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jmsmithmd's avatar

Good morning. I told my patients, I work for you, not the public.

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Barbara Moore's avatar

Yes! Many physician groups have become like public health, completely following AMA dictates. No exceptions. The AMA is the gestapo, controlling everything.

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C. Wilson's avatar

We were in a wonderful group of physicians. They've gone "corporate." You get 10 minutes and your doctor of many years hasn't even looked at your chart or does anything.

We left for a sole practitioner who has the word "holistic" on his door. My husband's first meeting with him? He cut ALL his many meds by 1/2 on the way to zero. He has all the problems statins were supposed to correct AND the side effects. Me? Doctors have tried to get me on "life long" meds for years.. I did my research, found healthy ways to correct, realized cholesterol is just a stupid number, and "Just said NO" to being a drug addict. How is being on drugs for life any different from being a drug addict?

So, at 75 my resting bp is 90/60 and my arteries are perfectly clear - with cholesterol of 250 or so (I don't remember or care nor does my new doctor). I take no meds and am healthy. I'm still wearing clothes that are the same dimensions...some I've had for 45 years and they fit. Diet and exercise - no seeds oils and rare added suger, etc. I used to wear a 7-9. But the clothing people have changed the sizing so women can fool themselves that they are not FAT...get a mirror. Now I wear a 4 and everything is loose.

If ever I can't find a real doctor, I'll just quit going. I am familiar with orthopedists. Too many bar fights (I'm serious) and other physical extremes.

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Keith Jajko's avatar

I simply started avoiding added sugars at the end of 2022 and I lost weight and feel better. Various physicians and psychiatrists with my "medical provider" once had me on handfuls of pills daily. I simply stopped taking almost all of them. NO ONE has ever tested how ALL those medications react to the others. It's insanity to take handfuls of meds daily.

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C. Wilson's avatar

I agree....we get warnings not to mix clorox with ammonia, but nothing about mixing deadly chemicals and eating them.

I "flunked" my sugar test last spring in blood work. Might have been the chocolate (!). Quit all added sweetners (not just sugar) of any kind and promptly dropped 10 pounds. We still have a 1/2 c serving of good ice cream after dinner. Life is not worth living if we have to give THAT up.

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Keith Jajko's avatar

I have almost the exact same experience. I lost 10 to 15 lbs. and it ain't coming back. I felt ill and was diagnosed pre-diabetic. At the time I was eating bagfulls of peanut M&Ms or rainbow sherbet nightly. All I got from my physician was a handout about the Mediterranean diet. F that, I decided. Waaay limiting in terms of choices.

At first I avoided *all* sugar but eventually got good at reading labels, focusing on Added Sugars, and allowing a little of the lower added sugar numbers (ice pops being my main indulge). I learned a lot about which foods surprisingly tacked on loads of sugar.

Honestly I don't remember it being all that hard to avoid sugar. I discovered stevia leaf powders which are natural and can be used in much lower volumes to make things plenty sweet. Unsweetened chocolate, almond milk, and more are not bad. Amazing how skipping added sugars can be so very healthy. Thanks for sharing!

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C. Wilson's avatar

I'm a nondiabetic hypoglycemic.. Most doctors don't even know what that is. My Dad had it and Mom figured it out. If I have any of the "not actual" sugars, it's worse than having sugar. With sugar, my tongue sends word to the pancreas that "sweet" is coming and kicks out insulin. (simplified version). If I have artifical sweetner of any kind, there's no sugar for that insulin and it's worse.

Mom figured out that milk of any kind is the answer. Milk sugar and milk protein. Takes about 30 seconds to get relief.

Found out that "sugar" is a real addiction. Now, I don't even want it. The weight loss, though I wasn't fat at all, was a hidden bonus.

We all help each other, don't we?!

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Allulose tastes even better than stevia. But it’s hard to find in stores; available online though.

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Cousin Clem's avatar

Yes, the medical field has convinced people that it's no different from taking vitamins and that it's purely natural to be on 5 presciptions by age 50. They even use the cute name "meds" to make it sound very harmless. "Did you take your meds today?"

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Dena's avatar

Yes, The whole statins will fix your cholesterol & your heart is a total lie. We’ve had a whole generation of docs prescribing statins & guess what - heart attacks, heart issues are still the #1 killer. Too many docs are not using their brains, but continuing on with the same tired, non effective treatments. Use common sense, reduce your sugar intake, move your body & read up on nutrition & natural remedies if you need to.

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Garden Lover's avatar

There were no issues with cholesterol until they found a drug that could lower cholesterol. As Mary Ann says below, our body needs cholesterol. Nearly every function of the body requires it. Our brain requires it. It would be interesting to see if there’s a connection between statins and all of the different types of dementia we have now.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I believe that Gary Taubes has cited those studies. Seed oils are also a culprit where dementia is concerned.

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Dena's avatar

I think there are studies. A tablespoon of organic coconut oil in coffee is good fat for the brain. Very mild taste that’s good.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I like a pat of butter in my coffee.

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Garden Lover's avatar

If only I liked coffee. I never have. LOL That rare anomaly, I know. 😁

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Sir Jeff Morency, Ph.D.'s avatar

There is a DIRECT connection between statins and dementia. In my Heart Disease Seminar, I reveal how it works.

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Garden Lover's avatar

As has been proven, cholesterol is important to so many vital functions. It’s even important to making vitamin D. Yet so many people, even when you show them the facts, refuse to believe it or listen.

There’s only so much we can do.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Would be lovely if RFK and desantis also pushed research for this

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Sir Jeff Morency, Ph.D.'s avatar

I give seminars revealing the ACTUAL cause of Heart Disease and what people do to eliminate it. harmonicresearch@gmail.com

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Cholesterol is actually good for us: it’s used to repair damaged blood vessels and our brains need it. If cholesterol is too low, it can kill you, so good for you that you found a doctor who knows something. We have zero holistic doctors here.

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Juju's avatar

LDL is the ONLY mechanism our body uses to bus healing proteins and such to areas of damage. When we artificially lower it we are depriving our body of the highway it uses to heal itself.

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C. Wilson's avatar

I understand there are 2 categories of LDL. One is light and "fluffy" and the super good stuff.

I got my start with Dr. Mercola and his daily emails. NO seed oils.

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Sarcastia's avatar

Right you are.

If you aren't already plugged in to him, I highly recommend Dr. William Davis, MD, who can be found via youtube.

And if you haven't tried his recipe for SIBO 'yogurt' I hope you will. You're in for a real treat.

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CMCM's avatar

It's also good to have somewhat higher cholesterol as you get older.

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George de Luna's avatar

The majority of anyone's cholesterol is produced by their own liver.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Yes, and why would a substance that everyone makes be considered dangerous? 🤦🏻

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Paul Singer's avatar

Good work!

We switched to all natural foods mostly, focused on meats and vegetables and eggs last January and dropped our meds / statins, and in 30 days our bloodwork was better than ever.

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Juju's avatar

💃

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C. Wilson's avatar

Good job!

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Eruca Sativa's avatar

The clothes sizing might be bc our clothes comes from China, Indonesia, Vietnam and Thailand so they size accordingly. Though you're right they're gas-lighting us about it.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

The clothes are coming from cheap labor countries but the size changes are, as C. said above: to deceive women into thinking they are the same size they used to be, and that decision was made by the clothing industry in this country who tell the manufacturers what to make.

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Miss Rodeo's avatar

You sound like a gal I would enjoy hanging out with!

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Shawn Pitcher's avatar

Extensive history of involvement in bar fights tends to indicate a strong correlation with shorter health span. You are exceptional.

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C. Wilson's avatar

Not at all. We all had plenty of backups. Everyone on the floor went to the hospital and everyone standing went to jail. Simple. Observers- the audience.

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Sarcastia's avatar

On behalf of any band members: oxoxo

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C. Wilson's avatar

Were not Band members. We were LEO. It was our job.

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Betsy Frost's avatar

So true...all of your post. OMG, the sizing thing. I was small even years ago(2-4) but now must find 0 or 00 clothing if it exists and I am not emaciated just small built for my height. Vanity sizing is ridiculous!

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C. Wilson's avatar

The worst is that so many people are now overweight that they don't even make very many items in the smaller sizes. I'm pretty well limited to mail order- or a lot of consignment stores have normal sizing.

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Barbara Moore's avatar

You’re doing great!

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Reggie VanderVeen's avatar

And yet the AMA only represents 12.1% of practicing docs (per this math: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/campbells-scoop/80583). Kinda similar to the Progressive nutjobs who get all the air on our campuses and in our media.

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Barbls's avatar

AMA owns the CPT codes that CMS and insurance companies use for reimbursing for medical services. Puts them in an amazingly powerful position. Bobby should do something about THAT!

The Current Procedural Terminology (CPT®) code set, created and maintained by the American Medical Association (AMA), is the language of medicine today and the code to its future. This system of terminology is the most widely accepted medical nomenclature used to report medical procedures and services under public and private health insurance programs in the United States.

