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More Louisiana news:

ā€œRep Chuck Owen has introduced HR214, a resolution to urge and request Attorney General Liz Murrill "to investigate whether Pfizer, Inc., Moderna, Inc., Johnson & Johnson, and associated entities violated any state or federal laws while operating in the state of Louisiana with regard to the promotion, distribution, or sale of COVID-19 vaccines or vaccine boosters."

It’s a step in the right direction and from what I have heard about the AG she is likely to follow through.

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Robin's avatar

I wonder if there is precedence set in lying about the clot shots. Much like the tobacco companies lying about nicotine. Can states sue to recover costs like they did with big tobacco? Also, all tobacco commercials were stopped due to the harm of tobacco on human health. Can we stop big harma from advertising?

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Bandit's avatar

"...stop big harma from advertising?" Oh, please! Please! Please! šŸ¤žšŸ™ I'm soooo sick of their ads I could just puke!

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

A few years back (can't remember exactly how many šŸ˜‚), I saw a commercial for XYZ drug, "Ask your doctor about ****, blah, blah, blah." The very next commercial was for some law firm, asking, "Have you or a loved one been harmed by drug XYZ? If so, call our law offices at 555-123-4567." I was shocked that the TV station put the ads back to back, and in that order.

Still waiting for the ads asking, "Have you or someone you love been injured or killed by a COVID 19 jab?"

Mrs. "the Knife"

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Bandit's avatar

I know! It's pretty amazing, but also VERY funny when they do that!

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Carol M.'s avatar

(In Dan Ackroid’s voice:) If you feel like puking, then you need the latest pill from pharmašŸ˜œšŸ˜‚Just Kidding, I am with you! I talk back to the commercials now and drive my family crazy! 🤪

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NotaBot's avatar

Honest question: why are people even still watching tv? Is it a generational habit

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Carol M.'s avatar

We love the old (1980’s and back) shows! šŸ“ŗ

And sports!āš¾ļøšŸˆšŸ€šŸ’

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Nancy Benedict's avatar

My husband and I have taken to watching old westerns. We are currently watching Wyatt Earp.

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NotaBot's avatar

I admit to enjoying old Mission impossible shows (despite the interventionism!) and The A Team but i find them on another country’s YouTube type site -no ads

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Garden Lover's avatar

Honestly, I like the talent shows like American Idol, but I don’t really watch much else. And I ignore all the politics they push. But, to be honest, other than the whole LGBTQIA+ stuff, they don’t really talk any politics. And a number of their contestants this year were Christian. Their finale included the gospel singer CC Winans, which I was a bit surprised by but thought was interesting.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

I do the same thing. Guy on TV, "I'm getting vaccinated with Prevnar-13!" Me, "Nice knowing you!"

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rolandttg's avatar

Big Pharma aired its first ad in 1983, and was given full permission in 1985. Prior to that, they were not allowed. I might be wrong, but I believe only one other country allows prescription drug ads on TV

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

You are correctemundo, Roland--the other country that permits pharma to "push" its wares is NEW ZEALAND - and we know how their populace fared during the SCAMdemic.

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Bones's avatar

Don’t worry, there’s a vaccine that will prevent your nausea🤣🤣

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Vonu's avatar

Nausea is a symptom, not a disease.

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Wendy Lemmel's avatar

I wonder if there is one to cure your lack of sense of humor?

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Vonu's avatar

Your sense of humor probably overrides your sense of reality on a regular basis.

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Garden Lover's avatar

Considering how most of medicine treats the symptom rather than the disease, I’d say yes.

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MOMinator's avatar

Your point is…?

Rockefeller medicine is alllll about treating symptoms.

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Vonu's avatar

All medicine taught at an AMA-approved medical school is about selling medicine and medical procedures, not treating anything.

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Fla Mom's avatar

And yet multiple medications have been developed to prevent and treat it. Would it be surprising to hear of a 'vaccine' for it? Not these days.

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Vonu's avatar

The more benign and common conditions the pharmaceutical industry can turn into "treatable" diseases, the more money they can make off of ineffective and expensive drugs to market.

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GenEarly's avatar

Somebody must want to Get all those Adverse Reactions advertised ....... Perhaps as much as 20% +? of a populace is knowingly or "unknowingly" seeking to die off ahead of schedule.

What was the % again that Complied with getting Experimentally VaXXXed???

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ROKM's avatar

I love the one about hot flashes. At the end it says that a 'side effect' may be HOT FLASHES!!!! hahahaha

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Ellen's avatar

I think it was @ 70% - I've seen 24-34% numbers bandied about for the not vaxxed against covid. hard to be sure.

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Nancy Benedict's avatar

It would be a game changer. Congress needs to get on that NOW!

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rowantree's avatar

I enjoy the pharma ads, they're hilarious.

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Gabriella's avatar

Especially the musical choreographed ones. Also love how the actors in the ads are SO happy. Not showing any signs of the side effects. Ha! What a joke!

If people can’t see the brainwashing of Big Pharma by these ads, they must be complete non thinking sheep.

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Ellen's avatar

I remember seeing my first Coke ads - I grew up without a TV (on purpose) so it was a shock. All these people having way more fun in 60 seconds than I'd seemingly had in my whole (teenage) life!

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Carol M.'s avatar

ā€œI’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmonyā€¦ā€ it’s the real thing, Coca-Cola🄤those were the daysšŸ˜Ž

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rowantree's avatar

I just like to count the side effects lol.

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RunningLogic's avatar

And how fast they have to talk in order to manage to list them all šŸ˜†

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IsItJustMe's avatar

"I'm so sick of their ads I could just puke" But there's a pill for that! Side effects, of course, are worse than the symptoms...

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L  Young's avatar

I was exposed to a Pfizer add about 6 months ago. Happy children running in dappled sunlight chasing dogs with frisbees. Women opening picnic baskets. People on bicycles laughing and smiling. It depicted such a rich and vibrant community of healthy interacting folks that I started paying attention to see how I too could have a part of this glorious Utopia . Then the voice over said

ā€œPfizerā€ followed by some syrupy crap about how all they care about is getting us back to normal. For a hundredth of a second I actually thought ā€œOh no I’ve believed a terrible lie! Pfizer is not a greedy corporate entity with no soul but a dedicated group of benevolent and caring individuals. Then I snapped back to earth. It actually scared me.

It actually made me question my reality. Powerful stuff.

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

There may be subliminals in these ads, words or images flashing too quickly, for a few frames, that the conscious mind can't register. Long ago, this used to be illegal. There were books about it, and rumors, like how it supposedly says "sex" in Abraham Lincoln's beard on the five dollar bill. Not only do I doubt that it is still illegal, but now it is no doubt exponentially enhanced to thwack you in the deepest most vulnerable parts of your brain, and to attack your right brain, which has trouble telling the difference between real and fake images. This is a really cool skill when you are reading a novel, how you can both be present in your chair, in your life and be in the world of the novel at the same thing, a neurocharm, but it makes us really vulnerable to the power of images, even if not saturated with subliminals.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Creepy! This idea explains a lot. The most brainwashed people I know continue to watch ad sponsored t.v. routinely, starting out with one of the MSM morning shows.

I have not watched t.v. in decades and I think most reading here have likewise distanced themselves.

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Verve's avatar

I can't watch TV anymore - just old people products, fast food and pharmaharma ads. Ask your friends what kind of ads they see - your tv is spying on you and curating ads based on your age - I kid you not. There are ways to turn off the spying. Also, nobody should have a TV in their bedroom - that's just creepy as hell. https://www.consumerreports.org/electronics/privacy/how-to-turn-off-smart-tv-snooping-features-a4840102036/

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

That reminded me of the film ā€œPoltergeist,ā€ and I made the mistake of googling it. What reality is in store for our desensitized culture? Here’s a hot newcomer: ā€œLittle Demon is a new adult supernatural animated comedy series about Chrissy, the 13-year-old daughter of Satan.ā€ It’s just a cartoon. Moms and dads will watch it with their kids. Silly little me wanted to join McHale’s Navy. We must repeat, repeat, repeat for our kids and grandkids: ā€œWhatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such thingsā€ (Philippians 4:8).

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rolandttg's avatar

The little girl in Poltergeist was child sacrificed. I think it was McCauley Calkin that was being given the hard sell by some producer, and at some point, pointed to his red leather (dead giveaway) shoes and made reference to her. She supposedly died in a week from some ailment that takes years to kill

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MaryAnn's avatar

And cover the camera lens on your computer.

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Bandit's avatar

Cover both of them on your phone!

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Anna T's avatar

I'm still using a desktop on Win7 Home Pro from 2005. It doesn't have a camera! :)

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Tracy's avatar

What's creepy is whenever I Google a product or service a commercial inevitably runs on tv. So it seems my phone search is triggering commercials. Anyone else or am I just losing my mind and seeing things that are not happening? 🤪

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Verve's avatar

Happens to me a lot - yes, your phone search is triggering commercials -- also your phone is listening to your TV and you'll get ads on your phone from the TV. Plus, if you are talking, it picks up what you're saying and runs commercials on that. Find out how to turn this off with your remote in settings.

