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The blood libel against Governor DeSantis about quarantine camps is back after a Joe Sansone post this week. DeSantis DID NOT sign any forcible vaccination or quarantine bills into law, ever. I debunked about this claim back in April.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/moist-feet-friday-april-28-2023-c

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

Jeff… Regarding the F-35 - a far more logical explanation is that it was shot down by hillbillies (made worse by the complex software…): It would not be hard to do if hovering at a low altitude and someone had the right weapon e.g. any so-called “assault rifle" or even a high-powered rifle - ask your readers who might be experts on guns... It would take several seconds for the pilot and/or the software to react and take evasive manoeuvres - long enough to be hit by multiple shots that could have caused the software to go haywire OR the pilot to panic (especially IF the pilot was a diversity recruit...)… SEE: https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb4841bff-2013-4610-9839-a4feccb0c11f_892x1740.jpeg

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Holly Champaign's avatar

Considering it was the eastern part of South Carolina, flat sandy land, it's more likely taken down by the Swamp Creature from a few years back.

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

This is total tin-foil musing, but check out what the WHO and the UN want control over, this being the UN that wants to control sex education (aka grooming) all over the earth:

'In addition, the United Nations itself is calling for an “Emergency Platform” that would “operationalize automatically” . . . “in the event of a future complex global shock . . .” This shock could range from a “major climactic event” to a “cyberspace connectivity disruption,” a “major event in outer space” or even an “unforeseen ‘black swan’ event.” In other words, the United Nations, like the WHO, wants to take over operations that should be run by our own government in case of any event on earth or in outer space that it deems an “emergency.”https://stopvaxpassports.org/release-soft-coup-hard-tyranny-spawning-global-governance-on-september-20/

It occurred to my tin foil imagination, that perhaps this is a slow set up that junctures with the alien whistleblower narrative. To give it credence. Now the ETs are taking out fighter jets. Would be very Independence Day. Just an aluminum wrapped thought lol.

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Leo's avatar

Cynthia, Well stated! The devil is solidly in the details of the UN/WHO/WEF encroaching global takeover. Jeff has assured us that a tsunami of law suits will occur if/when it happens. I surely hope so.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Just from current observations, law suits are quickly becoming exercises in futility.

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AusYank's avatar

So we can't find a $135M fighter jet 80 miles from base in the US...but they're supposed to send them into battle 8,000 miles away?

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

Just a cover story - better to be stupid than really stupid aka a $136M plane brought down by small arms fire is really bad!

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AusYank's avatar

Or really good. If your business is extracting a cool *trillion and a half* from taxpayers to build these flying money vaporisers

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Mary Mc's avatar

Or some local rednecks with a major hangover from the night before...with no appreciation for the noise. 🤔

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

Zelenskyy hijacked it on his way to his UN speech in ny. He’s going to fly it home after he bombs Moscow and blames Trump.

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Raphael's avatar

Really, what, some hillbillies shooting between the influence of moonshine, focusing in like a Russian snipper from a mile away.

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Mary Mc's avatar

🤣🤣🙂

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Mary Mc's avatar

I wouldn't discount the hillbilly idea...during the early 70s I lived near Dobbins AFB in Marietta GA. Our apartment complex was in a flight path for the C-5s to practice "touch and go." It often rattled dishes, windows and knocked pictures off the walls, they were that low...and going slowly.

One day at a pool party someone got tired of it as they were messing with the fun. Suddenly we heard shots...some drunk fired off a couple of rounds...we laughed as he/she couldn't possibly hit it (no matter how big). That was until a few days later a news article mentioned finding an unexplained bullet hole in one of the planes. Not sure the case was ever solved bit the story quickly disappeared.

At least no one was hurt or much damage done.

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

Of course, they would disappear the story - the last idea they would want to put in people's heads - especially after Biden said you need F15s and missiles if you think you are going to overthrow his regime! Not sure what sort of calibre bullets or gun it would take, but very plausible to hit an F-35 that was hovering or flying slow by a decent marksman and the plane would have sensitive sensors that would react - even if nothing serious was hit...

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FourWinds's avatar

I trust all hillbillies way more than anyone in our government.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Considering the cost of that piece of flying equipment, it sounds like it is highly vulnerable.

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Michael Framson's avatar

Isn't some of coding from Dominion?

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Politico Phil's avatar

Well, that would make me wonder about the cyber security of that program.

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

No doubt covered in sensors and filled with delicate electronics... Any high calibre bullet could do alot of damage...

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Harold Saive's avatar

The F-35 Mystery reminds me of the disappearing Boeing 777 (Flt 370) that was reincarnated as (MH17) as a False Flag to blame Russia for the shoot-down of a passenger jet. - https://tinyurl.com/yw5fv3eb

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Fla Mom's avatar

Jeff, outside of anything to do with DeSantis, and unrelated to any camps, though, doesn't the law currently say that we can, individually, be subject to forced quarantine and treatment?

That might have sounded rational and 'safe' long go, but not so much recently, and the WHO is currently putting in place, or trying to, a mechanism for telling countries what they must and must not do in a health 'emergency.' Countries that do not take action by the deadline are going to be assumed to be included. James Roguskie's Substack is probably the main source of information on this WHO action.

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Mark St's avatar

I haven't read the law in a few months, but if memory serves, what you are talking about is a last resort. An option after multiple others have been tried, not the first bullet in the chamber, so to speak.

And it must be for a disease that is gravely life threatening and highly contagious.

In other words, the measure is highly unlikely to be implemented, but is there for a rational reason.

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

And just who do you think is going to define those terms why the shit hits the fan? You or Bill gates?

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CStone's avatar

Exactly. ‘Rational reason’, my ass

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Mark St's avatar

It's written in the law.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

And we were told month after month that covid19 was a "deadly virus". Even though the CDC showed a 99.997% recovery rate. If you were half way healthy, most had no issues.

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MaryAnn's avatar

“Rational” being the key word.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I don't trust anyone in authority anymore, after learning the vast amount I have learned about the corruption in my former fields of medicine and public health. They lie. They did lie. They will lie. It's about control (for others, not for themselves). Is there a risk from some hypothetical situation where we'd wish the government had that power, because instead of seeking care a person or persons would run around while deathly ill trying to infect others? Maybe, but it's a lot less risk than the risk to liberty we've already *experienced* from our own d****d government.

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

Also, remember the gay train conductor who might have thought he was getting shot at and panicked - derailing an Amtrak in Philadelphia that killed or injured a number of people? It's not what Wikipedia has but I remember that being one of the theories as to why he was going at a high-speed around a curve - something distracted him and/or he panicked. He did not remember anything from the crash which is understandable PLUS IF they figured out someone was shooting at the train, they might want to cover it up to discourage copycats... (plus the fact that he was a diversity hire): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Philadelphia_train_derailment#Investigation_and_NTSB_findings

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JP Spatzier's avatar

Well the law I read is still absolutely insane.. sorry ..

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STH's avatar

Why is Sansone doing this?

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JP Spatzier's avatar

Why did 10 counties so

Far in Florida declare themselves Freedom Counties & ban all mRNA vaccines & interference by the UN & WHO... because the Governor has NOT

That is the question you should be asking.

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CStone's avatar

Are you just hear to badmouth DeSantis?

Jeff has already debunked what you posted about the law that you misinterpreted, so now you’re trying another angle. What are you up to? I’m very curious.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Julie is asking the RIGHT questions...................

"...They lied. The lied like rugs, or dogs, or robotic reptilian lying machines. And not just a little. Who knows how many people would have hesitated to take the shots if government officials and pharma-adjacent doctors had told the truth, which is that the pseudouridine-stabilized mRNA does not quickly dissolve but goes everywhere..."

"...Who knows how many people would have hesitated to take the shots if..."

We are WAAAY beyond "Who knows...if..."! There is no more IF. Let me be clear. There is every kind of bloody HARD EVIDENCE piled mountain high all around us. Yet the FL Dept of Health advisory that came out said they do not recommend the shot for anyone below the age of 65. I'm sorry but that is STILL an endorsement of the bio-weapon shot for those over 65. Am I wrong? DeSantis and Ladapo know - they know beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the shot is a murder weapon. But they ADVISE that no one below 65 take the shot. Advise?! Seriously? To allow this bio-weapon for profit to LEGALLY remain on the market for idiot parents to inject into their children or for cognitively challenged adults to voluntarily submit to is tantamount to murder because the Governor, the AG and the Surgeon General have a DUTY under their oath of office to protect the citizens of this state from what they KNOW is a murder for profit conspiracy!

I am over this cowardly bullshit inaction. And don't give me the excuse of what is politically feasible. Literally multiple millions of Americans are being killed and disabled while our politicians and law enforcement equivocate about risking their political careers by doing their f****** JOB because they are afraid of BigPharm and the RINOs behind them. This is THE biggest war America has ever been in and the number of Americans dead for the last 3 years exceeds the total of all American deaths in every war since the American Revolution combined. Why is the bio-weapon not criminalized? What is the excuse?

Everything they have done, including this latest advisory, amounts to nothing because all they do is close the barn door after the horses have gotten out and now the barn is on fire while they stand there and watch. It's all political theater. The bio-weapon genocide is a fait accompli. It's done. All because of their culpability. Tell me I'm wrong.

We are in a war and it is time for DeSantis and those who were elected by us to act like actual American patriots and stand in the gap and defend the people they represent! And if that means committing "political suicide" then they need to stand in the gap and take the bullet! THAT is their job before God and the Constitution.

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CStone's avatar

I was not talking about the shot.

I was talking about the camps.

Julie keeps asking Jeff about that and he even posted again, in the comments, that he had already debunked the camps law.

I have to trust Jeff on this, he is the Lawyer, and honestly I cannot get through the mire and muck of legalese.

So.

Have you read it?

Does it endorse concentration-like camps?

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Politico Phil's avatar

After I commented, I saw the comments about the camps and realized my comment could be confusing. I was responding to her question (immediately preceding your reply) about the shot being banned in 10 counties and that DeSantis hasn't banned the shot. That is the right question.

I did originally read the law and it is mucky. I took Jeff's take on it and didn't look at it again. I am much more concerned about the abdication of responsibility I described above. I do not believe that even people on this forum fully appreciate the depth of this genocide or the sinister nature of the design of the bio-weapon. And we won't until the weapon is confiscated and a full forensic analysis performed on its contents. But no one seems to really want to know what is in the shot. All we are doing politically is whistling past the graveyard. We have been desensitized to mass death/murder.

Everyone is discussing all the peripheral issues but no one is willing to touch the third rail of criminal accountability. The only one that is even attempting to do this is Ken Paxton, the AG of Texas and you saw how he was immediately attacked. But he is not backing down. And the only ones looking into the contents of the shot are people like Dr. David Martin and Dr. Ana Mihalcea. And they are being ignored as they have no authority to hold any one accountable. If people like DeSantis do not rise to the challenge, we are not going to win this war. I thought DeSantis had a stiffer backbone that that but now I'm beginning to think he is just part of the theater. This has to end here or they will simply roll out the next iteration of their depopulation genocide.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

YES. They can take you away from your home on the suspicion of being in range of an infected person. READ it. There’s not much legalize. That’s the problem. No one thinks for themselves or reads to learn anymore.