CPT coding is also used for administrative management purposes such as claims processing and developing guidelines for medical care review. Each year, via a rigorous, evidence-based and transparent process, the independent CPT Editorial Panel revises, creates or deletes hundreds of codes in order to reflect current medical practice. CPT is copyrighted by the AMA and as such must be licensed to be used in electronic products or other forms.

https://www.ama-assn.org/practice-management/cpt/cpt-licensing-frequently-asked-questions-faqs

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rolandttg's avatar

The Rockefellers control ALL of them, and all of our medical murder mafia. Medical Schools, licensing agencies, regulatory agencies, doctors, medial journals, media, Big Pharmaceutical, pharmacies, did I leave anything out?

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Shawn Pitcher's avatar

Control of the coding scheme is critical to the grifting operation. Just like control over the the development of primers for pcr testing is for pandemic agiprop.

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Barbara Moore's avatar

Exactly!! Only 16%, and yet they rule!

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Skenny's avatar

Sorta like woke progressives (< 20%) ruling the rest of the country, or at least trying.

EDIT: Could have, and perhaps should have deleted after seeing Reggie had made essentially the same point.... But I'll let it stand, and re-emphasize the point that the primary virtue of the woke is volume. Lots and lots of volume, in both the "much" and the "loud" (obnoxious) categories.

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c Anderson's avatar

It is a fear of malpractice suits that make doctors follow marching orders under NIH.

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Barbara Moore's avatar

True. That’s how the physician groups are controlled by public health and the AMA - fear of lawsuits.

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Shawn Pitcher's avatar

So, its really fear of the potential threat of violence and loss that officers of the state will enforce if one steps out of line (breaks the law).

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Garden Lover's avatar

Well, they will hound doctors who step out of line. Many good doctors fled the US for Tijuana because they were actually curing people.

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Shawn Pitcher's avatar

Based on the power law (Pareto) we can calculate that the percentage of “the vital few” exceptions can be reduced to a more manageable 0.01%. But good luck discovering who these individuals are.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

ACOG is toooooo🤬

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Janine Melnitz's avatar

As an OB/GYN, I completely agree. Vaccines for every mom and baby, lose your board certification if you utter the words ivermectin, love abortion, etc. It is a scam...

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

HFH system is too . Del Bigtree is very brave . Watch his movie coming in October. An Inconvenient Study Is a real truth bomb !!!

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Thank you Laura Kasner . 💞🙌🏼

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

thanks Laura.

Just this tickler(trailer) video was enough to convince.

I can't wait another week!

Fantastic.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Exactly!! What do we need individual doctors for, in that case, if all they will do is parrot the AMA and the CDC?? The whole point of having your own doctor is supposed to be care that is tailored to an individual’s needs, history and risk factors. If doctors can’t do that, might as well not even have them, they’re just useless middlemen.

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Cheryl Schroeder's avatar

I was appalled when I found out the kickbacks doctors get if they reach some magic number of flu, COVID shots or some such thing. Most appealing is what pediatricians were doing to our kids . People have to wake up. COVID was my awakening. Never thought that doctors were so easily swayed, arent they suppose to investigate any new drug they are promoting? Told me that COVID shot did not mess with your dna not crossed the blood brain barrier. With my own feeble brain I figured it out myself and said no.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes, I was appalled too. I didn’t know about the incentives for childhood vaxxes until relatively recently and I think it’s egregious that they are allowed not to disclose that. It’s a huge conflict of interest and in opposition to informed consent 😡

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Rob's avatar

The AMA is a guild!

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Medical mafia!

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Granny Annie's avatar

Most people don't seem to understand that the AMA is an organization OF the doctors, BY the doctors, and FOR the doctors. Neither patients nor health have a damn thing to do with it. Gestapo is right!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I just took my dad to a Kaiser dr for his back. I was disgusted that the only options for care from them are PT, drugs, back injections or surgery. No chiro no accupuncture no alternative therapy. UGH

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Susan Seas's avatar

Have any suggestions on how to find a Dr like you? 😄

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Janet's avatar

Functional med docs are good. I have a clinic not associated with a system but you will still be sent to a hospital. No insurance coverage mostly. Separate clinics? It’s a puzzle.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Not all functional med docs are created equal. Unfortunately, there are many who are just in it to make a profit on the tests and supplements they are selling. That's what makes it hard to find a doctor who is actually interesting in the patient.

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Janet's avatar

Well, then research it. I trusted mine because she was my gynecologist in the past so I knew her and she was ready to do what she really wanted. I’m satisfied. Goodness, she had Died Suddenly book on her desk in 2021. I felt safe there.

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rolandttg's avatar

Our functional doctor is great, and used to be an OBYGN.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Hard to research it without being charged on office visit. I don't trust on-line reviews.

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Janet's avatar

Well, then do what you like. I just made a suggestion.

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Janet's avatar

You know, you just have to take a stab at it. All have initial evaluations and you can get an idea by asking questions. I figure I’m worth it so I pay it. But not everyone can I know.

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Lori's avatar

Good to see you Robin!

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Robin Greer's avatar

Good to see you Lori. 🙂

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Bgagnon's avatar

So Robin, how do we tell the difference between the two and get the “right” one? There must be some qualifying points?

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Robin Greer's avatar

To tell you the truth, I wish I knew how to tell the difference. Sometimes word of mouth is the best option. You have to know someone who likes their doctor. I haven't found a good one yet. We liked the doctor we found during Covid as they did alternative treatments like IV C, but we couldn't stand her staff so we haven't been to a doctor since and thankfully, we haven't had any emergent needs.

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Kimry's avatar

I got mine through a referral from the receptionist at my chiropractor

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Leo's avatar

Robin, that's a true dynamic in most professions/businesses, etc. I think the key is to do your research and to ask the people you trust.

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David Nelson's avatar

Is there a national professional organization or registry for functional-medicine physicians, Janet? (Well, there sure oughta be.)

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laJumelle's avatar

The institute for functional medicine is one, they have a list of certified practitioners. I too would be cautious of some that label themselves as functional medicine, as they charge a ton of money and require you get a lot of testing done and then Rx a ton of expensive supplements. It’s like allopathic medicine but with herbs and no insurance. I will say, it often takes a lot more digging to figure out what is going “wrong” in someone’s body, so that does require more investment.

I say this as Functional Medicine Nurse Practitioner. 😆 With a [useless] degree in public health too!

Basic advice: try to eat mostly paleo, avoid gluten and sugar, get excellent sleep, and exercise/move. That will get you a LARGE percent of the way to better health.

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

actually I believe there IS.

Pretty sure Midwestern Doctor has offered it in his substack.

Search on it. . .

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Alice in Wonderland's avatar

Midwestern Doc is a woman. An awesome one. I love seeing her quoted and becoming more read all the time.

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

woman: yeah, whatever.

no proof of either.

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Janet's avatar

No. Not that I know of she had the book Died Suddenly on her desk in 2021. Good enough for me. I felt safe there.

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Romgrp's avatar

Dr. Mark Hyman, MD is a functional medicine Doctor. I read his book The Blood Sugar Solution, years ago- definitely pre- plandemic. He used to have a list or school for those interested in functional med Docs. It might be worth a search for anyone looking.

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Eruca Sativa's avatar

FM docs are just MDs jumping a sinking ship. It's a marketing rebranding.

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Janet's avatar

Entitled to your opinion but mine has helped me quite a lot. I fell and broke my femur requiring a half hip replacement. You can’t just write off conventional medicine either. You’ll need it some day. I guarantee you will need it sooner than you think.

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C. Wilson's avatar

My first "go to!"

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Lori's avatar

me too!

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David Nelson's avatar

Umm, DUH! I'm on a regular IMA MAILING, but could NOT connect DOTS!

Specifically, Lori:

https://imahealth.org/providers/

You can search for "Functional" (or "Functional Medicine") in the "Medical Specialty" box! And you can elect to "Telehealth" or not, but "No" means you won't see any results beyond 100 miles of your ZIP code. (You can also search for "Lyme-literate" in "Medical Specialty".)

If you've got a BIG city on your travel plate, (like 'Big D'), you might look for functional medikers there and combine a first appointment with a vacation.

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Lori's avatar

I rather give the link I did bc it gets people looking at what else they offer; the protocols, peer reviewed papers etc!

Great minds think alike:} Have a great weekend David!

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Debi Lutman's avatar

Thank you!!

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Self employed docs and word of mouth through like minded people!

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C. Wilson's avatar

I found one. Rare. A friend found a naturopathing nurse practitioner. Florida doesn't allow naturopathic physicians. MD union/gestapo. There are som MDs who have converted.

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Kathy's avatar

Sarasota, Florida has Latitude Family Clinic, which is nurse practitioners, and they were totally up on early treatment during Covid and will never pressure you to take any vaccine. Who really needs a pediatrician? They see people of all ages.

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Cynthia's avatar

I found Latitude Clinic online early in the pandemic and have been thrilled with them. Used them to get ivermectin RX and have recommended them to many people.

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C. Wilson's avatar

Thanks so much. Many C&C subscribers are in Florida.

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GSDCrino's avatar

I have found a functional nurse practitioner in Lutz in a Christian family medicine group called Life Choices Medical. It is a non-profit https://lifechoicesmedical.com/. I did not know that Florida did not allow for Naturopathic doctors here

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Cabogirl's avatar

Thank you. We need more like you. Thank you. (Coming from a family of five docs I get it. )

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Bard Joseph's avatar

Wear a lab coat and stethoscope?

