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Based Florida Man's avatar

Regarding the mentally-mangled murderer who the System wants to medicate, I'll side with no.

Otherwise forced jabs will be the future for anyone in government possession.

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NAB's avatar

I mean, isn't this issue debated on a daily basis in homeless enclaves like San Francisco? Despite the obvious mental illness of some homeless people, you cannot find anyone who advocates for forcibly medicating people. Also, we used to allow people to reject medical treatment all the time. Can you imagine saying to a JW, "sorry, you have to take the blood transfusion"? Or a person, like my mom who refused further chemo, "Sorry - it's for your own good." I think enough Pandora boxes have been opened in the last four years.

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GG's avatar

We shouldn’t force medicate. We should reopen asylums though, and remove people from society those who endanger others lives.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Is that where we put all the morons still wearing masks?!

Mental illness is real...

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GG's avatar

It is. But the question is, how do the maskers threaten your physical well-being? They don’t. And they don’t have any power without the force of government.

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

Let’s examine that

From what I’ve read, most people don’t replace their masks anywhere near often enough. And they become covered with bacteria and fungi. Personally for this reason, I try to stay away from people wearing masks.

On a deeper level, a mask wearer, I know, cannot be counted on to help the rest of us fight the descending darkness of tyranny we’re seeing.

So, I’m not so sure that mask wearers aren’t a threat to the rest of us.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Plus they think WE ARE THE VIRUS.

That's a threat if I've ever seen one.

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Jen's avatar

Agree. Those things are so disgusting. I started throwing a fit once I saw how gross those things were coming home on my kids faces. I still worry about permanent damage they might've done. At least we were successful at getting them off them sooner - we were able to get exemption forms, so many of our kids were barefaced relatively quickly. At first we were treated like pariahs, but eventually we kept pushing and the rest joined us.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Mask wearers are a threat...they are ones who screamed at us for not wearing one and said we would kill grandma.

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Tio Nico's avatar

the maskers ARE a hrat to us but in a non-direct way. WHen I come across a goon in a mug nappie he does not directly threaten ME or my health/safety. I am immune to his mental instability, which I deem NOT contagious. I will not let one of them get close enough to me to actually transmit any of his pathogens physically to me.

So no, they should NOT be forced to doff their face nappies. Let them stew in their own filth. Not MY problem until they attempt to force ME to put one on.

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SteelJ's avatar

Of course they're a threat. They hate us, want us destroyed, and push for that any way they can.

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Astragale's avatar

Yes, they’re dangerous - they buy into the idiotic mask narrative! That supports the government effort to force plandemic measures on us.

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SadieJay's avatar

The mask is the outward sign of the inward acquiescence to embrace the needle intervention. If more humans would not have complied with masks, I do believe the bio-jabs would not have been given the traction necessary and might have forced a re-evaluation. By who? By those with less than stellar critical thinking skills, which has turned out to be a good number of the global population, especially in the west.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

I agree with you. I'll go farther and declare that Maskers are the enemy. They need to be defeated, not tolerated.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

I know. I'm just being silly. I agree with you

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Jen's avatar

true, but then they go around voting in people like Hochul who will throw us in camps for not vaccinating, and that is a direct threat to our well being.

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GG's avatar

I know you were, but thinking about it logically, you could say that the anti-vaxxers were considered a threat during Covid. So I felt I had to respond seriously.

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Karmy's avatar

They can vote so that may threaten my physical well-being. They are brainwashed so they already think we are a threat. They are the scary unknown if things go south eg. Nazi brownshirts. they will turn you in to the government.

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Nancy Tait's avatar

Good point!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Especially the ones wearing a mask outside.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

In the RURAL AREAS!! IN STATE PARKS. THEY SEALED OFF THE BATHROOMS!! PPL BReakING INTO THEM. 😁 BROUGHT THEIR OWN TP. YES I'M STILL SCREAMING!!!

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RunningLogic's avatar

It was all just so unbelievably STUPID!!! 🤦‍♀️😡

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liz's avatar

or in the car alone. OR ON A MOTORCYCLE!

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Bahahah..reminds me of 4 years ago with people wearing buckets on their head and stuff

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jean's avatar

Now, Now Ryan be kind. Perhaps on trash pick up after their rallies or demonstrations would be more profitable for all.

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Lana's avatar

That’s a slippery slope too as the question of what qualifies one to be mandated to asylum remains. (And who gets to decide?)

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GG's avatar

Reasonably, if someone is a threat to others, they can’t be allowed in society. We used to understand this but we’ve become so irrational and illogical (not to mention how some abused their power) that we’ve totally abandoned any action that would protect us.

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Deb S's avatar

I think the struggle is, who gets to decide if someone is a danger to others? During COVID, we were all assured that if we questioned the narrative or refused to be jabbed, *we* were a clear and present danger to the safety of others. For some cases, like the one in this Stack, it’s obvious. This guy is clinically insane and needs to be kept away from society. But then things can get fuzzy/gray. Who gets to decide if your actions (or inactions) are a danger to others? You’re right - we *used* to be able to make those determinations. But now everyone is convinced that even differing opinions are dangerous. I don’t know how we climb back up this slippery slope…

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GG's avatar

I think a large part of it (probably the whole of it) is returning to God. By abandoning Him, we’ve abandoned our reason.

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Emumundo's avatar

As a traditional Roman Catholic I am now considered a threat by the US government. I go to church daily, pray the rosary and cut my grass and post snark on this website and not much else. But I’m a threat to democracy. If Trump doesn’t win this will get ugly(er) fast. Look at what Biden has managed to do in 3 1/2 years. It’s mind boggling and almost impressive.

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Jen's avatar

Agreed, what the left thinks is a threat is scary to me. They want to lock up everyone who doesn't agree with them.

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WP William's avatar

Leftist Courts/Judges are USING this madman for political/social means, NOT to administer "justice". Their means are masquerading for the ends they want primarily and they enjoy their own delusion of Law. We're to accept this all as honest and forthright process of persons of station and respectability rather than the greater Cultural Mental erosion that these "justices" are themselves afflicted with.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

When proper consequences are again imposed for actual harm, we can slow down imagining and harassing people for potential harm. I don’t know if “the Supreme Court roundly rejected prior constraint,” but the Dude’s buddy Walter testified so.

Just sitting here calmly drinking my coffee.

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Jen's avatar

exactly, the fear is that those lunatics on the left would want to start throwing people in asylums for using the wrong pronouns.

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GG's avatar

I don’t mind if some random person thinks by cutting his penis off, he can be a woman. What I do mind is the teachers that teach it, the media that reinforces it, the doctors that practice it, and the government mandating we all believe it. The only way we get back to sanity is by embracing the One who created our rational minds. I do worry that He has given us over to our reprobate minds…

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Oona Pilot's avatar

YES! You got it in one.. and not just pronouns ... anything 'not approved' right think....

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Now there are SO MANY! 😩

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Fabius Minarchus's avatar

Given that he shot people, that's grounds for doing more than medicating.

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GG's avatar

Right? If an animal went on a rampage that killed three and wounded others, the penalty would be death. I’m not convinced that shouldn’t be the penalty for this man as well. However, he’s not just an animal; he’s a man, created in the image of God. Part of me thinks this affords him some consideration I wouldn’t grant to an animal. The other part of me believes that by his actions, he has abandoned the distinction.

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Emumundo's avatar

He’s obviously mentally ill. He doesn’t have the capacity to understand the situation. We are a civilized nation. We don’t kill people who have diminished capacity.

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Fabius Minarchus's avatar

Agreed. My point is that forced medication is preferable to treating him to the punishment he would deserve if sane.

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Dawn B's avatar

I imagine many people were put in asylums, held as hostages, and medicated when it suited a powerful person's interests. Then, they experimented on them without any oversight or protection.

Now jail serves as these places to put people who are unable to function appropriately in society and they are privately owned raking in big bucks from the taxpayers. Most deserve it but so many do not. A relative of mine served 9 years for theft and the treatment was pretty bad in there. Meanwhile, people commit murder and spend less time?

When there is room for people in jail, they make sure the spaces are filled. THAT is truth...

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Dena's avatar

That is truth. Prisons are run by corporations for profit.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

yup and our elites love to glorify the lowest rung of the welfare ladder:

PRISON

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Emumundo's avatar

For profit prisons with guaranteed occupancy

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Copernicus's avatar

The former Soviet Union was known for putting some Christians in hospitals as insane. And forcibly medicating them, no doubt.

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Dawn B's avatar

They did some evil that we don't even know.

The bolsheviks did? It was the soviet union but were they russian?

The people who made the man-made famine in Soviet that killed like 60 million?

Nobody talks about that holocaust.

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Emumundo's avatar

How about an ice pick to scramble your brains for sadness?

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cat's avatar

Good point, but if you think about it, this forced institutionalization is already done against elderly people. I know because it happened to one of my parents -- forced guardianship by the county that my parent lived in.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Nanny state to the "rescue."