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Laura Hayes's avatar

It is not just the “Covid” injections that must be stopped, it is ALL vaccines. For those not yet understanding this fact, please read or watch my presentation from 2018:

https://www.ageofautism.com/2018/11/why-is-this-legal-presentation-on-vaccines-by-laura-hayes.html

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JP Spatzier's avatar

I’m sorry .. he didn’t debunk anything. He confirmed for us the law in fact does exist as written. That is unconstitutional to me … GP read it. I had no idea we had that law before DeSantis. Nothing he did made it any better. I lived a nightmare through Covid & I refuse to support anyone who has any ideas of repeating that Crap EVER AGAIN., republicans/ Democrats/independents.

All unconstitutional

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CStone's avatar

Interesting.

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Jan Dickmeyer's avatar

Yes you did. I went back to reread it. Thanks.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

Did you go read the LAW .. not his substack on the law

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Jan Dickmeyer's avatar

Yes as a matter of fact I did. And I don’t disagree that it is ambiguous.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

as far as I could read, but I am not a lawyer, that law is still in vogue. Jeff can probably find out

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CStone's avatar

Sigh. He already has. He read it and Spatzier seems to not want to let it go.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

No. I am

NOT letting this GO … ever. This is #1 most important issue. It never should have been written in the first place.

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Larry Arnold's avatar

I hope it wasn't my post. I posted an update on Sansone's group's submission to the Tennesse legislature and AG on the dangers of the jab and requesting that they take action against their continued existence. If there was something about the camps and forced vaccination in the material, I missed it and apologize. You are correct that issue has been debunked for a couple of years now.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

We have different beliefs on what kind of control a Government should have & what our constitution actually entails.

If you endorse that law the way it’s written.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

It looks like Chapter 381 of Title XXIX Subsection 00315 got passed in 2017, which is before Governor DeSantis. Is that the correct understanding of this Florida statute? DeSantis may had nothing to do with it, but it is still horrific, and IMO, has got to go...

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FourWinds's avatar

Wow, those people will try anything to get Governor DeSantis, won't they? I remember reading your stack in April about this but thank you for the reminder.

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Harold Saive's avatar

Thanks for your attempted "CPR' on that issue.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I'm back on Twitter and I got into a p*ssing back-and-forth with a retired ObGyn who wrote that the military were not forced to take the covid shots, and that the shots were safe for pregnant women.

Geez...how many people did she harm by giving that advice?

When I forwarded her insane post to a couple of doctors in the freedom health movement, she blocked me.

Was it something I said?

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Annie's avatar

Reading about mrna in breast milk is disgusting. I remember my obgyn saying no to aspirin, wine etc. He said to err on the side of safety and caution. Now it's anything goes. Here's some mrna. It's good for you. Immunity. Blah blah blah blah. So evil. Doctors recommending it are right up there with fauci and all the drug pushers. Nasty.

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TT's avatar

They even tell pregnant women no tuna or handling cat litter. But unsafe and ineffective experimental injection, SHUT UP, TAKE IT AND DON’T ASK QUESTIONS, SCIENCE DENIER!

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

And no soft cheeses.

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RunningLogic's avatar

No deli meat, no sushi, no smoked salmon… but anything the medical establishment wants to sell you is a ok 🙄 (including epidurals and pitocin, which I don’t believe are nearly as benign as they keep trying to pretend they are).

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

I wore my Novax Djokovic T yesterday but nobody reacted. I think they just turn a blind eye. In the meantime mom (who is dementing) and dad, who is her caregiver, got a sixth shot. I could not believe my ears. And he denied having been sick twice with some 5 week during 'cold' and then a tummyflu - he only remembered the last and then called me a liar and phantast. And all the stuff they tell us here is quack of course.. Europe seems to be in the Middle Ages again.

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Jen's avatar

I really like that. And you know, you inspire others to be brave by wearing that. It's comforting to see.

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AJ's avatar

Or lunch meat but pharma money paid to ACOG (American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology evidently is worth more than their patients' lives.

They literally were instructed to bully their patients every. single visit, until they would submit.

And some results(unfollowed up of course) from the front line

https://dee746.substack.com/p/explosion-of-postpartum-hypertension

and more from the same nurse

https://dee746.substack.com/p/explosion-of-postpartum-hypertension

and more on that high BP in pregnancy and mysteriously showing up post partum.

https://dee746.substack.com/p/staying-alive-moms-on-labetalol

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Fred's avatar

$11.8M is the latest figure that NIH paid to ACOG. That’s the admitted figure, and it could be wrong.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

we learned in school that pregnant and lactating women should not take any meds at all. Nothing. You have a good OB hold on to that one. He He or she is probably one that also disadvizes the 100 shots for kids.

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Jen's avatar

Agree completely. I am having a very hard time with doctors now...any one of them who recommends those shots loses my respect immediately. They are financially compromised.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

My elderly mom’s pulmonologist told her that he’s not taking the new jab and told his family not to. Ft Myers Florida. He did say it won’t do harm but doesn’t do any good. He was half right.

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King Cavalier II's avatar

Won’t do harm? My mom & her bestie got 4th boosters at assisted living in CA. Both gone to strokes in 3weeks.

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

So very sorry. My mom went down to cognitive impairment in isolation during 2020, got kicked out of a facility she was moved to for "wandering," then went to a religiously run facility, where everyone, in those days, was so happy about the vaccines, ended up in the ER with off the charts creatinine,

but they saved her, and she got a few more months with caretakers who believed even the last days matter for God's children. With what we know now about the horrors of run death is near and midlazopam and murder of the elderly, so many having suffered that, I think she was lucky. It is infuriating that they are still pushing the death shot on the elderly. Bastards.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I know. He saw my facial expression. My mom is so very brainwashed and put insurance dictated doctors on a pedestal, I didn’t argue.

She still calls my God sent integrative medicine doctor a quack. I’d probably be dead already without his help.( CIRS & autoimmune issues, mold biotoxin , etc)

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Lorita's avatar

I hope the good integrative and naturpathic docs spread in practice and influence. I have one too: I told him my concerns and he promised not to prescribe poison and will do his best to keep me out of the hospital. After three years he's done good to me and more. They are God sent.

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Jen's avatar

Yikes, I've got a working hypothesis that the more you get the worse off you are. I don't know if it's cumulative or what but it sure looks like the folks who keep getting more of these things are doing awful (if they're even still here).

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

She denies her injuries, says it’s old age. Her family lived well into their 90’s independently. She has shortened her life span, she’s 81. Hopefully she’ll resist the urge to get the new one.

I sent her the surgeon general florida report on it and she said the surgeon general is a crazy trump supporter. Sigh.

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Fred's avatar

Or increases the chance of a “hot lot?” IDK; either possible. Remember the claim that it was best to get both jabs in the same arm? Is it because a lymphatic system (that has already been challenged) can more easily be overcome? I smell rats everywhere.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

it sure is poison. my dad used to be very bright. Of course, it could be mom was his brightness, now that she is dementing, it seems he is a lost cause.

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Susan Clack's avatar

💔💔💔😥😥😥

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

a friend's cardiologist told her if she took the jabs she would die. He did not take them either, and several of his colleagues same, but that was all hush hush, it was not to be known. I guess they gave each other fake jab proof?

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

Probably! Glad they shared with her.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

That was probably the most comfortable he felt. “I can’t speak against but at least I won’t encourage. Maybe if they know what I will do they won’t do it. “

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Annie's avatar

Sounds like CYA to me. Won't do harm but not any good. Why are they recommending it? 🤔 Ya know. Still safe but not really effective. Right. 😳

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I had a good talk with his assistant. She was using an old fashioned blood pressure cuff. We agreed that the electronic thermometer & np aren’t accurate. She said during Covid she would ask What’s your favorite radio station & the temperature would often correspond. I felt like they were awake but had to cover their arses , very frustrating.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

*B p , not np

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STH's avatar

We all should call or email our doctors and enquire if they are still recommending these clot shots. If they say yes, FIRE THEM on the spot. I’ve fired two.

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Laura Kasner's avatar

I mailed a letter to my old PCP practice (I fired them) telling them if they continue to give the shots they could be named in future lawsuits.

I also sent it to a bunch of hospitals systems in my area - Cleveland Clinic was one of them

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Annie's avatar

Awesome 👍👏

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

👍🏼💗Laura Kasner 👏🏻👏🏻

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

I am still looking for the Dr who told a former friend the pandemic was greatly overblown. The drs office where he was, dos not have him listed anymore. God knows where he went.

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

I'm also having a hard time with doctors/hospitals now, even in my conservative area. Just got a new PC doctor because the former one retired. The former was shocked when I refused the jab, but didn't insist on it. She was retired military, so used to taking orders without question. She took the first one herself. I hope she had the benign batch because she was a nice lady and maybe was too trusting of the CDC. We'll see what happens with the new one. I sense she may think more like us C & C soldiers.

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Kiara Sands's avatar

Believe it or not, my doctor was completely changed by this whole thing. She went from a person who had worked for Fauci for six years wrote vaccine inserts to completely against all vaccines. She has stated that after looking at all the evidence they have lied to and brainwash doctors and medical school.

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Jen's avatar

She sounds great! Is she looking for new patients?

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Annie's avatar

You have to assume that everything that has gone before is lies until proven otherwise. It is mind blowing 🤯 All studies, what's good or bad for you etc. Just say no. You will have a better chance.

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Kim D's avatar

Whenever I see a little baby I say a silent prayer that they are NOT vaccinated and their parents are making informed decisions for their health care.

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Amy C.'s avatar

I am a first time grandmother - and my son chose to not vaccinate themselves (covid) and not to vaccinate their baby with any shots. I was skeptical at first, but now I am overjoyed. He is the happiest baby! My friend's new grandchild (same age) has never ever smiled at age of 9 months. My heart breaks for them....

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GG's avatar

I have been anti-vax before it was popular because my child died from a DPT shot in the 90s. When my first grandchild was born, I implored her parents not to vaccinate her. They thought I was nuts, but I was so adamant about it, they decided to vaccinate her on a much slower schedule than what the CDC recommends. They've had four more babies since then (with a fifth due next week) and they have refused to vaccinate them. Covid converted them to my way of thinking.

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Monterey's avatar

GG, I am one of those whose eyes got opened during covid, about the covid shot and all vaccines in general. I am now in awe of those mothers like you who have known for a long time what many of us have just discovered in the last couple years, and I am so sorry that you have had to carry this burden alone in trying to tell others what you knew and experienced, while probably feeling like you were shouting into the wind.

