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Patty's avatar

Jeff, I was so proud to be one of the thousands of C&C subscribers seeing you tonight with Steve Kirsch. Your description of the use of “experts” was exactly right. The new thing in our age is that now only one side’s expert is allowed to speak, and we all mandated to agree with him. I hope you are right that we might see justice soon.

Verve's avatar

Awesome to see! Great interview- I think we’ll over 2k views!!

ACroneintheWoods's avatar

It was great interview. You don't talk like you write, which surprised me. I do hope you are right that we see justice, but it has to hurry up. The Gnomenazi is not a spring chicken, and the people that got duped need to be alive to see it happen.

Donna B's avatar

Missed it - where can I go to watch?

BuelahMan's Revolt's avatar

Ask him why he banned me from commenting on his site due to my inquiry about Ron Unz's challenge to him over death numbers. Ask him why he refuses to openly discuss the no-virus theory with the ones begging him to do so.

Dick's avatar

Honest Oppo voices are always important!

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Credenda's avatar

Today I took a friend to have a screening colonoscopy. Afterwards while in the recovery cubicle with her and the nurse I asked the nurse if she had noticed an uptick in the number of patients with cancer. She replied yes, and they’re coming in a lot younger, even in their 30’s. She said all this was fairly recent, and others noticed it too. My (unvaccinated) friend said “it’s the shots”. The nurse didn’t say anything but she didn’t have to.

Satan's Doorknob's avatar

This is already mentioned by others, but it's worth mentioning: Did you know that, like vaccines and many drugs, that many diagnostic procedures (such as colonoscopy) are of little value to the patient, and indeed present risks of injury or death (even if those risks are usually very low)? Now, I'm speaking as a man who has had many diagnostics in his life, including a couple colonoscopies. Credit where due: I have suffered no adverse effects that I know of. But late in life, I've become extremely skeptical of medicine in general. They do provide a useful service. But I've learned, they also are a for-profit business. Even if one has "good" insurance, you are still likely to have co-pays, and they can run into the thousands of $. To some extent I'm preaching to the choir here, but my current advice: If you have a true medical need, by all means go to a doctor or the hospital. That is, if the alternative is severe pain, injury or death. But for so-called preventive procedures or well care? That is precisely where you should be most suspicious. To the extent possible, due your "due diligence" that the product or service you are considering using actually has a worthwhile cost/benefit, risk/reward ratio. I don't think the medical system is actually out to deliberately harm anyone, but I DO think they prioritize profit and repeat customers.

Cathleen Manny's avatar

Satan’s Doorknob: I agree with your summation. The ‘health care delivery system’ has grown into a monster, and lost its way. Note that all their ‘preventive’ measures are expensive/risky tests and the like, but never guidance on eating well, exercising, etc. - because those aren’t revenue streams. Once we see it, it’s blatantly obvious, isn’t it?

John infinity N's's avatar

Exactly. Todays medicine stemmed from Rockefeller medicine where he was able to use his wealth to have schools quit teaching the old healing methods and cures and adopt his medical business model. He was a snake oil salesman just like his dad. Now everyone chases the snake oil put out by these doctors thinking it will make them live longer and healthier but it's just making life long customers.

Paige Green's avatar

All those tests also increase one’s anxiety, which in turn reduces wellness in general. It can also lead to unnecessary biopsies, or in the case of my mother, a collapsed lung and hospital stay from setting markers for cyber knife surgery for a spot in her lung described as “a feathery shadow.” Due to her beginning stages of dementia at the time, the hospital stay tipped the scales on that and was the beginning of her demise.

She never did have the cyber knife surgery, btw.

Margot Russell's avatar

My 54 year old cousin is hving a double mastectomy next week. She doesn’t have cancer, or the BRACA gene. Her doctors are entirely willing to remove them just because she wants them removed. Bizarre.

MayBella82's avatar

Sounds more like she should be seeing a therapist. Mental health is huge problem for a lot of women. I saw one for two years...one of the best things I ever did for myself.

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Credenda's avatar

Oh that’s terrible. But we all get badgered to have one when we turn 50. It’s a rite of passage, like the onslaught of AARP ads.

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

And completely unnecessary just like mammograms!!!

NAB's avatar

Yep. I had the "you're turning 50" colonoscopy. Never again.

Michael Fee's avatar

See the similarities to childhood vaccines.

Someone, somewhere got ill from a disease. We give your child this vaccine to prevent it. (no warranty expressed or implied).

You know people that died of colon cancer, here...we can cure it if it is caught early. We need to go look, waaaay inside. It isn't what you're eating, we just need to knock you out and shove this hose up your butt. (no warranty expressed or implied).

I heard mammograms are absolutely useless. What is interesting is that there, you're exposed to cancer causing radiation. So there is a downside to the test that includes cancer.

Everything is a cost/benefit situation. They don't want to tell you either the numerator or the denominator.

Concerned mom's avatar

OF COURSE they're necessary! HOW else are these doctors supposed to fund their lavish lifestyles, send their kids to university, pay for the wife's plastic surgery, etc....

Cathleen Manny's avatar

Revenue stream. Too risky.

AJ's avatar

Here is a link to start finding alternative views on screening risks vs. benefits.

https://drtenpenny.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=substack_profile

Another one is this retired MD who had an epiphany and saw that all was not what it seemed in mainstream medicine. He has an index of posts on the bar across the top and also pretty sure you can download his Butchered by Medicine book for free. You might want to read up on the prostate grinder that starts with screening.

https://robertyoho.substack.com/

BuelahMan's Revolt's avatar

I had one about 20 years ago. When I woke up, the entire bottom of the bed was covered with blood and my leg hurt badly. I looked down and noticed that I had apparently kicked the metal bed frame over and over again while I was out and my lower right leg (shin) was bleeding profusely. They had no idea until I told them.

They just shrugged.

AnnR's avatar

Re: Zoleka Mandela: I cannot fathom the depraved evilness of preying upon an addict's legitimate fears and emotions with a false analogy and a false choice, just to get the shot in her arm - and it was said so casually, which fits right in with the concept of the banality of evil. Abhorrent, vile beings.

RunningLogic's avatar

It’s getting harder and harder to find words adequate to express how vile and abhorrent all of this truly is!!

Neil Kellen's avatar

Dante needs to add another level.

RunningLogic's avatar

And the dictionary needs more words!!

ENCmd's avatar

To quote Bill O’Reilly “we’re there!”

Vonu's avatar

Is it him or his ghost writers that you are quoting?

daverkb's avatar

Yup! Exactly right! And I fear the horrors yet to come are still far deeper and darker. This seems of the charts, but some abstracts which I have read make it credible ... particularly when it comes to graphene, electromagnetic conductivity and delivery system issues. I fear that this is not whacky (wish it were!) but the new reality point to a Transhumanist Horror Show mixed into the Death Jab agenda. See what you think.

https://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/commonsenseshow/hr1092523.mp3

Cynthia's avatar

It's satanic. That pretty much sums up the level of evil we're seeing.

Monterey's avatar

Yes. This would fall under the category of pharmakeia, as mentioned in the bible.

CH's avatar

I agree. There really isn't any other explanation.

Vonu's avatar

Getting us to blame an imaginary demon is their favorite way to hide their misdeeds.

Vonu's avatar

It isn't but they are.

Dick's avatar

Can you elaborate on your assertions, please? Thanks in advance.

Raptor's avatar

How does calling out the source of evil in any way hide a person's "misdeeds"? I wouldn't characterize it as misdeed BTW. THAT seems more of a way people"hide" what they are doing. Making light of something completely sinister and evil.

Vonu's avatar

I'm glad that you finally settled on the latter correct premise instead of the first fallacious one.

aj's avatar

you have no proof of the non-existence of a thing called 'satan', as others have no proof of its existence. At least everyone has no proofs that would satisfy the opposing side. Just as we are free to believe anything else. I think you are quibbling around the margins for the sake of being argumentative. Which advances no understanding. Human beings are capable of acts of horror, the source of such is often indescribable.

Carolyn's avatar

Satan and his followers are very real

Vonu's avatar

In your perception.

Special Ted's avatar

Hey Vonu, please share with us your credentials and expertise on demonology. Why should anyone listen to you? Ad hominem! Henceforth! Ad nauseam!

Freebird's avatar

It is. And sadly, after months of reading these stories, I find myself becoming numb and desensitized to the tragedy of it. It’s incomprehensible that “health care” workers have perpetrated this evil around the world.

Timbo Slice's avatar

Agreed. It's like all of this is in the past now. Who's playing football this weekend? Meanwhile, the deaths are mounting and the media reports about it are going silent.

Fred's avatar

Not Damar Hamlin. 🤣 Although they’ve gotta put “him” in sometime.

shayne's avatar

I'm at the point where I read about these deaths, and think, another one, that's a shame. We're witnessing the beginning of a genocide. I have friends who were the picture of health before they took the C shots, and now they seem to be slowly slipping away.

Freebird's avatar

We’ve seen people who’ve aged ten years in the last three years. It may be a combination of shot effects, living in abject fear, masking, isolation, etc but it’s really taken a toll on them. Very sad. 😞

Fred's avatar

…and management who call the shots (pun intended) now and noncompete clauses. No excuse though.

Jaci's avatar

Aren't you just sick of all the duality and adversarial!

nancy knox-bierman's avatar

Right? I need more adjectives!!

Tom's avatar

I learned from a Billy Crone talk last night that in a certain context, the Hebrew word used for "vile thing" is "Belial."

I think Belial may be an adequate word.

Disclaimer: I don't necessarily agree with Billy's eschatology, but he hasn't set off any discernment alarm bells.

Susan Banks's avatar

I agree! I’m so tired of the same words!

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

A friend of mine who is being treated for cancer was told by his cancer doctor to get the covid death shots and boosters.

Virtue Mustwin's avatar

My sister, whose melanoma has come roaring back, was told by her cancer doctors in Florida that Covid and/or the shots were quite likely to blame, and to not get any more boosters. She only had the first two shots. I hope they can save her life.

Brenda Bergsma's avatar

My mom's doctor (Wisconsin) told us in Aug of 2021, "it's not a vaccine. I will quit and drive a truck if they force to get the shot. I have patients who now need dibluators because of the shot." He also said we could take off our masks while in his office. My mom and I were soooo relieved to hear him say things we already believed were true.

Truth Seeker's avatar

You don't find many doctors like that anymore. He's a keeper, and what all doctors should be. They can hide behind "just following orders" and the need to keep their job, but they are still responsible for the injury and death they have caused. I have growing disdain for that once respectable profession.

Verve's avatar

Wow did you ever dodge a bullet. I have lost count of the acquaintances and family members who've been injured or died. I would love to have this doctor if I lived in WI. What a saint!

John infinity N's's avatar

Sadly, the body count and injuries in my circle are increasing as well.

Verve's avatar

I'm so sorry to hear this. We all need to keep communicating with each other and call it like it is - the gaslighting continues and it's breaking people's spirits (by design). And if fathers like Rep. Sean Casten won't even entertain the idea his 17 year old previously healthy daughter died from the jab, there is certainly something more nefarious going on. If we could get the medical community - the good clinicians who see what's going on -- to walk away and join something like McCullough's Wellness Company, we could actually start helping the jab injured - we don't have to say I told you so, it's not the decent approach --we can just start helping them and they don't have to admit anything. They know deep down.

daverkb's avatar

Thanks! Hearing this gives a lot of us hope! And very important!

Timbo Slice's avatar

It's nice to find some doctors who get it.

Mo's avatar

So sorry to hear this about your sister. Have you heard about the work of the flccc also Peter McCullough and the wellness company. They are good doctors helping people with vax injuries and also doing work on cancer treatments. I have lost 4 family members to turbo cancers since the jabs came out. It was hard to convince people not to listen to the propaganda or to seek alternative treatments. I hope your family has better success.

Politico Phil's avatar

When I anecdotally hear about people dying or disabled by the bio-weapon such as FOUR just in your family and all turbo-cancers, I have to wonder how many people are really dying! The statistics we talk about must not be anywhere near the actual death rate.

OnTheJump's avatar

There is NO DOUBT that this is a true statement, Phil.

Ed Dowd does a pretty good deep dive into this topic; and those who have a pretty good picture are the ones paying out death benefits - but not everyone HAS life insurance, for example.

We'll never know the full extent, it seems.

What a travesty.

Robin Esau's avatar

I think this is where the world-wide all cause mortality numbers that Denis Rancourt is tracking will show true numbers.

Wheaton's avatar

Just to balance things out, I must say, in my circle of friends family and acquaintances, I can not report any such high numbers. Most everyone I know took the jabs but they seem ok thankfully. Guessing they got a “better” or blank

Batch. However the only death in my entire circle in the past three years was the result of a drug overdose.