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Jen's avatar

oh let's let Hochul decide, she seems like a common sense kind of lady

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

I look forward to her demise

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

She’s evil

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Emumundo's avatar

😜😜

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

With the enormity of evidence out there about the problems starting to pop up I don’t think that’s going to happen.

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Laura Barrett's avatar

Theoretically yes on reopening the asylums. Currently the mentally ill are put in jail and because they cannot be medicated forcefully, they are a danger to themselves and the people who incarcerate them. My husband just retired from law enforcement after 20years and the stories around dealing with the severely mentally ill, would curl your hair. There is a legal threshold in some states for the forced medication of the severely mentally ill and in our state, in his 20 years, my husband never saw it court ordered (we live in a very blue state). I agree on principle that legislating the forced medication of anyone is the beginning of the slippery slope. However the default people in society who are forced to deal with these people, our LEO’s need tools. When an insane person smears feces all over their cell wall, eats it and won’t come out or eat the food provided by the facility, they are forced to extract that person ( for the perpetrators saftey of course). Being able to tranq dart someone like that would be invaluable. So where is the line and how do we deal with the truly insane who are a danger to themselves and others? Is it love or kindness to allow a person to die from infection because they smeared their own fecal matter into self inflicted wounds? Once again I agree that the forced medication of anyone isn’t going to end well, but what do we do with the insane if we aren’t going to use meds?

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PEL's avatar

Some neighbors have a mentally ill (bi-polar) son living with them. He’s almost 40. Can’t hold a job, drinks and goes off his meds. He has become increasingly violent. He says he hears voices, sometimes he wanders the streets at night yelling at mailboxes. The cops have come and arrested him but there is little they can do longer term. He needs an institution but there don’t seem to be any. It’s an impossible situation. They should be enjoying their retirement but are prisoners in their own home dealing with this.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I commented elsewhere about my experience with patients improving on a locked psych ward, given (sometimes forced) medications, but left out the part about how many stop taking their meds after discharge. A lot. Rinse and repeat. It's very sad for the families.

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Copernicus's avatar

As you know I am sure, medication is by far and away a perhaps necessary immediate intervention. However, there are numerous alternative therapies that are much less harmful yet still effective.

One functional psychiatrist whose book I have upstairs said that many schizophrenic folks improve significantly with a gluten free diet. Many need elimination of chocolate (which a friend recently told me share antigenic similarity with gluten).

Solid treatment of developmental trauma via body-based therapies like EMDR, somatic awareness therapy, and others; in conjunction with perhaps body work like chiropractic, acupuncture, craniosacral.

And of course supporting the body hormone systems with the right kinds and sources of herbs, vitamins, minerals can help calm the nervous system so that folks can exercise self-control more readily.

Granted, this is more time and person intensive than injecting meds or giving pills. However, none of those are actually curative. They only suppress symptoms. Which, while absolutely acutely necessary in a crisis, is not a helpful long term solution for patients or families.

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My Favorite Things's avatar

I hope he doesn’t end up murdering them. They need to move and not let him know where they’re going.

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Emumundo's avatar

More than likely he will end up dead.....

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PEL's avatar

It’s a concern for sure!! What do they do? They’ve gone to a support group but that does not address their living situation.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

My RN wife has picked up a few temp fill-in jobs at mental health facilities where people having psychological break-downs are taken. Believe it not, many people are simply too insane to be allowed to go to jail.

So these temporary half-way houses are established, and the ones who exhibit serious violent or self-harm behavior are taken there instead of jail. After a few days, they let them back out. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Mental illness / addiction is actually far worse a problem than most understand.

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Copernicus's avatar

Medication is by far and away a perhaps necessary immediate intervention. However, there are numerous alternative therapies that are much less harmful yet still effective.

One functional psychiatrist whose book I have upstairs said that many schizophrenic folks improve significantly with a gluten free diet. Many need elimination of chocolate (which a friend recently told me share antigenic similarity with gluten).

Solid treatment of developmental trauma via body-based therapies like EMDR, somatic awareness therapy, and others; in conjunction with perhaps body work like chiropractic, acupuncture, craniosacral.

And of course supporting the body hormone systems with the right kinds and sources of herbs, vitamins, minerals can help calm the nervous system so that folks can exercise self-control more readily.

Granted, this is more time and person intensive than injecting meds or giving pills. However, none of those are actually curative. They only suppress symptoms. Which, while absolutely acutely necessary in a crisis, is not a helpful long term solution for patients or families.

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My Favorite Things's avatar

Excellent points! I’m sure many have not thought about it from the law enforcement perspective. They should be able to tranquillize someone like that. There would need to be safeguards in place so forced medication is not abused.

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Karen Walby Ph. D.'s avatar

Unfortunately, those mental institutions are hellholes of patient abuse - One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest is not an exaggeration. The patients there are forced to take drugs, we just don’t have to see them.

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GG's avatar

So we don’t lock up the few to protect the many because the few were grievously abused?

I am not advocating for abuse. I’m just saying, we’re sacrificing society in total because the minority who were locked up were abused and that’s a complete abandonment of logic, reason, sanity, and compassion.

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On an island's avatar

Sadly that’s where we’ve landed in this world of misplaced ideology.

President Bukele of El Salvador said on the Tucker show that when they when they were rounding up and imprisoning violent gang members, the human rights organizations came out of the woodwork to defend the killers.

We’re so concerned about proper treatment of felons, illegal invaders, drug addicts etc; what about the rights of law abiding citizens to live peacefully without all of their nonsense?

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Roger Beal's avatar

We used to do that until progressives started yelling about how the civil rights of the insane trump the needs of a secure society. Leftists see Dickensian urban hellholes every where the rights of the many are defended.

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Carol's avatar

I don’t think it’s an accident that this is the case that will determine if someone can be force medicated. It’s called something like “a wolf in wolf’s clothing”. They choose a really horrible person so we’re more likely to suspend their constitutional rights. Then precedent has been set for when they want to do the same to one of us. It’s what happened to Weinstein and Bill Cosby. Yeah, they are creeps but their trials were full of injustices. And that’s why they’re winning their freedom on appeal.

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Karin's avatar

That’s how they operate so I’m a definite no.

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CStone's avatar

Would this be the ‘re-education camps’ Hilarious Clinton spoke of?

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GG's avatar

No. If someone is a threat to other’s physical wellbeing, they have given up their right to freedom.

I know we’re in a time now where not towing the ruling party line brings calls for removal from society. That’s not what I’m talking about at all.

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Dawn B's avatar

You mean an action of actual physical harm?

A threat does not mean you have given up your right to freedom.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

All depends on the threat and the threat maker, no? Dealing with people as unique individuals instead of "types" of people is essential to social order.

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Copernicus's avatar

We know YOU are not talking about that.

Unfortunately a whole bunch of people were talking about all of US who didn't mask being dangers to society. Or parents who don't want their kids learning sexual perversions in school being a danger to their children's welfare. Or folks who didn't take the jab being a danger to the rest of society. THAT is the concern.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

A serious concern. We’ll start turning that around when massive numbers of us get off our behinds, register to vote, study some issues, compare some candidates, and then go cast a full ballot. Life has been so good for so many of us for so long we forgot that freedom is not free.

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Gabriella's avatar

And the asylums should treat them with kindness & love. Feed them organic whole foods. Find out what nutrient deficiencies they have and offer supplements. Give them spacious outdoors and real activities. Give them a purpose by having them participate in helping others or doing chores that they can handle. Teach them skills in taking care of themselves when they go to live on their own like cooking recipes. Teach them job skills also.

Today’s behavioral health units are complete opposite of this. So sad to see a loved one in these facilities and know that their treatment is completely wrong.

And if someone doesn’t know, they will force inject people by strapping them down or holding them down with meds if they are out of control or put them in isolation in a padded room. Then they will coerce people to take the meds, holding it over their heads as a way to be discharged.

Being trapped in a sterile hospital small building with no outdoor space or very tiny outdoor space with only elementary school activities and fed garbage for days or weeks is enough to make anyone go insane.

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Copernicus's avatar

You are spot on.

And how about truly meaningful therapy for their trauma. Most have childhood developmental traumas. Body-based work like EMDR, chiropractic, biofeedback, and more.

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Gabriella's avatar

Yes, these are great additions.

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Emumundo's avatar

Agree. And we need to help people with mental health issues in this country. The current system is deplorable.

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Nancy Tait's avatar

As a former mental health case manager, I agree with you. In Pennsylvania, and probably all other states as well, it is illegal to force medication on any person unless they are assessed through a formal process to be a danger to themselves or others. I had many ill people on my caseload who probably could have been better able to function if they had been willing to take prescribed medications, but they chose not to, so that was that. The shortage of mental health facilities, especially hospitals, is tragic. The state of Pennsylvania closed many state-funded hospitals because they were so expensive to run. I felt, and still do, that mental illness is not commonly viewed with much concern or compassion. If taxpayers are reluctant to help fund mental health programs and facilities for the mentally ill, they may end up with these said people sleeping on their front porches. People with mental illness are still very stigmatized and feared. All the best to you!

