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PamelaZelie's avatar

“Poland says it doesn’t need them, never wanted them, and isn’t paying for them.”

May this spread to all nations. Would be overjoyed to see the corrupt, evil drug companies go bankrupt.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Poland has been smartening up after some misteps (like being the conduit to pump NATO gear into Ukraine). They:

- refuse 3rd world invaders

- no longer ship weapons into the front

- deny latest big Pharma garbage

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Perhaps we should move to POLAND!! I read a news article yesterday that a large number of migrants (illegals) from Venezuela are returning to their "home country" disillusioned with the "American Dream" which they said is anything BUT a dream. Guess what--WE THE PEOPLE already knew that...our progenitors WORKED for a living and didn't expect FREE STUFF. They relied on their "Yankee ingenuity" and our Creator God to carry them through life--COME WHAT MAY. Didn't expect "Government-funded education or Government-funded retirement. Didn't WANT "free stuff" because--SOMEONE ALWAYS HAS TO PAY.

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Susan Clack's avatar

A FB friend of mine did just that! Her hubs was of Polish descent and his retirement savings weren’t gonna go far in Texas...so they moved to Torùn, Poland a year or two ago. Happy as clams!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Beautiful!! Thanks for sharing this bit of "positivity", Susan.

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randall stoehr's avatar

And continue to make the best Polish Sausage. Recipe greatness never ends.

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Candy's avatar

I think of home improvement and tim’s slaskies (sp?)

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Ah YES--"kielbasa"-- used to eat it regularly--before I changed my "animal protein" preferences--LOL!!!

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CStone's avatar

Me too. Never again will I eat pork.....gag

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I was referring to minced up varieties of meat that are doused with sodium nitrates and nitrities for preservatives. Pork is fine with me--I'm not Jewish, BTW--HAH!!

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Maha's avatar

What made you stop eating pork?

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CindyLou's avatar

My guess: the fact that they have been using mRNA jabs in pigs since 2018, we recently learned.

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RebeccaGrrrl's avatar

If it wasnt such a cold temperature nation I might move there....

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daverkb's avatar

They sold hope. They did their job well and it sounded so, so very good. But they forgot to tell the EU prospects that the EU was always a NWO Marxist conspiracy for totalitarian government total control. Canada, Mexico and the United States beware.

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Karen Walby Ph. D.'s avatar

The EU objective was to take sovereignty away from its member nations. They lost any control over immigration. The USA has the ability to do it but doesn’t.

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daverkb's avatar

Exactly right.

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MaryAnn's avatar

Obama was our Hope salesman. 😖

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daverkb's avatar

Yes, Hope and Change ... this was the Obama-ite mantra. And it is always a Hope and Change which never materializes. I saw transparently saw through Obama for the extreme Marxist he was and has never really denied being. But back in the day and many decades ago, I did not have the beginning of a clue where state amalgamation was going since everything then (and still is) was done by deception. Who some fifty and more years ago had the idea that the EU project was part of a world totalitarian movement? Not the most of us.

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Garden Lover's avatar

I also thought it was very interesting that Obama overtook Clinton so easily. One of my very progressive friends at the time (we are no longer friends at all. No loss there.) denied it had anything to do with the fact that Obama was a man and Clinton was a woman. It was our discussion about how O had no more, and perhaps less, experience than C. I told him that this switch over to O just proved the continued bias against women. He said it had nothing to do with it, but rather her connection to the old regime.

Ahahaha!

Mind you, I didn’t like her anymore than I liked him, but here he was claiming to be all progressive and he was still supporting a man over a woman. Now, I’m sure he supports the trans “women” over real women because, you know, that’s how it is.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I had the opposite feeling about it, actually. I never thought it a good idea, and I was mystified why they'd all want to give up their individual and national sovereignties.

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nancylee's avatar

all of western europe is the size of texas. imagine border crossings between every state in the US and even between larger counties. imagine non stop currency exchanges. imagine on the plus side everyone speaking 4-6 languages which made this american feel like a total ignoramus

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Ripple's avatar

Not true about the size of western Europe, not even close. France alone is about the size of Texas and Spain comes pretty close.

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Susan Clack's avatar

Don’t have to imagine. Been there, done that. Not a problem! My French was horrible and I could barely understand what the Brits & Irish said...LOL

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Anthony's avatar

Imagine two world wars.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Not from this corner of the globe--I could foresee it was the "first step" toward a "one world government" miasma. I would be THRILLED if the EU dissolved!!

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CitizenA's avatar

And on a bit of a different topic but with the same attitude - Italy says it doesn’t need, want, or will allow fake (lab created) meat in their country, and will fine anyone trying to sell, make, import it. Now they have to contend with EU on that ruling.

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Italy's right-wing government has backed a bill that would ban laboratory-produced meat and other synthetic foods, highlighting Italian food heritage and health protection.

If the proposals go through, breaking the ban would attract fines of up to €60,000 (£53,000).

Francesco Lollobrigida, who runs the rebranded ministry for agriculture and food sovereignty, spoke of the importance of Italy's food tradition.

The farmers' lobby praised the move.

Read more of the article here …

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65110744

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Lorita's avatar

I am so impressed, what a great thought: keeping our traditions alive. The pendulum is swinging.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

We can only PRAY that this is the beginning of a massive UPRISING among WE THE PEOPLE worldwide!!

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Lorita's avatar

Yes, let's keep praying for this. God always wins. And good people encourage good people. ; D

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MaryAnn's avatar

Reminds me of the Bug’s Life movie…

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IR's avatar

Amen!

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PamelaZelie's avatar

I hope it passes.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

One of the few aspects of modern UK life is the BBC reporting!! I also appreciate that their female commentators look educated and authentic instead of "Barbie Doll" wannabes!!

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CStone's avatar

Everything I have heard about the BBC is that it is the CNN of UK........

And ‘looking educated’?

How does one ‘look’ educated?

Just asking.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

They speak clearly and succinctly and they dress conservatively without showing their "cleavage"!! Of course, I'm describing REAL women--not the "tranny ones"!!!

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ILoveherbs's avatar

An interesting & hopeful read. I hadn't read about synthetic milk before, although much of baby formula is artificial with all the additives isn't it?

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RebeccaGrrrl's avatar

THey do sell vegetarian ‘fake’ meat though. Mostly side dish stuff. I’ve seen it on their grocery shelves, but not the fake beef patties or fake ground beef. Hadn’t ever seen that. Hopeful about this.

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CitizenA's avatar

Thanks for your comment. I should have said “lab created” meat instead of “fake” meat. But I think most readers knew what I was talking about… hopefully.

The article did say they planned to eliminate the word “meat” from products that were not actually meat but other ingredients such as veggies.

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Phillip Zinni III DO FAOASM's avatar

FINALLY! May native country has a SPINE! But then most Italians think with their stomach ;-)

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

You can edit your comments. Click the three dots.

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Phillip Zinni III DO FAOASM's avatar

When I click 3 dots, it's either 1) share, 2) hide or 3) delete. Edit not an option?!🤯

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

I get Edit and Delete, but not Share.

Strange.

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ILoveherbs's avatar

I think with my stomach too 😂😂😂

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

That and the "little head"!!

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Mcgeehee's avatar

Ha ha. Goes w/o saying.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Oh...I prefer to restate the "obvious" - might awaken some of the "dead"heads!

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WendeAnne's avatar

🍝🍷🍕

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

What's that first graphic--is that a dinner plate or a perfume bottle--LOL!! The second is a glass of wine and, of course, the ever-present PIZZA PIE! Did you know--northern Italian fare is far more "bland" than the rest of Italy--mainly because most of northern Italy was a part of Austria (repartitioning after WW I) for decades and the Austrian influence can be "tasted" in northern Italian fare--even today! We visited that part of Italy in 1983, and I was very discouraged by the bland way they cooked spaghetti--NO SAUCE ....just finely chopped meat and cheese. I ate what I could because I was famished--but it was horrible!

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Fred's avatar

Absolutely true! Not only fake meat - anything other than Italian meat is banned (except on the US owned military installations).

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RebeccaGrrrl's avatar

Hadn’t heard that but LOVE it.

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FourWinds's avatar

Poland is intelligent and good for them!

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OnTheJump's avatar

Poland has done many things well - but I have to wonder what is behind its recent efforts to stockpile arms ..... a HUGE effort. What are they planning for ? Three guesses, and I'm thinking you only need one.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/south-korea-lining-up-banks-help-finance-22-billion-arms-sale-poland-2023-11-03/

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

They were the first country invaded in WW II--so I would imagine it's for protection against the aggressors of WW III--which I shudder to contemplate.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Any aggressor would have to endure the wrath of NATO.....on the other hand - what if THEY were contemplating taking an aggressive stance? Perhaps one that, under Article 5, NATO would not support.

.....who the heck knows? By the way, it seems that S. Korea has also provided the technology and know-how to Poland to build the weapons themselves - and Poland is currently building factories for just this purpose.

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FH's avatar

Worth remembering that it was the Russian Empire/Catherine the Great that partitioned Poland - actually the Poland-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which encompassed today’s western Ukraine in its boundaries while Kiev/Eastern Ukraine was Russian, and Crimea was captured from the Turks/Ottomans under CtG as well - back to the point: partitioned *three times*. The land was divided between Russia, the Austro-Hungarians, and the Prussians. All that was left was the itty bit around Warsaw. Poland regained much of its land in the negotiations at the end of the Great War/WW1, 125+ years later.

How the heck did the Polish people maintain their national identity and culture for over 100 years? And a relatively short time later, started the dominoes falling in the crumbling of the Soviet system, spending decades (we are wise to note) fighting for their independence- and winning! May they once again, undo another empire: the EU.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

The Poles are notorious for their obstinance - one must realize the obstinance CAN be a virtue (unlike "stubbornness").

My money's on the POLES, friends!

Oh--and thank you for the very valid social studies lesson on the backstory of the boundary changes of various Eastern European countries, FH!

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Also need to bankrupt the profiteers in charge. Bourla is rich enough that his company can fail without much discomfort and he could then just do it again under a different name.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I wonder how may "ordinary people" know that Bourla's degree is in VETERINARY MEDICINE--he knew full well there are TWO GRADES of Ivermectin --1 for HUMANS and 1 for ANIMALS!

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CitizenA's avatar

Not sure if there are 2 grades of Ivermectin or not, but certainly each had their own labeled use, even being the same exact ingredient(s). There are many medications that are used for both animals and people. Even your vet will tell you when you can use a human medication (or not) for your pet.

It was just a great way to stop people from seeking treatment, that the medical community failed us on, by telling us you are not a horse or a cow. This they hoped would stop anyone from considering taking their own health in their own hands. Instead, leave it to the professionals who choose to do NOTHING until our lips were blue and we were too far gone.

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KBB's avatar

It's the same ivermectin, just formulated and packaged either for human or animal consumption. Humans can use the horse dewormer paste form of ivermectin just fine. It requires some math to calculate the correct dose for a 150-lb human vs a 2,000 lb horse, but it's the same stuff.

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Fred's avatar

Are you certain about that difference? IDK.