Lab coats were invented by Madison Avenue.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I can't stand those stupid white coats. We had an anthropology professor whose main interest was monkey teeth. She always wore her lab coat wherever she happened to be on campus.

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Bard Joseph's avatar

Such a smarty.

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Keith Jajko's avatar

Probably wearing the Smarty Pants eyeglasses a la Rachel Maddow. 🙄

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Kathy Sincere's avatar

Medical freedom activist Laura Hayes has been speaking and writing about this deceptive issue of "public health" for almost 30 years. This is part of a commentary by Laura on Age of Autism, September 25:

"The excerpt below repeats the propaganda propping up the vaccine paradigm, specifically, that “vaccines are an important public health tool”:

“Vaccines are an important public health tool for prevention of serious communicable diseases, but for children with certain immune or metabolic primers, a tightly clustered set of immune challenges may function as an acute trigger.”

There is no such thing as “public health”, there is only individual health. There are such things as public sanitation, and proper maintaining of the environment so that the water, air, and land are not dangerous for living beings (which our trillion dollar regulatory agencies do a terrible job protecting and maintaining, choosing to grease their palms instead), which help to keep individuals in an area healthy. But there is no such thing as public health, that is a false concept used to make people believe that everyone must be injected with vaccines for them “to work”. In other words, it is my taking a vaccine that makes yours work, and vice versa. Unbelievable that people have fallen for this ridiculousness! And when people die due to vaccines, it is also part of the “public health” nonsense, and framed as being “for the greater good”, a necessary evil, acceptable collateral damage of innocents and their loved ones.

The evidence also clearly shows that vaccines are not responsible for the sharp decrease in deaths from diseases. The reality is that it was better sanitation measures, cleaner water, refrigeration of food, nutritious food, and better living conditions.

Repeating the vaccine propaganda continues to reinforce the vaccine paradigm which leads to further and increased vaccine devastation of human beings."

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MaryAnn's avatar

“Public Health” officials were off my radar until the scamdemic. Their true colors came out when suddenly they were The Experts on all things we must to do to “stay safe”. They were the state/county version of Fauci/Birx and equally sinister. Such complete rot. I will never trust a bureaucrat to have my best interests at heart.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I would like to see those officials who pushed anti freedom policies that negatively affected our health and rights prosecuted for what they did!!

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CecilRhodes's avatar

"Public"= herd = property.

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Cheryl Schroeder's avatar

The other day while picking up my one prescription from CVS, I was bombarded with “vaccine/shot” messages, first on my text message telling me I could add a flu shot to my prescription if I wanted. Then waiting and looking at all the signs around me offering coupons if I get a shot, how easy and efficient it way, etc, etc. then when was my turn to pick up my prescription I was asked in person if I wanted “my” shot! It was all I could do to say evenly, “no thank you”. It wasn’t just me, the poor guy in front of me was asked if he wanted a shingles shot, he could hardly hear. He declined. I was just overwhelmed by all the signage, the text, the hard push to get their patronage to conform to their wishes.

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Cheryl Schroeder's avatar

Glad to know there are some good doctors out there.

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Politico Phil's avatar

YES... and while we are at it, END the Department of Education!!

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Snavely43's avatar

Exactly! Substitute the word “education” in place of “health” in this commentary and we see the same results.

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erin's avatar

Yes yes yes and don't stop at "public health."

I am all in.

And use the food pyramid as a prime example of the harmful nonsense they peddle.

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DaveL's avatar

And the McGovern-inspired war against fats--they still sell non-fat yoghurt in the store, which tastes terrible so they load it with sugars.

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erin's avatar

I make my own from half and half... :-)! -- never did buy the nonsense.

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jewel's avatar

point us to a how to for yogurt from H&H?

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erin's avatar
Sep 28Edited

Super easy with a yogurt maker. 1 quart of half & half, pour in a bowl and whisk in 6 tablespoons of plain yogurt. (Chobani sells a small quantity.)

Pour in the yogurt maker cups, turn on the machine, and let sit for 12 hours. Chill. Thick, creamy and delish.

At that point, you can make thicker Greek yogurt by placing it in cheese cloth for 3 hours and let some of the whey drain. Or overnight, and you have wonderful cream cheese. Yum.

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FH's avatar

Food pyramid comes from USDA (🤓)

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erin's avatar

I thought it might.... but it's part of "public health" and their propaganda.

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Tio Nico's avatar

one very solid way to end the Ed is to homeschool your own kids. Once that umbiical crd is cut, they have nought to say or do in your domain. Tell them "you're sacked". No, don't even tell them that. Just walk away.

Don't "buy" their lies that your child won't be able to do anything with their lives. I know a whole big pile o kids who were homeschooled. One is a vey successphul commecial electrician. another started out as a 15 year old trapping moles. Made enough to buy a house.... when he was 17.Dad had to "own it" because kid wasn't legally old enough. Ugraded, sold at prophit, bought 81 unit apartment, did the same and walked with #100K cash.. at 19. Another built an oil change business out o nothing, had 7 locations. Valvoline wanted that territory so he sold it, walked with $9Mn, cash. At 40. Another has built an advertising and promotion business, now nationwide, brings in a very healthy income which he needs to raise his 9 kids (one o them is team lead at a local Chic Phil A, at 17). How many more do you want to hear?

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Politico Phil's avatar

Totally agree. I homeschooled both my boys until college. Very successful.

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LouLou's avatar

What does a two income family do? Most families can’t afford to live on one income. What if your child has Down Syndrome, is hearing impaired, blind, has autism, or a very low IQ? Most parents would not be able to handle a situation like this. I suppose a family could hire a private teacher but that would be expensive. Home schooling is great, but it’s a privilege most people can’t afford. What are your thoughts for the millions of people who need a school for learning and care coverage…sometimes from 7:00 am to 6:00 pm every day?

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Garner's avatar

So, I'm not sure if this is really a question, or just an argument against homeschooling. But here is our answer ~ you become more frugal, you relocate if necessary, you make a commitment that your child's education matters more than extras, you teach your children life skills that include jobs and entrepreneurship to help fill financial gaps, or to help at home while you fill financial gaps. Parents DO handle children with disabilities and network with other parents for support and to learn about ways to help them recover. Co-ops help parents who need to outsource a subject they aren't comfortable teaching like Physics, or English Composition. Finally, homeschooling is not a privilege, it's a lifestyle. We considered it a responsibility. For those who perceive the school system as a babysitting service ~ I can't help you.

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Jack Bergeron's avatar

And don’t forget grandparents helping out. My grandma wife teaches math. I help out with expenses as I can so my daughter and daughter in-law can stay home to teach.

The state of Florida enacted legislation requiring tax money allocated for education follow the child. So if a child is homeschooled the parents receive the money instead of the public school.

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LouLou's avatar

That’s true, grandparents are lifesavers in many ways. Choice is good. Florida does a lot of forward thinking in regards to individual freedom.

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Leo's avatar

Garner, Boom! Great response.

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LouLou's avatar

Thanks so much for sharing your experiences. I appreciate you taking the time to share them with me. Today, people have more choice than we had decades ago and that’s a good thing.

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Heather LibertyCricket's avatar

💯 exactly.

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Lisa Runquist's avatar

My daughter in law has 3 children, one with Down Syndrome. She homeschools her kids altho her DS son does go to classes in the morning ànd gets other extra help. They also have served as foster parents - although. Right now they are mostly taking care of kids when their regular foster parents need a break. She is amazing, but is determined to do what is best for her kids. Her husband has a 4 day a week work schedule so is around 3 of the 7 days.

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LouLou's avatar

Her independent sprit is admirable. Thanks so much for sharing your family experiences.

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Heather LibertyCricket's avatar

Create a community. The resources are vast now. But every place I've lived, VA, CO, NM, CA, ID, over the past 18 yrs homeschooling, there have been single parents and single income and dual income parents who homeschool their kids. Grandparents, friends, splitting the work week by shift of day or days of the week, they make it work. So many more options abound now, it is harder than ever to find an excuse not to homeschool. And the utter un-individualized education children are getting - especially in the situations you describe, is the reason I'd say half of the homeschoolers are pulled out of public school.

Most homeschoolers haven't done it forever. They leave when the system fails them. Much like leaving the medical system. You have to figure out they don't have your interests at heart and resolve to take your health and education into your own hands no matter what.

I have two kids with significant learning challenges. Not going to list the labels, but several of the ones above and different ones. Totally possible to homeschool. Yes, I was a public school teacher for 9 years. No, that training did not help me teach my children. I had to learn all new stuff that schools don't use and I ended up totally off grid for addressing the majority of their issues. And the majority of homeschool parents have no teaching degree. Research has shown zero difference in outcomes.

One is 18 and got his private pilot's license at 17, and is about to sell three real estate deals he is building in the next 6 months, creating new housing opportunities for families. My 15yo is playing violin publicly all over town with ensembles and on his own at market events, and selling wooden swords he is making at various venues including a woodmakers expo and Renaissance Fair. About to start selling online. They both still have their areas of weakness for sure, but a) we still work on those and b) show me a public school kid with a disability who doesn't have a weakness somewhere still. We all have strengths and weaknesses. What do we do with them and how do we respond?