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PEL's avatar

Illinois closed a big one too (in Elgin). Now there is nowhere for these people to go.

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Copernicus's avatar

As you know of course, medication is by far and away a perhaps necessary immediate intervention. However, there are numerous alternative therapies that are much less harmful yet still effective.

One functional psychiatrist whose book I have upstairs said that many schizophrenic folks improve significantly with a gluten free diet. Many need elimination of chocolate (which a friend recently told me shares antigenic similarity with gluten).

Solid treatment of developmental trauma via body-based therapies like EMDR, somatic awareness therapy, and others; in conjunction with perhaps body work like chiropractic, acupuncture, craniosacral.

And of course supporting the body hormone systems with the right kinds and sources of herbs, vitamins, minerals can help calm the nervous system so that folks can exercise self-control more readily.

Granted, this is more time and person intensive than injecting meds or giving pills. However, none of those meds are actually curative. They only suppress symptoms. Which, while absolutely acutely necessary in a crisis, is not a helpful long term solution for patients or families.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I used to know a man who was chemically castrated monthly by the court in New York. He was my neighbor, I was glad, honestly, that he was complying with it.

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GG's avatar

Wouldn’t it have been better, and safer for your community as a whole, if he had been locked out of society?

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

If his father had been, he wouldn’t have had the issue s he struggled with. I don’t know. Yet to meet a “ reformed” child predator.

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Jay Horton's avatar

Yes, they involuntarily become organ donors. Enough soft stuff for them and their ilk. Be done with it and use the defense funds to help the child recover and try to lead a normal life. That sounds like justice to me, but that's me....

Later Jay

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

There are none. There is no rehab for pedophiles! No one. Not one ever stops their aberrant behavior.

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Astragale's avatar

Trouble is, these days, the wicked people who have hijacked power would love to be locking all of us up for dissent...Tyrants love to label dissidents as mentally ill.

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

"We should reopen asylums though, and remove people from society those who endanger others lives."

There you go 'picking' on Congress and the Senate again.........and for that matter (regarding the criminally insane) the White House.

On a more serious note:

Aren't they actually the one's most likely to decide who is mentally ill?

"Dr. I refuse the latest 'mandated' jab"

Doc's response: "OK, then according to Congress, I'll have you diagnosed as mentally ill, and have you institutionalized until you take the mandated jab. On top of that, Congress has ordered that insurance companies are forbidden from reimbursing medical expenses of anyone who doesn't adhere to the 'mandates'."

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Jay Horton's avatar

100%. Thanks GG for saying it out loud.

Later Jay

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Dianne Denson's avatar

Absolutely!!

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Garden Lover's avatar

Yup. Many of the homeless people are mentally ill, some of them a result of drug use. We cannot force them to get treatment or take medication. Nor should we be able to.

That being said, the only class not protected are children. They do this all the time with children. If you are a parent who disagrees with a treatment but the treatment is what is accepted (and what the doctor ordered) and you refuse to let them use it on your child, the state will take your child away. This has been going on for decades. It’s medical kidnapping, and it’s wrong. Most people prior to the pandemic would’ve disagreed with me, but I think that tide is changing as well.

Allowing them to medicate him against his will in order to put him on trial will open up a whole can of worms.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Well, in San Francisco they just encourage people’s alcohol addiction. It’s like giving candy to a diabetic, or worse. It’s not forced, but it’s just as bad. 🤡 world.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes exactly.

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Peace's avatar

NAB - This brings to mind the cases where chemo is forced upon children over the objection of their parents. Children are taken away from parents and forcibly administered chemo.

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DMang's avatar

A sticky issue for sure. Some look rightly so that it is forced medication. Others see it as a tranquilizing dart. Even if violent types were put in asylums w/o meds like some suggested, they would be a danger to everyone there. What is the solution? It’s not all black and white as a right to refuse. It’s much different for a person of sound mind to make the decision to reject a shot as opposed to an insane violent criminal with deadly “off his meds” consequences. I don’t know the answers. The courts will have to sort this one out.

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Alice in Wonderland's avatar

Too many! Far too many ...

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WP William's avatar

who are the judges who rule for forcible medication of the insane? Are THEY doctors? what medical professional is testifying to the safety and efficacy of the mental mood mind sanity-restorative drug being touted? is this a Pfryzer product? These Leftist Judges WANT to set precedent AND sanctify abortion facilities and the personnel who work there, AND punch Pro-Lifers in the face. The only way to do this with a clinically deranged killer who lone-wolfed an attack and survived for a trial is to subvert his madness defense (a Leftist ploy since the 1960s) and Force-medicate him (is the State not his Guardian at this point in a manner of speaking too?). The courts will get all the benefits they can out of this...perhaps they can wring some sort of causal connection confession from this madman so they can further erode Pro-Life Speech and 2nd Amendment Rights as well.

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

"who are the judges who rule for forcible medication of the insane?"

Like all Judges, they learned 'law', not medicine.

They relay on experts (like Fauci) to determine what should be mandated.

Yes, there are cases where truly mentally ill (one day we'll have to discuss how they ended up being/becoming mentally ill) without infrastructure/family/etc. are relying on the State to make that decision.

Dangerous though, as. commenter stated, when it involves parenting choice and affected children.

Judge 'Judy' ain't going to be able truly help much.

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Truthseeker's avatar

They’re already doing it in blue states- to minors. This was a horrific story in bleed blue CT.

She had no choice. They forced her to do chemo.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/cassandra-callender-forced-to-undergo-chemo-dies-at-22/2271246/?amp=1

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Ripple's avatar

JW?

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Notyours's avatar

I'm assuming Jehovah's Witness.

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NAB's avatar

Correct.

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Peter Schott's avatar

Yeah - back in 2019, I'd have sided with the "yes" votes. Criminal? Check. Insane? Check. Danger to society? Check. Go for it. But these days? That's a no. Still checks all the boxes, but not the "forced medication with potentially bad side effects" one.

That _does_ open the way for all sorts of "well, he's really a danger to himself because he won't take his 45th mRNA booster + shingles + flu + hand-foot-mouth disease shot" levels of craziness. We don't need to open that door any wider than the courts left it open back in MA.

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Maureen ODH's avatar

🎯

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Astragale's avatar

Well said, Peter.

The global villains have gone from saying dissidents are wrong to saying we’re extremists to saying we’re criminals, terrorists & then a health threat to others.

Let’s not allow them to try « they’re a danger to themselves - medicate them for their own good »....

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Johnny-O's avatar

Yep, people who spread "disinformation" (inconvenient facts) will soon be terrorists who need to be forcibly medicated for their own and society's safety.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Yes, "society's safety" is the camel's nose entering the tent. We lived through that, and it's not over yet.

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Bard Joseph's avatar

Jabs please. So you will be safe and effective as a killer

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

Let them come ahead.

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GG's avatar

Lock him up in a mental hospital for the rest of his life. That’s what justice looks like in this case.

If they can force medicate the vulnerable, they’ll find a way to force medicate the rest of us. It’s likely they already are with our food and water supply.

I’m tired of the government’s heavy hand. I spent over half my life being in awe at the thought that I was born into the freest country on earth. When did I exchange freedom for shackles? I can’t pinpoint the exact date, but the awakening has been horrific.

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Lana's avatar

They problem with asylums is they can be used to lock us up too depending on who makes the determination.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Sadly, there will always be mistakes made but there must be an effort for justice and punishment for liars, withholding of truth, bribery, tampering with witnesses, and Judges who do. Money buys morals. Now who makes the foundations of all law, men or God?

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Astragale's avatar

Yep.

We are ruled by a global ORGANIZED CRIME SYNDICATE.

They’re as trustworthy as Hitler & Stalin.

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Bard Joseph's avatar

No way to talk about public education and TV watchers.

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

There's "vulnerable", and then there's "convicted murderer". Those are miles apart.

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Jacquijacq's avatar

I’m in agreement with you - used to be “institutions for the criminally insane” (that’s where he belongs). Of course now, that’s just Times Square NYC!

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Lana's avatar

It’s a predicament! I’m sure at some point they’d be happy to lock us up as criminally insane….

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Make no mistake. That's exactly what's happening.

I fear for my children

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Porge's avatar

Ha! Good one 👍

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Roger Beal's avatar

... or an Ivy League campus.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Used to be...not anymore. It's now a korporate enclave.

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JudyC's avatar

Absolutely agree. If we agree that forcibly medicating this man is the right thing to do, we are no better than the liberals cherry-picking who to apply constitutional rights to. It’s either right for everyone, or it’s wrong for everyone, not just for those we disagree with (or agree with!)

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Inverted Pyramid's avatar

Just look at Biden, he is on medication to adjust the perception of his “real-self”. A resounding NO!

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Sunny's avatar

I had this crazy thought. We always assume the meds Mr. Peters receives are to keep him upright & continent. What if they’re actually sedating him in increasing doses so that it appears that he needs to be switched out before the election, solely for health reasons? Wild but he seems waaaay overmedicated to me. But I’m only an RN & mental health therapist.