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Fred's avatar

Don’t agree that they’re different (although animal is sold with other components too), and pretty sure WebMD changed how IVM was presented. Mg/kg dose exactly the same in animal and human form (initially; rec dose higher now per FLCCC). All part of the “there can’t be a treatment that works” IMHO. Many F&F have successfully used the animal version, including one who mistakenly took the dose for a 1200 lb horse! 🤪 The only AE, a few extra trips to the bathroom. That said, I’d rec the human form because quality control should be more strict. Thanks for the link, Sharon!

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Trying and hanging Bourla for mass murder is entirely appropriate.

Not hanging him is the real crime.

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Fred's avatar

Name change may not even be necessary:

4/28/21 Pfizer acq Amplyx Pharm, dedicated to therapies for those with compromised immune systems.

12/21/21 Pfizer agreed to acquire Arena Pharm, focusing on pulmonary artery hypertension (blood clots, aka pulmonary embolism is a major cause) & inflammatory conditions.

Pfizer, too big to fail:

https://x.com/davidcwillisusa/status/1723877890989674640?s=46&t=cgHXnIMqpPDhO3oziEerWQ

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Yep--very well planned--they are going to "clean up" one way or another!! At the "harm" their concoctions are inflicting on hundreds of MILLIONS of citizens around the globe.

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Fred's avatar

No words! 🤬 Need my C&C friends to keep me sane! I still remember reading a couple of the early, deeply flawed studies on IVM. I swear, until I awoke to the big picture, I wondered if I was loosing my mind. Really hard to comprehend that much evil.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I've lost whatever innocence I had left after the past 3 1/2 years or ludicrous and evil finaglings of the powerful and greedy people and organizations existing in today's "advanced" technocratic age.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

They acquired a pharma company focused on clotting? Could it be that they are trying to leverage the damage their other products caused? (Read in the voice of the Oak Island narrator) ; )

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

No leveraging--they'll make HUGE profits from the "harm" the "jabs" are creating--a very "prudent" move on Bourla's part--the Board of Directors must be very "proud" of their business acumen - devils--the lot of 'em!!!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Good point.

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SPONGEWORTHY47's avatar

the covid shots are no longer available in ICELAND...quietly

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Never happen--but we will see some BRIGHT SPOTS on the horizon. The EU would have to dissolve and we would have to have a return to semi-ethical governance!!

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Corkey's avatar

Demand refunds and REPARATIONS!!

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Garden Lover's avatar

If only. Today, my city’s newsletter arrived in my inbox. It only had one thing in it: where and when to get your flu and COVID shot. I struggle with how they are still pushing this when the CDC doesn’t even recommend it. It’s to be expected, though, as I do live in So Cal.

I have many fantasies about the pHarma companies going bankrupt, fantasies about the heads being tried, found guilty, labeled pedophiles, and thrown in jail with the regular population where justice will truly be served. But, then, I remember, karma will take care of everything, and she’s quite the bitch. 🤪

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

Then Moses and the sons of Israel sang this song to Yahweh and said,

“I will sing to Yahweh, for He is highly exalted;

The horse and its rider He has hurled into the sea.

Yah is my strength and song,

And He has become my salvation;

This is my God, and I will praise Him;

My father’s God, and I will extol Him.

Yahweh is a warrior;

Yahweh is His name.

Pharaoh’s chariots and his army He has cast into the sea;

And the choicest of his officers are sunk in the Red Sea.

The deeps cover them;

They went down into the depths like a stone.

Your right hand, O Yahweh, is majestic in power,

Your right hand, O Yahweh, shatters the enemy . . .

Yahweh shall reign forever and ever.”

— Exodus 15:1-6, 18 LSB

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Marie's avatar

Thank you for sharing….read this gem this week and it has stayed with me all week..

“Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.” John 6:68

Beautiful reminder that there is no one else but Him!

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

Lovely and powerful. Thank you.

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nt's avatar

🙌

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GG's avatar

When I was a child, one of the worship songs we sang at church was from this scripture. I’ve been struggling to get through some tough times at work so I began singing praise songs at the top of my lungs as I drive in each day. I’ve had to really cast back in my memory for some of these, but this particular song is one of my favorites; I love the melody, the declaration of God’s might, and the resolve to praise Him. It really starts out my day in the best possible way. It reminds me of who I am and what I’m called to do - praise Him!

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

Some of the songs from my kids' cassettes and CDs still go through my head. I remember one catchy line especially: "It's not by might nor by power but by My Spirit..." His word does not return to Him void, without accomplishing the purpose for which He sends it!

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GG's avatar

My parents wouldn’t allow me to listen to anything but Christian music when I was growing up. It made me feel like a weirdo and I rebelled and sneaked secular music whenever I could. Somehow though they managed to get a lot of Christian music into my soul. It always amazes me now when I’m struggling with something how the lyrics from these old songs, which are usually lifted directly from the Bible, come to mind just when I need them. Yes, He says His word won’t return void, but it’s amazing to see Him in action. Another promise kept.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

During a few long-commute years, about all my little ones heard and sang along with in the car was a character named Psalty. One beautiful song in particular, “Welcome to the Family,” is still crystal clear, in my mind at least. I like the way the KJV expresses this fact: “Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it” (Proverbs 22:6). Some years were nailbiters, but like you say, another promise kept.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

I remember Psalty!

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Works the other way too. In 70s I loved Kansas and later found out they were Cri- Cri- .... 😁

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MaryAnn's avatar

I recently heard Carly Simon’s “I haven’t got time for the pain” and realized she is singing about coming to know Jesus. I sing/hum that tune all day long ❤️ Also, Elvis’ “Welcome to my world” quotes scripture ❤️ Ask… seek… knock…

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

Yes, there are some secular song lyrics I wish I didn't have in my head. :)

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Oy. The harvest from sowing to the flesh, ain't it? Taking liberty with Bob Segar here, but I wish I didn’t know now what I shouldn’t have learned then.

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Lorita's avatar

What a wonderful thing...

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GG's avatar

I think it has made a difference in my day. Plus, in the last week or so, I heard it read something about how singing is actually good for your health! It lowers cortisol, reduces stress and improves lung function. So I’m probably getting more from it than I put into it. God is so good to us.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

I believe it drives away the enemy as well.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Amen. Sets a heart on things above.

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Peace's avatar

Singing stimulates our vagus nerve which gives so many health benefits! And humming as well!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

While lying in bed at night I "silent sing'" some of the precious Christian hymns I sang as a child (standing between my mother and my maternal grandmother - "Jesus Loves Me" is still my very favorite.

Do you all know the #1 tune throughout the ENTIRE WORLD-- "Somewhere Over the Rainbow"--a plaintive secular tune and, if you really ponder the words--the composer was "searching for soul peace"....didn't find it though!

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Peace's avatar

Sharon - What a lovely way to drift off to sleep!

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Peace's avatar

Sharon - Here is a version of this song by a Hawaiian with a beautiful voice and simple accompaniment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fahr069-fzE

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CStone's avatar

Same.

“Let Yah arise and His enemies be scattered”!!!!

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GG's avatar

A new one to add to my repertoire! Thank you!

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FH's avatar

Janice, your comments re singing hit home. I have also been moved by keeping in mind what was shared over at the conservative treehouse, by “menagerie.” I’ve been practicing this type of thanks as often as I think of it

www.theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/11/23/thanksgiving-prayers-from-st-basil-2/

May you heart be full of His love, and blessings abound.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Amen, Janice.

"If you suffer with Him, you will reign with Him. If you cry with Him, you will have joy with Him. If you die with Him on the cross of tribulation, you will possess the eternal dwelling place in the splendor of the saints. And your name, written in the book of life, will be glorious among men."

–St. Clare of Assisi

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Same home town as St. Francis (forgive me...I am not Catholic and only know about 2 or 3 "saints" as they are named in Catholicism). Actually...in New Testament Scripture---all those who accept Jesus Christ the Lord as their PERSONAL Savior are then named as "saints"!

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PamelaZelie's avatar

St Francis and St Clare were contemporaries in the 12th century. Clare was drawn to the spirituality and lifestyle of Francis.

“She founded the Order of Poor Ladies, a monastic religious order for women in the Franciscan tradition. She wrote their Rule of Life, the first set of monastic guidelines known to have been written by a woman.”

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Very interesting - thank you, Pamela.

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Datagal's avatar

Am I first to thank Janice???

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Barbara ( Portlander😵‍💫)'s avatar

How do you pick your verses?

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

I read until I land on what I think the Lord wants me to share. Sometimes He brings to mind a theme or word and I search several passages. He is good.

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Ellen's avatar

Janice, if you could recommend some music sometimes I would truly appreciate it. I know some hymns, and have hymnals, but would love to be exposed to music that is more - contemporary? or just what your kids listened to. :) Thank you.

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Peace's avatar

Here's a piece I've been ruminating on recently - Be Still My Soul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ1dl2d8WmI

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

I heard these two at a memoral service recently. The Wynona song, "Testify to Love," has been around awhile I guess, but I never listen to "country." However, I love the message of this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHBdGz2wH6Q

Not sure how I missed "Hymn of Heaven" by Phil Wickham--except maybe because I never turn on the radio--but it has a beautiful message as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_baJyIQp_w

Anything by Selah: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC818yHbIv3DXI-ztZ22dATA

"Almost Home" brings me to tears every time. I especially love the movie version with Jeremy Camp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HzToLsHzCY

Just a side note: I don't care for sultry female voices or songs with cheesy lyrics. That leaves out much of contemporary music in my opinion.

As for what my kids listened to, I can't even remember. There was a story Bible that came with cassettes with songs created from Scripture. My goodness, 30 years ago for my older kids!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Glad you mentioned Selah--they are my "go to group" when I hit YouTube and need a Gospel tune "extravaganza"--I have 4 of their CD's and treasure them!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Using 'even a minor sniffle is actually covid' rules, we must assign the cause of the car that crashing at the Canadian border as a vaxxident.

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ASK's avatar

And since Gene Simmons of Kiss was a vaxhole and railed against the unvaccinated, you kind of have to assume that couple was vaxxed in order to attend their concert. Right? Oops. Big, big mistake.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Gene Simmons' attitude, among others, was a surprise and a disappointment.

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Andrew E Pontzer's avatar

Not a surprise for a Knight In Satan's Service

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

I was around for many of these controversies. I think Petra had the right idea with the backmasked intro for "Judas' Kiss". When played backward it says, "What are you looking for the Devil for when you ought to be looking for the Lord?"

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Andrew E Pontzer's avatar

KISS = Knights In Satan's Service

so of course Gene Simmons would be pushing the shot.

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Bgagnon's avatar

Wow ... never a fan so had no idea!

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LoveOur2Dogs's avatar

Wow, I never knew that! Makes total sense though.

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Mrs. Itoldya!'s avatar

Long time fan.. Almost 50 years & never, ever heard or read such a thing? (Though Gene’s very ill advised attendee requirement is beyond disgusting imho!) The name KISS came from Paul’s old band Lips & the “S”s were supposed to be lightning bolts. They LOVED all the circulating rumors & crazy stories & made fortunes off of those.

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Bgagnon's avatar

Good catch!

Vaxhole ... 👍😁

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liz's avatar

and who is the member of Kiss currently in the hospital battling big problems/

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Mrs. Itoldya!'s avatar

Paul Stanley... A flu he cannot kick... 😔

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CStone's avatar

Gene Simmons was in hospital, I think, in April......