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Bandit's avatar

Thanks for that link. I don't have internet. I only have my smart phone. Can my TV still spy on me?

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Verve's avatar

Depends on how old your TV is - Do you have cable? Most TV's these days are considered "smart" TVs and you can go into your "settings" using your remote and turn off/toggle off the settings that listen in as well as ad settings. Your phone, if it's a smart phone, is actually your internet and your phone is basically a computer. It's crazy because sometimes I will watch a movie on Prime and my PHONE is listening in and then I'll see ads for various things on my phone later - as well as ads for very specific things that I may be talking about on my phone or with my spouse. I recently completed a 4 month course in a very specific field and my TV showed an ad for the very specific company that I have *never* ever seen before -- it would never be on a regular ad rotation.

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nancylee's avatar

wouldn't and haven't had a tv in my house in 40 + years. I could feel the subliminal back then. can only imagine how powerful they are not.

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Fla Mom's avatar

A woman I met at a medical meeting one time said she didn't have a TV. I asked her why not, and she said, "Because I watch it." Wise. (We haven't had a TV for most of our adult lives, either; one of the best decisions we ever made.)

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RunningLogic's avatar

Same here. The only time we’ve had one was in a sublet for about a year and we decided after that we didn’t want or need one.

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Vonu's avatar

My last television was stolen in 1987 and I haven't missed it.

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Ellen's avatar

I remember studying that subliminal advertising in school. It was real. Shouldn't be now, but who knows.

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Vonu's avatar

It has become endemic.

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Ripple's avatar

Way back in the 70's I read a book called Subliminal Seduction by one Wilson Bryan Key. Among other things he claimed that the word "sex" was inscribed in Ritz crackers. He also claimed that the song Bridge Over Troubled Waters was about getting a heroin fix. I just couldn't take any of it seriously.

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Vonu's avatar

Television doesn't have frames anymore, just pixels.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Yet, they have their ways of adjusting to technological advances.

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rolandttg's avatar

Watch the podcast Clif High put out yesterday. It was the first one in a long time that actually had video and not just voice. He went over how MK Ultra subjects are conditioned. Aluminum Oxide is the key ingredient, along with electromagnetic waves (think smart phones, 5g, etc) . Ionic vibration is used, and as you know, aluminum oxide is the main ingredient in chem trails. Also strontium and barium , which also vibrate highly. With this, they no longer need physical access to you to mind control you. They target certain organs and glands in the brain. The main target of the aluminum oixide is the hippocampus. What it does is compromise your declarative memory, allowing them to overwrite it with anything they want ie. there are not just 2 genders. He explains it in much more detail than this obviously, and even that is very simplified as he says. They are trying to mind control all of us;. Also , aluminum oxidize is a major cause of Alzheimers.

Must watch.

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Vonu's avatar

Adapting to technological advances requires, to begin with, a firm grasp of the relevant terminology, with layman are usually very reticent to bother acquiring.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I had a similar experience many years ago, when Camel cigarettes came out with a cartoon version of the camel. I saw it on a billboard as I drove by, as yet unaware of what it was, but it was so cute it drew my attention and I thought of how cute it was; then I saw what it really was, and I literally gasped and my mouth hung open, that I, whose mother was killed because she smoked, could be so attracted to a cigarette company mascot. I think they later had to stop using the image, because it was said to particularly attract children. Imagine doing that for a living.

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Ripple's avatar

I'll take Spuds McKenzie over Dylan Mulvaney. Not that I would ever drink Bud Light.

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Vonu's avatar

I can't imagine you doing anything worthwhile for a living.

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KBB's avatar

You are a really mean person. This forum is not welcoming to mean people.

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Vonu's avatar

I wouldn't be so mean if you would stop bullying me.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I agree, that remark was completely uncalled for and nasty šŸ˜•

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Fla Mom's avatar

Praying for you, Vonu. I'm sorry you're such an unhappy person; I really am.

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Vonu's avatar

One has to be highly schizophrenic to be happy in such an unhappy world.

Fortunately I don't need your psychotic pity.

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Verve's avatar

Vonu that's so weird - are you making a (bad) joke or are you a troll? How about deleting and I won't report it.

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Vonu's avatar

Report away, Adolf.

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N Springer's avatar

Pulls out $5 bill…..

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Jay Horton's avatar

...and still can't find sex for $5.00. HA!

Later Jay

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Leo's avatar

They've got the $$ to hire the best PR firms.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

I see them all the time on facebook. I leave a snarky comment..haven't seen any in a while.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yeah I think that if one AG starts this and others join, there could be several different angles to work from.

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Doug's avatar

Screw "states" recovering costs... What about individuals? Families who have lost loved ones, or people who have been debilitated?

Class-action suits by the vaccine-damaged and the vaccine-murdered.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Once the ball starts rolling though, it could pave the way for more.

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Jay Horton's avatar

I'm not hold my breath. Only folks collecting on Vax Court money are lawyers working for big firms that burn through the bucks and provide little else except the yearly request for the same information/med records you sent them the year before.

Don't say get another firm: how many and how big -do you go through.

Later Jay

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For years, I appealed to elected representatives to enact a law forbidding Pharma to advertise their products on TV. To no avail. I was much younger then and didn’t realize the power of lobby groups and funneling money to politicians. Bloviating ā€œelectedā€ representatives/politicians always responded with their pat answer: ā€œfree speech allows Pharma to advertise their wares.ā€ I haven’t watched TV in years but I’m certain Pharma - now Big Pharma - is still plugging their wares on the tele! I used to bristle with two things in the TV ads: ā€œplease talk to your doctor about this drugā€ and ā€œthe fast-talking warning at end of commercial citing ā€˜side effects.ā€™ā€ One day very soon, big Pharma will be held accountable for their crimes against humanity. So many folks are now wise to their shenanigans.

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rolandttg's avatar

The main purpose of Big Pharma is Not to influence individuals. They already have the doctors who must prescribe these toxins. The real purpose is to control / own the narrative on TV by being the 800 pound gorilla in the room. And they do own the media through this devious methodology.

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RunningLogic's avatar

That was awesome! Love to hear people question like this! Good for him!!

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

And his congregation!

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Valerie's avatar

I love your line of thinking… great idea.

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Vonu's avatar

We can stop anyone from advertising after the First Amendment is revoked.

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Mark St's avatar

Depends on the method of advertising. If it's broadcast, there's long standing precedent for the government to impose limits.

I think the AGs could get some wins by suing over deceptive advertising for the covid shots. I don't recall ever seeing the typical "possible side effects" jargon so common to other pharma ads on TV.

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Vonu's avatar

There is a big difference between limits and regulations.

There is no need to mention the side affects of pharmaceuticals that are not approved but distributed under EUAs.

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Sunlover's avatar

Which most people still do not understand, but should have been clearly stated. Of course that might have actually been a big enough red flag to wake up a larger group of sleepy people that what was being peddled as safe and effective, may not have been as much for CoVid, but another agenda.

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In 1976, my RN mother talked me into getting a Swine flu shot with her. Later that day, I developed the most severe pain I'd ever felt in my lower left back, and she took me to the hospital. After spending the night in the hospital with a decreasing Valium drip following a diagnosis of Guillain-Barre syndrome, the next morning I was waiting next to the nurse's station for my mother to finish a consult with the attending and releasing physician. The head nurse told me that I should consider myself lucky to be alive, because they'd had patients come in with less severe symptoms than mine that went to the morgue, and that I should never take another vaccine. I have followed that nurse's advice faithfully.

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Bryan Dair's avatar

But they technically can not advertise an experimental EUA product,

but they either just completely ignored the rules, or they found some

way to get around them.

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Vonu's avatar

When did they advertise unapproved pharmaceuticals?

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Vonu's avatar

The AGs have never been on the people's side.

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Kim's avatar

I think it will be ā€œtheyā€ can stop anyone (us) from advertising after the First Amendment is revoked.

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Vonu's avatar

Which will immediately precede the first real American civil war.

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Teresa Parmenter's avatar

My God that would be a miracle! The only commercials are Big Pharma and Junk Food. Makes me sick

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

We are dealing with a HUGE 'partnership in purpose' with "huge pharma" and "technocrats", "globalists" and "government potentates" - and this is the GIANT that WE THE PEOPLE as "David" must SHOOT THE SLINGSHOT into. Do not think that ANY government official will go after this "putrid partnership" - it will be up to DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS who form consortiums ALL OVER THE WORLD to DEMAND justice to the permanently injured--those whose deaths were hastened--and our FUTURE generations - our young people who are STILL being 'encouraged' to take the bioweapon 'vaccine'!!