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LouLou's avatar

Thank you. You are right, a community can make all the difference. Home schooling has definitely grown in the past couple of decades making it easier to succeed. all the best.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Wow, your question elicited great responses below! As you can see, the answer is different for everyone. I'll just hit a couple of points that I think are important.

Both my wife and I had full time careers outside the home. Yet I "homeschooled" the boys from the get-go. Number One Rule: do not try to duplicate the institutional model of schooling! This is the #1 cause of homeschooling parent "burnout".

Build your own paradigm. Regardless of what you do, children are prodigious learners and they will learn at a rate that amazes you. I based my homeschool model on the Robison Curriculum: https://www.robinsoncurriculum.com/rc/homeschool-curriculum-excellence/ coupled with the Saxon Math Curriculum: https://www.christianbook.com/page/homeschool/math/saxon-math

There is not another program on the market that even comes close to Dr. Robinson's, IMO.

The only part of education that requires intensive "teaching" is the initial learning period of learning the phonics of the English language and the initial elements of math, the 1-2-3's. After that, they have the tools they need for self-learning. I assigned the work and then reviewed the work after I got home. If they were stuck on a math concept, I would assign more work in that concept until they "got it" before moving on. IE, they had to figure it out. In this manner, they learned "how to think and problem solve", something that is not learned in public school and why so many students flounder when they get to college where no one is spoon feeding them.

Both my boys were surprised that their peers in college were complaining about how difficult it was. Their response was college was no different than what they have been doing the whole time in homeschool. The college counselor told me that they never have any problems with homeschooled children and my boys tested out of as many initial classes they could take through advance placement tests. My youngest was admitted to the very competitive Pharmacology Doctorate program at UF, without a degree, after only a year and a half in community college. His peers at UF couldn't figure out how he did that. It's called test scores. He graduated Cum Laude.

Starting out with my first boy, since we both worked outside the home, I found a church school that offered a half-day curriculum in kindergarten. I then hired the kindergarten teacher to teach the Alpha-Phonics book by Blumenfeld to my son the other half of the day. https://www.christianbook.com/page/homeschool/grade-level/preschool/preschool-phonics-and-reading/alpha-phonics In that same year, I helped my son memorize Psalm 119 which he recited to his class. At that age, their brains are like sponges! We continued with the Christian day school until third or fourth grade at which point we went completely home school until college. That's how we solved the problem of both parents working. If one parent is home, the solution is much easier.

BTW, in homeschool, the academic day only lasts about 3 to 4 hours. The rest of the day is free and no homework! I had them do their math work as the first subject while their minds were fresh. From there, it is all downhill.

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LouLou's avatar

I appreciate you taking the time to share all of this information and your personal experiences with me. I’ll check out the links you provided. I have heard of Saxon math before, but I don’t know anything about the philosophy. It was very kind of you to be so supportive in your reply. Blessings to you.

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Politico Phil's avatar

One addition.... Starting about sixth or seventh grade, I had my boys take the SAT (or ACT) test each year with the college bound HS seniors to document their progress (after doing a practice test). By the time they were ready to apply to college, they were able to ace the Test.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Happy to help!

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Sarcastia's avatar

Loved one home schools all her kids. Eldest tested at college level by age 14, and at 17 received a full ride academic scholarship from Liberty University.

All those kids have strong Christian values, excellent behavior, can converse intelligently on most any subject and are following in big sister's footsteps.

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Tio Nico's avatar

Yup Home schooled kids/households are by a wide margin my most desirable companions, on many levels. Never a dull moment, been exposed to SO many new and interesting things, and I've been a livelong persuer in all sorts o interesting things.

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Sarcastia's avatar

Some of our best hires have been home schooled. They make excellent employees.

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LouLou's avatar

Thank you, I love that. It’s inspirational to hear.

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Sarcastia's avatar

Likewise, your story is inspirational to me and no doubt to many others as well.

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LouLou's avatar

Thank you for your response. I appreciate your perspective and excitement.

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LouLou's avatar

Thank you for your response. I love hearing these stories of success. It’s wonderful.

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Sarcastia's avatar

You're most welcome, Lori. Thank you for starting the discussion. It's been really gratifying to see.

I wish you and your kiddos all the best and encourage y'all to keep on keepin' on in your learning journey.

I have the deepest respect and gratitude for parents who raise kids to be productive, contributing members of society. Please tell your kids this, and tell them to keep up the good work. You too!

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Kittykat's avatar

Homeschool is absolutely the way to go. Don’t let the government have any more control over your kids. Their aims are to use your kids for their purposes not to educate or empower. The teachers are extremists. The results speak volumes. Mass withdrawal is needed.

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Jack Bergeron's avatar

Both, among other federal departments, are unconstitutional. The Constitution grants very limited powers to the federal government. Power over health issues and education are not listed among the enumerated powers.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Neither are the dictates of what constitutes valid marriage. That is supposed to be a state issue.

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RebeccaGrrrl's avatar

That’s a good point. Keep saying!!!

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

Where you been? Trump is shutting it down

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Chixbythesea's avatar

It’s been crickets. I hope he’s launching guidance on the subject.

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Janet's avatar

So much has been going on in the background. We must let them work.

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Double Mc's avatar

I have to keep reminding myself he's been in office only 9 months. He has already accomplished so much.

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SB's avatar

All the department of ed has done is deliver reading, writing and arithmetic illiterates.

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taxpayer's avatar

And end not just the federal Dep't of Education.

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Brenda VanWeezel's avatar

I'm an RN taking a public health class right now for my BSN. What total garbage it is. But I have to parrot their stuff to get my BSN to get the job I want. I'm not going to put examples on here, but if you contact me I can tell you all about it.

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

In this age of wokeism I feel for any thinking person trying to get a degree in anything. I don’t know if I could do it. But I’m an old Jewish guy who’s way beyond that. However one Friday night I was listening to the rabbi’s sermon when he started on a left wing rant spouting untruths until I couldn’t take it anymore. I stood up and basically called him a liar in the middle of his sermon and my wife and I walked out.

Stay strong Brenda and stick to your goal!

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Sue Rosenthal's avatar

And I would bet a dollar there was maybe one or two more in that congregation that were feeling what you were, but did not have the courage to speak out. The next time they're in a similar situation perhaps they'll remember your example and speak out too. Well done.

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Ruth H's avatar

Good for you and your wife. 👏👏

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Chixbythesea's avatar

Good job!

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

Good on you and your bride, sir. The problem with the American self hating Jew. All progretards, always. To find one like yourself is rare indeed. Probably due to your age. Look at how many Jewish students were protesting for muzzie pigs

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Bard Joseph's avatar

Wars are never about religion, only routes and resources.

Dont fall into that trap.

Canaanites play that game.

"Now time grows short. History will not allow the people of Shem additional centuries, or even decades, to come to their senses and realize what is going on. Just as they have been victims of massacres and genocides for centuries, the people of Shem now face the determination of the Canaanites to exterminate them utterly and finally. a goal they hope to achieve by the end of the millenium." The Curse of Canaan.... Eustace Mullins 1987

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Maureen ODH's avatar

Joseph Kaplan and wife… FANTASTIC!! AWSOME! If only more would stand by their principals and exercise right from wrong… like everyone who walked out of the UN Assembly as genocidal BB walked up to the podium… walking out is a very strong message 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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Maureen ODH's avatar

Yes… they do…. “ They influence our decisions without us knowing it. They numb our senses without us feeling it. They control our lives without us realizing it. They live. Horror master John Carpenter (Halloween, The Thing) directs this heart-pounding thriller. Aliens are systematically gaining control of the earth by masquerading as humans and lulling the public into submission. Humanity's last chance lies with a lone drifter who stumbles upon a harrowing discovery - a unique pair of sunglasses that reveal the terrifying and deadly truth.” from your video link Bard Joseph… They Live

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Bard Joseph's avatar

Love the summary Maureen.

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Robin Greer's avatar

My husband and I have actually walked out during a church service (we were visiting) because the person in the pulpit wasn't preaching but using it literally as a bully pulpit against the pastor of that church.

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Benj's avatar

I love that you did that! Must have pulled that rabbi down a few notches.

I was in a similar situation in a protestant congregation; luckily the pastor didn't stay in the woke nonsense part for too long, because I had to keep my mouth shut, I was being paid by a friend to play bass in his band that was providing music for the service.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Thank you for standing up for truth. And if more people would do this and call out the lies maybe there would be less lies being spouted without accountability.

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Dr Linda's avatar

That’s wonderful!

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Carol M.'s avatar

I had a state department of health nurse call me once when I refused permission for a shot for my daughter ( it was supposed to stop sexual diseases). We talked and in the end, she admitted she would not let her daughter take it, either (this was back in the late ‘90’s when it first came out and the brochure stated it had been tested on 12 girls). Best of luck with your studies!🪴

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🌱Nard🙏's avatar

Our pediatrician cautioned against it. Love that man.

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Carol M.'s avatar

What is amazing is years later, my by-that-time 20-ish daughter went to her doc for check up. She remembered how I was against that shot, when this doc tried to recommend it. At that time, it was for kids of about 12-25(?). She said no and then asked, what happens if you take it when you are older? He said that was a good question! 🙃

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Eli's avatar

Carol, here is what happens if you take it when you are older: the shot causes the incidence of cervical cancer to increase. There is now a large increase in the women who were in the "catch up" cohort, who were older when the shot came out. If they have been exposed to a few strains of the (harmless) virus through sexual activity by the time they get the shot, the strains become stronger and are *more* likely to cause cervical cancer. That's why they're all about getting the kids when they are 12 years old now.