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CMCM's avatar

I'm so sorry about your child, GG. How devastating that was for you. In 1984 a good friend's 8 month old got a DPT and within a couple of days, that beautiful child was having multiple daily seizures and she ended up severely brain damaged. That child has lived the last 40 years in a wheelchair, unable to talk or do anything for herself, needing 24/7 care. My son was born in early 1986, and memory of my friend's child gave me a deep fear of vaccines. I never got the DPT for my son, although when he was older he did get a few other ones. Had I known how dangerous they all can be, I never would have let him get even one.

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GG's avatar

I had no idea how dangerous they were until I ran smack-dab into my son's death. It was distressing to me that my grandchild was going to be poisoned, even with our family history. Covid is what turned all of that around.

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Mary H.'s avatar

I am so sorry for your loss . My oldest had a very serious reaction to the same shot. ALL vaccines are dangerous.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

My condolences GG. If it's any consolation, your child has been in the care of Jesus and not missing a thing on earth!

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Monterey's avatar

Go to Rumble or Bitchute and look for the videos on what Dr Paul Thomas has to say about childhood vaccines. You will be even happier about your son's decision than you are now.

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Annie's avatar

Thank God 🥰 Sorry for the other poor child.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

We recently (Sunday) became godparents to a precious little boy at our CMRI parish. He was born Thursday.

Really need to have a serious talk with his parents.

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Laura Kasner's avatar

Fred - perhaps give them some books?

Turtles All the Way Down

And a new one just put out by Dr. Brian Hooker and Bobby Kennedy. Vaxed vs. unvaxxed.

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Timbo Slice's avatar

...and if they are or their Mommas are, that the vax poison is ejected into their diapers. I have two grandkids that I try to give to God regarding this, daily.

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AJF's avatar

Me too

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Johnny-O's avatar

I honestly think most of the doctors pushing it think they are doing the right thing. Fauci knows exactly the evil he is engaged in. There is a difference in my opinion. The siloed thinking in the industrialized healthcare industry is frightening.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

I hear ya, but somehow us knuckleheads have figured it out, but not practicing doctors? I think they're missing courage more than info.

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Jen's avatar

Exactly, and you know they're seeing the injuries. If they're not then they're just ignoring them willfully.

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NoWay's avatar

They have to be seeing them. Quick story, my kid’s doc, who we have had since the mid 2000’s and has done every school physical…..this year ‘heard’ an irregularity in the kid’s heartbeat. Wanted to do an ekg, then still wanted that read by the cardiologist. I knew why, and she knew I knew she knew lol! Everything was fine, and I thanked her profusely for checking. I overheard her nurse say something about it was the fifth ekg that day. So she checked everyone is my theory.

So, the doc’s know and I hope they find the courage to speak up. Soon.

Yes, kid got the initial 2 shots which I will regret forever. I pray every day we got a degraded batch.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

The truth is very slowly dribbling out.

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STH's avatar

You can look up the batch number you know?

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RunningLogic's avatar

It’s ridiculous that these supposed “experts” have less discernment than we laypeople do 🙄

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Jen's avatar

I am truly thinking that book smarts and street smarts are inversely related at this point. And as such, we need to stop following the book smarts bunch because they have no common sense and are leading us directly into madness. It's time for the street smarts (common sense) folks to take the reins back.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Often but not always. Luckily there are some exceptions.

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Jan Dickmeyer's avatar

I do not think that anymore. I think they know they don’t get incentives if they don’t push it. And they’re a sorry captured bunch of elite wannabes. What if your 50 year old son had a septic infection that crossed the blood brain barrier causing stoke.. recovered finally from two brain surgeries and weeks of rehab. .. was then encouraged by his cardiologist to get all recommended jabs. What if???

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AngelaK's avatar

My husband had a certain brain surgery in October 2020. When the vaxx came out the hospital offered him the priveledge of first dibs. I had read about the mrna crossing the blood brain barrier so knew it was a no no (besides all our other reservations)

Nevertheless, at his follow up after the vaccine offer phone call, he asked his surgeon. After knowing what we did, we really expected him to say NOT to take it. Instead he said that getting covid would be a bad case scenario for him, so he SHOULD take it. (that went in one ear and out the other, as we have come to regard most suggestions by our doctors these days)...

I wonder if the surgeon even knew about the blood brain barrier crossing. I absolutely shudder when I think how low information doctors are

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Jan Dickmeyer's avatar

Agree..they truly don’t think outside of the allopathic government run box they are caged in. We are the zoo they experiment on. Just saw a dermatologist and dared to ask about side effects . I was told with a glare and stare down that ‘ all drugs have potentially bad side effects.’ There you have it!

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Testament to how well-propagandized our major media is. Completely controlled by our intel communities. (Can’t believe I’m typing this, but it is.)

If all you ever hear is mainstream media, OF COURSE you’re gonna accept what you’ve been carefully taught.

The docs are no different. They’ve literally heard nothing outside the approved “truth.”

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Yes ...a thousand times yes

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Wolfhound77's avatar

People spend more time researching what big screen TV to buy. It's pathetic.

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Johnny-O's avatar

I think it is complicated. These people are blindly trusting the helms of our health agencies. Furthermore, it became politicized. They don't even have to be curious because they know they are right. Those anti science trump dimwits are most certainly wrong! All of us here know people with glaring injuries from jabs but they don't connect the dots. The human mind is powerful, which is both a blessing and a curse

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Barbara Moser's avatar

The doctors were getting financial incentives for every shot that they gave. Check out Anthem insurance - someone posted back a few months ago the document that indicated how much they gave to doctors for each shot. Very sad.

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MayBella82's avatar

I don’t believe any of the doctors honesty believed 100%. I believe they cared about their own self 100%. They made it through at least 10 years of college and not critical thinking?

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RunningLogic's avatar

To be fair, critical thinking is not really what’s needed to succeed in medicine for the most part 😕

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Johnny-O's avatar

Exactly

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Fla Mom's avatar

At the beginning, I agree, but it's been too long now. Anyone with any scientific skepticism, any curiosity, should know by now.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Yes, and sadly there aren't many of them in medicine

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Tim R's avatar

Nope! The fog of war has cleared. Those we have given the benefit of a doubt the last 3 years should know better by now. All med professionals who still push this should be arrested, tried and summarily executed for murder and crimes against humanity. Is there no cost to mass murder anymore?

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Johnny-O's avatar

I think people are forgetting how completely brainwashed and hypnotized people are. For Christ sake their are still people with masks strapped to their faces getting jabbed up. Our healthcare people aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree. How many people do you know still can't connect the dots?

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GG's avatar

When I was pregnant with my last child, I took a puff on a cigarette and had a sip of my husband's Guiness. You would have thought I attempted to murder the child in my womb! My midwife told me I had done the equivalent of holding my hand over my child's mouth and nose for five minutes, not to mention the fact that I had ingested alcohol, which she suggested that since it was Guiness, maybe my body was craving grains or some such nonsense. So they were Nazis about what you put in your body before COVID and they're Nazis about what you put in your body after COVID. The end result is that they're not to be trusted under any circumstances.

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daverkb's avatar

One of my prime preoccupations is the Alpha to Omega of who knows what and to what degree within this box we call a political system. I spend a lot of time trying to figure out who are the Apex Rulers lurking behind the Fronters (front organizations like the UN, WEF, think tanks, government department and agencies, and the like). As well, this also encompasses an examination of the leadership of countries around the world. This, to say the least, is very complex task and is a work in progress. Since everything runs by deception, it's very difficult to ferret things out. One continually revises as new evidences seen materializes.

Safe to say, we in the West, the United States, have been in a process of Socialization for many, many years. The United States has been a Fascist country by growing degrees since the advent of the 20th century. But also, since the 1960's and 1970's other schools of Marxism have been blended into the political mix. For example, all Identity Politic is Maoism. This really got started in the 1970's. But the time of 911 and the Patriot Act-like enactments, 'they' have been going full Commie Build Back Better for broke.

In short, we have been schooled to be a hybridize Marxist people through a continual deployment of Word Magic (never calling something what is really is).

So, given all this, most people have been 'educated' to be a bunch of NAZI but with a twist. And is ... blended into all the other schools of Marxism. Given the indoctrination, what we see is a procession of the blind leading the blind. Nobody knows what they are saying with the context of any proper designation. Words spew out of peoples mouths, but they know not what they say. And it is very hard to speak through all the smoke, mirrors and outright language of obfuscation.

At any rate, I always enjoy your insightful comments ... and appreciate your presence here.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Truly Annie.

Please, someone, SHOW US THE LOGIC !

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RunningLogic's avatar

They can’t because there is none!

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OnTheJump's avatar

Which is why, when asked.......🦗🦗🦗

(crickets,lol)

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Sam's avatar

Remember the Pfizer trial told men that they shouldn’t have sex with women for a certain amount of time because the poison might spread to them. But no warning given to women not to breast feed their babies for the same amount of time? That’s just downright evil!

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MaryAnn's avatar

So the guys could deseminate the poison through sex but keeping it to themselves was ok? And they still sat for the jab trial? Yikes!

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Annie's avatar

Agree

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Amanita's avatar

And how are you supposed to get the tainted breast milk out of your breasts that you have been producing post vaccination? Pump it out? How can we ever trust these murderous doctors ever again? It is a real problem.

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N Springer's avatar

I’m guessing as long as the modRNA hasn’t degraded and the body is still making spike protein it’ll be in the breast milk. And of course they don’t know (because they won’t keep looking) how long the modRNA sticks around!

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Annie's avatar

Good questions. Those poor infants.

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cat's avatar

My mom smoked, drank alcohol (in moderation) and ate whatever and whenever she wanted. I realize that this is not supposed to be mentioned or discussed but there you go. Anecdotal, folks.

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Timbo Slice's avatar

Ha ha, mine too. I told her, THAT'S what's wrong with me! Joking of course. It's mind-boggling that we've morphed into this society where vax's and all drugs are just fine during pregnancy, but you damn sure better watch what you eat and drink while you're pregnant.

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RunningLogic's avatar

It’s about control.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

I was born during the Cuban Missile Crisis (1962.)

Am absolutely positive my mom continued chain-smoking her Pall Malls right there in the hospital, while contemplating our mutual nuclear annihilation.

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AngelaK's avatar

Lol my mom AND grandmother too!

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Monterey's avatar

But you can't eat soft cheeses, for goodness sakes, while you're pregnant. MRna, however, is okay.

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CMCM's avatar

When I was pregnant in 1969, doctors were very adamant about avoiding any and all substances as they would possibly affect the baby. That meant no to alcohol for sure, you were told to not take anything at all if possible, not pills of any kind unless absolutely necessary. I guess the current crop of doctors forgot all about that or perhaps never learned about it.

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CStone's avatar

Or......paid to forget it.....

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Based Florida Man's avatar

In a world where feelings and propaganda rule today's infoscape, your intervention of science and fact is not welcome.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I will keep poking them in the eye.

Told a friend of mine that this is the hill I will die on.

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Samantha Gluck's avatar

You’re my heroine of the day, Kathleen! It’s so difficult for me to continue engaging with people like that OB/GYN when they begin spouting blatant error like that.

