕊💌

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Hi fellow Oregonian, I’m in the Rogue Valley.

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Janet's avatar

Mine, or rather my former church, will do the exact same thing. I’m sure of it. The pastor is a newbie and sermons are reflected in the pablum he preaches. I’m in a blue state. We are to obey “state authority”. Not discuss politics as it destroys us.

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Janet's avatar

What John said below. I’m sure Satan is still laughing his arse off at what a good job he did destroying churches. So easy too. I had friends in my church who, when meeting in my little sermon study after the church closed, was so frightened she wore 2 masks OUTSIDE sitting around a fire in the dead of winter. It was so weird and I didn’t even know everything that was happening then. That this was planned.

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SoManyQuestions's avatar

I am praying right now that the Lord will guide you in this, Hannah. We drive 50 minutes to our church. It does require a sacrifice of time and gas as Mike said but I weep in gratitude sometimes with the blessings that abound from our fellowship there. Keep looking— good churches with faithful pastors and true believers are out there. You will find one!

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Martie Michaels's avatar

My parents drive some distance to church as well. She says “A church alive is worth the drive!”

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Mike Perceval's avatar

Great quip Martie! I’m going to run with that one! Thanks!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Amen!!!!! We drive 30 min. It isnt easy but many others have it harder. I don’t see us ever leaving our church.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

There are several places to look up local churches. Michelle Leslie, Getting 4 Life, has one in her blog. Particular Baptists have a directory.

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SoManyQuestions's avatar

Great recommendation.

https://michellelesley.com/searching-for-a-new-church/

Multiple search options. Michelle is a wonderful resource for many things.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

She won’t recommend Calvary Chapels and other churches that believe spiritual gifts are still available in this day??

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Mike Perceval's avatar

I love the original Calvary Chapel distinctives, and was greatly blessed by fellowship in a number of Calvary Chapel churches. We had to drive about an hour each way for many years to attend one such church, in Houston (Friendswood), Texas. But, with all the societal changes that have taken place over the past decade in particular, the ‘Calvary Chapel’ affiliation doesn’t necessarily mean what it once did, just as ‘Bible Church’ doesn’t mean all that it once did.

We now are members of, and enjoy sweet fellowship within, a Southern Baptist church, but it is Independent, and the Pastor is a wonderful man of God who is well aware of ‘the times, and what Israel should do’.

The bottom line is, everything has been and remains in a state of ‘flux’, and continuing Holy Spirit guided discernment is necessary to navigate through the various choices we all have to make.

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SB's avatar

Shepherds.org will have their Christmas Eve service live stream at 9:30am and 11am and it will probably be in the archives if you want to watch it later in the day. Dr. Davey is a true believer and Biblical scholar. You can watch live stream every Sunday at 9:30 and 11 am. Here is the youtube channel, too: https://www.youtube.com/user/ColonialBaptist/videos and the FB channel https://www.facebook.com/myshepherdsnc

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Mike Perceval's avatar

Where do you live Hannah, say within 15-20 miles?

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Hannahlehigh's avatar

Im in western Canada, do you live there?

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Mike Perceval's avatar

Sorry Hannah, but I’m very far from there and know nothing of the region. But I have friends that do. That said, I know enough to know that it is a vast region, so any geographic markers you could provide would be very helpful to anyone looking to provide you recommendations. You might get many, or there may indeed be few good fellowships available anywhere nearby. But it’s a starting point, and that’s often the most difficult part of the journey.

Finally, by simply being humble enough to express your situation and desires on a public forum, you now have many true brothers and sisters in Christ praying for you to find the answer to your hearts desire. And that’s a wonderful blessing in itself!

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Hannahlehigh's avatar

Im Catholic and Im sure you've heard about our pope that isn't, he is destroying the traditional Catholic Church doctrine by allowing women to be priests, gays to be priests and marry, along with other crazy things. I thought Id found a church in my town only to find out there was a female priest helping the male priest, so I can't attend there, it's wrong. There is another church farther from me Im going to check out, Im praying its a regular church w/o women priests and hopefully the Latin Mass.