Politico Phil's avatar

The part that is really scary to me is the unknown long term effects. People are assuming this is not a threat. But this bio-weapon was intentionally designed to be as lethal as possible over time. I'm assuming it's going to get a LOT worse. And that doesn't even address the effects on miscarriage and sterilization of the youth.

Jon Stephenson's avatar

Me too, at least as far as sudden deaths, cancer, etc. My mom's ongoing kidney disease worsened to the point of needing dialysis . My aunt's weak legs got weaker to the point of barely able to walk. Vaccine caused? Maybe.

Dick's avatar

My story too… Do you live in OR, by any chance?

Unfortunately, it predisposes them to become even more intrenched in the lies — & more apt to “trust the science”, vilify dissenters…& continue to “boost”.

: /

And it makes me out to be a nut job. I get the respectful condescension from my grown kids (like a pat on the head) or thinly veiled annoyance —

Not a little frustrating — and disconcerting bc of the gravity of the situation they’re completely oblivious to & hence prey.

May God stop this carnage — give us peace and wisdom until he does.

daverkb's avatar

Totally agreed! But also ... so glad to see you hear today because I have a special, special top drawer treat for you today. Take a gander and see if you agree. It shines!

https://tribaltheocrat.com/2020/04/aboard-the-pequod-american-literatures-bounty-on-the-white-christ/

Politico Phil's avatar

Wow, there it is. Right out in the open.

For the last few weeks my thoughts have been coalescing around the idea that we are in a war against "whiteness". That the democide is designed to murder as many of the "white people" as possible. Specifically, this targets the US, Canada, Australia, NZ and western Europe. All "white" countries. That is not to say the war is racial. Certainly not. Rather it is cultural. And the target is "white" culture regardless of anyone's particular skin color. As Biden said to his Black audience, "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black."

And we have seen this relentless attack, as illustrated in Moby Dick, carried out for years against the historical narrative of America starting in our schools where children are taught that all American history is racist and evil. They have torn down all our monuments to our past and re-written the entire history of America as only Satan could envision. They even lecture us about the evilness of our Whiteness. I am amused that Mount Rushmore stands as an enduring insult to their cultural assassination.

We are all now targets of their war against whiteness and when order gets ugly, this war will justify any and all physical attacks on any white person. We have already seen this in operation in the biased treatment of crimes upon white people by anyone of color. This will escalate.

At the same time the democide is killing the white West, a mass migration of peoples of color are invading the US and Europe who have no identity with the American or European cultures. They will be used to rule and replace us, the native culture, as the Marxist overlords break the society and build a new "Iron Curtain" around Aus, NZ, parts of Europe, Canada and the US. To keep the people subjugated, the same methods of isolation and control used by the Soviet Union will be employed. This is what awaits us if we comply.

Jay Horton's avatar

Dang Dave, that's heavy duty stuff there.

Later Jay

Raptor's avatar

I'd add, that if you have cancer or know someone who does and is willing to listen - tell them that cutting out every bit of sugar may help slow the cancer. Many cancer cells depend on glucose for energy. Some estimates say they use 50-100x more glucose than normal cells. Put another way, cancer cells have many more insulin receptors than a normal cell. So if she is insulin resistant, she needs to bear down and cut all the carbs to drive her fasting insulin down (and blood glucose). If it were me (and it has been), I would cut every little carb out I could, get a BG monitor (she should ask for a CGM) and talk to her doc about metformin as part of her treatment plan.

Totally unsolicited advice I know, but just like with the Fenben, someone should present all treatments known for good decision making.

May God protect your sister and the Holy Spirit minister to her as she goes thru her treatment.

Natalie's avatar

FLCCC has put out a paper on cancer care. They also have a webinar that discusses all of this. I highly recommend going to their website and taking a look. Here's a link to the Cancer Care PDF: file:///C:/Users/HP/Documents/Fitness%20and%20Health/Cancer-Care-2023-06-28--FLCCC.pdf

Jay Horton's avatar

My wife hooked me up with juicing carrots -like so many that I started getting a little orange-red tint plus bone broth. I stopped the juicing just into my treatments but kept up the bone broth as after the chemo started all taste changed. Not saying this is a cure or anything like that, but I am pretty sure it helped me in a positive way. A positive attitude goes a long way also. Dec 21 will be 6 years free so,...... Also, at Sam's they sell Premier protein drinks which are way better tasting and a little cheaper than the ones mentioned -at least to me.

Also, I went to The Proton Therapy Institute in Jax. Dr. Roi Dagan is my Oncologist.

Hope this helps.

Later Jay

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

My husband just forwarded me a video about sugar abd cancer. I've posted it on the C&C Telegram channel. Basically it says they've known for decades that sugar DRIVES cancer but continue with expensive and toxic chemo and radiation.

Wheaton's avatar

Steve Jobs famously tried to fight his cancer by eating tons of fruit (sugar) and drinking fresh squeezed fruit juices (more sugar) It failed and he died very quickly as a result.

Fred's avatar

🎯 Thanks Raptor! Great data on strict keto and cancer (not from MSM 😡) and more and more evidence on benefits of metformin (same mechanism I suspect)

Renee Marie's avatar

I bought the Fenbendazole from FenBen Labs last year. I had ovarian cancer last year. It’s been stated that cancer is a parasite (I’ve had no jabs).

SB's avatar

So sorry. My neighbor's sister's melanoma came back after 15 years of remission after she got the vid shots.

Dick's avatar

I’m so sorry, Mo. a report from the front. I live in a largely forgotten red state and the stories here are vastly unlike those reported in other areas. I suspect a different formula. But it makes it difficult to convince my loved ones of the dangers, since they never bump into these cases & it’s suppressed in news & the med. community.

Margot Russell's avatar

My daughter, a nurse, and at least thrice times vaxxed, has decided against anymore vaxxes. I see this as a personal victory. Hopefully, she’ll be okay for the foreseeable future. My relief is huge today. I just kept bugging her over two years, even when she asked me to stop. I told her I would not. It’s too important. It’s possible to change a few minds. Just don’t give up.

Julie Young's avatar

My then-19-yr-old daughter developed stage 3a melanoma (which spread to her lymph nodes) within 4 months of getting the vaccine. Her cancer doctor then recommended the booster. After 13 months of immunotherapy she is currently cancer-free. I hope your sister’s treatment is similarly successful!

RJ Rambler's avatar

Thank you for this encouraging news!

Mrs. Itoldya!'s avatar

Cancer Doctors recommending boosters is awful!!!!

Renee Marie's avatar

The last people that should take ANY shots are immune compromised and pregnant women. It’s always been that way, if I’m not mistaken. Another “change” in protocol.

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

I remember early last year my husband was listening to some old guys talking on the HAM radio. They were talking about all this new cancer explosion after the jabs. This one guy said he'd asked his oncologist at MD Anderson if she'd seen a large increase in cases lately. She said yes, she sure had, all kinds. They'd been really busy. He said, "Well, what do you think the vaccine might be causing that?". She said, "Well, it really doesn't matter what I think so we're not talking about that right now." She changed the subject but before he left, she reminded him he needed to get his vaxes up-to-date! The other guys on the radio asked what he was going to do? He said, "Well, these doctors are the best in the country, I'm going to do what they say and continue going!" Not sure if the guy is still alive, but this just shows the cancer doctors DO KNOW. How could they NOT?? Cancer doctors are the only doctors that buy their drugs (chemo) and then re-sell them to their patients!

GoodGrief-239's avatar

Did she take the booster?

Julie Young's avatar

Sadly, yes. She has more trust in the government, Big Pharma and Big medicine than in the opinions of her nutty conspiracy theorist parents.

Peter GL's avatar

You mean a doctor actually advised AGAINST the vaccine? Where is he practicing? It will be good to know

Janet's avatar

There are some seeing the light. My sister’s cardiologist said he’d fire her as a patient if she got a booster. After recovering from cv, she got the J&J shot. Ended up needing cardiac bypass surgery for clots, stints in an already declogged L carotid, has a renal artery clot. “ I’m full of clots”. Refuses to consider the jab caused these issues (even when I point out the J&J was pulled for these exact issues). She blames our Governor for opening schools back up. Won’t go anywhere without her N95. I point out the virus is aerosolized and masks provide zero protection. “Oh I know” with glazed over eyes. She’s a “long hauler” now, of course.

And was a very good RN (ICU and OR) before she got into the school system up in NY. Anyway, her cardiologist is in Venice/Sarasota area.

Peter GL's avatar

pray for her ... the only thing left to do

Janet's avatar

She’s got 9 lives.

She also has people praying for her- one a Reverend, stage 4 breast cancer survivor of 20+ years now. She is an amazing soul- a direct link to Jesus if I ever knew one. Really a family friend, we grew up in a very small town. When I’m in her presence, or looking into her eyes I’m overcome with a sense of peace, love, God. I could extrapolate but you get the picture.

Virtue Mustwin's avatar

It was an oncologist in Naples, Florida, affiliated with a cancer center. I will have to ask here for the specifics.

Raptor's avatar

My FIL has a doc in Melbourne FL who told him to not get another jab after he got the shingles twice and now has ongoing neuropathy assoc. with shingles. He got both episodes right after shot one and two. He had the shingrix shot.

Raptor's avatar

I don't know the guys name, not that I would say. He would prob lose license.

Heather LibertyCricket's avatar

My sister in laws dad was told the same about his cancer that came back after 10 years cancer free that would just never respond to treatment this time. The cancer doc. in WA state of all places, agreed with his assessment it was the two Pfizer he got. "We are seeing a lot of this" So sad. He made it 15 months. And was then killed by a new (expensive) cancer drug they convinced him to try based on lies about outcomes. He died a horrible death after starting to bleed from every orifice and choosing to stop the drug and give up. The wife overheard the staff talking about how he lasted five months before the bleeding started. Most only lasted four months. But they didn't tell them this when he was deciding on whether to take the drug or not. Had they done that, he would have tried the herbal and ivermectin route. No $$$ there...

RebeccaGrrrl's avatar

This singular fact of what the wife heard, I wonder if that should be a lawsuit? Or a class action assuming there were others? How horrible for your sis in laws dad. I'm so sorry about that.

Heather LibertyCricket's avatar

Yes. I wondered the same. At the very least, report the side effects. But she got wrapped up in death care for 3 weeks and then grieving, and just wanted to move on. It is very sad.

Bandit's avatar

Do you know the name of the drug they were giving him that made him bleed?

I have a very good friend that got cancer after taking the shots. I don't know how many. They get it into remission, but it keeps coming back. 😭

Heather LibertyCricket's avatar

I don-t know the name of the drug that caused this. Only that it is new and was a last resort (probably experimental?). His cancer would respond to treatment briefly then come roaring back worse than before within a month till this was the only option western med had left for him. My sister in law and I had an herbal plan for him but the doc made this sound so viable that her dad wanted to try this. Had he known he was going to get 4 months before he started losing energy quickly due to massive blood loss, he would have done the herbal route for those final 4 months. And they may not have been his final 4. He was only 60when he died.

Heather LibertyCricket's avatar

I'm very sorry for your friend's struggle.

Tracy's avatar

How is this not the epitomy of evil? Another case of they knew and didn't warn him what he had in store for him. I am completely sickened by this.

Heather LibertyCricket's avatar

Yes. Ir was at that moment the wife felt sick. Prior to that she had thought the docs were trying to help him live. It was pretty awful. And I of course told my sister in law how to file a report for the side effects, but her step mom was too traumatized after his death to do that. That is what makes it so hard to help save others. They traumatize the patient so they can't complain.

Tracy's avatar

Terrible what they do.

Verve's avatar

oh so sorry, that's despicable treatment!

Kittykat's avatar

Wow good for those doctors. The cancer risk of these products were suspected from the beginning.

Natalie's avatar

My husband is a doctor, and one of his patients has seen a cardiologist in Ann Arbor. The cardiologist told the patient not to get the COVID booster. I don't know if the cardiologist was affiliated with University of Michigan, but it is almost miraculous that a doctor in Ann Arbor would speak against the COVID shot. My husband was thrilled.

Michelle Rollinger's avatar

That’s incredible!! I live in Canton and I’m shocked a doctor in Ann Arbor would say that!! There might be hope for the future.

Natalie's avatar

Yes, my husband and I were shocked, too.

ENCmd's avatar

Suggest she research the Burzynski clinic in Houston. Where I’m planning to go if needed. Deeply sorry and

📿 for you and your sister! https://www.burzynskiclinic.com/

Elaine H's avatar

Research Joe Tippens protocol.

Vonu's avatar

Did they tell her any of this before she took the first two shots?

Truth 101's avatar

A friend's breast cancer came back after the "vaccine." This time it is the invasive type. They have it in check for now.

AL's avatar

Please refer her to Dr. Marik's and Lee Merritt's cancer protocols. What she advocates cannot hurt at all and can only help.

Jay Horton's avatar

Virtue Mustwin,

My best to you and yours.