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Betsy Frost's avatar

I have had that same thought.

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LMWC's avatar

I have said this since shortly after his illegal inauguration. Glad to see there are others with this same thought.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Any predictions he will be gone before the election?

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Astragale's avatar

Oh if they want him out, they can easily arrange a Sudden Adult Death.

« Health care » has no trouble invoking myocarditis, cardiac arrest....

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lynn's avatar

IS he faking it to avoid prosecution.............seems like a pretty good act that the left is pushing now.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

He's taking Adderall mainlined.

Heck he might even be able to give "Corn-pop" a run for his money...

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Angus McPherson's avatar

No we shouldn't force medicate him. But how has his mental illness prevented them from trying him? The move to Federal Court was a chickensh*t move by the State. This is not a federal issue. This guy went postal (sorry all you postal workers) and should be tried. When you are dealing with someone this delusional, what can be done to protect their rights and secure a fair trial? Thorny issues. But medicating him to make it easier for the court to navigate this illness is not OK.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I agree - EIGHT YEARS of taxpayer funded legal maneuvering?! Seems like the most efficient way to handle this would be 1. have him certified as 'legally insane' 2. Lock him up in a mental institution the rest of his life. I might feel differently if he was in his 20's as there would be a chance of him getting out. But given his age, just keep him out of society and call it a day.

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Heather's avatar

Yep - I’ve definitely changed, understanding with age and the experience of the last few years the easy jump it would be to forced vaccinations or anything else they dream up

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lynn's avatar

Nazis love to kill people in prison? So thats who they are.

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Astragale's avatar

Agreed.

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Jaye's avatar

I would also side with "no", but would avoid discussion of bodily autonomy, as that is a major argument used to support abortion. It is a very tangled situation

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Astragale's avatar

Not really Jaye.

Your body is your body. That’s clear. It does not belong to the state or to doctors.

Whatever arguments are brought to the abortion debate, there are 2 bodies in a pregnancy: the mother’s & the child’s.

And there are 3 sets of rights: the mother’s, the father’s and the child’s.

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Kenneth N. Myers's avatar

I agree. No forced medication by the Government whatsoever without full advocation on his behalf. Why lawyers vs the Federal Government? Why does he not have a Legal Guardian, even if he is a ward of the state? That guardian should be advocating on his behalf, not legally but for a human being with inalienable rights. Just think if the Government had open season on medication: experimentation, mind altering drugs for pre -determined outcomes, negating intelligent defense of oneself, torture, or denial of needed treatment.

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A.J.'s avatar

Bingo.

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JW's avatar

What about reopening a few of the mental hospitals that were closed down during the Reagan era where possibly those who need it could get help. Otherwise, goverment forced medication and then what, forced lobotomies like in One Flew Ocer The Cuckoo's Nest?

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Copernicus's avatar

Well, they still get meds in the mental hospitals, depending on what's going on. If he is threatening staff safety, it'd be meds for him there too.

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Beth Bart's avatar

Ditto

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Neil Kellen's avatar

When someone tells you Hunter's conviction upends Trump's narrative, offer the following Q&A

Q: What felonies was Trump convicted of?

A: Falsifying business records.

Q: Did you know that falsifying business records is a MISDEMEANOR?

A: No I did not.

Q: Do you know how those misdemeanors became felonies

A: No I don't.

Q: Do you know that misdemeanors can be elevated to felonies if committed to aid another felony?

A: Yes, that's why he was convicted.

Q: What was the "other felony" that he committed and was convicted for?

A: uh...uh...uh...

Q: So if he didn't commit another felony, how can those misdemeanors be called felonies?

A: uh...uh...uh...ORANGE MAN BAD!!!

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

I expect they’ll get angry and start cursing before you get past the second question

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Angus McPherson's avatar

When people hug to themselves a delusion that they think is fundamental to their well being and safety, they don't' want to have that delusion challenged. Some people will get violent and/or hysterical when their delusion is assailed. The leftists have cleverly created "safe spaces" for these useful idiots and taught them that you don't ever have to worry one whit about living an unexamined life. The spaces that are "safe" in this case are the gaps in their common sense and understanding.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

layer on top of that the "right to not feel offended" that the left has manufactured, and you have a nearly unassailable position. It can only be ignored and ridiculed until it crumbles.

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RunningLogic's avatar

🎯🎯🎯

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Ddm's avatar

My highly liberal family member, who constantly tells me how fake my news is said "he was paying to have sex with a porn star and that’s illegal ". But my news sources are bad.

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Astragale's avatar

Tsk tsk.

She doesn’t support the wonderful & legal work of noble « sex workers »???

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TB's avatar

LMAO seriously?! And here I thought liberals were on-board with legalized prostitution...

(Quite aside from the fact that he wasn't even allegedly "paying to have sex", he was paying her for the rights to her "story" about them supposedly having sex, which isn't illegal at all, and then allegedly "hiding" it by categorizing it as a legal expense.)

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NeoBob's avatar

Haha. Sorry about your family. At least my MIL has stopped attacking us for not being 45 haters. I've come around to think that there is no way he actually had sex with her, or they would have asked for a lot more than the couple hundred thousand in that shakedown. That's what it was - a shakedown. But my sources are probably bad.

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Shari Ray's avatar

You mean Yelling /Screaming before u get past 2nd ?

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

And that's where the line:

"Get off my lawn"

came from.

LOL

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Neil Kellen's avatar

Took me a few seconds to understand that. I like it!

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Indeed

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KCwoofie's avatar

Yep.

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Kelli's avatar

Convicting Hunter Biden on gun charges is like convicting Jeffrey Dahmer of Jay Walking.

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UM Ross's avatar

I'm so stealing that. :)

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carily myers's avatar

Me, too

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Vida Galore's avatar

But.... he said "pussy."

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TB's avatar

:: pearl-clutching-and-fainting-emoji ::

Some people truly can't get past the coarse language, or that "he doesn't talk the way a president should", or that he exaggerates when telling stories. But I like that he says what he thinks... it's a nice change from the old joke about "how do you know a politician is lying?". (ans: their lips are moving)

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Vida Galore's avatar

Oh the irony: My lib-Woke Hollywood sister loves to toss out the word "pussy" in mixed company for shock value. But she thinks Trump is the devil (of course). These people are so wed to their ideology they can't think straight.

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TB's avatar

Wait, she uses crude language and then objects to Trump doing the same? That is hilarious irony.

(Though I would give her a pass if her attitude was "I'm fine with Trump's language but hate him for other reasons".)

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Astragale's avatar

As people say:

Take Trump seriously but not literally.

Many have difficulty accepting someone in politics who is larger than life.

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Momcat's avatar

go listen to what Trump said in context. He didn't say it the way they want you to think he said it. That's the problem. They took it out of context & repeated it ad nauseum so much that no one knows what he actually said.

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Vida Galore's avatar

Yes, exactly like when he talked about ultraviolet light as a disinfectant for viruses (which it is). Somehow, they changed that to "TRUMP SAID TO DRINK BLEACH TO CURE COVID!!" TDS sufferers are insane.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Right. None of it matters....cuz....HITLER!

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Donna in MO's avatar

You nailed it. Went down this same path with some TDS folks after the verdict came out. You forgot the next part (bangs head against the wall as that is more productive).

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Grandma Bear's avatar

Oh, I can rarely get as far as that in a conversation before the irrefutable "Orange Man Bad!" argument is produced🤪.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Excellent.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

How I have this talk with my Blue addled friends. The captured MSM is the Transnationals main weapon. There must be a way to disrupt it.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

Persistence. Flowing water can carve canyons out of rock.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Spot on.

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Astragale's avatar

You’re disrupting it by talking & writing, Skunk!

Keep going!

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Julia's avatar

I get to this point quicker by asking to specify what business records and falsified how, and how you can influence elections by bookkeeping. But even those with no TDS can't answer those questions. The media totally confused everybody and hushed up the details. By contrast, everybody knows that the Hunter's case was about purchasing a gun, not some vague "failed to fill a form properly to advance another crime".

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Neil Kellen's avatar

And - all politicians influence elections! That's how they get into office. And very few people know it was actually one transaction cut into 34 pieces.

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TB's avatar

Well, from what I understand, he was just paying his lawyer every month, but if you take 34 of those payments and add them together it equals the amount that was paid to Stormy, which is "proof" that it was secretly in fact a reimbursement of that money and not actually "legal expenses". Or did I misremember?

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Neil Kellen's avatar

actually, it wasn't 34 payments. It was a combination of accepted invoices, general ledger postings, and checks. I guess Trump is lucky the didn't consider every key stroke involved to be a felony!

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Julia's avatar

But you can ask "so, what are the other 33?". I find it the dumbest part that people contradict to themselves.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

What did Steve Bannon do ? He goes to jail July 1

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Momcat's avatar

refused to comply with a subpoena... just like Hunter did... but was Hunter ever charged? ever convicted? no, so there is no equity in the DOJ

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Thanks Momcat

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Momcat's avatar

That is too good, not to share repeatedly all over the world. Thanks!