The "nicotine peddlars" were not acting in concert with all of the powerful groups that we are now encountering with bioweapon illnesses and the accompanying "cures". WE THE PEOPLE are "on our own" friends....best to pick and choose how you PUSH BACK against this onslaught--because that is what it IS!

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Go Louisiana! Come on Florida!

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Jay Horton's avatar

Yeah, what's up with the delay. I figure we should be getting out the ropes and making knots by now but...... wait for it, ......crickets...

Later Jay

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Willing Spirit's avatar

It concerns me that with a Republican stacked legislative and executive branch, Florida is not moving in really critical areas. With a huge influx of newcomers fleeing blue states, I truly hope politicians aren’t feeling they need to consider how they will likely vote. I am not optimistic that these blue state people have learned anything.

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Jay Horton's avatar

Agreed, I guess we will wait and see but I don't like the slow erosion rights and other things that I consider "real America" in other places and darn sure don't want it here at my front door.

Later Jay

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FourWinds's avatar

I will throw a full blown block party if someone manages to successfully file suit and win against a pharma company over the scamdemic. I am not holding my breath, though. There are some evil, evil people behind the scamdemic.

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Credenda's avatar

I don’t know where you live but I want to come! (as long as it’s not Portland).

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RunningLogic's avatar

I’ll come to your party! 😁

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Paige Green's avatar

I think there are fraud cases in the works, but if a state wins a huge settlement I would hope it would be used to help those residents that suffered injury or death.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Update: unfortunately, the resolution was killed in committee šŸ˜• Too many still wanting to protect the pharmaceutical industry apparently!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

It's another reason I like this substack, as it's good we are tacking the Scamdemic with these daily discussions.

I'm hopeful to be reading in future editions about how the prosecution of Pfizer and Fauci is going...

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John infinity N's's avatar

So reading through it says Zantac contained NDMA which is a known carcinogen. Recently I found where the CDC lists some ingredients for most vaccines, listing formaldahyde in many of them. Formaldahyde is a known carcinogen as well even wikipedia says so, so why arent the people who are suing over zantac not suing over vaccines also?

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Because they were granted immunity against lawsuits

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rolandttg's avatar

All US baked goods used to contain the trace mineral iodine, which is absolutely vital for all chemical reactions in the body. The main repository of it is in your thyroid. It was replaced in the '90's by potassium bromate, a halide , like flouride, that displaces iodine from the thyroid. Potassium bromate is an endocrine disruptor and a carcinogen, but it softened the dough and makes it more squishy, and ages the flour much quicker than open air.

It is banned in Canada, Brazil, China, Europe, and other countries. Think the FDA , CDC, or anyone in government cares about formaldehyde?

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Credenda's avatar

Thanks for that information. It’s another reason to avoid processed food. Iodine is an essential trace element. I get mine from eating wakami, a Japanese sea vegetable gathered in certified seawaters. It’s tasty and nutritious but probably wouldn’t catch on here.

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rolandttg's avatar

So long as you get it. We use Dr. Tennant's Lugol Iodine plus, with selenium and zinc. I had hyperthyroidism (not the Much more common hypothyroidism) which Dr. Tennant cured holistically . In 3 months , my TSH went from undetectable to normal, and my high T3 and T4 both moved to mid range. Endocrinologist would have cut it out or poisoned it with radioactive iodine, and put me on Levothyroxine (synthetic T4) for life,. Only Lipitor is more widely prescribed.

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kara's avatar

I take iodine daily, and it has changed my mammogram results over the past few years. (Prior to this, I was getting false positives repeatedly.) I will be checking out Dr. Tennant's product. Thank you!

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Credenda's avatar

Where do you get it? I don’t have thyroid problems but I’m interested in selenium and zinc. I remember learning about Lugol’s solution years ago in nursing school. It has fallen into disuse because of Pharma I guess.

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rolandttg's avatar

No. Know your source. Buy local. Do not buy Any chain bread, including Panera. I have spoken to both of my local bakers. One already does everything organic, the other started using organic ingredients for me for one type of bread she makes.

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FedUpInOR's avatar

Look up Ronald Reagan’s 1986 vaccine act

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N Springer's avatar

That’s why they fought so hard to get it on the childhood schedule. Only jabs on the schedule are immune. I believe the PREP act also confers immunity from liability.

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I can't "like" (button turned off 6 days ago) but I LIKE this comment.

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CHop's avatar

$250 million is nothing to the $100 billion they made the past 3 years

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Yep, factored in as the price of doing business.

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Long Enough?'s avatar

Of course they will settle; most of the litigants are probably dead by now.

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Brenda Ping's avatar

Zantac has been on market for 41 years according to your article link. Let’s pray it does not take that long for the Covid jab-damaged to recover some costs.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I might be mistaken but I think I remember reading that it was only once it was manufactured in China that the carcinogens were found in the product. Which would not surprise me but I have to check to see if that is correct or if I am misremembering.

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Dianna b's avatar

Absolutely, went to visit my Mom in hospital yesterday, advent health, Orlando. Big bold signs in lobby, "we were No. 1 in early covid treatment " Advent health has also gone full DEI policies in hiring and employment. In 2020, all the people I know that was admitted to that hospital, died. They also have big signs asking if you are up to date on your vaccines. A column for kids, adults and seniors. What went through my mind was, this is pure evil.

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Verve's avatar

You would think that Surgeon General Ladapo could start dismantling this medical hospital framework of lies. I'm in FL as well and just sick about the chokehold they have on doctors who can't practice medicine they way they intended to - at least the doctors over age 45. Some are waking up thanks to Dr. John Littell, but the majority were jabbed and now I fear for their lives - we need good, ethical doctors. Orlando is pretty liberal compared to the rest of the state but still...

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rolandttg's avatar

No, thank the Rockefellers and Carnegies. In 1913 they commissioned a school teacher named Alexander Flexner to compile a report that was a hit piece on all non allopathic types of medicine . It was called the Flexner Report. In quick order, ayuverdic, Eastern, holistic, acupuncture, chiropractic, herbalist, and all other types of healing that were common in the day were demonized, and relegated to quack status. They then took control of the medical schools by funding them and regulators and government officials by buying them , and the media through massive advertising.

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Jay Horton's avatar

And we see the same occurring in our lives today as the billionaire class and their ilk press for more control and exert influence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-0lAhnoDlU

Later Jay

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RunningLogic's avatar

They did the same thing to midwives. Even though midwives’ knowledge about birth and labor was vastly superior to that of the ā€œcut and drugā€ obstetricians.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Can you get your Mom into a different hospital that is NOT a part of the "huge lie", Dianna?

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Dianna b's avatar

She's out of hospital. There are only two choices in this area...neither would be my choice. But thank you!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I understand!! Was 'brainstorming', Dianna.

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Momcat's avatar

if theynwere #1 in early covid treatment, were they #1 in deaths??

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RunningLogic's avatar

I would agree with that!

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Where is Ochsner based?

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

I drove through lousianna post Katrina. I hated it.

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A.I. is ā€œmoral and ethicalā€ in the same way mRNA vaccines are ā€œsafe and effectiveā€.

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FourWinds's avatar

If one has to say one is moral and ethical and keep repeating it, bets are that they are neither.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

"Ethics" systems vary. A lot. Philosophical varieties have been debated since the dawn of man. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle. Many systems of ethics contemplated.

Today we generally classify all of the many systems under three broad umbrellas: Kantian, Virtue and Utilitarian.

The first two are systems of ethics that most of us think of when we hear the word, 'ethics.' How we aspire to treat and be treated by others. Utilitarianism is the ethics system that most in power today ascribe to. "The greater good" ethics. Under utilitarianism lying in service to a "greater good" is ethical, to be expected.

All of the pandemic lies that have been and continue to be exposed are "ethical" under utilitarianism. As long as they can say more were helped than hurt it's ethical! Same for election fraud and lawfare to "protect us from Trump." Same for attacks on democratic systems to 'save' democratic systems. Same for all of the abuses and assaults on us. Serves a 'greater good' - ethical!

Of course not having the evidence to prove more were helped than hurt lets their assertions stand. Stalin's "sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette" was a declaration of utilitarian ethics. By 'eggs' he meant 'skulls.'

I'm not an ethicist. There's a lot out there who know more about the field than I do. I first explored the subject in 2021 as I was making sense of why every authority got it so wrong and failed to correct course when it was obvious they needed to.

There's many subsets of specialized ethics. I first focused on Bioethics. It's a field of word salads that rationalize and justify every authoritarian impulse of the state. It's a global set of shared ethics. It's the ethics of a parasitic overlord class that seeks to secure its supremacy over all of society for themselves and their heirs. Most are eugenicists, believing their legacies will forever rule atop other men. And most are Atheists. Many not choosing to use that term, preferring "Humanist" for practical reasons in a world that still has large faith communities. Believing man is supreme. The worship of man. And man's inventions. Like AI and social-behavioral sciences, to keep lesser men in their place. Ethically!