Perhaps she is clinging to some legalistic definition of “forced,” regarding the military. I mean, they HAD to submit or quit. While that’s not holding them down and having some Uncle Fester-esque character inject them, it’s still force.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Kathleen,

I have to break it to you--Pennsylvania cheated.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

...and will continue to cheat.

I posted yesterday on this Substack that Fetterman will resign due to "health reasons" past the date that a special election needs to be called. Then Dem Governor Josh Shapiro will appoint Fetterman's wife, the former illegal alien, to fill his Senate seat.

All according to plan.

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Fred's avatar

“Wait, THAT’S Fetterman???” - me yesterday; hadn’t paid attention to him since he was undercover at Walter Reed. Figured he was dead then. Looks like we were right.

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CStone's avatar

They had him there so they could make a mask for the new Fetterdemon. The old one needed re-writing.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Kathleen, what's your opinion on whether the guy posing as Fetterman in the Senate, the one with the black mustache and ears that don't stick out, is really Fetterman or not?

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Michael Framson's avatar

Kathleen--Thank you for poking!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

When I see a Senator or Congressman post a tweet about supporting Ukraine, or other such nonsense, I fire off a Tweet telling them I didn't hear their outrage about the military being forced to take the experimental shots.

Especially since Congress was exempt from taking the shots.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Saw that sickening Shapiro face yesterday regarding letting everybody vote. Next up: 5 year olds. Yes, I have heard that take on Fetterneck and consider it most likely. The demonic grin on his wife's face is probably just anticipatory.

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Annie's avatar

Good for you. I applaud your effort. 👏👍🙂

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GreaterIsrahell's avatar

How about we take the hill instead, Kathleen?

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I wont force feed it to a person but I will die on the hill of my family not taking them.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Good for you!!!

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Dr Linda's avatar

: )

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rolandttg's avatar

Send her my comment posted a few minutes ago. If she goes, tell her I will buy her ticket to Kanada today. Our beloved former son in law was double teamed by his commanders in his office to take the jabs now or face a court martial. He was the last hold out at one of Quantico's ancillary clinics. And the bastards lied through their teeth about the Pfizer jabs being approved by the FDA because the approved Cominarty was Never and still is not available in the US. They got the same experimental jabs as everyone else.

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Thanks to posters here, I’ve been fully informed about the military’s jab insistence, not to mention it’s overall wokeness. I’ve always been pro-military. The only inkling I had previously was when a young female Naval officer, I knew, resigned bc she refused to get the jab. I don’t know why but I think I just presumed it was a one-off. Not now, thanks to the grassroots information train located right here.

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AJ's avatar

This recently published book lays it out just horrible the military was and is. Highly recommend it and to share with your elected officials.

I keep thinking I will run out of shocked faces.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/store/defending-the-constitution-behind-enemy-lines-a-story-of-hope-for-those-who-love-liberty/

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Fred's avatar

You know what happened to those who tried to do the right thing; removed from their posts. “The Navy has fired a dozen leaders but won't explain why A total of 13 commanding officers have been fired so far this year, including five in one week, the Navy said.” Read in NBC News: https://apple.news/A2s7rtAM5TUi9YqTUIt3lxA

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Fred's avatar

To resist is futile. 🤬

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Prayers...

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

😠😞 this is awful

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Fred's avatar

And the FDA just refused to authorize intranasal Epi for anaphylaxis because it hadn’t been (placebo?) tested. You cannot induce a truly life threatening emergency to study it folks. Must have something to do with “funding.”

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

My nephew submitted after being threatened with dishonorable discharge. He now has MS and has to use a cane to walk. He wanted to get 20 yrs. The Army is rifting him out on permanent disability with 18 yrs.

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Sherry's avatar

Keep poking them! I had a friend whose daughter was pregnant during the great vid scare. She had to change OBs mid pregnancy because her doc wouldn’t stop pushing the jab! When I had babies 30 years ago I wasn’t even supposed to drink coffee! Now they push experimental vaxes on these women.

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AngelaK's avatar

Daughter pregnant 2022 in a blue state. She and her husband had covid (unvaxxed) when she was 2 months pregnant. It wasnt fun but they recovered and the pregnancy was fine. During her ob/gyn visits AFTER that, her female young doctor kept asking if she wanted it and why not? At the third request to get rhe vaxx, my daughter finally let down her defensiveness and politeness(which, as a Christian, I taught her to be) and said "you know that I already had covid!"..to which the doctor responded: " oh I forgot". Oh, she and her husband were also offered the equally questionable DPT shots!! 😅

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Amy C.'s avatar

My daughter-in-law was offered the DPT while pregnant in 2022! Was told immunity would transfer to the unborn child. Thank God she knew to refuse any shot while pregnant!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

My mom took DES - drug to prevent miscarriage - while pregnant with me.

60+ years later, I am still at a greater risk for all cancers.

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CMCM's avatar

I'm in the same boat. I've worried about DES my entire life.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

And that worry never goes away.

Every time I get a mammogram, I ask myself if today is the day my luck runs out.

That's why I am outraged that any doctor would recommend the covid death shot.

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RunningLogic's avatar

😞

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

GOOD SHOW, Kathleen--keep pushing back!! Your fight is JUST and our Creator knows why we who are awake MUST keep SPEAKING THE TRUTH!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Thank you.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Thank YOU, Kathleen, for your "warrior spirit".

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

That is what 23 years in the military will do to you.

Actually, I was always a pain in the neck even when I was much, much younger.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

GOOD! Remember what our Savior said when He was on earth, "I have come NOT to bring peace--but a SWORD". FIGHT ON...the FIGHT is just and the WAR will be WON...in His timing--not ours!

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Leo's avatar

The Sword of TRUTH.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I agree wholeheartedly with the other comments, I admire your fighting spirit so much, keep up the good work you are doing!!!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Thank you.

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CStone's avatar

Keep on being that pain in their neck AND in their arses!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Being retired gives me a great deal of time to fight the good fight.

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Jan Dickmeyer's avatar

Bravo Kathleen … Big Thanks for your goodness.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Good for you! Thank you for continuing the fight. Blocking someone has become the equivalent of storming out and slamming the door. Petulant childish behavior. Send her name; we can all play

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

@KellyGr73198939

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Deb S's avatar

I’m continually amazed by the doctors who have blindly trusted “The Science”. It’s made me realize that many of them are very incurious people - which is really astounding to me! I have a good friend who is a neurosurgeon who was initially thrilled with the jabs. He and I had many conversations in which I shared my concerns, and LOTS of data. He started questioning things and I don’t think he will ever blindly trust again. But other doctor friends don’t really want to know. I think that they simply don’t want to admit they were hoodwinked, and they don’t want to consider the repercussions. One doctor friend’s husband is prepping for open heart surgery now. He is a massively fit 55-ish man who has never had any health issues.

What makes me the craziest is the fact that I (and many of you) have taken large amounts of time to read studies, analyze data trends, etc., but most medical professionals can’t seem to be bothered!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I have asked some of my medical providers at the VA if they think covid was a bioweapon, or if they read Bobby Kennedy's book on Fauci.

Eyes glaze over and it is evident they are disinterested.

I even had one who dissed the ivermectin I ordered from India...yet, the VA will send me medications that are made in Israel, India, or communist China.

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CMCM's avatar

I learned how modestly informed doctors are when I started researching my son's medical condition when he was in his early teens. He has hyperhidrosis, which is not an uncommon or unusual condition. My son's hands were often dripping wet, and this was humiliating for him in school and kids made fun of him about it. I researched like mad and found a somewhat simple surgical procedure that stopped the hands from sweating like that. Only done by specialized doctors and not covered by insurance, of course. My son's doctor, who previously had no real knowledge other than the briefly dispensed bit of information handed out in medical school, could only offer the partial solution of botox shots in the hands as a temporary control. However, to the doctor's credit, when I told him about what I had learned and about the surgical procedure I discovered in my research, he very quickly said "Well, you know far more about all this than I do." At least he admitted it!

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OnTheJump's avatar

Nope - something(s) SHE said. Some need only open their mouths to prove themselves a fool.

Let's hope one day soon, more people see it all more clearly....

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I was prepared to argue with her all night mainly because there were other Twitter users seeing the back-and-forth.

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Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

If it makes you feel any better, some of those twitter users are actually bots.

The "likes" I get from twitter interactions are usually confined to very attractive women who want to date me so much they left their website link in their profile.

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CStone's avatar

😂

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Truth, sometimes it is not the target person but those other listening

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devoalan's avatar

I keep sharing these on farcebook, and so far I have very few comments or responses. Me thinks anything you post from here gets shadowbsnned. Guessing.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Interesting you mention that, devo - I just the other day posted to FB the 17-18 minute Dr Peter McCullough speech posted by Jeff on Saturday, from the European parliament.

I received, the next day, notification that my "post has been removed / community guidelines", blah blah blah - something about "misleading content"..... and I, too, post this type of material often - and over the past 6 months have has a SMALL handful of "likes" attached.

I always try to find an "original source" to post .... have asked some "friends", they say they 'see' the posts, but prefer to remain 'apolitical', I suppose, explains it well enough.

Anyway - Until they "ban" me, the heck with it, I'm going for it.

...... if just one or two people might read the material and do an "about face', it's worth it, I feel.

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Fred's avatar

Same with Next Door. If they don’t remove it, it’s so buried that no one ever sees it.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Visibility filtering is absolutely happening. Twitter claims they will do it as well - another farce that people believe elon is restoring free speech...

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Kim D's avatar

Yes, and You-Tube too, as well as every other social media outlet.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Yep. Lol, get no "likes" to comments posted at YouTube.

......feel the "love" ?

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I’m very shadowbanned there

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Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

We're science denialists, and merely talking to us gives credence to our opinions.

Which is odd because I believe in free speech because I find that ridiculous opinions not only should be heard..but questioned and challenged.

What are they so afraid of?

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

They are afraid that they cannot control us.

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Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

Just my opinion here. Most of sane among us are fairly compliant because this is a feature and not a bug of civilized society. If you spend any time around the mentally ill at all, you will find they are not easily controlled. It's not because they can't be steered at times, it's that they really don't have the capacity to control themselves.

Ask someone why they have to repeat to you thirteen times their nephew is picking them up for church on Sunday or try to explain to them why they can't get the game on their Fire TV and see how well any of that goes over.

Sane people want to be left alone. So they do things which do not call attention to themselves. This is one of the motivations for conformity. This works fine, if the societal rules, regs, and social contracts make sense.

But what happens when they don't make sense? What happens if the rules in fact, are insane? Then as sane people we have the responsibility to push back against it. The Bud Light response is a great macro response to this. The Canadian Truckers also is a good example. We have to become unmanageable for the good of society as well as our sanity.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

This whole covid thing was the most effective military psychological operations ever.

Studied for years. The DoD was counting on compliance.

After all, no one wants to kill grandma.

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Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

Yes, and, no one wants to appear abnormal.

Go to any large gathering and you will notice people will comply with the group. I grew up catholic, so I learned the rituals associated with a mass from sitting, to standing, reciting, and kneeling. In case you were clueless, they included a missalette to guide you on proper etiquette during the mass.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

8 years of Catholic school here.