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Mike Perceval's avatar

Yes, though I am a Protestant Evangelical, I’m pretty familiar with the ongoing issues and concerns regarding the current Pope. I have kept up with it primarily through Michael Matt’s ‘Remnant’ videos and emails, as well as others. It is shocking to see the apostasy in virtually every corner of Christendom, but I believe that such a falling away from the truth was foretold, along with so many of the other aspects of life that we see growing ever more corrupt, wicked, evil and devoid of any redeeming value in the world today.

In that sense, hard as it may be, we need to ‘strengthen ourselves in the Lord’, and re-frame our perspective to see that the world is actually growing ‘gloriously dark’, as the Latter Day prophetic Scriptures are in process of fulfillment. Amongst other things, it reinforces the validity and trustworthiness of all Scripture; something we may all benefit from, regardless of our maturity and beliefs. It is hard to bear, but God will give us the strength, wisdom, and other spiritual gifts necessary to live lives worthy of our calling under trials and tribulations.

If you cannot find a good, God and Bible honoring Catholic fellowship, then I would encourage you to consider attending a Protestant one. If nothing else, perhaps consider it a temporary refuge in the storm; after its passing, your search within Catholicism might resume.

Regardless, at the end of the day, there are not going to be Catholic, Protestant, or any Denominational ‘Departments’ in Heaven; there will only be God worshipping, God loving, and God honoring Born-Again Believers, by the grace of God and the life-giving sacrifice of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

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Hannahlehigh's avatar

Thank you, God Bless.

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ItsMeAgain's avatar

Maybe something to look into: https://watch.actsxxix.org/therescueproject/videos/the-rescue-project-trailer

Created, Captured, Rescued, Response

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Dick's avatar

Keep reposting, friend. I was just about to do that here myself, before I saw this. Everyone needs to hear this clear and beautiful Truth. The gospel. Again and again.

God Bless.

✝️

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Are you in Vancouver? Check out Oakridge Baptist Church.

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Mike Perceval's avatar

Hannah, following up on Lisa’s suggestion, it appears that Oak Ridge Baptist Church in Vancouver would indeed be a good place to add to your list, if you are within reasonable distance to that location.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

;)

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Hannahlehigh's avatar

No Im not.

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ACroneintheWoods's avatar

You are not alone. I have been searching for a "church family" over a decade, the corruption is everywhere, even in the smaller churches. This year I have noted many churches are not doing a late Christmas Eve service, the one I prefer to attend. I guess it is because Christmas Eve falls on Sunday. I may wing it and do my own.

Last church I went to visit they offered a meal after the service. I sat alone at the table w/six empty chairs. Not one person spoke to me, made eye contact, smiled, or invited me to sit at their table or asked if they could sit w/me at mine. So much for feeling welcomed.

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Elaine H's avatar

Try cornerstone chapel in Leesburg, VA. Can stream on your tube.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Where do you live? I have one in CA.

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

Happy Week Before Christmas, all!

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

A pointless post, but I was sitting here when the 'stack arrived, so I figured I'd play the juvenile "first" game.

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RunningLogic's avatar

It is maybe a little silly but it’s all in good fun so why not? 😁 We can all use a bit of harmless amusement sometimes! 🙂

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

True, but it'd've been nice if I had something more substantive to offer!! :-)

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RunningLogic's avatar

Fun and warm-hearted interactions are substantive imo 😁

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Dr Linda's avatar

It’s a fun game. No harm.

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ChrisB's avatar

One of my favorite games these days 😂🎄☕️

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RunningLogic's avatar

You too!

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Sarah Bee's avatar

Merry Christmas

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Politico Phil's avatar

Switzerland: Health insurance data shows 73% increase in people receiving cancer treatment since 2020

https://expose-news.com/2023/12/18/switzerland-health-insurance-data-shows/

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AL's avatar

Pfizer completes $43 Billion acquisition of Seagen on Dec.14, 2023 - becomes largest oncology company to treat most TURBO CANCERS caused by mRNA Vaccines - deep dive into the sinister aspects https://makismd.substack.com/p/pfizer-completes-43-billion-acquisition (https://makismd.substack.com/p/pfizer-completes-43-billion-acquisition)

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CHop's avatar

You beat me to it. Dr. William Makis is chock full of knowledge. Pfizer now has medications for 7 of the top 10 turbo cancers when they previously had only 2. Turns my stomach.

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AL's avatar

And you can bet they do not work. And round and round we go.