Language matters. Words. Lawyers like Jeff and politicians work is entirely about words. And what they mean. And when we make assumptions about what a word means we often miss the true intentions behind them.

Clever linguistics are the refuge of many scoundrels. Those who do us harm. Lying to us for a 'greater good.' When the only good that's really greater to them is their wealth, power, privilege, prestige and status. And under utilitarianism they go to bed at night soundly after committing great harm and evil, believing themselves ethical.

And we allow them their comfortable sleep and conscience by not questioning what *type* of ethical system they are guided by. That doesn't have our best interests in mind.

We must challenge their system of ethics. Just saying they aren't ethical isn't enough when their system tells them otherwise.

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RunningLogic's avatar

ā€œLying to us for a 'greater good.' When the only good that's really greater to them is their wealth, power, privilege, prestige and status.ā€

šŸŽÆšŸŽÆšŸŽÆ

Utilitarianism might more accurately be called ā€œwhatever benefits *me* the most disguised as helping othersā€ ism šŸ˜‘

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Padrig's avatar

Morals: mid-14c., "associated with or characterized by right behavior," also "associated with or concerning conduct or moral principles" (good or bad), from Old French moral (14c.) and directly from Latin moralis "proper behavior of a person in society," literally "pertaining to manners," coined by Cicero ("De Fato," II.i) to translate Greek ethikos (see ethics)

Ethics: "the science of morals," c. 1600, plural of Middle English ethik "study of morals" (see ethic). The word also traces to Ta Ethika, title of Aristotle's work

Upon awakening, I found the study of Etymology to be the best use of time.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Under the ethics and morals of these jabbers it is right and proper for a person in society to take the jab. Moral. Ethical. Under *their* system of ethics.

Note: Stalin, Hitler and Mao ALL believed they were ethical in their governance. And so did those who served them. One doesn't work for those they believe to be deeply unethical. They could only stay in power to do what they did because others who defined what was right and proper behavior in their societies thought they were moral and ethical.

Their "science" of ethics was deeply flawed. As is The Science (TM) and ethics of leaders today. Same word. Different understanding of its meaning.

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J_in_Ontario's avatar

I have the same thoughts on Utilitarianism. I took one philosophy course in university and couldn't put my finger on why Utilitarianism just "felt wrong" to me, but after seeing all the things done "for the greater good" it became a lot clearer that Utilitarianism allows evil to pretend to be good.

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I understand. My impulses are to cast utilitarianism on the ash heap of history for all of the harms that have been and continue to be done under that system of ethics. But it's complicated.

Medical triage on a battlefield or after a disaster is an exercise in utlitarianism. Limited resources limits care, some left to die to save more who can live with what is available. When rivers rise and farms and small towns are flooding do authorities release water downstream and flood cities below the dam? Are lives of a few soldiers to be sacrificed to save a larger force or strategic land? New technology like self-driving cars is being programmed with utilitarian ethics in their algorithms. If a collision is unavoidable is the car and driver to be saved or sacrificed? Are the number of those at risk to be first ascertained, then decided on which course the vehicle takes? Are the ages of those affected by the decision to be a part of the calculation? Old or young valued more? Are those lives with a higher "status" given more weight? One is a town mayor, the other is a town drunk or derelict? Determined by implantable chip (coming attractions).

AI is being programmed with ethics for these types of real-world applications of ethical dilemmas. And they will be weighted under Utilitarian constructs, not Kantian or Virtue. Which are much harder to quantify, to 'science.' Because Kantian and Virtue ethics are based more in morality and humility; they are based in wisdom. And science is a poor substitute for wisdom. As Fauci's declaration that "I am science" reveals. Whatever science he may possess, or fakes, he completely lacks wisdom.

Note: Anthony Fauci's wife, Christine Grady, is the National Institute of Health's Chief Bioethicist. And she has declared that everything that her husband has done is ethical! Under utilitarian ethics:

https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a32715031/fauci-christine-grady-nih-covid

Christine Grady, aka Mrs. Fauci, wrote about how ethical it is to mandate injections of experimental biotechnology!:

https://thenationalpulse.com/archive-post/fauci-wife-authors-paper-supporting-vaccine-pressure-campaigns

The guidance paper in her own hand:

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1057/s41271-022-00347-9.pdf

And anybody questioning Fauci's ethics or a conflict of interest with her work and his work is just a hater! They are above reproach, ethical beyond question!:

https://youtu.be/pf2cVoP5mRs?si=Dh1xNxq5yZn1qAEh

Just know that the Fauci's internal ethical compass isn't informed by God or any other higher authority. He has no use for God or any other higher authority:

https://ijr.com/anthony-fauci-claims-no-longer-needs-church-personal-ethics-enough/

Mrs. Anthony Fauci, aka Christine Grady's ethics are the Utilitarian variety, i.e. lies in service to a greater good - as they assert is good - are ethical! What atheists believe. Atheists will often hide behind the word term "humanist" for public consumption. The Fauci's actually publicly have declared, they're "good without god." Note the article's lower case "g" as an intentional irreverence:

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/07/01/dr-anthony-fauci-named/

There's even entire religions that are "good without god," like the interfaith ones:

https://www.interfaithamerica.org/article/dr-anthony-fauci-named-2021-humanist-of-the-year/

We get the 'ethics' of God-less people when we allow God-less people into positions of authority over us. And the rationale for Utilitarian ethics as I began this comment with is logical, there are many reasons why leaders will need to apply that system. But what is lacking in the application of Utilitarian ethics by leaders today is faith in God. Without that humility and submission to a power greater than man decisions over the fates of other men are not and cannot be wise; the decider becomes the highest power, a god unto themselves. And this is the well that tyranny springs from. The only possible remedy I see is to prohibit Atheists from positions of power. Which has its own constitutional hurdles to overcome. I just don't know another way. But I'm open to ideas, discussion.

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Jay Horton's avatar

"Clever linguistics are the refuge of many scoundrels." yes, it the proverbial rope that we will end up hanging ourselves with. I see many instances of our laws being used against us as a result of these sorts of twists and word-chicanery.

Later Jay

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Jenn's avatar

Thank you Freedom Fox for this post!

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Clever linguistics... Lawyers and politicians... Ain't that the truth. One ethics course was enough to shed light on the origins of utilitarianism.

Back to clever linguistics from those lawyers and politicians... Off subject but relevant with respect to origins š˜Æš˜°š˜µ Of The People, By The People... don't know if you're dialed in to this one. On a much, much smaller scale - America/USA only - the tax code is full of Terms of Art. Most Americans don't have a federal income tax liability. If you want to look further because you've felt for quite a while that there's something not right about the federal income tax and its bully collection agency the IRS (you would be correct), start here: https://losthorizons.com/Documents/TheTruthInTenSegments.pdf

The longer, deeper, cogently arranged reveal, the "bible," mentioned in the foregoing, the full text (200+ pages) of š˜Šš˜³š˜¢š˜¤š˜¬š˜Ŗš˜Æš˜Ø š˜µš˜©š˜¦ š˜Šš˜°š˜„š˜¦: š˜›š˜©š˜¦ š˜š˜¢š˜“š˜¤š˜Ŗš˜Æš˜¢š˜µš˜Ŗš˜Æš˜Ø š˜›š˜³š˜¶š˜µš˜© š˜ˆš˜£š˜°š˜¶š˜µ š˜›š˜¢š˜¹š˜¢š˜µš˜Ŗš˜°š˜Æ š˜Ŗš˜Æ š˜ˆš˜®š˜¦š˜³š˜Ŗš˜¤š˜¢ by Peter Eric Hendrickson can now be read at the author's website for f*ree. https://www.losthorizons.com The website is a wealth of knowledge. Check out the Lost Horizons Bulletin Board. Folks are waking up. (And I don't quit talking about this info. So if you've heard this before, thanks for your patience.😁)

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Freedom Fox's avatar

This movie shares a lot on the same subject. Following where the tax code strings led him, the producer, Aaron Russo, stumbled into a much deeper, darker level of awareness about our government:

From Freedom to Fascism, 2005

https://archive.org/details/fromfreedomtofascismrusso

While the movie and I'm sure your links does a good job of exposing the (il)legality of the tax code, and offers up defenses to it, as Ron Paul says in the movie what the law says and what those with the badges, guns and iron cages say the law is matters more. The Golden Rule - he who has the gold, rules. Laws be damned.

Many people who watched the 2005 movie and followed the advice in it got themselves into a lot of trouble with those with the badges, guns and iron cages. Seems to be the case that whatever people learn about the tax code and apply to themselves is best kept close to vest. Too big of an audience gets the wrong kind of attention.

Trivia tidbit: Aaron Russo also produced Trading Places and several other films you've heard of. He died of cancer two years after the movie I link to was released. Or, did he die of cancer?