Rulers for whacking misbehaving students prevailed.

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AngelaK's avatar

Nothing wrong with that. I am Orthodox. I love the rituals.

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CStone's avatar

“When the righteous thrive, people rejoice. When the wicked rule, people groan.”

‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭29‬:‭2‬ ‭

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CMCM's avatar

All this discussion reminded me of an American friend who was married to a German. She talked about how much she hated living in Germany because of how obedient to rules they tended to be. One example she gave was when she was out very late one night, walking along a street in her town. The traffic light to cross was red, there were no cars anywhere in sight, yet a little group of Germans stood there patiently waiting for the light to change to green. My American friend with her typical American attitude went ahead and crossed on red, and the Germans watched her with obvious disapproval for "breaking the rules." She always talked about how much group pressure there was in Germany to follow rules.

I can sure see how that must have played out during covid theater.

Addendum: My friend eventually divorced her German husband as it just didn't work out (it lasted for 3 children and about 20 years). He was too demanding that she do everything "his way", apparently.

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Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

In as much as I like this anecdote, the state is very much alive and well here in America. I imagine we may have more of a tendency to break the rules, but sadly, they are still rules.

I've had two occasions I have been pulled over for not following the rules. Once was 3am when I was at a five way light. The light was red, and after determining no one was also there or coming at the crossing...i made a left and was nabbed. I didn't talk back to the officer...

Second time was one night at a railroad stop in my small town. There was a train stopped nearby and the railroad arm was down. I waited for ten minutes. In that time, I even turned off my car, rolled down the window, got out of my car. And the only train that was there was the one stopped.

I went back to my car, and around the railroad arm, and was cited by a policeman that had been watching me the whole time. I wish for these two officers that if there was justice, someone would follow them around 24/7 and cite them for any breach of the rules. If these rules were truly meant for our protection and not to siphon money from us, shouldn't there be some flexibility?

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Same thing happened to me when I was in Berlin.

Started to cross before the sign changed and got massive stink eye.

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RunningLogic's avatar

They are afraid someone might hear us and decide our arguments are more convincing than theirs!

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Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

I think they actually know our arguments are convincing, that's why they are like Billy Crystal in "the Princess Bride" running around with fingers in their ears yelling "I'm not listening! Blocked!"

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RunningLogic's avatar

🎯🎯🎯

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RunningLogic's avatar

And I love that analogy 😆😁

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Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

Thanks, movie metaphors are my bread and butter.

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CMCM's avatar

For one thing, they know they simply cannot justify their own positions. Therefore, there can be no debate because they would reveal their inability to back up anything they claim. The king would have no clothes.

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Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

Most of what they have...after the thin veneer of science is addressed, is moral platitudes and ad hominem attacks.

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Sarah Bee's avatar

Yes, the military was! And yes , we do remember what was regarded as totally safe for pregnant women !

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Doctors learned nothing from giving pregnant women Thalidomide and DES and the resulting severe birth defects and infertility.

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Raptor's avatar

My niece who is in the military miscarried. Yes, she is young, fit and fertile so it was probably one of those three things, but I am one of the kooks who think it might be the experimental jab.

How many military personnel have miscarried we may never know. Many don't report it. WHY on earth would they?

Keep punching KJ

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Prayers for your niece...

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JP Spatzier's avatar

I keep buying & giving books to my GP .. & other Drs I visit

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Jay Horton's avatar

Kathleen Janoski = Rock and Roll! YEAH!

Later Jay

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Tracie's avatar

Teaching my daughter in liberal college same bulls**t...people had the choice to lose their job, school, travel. Shop...it was still their choice.😟

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RunningLogic's avatar

It’s coercion at the very least. People can’t argue it wasn’t.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I can’t find that post. She’s very brainwashed my opinion. I can’t tolerate the twit x back and forth, I appreciate that you are.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

She probably deleted it after I sent it to Naomi Wolf, Dr. Thorp, and a couple of others.

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RunningLogic's avatar

These people are so scared to stand behind their positions and defend them 🙄

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

Excellent sharing! Thanks .

I’m going to say a prayer for that brain damaged woman, perhaps you planted a seed. Ya never know!

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Kitkat's avatar

Kathleen...That quack on twitter sounds like a real peach. Kudos to you for continuing the fight!

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Raptor's avatar

She is in the military. She should know that if you mess with the bull, your gonna get the horns.

Truth is hard to deal with when you've been living on Fantasy Island.

High five.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I was a pain in the ass even when I was active duty.

Mom said my big mouth would always get me in trouble.

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Raptor's avatar

Probably kept you alive and well. No probably.

My mom said if I didn't stop being a smart mouth pain in the ass my husband would probably leave me. Turns out he likes smart mouthed PITAs.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

When I first joined the Navy, there were so few women. It was about 4% women.

Definitely a rough and tumble world.

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Raptor's avatar

Yes indeed. I had an acquaintance in the 80's who was in the first class of women graduate for the US Naval Academy. I was getting ready to graduate HS. Did I ever look up to her! Tough. My niece followed her father and went to the Citadel. You better pull on your big girl pants going there as a woman. At least that was true 15 years ago (thank you Shannon Faulkner!). Lord knows now. Women no matter which branch of service have to really be twice as mentally tough as the fellas to thrive.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I look at it as a blessing in disguise.

We were forced to be pushed to heights we never thought we could attain...until pushed.

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

When the sixth hour came, darkness fell over the whole land until the ninth hour. At the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” which is translated, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” When some of the bystanders heard it, they began saying, “Behold, He is calling for Elijah.” Someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed, and gave Him a drink, saying, “Let us see whether Elijah will come to take Him down.” And Jesus uttered a loud cry, and breathed His last. And the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. When the centurion, who was standing right in front of Him, saw the way He breathed His last, he said, “Truly this man was the Son of God!”

— Mark 15:33-39 NASB1995

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

I want to add that when the godless ideologies collide with each other as in the case of Britain’s conversion therapy conundrum, it looks a lot like these prayers are being answered:

Hold them guilty, O God;

By their own devices let them fall!

In the multitude of their transgressions thrust them out,

For they are rebellious against You.

— Psalm 5:10

The nations have sunk down in the pit which they have made;

In the net which they hid, their own foot has been caught.

— Psalm 9:15

Let the wicked fall into their own nets,

While I pass by safely.

— Psalm 141:10

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

Another obvious example is when the vaxx nazis die from the vaxx.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Thank you Janice! I was feeling guilty about feeling justified and that it was right…. but like you say, God having his hand.

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Annie's avatar

You are spot on. 💯. The evil will be dealt with along with its followers.

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Roger Beal's avatar

And sometimes that dealing-with will occur while the faithful flock is still on this side and watching.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

And many more scriptures on the evil and justice being served.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes! I agree with you on that.

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TriTorch's avatar

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son — John 3:16

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I began reading the Pentateuch in April--having decided that I really needed to see the 'whole picture', instead of the bits-and-pieces manner I had always used in my reading--it took me 5 months for these five books. Then I realized I needed to go back and read it all again (sometimes a chapter a 3rd time) before going on, although I cheated a bit because Joshua is pretty exciting--but pulled myself back. I find that a) it's all a 'really good read'--which keeps me going, and eager for more, and b) in these words I see, as never before, just how much God shows his love for his creation. And realize how much I am missing by not knowing Hebrew (e.g., the information given by the names mentioned in Genesis 5).

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Naomi Wolfe is reading through the Bible, aloud, on her substack. She is entranced with the Geneva Bible, which is the translation used by the pilgrims when they came over. Her reading is beautiful.

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daverkb's avatar

That's what I use ... and with the Geneva and Matthew Henry notes. Our forebears were amazing people, capable of real thinking. And that is why the monarches hated them, because they could think and see through the foisted deceptions.

I find that Naomi reading the Bible is amazing. And who would have thunk it?

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

I have the Geneva Bible and refer to it often comparing newer translations to see how they differ. I love it. I’ll check out Naomi Wolfe’s Substack. TY.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Thanks. For those are my forebears.

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CMCM's avatar

I have just read all three of Dennis Prager's series "The Rational Bible." He has done one on Exodus, one on Deuteronomy, and one on Genesis. I've actually read each one twice as these books are so enlightening and interesting. They are eminently readable, and it's like listening to some of his religious discussions on his radio show. I recommend them to everyone....as Prager states, they are directed at Christians, Jews, any other religions, and at non believers. His Rational Bible series is his life's work, he says. He is working on the 4th book, not sure which one it is, but I will definitely read that one too.

People are always discussing the various Bible translations, but one thing Prager really gets into (as an expert in Hebrew) is the issue of how certain words have been translated. He draws a lot of parallels to words used and what they meant 3,000 years ago in the cultures of that era. I have seen that sometimes words were translated in a way that was somewhat wrong or misleading. He has shown how the words in the Bible had to make sense at that point in time, and often it doesn't have relevance in today's world. It's not always big things, but it's interesting to know the differences.

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

This year I've been reading the Bible and journaling as I go . . . and I'm about to finish up Judges now in September. I think it's going to take longer than a year. ;) But I'm noticing things I hadn't on previous reads because journaling requires more focused processing.

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Jean Mac's avatar

We were challenged at my church to do a lightening read through in 90 days. (done in 91!) Obviously not the only way to read God’s word but it was interesting what you see when you step back rather than digging in.

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NotaBot's avatar

I recommend the Bible Recap for an easily understood (less academic) commentary as you read through the Bible cover to cover. Beginning the New Testament in Oct 💯

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Jacquie's avatar

Have you watched the series “The Chosen”? It is great at helping you see and visualize the whole picture. You can find information on it here - https://new.thechosen.tv/

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Yes, I love 'seeing' the Bible, both the places and peoples of the new testament.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

I do like the One Year Chronological Bible. Books and verses organized by when they were (most likely) written, so the historical timeline can be more easily seen.

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CStone's avatar

You are truly being used by the Most High.

I thank Him for people like you every day, as you send out His Word.

“May the Lord bless and keep you. May the Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious to you; Maynthe Lord lift up His countenance upon you, and give you peace ” ( Numbers 6:24-26 ).

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

That is one of my favorite passages. Thank you.

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Christine Zuleger's avatar

The Apostolic Blessing 🙏🏻❤️✝️

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CStone's avatar

Actually it’s the Aaronic blessing.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

This hit me in a beautiful way yesterday...

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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Samantha Gluck's avatar

Beautiful thank you.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Thank you JESUS!

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

“As I understand it, somebody with a Chinese accent called the Pentagon saying they needed the F35 login password to update the antivirus software.”

🤣🤣🤣

The affirmative action hire answered the phone, informing the caller that their pronouns are “they/them” and cataloging their litany of oppression badges before reading off the password, which the caller found difficult to decipher through their lisp.

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TriTorch's avatar

The password was, "DoNotGiveThisPasswordToAnyone". After reading it to the suspicious caller, the AA hire suspected he might have made a mistake. "Ah well", he thought before taking the rest of the week off, it's not like they can fire me. As he rode off into the sunset, a rogue f-35 flew over his head in the direction of Cuba, and was never seen or heard from again. The end.