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Paige Green's avatar

Reading Jeff’s account made me think exactly this!

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Deni Huffman's avatar

VAXXIDENT!! Trademark that!!😂

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SeeingTruth's avatar

I have a friend, unvaxed, who was involved in a vaxxident or vaccident - however one chooses to spell it. Guy got the shot, 30 mins later while driving had some type of issue crossed lanes of traffic, hit and totaled 3 parked cars and stopped under a parked semi. My friend who was sitting in her car experienced a lot of head trauma, almost lost hearing, started going blind in 1 eye, and now the other. Others involved also suffered serious injuries. The last thing the shot receiver remembered is getting the shot.

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Kathy's avatar

Oh that’s awful. Prayers for everyone.

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SeeingTruth's avatar

Thanks for the prayers 💜

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shayne's avatar

Now take that whole scenario and apply it to airplane pilots who were mandated to receive the clot shot!

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ILoveherbs's avatar

The consequences of our decisions are astounding! I'm so sorry your friend is experiencing someone elses consequences. Prayers for all involved.

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Paige Green's avatar

Since the vax rollout, I assume EVERY driver may be lethal. Sharpen up on those offensive driving skills people!

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WP William's avatar

Look back at pre-CoVid out of control, careless trucker who immolated Colorado drivers on I-70 West of Denver; our Gov. interposed personally in the sentencing process of this negligent, selfish killer immigrant-driver because Kim KarTrashian didn't like the consequences he was facing. NO consequences to a Fake-Married Billionaire Gov. who gave clemency to a soulless mass killer (pampered on death row for 30+ years), Obstructed sentencing for the truck driver, enabled and encouraged Unemployment fraud during CoVid, sentenced nursing home residents in Cuomo-fashion, stole Tax Refunds to dole out equally to every voter before 2022 election, offered a Fake Tax-cut in exchange for future tax refunds for 2023 election (Prop Hell and Highwater) and has now presided over a special session of screwing the people again since it was rejected. This is how all Commies govern and they get off on it.

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Ddm's avatar

I live in Colorado and couldn't agree with you more. It's so frustrating. And the GOP from state to local is so divided and messed up. Case in point with what happened in Douglas County on last election. Lost all the conservative school board candidates to union backed liberals.

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You still believe in election integrity in Colorado. Colorado has been the beta test state for stealing elections since the early 2000's. Remember, Dominion was/is headquartered there. And its predecessors, Diebold and Smartmatic were soon after the "hanging chad" 2000 election pushing the electronic machines as a solution. They hired the most powerful lobbyists in the state, from R and D administrations, spending huge sums (for Colorado) on passing the election "reforms" promising paper trail audits, open inspection, transparency and security, dismissing concerns raised by seasoned senior citizens with Election Watch groups warning of the dangers. "C'mon, granny, this is the 2000's, we have to change with the times, trust us!"

The COGOP has been run by fake Republicans since the Bill Owens administration. Dick Wadhams, Ryan Call, Kristi Burton Brown, a long cast of horribles. The current Chairman sounds MAGA but I don't know much about him. And establishment R's demonize him and say they want to purge the party of its "loons" so they can move past the divisiveness and be a more inclusive party. Yes, you read that right. Kettle meet Colorado Pot.

And don't forget about the Democrat posing as former Republican Secretary of State Wayne Williams. Came up through El Paso county (Co Springs), assumed to be a strong conservative because of his origination. He brought on a former Rocky Mountain News political reporter, Lynn Bartles, as his communications director. A big lefty...as a GOP SoS. Establishment R's treated him like he walked on water. While he was busy hollowing out election integrity laws as Secretary of State.

The DougCo R candidates didn't so much lose as they had their elections stolen from the voters, again. By fake R's collaborating with D's.

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And Fort Collins is ground zero. Health commissioner has direct ties to Fauci, and we had the most draconian lock downs in the state. People are STILL vaxxing and masking here. None of the numbers in Larimer County made sense in the last election. Please explain to me how on R ballots, people voted AGAINST Prop HH (definitely a partisan issue) and FOR union backed school board candidates and progressive city council members? Nope. Not buying it. Not for one single solitary second.

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And Colorado D's just completed a special session called by D gov Polis to pass Prop HH in spite of the voters just rejecting it weeks earlier. Why would politicians who have to be reelected go against the resounding will of the people - it failed by large margins - unless they knew they wouldn't be held accountable by voters...because they control the results of candidate elections?

"We're doing this anyways because you can't do jacksh!t about it."

Don't buy it. Don't buy fake election results. Not for one single solitary second.

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WP William's avatar

the Dems and Pro-aGressive Reps/Liebertarian "CON-servatives" keep us individualist MAGA-minded idiots from grouping together to oppose almost anything; the white liberal mommies with as many kids in their EV leather lined child car seats as past abortions they've undergone are the ruin of the nation. Bullying begins in the womb and carries through to the ballot machines. Polis is great at sticking his business into ours with his Dem Army and the Bi's (that means Bi-Partisan fellow Trump Voters) in the Rep. Party.

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OnTheJump's avatar

🎯

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WP William's avatar

thankfully it wasn't a diesel Canadian freedom-trucker lorry but holy-EV Lithium Battery burning smokes; the KISS concert pyrotechnics were put to shame by the Bentley Bomber.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

The Bentley Flying Spur is a hybrid EV.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a38805060/2022-bentley-flying-spur-hybrid-drive/

And when you read how much of an EV it is paired with ICE, including the system control technology it has, it's not a big stretch of imagination to have suspicions that the vehicle's controls had something to do with it. And that hot, hot fire is easily explained by the Lithium battery on board.

Looks like we have a pick your progressive villain opportunity in the story:

Safe & Effective Clot shot

or

Safe and Effective Electric Vehicles

Pick your (true) conspiracy!

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RunningLogic's avatar

The irony of it being called the “Flying” Spur…

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Bandit's avatar

IKR?! I actually thought Jeff was kidding about the name of the car.

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RunningLogic's avatar

He’s been known to do that kind of thing on occasion so I’m not surprised you were expecting a punchline 😆

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

A joke born in hell. Spur-of-the-moment immolation.

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daverkb's avatar

Thanks for the info. And so an additional reason not to get an EV. Getting fried worse than a crackling grasshopper in a brush fire.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

They took out the Ford Pinto for fewer safety hazards than EV's have. While those clot shot lawsuits ripen product liability law against EV auto manufacturers is a tempting target. Jeff?

https://www.tortmuseum.org/ford-pinto/

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

Where Ralph Nader when we need him?

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Isn't "true conspiracy" an oxymoron - belongs right up there with "ethical politicians"!!

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WP William's avatar

Safe and Effective Green Deal transportation; media investigative journalist reporter should have found a pair of un-singed laminated Vaxx cards with current bivalent boosters checked off, along with a mostly-intact Trump 2024! bumper sticker just to screw with us all...and a video showing Ray Epps pointing as it careened over the curb like a Confederate-decked Dukes of Hazzard stunt.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Can I pick one from column A and one from column B?

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Yes, but you'll hunger for a new conspiracy theory in half an hour 😛

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Two conspiracy theorists walk into a bar.

You can't tell me that's just a coincidence!

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Too true!

I am not sure what it means but all my fortune cookies contain the same message: "Help! I am being held prisoner in a fortune cookie factory!"

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Freedom Fox's avatar

It presents quite the conundrum!

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RG Short's avatar

You can see that smoke is coming from passenger side front wheel. Panicked and mashed brakes. I tell my family that if they ever get a runaway throttle to drop the transmission in neutral. I don’t care if the engine destroys itself. That’s going to happen anyway. Ask your kids when you’re teaching them to drive, how they would respond. Do that several times throughout their driving lessons so their automatic response is to go to neutral; then brake.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Aging millionaires driving to a KISS concert, eh? That sorrowful crash is more proof that money does not buy good taste.

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WP William's avatar

I did see KISS pre-Covid, yes time has moved beyond their self-hype $$ machine but i do applaud the show it truly rocked out i was truly surprised since i've never been much of a KISS Army guy ever. But NOT worth even a single-dose VAXX or a firey death either way. Too bad the successful couple wasn't on their way to a TRUMP Rally instead.

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Kathy Boston's avatar

I still don't understand why people are not talking about Ralph Baric making coronavirus dangerous at the University of North Carolina funded by Fauci. Then they offshored the research to Wuhan where Baric taught those scientists how to make it dangerous to lung tissue. Dr. David Martin has stated this in a document with timelines, patent numbers and dates. Each Attorney General in every state has a copy of the document (proposed indictment).

There are dangerous bio labs all over the US. Including within universities. Many are labeled life science buildings

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Anne Clifton's avatar

I've been talking about it because UNC is only about 40 miles from my house. Just a couple of weeks ago, I learned that a Chinese hemp company has located in my semi-rural county. I'm not happy about that. I keep thinking about that secret lab in California.

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liz's avatar

a small Michigan town TOOK OVER THEIR GOVT and kicked out the entire county council, changed the locks on the doors, over a similar issue.

Template for the future?

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Bgagnon's avatar

I vote for that future!

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Paige Green's avatar

We needed that! Our state is a WEF wet dream as Whitmer wants to be the first woman President.

Also...

The CCP business contract from Goshen included active recruitment and activities for the Chinese Communist Party.

Also also...

The state now controls when and where “renewable energy” will be put. No more local control.

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liz's avatar

GOOD FOR MICHIGAN going first and showing us how its done!

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Janet's avatar

Yeah. The DOD bought a vacant giant cell factory right outside our small countryside city. Supposed to be “A medical glove” factory. Suspicious. Lots of federal keep out signs and cameras now. 🤔🤔🤔.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

It's a BIOWEAPON LAB!! Count on it, Janet!

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Kathy Sullivan's avatar

I live in North Raleigh....horrible the Chinese own most of our hog farms! They can dump the unused jabs right into the pigs and I am sure they do!

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Peace's avatar

See if you can arrange a field trip to tour the Chinese hemp company?

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Politico Phil's avatar

Nor do I understand! Dr. Martin's evidence has been available since 2020. The evidence of millions of dead and maimed are laying all around us. Yet I have not seen any action by any AG or Gov to use this evidence to attack BigPharma and those who are pushing the death shot. This is inexcusable and unforgivable. I am beyond pissed off. Why have not our elected officials (never mind an upcoming election) declared a state of emergency, declared the death shot a bio-weapon and put together a laboratory to perform a forensic analysis of the contents of the death shot to use in prosecution?????????? It is obvious to me that everyone in office now (and I'm in FL) has no interest in protecting the American people from this attack on their lives and families and are just playing theatrical political games with American lives.

Tell me I'm wrong. I would love to hear someone explain to me why this is incorrect.

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Kathy Boston's avatar

I think it was the department of defense who was behind all of this. And they used Pfizer and Moderna to make the shots. So our own government is not going to reveal that they caused the pandemic. That's why there's so much censoring and silence. No accountability. Only protection for those who caused it. Big money involved too, obviously.

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daverkb's avatar

I think you are right about the DoD and the conclusions which follow. And Big Money, the Apex Power must be involved because the Death Cult Agenda runs across the board, attacks through ever facet of our existence. My awareness of The Plot, if you will, keeps getting bigger and bigger. It was not just C19 and we can move on from here. The attacks are non-stop omnipresent.