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RunningLogic's avatar

And I keep hearing ads for their myocarditis medication on the radio 🤔😡

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AL's avatar

They're not stopping no matter what. The most insane part is that they don't have to. At least half the world knows at this point and they are still plowing on through without a care for consequence. That's the real information right there.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Hopefully their arrogance will catch up to them some day.

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TimeIsNear's avatar

My wife teaches and there are some school districts now screening for heart issues before they play athletics. Also, I'm in a rural area and just received an ad in the mail for a new heart screening facility in a small town of 3k which is about a 20 minute drive. I don't get medical advertisements out here but I have now.

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RunningLogic's avatar

That’s crazy about the ads 😮 I’ve heard of other schools screening for heart issues for teens in sports too, so sad 😕

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TimeIsNear's avatar

I wouldn't have known they were screening if my wife had not said anything. She said these kids are having a lot of issues. One of the schools nearby recently had a kid drop dead. I told her it may only be a matter of time before she witnessed it. I just want her to be prepared the best she can if it does happen to her. She has seen the larger school districts go to crap and moved to a smaller district closer to home that's not pushing all the DEI crap. No filth in the libraries either. There are some rural schools out here that still lay down the law and the kids are much more behaved at those schools. The medical mailing stunned me. Never seen anything like it since we have lived out here. It was specifically for screening the heart. In a small rural town. I showed the wife and she shook her head because we know why. I just wonder if the owners know why. We don't know if many people took the jab in that town but out here in the rural area, not many took it. I can only think of 3 in the entire area and one of them now has aggressive cancer in her lungs. There may be one more that took it but I can't get an answer. He was probably in his 60's and died suddenly. I was surprised to hear it. He was in good health and worth a few million.

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Tom's avatar

Turbo Hegelian dialectic.

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Fred's avatar

Beat me to it...along with :

4/28/21 Pfizer acq Amplyx Pharm, dedicated to therapies for those with compromised immune systems.

12/21/21 Pfizer agreed to acquire Arena Pharm, focusing on pulmonary artery hypertension (blood clots, aka pulmonary embolism is a major cause) & inflammatory conditions.

Pfizer, too big to fail:

https://x.com/davidcwillisusa/status/1723877890989674640?s=46&t=cgHXnIMqpPDhO3oziEerWQ

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

😯😯😯😯😱

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Jaci's avatar

And the cancer treatments just extend the misery.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

I'm seeing people here recommend against getting colonoscopies and mammograms as they could cause more damage than it's worth. I wonder how true those claims are.

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CeCe Brown's avatar

I'm seeing same in natural health groups I follow. I personally know someone whose colon was unknowkingly perforated during a routine colonoscopy. Almost died and had months of issues from it.

Colonoscopies are a cash cow for medical companies. Very invasive. I won't ever get another routine one.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

I know someone as well. He almost died because of it AND has always had great docs and insurance. Just saw him last week and other issues have piled on, he is losing feeling in his legs. He’s been to top docs including the MAYO CLINIC and they can’t find a reason for his issue. He’s now walking with a walker. OH and he’s in the “medical products” industry so he knows a few people.

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Cynthia's avatar

When I found out there's no way they can completely sterilize the equipment between colonoscopies, that did it for me! Had one at 56, but never again!

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MaryAnn's avatar

I asked for a cooy of the colonoscopy consent form to be sent to my home address. At first I was told I could not have it but would be given one to sign at the time of the scope. I dropped it. Then, about a month later, one arrives in the mail. And the calls to schedule began. The medical cartel is relentless.

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Dr Jen | Syringa Wellness's avatar

Medical thermography was the gold standard in imaging breasts until Susan Komen came around. Just saying.

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Average Amy's avatar

I’m having a hard time finding where to go to find one? When I ask about this they all look at me like it’s foreign. Any suggestions on how to find a provider?

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Dr Jen | Syringa Wellness's avatar

this is one place to start. https://iamtonline.org/medical-thermography-near-me/

although, the two local places in my region aren't listed there.

also check out this link: https://iactthermography.org/locate-thermographer/ --> select "medical infrared thermographer"

(one of my local providers is listed here)

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Maureen ODH's avatar

Very professional breast ultrasound technicians... check for availability in your location: https://www.herscan.com/

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I won’t get them anymore. Just saying. I would opt for an ultrasound but the insurance will only cover the mammogram first. 🤨 Tells me everything I need to know.