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

😂😆😹

The only error I can see in this deadly accurate breaking-news item is your egregious mispronounings, which is a felony in Washington, D.C.

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TriTorch's avatar

Check this out Margaret, maybe you can make it go viral:

https://open.substack.com/pub/tritorch/p/obey

The trick is to half close your eyes and squint at it. Once you see it you cannot unsee it. No way this was an accident...

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KGer's avatar

I did see and now I can’t unsee!

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CMCM's avatar

Creepy and weird.

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Stariel291's avatar

Ugh. It’s everywhere.

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KBH Geronimo's avatar

OMGeee!

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Bonz's avatar

Creepy

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CStone's avatar

I had to tilt my phone to the right a little and WOW!!!

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

I can never see these things! All I get is a headache from squinting too long.

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TriTorch's avatar

Gotcha, often have the same problem. I've never once seen an image in a 'Magic Eye Poster'. Try this one, zoom out:

https://tritorch.com/degradation/OBEYSmall.png [image]

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Oh, I see it! Thank you—that helped!

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Robin Canfield's avatar

It took several try’s but I see it 😲😲😲😲😲

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Katrina the Hurricane's avatar

Nah, the password was just --> Password

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TriTorch's avatar

That capital P is stretching the complexity a bit. Let's just go with --> password

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JP Spatzier's avatar

🤣🤣

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CStone's avatar

😂😂

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

MOST LIKELY SOME HILLBILLIES SHOT IT DOWN WHILE IT WAS HOVERING - ACCORDING TO AN ANONYMOUS POST:

MILITARYsteria: Best Missing F-35 Memes (Where's Biden's F-35?)

Shot down by hillbillies? Like the room in the Pentagon the plane hit, did it also contain docs regarding $1T+ in cost overruns? Plus news you can believe and more missing F-35 memes!

https://covidsteria.substack.com/p/militarysteria-best-missing-f-35-memes

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Mary H.'s avatar

This is ALL about the demoralization of our country. Classic Marxism.

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Emumundo's avatar

Love the meme of the redneck throwing an empty beer bottle at the plane. Hilarious!

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CStone's avatar

😂😂😂

Flying over Kentucky, was it?

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

It would not be hard to do if hovering at a low altitude and someone had the right weapon e.g. any so-called assault rifle or even a high powered rifle... Would take several seconds for the pilot and software to react - long enough to be hit by multiple shots that could have caused the software to go haywire...

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Tom's avatar

I suspect that this is a narrative that the regime wants on the table . . . For future use.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Before I take this call, I would like to acknowledge that this call center was built by African slaves on the ancestral lands of the ....

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

🤣🎯

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

ROTFLMAO 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

Temple College forcing shots into ONLINE students exposes their motives. Command and Control. Even if you buy the shot safety theory, there’s no good argument to force shots into people that never even go onto campus. It seems many who implemented these policies are dying off. I hope the next generation leaders learn something.

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MakalekaAnne's avatar

EXACTLY what happened with so called “Hospitals!” Evil people are everywhere and they are paid by harming you

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

Your user name, LOL

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MakalekaAnne's avatar

🤣The world we live in is humorous 🤣

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Fran Copp's avatar

We must not forget institutions were incentivized for each shot delivered into an arm.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

And Drs were paid also by how many patients they got injected

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Annie's avatar

Good riddance to the nasty b*tch. Reap what you sow. I flat out refused to support my kids if they chose temple. Subpar school in a nasty city. Not safe all the way around. It will be interesting to see how many alumni, faculty and administration pass on in the next couple of years. No education is worth the BS they sell.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Had to go there to take Praxis test in 1999 ( returning to public school teaching)--first actual experience of Temple--wouldn't permit my daughter to go there--but many, many of our local parents happily sent their offspring to T. We live about 15 miles away.

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Elaine Seinfeld's avatar

this winter is gonna be LIT...lots of SADS

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Annie's avatar

I hope not to the young people. The administration gets what they deserve.

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Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

It is part of the DEI curriculum, wouldn't be equitable if those off campus were not subjected to the same ridiculous regulations as those on campus.

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

It’s crazy. You would think as long as everyone has the SAME OPPORTUNITY to get the shots, then that is equity, equality or whatever they want to call it.

They focus on equal outcomes. Meaning everyone wins and loses the same no matter how much skill or effort is involved.

So all their students are now equally at risk of early death and that’s ok with them.

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Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

It is insane. If any institution made this a prerequisite for enrollment, it would be a deal breaker for me. What good is a "high institution of learning" if they can't employ critical thinking?

The vaccine cannot stop infections/transmission, so why is it required? What liability does the university have should someone get sick and die with Covid? Why is it mandated? If it is to prevent severe disease, then why aren't other things mandated that also prevent severe disease?

We know one of the reasons for these university mandates though and that is big pharma has influence over the educational system.

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EJay's avatar

Can you imagine the poor in Spirit who'd fall for such nonsense?💔🥴🙏😵

I consider this even more evidence that we- our country and our species- are clearly UNDER ATTACK.

I keep getting flash-backs to Gene Wilder in Willy Wonka...where he quietly & unemotionally states "Don't. Stop." (Or something equivalent) to the wayward child falling into harm.

As an empath, this viral stupidity has exhausted me in almost every way. I'm to the point where-to save my own sanity-I say a prayer and let the weak, fragile conformists mask up and comply their way...right into the pit of dependency, despair & death. IDK if we've just reached the tipping point on flouride or 5G or mind-control...but I'm outta energy to save the stupid...may God Bless them. 🙏

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A.J.'s avatar

I'm with you that. My heart is beyond broken and disgusted on this horror show. I force myself as sincerely as possible to wish them well but silently say, "R.I.P." and sometimes,"Go forth and win your Darwin Award" when I know they are smart enough to have figured out by now it's a bioweapon.

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Truthseeker's avatar

Zalensky has now become like that person that shows up only when you know they’re gonna hit you up for money!

What a clown.

Is anyone buying this sideshow anymore?

I listened to his UN speech and he started by lecturing us all about climate change… you’d think he has bigger problems… but it exposes the utter hypocrisy of all these agendas! It’s all a money grift.

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Peter Schott's avatar

Apparently far too many of our congress-critters are still buying his act. :/

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JP Spatzier's avatar

Both sides showing their true color .. green ..$$

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Art's avatar

Its like when you are walking down the street and the same old panhandler that’s been in your face for years approach’s yet again. Cross the street.

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Ministry of Truth's avatar

"No sweetheart, I'm not buying you another tank company after you broke the last one! "

- "But Mooooooooooooooom, puuleaaahse!"

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Based Florida Man's avatar

The Temple University vaxx mandaters are dying at funerals for others that died, from the vaxx?

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

See my reply to my scripture comment. Another example…

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Tom's avatar

It's a self-licking ice cream cone of crimes against humanity.

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Annie's avatar

Like a big circle jerk.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Yup

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

Hoisted on their own petard. (Trying to wipe the smirk off my face.)

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

VA still offering covid shots to veterans.

"giving veterans one more chance to die for their country"

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Based Florida Man's avatar

The Vietcong didn't get 'em, but the CDC did.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

This continued push for veterans to get the covid shot is really distressing.

Signs are up all over the hospital and I anticipate letters in the mail and phone calls.

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Remi Steele's avatar

Already got a letter and an email encouraging me to come in and get my jabs. Not just Covid, but flu, RSV and shingles, too. Like that's gonna happen...

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Dr Linda's avatar

As glib as I am, I must say this makes me sick.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Thanks for the update.

Probably want vets to get all 4 at the same time so they can die quicker.

VA is gonna ramp this up.

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Remi Steele's avatar

And it's not just the VA. The sheep are lining up at the local pharmacies for all 4 shots, too. I foresee another huge healthcare crisis and many rising funeral services profits in the not too distant future.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Remi, TPTB must be really anxious to off you. Whatever did you do? Campaign for Trump or something?

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Remi Steele's avatar

I dunno, but I voted for Trump twice and I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express a few times.😉😜

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Roger Beal's avatar

Only twice? Piker. Come visit us here in Georgia. We'll show you how to vote for your candidate dozens of times!

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Remi Steele's avatar

Oh, and then there is that thing about surviving and drawing benefits a few too many years beyond the point a disabled vet is supppsed to live...

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AngelaK's avatar

Lol!

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Dr Linda's avatar

I can’t wait. I heed another way to vent

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

She had responded to my response to the organization Vote Vets whining about how Sen. Tuberville is holding up the promotions of 300 military promotions because the Pentagon wants to fund abortion tourism. My response to Vote Vets was asking where their outrage was when SecDef forced the military to take an experimental mRNA shot, religious exemptions were denied, and 8,000+ troops were kicked out.

She decided to butt in and write that the military wasn't forced and "they could leave," and spew that the death shots were safe for pregnant women.

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Susan Seas's avatar

Yeah, they could leave with a less than honorable discharge. My son (federal worker) boss just turned 60 retiring in 3 weeks, died while sitting in his chair. He believed he needed to protect his parents and get all offered jabs 😭 That son knows. Other son ( Military) got at least 3, he stopped telling me. Just argued about flu shot which he basically said anti-Vrs are uneducated high school dropouts. If he doesn’t figure it out soon they will give it to 4 month old granddaughter 😭 I hate the people covering the information up!!!!! I pray constantly.

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Austin the Pug-puppy's avatar

The flu v@x became mandatory for Reservists in 2002, I think. I knew someone whose CO threatened that anyone who didn't get it would be administratively discharged. They couldn't bring themselves to get it, even back then, so they went to a homeopath and got a homeopathic flu "thing" and a letter from the doctor stating he had administered the flu v@x. This worked for over14 years until he retired.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Oh geez, how awful. Prayers for you son's health.

When 8,000+ troops refused the shots, that should have sent a strong message. Those folks were not outliers or malcontents. Think about how many thousands more who did take the shots, did not want the shot, but took it anyway because they had a family to feed or were 6 months away from retirement.

And by denying religious exemptions, it is the same as denying religion and belief in God.

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Fred's avatar

Sadly, too late for them, but bombard them with articles on kids.

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CStone's avatar

Wow. We live in a sad, SADS world.

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MayBella82's avatar

Amazing how they have appt for shots but it takes three months to get an appointment to see your PCM.... at least it takes that long at the VA in Fort Walton Beach.

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rolandttg's avatar

Read "A Viet Cong Memoir', by Truong Nhu Tang. He was the highest ranking Viet Cong defector, the Minister of Finance. He was passionate about South Viet Nam, and was tortured horribly in a Saigon prison for months at one point. What was never told to us is all the Viet Cong wanted was freedom from the dictators. They were NOT communists like North Viet Nam. It was a marriage of convenience only because the US preferred to prop up ruthless dictators to rule South Viet Nam. Immediately after Saigon fell, the North kicked the Viet Cong to the curb. They imprisoned two of his brothers. He was able to get one freed. The other probably died there. A real revelation for anyone interested in the thing governments hate most, , The Truth.