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ILoveherbs's avatar

I learn somemething new every day, just reading Jeff's research & subsequent comments. A rich source of information that often takes me down a rabbit hole.

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Politico Phil's avatar

So many rabbit holes. I get dizzy.

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liz's avatar

Ive seen definitive links that prove you are correct about this post.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Exactly

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OnTheJump's avatar

It's inconceivable that no members of our government are aware of Dr. David Martin's insights - or those of other very knowledgeable people of science.

Inexcusable, unforgivable? ABSOLUTELY, Phil.

Let's not forget - intentional.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Dr. Martin has publicly said he has given such info to the likes of Rand Paul and Ron Johnson...

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OnTheJump's avatar

...exactly. A shame to think that men like them can't make good use of such information, isn't it ? Maybe, too much stacked against them ?

So, how to 'break through' ?

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Politico Phil's avatar

Revolution. As far as I can tell, the cabal and the DoD/CIA has the entire system under their control. All so-called opposition has been theater, ie, controlled opposition.

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ILoveherbs's avatar

Hadn't considered "controlled opposition." That explains some things.

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CStone's avatar

Is it possible they fear for their very lives?

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Politico Phil's avatar

When Dr. Martin first posted his evidence (which cannot be refuted), I sent his presentation to the Gov's and AGs of Fl, SD, TX and to the SG of FL. No response other than a canned thank you. That must have been 2 or 3 years ago. Dr. Martin himself sent his evidence to nearly everyone and Congress...No response.

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Barbls's avatar

The subsidies to hospital systems and university "life science" labs, and stock ownership by legislators and bureaucrats are some of the big reasons for this silence. Those subsidies come from our own government as well as foreign governments like Communist China. Also, the controligarchs who own the media want to reduce world population while keeping themselves safe from the holocaust they are perpetrating. https://www.amazon.com/Controligarchs-Exposing-Billionaire-Globalist-Dominate/dp/B0C1PXYM3Y

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ILoveherbs's avatar

Interesting that this book is available on Amazon & Bezos is one of the many characters in it.

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Barbls's avatar

Good point. But I don't think any of the oligarchs feel even a little bit threatened by exposure, since they believe they have all the cards. Therefore, what's a little truth to them? They've already propagandized the masses.

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Lorita's avatar

You know you are right, I know you are right! My belief is that it all will be revealed and put to rights. It will take humanity awhile to heal and I think it will have to be a God thing. We'll see.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Except for woke, self-deluded non-thinkers, everyone already "knows" what is happening. There is no ability to push back within the system because the people have no voice and no venue for redress. We might as well be living under the Soviet Union dictatorship.

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Mrs. Mantle's avatar

After Jeff’s post recently exhorting people to get involved locally, I’m in. It’s on. Whatever little I can do I will. It has to start somewhere.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

I don’t disagree. Texas AG Ken Paxton was knocking on that door. All but got him impeached, and they’re still hot on his trail. I hope he’s still hot on theirs.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Come on, PHil--even Rand Paul isn't pursuing filing any "grievance" that will hold water against the nefarious activities of our "intel, acronym agencies"--the legislators are all AFRAID of the intel groups and those that aren't AFRAID are more than likely aligned with them and getting "grift money" from the huge pharma potentates.

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Politico Phil's avatar

All are compromised. The love of money is the root of all evil. I think we would be shocked to actually see the extent to which everyone in our political system is compromised. When the DoD/CIA and the cabal designed their plandemic, they knew they had complete control of the American political system and all within it.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

EXACTLY - I had no idea how corrupt our governance was either - until this horrid CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY rolled out! NOW I KNOW--and there will never be "normal" again in our world.

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none none's avatar

If they would get rid of the lobbyists, it would help a lot!

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Surely, somebody’s getting eaten alive by conscience. Somebody has to fall on their sword. The circular firing squad will be breathtaking.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Reasonable - you do know about the "conscience being seared" when wrongdoing becomes a "usual thought pattern" - that is what we are dealing with now--across the board!!

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Yes, 1 Timothy 4:1-2 clearly fulfilled. Let’s pray there’s a remnant among the willfully unrepentant manipulators and hypocritical liars in positions of power. More than likely, some were post-Jan 6 Capitol Police “suicides.”

Where is that passage about God turning the unrepentant over to their sin, like His permissive will allowing addictions? Does that sound familiar?

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daverkb's avatar

As I carried the trash out to our pick-up dumpster, I noticed how in a rage I was over all of this stuff. And I thought nobody but nobody should have to live this way ... under continual assault from every direction. We are literally caged animals and our cages are ever present, a movable feast of Evil which cunningly shadows our ever step. Most people here, as is my guess, are also fed up to the gills by what has been and continues to be to us, by what continues to be done to us. What particularly triggered me today was that Maher/Stone clip. And I was not so sure as to what was really going on there. But in my book ... you are totally correct.

The low two percent uptake on the newest Death Cult jab is a hopeful sign. The real histories on the all of this will be someday written. My fear here is that three quarters of the human population will be killed off by the time the eyes are wide open.

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Politico Phil's avatar

My fearful dread as well.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

He sure is flying under the radar.

I wonder who is protecting him.

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OnTheJump's avatar

The question of the pandemic, methinks !

How the HECK has he NOT been called before a committee and questioned ?

Even if innocent ( FAT chance! ), he certainly has plenty of insight.

PROTECTED .... beyond a doubt, Kathleen !

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Kathy Boston's avatar

I did not know that. Thank you for attaching the link and letting me know. My friends husband went into the hospital with Covid and they put him on Remdesivir. He had one kidney. He died.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

The deaths were horrible...and I am afraid, they were intentional.

Remdesivir was used in an Ebola trial and it had a 53% death rate, so it was discontinued.

Baric's lab worked with the Bat Lady in Wuhan to weaponize the coronavirus to make it more transmissible and deadly. Then his lab develops a drug that will shut the kidneys down.

Mad scientist.

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OnTheJump's avatar

He's a DOD/DARPA guy, no doubt.

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Lisa's avatar

Knowing about the Ebola trial, how did it get approved for Covid?

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OnTheJump's avatar

Why does that not surprise me in the least??

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Michael Miller's avatar

Yes. I thought I remembered that the work on the Virus actually originated here and then was shipped to Wuhan?

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Politico Phil's avatar

One of the pieces of evidence from Dr. Martin. Their admission of guilt is in the public domain. But everyone pretends they don't see it.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Wuhan, 2015. There it is in black bats and blinding white lies. And we still pretend we have a Department of Defense. SMH.

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Kathy Boston's avatar

Yes, they were doing the work at UNC and Obama put a moratorium in place requesting they stop because the research was dangerous. Instead of stopping they offshored it to Wuhan. Baric taught the scientist there how to make it dangerous to human lung tissue.

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Kathy McCullough's avatar

And Chyna?

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Don't forget Yoshihiro Kawaoka at the university of Wisconsin - Madison. He has created a copy of the 1918 flu and also another virus similar to ebola that could take out vast amounts of the population. If you look up the article about him on popular science.....just another day at the office

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Bandit's avatar

Yes, the 1918 flu will take out vast amounts of the population if you OVERDOSE with aspirin to take the fever down.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

You are right in that one should let a fever do it's job. The other virus he has is the one that is most deadly. The article is interesting if you want to read it. I find it odd that they tell us where it is at.

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Bandit's avatar

I just read a substack article about the 1918 flu yesterday, or on Thanksgiving. Aspirin was THE new drug, but there was no dosage guidance on it yet. The doctors here went nuts (shocking, I know) and were giving the patients dosages in the gram amounts, instead of in milligrams. The patients died. They blamed it on the flu.

Sound familiar?

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

😱 not shocked

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Bandit's avatar

Didn't think you would be. It seems to always be the SOP.

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Politico Phil's avatar

The Satanic theology of cosmic retribution. Satan's version of justification.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Precisely. DARPA developed the original virus and offshored production beyond the reach of the US Congress ... then Fauci/Collins/Daszak monetized it.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I think you have nailed it. This goes back further than Fauci/Daszak.

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Scott Kinghorn's avatar

YES. Dr. Martin made this known in 2020 and yet nothing is being done. In fact GOF is still being funded by the US. Flipping crazy.

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WP William's avatar

the FIX is in; it's inexplicable but appears as if any peon representative of the people or AG who stirs the pot will get Joe McCarthy'd or worse. Communists in Gvt and America, what Kook could believe that alcoholic self-promoting nut job? That John Birch Society were a bunch of right-wing religious zealots who fabricated conspiracy theories and ham-strung the Republican Party til Reagan/Bush pushed the Goldwater wing to the side 1980-til that Populist braggart Trump mobilized them in 2015-16 (Tea Party excepted). Oh if ONLY McCain, Romney, Jeb Bush, and Colin Powell could have stopped MAGA in its tracks, the right kind of Republicans would still matter the most.

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Politico Phil's avatar

That's my kind of sarcasm.

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

We knew about Dr. Martin and UNC’a involvement by April of 2020. It was widely talked about in forums but never picked up by the media or our government. This is a coverup that was never really covered up. These evil people brazenly break laws in out in the open and face zero consequences. They all have blood on their hands and are complicit.

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daverkb's avatar

I suppose that today's showcasing of the Stone/Maher discussion affords some insight into the state of things. For instance, Maher must ber either invincibly dumb or else a very good actor. However that may be, it would appear that a great many 'influencers' and/or public figures are as genuinely clueless as Maher appears to be as to what is really going on. And I suspect that many or most of the 'public promoters' of this or that agenda are barely more knowledgeable that are the audiences to which they speak. In other words, most of the various 'leaders' are merely following scripts. And thinking is a lost art in the Western World.

My fear is that that the dystopian democide/transhumanist agenda is far more advanced and invasive, far more an existential a threat to all of us than is generally acknowledged.

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liz's avatar

let's not forget that most if not ALL of Hollywood at the top is, like major media figures and political, all EPSTEINED. i e sexual blackmail, mostly w kids- so they "know nothing"..

Possibly - and I I have heard- Stone too. So who was Epstein working for? c i a and m o $$ a d/Israel. All a Dog and Pony show for us, the Rubes.

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daverkb's avatar

You make sense to me. It is all interconnected.

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Politico Phil's avatar

A rabbit hole I have been loath to explore yet it is too obvious - to a thinking person - to ignore.

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randall stoehr's avatar

It will be included as major evidence most assuredly. Not hearsay nor conjecture.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Evidence that the system will not "hear".

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Kathy Boston's avatar

Thank you for this info. They were trying to build another one outside of Boston near me. A group of us fought them on it. They wanted to build a level three or four, and do cruel experiments on animals, including dogs, cats, and primates.

We got them down to a level one or two, and they will be doing cruel Animal experiments on small animals, which may include rabbits and ferrets. It will be in a high residential area. There's a few labs being built under the term "life science" in my area. Some are owned by China.

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Judith's avatar

I'm guessing this is the one in Watertown?

I drove by it quite a bit last year. This big shiny glass building. Kept wondering what it was.

Then i saw the big Life Science banner.

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Peace's avatar

Is there a complete list, or a growing list, of these labs available to the public? If not, this might be a good project for someone to compile and allow the public to add to as they find out about these labs. Hopefully, to put some constraints on them.