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SB's avatar

Yep, mammograms are a cash cow, too. Years ago, of all places, a women's magazine did a full feature on how inaccurate mammograms are and how they actually have such a high false positive rate they cause a lot of people a lot of anguish for no reason. Not a single person I know found their breast cancer via mammogram. My SIL gets them religiously every year but she still got breast cancer. She noticed a change in tissue 10 months after the mammogram so went in for a mammogram but the mammogram didn't even detect it. Had to get an ultrasound to see it.

Edited to add: One of the stories in the Women's magazine was about a woman who tested positive on mammogram, went through radiation and chemo for awhile before someone noticed that she didn't actually have breast cancer. It didn't just go away, when they looked back, nothing was there.

Also, the radiologists literally spend less than a minute reading a mammogram. I did my PhD research in lung cancer screening and did a study with radiologists to read images. Even tho it was a new method, they still read in the image in about a minute. I was stunned. They'd view all my images in 30 minutes or less and I had over 60 images.

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Fed up's avatar

I used to transcribe radiologists’ reports. The hospital became progressive and went to “voice recognition” and laid most of us off but kept a few editors. Lots of lawsuits due to the many errors from this new voice tech. It would transcribe that tumors were present when there were none and miss them when they were present. You will see the same type of errors when they outsource these jobs to countries where English is a second language. For example, “below-knee-amputation” can be transcribed as “baloney amputation.” Docs don’t have time to check.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Wow! But not surprised. Unfortunately. I did medical transcription for 8 years back in the day..until I got laid off because of the voice recognition. If the general public knew this…they would think twice and get second and third opinions before believing a radiology report because some voice recognition program said they had cancer. Or because someone that doesn’t speak or read good English said it. 🤦🏼‍♀️

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Nkop Srtd's avatar

Sunnydale, I have never had a mammogram in my life. Always refuse stating I believe they are dangerous to the sensitive breast tissue.

I get the typical looks, but they always write a script for an ultrasound.

On the test results, they make sure to tell me that a mammogram is the "preferred" first step.

I have never had to pay out of pocket for the ultrasound.

I live in Florida. Perhaps that means something.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

That’s interesting. They ALWAYS say I need a follow up ultrasound anyway too. So I end up doing both. And I’ve never had to pay for the follow up ultrasound. Which is why I’m telling them next time I’m skipping the mammogram and just going right to the ultrasound. Hoping the insurance will still cover that. Glad to hear your experience has been good. Definitely trying from here on out.

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Nkop Srtd's avatar

Sunnydaze & CMCM,

I have just now seen both your comments. I don't know how I missed them.

Just wanted to say that I've been in the medical field for 50 years. Every day I say I've seen it all & everyday, the world proves me wrong.

I've been an advocate for the downtrodden my whole life, but it wasn't till I turned 50 that I became an advocate for myself.

The only thing I really own is this body. So I fight for my rights with a vengeance. Be it big or small issues.

I am polite,respectful & firm. So far, I have managed to get what I want. Praying that will always be true.

I don't have answers for anyone else, but I can certainly support one's decision to be the keeper of their own body & soul.

We're all on this same road together. Compassion, humility & prayer will take us far.

Blessings to you both.

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CMCM's avatar

I don't know what to think about mammograms any more. My neighbor was around 68 or 70 when she got her first one. She had fairly advanced breast cancer at that point and had to get a mastectomy. I believe she is still alive and now she lives far away from me, but I know the surgery was horrible for her.

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ASK's avatar

Estimated 1% increase in getting breast cancer with each mammogram.

Cologuard poop test is far easier than a colonoscopy and I believe just as good at detecting cancer.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Agreed. 100% funded by Medicare.

Plus you get the illicit thrill of knowing that you just sent a poo via US mail!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Thanks for the info!

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CitizenA's avatar

And Cologuard is so easy to do, in the privacy of your own home. My MIL had the colonoscopy and went home in pain. By that night she was in such pain she went to ER. They had perforated her colon! She almost died. Plus they cannot sterilize the scope thoroughly between patients. That is sickening in itself.