Later Jay

Alison Smith's avatar

Because they get kickbacks for everyone who is vaccinated.

The Fifster's avatar

You mean a commission? My GP keeps pushing this crap on my whole family every office visit every year....As Slick Willy once said "Have they no shame?"

Sarai's avatar

Fire your GP NOW. And tell them why.

RunningLogic's avatar

Answer: no. No they do not 😡

Peace's avatar

RL - not sure if you were indicating that docs are not being incentivized for C shots. But, in case you're thinking they do not receive any moneys . . . From Malone: https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/vaccine-provider-incentive-program?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=583200&post_id=136027271&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

RunningLogic's avatar

Oh not what I was implying at all, sorry that I was unclear! I know the doctors are! The “they do not” was referring to something else (can’t recall exactly what since I can’t find the beginning of the thread!).

Dawn B's avatar

Doctors have been getting kickbacks a long time for writing scripts.

Finding a doctor with common sense and integrity is rare.

Mine is soomewhere in the middle and have him for emergencies and only take advice with a grain of salt.

People today trust doctors every word as we have been taught to believe, but those rebellious free thinkers always question and are met with anger by the know-it-alls....

Alison Smith's avatar

Bonus, kickback, commission, all the same thing

Raptor's avatar

He said that? Kinda funny.

JLock's avatar

We need to pass a law that requires doctors to disclose to patients any financial or performance incentives they receive BEFORE giving patients mRNA gene therapy injections.

Alison Smith's avatar

Or any injection/vaccination

RebeccaGrrrl's avatar

Excellent! Don't we already have a law like that though? It's the EUA that got them around the C19 shots.

Peace's avatar

No laws already, or people would need to be getting informed. The pediatric vaccine "incentive" is $400 per child (annual) but ONLY if the practice has a certain percentage of their practice fully vaccinated. Thus families getting kicked out of pediatric practices if not complying. Parents making vax decisions for their children are also not informed that their child has a $400 price tag on their head.

RebeccaGrrrl's avatar

I'm not sure you're right about 'no laws already', but maybe you are. It seems a quagmire of info with a quick internet search. I'll put links I thought were interesting at the bottom of this comment.

Regarding the C19 jab, that is a disgusting incentive. Nothing related to health!!!! THAT kind of "incentivaxxing" as it should be called should be absolutely outlawed, and anything similar. 😡

Regarding actual "rules" whether law or regulations or simply guidance, here are a few interesting links. It varies from law, if it's for 'experiments' (aka studies) or exactly what, but it's all a lot of mumbo jumbo which ends up in gumbo soup and no effective informed consent:

HHS Informed Consent FAQs

https://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/regulations-and-policy/guidance/faq/informed-consent/index.html

NIH 'Informed Consent'

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK430827/

FDA Informed Consent guidance

https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/informed-consent

Informed Consent Laws in Nevada

https://www.claggettlaw.com/2019/07/24/informed-consent-laws-in-nevada/

Wolfgang Exel Watson's avatar

What part of "depopulation program" do people not understand? That it is only the "others" that need to go? No, it is "the more - the merrier" the psychopaths will be.

AJF's avatar

Oh but you can't call it a kickback cause that's illegal!🤔

MOMinator's avatar

A good friend’s 13-year old niece just endured months of treatments including bone marrow transplant (successful so far) for leukemia (AML?).

My friend was devastated to learn that the cancer docs at St Jude’s injected her niece with the latest shot at her most recent appointment.

How could the parents allow this?!!! I’m so outraged, so sad…

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I sent an email to St. Jude's when they forced their employees to get the covid death shot.

Wrote that they were in violation of the Nuremberg Code.

No response from St. Jude's...

Kim D's avatar

I started to get wise to their compromised status quite a few years ago when Marlo Thomas took over for her dad as spoke person. It's hard to trust any celebrity today.

Karen's avatar

I agree totally. Very different value system from her father.

MOMinator's avatar

A bit of background…the parents injected all 3 of the children. When the oldest was diagnosed, my friend and I realized the likely cause, but the parents have remained clueless as far as we can tell.

She and I pray a lot 🙏🏼

Fred's avatar

Once jabbed and damage done, feels more kind to just discourage more shots, you know, based on ineffectiveness. Esp with kids.

Mo's avatar

Our community is dealing with a similar story. We are praying for a 14 yo with acute myeloid leukemia. I was broken-hearted to hear the doctors gave her all of the childhood immunizations after her bone marrow transplant. I am sure they included the Covid jab as well.

Sunnydaze's avatar

Same happened to a friend of ours. 9 yrs old. Bone marrow transplant. First thing mom said was “now it’s time to start all the childhood vaccines all over again” 😔. I was horrified.

Jay Horton's avatar

They try this crap whenever my Son goes in. Not happening. He ended up with bone marrow transplant. It's a terrible thing.

Later Jay

MaryAnn's avatar

Former husband, fully jabbed/boosted, just died of AML. At first we were told it is treatable with strong remission after 2-3 rounds of chemo. What they failed to mention is the majority do not survive first round.

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Gosh, it's a 16 yr old boy here. 😢

SadieJay's avatar

St. Judes? Ugh...we have had to cut down on our donations and that was one that we reluctantly cut out. Now, I am glad we did after hearing that. Shame on them.

Peter GL's avatar

did the parents consent to the shot or was it forced upon her, a la sex change on minors?

MOMinator's avatar

They didn’t object, is what my friend told me. ☹️

KLo's avatar

I think I have heard as patients they are required to have them? And visitors (meaning parents) at the hospital too? I could be wrong though....

devoalan's avatar

My bride, with multiple myeloma, a blood disorder cancer, was and so was I, with essential thrombocythemia, a blood clotting disorder. My bride got the first one. And done. Three years and all is well. I wouldn't go near it. Only because at the time, there was no knowledge, and I just don't trust anyone anymore, for anything, ever. My bride is a retired rn, that would still be working at 71 if it weren't for cancer. Her company boned her good.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

The "forcing function" was so bizarre.

Take this shot against your will or you will lose your job.

Never saw such draconian tactics in my life.

Blair's avatar

No kidding. That should have been a HUGE red flag. Take this experimental vaccine or lose your job and the ability to feed your family. If anyone doubted the evil behind the vaccine mandates, that should have been their final clue.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

The idiot mayor in Pittsburgh, PA told the Pittsburgh Police to take the covid death jab or they would lose their job.

The Pittsburgh Police union president said it wasn't part of the contract we signed.

The police were boots on the ground the entire time while the laptop class were sipping their lattes and doing Zoom calls.

Blair's avatar

I'm glad the polics union president stood up for his officers. I guess some people still shine with their courage. Most "leaders" were cowards (or worse) these past 3.5 years.

devoalan's avatar

Two worlds, Pittsburgh and Philly. On opposite ends.

Dick's avatar

Aye! Should’ve INSTILLED doubt!

That it didn’t is what’s astonishing and dismaying to me. Still waiting for some semblance of reason to set in.

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Forcing most while completely EXEMPTING large groups others? Nah, biggest RED FLAG of all.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Congress was exempt from taking the covid death shot.

People didn't notice?

That, should have tipped everyone off.

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Not just Congress! The WH staff, the FDA, CDC, NIH, USPS and more! Pfizer admitted the jabs for their employees were a separate batch/lot!

Freedom Fox's avatar

"At the time there was no knowledge."

A sentiment shared by many who took the jab.

But, there was. There was the knowledge that those who said 'take the jab' had lied consistently to us the entire year before.

- They lied about masks - don't wear them --> wear them, I lied.

- Two weeks to flatten the curve --> until zero Covid.

- Protesting lockdowns and masks is super-spreader --> protesting suicide of career criminal isn't.

- PCR tests detect infection --> ignore the known 95% false positives.

- Lockdown all small businesses that spread infection --> essential large businesses don't.

- No one can travel, get haircuts, be mask free --> except the leaders who give orders.

- Masks on for cameras --> masks off when cameras off.

These lies were already known *before* the jab was released. And many others. Lies told by the same exact people. People who even looked us in the eye saying men winning women's Olympic weightlifting medals was legit.

But people who took the experimental jabs say "there was no knowledge at the time."

Yes. Yes there was. There was the knowledge that the entire year before was a steady diet of lies. Lie after lie after lie after lie. And yet those who took the jabs believed they were being told the truth about them?!?!

Where did common sense go? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Common sense. To not trust proven liars. The little tyrannical midget's "I lied to you to save masks for emergency workers" confession to lying for a 'greater good' should've been enough.

To be treated as children unable to handle the truth gave us all we needed to know. Masks don't work, never worked. The lie was declaring his opening truth was a lie. And it never stopped.

Believing a proven and admitted liar was just like a battered spouse believing their abuser won't hit them again. Wanting to believe so badly they ignore their own experience. Their common sense.

God gave you, us, common sense, the gift of discernment. To never trust a liar. Never. You knew, we knew at the time. You, we just didn't listen.

Never trust a liar. You, we cannot change the past. But heed God's gift from now on. Those proven liars aren't to be believed about anything. Climate change. Flexible gender. Digital currency. EV's. Smart cities. Artificial food. Fluoride. Voting integrity. Medicine. All built on a pack of lies repeatedly told by lying liars. #1 protection: Turn off mainstream media.

The truth shall set you free!

shayne's avatar

Very early on doctors in Europe were sounding the warnings. Geert Vanden Bossche was very outspoken. That's who I listened to. Plus my husband was a charge nurse on the covid ward in his hospital from the beginning, and it was nothing like what the news was spreading. In NY city, people where videoing their hospitals' emergency areas showing there were no waiting lines, no people, but the news reported the hospitals were inundated. Trump brought a ship into port to deal with the overflow. They never had one patient. So I knew it was all bull shit. I never masked, and I'll never in future. I got some dirty looks and comments, but I ignored them. All those people had to do was set aside their fear, and look around.

Freedom Fox's avatar

Those of us who did the research knew they were lying and 'the science' they were spouting was demonstrably false. And to not be Guinea pigs in a massive experiment.

But even without having the resources and intellectual capacity to read medical science research and become fully informed why they were a bad idea to take, all anyone needed to do was lean into and remember the common sense and wisdom we all were born with to never trust a proven liar. No matter what their excuse is. Liars are going to lie. First lie, never trust another word out of their mouth. That's an instinctive thing that even average to below average intelligence working folk know.

It's the working man's protection against 'slickers' who come to town to prey on the country bumpkins, the ignorant rubes who they believe are easy marks. Common sense that makes them smarter and wiser than the urban college educated afluent class. Natural protection God gives to equalize man. But too many ignored their own instincts and trusted the demonstrably untrustworthy.

#NeverAgain about anything that comes out of those same people's mouths. Media, politicians, academics, corporate honchos. All proven liars. Zero credibility. Even when they say the sky is blue don't believe them. Check for yourself.

Tom's avatar

"The science has changed." "The Science" changed from a METHOD to an APPEAL TO AUTHORITY.

This was enough knowledge to refuse the vack-seen on the grounds that it's impossible to give informed consent based on a logical fallacy.

Karen's avatar

And there was knowledge that the shot was developed using aborted fetal tissue. This should have been a big "heads up" for everyone.

Mrs. Itoldya!'s avatar

All vaccines are. Every single one, injected more & more into babies..

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

I listened to several doctors sounding off about the dangers of this new technology and the potential ingredients. Their voices were of course silenced. If all that wasn't bad enough when I heard the vaxes contained a substance called "Luciferace" that just pounded it home. No way, no how, EVER. If it must be, it's the hill I die on.

Freedom Fox's avatar

Indeed. And whether or not it contains luciferace or graphene or aborted fetal tissue or any of the hazards we understand exist, we don't trust liars. About anything. Remember, the same people who told you to mask up and take the jab looked you in the eye, through the camera lens and told you men won women's Olympic medals. If someone will look at you and tell you such a patent lie, objectively false, like a boy is a girl, without flinching or an ounce of shame what else will they lie to you about? Straight face, bald-faced lie to you. Never again to be trusted. That person, that news source that politician, that academic, that corporate spokesperson, none of them deserve any of your trust about anything! They're not just confused or holding a different belief system that you should accommodate. They are telling you an objective lie. That you must give no quarter. Nor any word that ever follows out of their lying mouths. Climate. Gender. Carbon. Food. Digital currency. None of it is truth. It's all a web of lies designed to control you. Stay with eternal truth you've always known, the truth of your elders. And God is great. His word stands as eternal truth. Not updated interpretations for our times that promote inclusivity and outreach to the young who don't like eternal truth that humbles them and their hubris.

ENCmd's avatar

😭📿❤️ for you both!