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AJF's avatar

Hillary Clinton did the same thing and was fined $8,000.

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

Nailed it, Neil!

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Valerie's avatar

I only got to the first paragraph before I had to post about how sick I am of Hunter Biden being referred to as a child. Not only has he not been a child in like 40 years, the infantilization of the term is disgusting. One more way to pretend that he’s the victim.

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MLAbbott's avatar

He is 54 YEARS OLD

He a grown a$$ man.

Call him his

progeny

issue

spawn

progeniture

scion

successor

heir

fruit of one's loins

chip off the old block

descendant

bagman

fall guy

but he is not a CHILD!!!

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Angus McPherson's avatar

Fall guy seems the most apt. I can see a conversation in a room in the White House. "H, you have to take one for the team. Grandma Garland will push through and prosecute you for these lesser charges. Don't worry about prision. Worst case, I'll be sure you won't slip through the "crack"s if that happens. "

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shayne's avatar

Eventually they eat their own. Though Biden is only one rung above a cadaver.

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Granny Annie's avatar

You forgot "offspring." LOL

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AngelaK's avatar

Or simply 'son'.

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

I prefer bagman, myself.

or maybe, chip off the ol' block.

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Freebird's avatar

😂😂😂

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Valerie's avatar

How about ‘adult son’? Seems simple enough.

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Valerie's avatar

But some of your options are freaking hilarious.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

He’s 54?!?

Drugs are bad for you.

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Sarah Bee's avatar

I just commented how I’m absolutely done with anything relating to this creep & please no more drugged out photos it’s sickening

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Freebird's avatar

Sarah, we need to keep the drugged out photo reality in the public eye, because if you watched any coverage on TV (and we only have Newsmax on) you’re seeing video of Hunter as a nicely dressed handsome man, walking purposefully into court hand in hand with his beautiful wife.

No, the drugged out photo is the real Hunter. It may be sickening, but it’s the picture that’s worth a thousand words, portraying the entire Biden crime family.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

Marco Polo has the receipts from the laptop. Took months to clean it up enough to publish, because of all the inappropriate images.

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Roger Beal's avatar

The drugged-out Hunter reveals his work clothes, hard at it raising millions for Tha Family.

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Sarah Bee's avatar

Absolutely! Agree. The messaging here is a sham

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Janet's avatar

He looks like every mother’s nightmare. A mobster just reeking of a need for a pair of cement 👞👞. Yuck.

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Valerie's avatar

Right? Like gutter scum that tries to clean himself up by putting on a suit but the gutter scum is still all over him.

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CH's avatar

Joe and Jill Biden are definitely gutter scum, too.

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CMCM's avatar

Every time I see him he looks kind of crazy....his eyes look crazy.

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AngelaK's avatar

His father is crazy, so...

To me he seems like an overgrown baby, not too bright, vulnerable and lost soul.

That is why daddy babies him, I think.

I don't fault him the addiction, but in contrast, RFKJR has openly discussed his heroin addiction and how God helped him out of that dark abyss. Because they say it is hell on earth.

How Hunter got clean without God, I don't know..or maybe he did ask God for help? 🤷

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

I’m sick of him completely. Enough

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Lolol exactly.

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Jaye's avatar

In this case Biden-spawn might be appropriate

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MaryAnn's avatar

“Spawn of Biden” plants the seed to bring to mind another spawn.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Sorta pisses me off that they call him ‘Jill’s son’. He’s her step son. And I’m sure she doesn’t love him like a son. Sick, co-dependent creeps.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Also that she used taxpayer funds to go jetting back and forth from France to his trial 🤬

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AngelaK's avatar

Updated news on that: the Democratic party is going to cover it for her.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I read they were only covering a portion of it.

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AngelaK's avatar

🤷 I didn't read the article, just briefly saw the headline..probably misleading as usual. Thanks.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yeah I think you’re right, it was buried in order to give the impression that taxpayers weren’t on the hook for it. Unless the party decided to cover more than they originally stated.

This is where I read about it:

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/06/10/climate-change-alarmist-jill-biden-had-a-heck-of-a-carbon-footprint-last-week-guess-whos-paying-n2397145

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Dena's avatar

And the doctor allowed her daughter to shower with her husband.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Did we ever find out what kind of doctor? 🧐🤣

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AngelaK's avatar

An honorary doctorate or something in education.

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MaryAnn's avatar

Jill is trying to keep the house of cards from collapsing. She is out of her lane with this den if vipers.

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CMCM's avatar

Jill is committing elder abuse, plain and simple.

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MaryAnn's avatar

Agree. I doubt she was given options, short of “you handle him or we will find someone who will.” That bed they made is full of nails.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Totally agree. She and the handlers are complicit.

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Peter Schott's avatar

You can be old, but still a child. Sadly - Hunter _does_ fit that picture all too well. :(

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Valerie's avatar

Then it’s a massive parenting failure. I’m Hunters age and I don’t even think of my own kids as children, and the youngest is 19. They’re all in charge of their own lives and decision making. The Biden family is just incredibly dysfunctional.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

& Ashley, suffering in silence.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Every family for every candidate for public office should be vetted. Sure, we all have nuts in our family trees, but simply compare "the smartest man" Joe knows to the Trump kids. It's not like we don't have ancient advice to follow. “Select capable men from all the people—men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain—and appoint them as officials” (Exodus 18:21).

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Angus McPherson's avatar

Well, I'd say that the Biden approval rating is a rough (but likely low) indication about how many adults are still children.

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BBS's avatar

It is frightening that 37.4% of the people in this country approve and support him.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

well now you know who would line you up in a firing squad...and think they were doing "good".

i think it's a favor.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

It's better knowing 62.6% don't. That's a massive landslide if we get out the vote.

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CH's avatar

He likely is a victim of abuse by his father, but I agree with your statement.

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Valerie's avatar

I think this is likely also, and he’s definitely the family scapegoat.

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Dane C's avatar

Am even more tired of all the people saying how much Joe Biden loves his son. Also infantilizing, and completely irrelevant.

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AngelaK's avatar

IMO, there must be something infantile which brings this out in Joe. I see Hunter as not very bright (Chinese businessman in their illegal dealings confirmed this by testifying that "his dog is smarter"), vulnerable, and something of a spiritually lost soul. Just the way his face looked , the way Jill and his wife clutched his hands..something is off. That is, imo, the reason Joe babies him.

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Valerie's avatar

100%!

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Dr Linda's avatar

Thank you to all who commented and sent thoughts & prayers regard my Brother’s adverse reaction to paxlovid. He is out of the hospital 😮‍💨

The doctors are baffled. Surprise!! It’s a waiting game now

One of my goals in posting is once again to alert folks that doctors don’t know what they are doing. They deliberately gave a medication that should not have been given. Ignorance is no excuse

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Robin Greer's avatar

If your brother had a heart condition and the doctor prescribed it to your brother anyway, then the doctor could be liable. The warnings say to tell your doctor if you have a heart condition. We had the same issue with a man at our church who had a heart condition and he brought that up to his doctor when he prescribed paxlovid. The doctor just flippantly brushed off his concerns. He ended up taking the medication for a day but the side effects were so bad that he stopped taking it. I had warned him before he started taking it.

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Peter Schott's avatar

My sister has is a pharmacist and she had to check those interactions all . the . time. Spent more time on the phones trying to work things out with the prescribing "doctor" to avoid killing or harming patients. No idea how her work in that field goes these days, but I know pre-crazy times she took a lot of care to avoid mixing meds that would lead to harm.

I have not tried to bring up what her thoughts might be on mRNA shots. I suspect she was pretty much "for" them in the early days, but that could have changed. Doesn't help that she's in a blue state surrounded by the crazy.

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Barbara ( Portlander😵‍💫)'s avatar

A good pharmacist is sometimes more important than a doctor. We love ours.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

It’s good to see your comments. Hope is still alive for Portland.

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

AS a pharmacist, and very anti-jab, I couldn't WAIT to get my hands on the package insert, to read all.

It's completely blank. For all. Still.

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Jamison's avatar

Same thing happened to my neighbor. Thankfully, it made him feel so bad that he stopped taking it on his own.

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Dr Linda's avatar

One dose did it within hours

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Robin Greer's avatar

Oh my. That's awful.

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JudyC's avatar

Well, he had to hold his mommy’s hand when he left court (even though she’s not his mommy and she can’t stand him!) Man, she’s a piece of work…but that’s a whole ‘nother story!

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Robin Greer's avatar

I was thinking the same thing. Really, she had to come and hold his hand.

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

more likely, she's acting as his handler, like she does with Joe, or alternatively, still the nanny in the family

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JudyC's avatar

She was also there as a visible reminder to the judge, jury and public that they (we) are messing with the Biden (Crime) Family….

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CMCM's avatar

All those Bidens at the trial right up front behind Hunter, that was clearly designed to be jury intimidation. I would sure like to hear or read comments from some of the other jurors about all this.