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http://alethonews.com/2022/07/08/is-a-colonoscopy-worth-the-risk/

COLONOSCOPIES: Via CNN, VERBATIM: “Colonoscopies are a dreaded rite of passage for many middle-age adults. The promise has been that if you endure the awkwardness and invasiveness of having a camera travel the length of your large intestine once every decade after age 45, you have the best chance of catching – and perhaps preventing – colorectal cancer. It’s the second most common cause of cancer death in the United States. Some 15 million colonoscopies are performed in the US each year. Now, a landmark study suggests the benefits of colonoscopies for cancer screening may be overestimated. The study marks the first time colonoscopies have been compared head-to-head to no cancer screening in a randomized trial. The study found only meager benefits for the group of people invited to get the procedure: an 18% lower risk of getting colorectal cancer, and no significant reduction in the risk of cancer death.” READ: https://fluence-media.co/3CO67B6

Colonoscopies reduce risk of death by 0.15%. Also link to colonoscopies debate.

https://sensiblemed.substack.com/p/great-colonoscopy-debate?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1000397&post_id=77786644&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

Colonoscopy study. Is it worth it

https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/colonoscopy-unexpected-results-from-a-major-study-is-it-worth-doing_5007390.html?utm_source=Ccpv&src_src=Ccpv&utm_campaign=2023-06-19&src_cmp=2023-06-19&utm_medium=email&est=WHjEqcje9RP1olazOT%2BUByn2ifIrs9a8ffLZNX62nrjQbEpGMroOZx%2BQ%2FGWgL9sosRs%3D

Alternative to colonoscopy in diagnosis. Colon cancer. Stool bacteria signature of abnormalities.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/research-finds-safer-way-to-detect-colon-polyps-5372452?utm_source=Bright&src_src=Bright&utm_campaign=bright-2023-07-30&src_cmp=bright-2023-07-30&utm_medium=email&est=tjalkURr3UDYYp9ZSQ5LwT1dPEFbNjYqZ5UPMBsa%2Fo4FTjyYGzgUP2r%2FckhdxYxdyO0%3D

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NinaG's avatar

Not to mention the deadly Poly Ethylene Glycol (PEG) that is used for colonosopy prep! Don’t do it!

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Peace's avatar

Excellent info - thank you!

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I did mammogram twice, quite a number of years ago. Then started to read about the procedure. Refused any more--and my MD, a man of great experience, did not criticize my choice. Did the colonoscopy thing once--2003?--back when I 'believed'--never again. My own two cents: inquiring scientific minds figure a way to check for these cancers, then money floods into the design of, and manufacturing of, machines to do the testing--then people have to be trained in the use thereof--then suckers have to be found to pay for these value-added services. Kind of like a VAT.

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Bubblehead's avatar

I have been reading about the same thing, but not here. I'm starting to question any so-called preventative health measure at this point.

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Christy's avatar

My preventative method is fresh food, sunlight and vitamins that dissolve in water and lots of exercise.

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Pat Wetzel's avatar

Couldn't agree more. We've been brainwashed. "If I get this test I'm a responsible and good person who cares". I personally doubt the necessity of many of these "wellness" rituals all oriented towards disease (not health).

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Christy's avatar

So sad isn’t it.

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Runemasque's avatar

https://drtenpenny.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-colonoscopy-pt-1

Epoch video. Cost benefit. Risk benefit of colonoscopies

https://www.theepochtimes.com/with-large-injury-numbers-is-a-colonoscopy-even-worth-it_5042796.html?&utm_medium=FrontlineHealth&utm_source=SocialM&utm_campaign=Colonoscopy&utm_content=02-14-2023

According to a systematic review and meta-analysisopens in a new tab or window they cited, roughly 26 per 1,000 individuals age 65 and up experience an adverse gastrointestinal event (perforation, bleeding, or cardiovascular or pulmonary complications) and one of every 1,000 die. And the risk for an adverse gastrointestinal event increases to 35 per 1,000 for people in their 80s.

https://www.giejournal.org/article/S0016-5107(11)01862-1/fulltext

Of nearly 10,000 adults 65 and up undergoing surveillance colonoscopy due to a prior polyp, colonoscopy turned up colorectal cancer (CRC) in 0.2%, advanced polyps in 7.8%, and at least three adenomas or sessile serrated polyps in 8.7%, according to researchers led by Audrey Calderwood, MD, MS, of the Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center in Lebanon, New Hampshire.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/gastroenterology/coloncancer/103533?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2023-03-14&eun=g1649327d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines%20Evening%202023-03-14&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition

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JW's avatar

The concern for HIV exposure is on my list as well as the scope itself cannot be autoclaved therefore cannot be deemed sterile from previous use.