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Kim D's avatar

Just like all wars it was a way for the Deep State Corporations to cash in on all the war apparatus it generates. Had JFK not been assassinated troops would have been pulled out with very different outcomes. The level of deception and corruption is beyond our imagination.

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Annie's avatar

They can go f themselves.

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Lorie's avatar

Yesterday, Chris Scott, from Mirror, Alberta, filed a class action lawsuit against the provincial government!

Chris’ story began when the Chief Medical Officer ordered him to close his restaurant in 2020. He refused, was arrested, went to trial, etc. etc.

Then came the recent pivotal Ingram case where the judge found the public health orders “were ultra vires the Public Health Act.” Huge win:

https://gwsllp.ca/2023/08/01/canadian-c0vld-l9-lawsuit-newsletter-ingram-v-alberta/

And thus, Chris was acquitted:

https://albertaprosperityproject.com/a-victory-for-freedom-chris-scott-cleared-of-pandemic-charges/

But wait, there’s more!

Chris Scott and Rebecca Ingram (the gym owner who also refused to close) have now filed a class action lawsuit representing every business owner in Alberta that was harmed by covid ridiculousness. They are seeking damages from the province of Alberta of $12 billion.

Sadly, the media have not picked up on this story, which has the potential to be the biggest class action suit in the province’s history. So there is not one link I can share with you.

If you’d like to follow this story (and watch the press release about the class action lawsuit), you can find Chris on FB at Whistle Stop Cafe.

Accountability!

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RunningLogic's avatar

That’s encouraging!!

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Neil Kellen's avatar

Let's stop accusing government agencies of not being transparent.

Instead, let's accept that our government has a fundamental characteristic named "opaque at best", more likely "highly secretive".

So, an article may include the following: "as a secretive organization, the military/DOJ/IRS/FDA/... will not release information...."

Accusations are no longer needed. It's kind of like saying "the rain is accused of being wet".

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

MOST LIKELY SOME HILLBILLIES SHOT IT DOWN WHILE IT WAS HOVERING - ACCORDING TO AN ANONYMOUS POST:

MILITARYsteria: Best Missing F-35 Memes (Where's Biden's F-35?)

Shot down by hillbillies? Like the room in the Pentagon the plane hit, did it also contain docs regarding $1T+ in cost overruns? Plus news you can believe and more missing F-35 memes!

https://covidsteria.substack.com/p/militarysteria-best-missing-f-35-memes

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OnTheJump's avatar

💥🎯

Donalds: "If we had Commander -in-Chief who knew how to lead, instead of taking naps...." , as to the Ukraine fiasco, aka " The Money Pit ", when asked about Zalensky showing up in DC, hat in hand.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Nice burn!

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OnTheJump's avatar

VERY!

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

Donalds is my new hero. Keep lobbing those truth bombs, sir.

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Vicki's avatar

Good Morning Jeff: Here is what is happening in Canada today. The Unions and Police are on Full Alert to Stop this March.

https://millionmarch4children.squarespace.com/

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Renee Morris's avatar

Good luck today! (And everyday going forward.) Hoping millions walk out of school and join together. No doubt that you all will be as successful with this inspirational and much needed March as the Canadian Truckers Freedom Convoy was instrumental in helping inspire millions globally to take a stand against the injections.

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Natalie's avatar

God bless your efforts.

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Sharon Wood's avatar

Is the gender madness intended to be a distraction from the shot catastrophes maiming & killing many while they still push the poisons to maim & kill more? Not to mention they all are distractions from the real deal, the Great Reset” happening before our eyes!

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Elaine Seinfeld's avatar

no, the gender thing is just part of the depopulation...sterilization and infertility

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Fred's avatar

Two birds ….

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rolandttg's avatar

never thought I would be ashamed at my birth country

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Vicki's avatar

I'm not ashamed but certainly mystified and disappointed that, at this point in time, our populous it not better informed. Christopher Rufo is right ( as is Jordan Peterson ) on this subject. The truth is out there and one of these days it will penetrate the brain of these holdouts. https://christopherrufo.com/p/the-cluster-b-society?r=15eyho&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Elaine Seinfeld's avatar

but the vaccinated now have GRAPHENE OXIDE/HYDROXIDE IN THE BRAIN from the shots

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Natalie's avatar

I'm one who loves Vivek! He is brilliant, articulate (e.g., doesn't say "like" all the time), and is as fearless with media as Donald Trump. He's actually better than Trump because he's more articulate. His positions on climate change, LGBT issues, the Ukraine War, and the Deep State are all great. I've been following him for two years since I heard him speak at Hillsdale. My only concern is that because of his youth, he may not have what it takes to break the Deep State.

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AngelaK's avatar

What I LOVE about him in interviews like the one posted is how incredibly fast his mind and mouth are! He shot her down! It is what is needed when debating with propaganda!!

This is a rarity in our country! He is brilliant, can retain information well, and has the fast manner of talk which is more culturally Indian and/or British. We Americans tend to be slow speakers of our rich language. .

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Fla Mom's avatar

Yes! Let's pretend that he's really a mole. He's a mole who can persuade people to right opinions in the midst of an attention-getting presidential campaign! Stop attacking people who are the best messengers of our own message! Be skeptical, as we should be about *everyone,* and if he turns out to be the opposite of what he claims, take action then. Meanwhile, use him as a 'weapon' against the other side.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes, this!!!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes, he masters the use of the language like few politicians (especially on the right) do. He’s quick on his feet and has the backup knowledge. I do like that he’s helping spread more conservative ideas.

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AngelaK's avatar

💯

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Natalie's avatar

You've nailed it!

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Sharon Wood's avatar

Don’t trust him that easily.

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Natalie's avatar

As I said, I've been following him for two years. I don't trust him implicitly, but I don't trust DeSantis or anyone else much, and I even have questions about Donald Trump, though I liked what he did during his four years. He will do what he thinks is politically expedient, like pushing the vax, and he's really kind of a loose cannon, though I'll vote for him a third time. But all this distrust of Vivek needs to be directed at everyone because once they get into office, you never know what they'll do. And about Obama: if people had been paying attention, they would have known exactly what he was all about. His associations with Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers were well known, but the mainstream media refused to talk about it, so many had no idea. But those of us paying attention knew all about him.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I share your thoughts about this.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Well, in my mind speaking at Hillsdale is a big plus.However I do not like the idea of someone so new to the USA being the president, and quite frankly, the idea of a Hindu (it's called paganism, you know) being president.

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Natalie's avatar

He's not new to the USA! He was born here! I respect your feelings about him being Hindu--I know others who feel the same. But there are Christians like Carter (and perhaps Christian in name only, like Biden) who were horrible presidents. Look at how Bush lied--he's a Christian. Look at Mike Pence. Anyway, the fact that Vivek's parents were immigrants to this country is not a good reason to be against him. My husband is an immigrant, and I think my kids should be able to run for president if they want to. Maybe one of them will some day!

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

W. became a Christian just after his apparatus found he could win the presidency with the Southern evangelical vote.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men

gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Matthew 7:16

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Jean Anderson's avatar

It's far better to have leaders who believe in a higher authority than leaders who believe that they themselves are the highest authority....

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

He is indeed new to the USA--first generation is not enough time to get a sense of being "American".

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Natalie's avatar

Tell that to my Cuban-born husband and my very American USA-born kids!! They're more "American" than the majority of kids whose parents go back to the Mayflower!

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RunningLogic's avatar

100% agree with you, I know many examples like this! Are there counter examples? Yes but it’s definitely not a determining factor (and certainly far from the only one).

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RunningLogic's avatar

I disagree. My foreign born father is a far better American than most people I know who were born here. Sometimes people born in other places appreciate and understand our country and our freedoms better than native born 5th or 6th generation Americans do.

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AngelaK's avatar

Ok, I would have totally agreed with you about the Hindu factor 10 years ago. It would have disturbed me greatly.

However, the professed Christians today in politics (mostly, but not exclusively the Demon party) are pushing ideology that is more satanic and pagan than the Hindu named Vivek who espouses traditional American (aka: Judeo-Christian) values !

As for Christian, even though he isnt particularly religious, I feel Trump (from his mother's pious influence) respects Judeo-Christian values and morals than the others.

What a crazy world !

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FH's avatar

The Hindu religion is the oldest form of monotheism on the planet. The varied and numerous images and symbols used in devotion and rites are the way in which practitioners personalize their relationship with God. Hinduism is not pagan. Not by a long shot.

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CStone's avatar

He is Hindu and one of the many ‘gods’ he worships is Ishtar. Ishtar is the god/goddess of transgender and transhumanism.

He is very glib.....well-spoken, funny, easy on the eyes. Like Barry Soetoro, like Bill Clinton, like Fidel Castor’s son, Trudeau. And he would be the final nail in the coffin for our nation.

I’m a Trump supporter, but if he were to choose Rama-smarmy as his running mate, I will not vote for this entity.

I remember when women voted for Billy Clinton, Barry Soetoro and Trudeau based on looks.

Even Satan can appear as an ‘angel of light’. This man is NOT as he seems.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I'm old enough to remember how many of my sex voted for JFK just on his looks. Almost enough to make me think women should not have 'gotten the vote'.

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Fla Mom's avatar

VVV, look at a timeline of the 19th Amendment and following vs. constitutionalism in our country. Sadly, highly associated. Causal? I've been thinking 'yes' for some time now. We are Daughters of Eve, the first one to fall for a line. (Yes, Adam fell for Eve's line, but Eve was first. That's the first example of female leadership in a family.) I admit it passed at the same time as did all the other incredibly damaging, regressive "Progressive" amendments and legislation, but women helped lead those efforts, too, e.g. the Temperance Movement and Prohibition.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I appreciate your 'regressive progressive' as I have had the same thoughts.

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Fla Mom's avatar

It's not original to me, I don't think. I think it's from the Hillsdale College Constitution 101 course class on the Progressive Era; they may not have used that word, but they might've, and the phrase summarizes a reading that was included of a speech by Calvin Coolidge on the 'Regressives' (though he didn't name them at all in it).

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Thank you. We do read Imprimis.

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Katrina the Hurricane's avatar

My mom was one of those 🙄. Well-- and she bought into the whole Camelot screen.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Except plenty of men also vote based on stupid reasons too. Or evil ones.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Here's encouraging news about Vivek. He denies he's a "WEF Young Global Leader" and he plans to sue the WEF for trashing him wuith that label!

https://www.benzinga.com/news/23/04/31884327/enough-is-enough-gop-presidential-candidate-wants-to-sue-wef-for-naming-him-young-global-leader-with

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Natalie's avatar

I'm pretty sure he already sued them and received a letter from them admitting that he had objected to being named a "Young Leader." He also demanded that they stop naming people as young leaders without their permission. There have been others. I think Glenn Beck was one.

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Roger Beal's avatar

He did, and more power to him for that!