STH's avatar

Ah I have a jabbed neighbor who’s multiple myeloma has just come dancing out of remission.

devoalan's avatar

I hope my bride stays safe. She’s been three years now and doing better that she has since getting off the Revlamid. That shit will kill you. If we had an gp that knew anything, we might have caught this before it erased her c7 vertebrae. “Get a message, here’s some physical therapy”. Not once for a whole ducking year did anyone test her for anything. I ended up paying cash for an mri begging the doc to approve it. Didn’t care anymore. Just do it. “ oh you appear to be missing a vertebrae”. That pretty much crippled her. Otherwise she’s in total remission and appears to be fine. Good luck to your neighbor.

brenda packer's avatar

I have niece, 49 years old, that had a brain tumor some 20 years ago. Subsequent surgery removed most of it and she had been closely monitored since. She has been a strong advocate of the poison jabs, even having her 2 sons, ages 6 & 8, get jabbed. And she had all the boosters. They told her to take the poison to “protect” her due to her cancer history. Suddenly in 2020, her tumors were back, multiple ones. Surgery again. Then a few months ago, another surgery because they saw something on her brain scan that they weren’t sure of.

The most baffling part of all of this, is that she is a lab manager for Astra Zeneca (formerly MedImmune which was bought by AstraZeneca). Her lab’s specialty is in CANCER research!!!

Her treatments have been the most aggressive I have ever seen. Until now, I had never heard of a cancer med that was so dangerous, that the ‘patient’ is required to wear gloves to take the pills!!! And she has to quarantine herself while on them. The drs are going to kill her. I pray for her steadily.

What a coincidence that so many cancer researchers, end up with cancer.......🤨

brenda packer's avatar

And actually, it could have been late 2020 or early 2021. My mom passed away in April 2020 and my niece’s surgery was well after that.

Shelle's avatar

2020 was before the shots, though. What do you think spurred the return of her cancer?

brenda packer's avatar

I assume it was because they knew they didn’t get it all the first time and it was inevitable. But the surgery in 2020, they claimed got it all. I forgot that she had another surgery between the 2020 & her most recent one. This recent one was the third one since it returned in 2020. The cancer spread (more than one tumor) and was more aggressive after she took the jabs.

I guess my main point was that because she had a history with brain cancer, they told her she had to get the shots & boosters, and to me, I think it opened the door to a “turbo” situation.

She is a very intelligent girl. It kills me that she believes that all of this would benefit her. And also that so many cancer “researchers” end up with cancer.

Shelle's avatar

Yes, there's clearly something not well understood that so many cancer doctors get cancer. And it's striking that I've seen so many get the exact type of cancer they specialize in.

BBS's avatar

The first covid shot was given December 14, 2020.

Melanie Eccles's avatar

Crazy, malicious, absurd... there are just not enough words to describe this evil insanity.

TB's avatar

How about "malicious, mean and scary"? :)

Peter GL's avatar

maybe the "doctor" is tired of treating your friend and received a grant from the vax makers to study the effects of the vax on cancer? After all, isn't Professor Richard Scolyer testing a new mRNA vax on himself? I'm sorry for your friends travails

Annie's avatar

They should ask the doctors how much they will make from their recommendation. Ka-ching 🤑

STH's avatar

Wow Kathleen! My childhood friend battling stage 4 lung cancer within 6mos of getting her first two shots was told by her oncologist NOT to get any more. He never elaborated why. Just told her a vague “you don’t need them”

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I was stunned when he told me the cancer doctor told him to take the shots.

He even got boosters.

WyoGirl's avatar

Same - When my husband started a cancer therapy the doctors badgered him for weeks to get the shot, saying his immune system would be compromised and the shot would protect him. He had already had covid and beat it. What could be better than the immunity he already had? Anyway, he didn't get the shot and we know he's better off.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Thanks goodness he didn't listen.

AL's avatar

I don't think even the doctors could fathom that the shots cause the cancer they are only making worse by adding more shots. They do what they are told by their boards and licensing agencies. I am not excusing them, but they've been going along like this for decades and don't possess the specific knowledge to refute what they are told. And they are handcuffed by their med. malpractice insurance that will only cover them if they act within very specific bounds of practice.

Peace's avatar

KJ - Sounds like it's time for a new doctor who is keeping up with the real science!

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

VA still pushing covid shots for veterans.

Along with flu shot + RSV = death for sure

Peace's avatar

Who in their right mind would take all of these at once? Actually, who would take any of them at all? Not I, said the little red hen!

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Well, this was the most effective military psyops ever.

Studied for years.

Vonu's avatar

Did you offer him any alternatives, assuming he'd listen to you or them?

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

He refused to listen to my warnings.

Vonu's avatar

Such actions are the leading cause of death by medicine.

Jeff C's avatar

I could not agree more. Because she once engaged in extremely foolish and dangerous activity (injecting unknown substances in her body) that now justifies doing it again? Who uses this type of twisted and demeaning logic on others? More important, who falls for it?

This is the classic bad faith argument where someone uses guilt and false reasoning to manipulate another person. People who do this to others are not good people. I never put up with this in my life, and you shouldn't either. Furthermore, people should call it out for what it is when someone tries it on them.

If you genuinely need correction, the Holy Spirit will use your conscience to do it. People who do this to others on the other hand, almost always do it for control and/or money.

Jeff C's avatar

I'll add that this type of stuff is everywhere. Unless they have high personal integrity, this type of manipulation is common from commissioned sales people, in advertising, and public relations. They do it because it works. Example: "how would you feel knowing your passing left your wife and kids destitute? That's why you need our life insurance." I do have life insurance because it's a smart thing to do, not because some giant corporation guilted me into it.

It took me a long time to learn this but I never let anything anyone says allow to me to feel guilty unless I know they love me and they are a Bible-believing Christian. Only then IMO, is it likely they are being used of God as a tool for correction. Absent those two factors, guilt is almost always instead being used as a manipulation tactic.

STH's avatar

My husbands doctor on a zoom call with us tried the guilt tactic to get him on Crestor. He said I wouldn’t enjoy taking care of a stroke victim. I’ve researched the heck of of statins and told him the risks of dementia, diabetes and neuropathy also aren’t fun. And furthermore your Jupiter study sites relative risk reduction NOT the absolute risk which is one protected for every 100 with all the statin side effects. We’ll take that risk. 🙄 You really have to know your stuff or they will gaslight the heck of you. If any of you statin takers want more info find the you tube videos by Dr. David Diamond, Dr. Ken Barry and Dr. Aseem Halhotra. Or Dr. Mercola. Or read The Dark Side of Statins by Dr. Duane Graveline. 🤑

Jeff C's avatar

"Wouldn't enjoy taking care of a stroke victim", excuse my French but what a POS. That is a ugly, hard-hearted person.

A person of integrity would have shown you the data that backs up why a statin's reward exceeds it's risk, and why its the right thing for your husband's personal situation. But as you point out, that data doesn't exist. Instead, a manipulator tries to induce a guilt trip.

When people say stuff like this we really need to call them out on it. I made an offhand comment a few weeks ago about the selfishness of the baby boomer generation based on plenty of evidence (I'm a boomer myself). Another boomer tried to shut me down claiming I was "othering" an entire group, compared me to Marxists like Stalin, and demanded I repent. Of course I let her have it right back as it was the classic bad-faith shaming guilt trip tactic. I don't know her personal situation but likely my comment hit a little too close to home.

Like I said, this stuff is everywhere and people do it for all sorts of reasons. Usually it's money or control, but often it's to assuage their own conscience of something they feel guilty about. The homosexual and trans activists are famous for it ("unless you validate me I'll kill myself and it will be your fault!").

Call it out whenever it happens and give it right back to people. We need to let people know we see right through it and it doesn't work.

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

The doctors probably have no idea what the studies say. They've just listened to the young, cute, gum-popping drug rep in a short skirt who pushed it on him, while mentioning the week-long, all expenses paid, Crestor "convention" in Cabo later that year...but only if they met the prescribing "quota". 😉 Watch "DopeSick" and "Painkiller".

SadieJay's avatar

I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Dr. has tried to get me to take statins for years. Cholesterol was 207. Lost 65 lbs, only eat clean and unprocessed food and it shot up to 350. All their numbers mean nothing in the scheme of God's creation. They are made up to sell drugs. Period. It opened my eyes to the perils of submitting ones self to the 'medical authority'. I am healthier than I have ever been in my life. The warfare is real and so is the fear, but knowing God is in control and has the end game gives peace. ♥

DenverDad's avatar

Old saying “people don’t care what you know until they know you care” didn’t hold water because of the brainwashing and dumbing down of the population. Think critically and only trust those that truly care. Compassion shouldn’t be unique, but the decades of heart hardening have made it a reality today. I speak as someone that WAS hardened but, after being born again, feel awful when I see a raccoon on the road that didn’t make it across. My heart cries, daily, for the misguided and unsaved souls all around me and sniping from behind keyboards. Peace makers are targeted and more are needed. May Jesus’ peace be with all who read this.

Tom's avatar

From Isaiah 53:3 He was "a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief."

Those conformed to His image understand this passage.

Keep walking in His Spirit, DenverDad. He promises peace that surpasses all understanding.

CaplT's avatar

“commissioned salespeople” excellent.

Re covid it includes Birx, Fauci, social media, politicians, hospitals, WHO, doctors who were paid per shot, et al.

Michele's avatar

This comment is spot on.

Wolfgang Exel Watson's avatar

It was murder. And please search for her name and look at when she died. It is absolutely disgusting what is happening. She was an activist and outspoken against vaccine mandates. She also rejected the ICC arrest warrant against Putin. It has all been scrubbed. This is what I am asking all commenters here: "When did she die?" Thank you.

Wolfgang Exel Watson's avatar

And to answer the question about how to name the new version of cancer:

Let's call it "INSTACANCER".

Bones's avatar

Warp, speed cancer

Jo's avatar

I LIKE this word. It has a high-tech, man-made vibe.

Wolfgang Exel Watson's avatar

Yes, it's as smooth as instant coffee. Although we need to be careful here. Because the next thing we will hear is, that "Cancer is Good for You!"

Mark St's avatar

That's good for the average people who were forced to take the jabs.

I prefer Karma Cancer for the ones who were cheerleading, cajoling and threatening everyone to take them.

Wolfgang Exel Watson's avatar

When You look at it from a larger perspective, it is all Karmacancer. Those who were forced/coerced should have said "No" - no matter what the consequences. It is fear of the unknown that made people comply. You know the routine: fear of loss of employment, fear of loss of housing and so forth - including, but not limited to fear of loss of one's partner/spouse. No, it was not worth caving in to fear. It may sound callous, but what is the better outcome - losing Your job, or Your health? Losing Your house - or Your life?

Naturally, in hindsight it is easy to assess the mistakes that were made. I suffer from this torment as well. Honestly however, we always do what we deem the best thing to do. Nobody ever chooses to suffer, to get hurt, or harmed.

And absolutely yes. I am all for boostering those criminal psychopaths up until the spike proteins ooze out of their eyes. In this case, unconditional love and forgiveness will have to take a time out.

TB's avatar

I'd question that a little - I have family who just trusted the doctors / govt / whatever and thought they were "protecting themself". It becomes a bit of a stretch at that point to call it "karma for trusting someone who hasn't visibly hurt you before but this time they are hurting you and you don't realize".

Wolfgang Exel Watson's avatar

But there is fear involved, too. "Protecting themselves" - from what? This question has been on my mind a lot about the whole event. People that proclaim to believe in God are abandoning their belief that - as a sticker tells - "God's in Control" and give into getting injected. It makes no sense to me. I don't think any Amish people are 'vaccinated'. Are there any statistics about that? Fear is at the core of compliance in every case. My father was made fearful and took the jab and died from it.

Karma is a touchy subject. In the west, the people lack its constant presence. It remains a foreign concept. It would also be interesting to find out how those under the influence of Karma are coping with the consequences of the plandemic/genocide.

Michele's avatar

It is actually quite common in recovery communities, that line of reasoning. "Oh, NOW all of a sudden you care about your health? You never used to!" Sadly, that logic/tactic makes a lot of sense to the newly recovering: "Did you ever drink because you had a hard day? A good day? Well, go to a meeting if you had a hard day, good day." Idea being to channel that addictive tendency and IL-logic into pursuit of healthier behaviors.

But it breaks down, eventually. My response became: "Well I didn't get sober to keep doing the same things I did when I drank."

Jeff C's avatar

God bless you MIchele, thirty five years clean and sober myself.

I will say that some of the most important lessons in life I learned in AA (the toxicity of self-pity, the importance of laughing at our own foibles, honesty in dealing with others, etc.). Through God's grace He put some amazing people in my life right when I needed to hear it.

Perhaps AA has changed as I've not been to a meeting in decades, but what made it work back then was that normal people with some hard lessons learned were there to help each other. It wasn't a "recovery group" where someone with a psychology degree was being paid to do it. It wasn't a career or a money maker, but just normal people who had figured out how to stay sober and lead productive lives sharing it with others.

Speaking of psychology degrees, have you ever noticed people with them seem to be the most messed up? My personal theory is that messed up people are attracted to psychology degrees as they think it will help cure themselves. Instead they get fed a bunch of psychobabble that makes things worse. What they really need is God's grace.