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Christy's avatar

Won’t go to a doctor or hospital unless I have a broken bone. Too many horror stories.

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rolandttg's avatar

100 % true. I have posted here numerous times my wife was diagnosed with Stage 2B breast cancer a year and a half ago, She is in remission, with the tests to prove it., No oncologist, no surgery, no chemo , no radiation. How many people do you know who have done that? All lifestyle changes, better control of diet, nutrition, detox, emotional resolution, AND minimizing low level ionizing radiation (mammograms, X rays, MRI's , Cat scans, cell phones, WIFI. Thermograms are non invasive and need a much lower number (think years earlier detection) of cancer cells to detect them, Ultrasounds are good cancer detectors too, but insurance will not pay for it unless you have a mammogram first. These crush the breasts and push cancer cells into your system, and have low level radiation. Who started breast cancer awareness month? Astra Zeneca.

Colonoscopies are invasive, risk tears, and they will probably find something, usually things that will resolve themselves. No more for us ever again.

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Copernicus's avatar

I had personal correspondence with an awake GI doc a couple of years ago, and they said that colonoscopies are dubious.

Screenings used to be done with barium enemas. But of course that's messier and costs less and well, it's just easier for the docs to go in and get a nice look around. Never mind the risks of anesthesia, of intestinal perforation, of damage to the gut microbiome by the aggressive prep, and so on.

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SM's avatar

Both Mammograms and colonoscopies aren’t guaranteed to catch cancer, and can cause more harm in some patients.

Having been through a breast biopsy, I was specifically told by one of the nurses to never get a mammogram because of the type of tissue I have. She said “just get an ultrasound in the future. A mammogram won’t see anything and could aggravate your adenoma...” I was in my early twenties at that point.

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Jackie J's avatar

“All Americans have a $1,000 bill up their rectums-you just have to go up there and get it”. I read the quote in a book that I can’t remember the title. It was a European doc discussing American healthcare and colonoscopies-that he only prescribes when needed.

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Tom's avatar

VA was killing veterans with colonoscopies a while back. I'm not content with a response of "my bad."

I consider myself "un-doctored" now. Especially after my good VA doc, who did not push the jabs, no longer is in the employ of the VA.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

A friend of mine developed C. diff after a colonoscopy.

Very tough to treat and he was on multiple antibiotics for months.

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Deb's avatar

My niece as well.2 years very ill and hospitalized 3 times. In her early 30s. Healthy until colonoscopy recommended. Same with co worker. They have been thru hell. Not well yet

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Fed up's avatar

I’ve read that in the UK they abandoned mammograms due to them causing cancer. This was years ago, so can’t verify.

but logically, how on earth can something so violent on sensitive tissue, then radiated, be a good thing? I would never have one again. I read a story it was akin to having someone drive over your mammaries with a tire and then do it again. Had the experience and would agree. I could not believe how something so barbaric could be used. I remember yelling “stop” but they kept going. Just glad no one yelled “fire” and ran out while I was pinned under the plates.

As for colonoscopies, read a fantastic book by Jini Patel Thompson - link here: https://listentoyourgut.com/what-you-need-to-know-about-colonoscopy-ebook/ where I learned about the unsafe scopes being used. My GI doc even agreed. One big issue is that they cannot properly disinfect them. She had Crohns and healed herself. She is very knowledgeable and even from a family of physicians. Very helpful in my journey. She is also very awake.

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Pug's avatar

Barely... if one believes the whole 5 year survival BS stats put out by the medical industrial complex. Chemo and radiation cause cancer. That is a fact.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

These new cancers aren’t responding to traditional treatments!

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rolandttg's avatar

Guess what? Normal cancer does not respond to traditional (deadly, cause cancer themselves ) treatments.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

Oh! Very good point.

All the safer treatments get run out of town and suppressed. Thank you for mentioning that.

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Christy's avatar

Completely agree!!!

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

Chemo and radiation killed my husband. He got ACL from those procedures after being diagnosed with tonsil cancer. Thankfully for him, he went into a coma and never had to endure any more procedures 💔 2 weeks later he was gone.