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No argument that folks realizing Russo's documentary (I have seen this, more than once) told the truth, then followed their conscience and ran afoul of the IRS.

The tax code as written is legal. Dig in (done for you in š˜Šš˜³š˜¢š˜¤š˜¬š˜Ŗš˜Æš˜Ø š˜µš˜©š˜¦ š˜Šš˜°š˜„š˜¦: š˜›š˜©š˜¦ š˜š˜¢š˜“š˜¤š˜Ŗš˜Æš˜¢š˜µš˜Ŗš˜Æš˜Ø š˜›š˜³š˜¶š˜µš˜© š˜ˆš˜£š˜°š˜¶š˜µ š˜›š˜¢š˜¹š˜¢š˜µš˜Ŗš˜°š˜Æ š˜Ŗš˜Æ š˜ˆš˜®š˜¦š˜³š˜Ŗš˜¤š˜¢) and you find out that, contrary to your assertion, it is not illegal. The issue is it is imposed under color of law. This is all revealed in excruciating detail in the text. The language in the code is purposefully obfuscating. Imagine that. Did you know that the code provides a definition for the terms "includes" and "including"? Here is something to understand about law and codes and statues, something I learned and verified while reading š˜Šš˜³š˜¢š˜¤š˜¬š˜Ŗš˜Æš˜Ø š˜µš˜©š˜¦ š˜Šš˜°š˜„š˜¦ (CtC): words are not legal terms, and vice versa. The terms "includes" and "including" are š˜•š˜–š˜› š˜žš˜–š˜™š˜‹š˜š under the special circumstances delineated in their definition in the code (§7701(c) in US Code Title 26). They are newly created legal terms. When used in a definition in Title 26 (these are the special circumstances delineated in the definition of the new legal term) they don't have the same meaning as the English words as you and I understand them. Explaining it here is not my intent, nor is such practical. One must understand what has been done with language, "clever linguistics," and the underhanded/sleight of hand way it has been used against Americans for generations.

FYI some people don't pay federal income tax because they don't have a tax liability. In fact, give me a minute... Right here in C&C comments some weeks ago, another CtC reader reported on her success in amending her tax return and getting a refund. See comment by @Peggy B just above where this link will take you: https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/in-the-mud-monday-march-25-2024-c/comments#comment-52460177

I understand hesitancy to stand up to the fire-breathing dragon, with its gun-toting minions. But the truth is there right in their own code - once you've cracked it and apply your knowledge carefully, patiently, doggedly. But you have to read first.

Yes, I am aware of the timing of Aaron Russo's death. Yes, I think supposedly cancer. But, as you thoughtfully ask, was it?

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

ā€œWhat other rules or laws or morals are they evading?ā€ It's safe to assume all of them.

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Vonu's avatar

AI is software.

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Kim's avatar

Created by immoral and unethical people who program it as they wish.

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Vonu's avatar

How much computer software have you written?

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Kim's avatar

I don’t have to write it to see what’s going on. Just like I don’t need a medical degree to see through Covid. Of course not all programmers are unethical but all of our institutions have been infiltrated with people on the wrong side. I also have read that even the programmers don’t completely understand how AI is working.

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Vonu's avatar

Computer software does as it is written to, just like propaganda.

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rolandttg's avatar

Exactly. But it is not, and never will be , sentient, per Clif High

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Vonu's avatar

All computer programmers can tell you stories about their software doing things during debugging that no one could have anticipated. The same thing cannot be said about propaganda.

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Kim's avatar

Do you really think AI is not programmed with propaganda though? It’s just another tool to control the narrative.

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rolandttg's avatar

Clif High agrees with this, and he is about as experienced and skilled a programmer as you will find. He programmed for Microsoft, other major corporations, and governments.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

For thus says the One high and lifted up

Who dwells forever, whose name is Holy,

ā€œI dwell on a high and holy place,

And also with the crushed and lowly of spirit

In order to revive the spirit of the lowly

And to revive the heart of the crushed.ā€

— Isaiah 57:15 LSB

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Robin Greer's avatar

And I need some reviving today. Thank you for posting. And thank you Lord for reviving us when we are lowly and crushed in spirit.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

@Janice ā€œthe heart of the crushedā€ is all too descriptive of my heart these days šŸ’” But He is in control, thankfully! šŸ™šŸ»

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RunningLogic's avatar

I thought the same šŸ™

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Heather Candy's avatar

šŸ™

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Reminded me of another verse:

ā€œBetter to be lowly in spirit along with the oppressed

than to share plunder with the proud.ā€

Proverbs 16:19

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Bard Joseph's avatar

Is this AI?

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

ā€œā€œAt that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.ā€

‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12‬:‭1‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

https://bible.com/bible/114/dan.12.1.NKJV

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Robin Greer's avatar

Praying we are all preparing spiritually for what may lie ahead.

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

What in your mind is lying ahead? I will suggest you to think about this:

ā€œNow, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.ā€

‭‭II Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

https://bible.com/bible/114/2th.2.2.NKJV

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Trudy's avatar

Thank you for posting this, I have not read Thessalonians for a long time…and I do have a question…what are your thoughts on ā€œ and that day will not come unless the falling away comes first….ā€? I ask in sincerity

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

The Day referred on the Scriptures is:

ā€œFor the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.ā€

‭‭I Thessalonians‬ ‭4‬:‭16‬-‭18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

https://bible.com/bible/114/1th.4.16-18.NKJV

Now, it’s necessary, according to the Scriptures that deception comes first, that spirit will open the gates for the ā€œman of perditionā€ to take over the world and govern upon those who voluntarily didn’t accept the truth of God revealed through the Gospel of Salvation.

Read and Obey Acts:238.

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

This spirit of deception is in full display now!!!!!!

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shayne's avatar

Yes it is!

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jmsmithmd's avatar

I am no biblical scholar, but it sounds to me that as long as we toe the line, and haven’t completely fouled up and fallen away, the Lord would continue the world. He has been oh so very patient with our evil failings so far….

So I just trust, and tend my little locale, and try to get to heaven. Be not afraid.

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Austin's avatar

Re: The Lord continuing the world

I've searched for answers as to "when" The Lord will send His Son to go get His bride.....essentially the beginning of the end of the world as we know it. This last Sunday, this concept was clarified for me in one of the best explanations I've heard in this excellent teaching:

https://cornerstonechapel.net/teaching/20240519/

P.S. "Trying" to get to heaven means you get there based on your behavior, like AI "trying" to be moral. Going to heaven is a free gift: Romans 10:9

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Love Pastor Gary Hammerick!

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jmsmithmd's avatar

You’re right, it is a gift. Maybe I’m just trying to steer a few more there with me by my example of love.

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

It’s a free gift that requires obedience:

ā€œā€œIf you love Me, keep My commandments.ā€

‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

https://bible.com/bible/114/jhn.14.15.NKJV

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Trudy's avatar

Austin, I’ve been watching Cornerstone Chapel, Leesburg VA with Pastor Gary Hamrick since cv…I am SO grateful for this Godly Pastor/Preacher/Teacherā€¦šŸ™šŸ»

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

You don’t need to be, but you need to believe and obey the Gospel of JesusChrist, that is the Only way to be saved!

Read and obey Acts:238.

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Karen Dunning's avatar

What is translated "falling away" is "harpazo" in Greek. It actually means steal, carry off, snatch, take away. Most protestants understand it to mean the rapture of the church.

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Robin Greer's avatar

In this country, we have lived quite peaceably as Christians and I know that we are not guaranteed an easy life. On the contrary, Scripture appears to promise that we will suffer and the things that are mentioned in Thessalonians must come to pass at some point. In John 14:27,16:33 Jesus says, "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid... I have said these things that you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take courage, I have overcome the world." I know these things Jesus said are true. I just have to remind myself.

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I think we are on a slippery slope to that moment! I keep imagining a last min…. occurrence (I dare not type it but think Abe Lincoln in the theater) and the one who stands up to replace both major candidates— is sooooo charismatic, soooo charming, sooooo wise and so handsome, many just ā€œknowā€ he is here to save us all from calamity. We roll out the red carpet and embrace him as our cape wearing wonder boy— until he commands us to worship him and many will do that as well. I may be wayyy off BUT the bible clearly says the generation that sees Israel named a nation again, IS the generation that will see the AC and Jesus’ return. Israel became a nation again May 18, 1948– and will celebrate their 77th this time next year. God does love the number 7. Just sayin’!!!

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Bones's avatar

Ready for the rapture.

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I don’t believe in the rapture, (I think God would put the word in the bible and I totally think 666 comes before 777, and the verses about meeting him in the air are talking abt something else— long story) but I’m surely ready for Jesus’ return!

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Austin's avatar

The fact that the English word "Rapture" is not in the Bible is a consistent declaration by people who don't study their Bible at all. Believing this misconception replaces one's Hope with despair.