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Politico Phil's avatar

And it just keeps getting worse.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Obviously, they are not concerned about our complaints.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Precisely. Politicians will not touch it - not even Ron Johnson. Why is that?

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Kathy Boston's avatar

Also, rand Paul had the evidence he needed to throw the book at Fauci, but he didn't use it. Dr. David Martin had sent him the solid evidence that Fauci was funding the gain of function research. Why did he hold back? Was it all theater?

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Porge's avatar

IMO, Rand Paul is all theater. Mostly bark and never bites!

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Politico Phil's avatar

In a word - Yes.

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Paige Green's avatar

Martin has the receipts 👍

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Dr Linda's avatar

I talk about every chance I get

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Interesting comments in a post by Dr. Robert Malone "171,000 Were Killed by COVID in the US, Not 1 Million"

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1728045503240098301

* Almost all people who died with a positive test (!!!) had serious underlying health issues.

* How many of those deaths were caused by the ventilators and bacterial pneumonia caused from contamination?

* Hospitals got more money for covid deaths; if you subsidize something, you get more of it

* I don’t even believe 171,000. Out of those 171k how many went to the hospital weren’t allowed to see their family, then Sedated with drugs, & thrown on a ventilator?

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FourWinds's avatar

I seem to remember stories of a roofer who sadly fell to his death, died on the way to the hospital, and declared a "covid" death. Or how about the motorcyclist killed on the road who died of "covid"? How about my coworker, killed on a vent and run-death-is-near but died from "covid"? If I can point out 3 examples, likely there are thousands of others. It's all smoke and mirrors and always was. Oh, and I still want someone to explain why no one died of the flu in 2021 and cancer deaths were way down? Could those deaths have been repurposed as

"covid" deaths? Of course!

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

& after, one young man fell out of the tree stand after his jab. Family still in denial. They’re raising awareness about hunters teathered to the stand. Nothing about danger of the jab.

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WP William's avatar

we had murder-suicide with covid that State of CoVidRado said was death from virus; the county coroner pulled down the Gov.'s pants over it and got them to reclassify. Mis-Dis-, and Mal-Classification of deaths, of facts, of truth; not being able to believe ANYTHING is a globalist-occultic goal as much as controlling narratives and science and data (and the associated $$$ that goes along with them). BIG LIEs indeed! But trust and believe them on Freedom/Capitalist-Influenced Turbo-Climate Change and Election "security" and saving Democracy.

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liz's avatar

good point. the absolute destruction of trust in the truth outside ourselves though is actually an opportunity to DO our Shadow Work and Go Within for answers, and STOP LOOKING TO OUTER AUTHORITY. always go with your gut.

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Peace's avatar

Very early on, Birx (I believe it was Birx) announced publicly that Covid deaths would be including any person who tested positive - died WITH Covid was counted same as died FROM Covid.

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Carrie's avatar

or given Remdesirvir which later killed them.

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Joanne Shannon's avatar

AKA: Rundeathisnear

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Carrie's avatar

Yes, my neighbor was given Remdesirvir and while he recovered from covid, he has since passed :(

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RunningLogic's avatar

😞

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Kathy Boston's avatar

And how many died from the Remdesivir?

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Barbara ( Portlander😵‍💫)'s avatar

My daughter in law for one

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FourWinds's avatar

I'm so sorry. I had a coworker taken out by a vent and that junk.

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Barbara ( Portlander😵‍💫)'s avatar

It’s still beyond belief

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RunningLogic's avatar

So very sorry 😞

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Canny Granny's avatar

Five men that I either knew personally or know his family member or close friend died in a hospital on a vent with remdesivere (sp) in the summer or fall of 2021.

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GG's avatar

I’m so sorry for your loss.

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

my cousin for another. death from remdesivir and fauci

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Janet's avatar

My sis in law ended up with the kill protocols once she got to the hospital. She did survive.

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AJ#2's avatar

Hope she is making sure the names of the doctors and nurses who "cared" for her are known in the community and that she has shared her story here.

https://chbmp.org/

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Janet's avatar

She thinks since she survived no reason to dwell on it. She has a lot of trust in doctors yet although knows the government is lying.

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AJ#2's avatar

Well I guess keep the info in your back pocket for when she figures it out.

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Janet's avatar

Most stubborn woman I know. Probably what kept her alive. I’ll take note of the website though. Thanks.

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AJ#2's avatar

When she does figure it out that stubborness will make her a force to be reckoned with.

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liz's avatar

omg

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The Fifster's avatar

You forgot Remdisavir the only NIH approved drug during the COVID19 plandemic.

Remdisavir causes renal failure but its listed as a drug to stop renal failure - 1984

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

1984!? Nothing at all Twilight Zone about that.

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

they stopped it for eboli, because it was killing people, not curing them. but follow their science. not reality.

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Tom's avatar

Also subtract from the 171k all those denied early intervention with effective off-label drugs.

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liz's avatar

Ive heard 15 M and more. like to get an authoritative figure.

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Maher is a bellwether—he’s usually out on the edge of permissible speech, so if he feels more comfortable broaching previously untouchable topics, it’s likely normies will follow.

Elizabeth Nickson posted an uplifting Apocaloptimistic roundup this morning that further signifies the tectonic cultural shift occurring worldwide:

https://elizabethnickson.substack.com/p/can-you-feel-the-earth-shaking

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randall stoehr's avatar

Bill is attempting to locate "THE CENTER". Safer and less stress of being called Turncoat.

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Maureen ODH's avatar

Thank you for posting, actually I’ll admit, thank you for introducing me this morning to Elizabeth Nickson’s earth shaking exposé... what a list of hopeful citizens matter global momentum... 🎯🎯🎯👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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Lisa's avatar

Every clip I see of Maher, I all think, is that his head seems disproportionate to the rest of his body.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

I was surprised to see how small he looks. He must raise his desk chair up on his tv show! The throne of importance 🤣

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GG's avatar

A lot of people in entertainment have big heads and small bodies. The Artist Formerly Known As Prince (how freaking pretentious to have to type that out) and Pat Sajack immediately come to mind, but I know there are more. I think it has something to do with how they appear on camera?

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Fla Mom's avatar

MAA, thanks so much for sharing that Nickson Substack; it's awesome! I had to stop reading it to come and thank you, it's that good. I'm not sure which 'happiness hormones' I'm making more of at the moment, but I'm makin' 'em!

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Melissa S's avatar

Thank you for posting that wonderful list of good news!

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Peace's avatar

Now, that was quite the rabbit hole - thank you!

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Bgagnon's avatar

MAA, thank you for the link. Just read both pieces and plan to check out her substack next!!

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Glad you appreciated it. Check out this breaking news for another shot of glee:

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/the-incoming-new-zealand-government

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RU's avatar

I think we are either at or very near the tipping point. A recent survey showed 75% of Americans no longer fear getting sick from covid. Another survey showed 25% of the country - spanning political parties - say they know someone who was injured by the covid "vaccines." People like Bill Maher are coming around and openly allowing discussion of topics that were a no-fly zone just 18 mths ago.

I also noticed a couple recent things watching football. Last week, during the game, they called Hamlin's incident a "cardiac arrest" and didn't mention any caveats or BS causes. During (I think) the Oregon St. / Wash game last weekend, the TV crew aired a memorial tribute to one of their staffers, who was 38 years old. In announcing his death they basically said he died suddenly, unexpectedly, at home, at night and provided no caveats or weasel words about "long battles" or such. They showed his picture, talked about his work, and basically said he died from SADS. There were a couple other recent football-related deaths that online articles didn't bother to cover up with weasel words. E.g., a former Colts player who was in his 40s, a fitness co. owner, and record holder. Just: "he died suddenly." They're not yet actively calling out the "vaccines," but they are no longer providing ridiculous alternative explanations.

These might seem like small, independent instances, but IMO, these handful of things show the culture is turning. Football is our national pastime (sorry, baseball, you've been out for decades).

When prime time football game announcers on a major network are no longer hiding the truth, it opens the door for regular people to start speaking it. If we agree "politics is downstream of culture" then it means we've only just begun to see the political shift. We likely have years to go. Given the extent of this crime against humanity and the fact we're still seeing young people suddenly die from it, the magnitude of the shift might surprise even a cynical skeptic like myself.

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FourWinds's avatar

Agreed. Small steps. So many simply do what they see/hear others do and don't think for themselves. If they hear national broadcasters not make b.s. excuses for SADS, they are less likely to, either. It's sad that it works that way, but I am glad to see progress.

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

Thank you for sharing this. The fact they aren’t covering up Damar’s real injury anymore and the other SADS makes me hopeful. To conquer evil you have to name it and call it for what it is. This is the first step.

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Melissa S's avatar

I appreciate what you are saying about “networks no longer hiding the truth… opens the door for regular people to start speaking it.” But I wonder if that is really what is happening. What I think is happening is the normalization of “died suddenly” at all ages. When did the term SADS even get coined? There was SIDS, about infants dying suddenly (usually after getting routine childhood jabs - but no one was allowed to mention that. The jabs were off the table, so the deaths were just “unexplained”. ) And now we have on a daily basis, even young people dying without causes. During sleep, during driving, during games, during jogs down the street. It’s all “normal” now. Don’t ask questions. It’s private. Respect the dead and their families. The reality is, we are still not allowed to question what we have been told.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Bingo

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liz's avatar

first it happens "under the covers", then people start getting braver. Baby steps. remember this is the government and media colluding to get you killed, along with Big Pharma. this is a monumental revelation/revolution. for a population in MASSIVE DENIAL baby steps are perhaps necessary.

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The Fifster's avatar

What does getting sick from COVID really mean? C'mon as determined by what a fake PCR test ramped up to ludicrous CYCLE THRESHOLD LEVELS - Seriously

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

If Hamlin would sue the league out of its Chinese Nikes, maybe woke sports will start going back to sleep.

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SB's avatar

And yet I still saw too many dang masks today!

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Christy's avatar

Hope every one had a wonderful thanksgiving and have lots to be thankful for!!!!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I am thankful I never took the covid death shot.

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Christy's avatar

Me too!!!!!

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WP William's avatar

the BioWeapon19 was plenty enough to go through multiple times; no thanks Dr. Mengele i'll pass on your typhoid Vaxx and hang on til the Citizen Safety Camp is liberated by the Allies. (Problem; we have NO Allied Army opposing the Nazis running the country).

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Bgagnon's avatar

We have ourselves which is much better and keeps improving everytime another one of us wakes up!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

It was the most effective military and governmental psychological operation ever deployed on the world.

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GERALD WILLIAMS's avatar

Both Mayer and Stone appear to be "stoned".

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Freebird's avatar

Sorry to be so cliche, but in regards to Maher, “even a broken clock is right twice a day”. But I do appreciate Jeff reporting on the glimmers of sanity which peek through on the left occasionally.

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The Fifster's avatar

Yeah right Maher had never heard of Victoria Nyland - gmafb

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Porge's avatar

Oh,....I don't know about that Fifster, he's a lib after all and that makes him.....STOOPID!

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The Fifster's avatar

He knows but doesnt want to know

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Kathy McCullough's avatar

lol I thought so too... my original thought was “too/two old duffers... who cares”

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

Recreational in California I think

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Maybe that wasn't a cheroot they were sharing.