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Nigel Patterson's avatar

I can’t help feeling this is all part of a carefully planned and orchestrated psyop. Once a WEF’er always a WEF’er. These are not stupid people, deadly, yes, but not stupid. Every fiber of my being screams he is a mole planted by the WEF acting out a popular narrative, and if elected, he will pivot straight back to his master’s plan. We all know the saying, “A leopard does not change the color of its spots.” Do we have another “Yes We Can!” infiltrating the political process? Be very aware of what is potentially going on here.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Could also be that the WEF want us to think this because they DON’T want us to like him 🤷‍♀️

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I have wondered if a number of Young Global Leaders applied for summer camp because they saw it as a resume-builder. And later regretted their choice.

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

His Pharma background concerns me.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Here's his talk in the Hillsdale program on The Great Reset:

Woke Capitalism vs. Profit

https://freedomlibrary.hillsdale.edu/programs/cca-ii-the-great-reset/woke-capitalism-vs-profit

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Natalie's avatar

Jack Posobiec on Human Events asked Vivek about that, and he discussed it. See if you can find that interview. I think it was within the last month.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

On the other hand, how better to understand it?

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Sharon Garvin's avatar

My bet is the military knew exactly what happened to the F35 they just didn't want to admit it and bungled the messaging. And I don't think it's just a software problem it's a software disaster. For every ten thousand lines of code you can expect at least one bug. Over a million lines of code to fly a manned aircraft is insane. They have wasted billions of tax payer dollars.

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J Boss's avatar

I commented yesterday based on my fighter plane experience (at the start of my nearly complete engineering career). I was focused on recovery and response, not the software.

The bulk of my engineering career has been supporting complex IT systems running on tens of millions of lines of code for flight simulation. My team doesn't write code; we try to keep bugs from killing the simulation.

Today's post made me think of the F35 incident in that context. And, yes, that is scary, especially for pilots.

Code in bulk is by nature imperfect. Millions of lines of code have bugs that can take years to surface and more years to fix... you have likely a hundred thousand data points the system is evaluating to make decisions. Probably 5-10 thousand combinations that are a direct threat to stable flight in certain situations (but not all). And some of these likely are not known until they occur, much less tested or trained for.

I have a life long friend from college, fellow electrical engineer, that designed flight code for Bell Helicopters. He said the first few test flights of any major update are the most terrifying IT type work conditions he could possibly imagine. If he missed a bug in the wrong place that violated flight dynamics, best possible outcome is the test pilot escapes harm. Every time he sees anything that looks unstable, his pulse spikes. Imagine how the test pilot feels. He also said it takes years to stop worrying about the hidden "death bug" showing up in everyday flights.

Not all the code on the plane is flight related. Likely most of it is for weapons, defense and communication systems. But pushing the envelope on flight dynamics with software seems to me to be far riskier than physical designs you can see and test more directly.

Nature of the beast, I guess. That's why pilots need "the right stuff." (Think I just dated myself.)

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Katrina the Hurricane's avatar

I’ll date myself with ya. I worked in software engineering tools group for General Dynamics in Fort Worth back in the mid 80s when they were rolling F-16s off the flight line. Back then all software that went on the plane was written in the JOVIAL language, but it was compiled and only the executable image was loaded into the plane’s avionics, which, of course, would operate the plane and all weapon systems on the plane. I do remember that testing was just as you described--you try to test the known envelopes and most common scenarios, but there is no way to test every situation that might arise. The F-16 has been a very dependable plane, so I don’t know if it was just simple by today’s standards or what. But they seemed to have gotten their design and execution right. Of course, back then we didn’t have the internet, so hacking would be very difficult.

I also agree with the person posting below who questions the sanity of anyone who would let AI fly these planes /missions without a person in the loop. My husband did 20+ years as a pilot in the Army. He’s been in plenty of situations where he’s glad a person was operating the aircraft and weapons instead of a “smart” autopilot. Maybe technology hasn’t been the answer in these circumstances.

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J Boss's avatar

I worked at the old bomber plant integrating the crew station indicators from early '86 to late '89. We might have crossed paths, but I don't remember any lady wrestlers with the name "Katrina the Hurricane." Having lived in the Gulf Coast south of Houston most of my live, I would've been drawn like a moth to the flame to a lady with a nickname like that. ;-)

I left G.D. for McAir in St. Louis to work on a classified program, also in the cockpit. Ran across my share of test pilots. Worked for a couple decades at NASA in Training Systems, where we run across astronauts that have years as fighter pilots. They like the stories I've heard about test pilots, and it leads them to share their stories with me (which I truly enjoy).

What I've seen with most pilots agrees with you and your husband... they'd really fight for the manual override capability. But what if the button didn't work in some scenarios. That's the stuff of scary sci fi movies right there.

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Katrina the Hurricane's avatar

Very interesting! I grew up in Houston. Graduated from Westbury HS in ‘82. But didn’t acquire said handle until after the storm in 2005, which just helped people get my name right who otherwise called me Katherine or Kristina. 🤪 Pilots are control freaks as they should be. I would venture to say that most benefit from that attribute rather than die from it.

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Tom's avatar

Most people don't know what "de facto" stability is, and that the code is massaging inputs from the pilot to enable an unstable airplane to fly. Mistakes in the algorithms often occur when the plane is "upset" in a way that the computer doesn't recognize.

Transitions from one part of the flight envelope to another often trigger these events, and many otherwise flyable airplanes have been put into the ground in this way.

An algorithm gone haywire would also be hard to distinguish from certain kinds of Spatial Disorientation, e.g., the Giant Hand phenomenon. Spatial D could easily be a result of vertigo caused by certain recent . . . interventions.

Incidentally, these are the kinds of things that an AI would fail to account for, but a human in the loop with the proper experience would consider. Even taking the human sensory "meat" hardware out of the loop wouldn't be enough in my opinion, as an AI would not consider it's own algorithms to be faulty. An AI would never look for things that it has been told cannot happen.

Anyone in favor of passenger aircraft flown solely by AI without a proper, experienced crew is a victim of hubris.

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Emumundo's avatar

Why in the world are there back doors in the code for our super secure ,top secret, $80,000,000. military aircraft? Or voting machines for that matter?

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Tom's avatar

They didn't bungle the messaging; they filter everything through Public Affairs to support whatever narrative they like that fits best. Possibly leaking out multiple narratives through various media, so they will already be "on the table" should they prove useful.

I don't doubt for a minute that they have people on media like 4chan, reddit, etc., doing just that.

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Elaine Seinfeld's avatar

THE F35 IS CONTROLLED FROM THE GROUND!!! how could the ground crew not know where it is? and who says the "rubble" they found is this planes "crash site"?

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OnTheJump's avatar

Interesting guy, Vivek ..... from schooling those on the other side of an interview, to some wild and crazy karaoke - he IS a hoot to watch and listen to.

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

I love Vivek and will vote for him if he is on any ticket. He is the only candidate to say he will pardon Trump. I hope he pardons the J6ers. I hope every candidate will come out with that campaign promise. The J6ers deserve better.

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MakalekaAnne's avatar

Be careful and do your homework on Ramaswamey!! We can no longer vote for people on what they say. Look at his past connections, schooling, is there a connection to WEF??? Please,

DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

If something looks good on the surface, it might be a lie and THEY are going to come at us with a lot of LIES!

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

That goes both ways. They will try to get rid of our best candidates by endorsing them. It has worked with DeSantis. Get the wrong endorsement and all of a sudden you are viewed as the enemy even when your works say otherwise. I feel very good about Vivek but I will look deeper.

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MakalekaAnne's avatar

Tonya McKinney, I totally agree with you. As far as Ron DeSantis, the RNC is trying to push him on us before the primaries and I think he has aligned himself with RINOS, which is concerning to me.

As far as VR, I too loved all that he was saying and decided to look into his background which gave me a lot of pause. I love that we are able to talk about this. May God give us all discernment and enlightenment to discover the truth. Ultimately, God is in control and He would love us to trust him! God bless you😊

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Based Florida Man's avatar

username checks out

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Natalie's avatar

I agree. And he has said that, not only will he pardon the J6ers, but he also mentioned pardoning James Mackey (I think that's his name) who is in prison for posting a meme about voting for Hillary. Nobody else even talks about that poor guy.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes that was really a travesty 😕

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Dena's avatar

Read Julie Kelly - she seems to be the only honest, true journalist who reports & cares about this travesty: https://open.substack.com/pub/juliekelly/p/my-interview-with-joseph-biggs?r=nl3ud&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

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CStone's avatar

He is Hindu and one of the many ‘gods’ he worships is Ishtar. Ishtar is the god/goddess of transgender and transhumanism.

He is very glib.....well-spoken, funny, easy on the eyes. Like Barry Soetoro, like Bill Clinton, like Fidel Castor’s son, Trudeau. And he would be the final nail in the coffin.

I’m a Trump supporter, but if he were to choose Rama-smarmy as his running mate, I will not vote for this entity.

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Sharon Wood's avatar

I have heard he is a fake, on the other side.

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MakalekaAnne's avatar

Funny to watch, but he is saying all the things we want to hear! Be careful of a smooth talking fox in sheep’s clothing!

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Jaci's avatar

Yep...just like Oba,

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OnTheJump's avatar

🎯 - he a sharp guy, but not gettin' my vote. Maybe .... too sharp.

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Sharon Wood's avatar

YEP!!!!

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Eli's avatar

OT -- are we talking yet about what TPTB are doing to Russell Brand? I've missed a few days of C&C. He was speaking so much truth -- I guess they figured he had to be destroyed. It's actually funny how there is a clip from Jimmy Fallon show that shows an actress plopping herself down on his lap and happily bouncing from knee to knee, while the article about the clip says he grabbed her and she quickly jumped up and was so uncomfortable. But the fact that it is so easy to coordinate the media to take someone DOWN is scary. At least he is friends with Eckhart Tolle -- hopefully this will all be a step toward enlightenment for him.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Very well organized take down of Russell Brand because he spoke out against Big Pharma and the WEF.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

Hopefully he’ll continue his blog on X like Tucker. YouTube is ridiculous! Fascists!!

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Ministry of Truth's avatar

What's really telling is that they just demonetized him, you can still watch his content just all the money goes to YouTube / Google.

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Eli's avatar

Right -- they demonetized him based on *allegations* while actual convicts are making money off of youtube channels. Hopefully that fact will reach the mainstream storyline. They are demonetizing and cancelling just about everything he touches. Hopefully he invested well.

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RunningLogic's avatar

😡

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Bryan Dair's avatar

He has been doing his main work on Rumble for some time.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Yes. Jeff covered Mr. Brand yesterday. Shows how quickly they move...

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/mishaps-and-bad-luck-tuesday-september

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Eli's avatar

BAsed Florida Man -- thank you! Wow, when you miss a few days of C&C the news really gets away from you! :)

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Shari Ray's avatar

Had to silence the TRUTH SPEAKER😡

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Sam's avatar

Did you catch how many times Bill Mohr tried to interrupt his speech?

Apologies if I spelled his name wrong.

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