Michele's avatar

This comment resonates with me so much, thanks for posting it. AA saved my life, no doubt about it. I loved that it was not for profit, that it was available to anyone, I loved the shared experience of what worked, I loved being able to laugh again, over the peculiar ways of thinking and acting that only alcoholics and addicts have.

I did not love everything about it, but was deeply involved for years. Eventually, it felt as if its solutions, while they applied to my alcoholism, were not applicable to certain other life tests I was experiencing. I too, stopped going to meetings, as there was much prosperity gospel and psychologizing there.

I also think there is an element of vampirism with psychologists in the recovery field, too. Not all of them, obviously, but I've met a fair number who seem to get very excited about knowing the ins and outs of the addict's low-life and escapades and struggles, while yet not being addicts (to drugs, at any rate) themselves. It's almost like a lib's virtue signal. Like they have some privileged knowlege that makes them better than their friends who just sell office supplies for a living.

But I'm grateful for everything AA gave me that is a lasting good--relationship with God, rigorous gratitude practice, the ability to ask for help, a certain perspective on my behavior no shrink could ever provide (and you are probably right--that perspective has everything to do with God's grace).

And it was my relationship with God that informed how I dealt with Covid and all the bs that ensued. I didn't fall for the fear because I have that fatalistic attitude--if God wants me sick, or dead, I can take all the precautions in the world, and it won't help. Because I am not in charge. Just like I was basically killing myself with booze, yet for some reason, God wanted me alive, and sober. What a gift! Congrats to you too!

Tom's avatar

Regarding psychology degrees: Carl Jung was an occultist.

AnnR's avatar

God bless you in your sobriety!!!

Michele's avatar

Thank-you, it is a gift I am grateful for every day, many times throughout the day!

GG's avatar

I read extensively and I've always wondered how the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, the Cambodian genocide, the Russian Revolution and other horrific events were allowed to transpire. I always thought, "I would not stand for these things. Surely, if I had been there, if I had lived through that, I would have stood up and tried to stop it." And then I lived through the pandemic and Biden's illegitimate presidency and the invasion of our southern border. All my illusions have been destroyed. I wouldn't have stood up or done anything then. I haven't stood up or done anything now. I don't know what to do except read my C&C, talk to fellow headscratchers and despair.

Cynthia Ford's avatar

I think that knowing and speaking (or posting) the truth IS to act in a world where delusion is enveloping so many. When huge numbers of people are swept up in delusion, just standing in truth is an act of spiritual resistance. I've read about all of those too, and I wondered too, especially about how people outside of the death camps could walk through the rain of ashes to go to the store or for a walk, and I think we are there now, that it is derealization, depersonalization, dissociation, and a sense of helplessness perhaps. Jordan Peterson says it makes us stronger to realize that we, being human, are capable of the worst and the most magnificent, that most of us would've been bystanders or camp guards, but just by recognizing your own capacity for evil, not seeing it as something out there, in other people, you neutralize its power over you, and you can use that energy to align with the highest spiritual or humanitarian good. And just standing in what you see as being true and refusing to be engulfed by what might be metaphysical and what might be a neuroscientific way our brains combine, you act powerfully against evil. Or so my thinking goes, whatever that's worth lol.

daverkb's avatar

Every act of resistance is a victory. Even small acts in the millions add up to something big. And reading through C & C today with the stories tells me that the Evil Ones now have a big problem on their hand, rejection of The Narrative in the millions as I suspect.

I know that you take God seriously and I think you have great curiosity. This is off the immediate subject. It relates to literature and the March through the Institutions, even long before that turn of phrase was coined.

https://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/commonsenseshow/hr1092523.mp3

P.S. Yours was a great post. And some good replies. Many people have this kind of thing first and last rattling around in their minds. I have had to ask of myself the very same.

Tom's avatar

Don't despair. We're meant to learn to walk in faith. We're being taught discipline. This passage is better in it's full context:

1 Kings 19 9:10 (ESV)

There he came to a cave and lodged in it. And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, and he said to him, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” He said, “I have been very jealous for the Lord, the God of hosts. For the people of Israel have forsaken your covenant, thrown down your altars, and killed your prophets with the sword, and I, even I only, am left, and they seek my life, to take it away.”

Michele's avatar

It ain't over--you may yet have to--and be graced with the courage to--stand up.

But I think about this all the time, living in CA.

Here, we are the workshop for every bad idea. "If I was Jewish in 1930s Germany, wouldn't I have left?" I mean, the writing is on the wall. Time to go. Yet...here I still am. 🤡

SadieJay's avatar

I am not a shill for my substack, but I wrote this and it seems to apply. People are wussies and we would like to think we would do better than they did in the past, but...yeah, I don't see it happening. https://sadiejay.substack.com/p/think-for-yourself

this little authoritarian's avatar

What's more baffling is that after giving up other drugs you wouldn't consider being wary of ALL of them, regardless of legality or doctor's recommendation.

AnnR's avatar

It seems like she WAS wary, but she was convinced by that false argument presented by her doctor.

AJ's avatar

That was truly evil towards her. There is no low that is low enough.I hope how they manipulated Ms. Mandela gets spread far and wide.Utter cruelty.

Jan Dickmeyer's avatar

Thanks Ann for putting my own cringe into the perfectly described Evil of virtue shaming.

Annie's avatar

Unfortunately I put nothing past the so called "medical health" community.

Transcriber B's avatar

This was a classic appeal to sloth. A lot of people fell for it.

Kim D's avatar

That's the standard Western Medical Doc retort. I've experienced similiar ones when rejecting vaccines.

nancy knox-bierman's avatar

As a recovering alcoholic, I found that equally repulsive.

My mental counter was "No, but I no longer possess the self-destructive streak I had back then either."

Poor girl. That was unconscionable.

Janna's avatar

So basically: You weren't afraid of ingesting poisonous substances before, so what's your issue now?

What kind of twisted logic is this? It sounds like a dare!

Jon Stephenson's avatar

Yes, appalling coercion! I would say Zoleka is still responsible for her own choices, though. If that's all it took to convince her, she really didn't need much convincing, did she?

TRM's avatar

Her illegal drug dealers were at least honest with her about what was in the shots LOL

Valerie's avatar

I agree with you... shut the whole government down. I see very little being done that isn’t simply waste.

Annie's avatar

Not just waste but treasonous activities as well. As far as Mccarthy goes, all he does in kabuki theater. He does not serve the people. Two traitors would be a good title for the pic of him and mitch the turtle.

SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Waste, treason, and murder -- both here and abroad.

rolandttg's avatar

the sad reality is that shutting down the USG would save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people, actually millions around the globe. More people have already dies in the Ukraine conflict than US soldiers in WWII. Ponder that for a moment, Mr. McConnell.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/09/david-stockman/why-mitch-mcconnell-is-one-sick-fk/

Politico Phil's avatar

They will suck us dry before they ever give up power. They will not ever leave voluntarily.

Wolfhound77's avatar

"They will not ever leave voluntarily."

So be it. But they leave they will as our long term survival depends upon it.

Jaci's avatar

Mitch probably has never endured the reality of war within his family....seems they all evade the realities

CStone's avatar

Good article. Shared on the book of faces.

Peace's avatar

CStone "book of faces" - took me a minute:)

Anthony's avatar

I remember in the 90s as a teenager being worried about the government shutting down. It was all over the radio. The government did indeed shut down. And... nothing happened. It was then I knew that government was unnecessary. At least at the federal level and its level of bloat. It was my first step toward becoming small government minded.

skeptic bruh's avatar

Be careful what you wish for. A complete shut down would stop whatever "investigations" the govt. is doing... on itself. I am all for a shutdown, but am also torn in wanting to see some of the investigations concluded in my lifetime and maybe (a BIG maybe) someone, somewhere, being held accountable.

Politico Phil's avatar

It's ALL theater. It's all controlled to manipulate the people.

RunningLogic's avatar

I wonder if that’s a ruse on their part though 😕

Valerie's avatar

Yes, there is probably 10% of what the USG does that adds value, that part we would miss.

Paige Green's avatar

Probably about 10% is what the signers of the Constitution had in mind. Unfortunately we’ve wandered well beyond that.

Wolfhound77's avatar

10% might be generous. The military ain't what it used to be.

CaplT's avatar

The special counsels that Garland appointed are not shut down. Congress is not shut down. ...

skeptic bruh's avatar

Woo hoo! Shut the rest down then!

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Do you really believe they're gonna nail ANYONE for all this treason? Have they ever before?

skeptic bruh's avatar

No.... However, I try to have hope, though I know in the back of my mind that nothing will come of these "investigations"... And even if nothing comes from it, I, at the very least, hope more is exposed and it at least slows down the corruption. Slowly people will wake up. Maybe. I hope.

It is so blatant and in your face. They are not even pretending anymore. I feel like OUR govt. is responding in a way that says to the country, "Yeah, so? What are you going to do about it? You can't touch me." and they do more of what we do not want.

They have their own agenda and they don't give a damn about anyone else. They are not trying to solve ANY of our problems anymore, they are just trying to amass enough wealth so our problems are not THEIR problems.

It is ridiculous. We are giving these people a gift & awarding the biggest con ever if we let these scumbags live out the rest of their lives with their wealth, reputation, and power. An example needs to be set, but I do not see anyone on track to set that example.

I do not wish anyone ill will simply because I do not agree with them. I want them to be exposed and punished for the actions they took, knowing damn well it was wrong and would hurt others. Instead, we let these idiots mess everything up, then fade into retirement. Out of sight, out of mind. It is not right.

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

They desperately want a civil war and a reason to declare martial law. Once they have that control through yet another "public emergency due to domestic instability", it's all over. That's why they keep pitting all the "protected classes" against each other, harder and harder. So far, they've been unsuccessful so they keep pushing. If we could reach those who still believe this is a Republican vs Democrat problem and show them it's a Government vs We the People problem, we'd have a better chance.

skeptic bruh's avatar

Yeah. I think about that too. It's how they would justify a gun grab.

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Definitely more Emergency powers enacted (grabbed).

Wolfhound77's avatar

A complete shutdown made permanent might just save America.

Peter GL's avatar

Ronald Reagan: "the most terrifying words are: hello, I'm from the government, I'm here to help"

RJ Rambler's avatar

I'm old enough to remember other government shut downs... WAIT! I DON'T remember! 😆 Actually what I remember is the quietness that pervavaded and easy of getting things done. I live a few miles from the most woke city in downstate Illinois so i can ignore alot but Nat'l government shut down isn't anything like de-funding police!

Politico Phil's avatar

If the Fed Gov't disappeared today, all of our state and local functions continue and our standard of living would take a HUGE jump without the taxes and regulatory cost of the USG. We do not NEED the Fed Gov. What Americans need is the liberty FROM government that allowed the American people to become the most productive people in all of history.

Shelle's avatar

A huge problem is that our buerocraratic government has countless laws that force regular citizens to "need" their services. All sorts of people would be in the lurch, not because they want to interact with government agencies, but because the government requires it. If a family is in the process of adoption, for example, and suddenly can't get a background check and fingerprints run, they are screwed. Things are set up so that we HAVE to use the government for all sorts of things.

That is what also needs to change. Because the truth is they can point to lots of real problems that arise for people when government agencies are shut down, but it could be solved by getting the government out of so many things! It's a circular argument: we can't get by without these government agencies because they have made us go through them. Both issues must be fixed.

ENCmd's avatar

Or outright harmful. Only if they protect our border. Which of course Biden’s controllers will not.

Rosalind McGill's avatar

I’m on disability and my husband is retired military and state transportation so we’d be struggling with a shutdown but it is ridiculous.

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

I don't think SS or Disability would be affected. The military pension maybe.

Rosalind McGill's avatar

Thanks. I was doubting it will happen since we’ve heard it so many times before but this administration is so bizzaro world, who knows what to expect from them.

Rosalind McGill's avatar

I worry about the children depending on WIC & food stamps. I’m an honest person but if I had a hungry child, what would I do to keep them fed?

Merry McIntyre's avatar

And death & destruction.

Based Florida Man's avatar

@GeorgeTakei 8/23/21 A lot of people are angry that employer vaccine mandates are coming. I don't care. We need to do this for the good of all. The asserted freedoms of the willfully unvaccinated do not outwiegh the needs of society nor the right of employers to keep the virus out of the workplace.

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@GeorgeTakei 7/03/22 Happy Independence Day. May we never again be ruled by tyrants.

RunningLogic's avatar

Ugh he’s such a tool and such a blithering idiot!!!

Timbo Slice's avatar

He was only decent as an actor...you know, when he acted like he had some sense.

Marty Kiner's avatar

When someone else supplied the lines he spoke

Timbo Slice's avatar

That still may be happening, but the writers suck.