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Tom's avatar

I'm very sorry for your loss.

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Chiropractors. Herbalist. Homeopath. Never another MD except in the emergency room, all the rest of it is poison or death.

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Truthseeker's avatar

My FIL began the pandemic badgering my husband and I relentlessly to get the vaccine- he loved us- wanted us safe- and he would not stop telling us we needed to get vaccinated… despite two of his grandkids being vaccine injured by the pediatric vaccine schedule

It felt like a total slap in the face to us both.

Like had he not been listening for the last decade and a half to what we’ve been telling him?

He got his first covid vaccine - two doses … and almost immediately fell down a very long flight of stairs… he laid at the bottom unable to get the bleeding stopped and the ambulance was called

He got his first booster - and fell again

And this is a man who plays 300 rounds of golf a year… he never had balance or motor issues. Not ever.

He got his second booster - and fell again

And then he also caught covid for the first time

And one day he called us up and said - I think you guys were right to not get the vaccine

And I am done with all of it.

And then he found GOD… in a profound way. He goes to a weekly men’s Bible study now and he really is very changed… in the best possible way.

God works in mysterious ways and I have been saying from the beginning of this - starting in March 2020 that I believe these events will turn a lot of people towards God who never knew him or have turned away from him… so I have seen this in my own family.

And this is one blessing in this whole mess.

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SoManyQuestions's avatar

Wow!! Praise God!! Thanks for sharing.

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Undine's avatar

I really admire your FIL for acknowledging that he was wrong, and turning to God. Many people would not have had that courage and humility. May he be well.

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CitizenA's avatar

Truth seeker, this is one of the tops in encouraging posts I’ve read. I pray there is hope for 2 of my 3 grown children, as well as my MIL who still trusts “the science.” And I pray their faith will be renewed; we need our Lord more than ever to battle the demons of this world.

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Russell Dodds's avatar

I would like your legal opinion on a topic from a couple of days ago. When Hunter Biden refused to show up for the hearing in the House of Representatives, did he violate the same law being used against the January 6 defendants? Did he delay or obstruct a federal proceeding?

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

I’ve been wondering how he could get away with that. What happens with him next then?

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Bubblehead's avatar

Nothing. Nothing ever happens.

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Lisa's avatar

Ignoring a subpoena used to be a big thing.

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FH's avatar

It is, for people like Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon. But it's not for those who adhere to the narrative TPTB are pushing.

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MaryAnn's avatar

Subpoenas given out like candy are ignored like last weeks msm news. A puff of smoke. And nothing happens.

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Steshu Dostoevsky's avatar

I believe your point about the heavy handed pressure by federal government on large corporations is why I was sent home on unpaid leave of absence for refusing to get jabs. And why the courts won’t take these cases seriously. The corporations blame the government and the government is the court.

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BuelahMan's Revolt's avatar

A huge international company I was working for used that covid lie to cull 130+ people all within 5 minutes of each other. I've often wondered if there is a suit there?

Jeff?

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Alison Smith's avatar

People are saying that Sandusky County can be sued for firing people who did not get the vax, a la NY and the teachers who got their jobs back, with back pay: https://sanduskyregister.com/news/494329/erie-county-health-department-completes-mandated-vaccinations/

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BuelahMan's Revolt's avatar

Thanks. But this was not a firing due to refusal of the shot. It was simply that business was falling off and they wanted to cull as many as possible.

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Peter Schott's avatar

It's hard to really have a lawsuit for something that would have resulted in layoffs anyway - unless you can prove you were let go as punishment and not because the business was doing poorly.

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Alison Smith's avatar

But did they use the vaccine as an excuse? That is unconstitutional.

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Fred's avatar

Aaarrgh! That name... 🤢

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Bridget's avatar

A class action based on medical/religious/geographic discrimination?

That would be terrific.

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BuelahMan's Revolt's avatar

It seems so. But that company is sure that they are suit-free.

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CStone's avatar

Not if they used the vaccination thing as the reason

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Heather LibertyCricket's avatar

Look up CovidPenalty on Telegram. Brian is working with several attorneys. They are starting to win. And have a plan to win at every single level. Why his work isn't getting more attention boggles the mind.