And the theory that it prevents cervical cancer if the kids get the shot when they are 12 and have not yet been exposed to the virus? Just a theory. The women who got the shot early are not old enough yet to be getting cervical cancer, so it's still an unknown.

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Tonya's avatar

9

They're giving it to 9-year-olds. They even tell them if they get it that early, it can be a 2-shot series instead of a 3-shot series. Kind of like the pushy car salesman saying, "Walk out that door, and this deal is off the table."

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Eli's avatar

Ugh. I had thought it was 9 - 12 but I wasn't sure so I took out the 9. So sorry that it was correct. I've heard the folks who work at the drug company say the HPV stands for "Help Pay for Vioxx"

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Sarcastia's avatar

I can tell you for sure one thing that happens: doctor, his pharma rep and the drug maker all make money.

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Dr Linda's avatar

It’s remarkable that you found an independent pediatrician. I fired 5 before I found one I could work with.

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🌱Nard🙏's avatar

Over 25 years ago…

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Dr Linda's avatar

Same

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

That one. Gardasil. I remember. Sent an article to a friend who has a girl my son's age. To ward her off...

I have ZERO DOUBT that she had her daughter injected with that, years ago.

I KNOW she and both her offspring are "fully injected & boosted" to the gills.

(She and I no longer communicate. Not since early '22. Not sad about that.)

FYI: That injection has been "recommended" for boys too, since those early days. My ex's son's mother had their son injected with that one, and the mRNA as well.

He couldn't stop her. She defied him. (And his attorney...)

#Diabolical

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Lori's avatar

that jab is really bad news.

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Indeed.

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Momcat's avatar

My guess why they pushed gardisil? Thanks to Bill Clinton, kids at that time, decided oral sex isn't really sex so it was ok to participate in since it wasn't really sex, or so Bill led them to believe. Then young men started getting oral cancer, they put 2 and 2 together & decided all girls needed the gardisil shot.

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

😂

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Romgrp's avatar

I saw an advertisement for that same drug- now for the adult population. Ugh….seriously😠

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

🤬

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Merry Lee's avatar

Yay you!

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Kathy's avatar

Until the Covid shot came along, Gardasil was the most dangerous and deadly vaccine. RFK said that if he wanted to, he could move to Australia, where there is no liability

shield for vaccines, and make a terrific income, just representing people injured by Gardasil.

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John Baker's avatar

I am a 78 year old industrial hygienist. I have a background in physics and biophysics and learned IH at the knees of great pioneers of the profession. Never went to school for IH. The people that have MPH degrees from graduate programs of public health aren't prepared very well for the actual work that needs to be done in the field.

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taxpayer's avatar

"[T]he actual work that needs to be done in the field."

What is that work?

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John Baker's avatar

It is to observe the conditions and activities of a worker that contribute to his or her exposure to hazardous agents such as air contaminants, noise, radiation, etc., and to understand from him or her why and how they carry out their work. Also to collect air samples or to measure the noise, radiation, etc. and based on that data, to determine the best ways to control the hazard: design it out, engineer controls such as ventilation or shielding, with personal protective devices as a last resort or during the time when the controls are being put in. Also to provide training and communicate reducing hazardous exposure to management and the workers. Almost all of my work was done as an employee or consultant in private industry, although I started out in air pollution control.

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taxpayer's avatar

That seems a good description of the work of an industrial hygienist (an occupation I'd not heard of but which seems useful). When I think of "public health," the legitimate work might be to observe patterns of disease in the community, and recommend fixes. After the example of John Snow. (However, looking up Snow's bio, I see that he is considered an epidemiologist.)

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MaryAnn's avatar

Excellent question. I was familiar with a public health dental hygienist. The person held the position for almost 30 years. In all that time, she never treated a patient but pushed the gov programs that funded her cushy, irrelevant job.

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Carol Brizzolara's avatar

I did a lot of devil’s advocate writing and posting to help the sheep read/see/consider the ‘other’ side of things.

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Sally Kennedy's avatar

Coming out of a 3-year diploma nursing program back in the late 60's and into what was then called an "RN completion program" in the mid-80's, now RN to BSN, the public health course opened my eyes. It was a great course taught by people who really understood the nursing role in public health. I loved it! Your comment is really more about whomever created the curriculum, how your nursing professors are interpreting the curriculum, and the overall wokeness of your college of nursing than anything else. It will be over soon :-) Best of luck to you in your career.

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Lori's avatar

You will love this one Brenda from Sayer Ji on his SS this morning.

WSJ Claims 'Tylenol Deficiency' Causes Autism — While Defaming My Work

The Dangerous Myth of Tylenol ‘Deficiency’: How Corporate Spin Reversed the Precautionary Principle

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Robin Greer's avatar

Wish I could say that I'm shocked.

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E. L. Cook's avatar

Then you don’t deserve the BSN. Please stop going to school and treating people if you think public health is garbage.

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Gail W's avatar

How do you enrage a conservative?

- Lie to him.

How do you enrage a leftist?

- Tell him the truth.

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Thanks for using the correct "him" here. As my high school English teacher used to say, "Sorry ladies, the default pronoun in English is he."

It's grating to hear plural "they" used to mean singular "he" or "she".

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Gail W's avatar

👍👍 That's how conservatives can 'identify' each other online.

➡️ Anti-woke.

😊

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Yes, good point.

I'm a programmer in the SF Bay Area. Once in my code I wrote, I wrote a comment including "If the user does this, then he..." and another employee (male, like I am) argued that I had to change that before he'd approve the comment.

In a comment, something not even visible to the users.

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Gail W's avatar

Ha. I would have felt compelled to ask him "Why?" to which I suppose he probably would have said "Because some people (or even some women) will be offended by it!" To which I would have responded "Don't you think that you are being patriarchal by ASSUMING what others will be offended by?" [Just to short-circuit his brain.] 🤣

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Or worse: s/he.

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Eruca Sativa's avatar

Ah! But the use of the plural "them" and "they" as a stand-in for a singular pronoun predates our woke era by centuries. Its proper use (in this case) necessitates that we not know the individual's sex, not that we ignore it. So 'a driver' or 'a person' whose sex we don't know could be a "they".

This ( https://www.oed.com/discover/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/?tl=true ) article has a pretty good summary of the situation though unfortunately it goes full-woke like halfway through. Most articles I've seen on this subject do unless they're older articles from the 80s, 90s or 00s.

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Deja vu! The guy who wouldn't approve my comment also claimed history to justify his refusal.

It's still illogical though.

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Miss Rodeo's avatar

Grates on my nerves, too.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Exactly.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

LOVE that!

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Karmy's avatar

Good morning C&C. May our Lord bless us all and protect us from evil!

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Chixbythesea's avatar

I get the feeling so many of our problems come from the fact that Americans were on autopilot for decades and largely checked out. We forgot to be vigilant. Evil never sleeps. (Neither does rust.)

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Which only proves once again that Jefferson was right: we can't have or keep a republic unless the people are both engaged and educated. Thank heavens we periodically wake up. This would be the 4th time in U.S. history: a Great Awakening before the Revolution; a Second Awakening before the Civil War; a third one in the late 19th century; and now this.

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David Nelson's avatar

Thank you for bringing the reference, Mary Ann. I thought of it immediately, but couldn't think who issued the warning. (Franklin, I think, did say, something like, "There madame is your republic, if you can keep it.") I bow to your historicity... or histor-ocity.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Yes, Franklin warned us too.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

And incidentally, the 7th political realignment.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Exciting times!

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Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

This is the double-edged sword of a high-trust society. For a time, our institutions did work, or at best were ineffective at working against us. And then came a tidal wave.

I thought all the fluff pieces in news casts about sunscreen and health advice was just to fill up time in the thirty-minute newscast between commercials, turns out they were serious and actually think that people should be treated like first graders telling us to stay out of the pool after eating, slather us with sunscreen, remove diving boards, and all pads and helmets and cover us in bubble wrap in case anything should happen.

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Jeffrey N. Gratton's avatar

I concur.

Every creature in nature instinctively knows how to care for itself. Contrast that to Many: in so-called 'civilization' we indoctrinate ourselves to believe that only the 'experts' (starting with the family doctor) know what's best for us. This has tragically become more and more real in our perceptions. It was never God's intention that His most beloved creation should find himself bereft of such intuition and knowledge. Why would animals have more abilities than humans? If one lives in a God centered mindset, it makes no sense.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Sense-making? When "Positive Law" displaced "Natural Law" as the paradigm to interpret US Constitutional rights from. Jeff is the lawyer, could elucidate on the subject much better than I. Dropping interesting videos here of an important moment in history when this distinction came to fore.

The Senate confirmation hearings for Justice Clarence Thomas in 1991, Sen. Joe Biden presiding as Chairman. When the issue of Natural Law vs. Positive Law came up. An important debate that never was followed up. And here we are, thirty more years down the path of a theory of jurisprudence that as Biden told Thomas, "you know and I know it's a big f'ing deal."