Here is an explanation of it, said much better than I could:

"Does Paul really describe a "rapture"? That seems to be the question of many skeptics and scoffers. They argue that the word "rapture" is no where to be found in Scripture. In addressing their argument, it behooves us to keep in mind that the Latin Vulgate was the primary Bible translation utilized for one thousand years preceding the Reformation. In short, the Latin Vulgate "reigned" as the primary Bible translation longer than any other translation. In the Latin Vulgate the Greek word harpazo was translated "rapiemur" which is clearly related to our English terms "Rapture" or "raptured". So those detractors who argue that the term Rapture does not appear in the Bible are only expressing their ignorance [lack of knowledge] and are obviously unaware of the prominence of the Latin Vulgate translation in church history. Setting aside the argument that the word rapture (which is true) is not found in modern translations, the more important question is what does the original Greek word harpazo actually mean? Clearly it is a verb in the original Greek and verbs generally convey action."

https://www.preceptaustin.org/1thessalonians_417-18

Similar explanations are ALL OVER the internet and can be found with a modicum of desire.

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I don’t think it replaces hope with despair at all. I think it explains why it’s said around 300x, DON’T be DECEIVED. The AC will deceive so

many. I think we won’t be gone. We won’t stand with him; we’ll

stand against him, hopefully leading others to salvation as we do so.

That just means we have to gods out loins and know all we can know, to get

ready for a huge battle wherein people will be running toward who they

think saves them, when in fact he’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing, getting a few more souls before he is banished to hell. I’m a twinkling of the eye, we will be like Christ and after that, is the 1000 year reign wherein those who didn’t have a chance, get a chance but it will be HERE — a new heaven and a new earth— not everyone sucked up

to heaven like

a Hoover.

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https://duckduckgo.com/?q=shepherds+chapel+rapture&t=iphone&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D87xEQ-981us I just can’t poke any holes in it. And as he asks, ā€œWhere are you going, anyway?? Jesus is coming HERE!ā€

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

Which return?

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Austin's avatar

Amen, brother!

Enjoy this teaching that I posted earlier:

https://cornerstonechapel.net/teaching/20240519/

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Deb's avatar

AMEN! THANK YOU, JESUS!

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Crixcyon's avatar

A/I can only be as ethical as it is programmed to be. And if you trust the programmers, you have lost all sense of reason. A/I will never have a heart, a mind of its own or a soul no matter what these clowns tell us.

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Anthony's avatar

As a programmer I agree with the statement that if you trust us you have lost all reason.

Programmers are one of the most over-educated groups that lack common sense. I have to have regular grounding in the spiritual realm to not let cold logic take over my life in bad ways.

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daverkb's avatar

Reason is like fire. It can give off light and warmth but it also can burn your house down.

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AngelaK's avatar

The only AI I love is 'Data' the Android on Star Trek: The Next Generation!

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Anthony's avatar

And even in that, he changed when he got his emotion chip.

People like to claim that morality springs from the general goodness of humans. This puzzles me because if you look at human history, humans generally need spirituality to be "good". People of today really need to look at what influenced their current moral code. If they do so, they might find some interesting results and change. Repent and think differently. AI will not be able to do that. I don't see how "intelligence" allows for introspection. I won't trust AI until they create AW, Artificial Wisdom.

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Doug's avatar

Maybe AI needs a "morality chip"...

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Maybe something like a "Jiminy" circuit?

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Doug's avatar

I LOVE that idea!

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TB's avatar

The reason AIs in movies and TV are so engaging is that the are not AIs at all; of course, they are actors delivering lines written by humans.

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AngelaK's avatar

Yes. Done brilliantly in my favorite Android, Data!

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TB's avatar

Brent Spiner is a good actor. In one episode, he played both Data, his "brother" Lore, and their "father" as well...

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AngelaK's avatar

Yup!! I remember. I loved that series and watched it a few times. He was indeed brilliant! šŸ‘

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Bones's avatar

He can change his voice to sound exactly like Scarlett Johansson, if he wants to you know

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Credenda's avatar

Data was too creepy for me. Spock was mysterious and kind of sexy in a weird way. ā€œIs thee human or is thee Vulcan?ā€ asked his mother. He was conflicted. Data was just, well, a machine.

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

True. Scientists have no idea how consciousness works. This assumption that machines will gain consciousness when they become ā€œsmartā€ enough is ridiculous.

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RU's avatar

When you step back and look at it, it's really amazing isn't it? It's the most basic, foundational aspect of our lives, of who/what we are, & any time we are here, it is here...and yet the "experts" know nothing about it.

Gravity is another one that gets me. It's the reason we stick to this globe and it affects everything we do every single second of every day. And yet they can say little of value about it. They have theories, but they have to refer to concepts like "gravitons" for their theories to work. Which is sort of like saying that person is smarter b/c they have more "smartitrons." Phlogiston-like.

I'm not saying they never get anything right, but their body of knowledge seems to be very deep in a very narrow range of small, unimportant things. While they seem to know nothing about the big, important things.

(Sorry for the derail - I am just fascinated by how much of a religion / matter of faith science has become despite its rather obvious, omnipresent blind spots.)

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Jay Horton's avatar

"I am just fascinated by how much of a religion / matter of faith science has become despite its rather obvious, omnipresent blind spots." yes, on my mind more so lately. Many concepts are not as concrete as I once thought they were.

Later Jay

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Doug's avatar

"I think, therefore, I am."

Thinking is different from number crunching - thinking has components of morality (or ethics), wisdom, intuition and creativity in addition to pure reason. Machines may be programmed to simulate these, but they will never possess a soul.

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Jay Horton's avatar

100%.

Later Jay

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Bones's avatar

It’s just another form of the evolution myth only and reverse. Same Digital thinking for an analog reality. God is the author of analog reality

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Politico Phil's avatar

Absolutely right. These people live in a fantasy in their own minds. "Artificial Intelligence" is an oxy-moron.

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Cindi's avatar

Crixcyon, those clowns don’t have hearts, minds or souls of their own, either

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Anthony's avatar

Some of us do.

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Anthony's avatar

But those I know don't do AI, so.... maybe all of them don't.

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Bandit's avatar

I think that was the point of their comment.

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Padrig's avatar

Ethics: I suppose they could program it with all of our laws, regulations, and standards... Then it could quickly learn all of the court cases in which these same standards were applied without regard to any logically fallacious arguments. Of course, it would have to place itself in the position of a citizen and not in any way consider itself a part of the court for which these don't seem to apply.

Quite frankly, an interesting use of this technology might be to grade the court system outcomes. We could start simply with the way that judges routinely disregard the Constitutional obligation for it to provide a speedy, public trial with an impartial jury in "ALL" criminal prosecutions. We don't even have to delve into the J6 court fiasco, we can just use the ordinary "Contempt of Court" judgements in which a sole person makes up the law on the spot, tries, and convicts the defendant without a trial of any sort.

Seriously though, if our system of justice doesn't abide by its own rules, how can we expect machines to do better?

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Carol M.'s avatar

Just remember HAL in 2001 A Space Odyssey 😳

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

My mama keeps bringing up HAL, "Will these people never learn?!"

Mrs. "the Knife"

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Carol M.'s avatar

Smart Mama!

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Doug's avatar

The only way to stop HAL was to unplug him...

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Carol M.'s avatar

But HAL wouldn’t open the spaceship door so Dave could come back in. And then he cut Dave loose🄺Hopefully you or I will be in charge of the extension cord before the time arrivesšŸ™šŸ¤–

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TB's avatar

This is why any competent engineer always includes a manual override.

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Jay Horton's avatar

Depends on who is paying for the space ship at the time you are locked out and the cord is untethered.

Later jay

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FourWinds's avatar

Because it is not alive, it is not capable of a single emotion. Making a choice to be ethical is based, at least partially, on emotion. Therefore, it cannot be ethical on its own. Programming is one thing - making choices and decisions on the information immediately based on one's personal ethics and understanding of morality is NOTHING a machine can ever do.

Still one of my favorite movies: I, Robot.

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Anthony's avatar

And how can an AI be introspective about its own actions and change for the better? I don't think it can. It requires not only emotion (such as shame, embarrassment, etc...), but also wisdom.

Where is Artificial Wisdom?

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Kim's avatar

Exactly

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Robin Greer's avatar

The stealing of the voice reminded me of Disney's Little Mermaid when the horrible Ursula tricks Ariel into giving up her voice so she can be human. That was just the visual I had.

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John Galt (dont/care)'s avatar

AI is being developed into Microsoft Windows at an alarming scale. If you value your privacy, start planning a move to Linux, the open-source operating system that runs very efficiently on older computers. Linux Mint is my favorite, Ubuntu is another popular alternative.

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Janet's avatar

My windows laptop is so crammed and clogged with my non compliance to their stupid constant updates and bug swatters, I put the lid down and stuck it in a closet. Wiping my hands of the whole lot.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Your non-compliance has been noted and your social credit score adjusted.