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CeeMcG's avatar

Maher usually smokes pot on his podcast, so that wouldn’t surprise me.

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LW's avatar

Agree they are at least intending to appear smoking a joint. What’s up with that? Stupid.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Oliver stone is a pro Russian moron.

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daverkb's avatar

B2Ns ... I am still working on becoming a Putin Puppet and I am learning more Russian every day. And I find the Putin strings reach back to more truth telling than any dribble and drool put out in the Propagandizing Puppeteering Collective West.

And by the way, I thought you pro-Marxist Globalist Forever War Types hated hate speech. But there you go again. Hate Russia and hate everything Russian. And never blame the real Merchants of Death.

Ah! You Trollls are a piece of work.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Then go ahead and get the Putin covid shot which he approves of and has gotten.

Put your actions into words.

Putin is the merchant of death here. He started the war because he was told by his yes-men that the Ukrainians would roll over and accept genocide and oppression.

Turns out your dude can't even win a rigged war he claimed victory on during day 2.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

How's the Russian army doing in the latest offensive?

Not so well, I just saw another couple companies get wiped out by western supplied artillery.

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liz's avatar

he's the most brave on the topic of JFk which still matters a lot to many of us

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

RFK can be right on the covid shot and wrong on others. His son, for example, is fighting in Ukraine to stop a genocide and save the Ukrainian people.

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liz's avatar

Actually hes fighting for actual naxis in an actual naxi regime imposed by the cia in 2004, 2008, something like that.

Good to investigate the slaughter of Russian people by these actual Nazis. Donbass state in particular. Russiavis practicing self defense.

See jimmy dore, max Blumenthal, aaron mate and many many others.

If we continue to allow mainstream media to brainwash us about rich mens wars we will continue to commit atrocities and the world rughtfully, will continue to see us as a nation of entitled bullies.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Russia has the worlds largest Neo Nazi army right now and its putins personal army.

There was no “slaughter” of people in Donbas. None.

The biggest “slaughter” happened when Russia shot down mh17 and we can look at Russias bombing of the Mariupol theatre which killed hundreds.

There is no self defense when Russia is invading Ukraine to conquer and genocide the people there.

Remember, Russia declared victory already..that’s why they are still fighting

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liz's avatar

100% lies. the slaughter in Donbass is notorious. turn off your mainstream media. Russia came in for SELF DEFENSE of the Russian people there. everyone knows this, who has paid any attention. look at Aaron Mate, Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy DOre, so many others.

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Special Ted's avatar

You are slipping, my friend. It’s easier to trigger ‘WillingSpirit’ about Israel than to summon you with Russian comments.

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liz's avatar

anyone who believes Russiagate would fit that description ;)

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

The lie used to attack trump?

I saw right through that.

Trump put an armored division on Russia's door step. He's not some Russian asset.

It's possible to believe Russia is to blame for invading Ukraine but at the same time not that Trump colluded with Russia..Biden and the democrats did and even Hunter took bribes from the mayor of moscow.

Facts are hard, I know.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

The Poles are stubborn...they will win this fight.

50% of my heritage is "I gonna dig my heels in and not gonna give up."

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Viva Polska. 😊

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Hannahlehigh's avatar

Maybe one day Maher will come over to our side, fully, but then again pigs aren't flying, yet. I truly want to see Fauci hang from a tree in the town square after he's injected with 5 covid jabs, Remdesivir and filled up with water until he's ready to explode, then drop the rope.

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Kitkat's avatar

Don’t forget to remove his vocal chords too. Like he did to the beagles before he tortured them. 😡

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Hannahlehigh's avatar

Oh yes, I forgot about that, vocal cords will be removed.

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Peace's avatar

Interesting vocal cords connection since he had to have the surgery to correct his issues (during Covid).

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Stariel291's avatar

And yet he, and all the rest of them, are living cushy lives collecting payment for services rendered. So far they’re untouchable. It’s maddening.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

I can’t help think of Dr Mengele who freely lived in Argentina and Paraguay until he died of an accidental swimming death.

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Freebird's avatar

But there IS an afterlife, and Justice will come sooner or later, if not in this life, then in the next.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

I believe that wholeheartedly.

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

Probably was t accidental!

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Hannahlehigh's avatar

God will take care of them in their next life.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

& huge speaking fees

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LuAnne's avatar

No, Maher won't ever come to our side. He's too much of a west coast elitist. Remember his rant during Trump’s presidency about how he wished the stock market would crash (when the stock market was doing great) and made horribly disparaging comments about people living in the fly over states? He hates middle America.

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Hannahlehigh's avatar

Yes, Ive heard him say some vile things and some stupid things, so you're probably right, pigs will have to fly for him to climb down off his elitist perch.

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Maureen ODH's avatar

“..... I truly want to see Fauci hang from a tree in the town square after he's injected with 5 covid jabs, Remdesivir and filled up with water until he's ready to explode, then drop the rope.” .... wow... better than an all time best animated Saturday morning Wiley Coyote cartoon... FrankenFauci as a jab dartboard at the end of a noose televised in town square... I know where I’d aim....

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randall stoehr's avatar

Not too full....he may stretch the rope and bounce back.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

I don't trust anything published about any "new disease". Perhaps they know that if they announce it is a contagious virus the reaction will be swift and severe thereby dampening their planned spread of the virus and resulting government largesse from purchases of mandated, over-priced, unsafe, and ineffective vaccines. That would really anger Bill Gates who might be denied his next $250MM investment gain windfall, not to mention a setback in the depopulation plan. That would be a huge tragedy!

I know, pretty conspiratorial. But for anything dealing with "world health", my default position is now "assume the worst possible motivations until proven otherwise".

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Locke's Conscience's avatar

It's not conspiratorial at all. This is EXACTLY how November 2019 played out. WHO saying it's nothing to worry about and lulling everyone into security and then flipping the script...

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Same thing I was thinking.

Lull people into a false sense of security, then BOOM.

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Lisa's avatar

They mentioned it is bacterial. What meds will be witheld this time?

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

There is already a shortage of some antibiotics.

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LW's avatar

Yes -- saying it’s a conspiracy. True. Not a theory.

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FourWinds's avatar

Doesn't sound the least bit like a conspiracy at all. 10 years ago, I'd say probably, but after the insane, calculated plan that was falsely declared a "pandemic", I'd say you are right on to suspect anything. I sure do.

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SarahP's avatar

Such as canceled elections? 😬

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Nancy Fahey's avatar

Did anyone else hear Guilane Maxwell is going to out Bill Gates, while in prison? Soon....

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Bgagnon's avatar

I hope so. B Gates is #1 on my Despicable list. Death is too good for him.

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CaplT's avatar

Death would

Only be the beginning of his punishment if he doesn’t change his ways

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liz's avatar

I did hear pedophilia was why Melinda left him.

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FedUpInOR's avatar

Then why didn’t she speak out? No, she’s on the same level as him, just publicly trying to distance herself to support donations to their foundation

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liz's avatar

from your mouth to the Goddess' ears!

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Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

My problem with Maher is as expressed in the interview....he can believe the government got it wrong about Covid, but got it right about the election. He saw Covid as "whole goverment thing" in that they got it wrong...but Trump as an example of where everyone got it right? Because he didn't like the Covid restrictions and the government acted badly...it must be the government's fault. But in the case of Trump where Trump challenged the elections, the answer was that the government acted lucidly in this case. Again, I ask...and will often ask the same question to myself...when does the Government actually act in the people's best interest?

Also Oliver Stone said that he thought the electoral college should be gotten rid of...Sol great you would like there to be the rule of the mob unchecked. Because the masses of people all got it right during Covid. The reason for the electoral college is to make sure there is a check to the mob mentality in case the MSM and government become captured institutions to mitigate and hopefully protect against total democratic despotism.

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Jeff C's avatar

Happy to see the Israelis released but was a little disappointed Jeff Childers referred to the Israelis as "hostages" and the Palestinians as "terrorists". We got a nice photo montage of the Israelis but nothing of the Palestinians.

Saw a headline the other day that referred to the Israelis as "hostages" and "women and children" and the Palestinians as "prisoners" and "those under age 18".

Maybe it's all true and the Israelis are walking saints and the Palestinians are evil personified. I doubt it, seems to me both sides act atrociously. But the media framing always portrays things that way, and plenty of people (probably without even thinking about it) follow their lead.

While their is plenty to criticize regarding Palestinian behavior, the fact is that Israel has treated them like garbage for seventy years with no end in sight. Yet they get a free pass because congress is controlled by AIPAC and far too many Christians think Bible interpretation started a hundred years ago with Schofield. Jesus' commands regarding being kind to others apparently go out the window when it comes to the modern Israeli state, based on a few ambiguous passages.

Most here are awake that we have been lied to consistently by the government and media, yet so many still have a complete blind spot when it comes to this topic.

Edit: And BTW, just so we are all clear on Israel's end game; turn the Palestinians into refugees and then demand Europe and America take them. They are openly admitting it and pushing for it. I hope all the reflexive Israel defenders are prepared to welcome them into their neighborhoods.

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

They were kidnapped and held for ransom. They were definitely hostages. Israel has not treated the Palestinians like garbage. You are influenced by a liberal narrative.

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Jeff C's avatar

No Tonya, I actually read about this rather than just regurgitating what I've been told. I'm sure you do also on virtually every topic, why not this one?

History did not start on October 7th, the IDF has a long history or torturing and killing Palestinians, including those who were no threat whatsoever. Israel routinely jails Palestinians with zero due process, how is that different from taking hostages? Perhaps its by a legal technicality but it isn't morally. They are being held against their will without evidence or conviction.

Remember all the hysteria after Oct 7th about the beheading of 40 babies, and babies being cooked in ovens? Proven totally false, Israeli propaganda. Did you know there is now strong evidence of at least a third of the Israelis killed on Oct 7th were killed by the IDF? The best case scenario was that they were trigger happy and panicked. More likely is they slaughtered mass groups of people (Hamas and Israelis) so they wouldn't become hostages. This is a known IDF tactic known as the Hannibal doctrine.

Even assuming Hamas did kill 1400 Israelis (it's actually probably half that and good proportion were military), Israel has now killed 12,000+ Palestinians. Nearly half were under 18. Probably only a few percent were actually Hamas. In what moral universe is that justified or acceptable? Please show the the Bible passages that support this (and explain why Christ's teaching regarding kindness to others doesn't apply).

I know you are a smart person based on your comments here, and I know you don't accept the media narrative without question. All I'm asking is that you open your mind on this topic. Martyrmade's twitter is a great place to start.

We are being manipulated on this just like everything else. What's really sad is that Christians are being manipulated to give unconditional support to evil deeds (the IDF's actions) through guilt and weaponized empathy. That doesn't mean that the Palestinians are right but that things are not clear cut as the media portrays.

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Sam's avatar

Lots of recent reports are showing that Israel’s military killed lots of the hostages because of its Hannibal doctrine. Israel’s helicopters bombed both Hamas and civilians at the rave. And Israeli tanks bombed the houses where they were keeping the hostages. Israel has been lying since the event.

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

Bottom line, Hamas was at the concert. They had no business being there. That’s a war crime.