Short version: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4887077/user-clip-biden-natural-law

Long version: https://www.c-span.org/video/?21107-1/thomas-confirmation-hearing-day-1-part-2

Natural Law jurisprudence vs. Positive Law jurisprudence. Positive Law isn't based in any morals that violate natural laws of man, nature and God. Positive law is simply do as your told, moral or immoral. It's the law! Passed by a group of corrupt hypocrites in power who you must obey. The US Constitution was written under Natural Law understanding of jurisprudence. Positive Law is raw power that determines law, no morals, no inalienable rights, no higher authority is called upon. This shifted last century after the first round of "Progressivism" made its impact on our courts. Note: Every single crime against humanity under the Third Reich was constitutional, unchallenged under Germany's Positive Law jurisprudence. Devoid of morality.

Morality, humanity, spirituality has nothing to do with Positive Law. Don't think for yourself, don't check in with God, a higher power that guides your thoughts and actions. Just. Follow. Orders. Make sense now? By design.

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Double Mc's avatar

Wow. I would really love to read a whole essay on that topic. And I think you did a fine job.

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SH's avatar

Actually, most of those sunscreens contain chemicals that penetrate the skin and can be dangerous or even cause skin cancers. Just FYI

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Sir Jeff Morency, Ph.D.'s avatar

Most sunscreens are LIQUID CANCER. The toxicity they deliver is one of the 5 causes of Cancer. I reveal the other 4 causes in my Cancer seminar. harmonicresearch@gmail.com

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Sunscreen use is why my daughter had skin cancer. She never went outside with it. Thankfully she was cured of it. But she still thinks the sun is her enemy.

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Jeffrey N. Gratton's avatar

There is a game-changing book titled "Embrace the Sun" by Marcus B. Sorenson (2018) which blows the conventional sun phobia madness out of the water. It includes a meta analysis of thousands of studies globally showing that those with skin cancer spend the LEAST amount of time in the sun, and furthermore, it shows that the incidence of ALL forms of cancer worldwide is least likely among people who spend the most amount of time in the sun.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I could read it out loud to her but she wouldn’t listen. She knows what she knows and it’s anything her doctors tell her. She also got at least 3 covid shots and now has been diagnosed with scleroderma. I asked if she would try DMSO but her doctor told her not to. We can’t talk about any of this. All her adult life she has deferred to “experts”.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

Or 4th turning.

We’re at the weak men👉🏿weak society stage.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

BTW, On the pool eating….

It’s not side cramps so much, it’s water intake causes blockage of esophagus due to swelling of the bread you’ve just eaten thing. Happens all the time with kids.

Hoover the pizza and jump in the water…..

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Devil given a foothold in colleges in the sixties and the trickle down until the tiny spring becomes a raging river in the PRESCHOOLS!! The devil is about killing off of God's children and all His designs.

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MnmMom's avatar

🙏🏻❤️

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Charlotte's avatar

Great post! Interestingly enough, I bet Dr. Martin Kuhldorff would agree with you. He was our “public health” guru, until covid, when he stood against mandating vaccines in the healthy and was summarily pushed out. Public health is synonymous with Big Pharma control and Democrat socialized medicine initiatives (also known as - take your soma kids).

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Interesting. Brave New World was part of high school English curriculum, as was Lord of the Flies. In the post-WWII 60's when the threat of Marxism was real, almost palpable. But now?

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🌱Nard🙏's avatar

Our 8th grade English teacher still teaches Lord of the Flies and other classics 💗. But it’s a charter school. There is hope!

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

My 9th grade Latin students used to be reading The Odyssey in English class, just when we started to read the much-abridged version in our Latin text. And they loved, were excited by, the synchrony. Then….the 9th grade ceased to read it. Funny—about the same time the highly-respected English-teacher-of-the-brightest-students retired, and was replaced by her former student (whose command of English grammar was not strong….). But, from my point of view, public ed does not care about quality in teaching staff.

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Bard Joseph's avatar

Of course. Book publishers control the curriculum.

Who controls the past controls the future.

Orwell.

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🌱Nard🙏's avatar

Cross curricular works…such a shame the new teacher didn’t realize that and cancelled a classic to boot 🤦‍♀️.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I know. And the cross-curricular aspect wasn’t even planned, it was just happenstance.

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LMWC's avatar

They pretty much don’t read period in schools any longer, let alone classics.

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Bard Joseph's avatar

The entire population does not read.

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LMWC's avatar

I know a great many people who still read. I still have favorite classics from when I was in school to reread. Book clubs flourish in many areas, even classics book clubs. Granted this appears to be mostly those over 50, but I still believe we are a Nation who reads. I will concede it is fast disappearing.

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Bard Joseph's avatar

True.

Book clubs seem to have the the mundane books. I love reading. I guess being an independent reader is key.

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Lisa Runquist's avatar

Unfortunately true.

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Lara James's avatar

Brave New World and/or Orwell’s 1984 should be required reading for all high school students.

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I fully agree. Furthermore, since in 1963, the American Council of Teachers of English determined that English grammar no longer need be taught in order for students to be able to write well (please, be my guest: wrap your head around that one), I posit that in not many years later, the college graduates with an English major and a teaching certificate, lacked an understanding of English grammar. And following from that, the only exposure their students had to English grammar was through exposure to classical literature, written by people who had studied English grammar. And following from that, when the English teachers of American schools moved to replace the teaching of classical literature with modern literature, written by people who had not studied English grammar, the students lost any connection to the structure of their native language. Enter Grammarly. BTW: as I understand it, grammar is the structure, the skeleton, of a language: the “how this language works”. And to function successfully in a given language, to successfully transmit your thought to your hearer or reader, understanding, and following the rules of that grammar, is requisite.

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FH's avatar

Add Animal Farm

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Jeff S's avatar

They read "memes."

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Public Health is the construct that "Medical Sociology" builds itself inside government, law, legislation, agencies, businesses, whole of society. What is Medical Sociology?:

https://www.sociologygroup.com/medical-sociology/

"Medical sociology may be traced back to the late 1800s in terms of intellectual development. Sociology and allopathic medicine, two embryonic sciences, began to make contact in modest but major ways in the late 19th century."

Medical Sociology is also tied to Marxist "Conflict Theory":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_theories

And Medical Sociology gave rise to an organization, "Association of Internes and Medical Students," that was disbanded and scattered to other medical sociology movements after it was associated with the Red Scare (Red Fact) during the McCarthy Anti-Communist hearings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Internes_and_Medical_Students (AIMS)

AIMS helped midwife Disease Politics:

https://academic.oup.com/jhmas/article/74/2/127/5481292

And lookie who was a leading figure in AIMS. None other than Valerie Jarrett, long time top advisor to Barack Obama, often referred to as "the other side of Obama's brain." Daddy Jarrett was a Marxist medical sociologist. Obamacare takes on a different sheen with this background:

https://www.judicialwatch.org/communism-in-jarretts-family/

And this piece I pinned on my Stack introduces "The Logic of Disease Politics" as a Chinese Communist Party research booklet described "Public Health" under Mao and since:

https://freedomfox.substack.com/p/the-devious-use-of-infectious-disease

Thanks for diving deeper into this Jeff. Readers who are curious can explore deeper down the rabbit hole and find a whole lot more through this window if they choose to climb in.

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Silent scorn's avatar

Valerie Jarrett is another one that is in need of indictment!!

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Freedom Fox's avatar

We also have to understand that this foe doesn't look like the monstrous caricatures of WWII, showing bloodthirsty Huns, squinty-eyed monkeys in the jungle, or robocops. This foe looks like PTA moms, affable 'nice' educated people using feel-good words like maestros orchestrating symphonies of sympathy, caring, compassion and with aspirational drums. They don't look like demons. So we have to stop looking for demons. Look for the moral busybodies. Sugar sweet, hearts of gold. Turned into weapons of mass societal destruction. With the approval of their own conscience. Including and especially in 'public health.'

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” - CS Lewis

And for those keeping score, Fascists like the Nazi's were also Socialist-Marxists. Central-planned authoritarian governing models, kissing cousins with Communists. Tormenting their populations for their own good, "ethically" - specifically Utilitarian Ethics, greater good efficiency without humanity, caring, faith in a higher power. Man-as-god ethics:

Why did so many German doctors join the Nazi Party early?

International Journal of Law and Psychiatry, October 3, 2012

https://sci-hub.se/http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ijlp.2012.09.022,

"During the Weimar Republic in the mid-twentieth century, more than half of all German physicians became early joiners of the Nazi Party, surpassing the party enrollments of all other professions. From early on, the German Medical Society played the most instrumental role in the Nazi medical program, beginning with the marginalization of Jewish physicians, proceeding to coerced “experimentation,” “euthanization,” and sterilization, and culminating in genocide via the medicalization of mass murder of Jews and others caricatured and demonized by Nazi ideology. Given the medical oath to “do no harm,” many postwar ethical analyses have strained to make sense of these seemingly paradoxical atrocities. Why did physicians act in such a manner? Yet few have tried to explain the self-selected Nazi enrollment of such an overwhelming proportion of the German Medical Society in the first place."