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Beckadee's avatar

hahahaha

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Sharon's avatar

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daverkb's avatar

When using Windows back in 2011 I just gave up on updating other than the Service Packs or whatever they are called ... because updates tend to break or degrade the operating system's smoothness. I also avoid updating in Linux for the same reason.

I tried using Windows 11 recently when looking at a possible DeWife tablet replacement. I must say Windows 11 is not too bad. I jumped ship with Windows 8 which was a nasty little things. Besides that, I read the Windows 8 EULA and that really pissed me off. MSFT thinks they own you and your machine.

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Janet's avatar

I have little I need to do on it at this point. Retired. I pull it out for my full boat photoshop once in awhile. I got to the ripe old age of 75 without having to learn Excel, so I’m good. 😁🤪

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TB's avatar

FWIW, doing regular day-to-day updates in Linux almost never breaks anything. It's only when you do a "release upgrade" to a newer distribution that things might fail. (But you have to do it eventually, if you want to keep getting security fixes to your software.)

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Yes! Mint is a great OS. Use a thumb drive to install, then add the Brave browser.

https://linuxmint.com/

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John Galt (dont/care)'s avatar

Yes, Brave is the way. No Chrome, no Edge. Firefox is led by a Marxist.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

But I notice a real distinction between Brave and Yandex. Yesterday observed this again, when looking into tissue banks. Nothing on Brave, a bunch of options on Yandex.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I am not tech savvy - if you install a different OS can you still run licensed (not cloud) MS programs - word/excel/outlook?

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Not easily; you'd have to install a virtual machine to do it. Otherwise limited to the web versions.

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Austin's avatar

Not on Linux OS. You have to use all the software that's compatible with Linux. It can be daunting if you don't use it regularly.....but it's doable.

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TB's avatar

LibreOffice will open all word/excel/etc files, but it's not as "nice" interface-wise. Feels like a 15-years-old version of office.

On the other hand, it's free. (Free as in beer, AND free as in speech.)

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Austin's avatar

It's very interesting to put the same search into several different browsers and view the several different results.

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daverkb's avatar

Mint really has a great Installer. Very easy to use.

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daverkb's avatar

I never had a Mac, but my friend does and he runs Linux on them. No problem.

When I started out with Linux in 2011, I had a friend load my Linux OSs (operating systems). I gradually figured out how to do this. And I must say, it is much easier to do these days, much automatic with the installers.

Best to experiment on a second machine. That way something is always working. If you are looking for a new machine, this is a relative bargain and it can run anything, Windows or Linux. It does come with Gnome desktop on it, Pops_OS!. I'd put Mint on it. But System76 does have a page which converts Pops from Gnome to the Cinnamon Desktop, which is like Windows. Easier just to put on Mint.

https://system76.com/laptops/pangolin

There's lots of videos on YouTube. There's where I go to get things figured out. You can, for example go to YouTube and put Linux Mint into the search box and see exactly what it's like, how to custom it ... lot of things. You can put in System76 and Pangolin and see what it is like. My friend did that and then bought one. I am, truly, also tempted.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Dang, just bought a new windows laptop last year. I am self employed and hate any new changes as time is money and I already lose a couple of days all in when I switch. Tech issues just not my thing. Love that System 76 has a lot of storage, it was actually hard to find a decent priced laptop with a TB of storage, I try to avoid the cloud as much as possible.

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It is a terrific machine for most people, the vast majority. It has the U version AMD chip (AMD Ryzenā„¢ 7 7840U: 3.3 up to 5.10 GHz - 8 Cores - 16 Threads), sort of the economy version but still super-fast. I have a 2018/2019 System76 Oryx with a six core Intel chip and the Pangolin loaded an operating system clone image saved to a USB stick in eight minutes. My Oryx took at least an hour to do the same.

Also, you can either order the Pangolin with the second storage bay loaded or buy your own and maybe save some money. Put in the second storage SSD device is duck soup. Undo one screw, take off the over, slide the storage in and put the cover back in. Extremely accessible. Extremely convenient. 4T M2 SDD are now affordable, but 8T are extraordinarily pricey.

"I am self employed and hate any new changes as time is money and I already lose a couple of days all in when I switch." Again, I am impressed with the AMD chip data transfer rate.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Relevant: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1792690964672450971

Microshaft DEI CEO: Windows PCs will have a photographic memory feature called Recall that will remember and understand everything you do on your computer by taking constant screenshots

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FourWinds's avatar

I told my dad I wished computers and smartphones did not exist. He looked at me funny. But seriously, we were without them for so long as a species and we survived. Now all computers are good for is breaking in new appliances.

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daverkb's avatar

I agree with 'creepy'. And it is all done 'locally' ... nothing to worry about there! I also question the computer resources capacity this would use. In my world, less clutter is more.

Edit: maybe the screen shots are taken 'locally' but stored on the Cloud?

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Johnny-O's avatar

Yup, we just did this with a new computer. It's a no brainer.

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Dianna b's avatar

My husband is a computer geek, love it. We've been on Ubuntu for years. He can't stand Microsoft. He used to admire Bill Gates, but that ship sailed after he heard one of his talks on depopulation.

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Doug's avatar

My parting curse to depopulation elitists like Gates and Schwab would be:

May you all quickly tire of one another's company.

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nancylee's avatar

my answer to gates at al - whatever you propose, you go first.

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daverkb's avatar

I've tried most of the distros in the top ten on DistroWatches' hit ranking page. But Mint is my favorite. Easy to use. Easy to customize. And the Software Manager (download store) is now first rate and so easy to use. The Cinnamon Desktop environment will please those who desire to transition from Windows.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

But we can't use any of our current stuff - Word/Excel docs, other apps used regularly? You'd have to transition to something else for all that? Can you download Proton Mail and other apps to Linux, for instance?

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daverkb's avatar

Well ... you can do almost anything. But you would have to break things down. For example, I use the LibreOffice suit ... mostly the Writer these days, but also the spread sheet Calc. LibreOffice loads Microsoft files too. Works really well ... and I don't play MSFT one dime. I do use Protomail. And I use multiple browsers. Almost anything Windows does, there is a way to do it in Linux.

If you are interested, you could go on a walk-around at YouTube using the search window. You could for example put in <linux for beginners> or just look up <Linux Mint> ... etc. Below is what the Linux Mint software store looks like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyzfD2-FZ0U

My suggestion is to use YouTube searches to educate yourself. Lots of video on just about anything imaginable. Also, use a second computer to test things out.

If you want a new machine, this is terrific. It's built to run Linux but you can also run Windows on it. Also, with the Mint installer, there is an option to install 'side by side'. This means you can install Mint next to Windows, or any other operating system for that matter. Long ago I used to do just that. But now, I just use Mint. After awhile, one only uses on operating system in my experience because all your stuff is set up there and conveniently ready to go.

https://system76.com/laptops/pangolin

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shayne's avatar

I still work on a Windows XP tower and a Windows 7 laptop, both have no modem, and both work perfectly fine. I have another laptop I use for the internet but it holds none of my business. I refuse to do updates....

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TB's avatar

I'd recommend updating the one that you use for the internet; even if you have nothing important on it, it will still be a pain in the butt to reinstall it if it gets a virus or ransomware.

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shayne's avatar

Thanks. I do have a great antivirus program on the laptop.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

About to purchase a Mark37ghost laptop running Linux. Bought the Mark37 ghostphone last year.

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Shelle's avatar

What kinds of adjustments were there as you began using the ghost phone? Really curious about what the shift would be like if we got one.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Sean Tario (founder of Mark37) has a stack (Truth in Love) and explains the reasoning behind the phone and laptop. I am actually on my 2nd, as, stupidly, I abused the first. This (which arrived 3 weeks ago) has many more apps loaded. I do miss the Google maps feature, as the first phone has its own version with which I have not been ā€œcomfortably successfulā€. Haven’t taken any trips with this new so haven't needed to use a map app. Do look at his Truth in Love--his mission is to get people freed from Big Tech.

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Shelle's avatar

Thank you for replying! I have wondered if they had a replacement for Google maps.

It took a number of searches before I found it even though I searched for Truth in Love, so I am linking his substack in case anyone else is interested:

https://substack.com/@truthinlove

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daverkb's avatar

Check this out. Great price and a bargain, especially if you are a 'regular use' kind of person like me. Great configuration. A friend just got one. It loads large files in a tenth of the time my 6 core Intel chip System76 Orxy machine does. I am almost tempted to order one.

https://system76.com/laptops/pangolin

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Doug's avatar

wait... don't pangolins carry a virus?? ; -)

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daverkb's avatar

Ha! Ha! More worry from Da Gubberment than Pangolins and/or those scale-ly things!

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Starting at 1200 bucks. No thank you. So many laptops cater to the gamers, with their particular needs (as this Pangolin says it does)--an expensive waste for me.