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AngelaK's avatar

I read that someone, the prosecutor I think, told the jury to ignore that Jill Biden was there.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Thankfully no heart condition

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Matt's avatar

he trusted and obeyed the doctor anyway- sad. At least the pharma company gave fair warning

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Robin Greer's avatar

Of course, the Pharma company knows no one looks at the warnings especially the doctors.

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AngelaK's avatar

Doctors today don't give a damn to ask about health conditions which you might have which the drug box itself gives warning to.

They are drug dealers who are as irresponsible as a drug dealer on the corner 'in the hood'.

I research everything! Thank God I do..it has saved mine and my family's life/ health a few times.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Unfortunately, I totally understand and I have experienced the same thing. You have to be your own advocate and also for your family.

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Beth Bart's avatar

Thank God he is out of the hospital. Praying & asking for Gods protection over him and Blessings on you Dr. Linda

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Carol M.'s avatar

Get him on one of the flccc protocols!🙏

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Dr Linda's avatar

Of course, I already did that. : )

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Super Happy's avatar

Happy to hear your brother is out of the hospital 🙂

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Good news...thanks for the update!

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Dr Linda's avatar

Thank you for caring

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Roger Beal's avatar

This also happens to our pets while in veterinary care. Pfizer et al have captured much of that profession.

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

13yr old pup was diagnosed last year with splenic mast/tumour (that means lymphatic system as it's the largest lymph organ).

Vet offered $7500 removal protocol (anesthesia, surgery, resection, closure/stitches, antibiotics, immune suppressents (due to spleen removal) and slow recovery with no guarantees (normal life expectancy for pup that age is 4 to 6 months).

Went the IVM route instead at $50/month, and he's still sniffing/pooping/eating/drinking/walking and enjoying life 9 months later.

Yep, doing the research was amazingly helpful.

Here's a couple sites if you or someone you know is learning about pet cancer(s).

https://fendbendazole.org

https://fenbendazole.substack.com

Fenbendazole is one of the family of IVM products.

Works for humans as well so states the evolving literature.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Absolutely

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Robin Greer's avatar

Our vet just told us to stop giving our dog Apoquel because it causes liver problems and his enzymes were elevated.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Our ten y/o male cat received a vet-prescribed injection of Pfizer's "Cerenia" to stimulate his appetite, which he lost during a recent bout with a mystery bacterial illness. This formerly-outgoing and friendly cat has become a zombie. Cerenia transits the brain blood barrier ... can you name another Pfizer product for humans that also does that??

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Robin Greer's avatar

I'm sorry to hear this happened to your cat. It's ridiculous that we all have to do our own research on any medications now.

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Janet's avatar

👍🏻

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Jamison's avatar

Good to hear! Continued prayers for his healing.

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RunningLogic's avatar

So glad to hear he is out of the hospital!! Thank you for the update! Continuing to pray for him!!

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

That is wonderful news! Here's to a full recovery!

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Dr Linda's avatar

Thank you very much

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

“Unless the Lord builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the Lord guards the city, The watchman stays awake in vain.”

‭‭Psalms‬ ‭127‬:‭1‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

https://bible.com/bible/114/psa.127.1.NKJV

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

And regarding that watchman, this morning I reached Ezekiel 33 (here vs 1-6 from the KJV 1769) and was struck:

33:1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

33:2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:

33:3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;

33:4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.

33:5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.

33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Jamie's avatar

Wow! Thank you- I love the Bible rabbit hole this sends me down!

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

The Word of God is meant to give you life, strength and comfort!

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Jamie's avatar

His word ALWAYS gives me what I need! It is the essential food for my soul. 🙏

When I hear/read a verse someone posts I have to go look for context (unless I automatically remember) by reading at least 4 verses before & 4 after. It usually doesn’t end there. A nourishing and exciting rabbit hole that I desperately need.

I always find new applications to what I’m currently working through. That is how God works through other people.

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LMWC's avatar

I feel the same.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

it'll also cut you down to size...which is needed

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

So important. Humility + being proud to pick up the sword when trumpets call are pieces of the puzzle we need to put back together.

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Donna in MO's avatar

What bothers me most about the Hunter Biden case is that I have a hard time with arguing that ANYONE should go to jail for lying on the ATF form as I would argue there should not be a form in the first place. This is one of those totally selective 'gotcha' laws, that are only enforced when there is an agenda to get someone for something else, and they don't think they can get a conviction, so the 'lying on form 4473' is a convenient vehicle.

And I already KNEW that if he was convicted, the TDS crowd would use this verdict as bludgeon against anyone who wants to argue that the justice system is weaponized against Trump and Trump supporters. Think that was the whole purpose of the trial in the first place.

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Susan Seas's avatar

I believe Hunter made a deal long before this case. Think laptop. The rest is for show. The form maybe unconstitutional but right now it’s law and anyone else would go to prison for lying on it. Hopefully one day the laws will be cleaned up. A few years ago I would have said there is no way, but now I see possibilities.

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Donna in MO's avatar

188K pages in the Code of Federal Regulations. https://regulatorystudies.columbian.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs4751/files/2024-03/cfr_pages_by_calendar_year.pdf Anyone with enough time and money can dig through and find something on almost anyone. The federal bureaucracy is out of control, but nothing a giant axe to their funding can't fix.

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

Or a chainsaw....

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RunningLogic's avatar

Same thought lol 😂 I posted before I saw yours!

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FH's avatar

Me too!

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Susan Seas's avatar

I agree! But HB is guilty of much more serious crimes that are more detrimental to our country than lying on a form. Those things he will never be charged with.

I will save your link to take a look at it. Yes Cut the funding!!

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Angus McPherson's avatar

I worry that any further attempt to use the laptop to pursue these other very enormous crimes will be shouted down "He was already convicted, why do you keep bringing this up?"

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Donna in MO's avatar

That link is just one chart. If you really want an in-depth look at the growth of the Regulatory State, this site is a gold mine. https://regulatorystudies.columbian.gwu.edu/reg-stats

Problem is too often, we the people actually clamor for this. How many times do you hear "there ought to be a law...." but reality is there probably already is, it's just not enforced, or it's selectively enforced.

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Susan Seas's avatar

Yes! My Dad always says that! We don't need more laws we have them they are not enforced!

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Exactly.

I think Tacitus said: "The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." (Or vice-versa).

The ouroboros of obfuscation.

But even worse; the law has now become an instrument for illegality.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Ugh I hate it when people say that and tell them there are already too many laws!

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

My favorite bumper sticker: Make the Constitution legal again.

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RunningLogic's avatar

🎯🎯🎯

Or a chainsaw 😁

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

An axe to their funding is a great place to start.

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FH's avatar

Chainsaw!!!

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

Or a few million pieces of lead jacketed in copper

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LMWC's avatar

Of course there was a deal struck with Hunter. The timing of all this reeks and is intentional, but somehow that elephant sitting directly on the lap of America will never be discussed as such in the media. Peripheral nonsense will go on indefinitely though. This is like talking to many about solar “farms”. It’s not going across the road from them, so they can’t fathom that no suddenly appearing solar company can pay farmers, triple the going crop prices to lease their land, put millions into setting all these panels up with construction and maintenance costs, have no solar buyer for their energy, but will find some energy company willing to pay exorbitant price for 12 to 18% energy without there being government money subsidizing all of this. They just don’t get it.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Well I am a weather nerd, and when I am looking for an escape, I follow storm chaser Reed Timmer's live feeds and follow a number of other chasers. This has been an active year for severe storms and tornadoes - and I have seen several pictures of solar farms taken out by big hail stones. These things are toxic waste and there is no recycling them, One more tic in the 'green tech is NOT green' column.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Well said!!

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walk2write's avatar

The ethanol from corn scheme (scam?) works similarly. Climate change nuts demand that ethanol be put in gasoline (which ultimately gums up engines), which creates a demand for ethanol from corn, farmers make a fortune from the demand, consumers get screwed (ruined engines and health from living near Roundup ready crops), but hey at least those poor farmers, engine repair shops, and medical facilities are raking it in.

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Donna in MO's avatar

The only farmers making a killing on ethanol are corporate farms. It was a boon for small farms/co-ops when it was first introduced but due to too much price instability, most co-op owned ethanol plants have been bought out by big ag. https://iowarfa.org/ethanol-center/ethanol-biorefineries/

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LMWC's avatar

I came onto write this very thing. I live in a rural agricultural area of Michigan. A big farm here is 600 to 1000 acres, a third of which is normally leased land from smaller farmers retiring. Ethanol in it’s early going 40 years ago, produced one co-op plant around here. It didn’t last a decade. There are no farmers around here that have gotten rich on growing corn for ethanol.

The farmers who are leasing farm land for these abominable solar “parks” or “farms”, they are neither, will end up with useless farmland within a decade after these investment companies sell off or go bankrupt. They can call them renewable all they want, they are unsustainable and we all know it.