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Freedom Fox's avatar

One of the 'nice' educated people who murder with the approval of her own conscience. Just died a fugitive in Havana. Has streets and schools named after her in Democrat communities. A heroine cop-killer. "Greater-good" murderer. Same mindset as all of the assassin's and would-be assassins. Born Joanne Deborah Byron. Became a handmaiden to an evil despotic ideology. Same one that exists today, never went away, just was rebranded. A 'fellow traveler' revolutionary with Obama's 1960's-1970's Marxist revolutionary mentors. Who actually did commit the most violent attack on the US Capitol in history, blowing up bombs inside of it and shooting congressmen and senators. But Obama sounded sooo smooth! He cared. A well-dressed, well-spoken Negro (Biden's words):

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-confronts-fugitive-cop-killer-in-cuba-part-one-647806019924

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Charlotte's avatar

Wow, I will gladly take that dive! Great info!

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Teresa's avatar

I just might climb in..

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william howard's avatar

pretty clear that the medical industry has no interest in curing anyone - just management of symptoms so that he flow of drugs can continue- integrative health or Auurvedic are the source of healing which require

lifestyle changes

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Spot on re: "the medical industry has no interest in curing anyone - just management of symptoms so that he flow of drugs can continue-"

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Robin Greer's avatar

Management of numbers...not even symptoms.

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Lori's avatar

yup, take your soma.

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Peace's avatar

Lori - can you explain "soma" as used in your context?

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Charlotte's avatar

Somawas a drug that the citizens were all required to take int he novel Brave New World. It took them to a euphoric state of mind and pacified them, and helped the authoritarian high tech regime hide their sins by placating the citizens. The main protagonist stopped taking the drug for a while and he had to confront the unsettling truth of what was really going on, and had to face it alone.

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Peace's avatar

Ah, bread and circuses.

We have a pharmacy in our area named "Sona" - a little too close to "Soma"!!

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Lori's avatar

Read a Brave New World. It is a great book!

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Fred's avatar

At least Soma didn’t noticeably exacerbate suicide and homicide. “Take your SSRI’s kids.”

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Lori's avatar

that is true but made you promiscuous.

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Fred's avatar

Unaware of that.

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Lori's avatar

yes, in A Brave New World, they were very open with multi partners any time under influence of soma.

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Peace's avatar

Ah ha! Now I see what soma is. Interesting there is a current drug named soma (a muscle relaxant).

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Lori's avatar

I am referring to soma in the book A Brave New World.

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Jan Hollerbach's avatar

Well, at first I was taken aback by your suggestion to deep 6 “public health”. It took me all of 15 seconds to pick up my jaw from the ground and say, “By George, he’s got something there!” As for the Christian genocide in Nigeria, I have been aware of that thru various charities. It’s horrific. Rounding people up in a church - including women and children - and beheading everyone or setting the church on fire. It’s diabolical. It’s pure evil. And it’s genocide. Real genocide.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Nigeria is a display of unchecked Islam at work. A good preview of France or England circa 2028 - 2030 at the rate those folks are going.

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Syria too.

Canada is not far behind but catching up to France & the UK.

Swiftly.

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ItsMeAgain's avatar

And our northern border is VERY porous!

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

True story.

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Lori's avatar

just finished reading The Late Great Planet Earth. Prophesies abound of all this evil as we head toward Revelation. This book laid it all out and pointed out in the NT and OT what would come. Christian persecution was foretold and it will get much worse.

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Gloria Magee's avatar

Oh my. I got that when it came out. It was a must read at the time. Scared me for a while. I need to find it and read it again. That was a long time ago. Hal Lindsey.

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Lori's avatar

Loved it and learning so much as I go to the Bible to read the scriptures connected to the prophesies of old. It is all coming to fruition.

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Robin Greer's avatar

My ladies Bible study is going through Thessalonians right now. The Apostle Paul, as led by the Holy Spirit, wrote to the church in Thessalonica and one of the reasons who wrote to them was to encourage them that the Lord would return. We continue to wait and He will return for us one day. I Thessalonians 5:23-24 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful; He will surely do it.

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Lori's avatar

Yes we can't become slackers!

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PamelaZelie's avatar

I, sadly, believe it’s coming soon for Europe. Especially France and England.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Oh how they forgot why the Crusades had to happen.

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AJF's avatar

I just heard the UK is requiring digital ID!!😳😩

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Bard Joseph's avatar

Sounds like the head chopper in Syria that Trump called s fine fellow.

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Johnny-O's avatar

As opposed to a fake genocide??

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

If only it were possible to CANCEL PUBLIC HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS (even the non-governmental ones). This horrid turn of cultural/health events started rearing its ugly head the beginning of the 20th century. What do we have now? Exactly what you described in vivid Childers style, J. C. ! Tearing it down would be a HUGE TASK and I honestly don't believe most citizens realize what has happened. The line up for the drive-in pharmaceutical dispensing companies every FRIDAY in our town of about 13,000 souls is MIND BOGGLING. People line up more for getting 'legal drugs' than they do to get their paychecks (which are probably digitally deposited in their bank accounts most times.)

Ah well....I am near to the call to the end of this mortal life and I must say I look forward to the NEXT (REAL) LIFE celebrating with JOY and AGAPE LOVE emanating EVERYWHERE in the Lord's bright kingdom!!

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MaryAnn's avatar

“For Believers, this life is the only hell we will ever know.” ❤️

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Beautiful!!!! Born once...die TWICE...Born twice...die ONCE!!!

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KBB's avatar

As always, Thomas Sowell summed it up well:

"One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results."

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SH's avatar

Now, THAT is a person deserving the Medal of Freedom! Thomas Sowell is great!

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David Cashion's avatar

Islam is not compatible with civilization.

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Islam does not belong in the West at all.

I was horrified when I first saw a mosque in Europe. I still feel ill when I see a mosque anywhere in the West.

It's like the flag of sodomy and pedophilia in classrooms. It just doesn't belong there. It's a hostile invasive ideology.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Take a look at Dearborn Michigan. My father-in-law is from there. He would not go back there today. It is Muslim majority and the mayor and many other "leaders" there are Muslim. It's unrecognizable.

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Bard Joseph's avatar

You really should get a life.

Still believe in germ theory?

Modern science would founded on ISLAM.

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Sarcastia's avatar

And you really should learn some manners.

Ever hear of civil discourse?

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Bard Joseph's avatar

Not if I see a religion being attacked. That's a sick mind

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Islam is an evil religion. All Muslims are obligated to murder you if you refuse to convert or pay the jizya.

And Muslims murder random innocent non-Muslims every single day, all around the world, because Islam demands it:

https://thereligionofpeace.com/

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Bard Joseph's avatar

So called Muslim terrorists are assets of intelligence. ISIS AND Alqueda are examples. Christians are being murdered in Syria and Gaza by our allies.

Who is Iran killing? No one. They have never invaded another country, but we bomb them.

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Sarcastia's avatar

There's no excuse.

What you're doing is called projection.

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Tom's avatar

The US has no role in the genocide in Nigeria, et al. But it does in Gaza. In spades. Hence the protests by students and others around the world.

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William Beal's avatar

There is no "genocide" in Gaza, only a war against Hamas. Hamas is the only group advocating genocide when they have in their foundational documents that their goal is to kill all Jews. Protecting yourself from such an ideology is not genocide but just removal of a cancer, Hamas, from humanity.

Israel has Arab citizens of Christian, Islamic and other religious groups. I don't see them going through the country arresting them and killing them

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Lisa Runquist's avatar

Wikipedia needs to be taken out and shot.

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Tom's avatar

I agree but it’s kinda hard to insert bias into a simple list. I’m assuming the list is accurate.

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William Beal's avatar

The list may be accurate. But, after a cursory look at the list, I recognize many as Leftist or Left leaning. We can start with Wikipedia being Leftist. The U.N. which is pro-Islamic any more. I won't dive any deeper than that. Most of those groups accept a definition of "genocide" that is essentially defined as fighting against a group they favor.

As to the conditions of genocide outlined in the Wikipedia article. Hamas uses "civilian" facilities to fight from therefore Israel is forced to destroy civilian facilities; a recent drone video released by Israel, showed Hamas firing from a hospital. Israel is not trying to cause famine in Gaza; Hamas steals the humanitarian aid Israel delivers and either uses it for their needs or resells it to the residents of Gaza to raise money for continued terrorism. It has been shown that the Hamas released pictures of people starving in general is staged to include one young man who was suffering from some disease that made him look like he was starving. As to "civilian" casualties, Hamas uses "civilians", especially women and children, as human shields as they discount the value of a woman as 1/2 of a man and children less. The casualty figures from the Gaza/Hamas Health Ministry have been shown to be fabricated both in numbers and categories; many of the Hamas fighters, who dress in civilian clothing -- not uniforms, are lumped into 'civilian" deaths. The underpinning of all of this is Islam which is a barbaric socio-religious system that values death over life.

No, I don't have all of the specific articles that reference the above. It would be like having to state the specific textbooks that I used to gain the knowledge of engineering that I have.

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Lisa Runquist's avatar

Big assumption. Even apart from this, I have not gone thru the list, but I would also be willing to bet that many of these "humanitarian" groups are the same ones that have been supporting (many with our tax money) the importation of terrorists into the United States. YMMV.