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Sue them! Lawyers are taking these cases and winning!

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Steshu Dostoevsky's avatar

Nope. Lawyers are not taking these cases unless they are paid by us plaintiffs. They know that they can’t win but will an enjoy being paid for looking like they can.

I saw this happen to a couple dozen of my colleagues. Lawyers drained them until they ran out of savings and when the money ran out the lawyers had nothing to show for it.

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

The lawyers hired on a contingency basis are winning. The ones who charge hourly on injury cases are scammers usually.

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Mazel Lee's avatar

☹️

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Beth Bart's avatar

Happy good morning C&Cs

🌞☕️🎄

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Amy Graff's avatar

Thank you, Jeff, for taking time out to ensure that your followers receive their daily dose of Coffee and Covid while enjoying your family's time away. I, for one, would have definitely experienced withdrawal without them!

To counterpoint your first item about Andre's lung cancer, I can tell you from personal experience, this could be totally unrelated to the jab.

My mom was diagnosed, and ultimately died from long cancer after having quit smoking 20 years prior. Quitting smoking doesn't equate to not getting lung cancer.

Also, my best childhood friend, at 38 years old, and never having smoked, died of lung cancer just three months after being diagnosed (total four months after symptoms appeared).

While I'm usually right there with you on these SADS stories, Andre's is one that just may unrelated to the jab, and the nature of the lung cancer beast.

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Valerie's avatar

Agreed. A lot of these deaths will be due to other causes, as there have always been people who died too young from things that shouldn’t have affected them. The problem is why the cause of death is rarely included anymore, esp for famous people. We know the jabs are killing some people, and not showing cause of death in these cases just makes it more suspicious... what are we not being told?

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Amy Graff's avatar

Couldn't agree more! Well- said!

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

Or the coverup, as Jeff reported on. Now we're hearing the Matthew Perry had ketamine and other drugs in his system. . . .and blah blah blah. Trying to blame the victim.

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Vaccines and cigarettes. They make huge profits until so many are killed and sickened that a tipping point is reached.. just the last two years life expectancy has plummeted catastrophically. Vaccines should go the way of cigarettes.

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mimi's avatar

My sister-in-law died in her 50s from lung cancer. She never smoked. Perhaps it was due to radon but we will never know.

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AJF's avatar

So many toxic chemicals in our environment!

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Amy Graff's avatar

I'm sorry for your loss. I agree... we may never know.. because the truth is being hidden from us

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mimi's avatar

Thank you. She died in 2010 so it certainly wasn't the covid jab.

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Roger Beal's avatar

My MIL also passed from non-smoker's lung cancer, 12 years ago. Radon is an interesting thought ... her home had a basement that rested on rock, in a hilly part of Westchester County, NY.

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SJ's avatar

Anybody with unexplained lung cancer should check their basements for Radon next

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Barnjai's avatar

My dad died at the age of 39 from “lung cancer.” That was in 1956. He was in the navy during WWII on The USS Kiawah, which I think was a mine sweeper. I was 5 at the time, the oldest of 4 children. Now I am pretty sure he died from Mesothelioma. So many casualties of war are not on the battlefields.

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Double Mc's avatar

My oncologist (22-year survivor of Non-Hodgkins's lymphoma) called lung cancer the Great White Shark of cancers. I know two women, never smoked, that died of lung cancer.

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devoalan's avatar

Yeah my bride’s best friend , an rn that worked with her, diagnosed with lung cancer and lived about three months. So I take some of these with a grain of salt. Apparently it’s possible to be very sick and carry on. My bride’s multiple myeloma erased her c7 vertebrae completely while working, and diagnosed after our last kayak paddle around the island a few days before. She only complained of a sore back.

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Joe's Garage's avatar

Is anyone else curious about the number of anonymous witnesses that have come forward? 12? As in the exact same number as a jury? What are the odds. All this over a top secret document of an event that really never happened? Did they check R Peters garage? Maybe the document blew under the corvette?

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devoalan's avatar

Oh look. 12 likes. Hmmm

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Shellie Willmering's avatar

I had to unlike that comment after reading this one. Too funny and I couldn't be the one to ruin it. 🤣

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devoalan's avatar

Ty, but it’s ok. I’d rather it got more, just found it funny when I looked at it!

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Joe's Garage's avatar

Well played

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