James D Teel II's avatar

He was good in “The Green Berets” and “Star Trek”, other than that, meh.

Timbo Slice's avatar

yeah, limited, for sure. But I like Sulu. It was funny how the last woke Trek movie made the character gay to fit Takei. Probably, at his request. Just stupid.

TB's avatar

If I recall, the writers did it to "honor" him. Though I'm sure he thought it was a great idea too.

Michelle Rollinger's avatar

Why anyone cares what a person thinks who pretends to be someone else for a living is beyond me. Or an athlete who plays a game for a living....I just don’t get it... I couldn’t care less what they think... but they seem to think we should.🤷🏻‍♀️

TB's avatar

Yes! I would have so much respect for an actor who was asked their opinion and replied with, "I'm just a guy who acts out scripts someone else wrote, why do you care what I have to say?"

Jen's avatar

I agree. I stopped following him during the pandemic. I used to think he was funny, but the pandemic showed me what a moron he was.

Neil Kellen's avatar

"Vaccines for the good of all." is entirely illogical. (not that GT is bothered by that in the least)

Vaccines are designed protect those who take them - latest vaccine excepted. If you take a vaccine and I don't, you are not protecting me. You are protecting yourself only.

What "Vaccines for the good of all." really means is "you take the vaccine so I don't have to".

UNLESS

"for the good of all" = depopulation

rolandttg's avatar

I'm going to cut to the chase. Vaccines are as good for your health as chemo and radiation are good for curing cancer.

Based Florida Man's avatar

I have investigated your outrageous claims and have found them to be true.

Bones's avatar

American medicine is profit driven. It’s an industry the industrial revolution exploits people.

Dick's avatar

Recall the little myth that was “asymptomatic spread”. Ooh, that was something. …And a largely forgotten part of The Big Scare.

“Asymptomatic spreading” was on everyone’s tongue. It was behind all their next moves. It was the compelling aroma wafting from toxic bait of myriad other lies. Trap set, sprung.

Alert, wary ones spied the fake leaves and sticks, the deadly mesh hidden beneath; smelled the baiting lies. It smelled of danger and evil.

So here we are, America, World, wise to its ways —many sadly wiser.

Never forget the story and how we tried with all we had to stand sentry, warn & deter. Never give up. Never comply.

Tom's avatar

It was 21st century "miasma."

daverkb's avatar

Yes, asymptomatic spread ... how brilliantly concocted so that we the people would self-isolate from all of humanity. Because you never know who would be a threat!

Dick's avatar

Yes. Insidiously brilliant. Maybe the most subtly concocted lie of all, because it caught up for a time even those of us who KNEW this “novel virus” covid thing was lab-made for killing (We even knew by whom) and deemed it possible to make and use something that virulent. Yep, I bought into it for a time. Knowing, however what the engame was — and seeing all that unfolded, digging, doubting asking the questions, running the numbers and sussing out the facts — that phase was pretty short-lived.

It was a tell, though, how truly shrewd that adversary is. Remember, folks, they’ll use our knowledge against us if they can — if we let them. Keep humble hearts and heads on a swivel. Wise as serpents & gentle as doves.

daverkb's avatar

Hi Dick and thanks. Nice to hear from you and so, so glad you caught it early.

And as I said else where today, what we face is The Garden and the Serpent on steroids. It's all on that level.

Please give this a gander ... and tell me what you think. At one time I would have dismissed it not realizing how far 'out there' the technological advance is. Far beyond what the public imagines.

https://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/commonsenseshow/hr1092523.mp3

Dick's avatar

Ps. I know about the cv jab stuff and 5G etc. I look at what we know about reversing effects & protection. That’s huge and at this point the most important things to get out there, in my book. I do have some criticism of some of their lines of reasoning & assumptions. Although I respect her research. Do not respect him so much, based on some other of his broadcasts.

Dick's avatar

Hey👋🏻 Dave Killer Bee!!— So good to hear from you!

I’m listening, but pausing periodically to process. I’ve had a surge of new perspectives these last few weeks and it’s actually helped me in thinking about it all. So, Ive been writing a tome In response to you explaining my thoughts on this, as they’re both complex and involve converging ideas, each needing foundations, thought processes, etc. explained. I’m not finished yet & it’s already so long that I hesitate to post it here (tendency to wordiness. Sorry!) and so odd that I’m hesitant for that reason, too!)

Here & now, I will state my somewhat odd and perhaps anomalous conclusion because I don’t exactly agree with much of their assumptions (you’ll understand why it requires a bit of explanation relating to this podcast & if you still want me to send the finished response, let me know & I’d be pleased to). My takeaway is: Demonic Deception — But not exactly what one might think. “Serpent on steroids” is right! And as for the Garden? “Hath God [really?] said?”, said the serpent innocently scornful...Well, indeed — He did say! And every word, tempered by ineffable Love and Mercy, has come to pass.

Think in terms of the three main converging themes (WW DS, Science & tech, and spiritual/ occult) and these, considering who the adversary are and how they’ve used these in the past. Master manipulators; master spinners of webs: info, narratives and layers of deceit — counterfeit phenomena. *This can involve apparent technological advances (i.e. what do they want to impress on us!?)!!* If this is enough to set you thinking along this track, I’ll bet you could say it better & more succinctly. (Please do!) & If you think I’m off-base, let me know too (we’re on the same team 🥎😊) But a heads-up: I’m feeling quite overwhelmed and like pretty much of alone wolf. I’m seeing a skillfully laid web of fear, anger and helplessness is being drawn in around us, through exploiting our “awakening” to their heretofore hidden tricks. We think we’ve seeing more of them; we’re seeing just what they want us to see...feel & think. We’re still so very easy to fool —especially when we THINK we’re seeing! Lies upon lies. Manipulation upon manipulation. We should not and must not succumb. Can we outsmart the devil? No, but the One in whom we stand already has. Our justification and humility before the Holy God is our only strength. Never give credence to what has derived from or trafficked with the occult or to anyone who accepts its product, as fact (e.g. remote viewing, etc), OR, what has presented a false idea of God’s creation (e.g. the brain as the seat of the Spirit & mind or soul. It is not.). Because this will most certainly be demonic deception, and often merely another low-grade spiritual parlor trick — and this is not merely physical phenomena manipulation, but via our thoughts, the driver of our emotions as well.

Stay close to God and Scripture. Pray. Remember, with faith and strong conviction, His Love and protection (e.g., His many declarations and promises).

Well, I guess that short version wasn’t so short!😂

Take care and God Bless!! Thanks again for this, friend.

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Oh, when being "asymptomatic" really meant YOU WERE NOT SICK?? Yes, I remember that one. 😊

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

The entire vaccine INDUSTRY is a house of cards built on a foundation of sand. There are NO "good" vaccines.

Neil Kellen's avatar

I'm getting there, but not there yet. And the sheer amount of vaccines that are now, in one sense or another, required for babies is beyond comprehension.

TB's avatar

Well, in theory, if it was a "vaccine" under the traditional definition then it would stop you from catching or spreading the disease, and therefore "protect" anybody else who you would have otherwise given it to while sick. (Assuming it worked, of course, but it was widely accepted by the public that they did/do work. Which is probably why many people trusted the COVID shots too.)

Neil Kellen's avatar

I understand the point, but that assumes you are the only person that unvaxxed person contacts. So using a vaccine to protect others is, as they say, "pissin' up a rope"; it ain't gonna work.

Johnny Be Real's avatar

That reasoning only works if there is PROOF of safety and effectiveness, yet there was neither. Therefore the individual rights hover high over the collect right. People like him are fools.

SheThinksLiberty's avatar

That "reasoning" never works. No one has the "right" to order any medical intervention on anyone, especially using the "logic" that it's to keep 𝒐𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒔 from getting sick.

RunningLogic's avatar

Indeed!! As Berenson said in his post the other day, health is individual, a doctor should treat the patient, not the public!!!

Johnny Be Real's avatar

My thought is that reasoning could be argued if the shots actually did prevent spread. Historically humans exclude sick people from society to prevent spread.

But in this case the whole argument is based on an inflated fabricated claim that the shots stopped transmission. If it was proven true then employers would have a very good leg to stand on with the argument above.

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong. But employers have terms and conditions of hire and it’s their choice.

When I was faced with this, I was building a case for suing the employer because my hiring terms did not include me agreeing to take an experimental drug into my body.

If they would have set that condition from the start, I would not have taken that job.

SheThinksLiberty's avatar

You think employers have the right to demand medical interventions by which I mean actual treatments -- the forced taking of medicine, injections, or surgical procedures -- as a condition of employment?

SadieJay's avatar

See green hair comment above...or below. I get it. You are obviously an HR dynamo. And NO. Employers have no right to demand medical interventions to hire someone or even require it to keep a job. That sure as hell doesn't mean it is not happening. And...with companies just lapping up everything the CDC says, we think it is a matter of time before a certain company out of Seattle will 'require' a new jab. Can I hire you as our HR liaison?

Johnny Be Real's avatar

No. You completely missed my point. It’s ok though.

RunningLogic's avatar

So if I’m understanding, you’re saying it would be different if 1) employers had been open that it would be a condition of employment and 2) the shots stopped transmission of disease? For me, no employer should ever be able to require that of an employee, just like they shouldn’t be able to require them to have surgery. And no one should have to take any medical intervention to “protect others.” If you are taking the risk of potential adverse effects, you should have full control and say over that decision.

SadieJay's avatar

I get it....you were putting a scenario out there. Not literal of course, because we all know it is against the law to require green hair to work, right? But, say, if 'they did' say dye your hair green or be fired, well, it should have been in the initial contract that you would be required to dye your hair green to work there. If it was...you wouldn't have taken the JOB. But, you did take the job, 27 years ago, and now they have changed the terms of your employment...green hair required. Just like that!

FourWinds's avatar

IMO no employer has the right to tell an employee to take any "vaccine", whether it is a real one or not. I agree 100% that if an employer wants to mandate that, they should say so before the person becomes an employee. I too would turn down the job. My ability to be healthily absolutely outweighs my need for a particular job. There are other jobs.

My guess is someone, somewhere will eventually win a lawsuit over an employer forcing the non-vaccine on them, then I think it will be like the Hoover Dam completely breaking.

St. Alia the Knife's avatar

It has already happened and it blows my mind that these lawsuits aren't running rampant. It may be that they aren't being widely reported. I know about this one and it still took me awhile to find it (not on *giggle*, using ddg). https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/northshore-university-health-to-pay-10-3-million-in-covid-19-vaccine-lawsuit/

GreaterIsrahell's avatar

"But employers have terms and conditions of hire and it’s their choice."

You don't get it. That is called breaking the law. Just like it's against the law to not hire someone for not being caucasian.

SheThinksLiberty's avatar

And this is the reason I have said - as have others -- that there is no such thing as "public health." There is only individual health.

RunningLogic's avatar

Exactly!! We need to keep hammering away at this any time the subject comes up!

SheThinksLiberty's avatar

👍👍👍👍👍 100%.

Emu's avatar

In WWII the ones who ordered medical interventions on unwilling participants were called NAZIS. Good thing our government brought them over here to experiment on us.

Tom's avatar

It's not possible for me to give informed consent when every one of my concerns is met with an Appeal to Authority, a logical fallacy.

Johnny Be Real's avatar

In practice employers force applicants to get humiliating physicals and pee in a cup to check for bio chemicals they don’t approve of. That’s just one example. I wish the world was black and white clear cut right and wrong, but it’s not.

SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Both of those practices impose nothing on the physical well-being of 𝒐𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒔, which is the point on this thread. That moron Takei says that you, Johnny, owe it to me, STL, to have something injected into 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 body to allegedly keep 𝒎𝒆 from getting sick. If there's anything sicker, more unreasonable, stupider/less logical, and more immoral and grotesque than that, please let me know.

FourWinds's avatar

I agree and I want them to prove I WOULD get sick from not taking their poison. They are going to need a lot of help for that one because even if I did get sick, whatever natural cure I took would knock any illness out quickly enough that they would never know I was sick.

SheThinksLiberty's avatar

What I'd really like "them" to prove is how my submitting to or refusing an injection (or any medicine) either keeps someone else -- anyone -- from getting sick or makes them sick. That's the "doozy," and they cannot prove it either way.

RunningLogic's avatar

To be fair, at least in manufacturing plants, being under the influence of any illicit substance while operating machinery is a recipe for work accidents 😕 But point taken.

SheThinksLiberty's avatar

It's called a bona fide job requirement. It is a requirement of this job -- operating that piece of equipment -- to be free from the influence of alcohol or drugs that impair coordination, reaction time, etc. To keep this practice lawful and legal, everyone gets tested -- or nobody does. It's one or the other. To "single" out individuals for testing in the absence of evidence of impairment is illegal.