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David Cashion's avatar

Only if you accept a false narrative.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Israel was testing grounds for the toxic death shots with some of the harshest requirements and restrictions on the planet - only China came close. They willingly did that to their "own" people. Why is it so hard to believe they wouldn't slaughter their neighbors without any regard?

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David Cashion's avatar

You should import some of those neighbors to your neighborhood.

But first, do you have a bunker with a safe room.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Your comment isn't a relevant reply to mine. Maybe you will be reincarnated and will have your food and electricity rationed. Sounds like a lovely life.

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David Cashion's avatar

There is no such thing as reincarnation just like there is no such thing as genocide in Gaza.

Maybe you will will wake up and stop being a useful idiot.

Sounds like a terrible life.

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Tom's avatar

Sure doesn’t look like you have a slam dunk case, does it? And public opinion is trending my way, even in the US.

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David Cashion's avatar

Nor you.

You provided a list, I provided a list.

I dont make decisions based on public opinion.

How many clot shots did you get while you were following public opinion?

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

It isn’t compatible with the living. As such, it must be eradicated.

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Bard Joseph's avatar

Genocide in Gaza is much more so?

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Jim Foye's avatar

Jeff, you've got a way with words. Best definition of “Public Health” I have seen.

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

And social justice. I hate that phrase and could never get anyone to define it. Especially those who use it

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KBB's avatar

And "hate crime."

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Jeff S's avatar

I hate crime.

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Me too. It's hateful.

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Essay33's avatar

"Hate crime" is absurd. By definition, nobody commits a crime against someone else because they love the other person.

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Susan Seas's avatar

That is Biblical! 👏🏻👏🏻 Why we are called to love our neighbors. Wouldn’t the world be a better place!

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David Nelson's avatar

I would hit Nancy Pelosi on the head with a loaf of rye,

Out of love I don't want her to be stupid until she die.

If on the head she gets hitten

Within 30 days of this written

We must hope that, because of this post, I'll have a strong alibi.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Exactly.

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

That one too. It’s either a crime or it’s not.

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Sue Rosenthal's avatar

"Search Assist

Social justice refers to the fair distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society, ensuring that individuals' rights are recognized and protected. It emphasizes equal rights, opportunities, and treatment for all, regardless of their background or identity."

There are universities all over the country selling degrees in this. Even graduate degrees.

It must be a popular choice.😱😢🤦🏻‍♀️

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Lisa Runquist's avatar

It is taking from those who earned it to give to those who think they are entitled to it.

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Skenny's avatar

Re: Public Health.... Not an enumerated power of the federal government. Drop it.

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Clara's avatar

You are brilliant even when you are jet lagged and writing on the run! This is a must read for everyone!

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Rukia Sands's avatar

Instead of Public health let’s fight for a Healthy Public. 😂

Healthy public definition: People free from sickness caused by social control, responsible for their private health.

🙂 Encourage people to learn for themselves what makes them healthy like they do when dieting & stop eating or taking poison.

🙃 I literally cannot eat anything outside of what I make from scratch from the farmers market or I throw it up. My body rejects anything not “pure” want to be able to eat out again without knowing the cost is an upset stomach and wasted money. 🤪

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Merry Lee's avatar

I had trouble eating carbs for 15 years. Turns out, the "standard of care" for thyroid patients didn't work for me. Once I got on T3 mono therapy, I could eat again. I still have trouble with grains; foods that may have been glyphosate. Flour from Italy allows me to bake sourdough bread.

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Jacquijacq's avatar

How did you go about convincing your Dr to switch from T4(levothyroxin for

Me). When I questioned it after reading about the diffences in a body’s response, my Dr said I’d have to see a endocrinologist. My Dr had no knowledge of there being a different option. Endocrinologist wait list for me was 10 months so I never pursued it

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Merry Lee's avatar

I lucked into a doctor in Albuquerque who prescribed T3 mono therapy. (An endocrinologist who wouldn't Rx T3 mono gave me his name.) I was in his office within a week and saw an NP. He gave me the latitude to experiment with NP & T3 (Liothyronine) until I figured out what worked for me. When I moved, I looked for a doctor in the same network: BioTe. The network teaches their members that T3 is critical to a patients health. (Unlike 99% of other doctors who buy into the test TSH & Rx T4.) Look for a doctor in the BioTe network. Some take insurance others don't.

I also bring articles supporting my needs to appointments.

The resources I've found helpful:

- StoptheThyroidMadness.com

- Thyroidpatients.ca

- https://paulrobinsonthyroid.com/dio1-and-dio2-gene-defects-and-testing-them-for-thyroid-patients-with-suspected-t4-to-t3-conversion-issues/

That last link led me to Nutrition Genome. Their test shows that I have a polymorphism for the gene that converts T4 to T3 in the brain.

Stop the thyroid madness has a chat. If you join, you will learn a lot reading others posts and you can ask questions.

Good luck.

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Merry Lee's avatar

I've not met an endocrinologist worth their papers. STTM members think endos are diabetes doctors. The last endo I saw, told me that "Some thyroid less patients just feel bad." Me in my head: "Well yeah! When you don't know how to do your job."

My best doctors have been 76 and managing their own clinics. I wish for you a doctor like those two.

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Jaime's avatar

Go see a functional and get on it then once ur on it the conventionals that accept insurance seem to just continue on with it- that’s been my strategy historically speaking it’s worked tho I often just stick to functionals so that’s another way to consider

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I’ve heard many people say that same thing about flour from Italy!

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

As always, I appreciate your elucidation of how language is used to obscure, deceive, and manipulate, Jeff—"collateral damage" being the quintessential example, of course.

Last week, I had what feels like a curtain-ripping revelation that explains *why* the cruelites have been pushing Wokeism and other identitarian insanity so hard for so long:

• "We Have Been Living Through a Global Blue Eyes/Brown Eyes Experiment" (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/we-have-been-living-through-a-global)

"The hypersonic rise of Wokeism, SJWs, ESG, and other identitarian initiatives funded by BlackRock, the Vanguard Group, and State Street; the inversion of Martin Luther King Jr.’s call to judge people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin; the gaslighting of the public by redefining 'racism' to exclude whites as victims; the vilification of and structural discrimination against white males under the guise of counterbalancing systemic racism; the gender wars; the supplying of charismatic leaders and movements to magnetize disenfranchised white males whose psyches have been rubbed raw after serving as the cultural whipping boy for decades … Suddenly, it all makes sense."

SPECIAL NOTE TO C&C ARMY—It's almost here!!!

MONDAY, 9/29, AND TUESDAY, 9/30

If you are anywhere near Southern Oregon, please consider joining CJ Hopkins and me at two events I'm organizing as part of his America Road Trip project. See the end of the above post for details:

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/i/174130973/the-cruelites-want-civil-war-lets-resurrect-civil-discourse-instead

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🌱Nard🙏's avatar

I plan to see him in Boulder! Super excited :). And I thoroughly enjoyed your Blue Eyes/Brown Eyes piece…well worth the read!

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Dr Linda's avatar

Same. It was extremely enlightening

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Awesome and thanks so much, 🌱Nard🙏!!

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Austin the Pug-puppy's avatar

Three days ago, I had a meeting with my allopathic doctor. It was only the 2d meeting we have had. I was hopeful since he ordered a couple of tests specific to my complaint that no one had ever ordered before. So, 3 days ago, I came back for the "way forward."

Lots.....and lots of words.....and then, even more words......but sadly, not much substance.

We chatted for a while and, hoping he would be motivated, I expressed my frustration regarding the lack of effectiveness for the drugs that "always work," especially when all others fail. His eyes lit up.....I had sparked something in him! So.....what do you think he said?

Wait for it...........he prescribed an antidepressant!!!!!

Public Health......put a fork in it......it's done!

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

I'm in Canada and 'opted out' of the Medical Mafia system so many years ago.

I'm 67, and "pay as I go" but very very rarely do I ever go to a walk-in clinic. Just power through whatever infrequently ails me.

Works for me but everyone else I know "sees the doctor", and hits Urgent Care & the Emergency Room all the time.

Especially post-jab.

"Doctors are baffled" here in Canada and the "health system" is overwhelmed and under staffed. POST covid. (Not during...)

So baffling, right?

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Julie Ann B's avatar

When I was working in surgery at a hospital in Green Bay, WI., we frequently had Canadians come to our hospital for cardiac or orthopedic surgeries. They claimed the “wait list” was years out so they paid privately to get the surgery they needed in a reasonable amount of time. I realize not all Canadians can afford to do that but as bad as healthcare is in the U.S. it’s far worse in other countries that have government subsidized healthcare, including Canada and the UK.

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NDCrouch's avatar

Unlike in Canada, in the UK you can 'Pay to Play' or have Private Medical Insurance,

the most well-known being BUPA (British United Provident Association). In fact they covered my wife and I when we first came back to the States.

I understand that they now provide Global coverage.

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Copernicus's avatar

🤦‍♂️

I am so sorry. What a joke.

Did you express your frustration regarding the lack of effectiveness at most drs to actually suggest anything meaningful? 😂

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Austin the Pug-puppy's avatar

The whole time I was talking he was "documenting".....so, no. It wouldn't surprise me if Big Pharma provides these "doctors" with suggested phrases for documentation based on a patients statements....so no. I've been doing this for a LONG, LONG time and so I just chalk it up under Yet Another Big Pharma Shill.

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