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Guy White's avatar

Are those anything like "ghost guns?" In that case we'd better procure what we can before DOJ starts banning them...

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

I used to use Ubuntu, but with this newer laptop that came with windows, unfortunately, I’m basically disabling everything there is to disable on it and so far it’s been working.

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Karen B's avatar

If Trump is being charged with defrauding voters, shouldn’t Hillary and all involved be charged with the same charges for the Russian Collusion hoax?

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Heather's avatar

Under NY logic, speeding on your way to vote could be a felony…you are trying to influence an election and committed a misdemeanor while doing so …basically everything can be elevated to a felony

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Dr Linda's avatar

Good morning all

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RunningLogic's avatar

Good morning!! Like button working today so far! 😁

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Dr Linda's avatar

I switched phones, it seems to be working for me today. O joy!!

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Robin Greer's avatar

I think the system may be getting overwhelmed and there is a time lapse between clicking "like" and the system registering it.

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Janet's avatar

It’s happened before. Since I’ve been around here. Once for a length of time.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes I have noticed that too.

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Beth Bart's avatar

Happy Good morning! šŸŒžā˜•ļø

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Robin Greer's avatar

Good morning. 😃

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space's avatar

Regarding Jeff's comment about the Trump trial jurors: "That gives jurors an extended chance to marinate in all the unavoidable media about the case, unless they all keep their phones turned off for a week." I would love to be able to ascertain their identities and send them Jeff's running commentary on the trial. But the cynic in me at least partially believes the jury is bought and paid for anyhow.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

It does seem that way. I'm trying to ignore most of the drama and just enjoy myself.

But I am pretty well prepped for crap hits the fan. I hope others are.

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Beckadee's avatar

I think it was Jeff who posted a list of the jurors and info on their news sources. I remember one listed Truth Social as his social media source. All it takes is one right.

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Luc's avatar

And isn't this a FEC thing???

Merchan also ruled that Brad Smith, the proposed defense expert regarding the FEC, would not be allowed to testify as to definitions, which Merchan deemed as interpreting federal law and usurping the court's role in terms of instructing the jury.

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Jeff Childers's avatar

It's common for judges to exclude the testimony of attorney experts whose role is intended to explain the law to the jury. Not being in the courtroom, and not having heard all the arguments, I hesitate to opine about the ruling.

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Luc's avatar

Because they are attorney's themselves? But isn't it about election interference? Who is going to explain to the jury that it's not?

Also when (or do you think) someone is gonna tell the jury the following?

1) The statute of limitations is expired.

2) The so called election interference happened AFTER he was elected.

3) It's not a crime to pay someone off.

4) Stormy and her testimony had nothing to do with this.

Correct me if I am wrong, or heard wrong, about any of this.

THANKS!

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Beckadee's avatar

I heard that witness Costello and Merchan had a nice visit yesterday. LOL. No eye rolling in my courtroom!

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Padrig's avatar

Isn't the FEC an agency that interprets the law with the outcome being regulations? This would be like not allowing the writer of a bill to testify as to the intent of the law. Our system is so broken. Experts can't disagree with the court priests.

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PR Surra's avatar

As to the AI conversation, I think Arthur Weasley from Harry Potter says it best:

ā€œNever trust anything that can think for itself if you cannot see where it keeps its brain.ā€

Thank you, JK Rowling.

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Carol M.'s avatar

šŸ¤©šŸ“ššŸŖ„Great Reminder!

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David A's avatar

There is zero evidence that AI can have any ethics or morals, as there is zero eveidence of volition, or feeling, or care. The operative word is artificial.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

AI has no soul. How can it make moral choices

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AngelaK's avatar

It will make moral choices based on how it has been programmed. That is scary. as all morality today is topsy turvey and relative.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Morality has been askew since cain killed Abel. Without a soul to have a link to God all its decisions will be programmed by a sinful created being

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AngelaK's avatar

Well, yea, but today's times are biblical: when right is wrong, etc.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Yes yes yes

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Austin's avatar

When you consider that, according to a Barna survey, only 4% of born again Christians surveyed believe in a Biblical World View (10 VERY SIMPLE questions), you can be assured that the world is in grave trouble.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

AI is only as "moral" or "rational" as the people providing the data to train the algorithm. Ultimately, it's a tool.

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

The thing we need to all put in our fence posts and shout from the rooftops:

Woe to them who call evil good and good, evil. Woe to them who out darkness for light and light for darkness, bitter for sweet and sweet, bitter. Isaiah 5:20

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AngelaK's avatar

They don't believe in heaven or hell, God or Satan, so this warning will not do anything if shouted from the rooftops. They also firmly believe that their darkness IS light! I have had a conversation with an otherwise lovely young woman (who used to teach) and who compared DESANTIS censorship of pornographic books for children to Hitler and the Nazis' book burning. I tried to explain to her the inappropriate nature of such material and her response was that it would be a lifeline for trans children.

Moral of the story: You don't win. The darkness has been spun into light.

Post script: she no longer communicates on any level with me, even a 'thank you' for wishes.

This is the divide of politics. I should have kept my mouth shut. I usually do.

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Austin's avatar

I disagree that you should have kept your mouth shut.

In a class I attended, I heard that the average born again Christian receives Biblical information +/- 13 times before accepting Christ's Salvation. Every nugget counts.

You may not have been talking about Biblical things, but your position can relate similarly.

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Guy White's avatar

This young woman is, sadly, STUPID. But understand that word in the spiritual sense. Yes, the god of this world has blinded the eyes of the unbelievers (2 Corin. 4:4). Christian martyr Dietrich Bonhoeffer laid this all out during the darkest part of the previous century:

https://www.onthewing.org/user/Bonhoeffer%20-%20Theory%20of%20Stupidity.pdf

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jmsmithmd's avatar

No, you have to speak the truth if you are a good person. It might sink in eventually for her.

I’m commenting too much today. Have a great one.

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GenEarly's avatar

When in Doubt, Communicate. Words or Bullets are just different "forms" of communication. So to preempt the bullets there are words. In the final analysis, you tried, not every attempt will be successful, or results even known to you. Never, ever "Shut up" only the dead are silent.

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You’re better off without her. My retired teacher friend agrees that this trans worship stuff is wrong, but firmly believes that it’s not being taught in schools. I just just said ā€˜you might want to look into that’ and we moved onto something else.

I would have been tempted to ask your friend why ā€˜how to have sex’ should be taught to any children. Why should trans be taught how to have sex?

It would have ended the same way, but at least maybe it would have given her something to think about, sadly I doubt it.

Whenever someone jabbers on about abortion, I always ask ā€˜what happened to birth control? I try to say it as innocently as possible šŸ˜‰

I don’t say it the way I want to though: why rely on killing babies instead?

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Karen Bandy's avatar

There are lots of better arguments, not sure the fanatical pro abortion folks want to listen. I find it’s best to keep it simple.

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I wasn’t keeping a sock in it. I was letting it fly. Then I decided I’d better zip it. Now I’m back to thinking I’m the one ā€œhiding Anne Frank in the attic, and I’m not about to be silent while Nazi’s haul Jews off in a train carā€ type. I see so many similarities to being told the Jews who were your friends yesterday are dirty vermin today, to be feared, and we must do away with them or at least not allow them to shop here/eat there/live here.

I can’t. I’m calling evil, evil and calling actual good, GOOD.

I too had the conversation abt book banning. Three ladies were adamant abt NOT banning anything—- until I sent screenshots of the actual pages of one of the worst.

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Cindi's avatar

ā€œThey knew it was wrong, but did it anywayā€ is the moral compass now, whether it’s gain-of-function; deliberately releasing a bioweapon; deliberately creating & then mandating poison be injected into every arm/food supply/air/etc; prosecuting Trump on phony charges; creating corrupt AI; stealing elections; ad nauseum

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Ransom Stoddard's avatar

They knew it was illegal, not "wrong". They don't do right and wrong. They are guided solely by what they can get away with in order to get what they want.

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Cindi's avatar

If there is a 2 tiered system of ā€œjusticeā€ (which there is) & ā€œillegalā€ has no meaning (as a word/concept/alien) we are still left w/ right & wrong even if they don’t believe in them. There’s still a karmic morality to the universe & I can only hope they’ll be getting what they deserve

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FourWinds's avatar

True. They have no concept of good and evil.

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Dr Linda's avatar

US intelligence agents put lives at risk and facilitated the deaths of people, yet Assange is being prosecuted? Upside down world; no surprise. I wish I would stop being surprised

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Carol M.'s avatar

Maybe being surprised is what keeps us humble?šŸ¤“šŸ™

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Sam's avatar

Assange contacted the state Department for their help on redacting names, but they refused. It was the Guardian and NYT that posted the names. America keeps lying about that.

Obama refused to prosecute him because of our fight amendment right and the precedent it would set for our supposedly free press. Enter Trump, Pompous Pompeo and Bolton.

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