OTOH, certain types of discrimination have been found lawful. I have a 4'11' S-I-L. Let's say she reallyreallyreally wanted to be a flight attendant. Well, too bad. There are actual requirements of that job that require one to be a minimum height -- to assist with baggage, to close the overhead luggage compartments, etc. Speaking of, pre-hire drug testing for pilots has been found lawful, as well as testing of same after an incident.

But telling people that a certain drug or other medical treatments is required or you're not hired or fired??? It makes the head of this former manager of 30+ years with 20 of it directly in HR explode. It is so outrageous I can hardly stand it -- and it still makes me fume just thinking about.

RunningLogic's avatar

Yes!! Perfectly explained!

Peter GL's avatar

If it is a requirement made known before acceptance of job offer, then ok, if not then leave me alone!

Johnny Be Real's avatar

But in principle I agree 100%.

FourWinds's avatar

You gotta love the bandwagon jumpers. When someone does this it tells me all I need to know about who the person is.

Help Needed in KS's avatar

He's conveniently forgot what he said previously.

I haven't. Nor have I forgotten "Screw your Freedoms" Schwarzenegger. No Arnold, screw YOU.

FourWinds's avatar

Yes. Me neither. I will never forget a single one of these b@st@rds.

Annie's avatar

Agree. Dr. Scolyer and mclaws are/have reaping what they have sown. They experimented on millions. It is his turn to be the guinea pig. Nasty evil people.

Tom's avatar

I have a strict policy. I don't take medical advice from someone whose job is to amuse me.

Politico Phil's avatar

This was the same reasoning used by the Nazis in pre-war Germany to justify segregating the "unclean and diseased" Jews.

Bitesandpieces's avatar

The good for all they speak of is the depopulation of society. The WEF’s goal is to reduce the world’s population by 50% and they’re on their way.

ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Depends on the date you're looking at. 97% is the ultimate goal.

Corkey's avatar

He’s out of his mind.

RebeccaGrrrl's avatar

PERFECT!! Nice job Based.

laura-ann Knox's avatar

Didn't he die in October of last year?

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OnTheJump's avatar

Ironic, I'm thinking............. Sulu was the Science Officer on The Enterprise.

See, that's the Trouble With Tribbles.

SeeingTruth's avatar

Is his Tribble hole the same place he has man-dates?

SadieJay's avatar

You people are brilliant.

Notch Johnson's avatar

Warp Speed Cancer

rolandttg's avatar

If you want a term the MSM will get behind, call it Russian cancer

ItsMeAgain's avatar

Thanks for the laugh. I just spit out my coffee!

JW's avatar

Stage cancers in Mach 1, 2, 3 and 4.

Sunnydaze's avatar

I liked Instacancer from someone above. But this one wins the internet today!

CaliforniaLost's avatar

That was my first choice, you beat me to it!!

Notch Johnson's avatar

I was surprised no one beat me to it!

MoM's avatar

Shut. It. Down.

Renea Buchholz's avatar

I have the tune of London bridges going in my head with that.

ENCmd's avatar

Mine is suicide of the west.

Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

Good morning, friends. And coffee.

FourWinds's avatar

On my second cup. There is nothing in the world like coffee. Whoever figured out how to find, grind and brew coffee needs a Get Into Heaven Free card.

Agent 1-4-9's avatar

The story goes that a goat herder saw goats getting particularly feisty after consuming a certain berry. He told a local monk who found that they kept him awake and alert for evening prayers. He tried preparing them in a variety of ways and decided that what we now call coffee was the most palatable.

TracyAnne's avatar

AMEN!!!!!!!!!! Truly one of life's greatest pleaures. And simple pleasures really are the best!!!!! ☕️☕️ ( clink)

ENCmd's avatar

As an addict since med school I can also now recommend Dandy Blend for caffeine free if required. Gentle coffee.

Sarah's avatar

Yes! Another Dandy Blend user here. :)

Being a Nancy's avatar

Get the Nicaraguan organic med. roast beans,,,,amazing

DLK's avatar

Suggest “The Monk of Mokha” for answers to your questions in story form. Good book.

Based Florida Man's avatar

GM! Started early today. On my 3rd!

K2ndD4TwiceD's avatar

September 11th - Political Islam's Long War on the West - American Minute with Bill Federer comes from American History Minute daily emails, by US historian William Federer.

Polish King Jan Sobieski gathered 81,000 Polish, Austrian and German troops and led a surprise attack on SEPTEMBER 11, 1683.

They made one of the largest charges in history, 38,350 cavalry and dragoons.

Soldiers had made wings for their backs which made a thunderous noise when they charged, causing the Turks to flee in confusion.

Upon entering the abandoned Turkish tents, Sobieski found bags of beans - coffee beans - revealing how Turks could fight day and night.

The beans came from Ethiopia, the one African country which stayed Christian, and the Muslims called them infidel or "cafir," from which is assumed the word "coffee" was derived.

The legend is that Pope Clement VIII was petitioned to declare coffee "the drink of the devil" due to its association with Muslims, but the Pontiff tasted it and liked it, stating:

"This devil's drink is so good, we should cheat the devil by baptizing it."

Shortly after the victory of Vienna, Polish General Koltschizky opened Vienna's first coffeehouse and coffee quickly spread across Europe.

The Pope and European leaders hailed Jan Sobieski as the "Savior of Western Civilization."

FourWinds's avatar

That should be a federal holiday!!!

Ray's avatar

slacker! ive had 5.

ok im 6h ahead tho

Patrice's avatar

I'm only on my first...pot.

rolandttg's avatar

About 6 months ago, we got into the habit of adding an expresso each every mid afternoon. What was occasional quickly turned into every day.

Ray's avatar

coffee has a 12h half life i go caffeine free from about 11am

each to their own but i sleep better for it

Sharon Wood's avatar

Nice to hear about the 12 hour half life since the industry would never warn or say that, would they? Might lead to people stop driving thru Starbucks after 11 am just so they might sleep better. After all, there are pills for insomnia, anxiety etc.

TB's avatar

You can always order a decaf at the drive-thru... I do that at maccas if it's after lunch.

Tom's avatar

It seems Ray "did his own research" and found the half-life . . .

ENCmd's avatar

❤️ the number! Demitasse or mug? Mine always the latter!

Ray's avatar

ive always been a mug!

RunningLogic's avatar

You are fully caffeinated!! 😁

Janet's avatar

Have a good one, Queen. I, for one, consider C& C my morning wake up. The humor balances the utter crazy around us.

Fred's avatar

I live for the comments too! Thanks, y’all! Smart folks here!

ChrisB's avatar

Good morning, Queen!

RunningLogic's avatar

Good morning Queen H!! 😁☕️

Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Top of the Morning to ya! ☕🙋

rolandttg's avatar

Just like to give a shout out to the people posting comments on C&C. When I first started posting , I really did it mainly to try and help people find their way in becoming awake and aware, as well as encourage them when doubt inevitably set it about winning this epic battle of God against Satan. When I wanted to read comments to learn something, I went back to the comments posted on Ben Fulford's blog. I have learned so much from them, and often is the cast where a weeks worth of comments told me much more than the actual Fulford blog. The research some of these old timers have done is mind boggling. As time has passed, the people on this blog have become much more savvy, while the brilliant posters on Fulford's blog have been pushed to the background and overrun with petty infighting posts that often goes on for pages. There are still some appearances by these brilliant old timers, but the thin skinned newbie clowns unfortunately now dominate Fulford's posts to the point there are some weeks I do not even look at them, It is a weekly post , BTW.

Anyway, just been wanting to say that for a while. It has been satisfying, and I credit the fine relentless work that Jeff puts into this post every single day into motivating his readers to do their part.

NAB's avatar

As others have said, this is the only Substack which compels me to read every single comment, every day. It can take some time, but in addition to the sense of community, I have learned so much good information and been referred to so many good resources.

Janet's avatar

Agreed. There are some not substack places with good information but it seems the readers are more interested in word spats and knock downs. As soon as it devolves into that, I go away as these are not serious thinkers.

Janet's avatar

I get just as much valuable info from Jeff’s comments as Jeff.

Peter GL's avatar

Though Jeff's comments are extremely well written and have funny traps embedded

Neil Kellen's avatar

Remember how hard they worked to, unsuccessfully, try to convince us that the mRNA vaccine WAS NOT genetic therapy?

The cancer treatment referenced IS genetic therapy, not a vaccine. But they would have a real conundrum if they now call it genetic therapy. (oh wait...I made a really bad assumption there - that they have any shame and or self-awareness...)

If they found a way to use mRNA to clean cars, they'd call it an "auto vaccine".

Susan W's avatar

Re: the Cancer doctor. I worked at MD Anderson in Texas in the late 70's They were trying mRNA/personalized immunotherapy for melanoma back then. They were very hopeful but apparently it didn't/hasn't worked. If it had, there would be a cure for that particular cancer and, they thought, many others. It seemed reasonable. And yet, somehow it just did not give the results.

Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Although on the surface it seems reasonable, I don't think it is reasonable.

If the immune system missed a budding cancer, then something in the immune system was already failing. Trying to stimulate a failing immune system seems an awful lot like beating a dying horse. You might succeed in tormenting the poor horse into thrashing around in desperation, but you're not going to get it back to functioning.

ENCmd's avatar

As ever FLCCC.net under Marik et al researching safe effective prevention and treatment suggests a good approach for cancer.

Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

But prevention is soooo inconvenient! And cuts into the wrong people's limitless profits!

How many people would have sickened & died from the scamdemic with D3, exercise, healthy diet, normal social life?

Versus isolation, remdesivir & vents?

Right now, just had a cancer scare with my dog, who was a breeding prospect until lockdowns etc. shut that down. Happily her mammary mass was benign. I suspected immediately it was my fault; for several reasons I accidentally let her get overweight this spring & summer. During her recovery, my search for cause of mammary tumor in dogs just led to a one word answer: overweight. So with mass removed, continuing diet that started before I even noticed the lump, & stitches removed, exercise has joined the diet, along with curcumin, ginger, pumpkin etc.

Vet wants to spay. My research showed spaying at this age will reduce chance of mammary cancer, but double risk of hemangiosarcoma & increase some other cancer risks.

Follow the $$$. Also hang on to your wallet!

Fred's avatar

Anecdote, not a vet, and no tumors, but the change in our 9yo BC/heeler mix with a change from “best of the best” dog food to a raw diet has been nothing short of astounding. Previously skeptical. Never again.

TW's avatar

Ditto. My dog had a couple of seizures early this year and the vet prescribed expensive meds, told us to montitor the breakthrough seizures and said "hopefully she doesn't need to switch to a different one that requires WEEKLY BLOOD TESTS" so we're going to pay through the nose for the meds, pay for monitoring and she STILL will possibly have seizures? Yea nope. Did some reading and started her on raw chicken, cooked rice and veggies/fruit with the occasional multivitamins, and no meds. No more seizures.

Fred's avatar

TY for sharing! I'm still in awe at the difference it made! Also about Berberine; DKT. :)

TW's avatar

Not only that, but am I wrong in that the mRNA shots train your own cells to make said cancer proteins? And we now know that that mRNA ends up grafted into the DNA of the cells and there is no off button, right? How big of a stretch is it to end up with, say, a patient who has lung cancer, is injected with this concotion, their cells begin making cancer proteins all over their body and possibly sprouting tumors all over the body? Am I the only one that is concerned we're living in the prequel to the 'Resident Evil' series?!?

If the body's immune system does work (although as you pointed out, that's not likely) it would then attack all the cells in the body producing the protein, which would be like warding off massive metastatic cancer. Either way this doesn't really make sense..

Peter GL's avatar

I was just thinking about the same: could the mRNA covid vaccines be creating the tumors they were supposed to be fighting? Why are doctors trying to play God? Did they not all start as simple humans like the rest of us? Maybe the whole mRNA concept should be discarded and a new vaccine be built from scratch?

Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Or instead of adding an insult, a nasty new kid on the block (e.g., synthetic mRNA/new tech or attenuated virus/old tech) to trick or trigger the immune system ("vaccination"), how about doing things to *support* more robust or optimal immune system function as a routine part of life? A healthy immune system will function as designed, warding off attempts of "invaders" (take your pick) to gain a foothold in the host. I know: no profit in that approach. Will things go wrong with immune systems in some people sometimes? You bet. Let's figure out why. (I think there are technologies and treatments that have been confiscated and suppressed for generations, their innovator-inventors accused of quackery and reputations and careers ruined, all courtesy of Rockefelller & co. Paul Marik is a present day example. *edit - Dr. Burzynski is another.) Mainstream medical industry is not about health or healthcare.

Peter GL's avatar

wouldn't they make more by trying to invent something new rather than tweaking what doesn't work? And test it thoroughly this time?

PamelaZelie's avatar

I wouldn’t trust a new ‘vaccine’ for any reason ever.

Peter GL's avatar

That's the real problem with all these mandates and idiotic government pushing untested vaccines, they have seeded deep mistrust against the medical field

Dick's avatar

Vaccine, Schmaccine.