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A.J.'s avatar

Reminds me seeing for the first time wind turbine towers at Altamont Pass in California. Those were all in fact tax dodges for the owners with cash to burn on any New Investment to offset profots elsewhere with tax losses cost in wind power installation as they made sweet & special tax break profits selling "green" electrical power for this new "good" thing. Now most of those wind turbines on that pass have fallen into broken bits or don't work. Way to too expensive to haul the bits away t the hazardous waste landfills they require. Shell companies playing a NYC street con artist's game while bird carcasses pile up under them and vulture soar looking for their next meal.

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CMCM's avatar

For at least 20 years I have occasionally driven through an area where I can see those turbines....they don't ever seem to be running even though that's in a windy area.

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walk2write's avatar

As usual, big business interests push for legislation and mandates that look good on the surface but obscure the solid reality beneath that will eventually sink small interests’ hopes and dreams of wealth. I disagree with you, though, that “the only farmers making a killing on ethanol are corporate farms.” I happen to be from an area where many individual farmers have profited and continue to profit immensely from the scheme.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Ok well that was a general statement, but there are a lot more profits proportionally going to ADM , POET and Cargill than family farms or co-ops. And they may be 'profiting' but also have lot of debt and capex tied up in the enterprise and thus at greater risk than the big corporates.

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Renee Sommers's avatar

I just spent $900 getting two of my fuel injectors fixed. I only have 65k miles on my car. I’ve moved out of California and can now buy ethanol free gas. My mpg went from 21 to 25.5.

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Angus McPherson's avatar

I am totally with you. I worry about the 2A implications here, and really, filling out a form wrong? In any case, he should not be given prison time for this. In some sense, this charge should have read "Annoying the Deep State by not taking serious all their malarky." It seems pretty clear to me that this trial and its outcome is political theater, and as such, its very difficult to feel good about it one way or another. That it happened at all is deeply concerning.

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Donna in MO's avatar

This happens a lot. I had a research project for a client who was writing a book back in 2020, and courts/prosecutors use this form to go after 'straw purchasers' - that is, people who buy guns in order to resell or give them to someone who is not legally supposed to own a firearm. The question asks whether the person filling out the form is, in fact, the actual buyer of the firearm, and warns: “You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you.” Straw purchasers break the law when they answer “yes” to this question. So then they are prosecuted NOT for giving the gun to a person who is not supposed to have it, but instead for 'lying on the form' as I suppose that is easier to prosecute.

Our local rag also did a write up many years ago (before I finally gave up and cancelled them as they kept marching left) about people who would report guns stolen, but they weren't really stolen, they were given to or sold to felons or someone who wasn't supposed to have the gun. Don't remember the specifics, but remember thinking that the number of stolen guns reported by the PD was surprisingly high.

Bottom line, all this call for 'common sense gun laws' totally ignores human nature. People who want to get around the law will find a way to do it, and it just adds to the paperwork/record keeping burden and liability hassles for legit gun stores.

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Cathy Marlow's avatar

This question on the 4473 is likely due to reactions from “mass shooting” hysteria. Trying to legally stop people from purchasing firearms. Reality is that most criminals don’t legally purchase firearms. What’s crazy about Hunter is that they sent the secret service to the dealer who sold him the gun to try to get the 4473 form from him so there was no evidence. The dealer refused because he could lose his license. They routinely sent the secret service to extract Hunter from some of the crap he did while he was using ( and he didn’t have Secret service protection).

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carily myers's avatar

Thank God for that guy

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Maureen ODH's avatar

🎯

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AB's avatar

Good point

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

The Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trial, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who go after the flesh in its corrupt lust and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they blaspheme glorious ones[.]

— 2 Peter 2:9-10 LSB

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

This is the passage I saved for today's #30Daysof Pride post on fb.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Perfect!

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cp's avatar

I oppose forcible medication of anybody - I doubt this nonsense works, I further doubt it's safe, and - frankly - if he's too nuts to stand trial, so be it. I don't see any benefit to anyone from this.

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Freebird's avatar

I agree. Sad case in point is a man who has attended our church. I don’t know him well, but I believe he’s a victim of our screwed up military and medical systems. He’s retired military and apparently has had some problems, but he’s now in a mental hospital and who knows what kinds of medications they have him on. Read The Midwestern Doctor substack to understand how horrible psychotropic drugs are! They do far more harm than good.

Not so many months ago, this man was leading a Bible study at church, where he openly told the group about his severe vax injury. I’m sure there were some people who thought him absolutely looney because of that. I pray for him.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Now there's a point. Our "President" was not long ago declared too aged to stand trial. Hmmm.....but our justice system is even-handed.

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Carol M.'s avatar

If he was still here, I wonder what Dr. Charles Krauthammer would advise?? He often spoke of how bad it would get when qualified psychiatric docs could no longer hospitalize people like Mr. Dear for a two-week observation (before they harmed anyone).😥

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Erin W's avatar

Medications cannot be mandatory. Everything recalled by the FDA was approved by the FDA. It is a corrupt revolving door between the FDA, big food, and drug manufacturers. Antipsychotics being one of the absolute worst drugs on the market.

Especially when, anecdotally, dietary change seems to have a high efficacy rate, with little side effect.

I mean hell, there’s a gluten-schizophrenic connection. Is it the gluten? The roundup? The gliadin? Other chemicals used in processing? Molds? Fungi? Imbalances of these?

It’s hard to say but if you look around, the majority of mental illnesses, even basic depression and ADHD, have a major food connection. Why we are medicating them as a first line of defense, especially IN KIDS is criminal. Courts should not be able to order anyone to take any medication that exists in our corrupt system. Since any system can be corrupted, it can’t be allowed.

My 2 cents after using dietary intervention instead of meds to deal with a TON of issues that cropped up on active duty. Oddly around the time I got the anthrax series. Another story.

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Carol M.'s avatar

I used to volunteer when my kids were in school. So many little boys were given “meds” because “they can’t sit still”. They were normal boys, just needed more recess breaks! 🙁

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Sherry's avatar

I was told by teachers very often to medicate my 3 sons. I never did! I grew up with big brothers and understood my boys were very normal. They are now well functioning independent adults.

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Carol M.'s avatar

Yay You🤓 I too was lucky to have big brothers🤗

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Sandy's avatar

Kids are saturated with foods and drinks that are filled with artificial colors and flavors. They are made with coal tar and are carcinogenic Dr. Feingold was ahead of his time. https://www.allsimplehealthy.com/the-feingold-diet/

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Carol M.'s avatar

It’s a combination of bad food and no fun exercise outdoors!⚽️🏀🏈⚾️🎾🏐🏒⛸️🛷🎣

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A.J.'s avatar

I volunteered for a couple of years to deal with several grammar school kids all diagnosed "on the spectrum." All they needed was more playground and field time, a few medicine balls to gently bounce and sit on instead of chairs, and adults who weren't discipline mush-jobs. In a coed school all those kids "on the spectrum" were boys. Glad I learned from my father who grew up in a big family about Basic "Ants in the Pants" Boys 101. Out of over 200 students I worked wyjt , only the boys had allergies, ADHD (1 in all coed 30 students, ), etc. Olny one boy couldn't be in a regualr classroom. He had a state-paid aide at his elbow at all times. Could only be in a class room about 5min before starting to scream unconrtrollably. His parents were convnced his being in or near a "regular" classroom would cure him and all he needed were "the very best" teachers.. Likely vaxx injured.

I watched Ritalin arrive at schools and I helped more than one boy get rid of that fiasco. Wish I could have helped more of them.

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Carol M.'s avatar

We often feel we don’t do enough! And yes, so much is coming out about the “baby shots” and SIDS, both being related to death or behavior.🥺

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A.J.'s avatar

I was teaching those kids 24 years ago. Had no clue then about the jab schedule and its injuries. I didn't understand why I was so unsettled seeing peanut allergy signs in every class window and lunch table at grammar schools I'd attended decades beforehand, a time when no kids had nut allergies, inhalers, constant rashes, or a way-to-jittery boy in any class. Had not one clue how many jabs my school district was requiring for its students.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Exactly. More recess breaks and a few more lessons on self-discipline at home will help many more kids become better citizens.

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MaryAnn's avatar

But taking a pill is so much easier than behavior mod. See wegovy.

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Super Happy's avatar

I wholeheartedly agree with you. There is a definite connection between nutrition and mental health. Two excellent books on this topic are "Brain Energy" by Christopher Palmer and "Change Your Diet, Change Your Mind" by Georgia Ede.

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Jamie's avatar

I recently listened to Dr. Palmer on Jorden Peterson podcast! I have been telling ppl this for years, but I didn’t know about him!

I will look into the other person you mentioned too!!!

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Super Happy's avatar

Hi James. Here's an interview with Georgia Ede you might enjoy. https://youtu.be/9Gsq0E2bxNI?si=6vZMXivmKOAi-ZWD

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Freebird's avatar

Erin, great comment! In addition to diet related problems…from personal experience I can attest to the life changing benefits of adequate Vitamin D, preferably from natural sunlight and physical activity. Just taking a 10-15 minute walk every day can make a remarkable difference.