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Sam's avatar

So you’re saying that it was okay that Israel’s military slaughtered its own citizens? Wow. I wonder what has happened to your humanity.

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

I definitely didn’t say that...I said targeting civilians is a war crime.

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liz's avatar

more like 16,000 current figures of Pal dead. 7,000 children dead, at least.

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WP William's avatar

So these may be 2 issues (Arab-Palestinian intimidation and incarceration), and the Hamas militia assault/seizure on civilians; unless you're arguing the Hamas-(with Iranian-Chinese intelligence backing) involved attack and hostage grab was also simply an elaborate Israeli plot to stoke the people into turning Gaza into rubble (with quite an initial delay) and knowing that the North (Lebanon/Syria) couldn't be escalated effectively. Nothing is beyond the Globalist Neo-Occult Death Spewers of course.

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

I didn’t know about the baby story being untrue. I’ll look into it for sure. But I do know that two of my son’s friend’s family, both in their mid 20’s were killed at the concert. Their names were Yuval and Moishe. You can look them up…Yuval was so beautiful. They were engaged and just beginning their lives. If Hamas wanted to go in and destroy infrastructure like the grid or bridges when no one is on them, those are acts of legitimate war. Attacking a concert is a war crime as is attacking neighborhoods. I don’t condone killing on either side and both sides have clearly done bad things. An example, I don’t approve of Israel killing nuclear scientists in Iran either. But I do approve of them destroying nuclear labs. Israel has always had people in Palestine. So they legitimately belong there as do the Palestinians. It’s a tough one but fighting fare is the only way that gets my sympathy.

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daverkb's avatar

Let's talk about hostages. Gaza has been called the biggest open air concentration camp in the world. Everyone in Gaza is held hostage to Israel's one Jewish state policy. And Americans are held hostage to both Israel and the Israel Lobby which trumps everything American ... like having a border for instance. Meanwhile America falls apart, unravels ... but Israel ALWAYS comes first. How about an American end the Forever War and Forever Transfer of Wealth policy?

Why do I feel like I am always being asked to choose a side in some giant virtue signaling contest? Why am I always asked NOT to look at the real needs and vital concerns which should come with being an American?

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liz's avatar

not true. they have imprisoned children for decades without trial. this is wrong information. TORTURE is also employed against Palestinians.

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Harold Saive's avatar

I avoid the liberal narrative and dig my own facts from trusted sources like General Flynn who claimed the IDF was ordered to stand-down in order to give the alleged HAMAS team adequate time to to get through the fences. Flynn has been to GAZA many times and understands how the security system works. In another instance The IDF was caught faking photos of weapons claiming it was proof of a HAMAS Command post beneath the hospital.

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

Summering I’ve noticed in the comments section here at C&C...

Anti Israel sentiment is now not just socially acceptable, but common. The Bible says that in the last days, Israel will stand alone and every nation will attack them. At that time, God himself will be their defender.

I used to think Americans would never do it in my lifetime, but there’s been a sea change in just the last few years.

More Bible prophecy coming true.

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

I stand with Israel and I am a Christian. All these “facts” everyone sites are not facts, clearly unless there are eyewitnesses on the scene which none of these amazing commenters are (I love and appreciate all your points of view). They are all relying on “their”‘sources. Basically, we all have zero clue what went down October 7. We can’t trust the media, our government, video’s etc. What I do know is, two people my son’s friend’s loved ones, died at the concert. We also know, Hamas was at the concert. This is not being contested, so as far as I am concerned, two beautiful amazing young lives are gone because Hamas targeted a concert. Whatever happened after (Israel bombing the concert) which videos do not back up, shows Hamas chasing innocent civilians and shooting them point blank. Wake up people. This happened and it’s not ok. Yes, atrocities have happened from both sides but two innocent souls are gone who had nothing to do with this conflict. So again, I, a Methodist with zero Jewish blood on either side of my family say “I stand with Israel”.

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Harold Saive's avatar

I attempt to show the Orwelllian deception that attempts to equate Zionism to Judaism, where Zionism is a policy of Empire, warfare and terrorism and Judaism is a spiritual belief system of peace guided by the Torah... a religion completely antithetical to Zionism. Here is a short history of Zionism - https://groups.google.com/g/town-square-news/c/jdwvl8_ZlIc

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Harold Saive's avatar

I don't trust the hostage release stories. Like Sandy Hook - the photos appear to be mounted by the CIA. Like 9/11, the entire Palestinian disaster appears staged but not necessarily faked. Netenyahu is the one who chose HAMAS and admitted in a deposition that he uses them to create violence in order to deny statehood status recognized by the UN. The recent Pepe Escobar article resonates with the best of what I know - https://new.thecradle.co/articles/gaza-a-pause-before-the-storm

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liz's avatar

isreali hostages report coming under Friendly Fire from IDF and insist many of the dead are a result.

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Dr Jen | Syringa Wellness's avatar

I lean towards "Israel deserves to exist to protect its religion". I don't fully understand why 2 state solutions keep failing, nor do I understand why other Muslim countries haven't welcomed the Palestinians. I do understand that the articles I read are biased in some way, never providing just the facts.

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Harold Saive's avatar

Zionism is not Judaism. Protecting the Jewish religion would require abandoning Zionism. Here;s a short take on how I regard Israel is a terrorist State hiding behind that mask of Judaism - https://groups.google.com/g/town-square-news/c/jdwvl8_ZlIc

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Mark Geiger's avatar

Generally, under international law, 'refugees' of an area are supposed to be able to return when whatever crisis that created their status is over. However, Israel has historically refused any return of any Palestinian that has left. Those countries understand that if they take any, it is permanent. Period.

We, however, refuse to see. So, the very same people that Israel claims to be animals, to butcher women and children, to roast them alive in ovens, are then demanded to be sent to Europe and America.

Um, yeah, about that...

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Harold Saive's avatar

Americans need a reminder that in November, 2020, a UN panel voted 163-5 in support of Palestinian statehood and an end to occupation of GAZA and the West Bank. The draft called for two-state solution and was passed by the UN General Assembly’s Third Committee in a large package of annual pro-Palestinian resolutions but Biden and Netenyahu argued the resolution showed bias against Israel . -- Like organized crime of the 9/11 inside job, the US and Israel were 2 of the 5 members who voted against it.

China was on-board and Xi said he would broker the deal. -- I suspect this UN resolution was so threatening to US and Israel hegemony via the Petrodollar, they cooked up a false-flag disaster with HAMAS leadership to wipe GAZA off the map in order to spite the UN resolution and China.

Netenyahu is on record claiming he has control over HAMAS because he was able to corrupt leadership to do his bidding. --- See the links to these sources and much more here: https://groups.google.com/g/town-square-news/c/jdwvl8_ZlIc

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Chuck Martel's avatar

Israel left Gaza in 2005... there is NO occupation of Gaza. The West Bank is one of the spoils of war; it was captured from Jordan when Jordan attacked Israel in the Six-Day War in 1967. The Palestinians have been offered a state numerous times but have always rejected the offers. If you think they actually want a two state solution, you are either very naive or you’re part of their propaganda effort. They only want a Jew-free one-state solution from the river to the sea. Most of the Palestinians fled Israel at the urging of the Arab states who were attacking Israel during its War of Independence. They deserve zero compensation. A similar number of Jews were expelled from Arab states after Israel declared statehood and their property and wealth was expropriated by those states. Israel absorbed and resettled all of the Jewish refugees. The true “Palestinian State” of Jordan should have absorbed and resettled the Palestinian refugees. As King Hussein asserted in 1981, "Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan."

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Harold Saive's avatar

Take a look at my substack - https://newsparadigm.substack.com/

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Harold Saive's avatar

The UN disagrees - "Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, tantamount to ‘settler-colonialism’: UN expert" - https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/10/1129942

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Harold Saive's avatar

On November 11, 1948 the UN Told Israelis (Zionists - Not real Jews) to Give The Land and Homes Back and Compensate Palestinians! Israel Refused (Resolution #194 12/11/1948!)

https://countercurrents.org/2023/11/un-told-israelis-give-the-land-homes-back-and-compensate-palestinians-resolution-194-12-11-1948/

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liz's avatar

yeah, the MAIN REASON US IS DISLIKED INTERNATIONALLY and affects the security of EVERY AMERICAN WHO TRAVELS OR LIVES INTERNATIONALLY>

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uselesseater's avatar

Almost all governments in the middle east are clients of the US. They walk a tightrope between what the USA wants and what their populations want.

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GG's avatar

I know one of the Palestinians released had walked up to a mother who was minding her child and stabbed her in the neck.

The Israeli hostages who were released yesterday were at their homes, innocently going about their lives when they were attacked by terrorists, their family members beaten, raped, tortured and killed and they were kidnapped and taken below ground by people who hate them.

Maybe Jeff was right to describe one side at terrorists and the other side as hostages. That’s what they were.

One thing I’ve noticed about this conflict is that, since the media lies about everything and Covid has exposed just how corrupt our Israel loving government is, people’s thinking has become terribly muddied. Don’t make it complicated. Terrorists took an opportunity to do heinous things to approximately 1400 people who had individually done nothing to provoke such a barbaric attack. Even if you buy into the narrative that Israelis have been abusing Palestinians for 75 years, does that justify baking living babies in ovens, cutting off children’s body parts in front of their parents, raping women and shooting them in the head before finishing? These are evil acts perpetrated by evil people.

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Jeff C's avatar

First off as I mention above, the 1400 number is almost certainly overstated, probably closer to 1100. Next, a good proportion of those (up to a third) were Israeli military or police. Next off is that probably hundreds of those were killed by the IDF in their hair-trigger response, not by Hamas.

The beheading babies and babies cooked in ovens was a blatant lie put forward and pushed by Israel propagandists (e.g. Ben Shapiro, John Podhoretz) that even Israel has now admitted wasn't true. There is little evidence of systematic rapes, I'm not saying they're were none but they weren't as initially described by Israel. Yet you eat up every word of it without any critical thought. Why? I'll take a guess, 1) you have Jewish ethnicity or 2) you belong to a Christian Zionist church. So since it aligns with your existing biases you accept it without question.

None of this justifies what Hamas did of course, and they deserve brutal payback. They are monsters. But how is killing 12,000 Palestinians by the IDF since Oct 7th in any way justified? Please explain that. It doesn't and Israel knows it. That's why they pumped out all the "beheaded babies" stuff (that you believed without any evidence) to enrage the world so they had free reign to go on a killing spree. And they are, just like they always have in the past.

I believed it too for the longest time, and accepted "Israel good, Arabs bad" without any critical thought. But the last four years taught me to look into things a little more deeply, and surprise, surprise, we've been lied to left and right. What's really infuriating is that Christian's empathy has been weaponized against them to support mass killing. We will all have to answer to Jesus one day for supporting the mass killing of civilians.

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GG's avatar

I am neither Jewish nor do I belong to a Christian Zionist church. Even if I did, so what? Regardless of my affiliation, I can see with my own two eyes that one group of people worships death and destruction, and the other does not. Israel doesn’t go into Palestine and kill Palestinians; Jews aren’t allowed in Palestine. Palestinians are allowed in Israel and do come into Israel and kill Jews.