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Erin W's avatar

Agreed. There’s actually a ton of things. Why are we drinking fluoride? Why are we injecting so many babies and toddlers? Why don’t we go outside? Why is recess inconvenient when it makes teaching easier? Why are we using the Prussian school model to begin with? Why so much blue light? Giving screens to kids? Really?

The list is huge. I’m just saying meds can’t be mandated, START with food, and take a hard look at the rest of these things mentioned.

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Robin Landry's avatar

As soon as we see evil clearly, we can be free of it. Every institution is corrupt and does the opposite of what it claims.

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Copernicus's avatar

Yes! Absolutely this!

Look seriously at diet. The allergens often show up as neuro/psych symptoms rather than classic skin or gut symptoms. Look at gut health - 80% of our neurotransmitters are made in our guts and mostly by gut bacteria.

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Freebird's avatar

I feel somewhat bad to usurp Jeff’s comment section with a link from another stack, but this one is a must see. Tucker’s interview with Steve Bannon is epic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGRMp-GkIwo

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Freebird's avatar

And Jeff liked my post, which is why we love him! Jeff is without a doubt one of the most selfless freedom fighters out there. I know he would appreciate and applaud the comments of Bannon in this interview. It was inspiring to hear his brave, clear-minded stance as he talked about ‘the next man up’. I developed a new level of respect for Bannon.

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FH's avatar

Bannon’s War Room is an excellent source for a lot, in particular my understanding of de-dollarization. He drives me nuts yet I applaud his courage and determination. I would be happy to have him as my general.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

i dunno. i think it's just as fun when he "likes" something, but "can't" like it for fear of a digital tattoo....:)

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Donna  P's avatar

Thanks. Love Tucker !

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carily myers's avatar

"Next man up"-I'm ALL in

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Karen Walby Ph. D.'s avatar

Great interview.

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Jamison's avatar

Watched this morning!

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Another warrior calling on Jesus Christ and the next man standing. This is all getting very encouraging.

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DeAnna's avatar

Great interview. Love SKB!

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Christopher Stephens's avatar

Re: Robert Dear. Is everyone in Denver blind to the irony? He attacks an abortion clinic, the home of "my body, my choice", but those who would prosecute him are trying to deny him any level of bodily autonomy by forcing medication on him.

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sunsandwind's avatar

Exactly like "You have to take this jab, your choices don't count."

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carily myers's avatar

The hypocrisy is blinding

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Jeff! Thank you for quoting Marcia Angell! I quoted her in some of my work as well!

My whole argument is that we have to realize that the scientific community is riddled with fraud. I just wrote an article arguing with Matthew Crawford from Rounding the Earth that we have to look at scientific data differently accounting for the amount of fraud that has occurred throughout history: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/metaphysical-terms-in-the-physical

Thanks for posting and calling this out! Greatly appreciated as always!

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J Boss's avatar

It is not just the scientific community. The whole of societal communities are corrupt. The pope is corrupt, for heaven's sake!

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Beth Bart's avatar

Happy good morning C&C peeps 🌞☕️🐣

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Valerie's avatar

Morning Beth!

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Beth Bart's avatar

Morning Val! 😎

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Jeff C's avatar

I know this is silly, but it shows just how scientifically illiterate the media is. Jeff Childers quoted the Telegraph:

"The Telegraph ran a muted story yesterday headlined, “June temperatures at half the level of this time last year.”

Then it shows a plot where last years temperature was 32 deg C and this years temp is 16 deg C. Sixteen degrees is not "half the level" of 32 degrees. They are both on a scale where 0 degrees has been arbitrarily assigned to when water freezes. You cannot apply relative percentage levels to arbitrarily assigned scales.

If they wanted to do that then they would need to reference it to absolute zero which is not arbitrary but absolute by definition as it's when all molecular action ceases. Converting them to that scale, last years temp was 305 Kelvin, and this years temp was 289 Kelvin. So this years temp is 94.7% of last years temp.

Like I said, it's silly but it's yet another example how those supposedly qualified to inform us have no idea what they are talking about.

Edit: Adding a note here that this may seem nitpicky but it really isn't. Anyone who paid attention in high school physics would understand that the Telegraph is obviously misapplying percentages here in their description. It was probably done flippantly without much thought, but that's the point. If one's job is to inform the public, then conveying information accurately is important. But as we've seen over and over, most journalists aren't the brightest bulbs and getting things right isn't their highest priority.

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Tom's avatar

This is a brilliant observation. The lack of understanding of thermodynamics is being used to mask events like Hunga-Tonga (if that's it's real name) and the role of heating that volcanos play. If ocean floor temperatures hit new peaks before atmospheric temperatures, then what, exactly is doing the heating? It's not carbon dioxide trapping sunlight.

But we'll never see that raw data, because it would destroy the narrative for the few who could possibly understand it.

The narrative-pushers are relying on the scientific ignorance of the populace.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Nice breakdown. Logic and real science need to make a comeback, and the MSM needs a loud and thorough shredding.

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TB's avatar

Good point, I didn't even notice that. I think on a popular level, most of the audience will understand them as intended (ie: "the numerical temperature value in deg. C this year is half of what it was this time last year", or put another way "this year's temperature is half way to freezing compared to last year"), but it's indeed not technically correct, and even somewhat misleading. Still, I'm less concerned about a newspaper doing this, as opposed to something that claims to be a scientific publication.

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Jeff C's avatar

You are right in that if they has said half-way to freezing it would be accurate. But who talks like that? I don't think they meant that but probably never gave it a second's thought and actually meant 16 degrees was half of 32 degrees. 16/32 = 1/2, right? No.

There are lot's of non-technically oriented people out there and I don't mean to belittle them. And I'm not suggesting the Telegraph should have said it was 94.7% of last years temp (using Kelvin) it would have been just as absurd as no one thinks about the weather relative to absolute zero (though it would have been accurate). They should have just stated it was 16 degrees cooler than last year and left it at that.

My bigger point is that the world gets increasingly complex every day and we are constantly bombarded with figures and statistics from allegedly smart people intended to influence us. We peons are supposed to make decisions based on this info coming down from the experts. Yet as this article shows, the writer didn't understand 12th grade physics and misapplied a statistical description (percentage) in describing the phenomena. This likely happens far more often than not.

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RebeccaGrrrl's avatar

Excellent point- thank you!

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LuAnne's avatar

That clip of Biden brings back unpleasant memories for me. My father suffered with Alzheimer's for several years. Once my dad entered the later stages, he displayed this same frozen state and often, with the same grin or smile. It felt like he was off in his own little world completely unaware of anything going on around him. Distraction was a useful method in earlier stages but as he declined, it lost its power.

I noticed Biden’s dementia signs early on in his presidency. Someone on X posted side by side videos of Biden yesterday. One video was from 2019 and the other a recent video. The differences are dramatic. I can only imagine how many behind the scenes people are needed to care for him. It's a 24/7 job.

Edit: unless they plan to do a remake of "Weekend at Bernie's", there's no way Biden can do another 4 yrs. While I believe they've been heavily medicating him, there are no meds

available to recover cognitive loss.

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JW's avatar

I watched my mother do the freeze frame often also. Starring but with nobody home. Very sad to watch.

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J Boss's avatar

If they find a way to cheat him back for another term, he will simply vanish. We all already know he's just a marionette completely uninvolved. They will simply drop the charade.

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LMWC's avatar

I just read a local journalist who formed his own locals to publish the news without bias. He interviewed a state police expert who said to always call the gun you legally own, your firearm. Never refer to it a weapon. It only becomes a weapon when you do bodily harm to another human being. A kitchen knife becomes that same weapon when you use it against another human to harm. After reading the New Orleans court verdict about drug users right to own a “weapon” it became clear that the media is once again using specific language to change perception.

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Guy White's avatar

I absolutely concur with the police expert’s advice. As Rush always said, words mean things. “Weapon” is a term with specific meaning, distinctly separate from purpose especially when it comes to firearms. In other words, firearms are designed with a purpose — to shoot small projectiles at high velocity — but their use as a “weapon” depends on the intent of the user. Walk the aisles of your local Wal-Mart or hardware store and you’ll find an endless array of POTENTIAL weapons readily available and capable of inflicting the same degree of bodily harm as a firearm, or worse (knives can cause particularly grievous wounds). It’s why the media talk of “gun violence” is so infuriating. Guns don’t cause criminal behavior, people do.

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LMWC's avatar

Exactly! Michigan’s governor declared June 7, Michigan gun violence day. Not gun safety day, or gun awareness day, but gun violence day, once again implying that we have to restrict guns in order to stop the violence. Pretty soon we’ll have so many objectionable state and federal days, no one in government will work any longer, not that they do now…

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A.J.'s avatar

All the government peeps who prefer to work remotely, see the public only by appointment, and are able to skip work entirely most Fridays... I deal with lots of such city and county gov workers and try hard not to tell them they are soon RIP being so well-jabbed. I often silently say them, "Rest in Peace" as I try to give them a loving smile. When "enough" of the deluded fear-porn addicts who started and perpetuated this disaster die off the survivors will see what happens.

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