I never said 40 babies were beheaded. I never even mentioned beheaded babies, but you did! Nice deflection attempt. But babies were killed, women were raped, people were tortured. And yes, a baby was cooked to death. I’ve not seen anything retracting that. If a living baby wasn’t cooked in an oven, praise God! But forgive me for believing such an act is entirely possible, given how Palestinians behave generally. I’ve listened to their leaders declare they will do this again and again. I’ve watched their leaders proudly proclaim that they use Israelis' love of life against them because they (Hamas) worship death. If that’s the side you want to support, you go right ahead, but don’t you dare cast aspersions at me to mount your own cognitive dissonance. And whether it was 1 person who was raped, tortured and killed or 10,000, how can anyone justify the barbarity by saying, "They didn’t kill as many as you claim; it’s not that bad”?

The West has been brainwashed into believing we’re evil and the responses of the oppressed are appropriate and justified. No, they’re not. You don’t torture and murder children because you’re pissed at the government. You don’t rape women because you’re pissed at the government. You don’t torture people because you’re pissed at the government. Furthermore, our leaders have done some terrible things, but we are not our leaders and our responses to this moment, not that we know the depth of their depravity, will be what kind of country we are going forward. We’re not irredeemable.

For all the West’s faults, it’s still the best thing going today. You think living under Iran or Hamas would be peaceful for you? They kill you before they gave you a second look. So you can bang on about Jews and Zionists; I’m going to side with the folks that believe like I do that I have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And I’m going to side with the governments that will at least make a half-hearted attempt to allow me to live according to my principles.

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

Wow!!! If only I could get my point across like you just did perfectly. Thank you!!! It’s God inspired.

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GG's avatar

Thank you. I appreciate that.

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liz's avatar

where did you get this report? the mainstream media? because all the truth I see coming out is the opposite, including reports from Israeli hostages released. and ALso there are reports of IDF IMPERSONATING HAMAS to create atrocities. did you see this with your own eyes? or CNN or some other suspect outfit?

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Sam's avatar

Bibi is this you? You’re going to need to provide links to your comment.

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GG's avatar

Hamas is this you?

I know Google is hard so here you go. In Hamas' own words: We will repeat the October 7 attack, time and again, until Israel is annihilated." https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-official-ghazi-hamad-we-will-repeat-october-7-attack-time-and-again-until-israel

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Sam's avatar

So? If Israel has the right to defend itself then so does Palestinians. Maybe you should try a different search engine and look up how it was Israel’s military that killed lots of hostages and the people at the rave and not Hamas. How did the cars get blown up when Hamas couldn’t have done it?

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GG's avatar

"Defend itself" doesn't include paragliding into a concert and murdering all the attendees. It doesn't include breaking into people's homes and torturing their children before kidnapping or murdering them and their parents. It doesn't include putting babies in ovens and baking them.

That's not defense. It is offense and it is offensive to anyone that loves life. It's barbaric and heinous. It is evil. That you support it tells me everything I need to know.

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Sam's avatar

Israel itself murdered lots of its own people at the concert.

and the baked babies is just nonsense as are the 40 beheaded babies. And I do not support what Hamas did, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. And again you are ignoring what Israel has been doing to Palestinians for 75 years.

Btw Hamas isn’t in the West Bank and have you seen what Israeli settlers have been doing there? If not you ought to look into it and see why people are against Israel’s actions. Get back to me after you do.

And how is Israel killing thousands of children self defense? Or turning off all critical infrastructure and killing babies in incubators…ect? Tell me how that’s any different than what you accuse Hamas doing? Except Israel has been doing these things for decades. If you can’t admit that Israel is committing crimes against humanity then you aren’t being honest with yourself.

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Bluebird's avatar

https://www.commondreams.org/news/netanyahu-map

Netanyahu Shows Map of 'New Middle East'—Without Palestine—to UN General Assembly

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liz's avatar

BEFORE THE CURRENT DEBACLE btw

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

For this particular situation maybe we should say, Israel is releasing arrested attackers, and Hamas is releasing people who were kidnapped. That is specific.

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liz's avatar

Thank you. Is it coincidental that our entire congress.is bought by aipac? I smell Mockingbird media.. for so many still blind on this issue.

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liz's avatar

let's not forget the LAND Grab, JUST LIKE LAHAINA.

I am informed that ENORMOUS GAS AND OIL deposits reside under Gaza and the gazans gotta go for that reason alone. see the British PM's family's leases from Israel.

ALSO THE BEN GURION CANAL, which would be created with NUKES in that area, and would rival the SUEZ for $$ AND access. GAZA also in the way here. THOSE PEOPLE GOTTA GO for maximum use of resources, and to guarantee ALL THAT MOOLAH goes to Israel.

any questions? Check out Max Blumenthal and Jimmy Dore and others on youtube.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I read this whole string 6 hours later and I have one comment on this string. We are all being played. And they are achieving their goal of keeping us all bickering with each other in a psyops to distract from the actual instigators of this "new" war. The Ukrainian war is fizzling out like a Roman candle that has burned up and the NWO cabal of the West needs a new war to perpetuate their momentum for a NWO that is increasingly in jeopardy of failing. They HAVE to conquer the American people to even salvage what the cabal has achieved in their NWO plandemic which is only the white West. They failed in their attempt to bring the whole planet into the NWO with the plandemic and now the Africans and the BRICS are rising in opposition to the cabal's NWO.

Just like Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, HAMAS is a creation of the USG and the Israeli State. Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people and their state sponsor is Iran, not the Palestinians. Both the USG and the Israeli gov't are fascist governments, illegitimate NWO client states whose goals are antithetical to their own people. The USG is a Marxist woke dialectic construct established in the 2020 election coup and the Israeli gov't is a Zionist fascist gov't that has nothing to do with true Judaism. Both the USG and the Israeli state serve the interests of the NWO cabal and are not answerable to their people. The USG bought this war with a $6 billion payment to Iran and another $10 billion payment after the attack and this was sanctioned by the Israeli state who stood down the IDF to allow maximum impact for the mass media. Israel's goal is to dispossess the Palestinian people and occupy Gaza for the offshore gas fields. Once that is complete, they intend to take the West Bank. A broader conflagration may ensue which would give the USG the excuse to impose domestic controls over the American people.

There are no innocent parties in this conflict. The only innocents are the Palestinian and Israeli people who are dying as collateral casualties. Understand that this is all psyops and theater. We are being played. Do not feed into this.

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Jeff C's avatar

Amen brother, well put.

The problem is you can't point this out without being labelled Anti-Semitic, pro-Hamas, or a Christian heretic. Just maybe things aren't as clear cut as people would like us to believe.

My comments are intended to get people to question the assumptions they accepted without thought (as I long did). I don't have a dog in this fight aside from hating civilian casualties (on any side) and ensuring my two teenage boys will never be drafted to fight in this debacle.

Absurd propaganda is relentless from both sides, whether it's from Hamas or the IDF it's still lies intended to emotionally manipulate people to support their agenda. Rashida Tlaib and Ben Shapiro are no different, they both attempt to manipulate others to kill their enemies. Enough. Particularly as Christians we have to stop this.

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WP William's avatar

Truth is good medicine; let's see the the faces of those released prisoners, the charges and convictions they were incarcerated for and validity of them. Let's see the faces of the Hamas attackers/leaders, their financial ties, the NGO's and supporters who fund them all including common ties to some in Israeli leadership perhaps. What media investigations show the games that are played in Israel (and Palestine) for $$$ and control; no, far easier to blame religion or race or culture than dig into facts of the issues--US could have insisted embassy in Jerusalem and a valid 2 state agreement were tied together (for past 20+ years). We defer to our State Dept and policy makers and truth is a classroom of 3rd graders could do better.

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Jeff C's avatar

Yup. If they truly are documented terrorists I will be the first to admit it.

I've been watching the game long enough to recognize that the media routinely labels Palestinians as "terrorists" with little evidence, but IDF snipers that kill innocent Palestinians *never* get the same label. (I'm not saying all Palestinians are innocent, but it is undisputed that the IDF has killed huge numbers of innocent people without repercussion.) It's not always the case of course, but there is a clear pattern.

That's why I questioned the description that was put forward as a matter of fact with no evidence. I don't in any way question Jeff Childers integrity as he's made clear he's a stand-up guy. I do question if he has looked into this as deeply as he has Covid and other topics.

You would think after all that has been exposed over the last four years people would be more willing to question their shibboleths, but not in this case apparently.

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WP William's avatar

Hannity mentioned one of those released had wielded a knife and attacked a Jewish woman down the street from her; okay it MAY be Terrorism, or it may be a Neighbor-Dispute.. how would i know? The Algerian school knifer in Dublin was doubtless a terrorist as the media, the police, the prime minister ALL proclaimed he WASN'T, and that the ignorant white christian nationalist protester-rioters were the true terrorists and Islamaphobes (not at all triggered by a hateful and lax Gvt. failing to protect children). Now had the dude attacked a Jewish school he'd be viewed expressing a very real and understandable pro-Palestinian frustration and triggered by the victims to attack them. Had he knifed Trans-kids and teachers at a school club event he'd be declared a deluded Trump-inspired psycho that needed more $$$ for mental healthcare and school security and programs to normalize the stigma felt by Trans-Lobby.

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WP William's avatar

NPR did a good story decades ago about how Israel (who exactly, i don't recall) would tap into the water aquifers etc etc from quite a distance away, how this kind of "sell us your mineral and water rights so that you can have your own state" (reservation) nonsense was at the top of list why the 2 state deal was unacceptable to the Palestinians at the time. Full honesty and disclosure; the Islamists can justify deception via religion, but why mention that fact when EVERYONE else can and does as well??? YHWH demands Just weights and measures...so of course nominal Jews and Christians would never violate or twist things in dishonest fashion!?

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

Where are your facts coming from?? lol!!!! You most likely do not live in the Middle East. My facts are live witnesses.

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Sam's avatar

Well said and thank you for saying it. I read this article yesterday and while it’s calling out liberals I wonder how many conservatives would recognize their views while reading it?

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/the-unforgivable-hypocrisy-of-the-american-liberal/

Take a look at it and be honest with yourself about whether it applies to you.

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

"Maher...insisted that Trump would be much worse — arguing, non sequitur, that Trump never conceded losing the 2020 election"

America never conceded the 1972 Olympic men's basketball gold medal game loss to the Soviets, for a reason: because it was STOLEN. It took THREE tries to install the Soviets onto, to make them Residents of, the top podium.

You never concede the legitimacy of an injustice committed against you.

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JohnS's avatar

Unless your name is Bernie Sanders and you’re well compensated for doing so.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

I am catching up on all my emails from the last week. A very active four year old (as well as his parents) has been with us all week and I unable to summon enough cognition to make sensible comments. James is a hilarious little fellow. From somewhere, he picked up an old Southern saying, "what in the sam hill?" and has been liberally using it. I hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving celebration!

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Kathy McCullough's avatar

I live across the river in Oregon from Maryhill, Sam Hill’s “castle in the middle of nowhere” that he built for his daughter Mary. Sam came from Minnesota to Seattle - was a railroad man from Sr. Paul - and built the first paved roads here in the Columbia Gorge since he was also a Quaker. what in the same Hill is a very common expression here!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Oh I love this background story, thanks!

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Anne Clifton's avatar

Great! I didn't know the origin of the expression.

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