No. No. No.

And No.

And of course no to these snakes messing with our cells and DNA.

A thought:

Why don’t we put a close eye on those who DON’T suffer these jab stealth “side effects”? —And look there? Hard! What common elements in their lives have PROTECTED them?

We should be studying this diligently, turning over every stone. We should be thinking like this! ( Yes, we’re pretty certain some got milder jab formulas or placebos, granted. But the rest? Find out!)

We need to also look closely at those who were (are) hit hard — Who has (or had) existing issues stemming from vulnerabilities & deficiencies contributing to their existing problems? (…exacerbated by “standard care”, pharmaceuticals, surgeries, & other vaccines)

We should compare groups, look in depth at nutrition in both groups & discover what may be protective (as was done with vit. D, zinc & mag—very common deficiencies!) and what harms. This approach should be applied to any issue — why did Xs escape the scourge, while Ys succumbed? (For example, with amyloid brain plaques developing after multiple concussions — Something about those (in far, far greater numbers) who never get brain issues, ever, is different than those who did develop the plaques.)

Our medical matrix is so barbaric it boggles the mind. The good, well-intended & highly-trained docs & others out there need to escape it — and a great many gifted and dedicated MDs, PAs, NPs, Nurses etc. long for and deserve something something different and excellent — We certainly do.

Tom's avatar

Trying to stimulate an immune system you have destroyed with mRNA by using more mRNA is like beating a horse that you shot yourself.

Bitesandpieces's avatar

You’ve got a good point. They missed the part about the shots fundamentally ruining our immune system and now they want to bring it back to life???

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Susan W's avatar

I was privy to the specifics of the research but boosting one’s own immune system to fight a cancer - or any illness for that matter - seemed a good approach. Better than chemo and lots better than removing a limb. It would have been an earth shattering breakthrough. I’m sure they thought, if we don’t try, we’ll never know.

Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

They need to figure out why the immune system failed to detect the cancer in the first place.

Eg If it was lack of some critical component, that needs to be addressed first.

Eg 2 If the surface proteins on the cancer cell surface proteins too closely resemble healthy cells, the immune system may mistake the cancer as self. in which case the immune system won't respond.

Eg 3 If the cancer cell surface proteins resemble healthy cells "just right", boosting the immune system may trigger autoimmune attacks by excess antibodies with no place else to bind

Eg 4+... All kinds of possibilities I can't think of off top of my head

Bottom line is the immune system is extraordinary complex & our understanding of it is kindergarten level or so

Susan W's avatar

Sorry - meant to say “was not privy… “. No edit function here.

laura-ann Knox's avatar

Hold your finger on the three dots by your comment and options will pop up in a little box, including the option to edit, as well as to delete (which my fiery self has often had to use lol)

Fred's avatar

🤣 Me too, and probably not nearly enough!

Fred's avatar

Blame some of it on publish or perish. Gotta get rid of that falsehood IMHO.

ENCmd's avatar

And/but the industry tried to delegitimize/crucify Burzynski whose novel safe approach earned grateful healed patients. Remind you of anything?

Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Dr. Burzynski is an amazing soul, isn't he? What that man has been through. God's greatest blessings on him. Amen.

Fred's avatar

Wasn’t McCain treated with immunotherapy? I thought he was a goner long before.

RebeccaGrrrl's avatar

WOW Someone said 20 years but that's 50 years ago!!!

Susan W's avatar

Yep. While they were still amputating limbs and infusing chemo right into an arm or a leg with the melanoma, they had high hopes for the new “immunotherapy” where the body would/could be stimulated to produce anti-cancer specific antibodies.

In some way, monoclonal antibodies was an outcome of that research but the cancer fight therapy is still not happening. Although I have heard they’ve had some success with renal CA using some kind of immunotherapy. I do not think it is mENA based however.

Marty Kiner's avatar

We had a very dear friend die of brain cancer in may of ‘22. Diagnosed in March ‘22 and died in May ‘22. I don’t know for certain his vax status but knowing him I’m pretty sure he took the jab. Makes me very sad.

Nancy Fahey's avatar

Marty, my sons best friend from high school who went into special forces in the Navy had the same results last year...diagnosed in January dead in July....I knew what killed him....I still cry thinking what crewel fate, leaving behind wife and two babies....bastards! When does this madness end...???

Karen Murphy's avatar

when people stop being sheep.

rolandttg's avatar

perhaps that is why I have found few Americans will even try lamb, let alone eat it regularly. Could be the taboo against cannibalism.

ENCmd's avatar

When the government agencies and media stops the blatant propaganda

Politico Phil's avatar

When the Fed Gov't disappears.

MayBella82's avatar

The first people they experiment on is the military. They give them a order and they have to comply. This falls on Biden’s head as the CIC.

Bitesandpieces's avatar

You’re right but I bristled when you said CIC. He has never been that. Trump is still CIC.

RunningLogic's avatar

So heartbreaking 💔😢

Fred's avatar

Glioblastoma in my extended family too; can you even imagine the numbers? Finally asked family for his shot record so I can submit a VAERS report. You can bet his docs did not.

Alison Smith's avatar

My mother was diagnosed with stomach cancer at thanksgiving last year and died March 15th. Turbo stage 4 cancer. She was all vaccinated and boosted, against my wishes. I know what she died from.

RunningLogic's avatar

I’m so sorry 😞 Similar story for my mom, diagnosed with bile duct cancer in November 2021 and passe in March 2022 😞😢💔

AngelaK's avatar

I am so sorry for your loss. 🙏

I miss my mother everyday.

RunningLogic's avatar

Thank you. I miss mine every day too 😢💔 It’s so hard.

Bitesandpieces's avatar

Sorry. Death of a loved one is always difficult but when you can point to an accelerator and believe you would have had more years with her is when it becomes even more painful. 😞

RunningLogic's avatar

Indeed 😞 This describes my feelings very well.

Lew's avatar

Sorry -- I know what that feels like.

ENCmd's avatar

💔😭. There are no words. Sending 📿 ❤️🕊️ for you and your family. Grateful you are trying to transform this tragedy into awakening others to save them! Memory eternal for your mom and prayers her killers will awaken and be converted.

AngelaK's avatar

I am so sorry. My mother passed away this past January from stomach cancer..she was *not* vaccinated, but she was 87 and apparently had a contributing factor which was h pylori and never knew it.

Well that and her age..she survived for 8 months with hospice care.

Check yourselves for h pylori people!

ENCmd's avatar

💔🌹🕊️📿 and thank you for alerting us to check for this. Often we must now diagnose and treat ourselves.

AngelaK's avatar

Yes! Apparently an easy breath test can be done by your pcp. (As well as an upper gi endoscopy if you have other symptoms only)

Her pcp never thought once to do it despite her esophagael issues of many years.

Peter GL's avatar

Sorry for your loss, losing a mother is one of the biggest losses ever

Melissa Leigh's avatar

My mom has had 4 jabs and I worry everyday may be her last. Her memory has gotten so bad. 😪

Alison Smith's avatar

My mother's personality changed after she started getting those shots. She was never the same.

Melissa Leigh's avatar

Ugh isn’t it horrible. I’m the only one in my family that resisted. I even went to the Defeat the Mandates rally.

Alison Smith's avatar

I am the only one in my family (siblings and parents) who resisted, but my adult children are super organic and Unvaxxed like me. I feel like I’ve lost a big part of my family. And the ostracism. My brothers are slowly inviting me back to family events like nothing happened, but I won’t forget.

Melissa Leigh's avatar

That sucks. My family all get the jabs but none of us were at all worried about Covid. That’s why it’s so weird they all went along. I’m in RI and basically headed to FL to ride out the lockdown. So happy your kids are smart!

MoM's avatar

My mother-in-law died of pancreatic cancer almost a year after she got the coofid jab. She was healthy with no history of cancer in the family. Granted pancreatic cancer is turbo in itself, but she showed no signs at all. In my heart, I feel the jab sped up the cancer. Perhaps she would have lived to see her eldest grandson graduate and become a Recon Marine just 5 months later. Something she was so proud of and she was robbed of celebrating his accomplishment.

Anecdotal Anonymous's avatar

I'm sure she will see that globe anchor and gold wings from where she sits in all your hearts. Congrats on raising an upstanding young man Mom!

ENCmd's avatar

I am even sadder for her and you if you tried to enlighten her ahead. Thank you for sharing. 😭❤️🕊️📿

Modern Day Drifter's avatar

My aunt was diagnosed in April 22, died in May 22 with two types of aggressive lung cancer. She never smoked her whole life. Had no history of cancer in the family. She did get the vax early on but refused the boosters. So many out there we don’t hear about, very sad.

ENCmd's avatar

😭. Unnecessary suffering and death breaks my heart for your aunt and the state of the medical profession now colluding to cause it!

Jan Dickmeyer's avatar

:(tragic… every single one should be on a huge commemorative wall so people and sheeple alike can visualize the loss in numbers.

BBS's avatar

I have a family member who was healthy and vigorous until he was fully jabbed and boosted. Now, he is blind in one eye and has on-going, debillating headaches as well as heart issues. BUT the kicker is last week he got yet another jab AND a flu shot. I don't even know what to say any more.

NAB's avatar

Those maladies, in particular, seem mRNA related. Poor man.

BBS's avatar

Poor deluded, stupid, stupid man.

Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Sad. But they are responsible for their own decisions. Including refusing to look any deeper than the propaganda for information. Their own worst enemy, even worser [sic] than the enterprise that includes the propagandists. There is none so blind...

Jan Dickmeyer's avatar

Same.. one in 40’s.. dad of 3 .. glioblastoma. Also 50 year old lady had a cancer reoccur after several years in remission… just ravaging. Another friend diagnosed with early onset altzeimers. Several mid age docs here lately suddenly gone.

Cynthia Ford's avatar

Dr. Marik of the FLCCC has turned his really formidable medical powers on evaluating Alzheimer's. I think the webinar on this was by zoom last night, so I bet it will be up on the website soon. He also has a webinar on reducing cancer risk and treatments, same website.

NAB's avatar

This thread of injection tragedies is heartbreaking.

Politico Phil's avatar

When I realize all the premature deaths everyone is experiencing in their families and also the dropping birth rate due to sterilization and miscarriage, I believe they will reach their reported target of reducing the US population by 70% by 2025. They believe whoever is left will be easily enslaved.

NAB's avatar

My FIL was diagnosed with stage IV glioblastoma on Holy Thursday in 2022. He was dead 6 weeks later after a "successful" total resection of the tumor. He had received three of the poison jabs. Prior to his brain tumor, he had been diagnosed with multiple facial skin cancer lesions requiring pretty aggressive local resection.

Debbie Alton's avatar

Similar story...57 yo sister - diagnosed with leukemia- dead four months later. Jabbed. I know what killed her.

Yusha's avatar

The State Department hack or breach was not a breach of a classified network; so, unless State Dept officials are sending classified emails on an unclassified network, no secret emails were disclosed (sensitive PII maybe, but not classified). If they WERE sending classified emails on unclassified or personal networks, they can just delete them, bang up their personal server with a hammer, and flush it down a nearby toilet. That's definitely not mishandling classified information (that's sarcasm for any security officers out there :) ).

This hack is related to a Microsoft hack disclosed in July where Chinese (likely) hackers dubbed Storm-0558 stole a key from a Microsoft engineer giving them access to Microsoft 365 accounts.

More info at: https://www.firstpost.com/world/chinese-hackers-stole-emails-from-us-state-dept-in-microsoft-breach-says-senate-staffer-13178532.html and https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/08/microsoft-hacker-china-government-storm-0558/

Jeff Childers's avatar

I carefully said "secret" not classified. Thanks for the links.

Fla Mom's avatar

Though since 'Secret' *is* a classification, it may not have been entirely clear.

Tom's avatar

They could just wipe their servers with a "cloth or something."

Peter GL's avatar

The hackers must be wishing for another Hillary Secretary of State who kept all those files in her personal computer ... much easier to hack into

ENCmd's avatar

Is there an emoji for sarcasm? 😉 is gentle and teasing so that’s not it.

DenverDad's avatar

You know how Mr. Peters wins. National Emergency! Bring on the aliens and zombies.

Janet's avatar

According to MCM, (Mark Crispin Miller) October 4 may be the activation of the zombie force. (Nationwide test of G5 alert system). Remember the Tuesday morning tests? Sirens and TV. Well, something new is going on now. 🫣🫨

CaplT's avatar

I wonder if it is a psyop. There was actually an announcement on FEMA’s website of a joint FEMA/FCC national alert test on Aug 4 and back up date Oct 11.

It will supposedly affect all laptops and cell phones. However, empty coffee bags are decent faraday bags for cell phones. Drink up.

Chevrus's avatar

Part of the game is to constantly have little alerts here and there so as to cushion the onset of the real one....see: 38 hijacked airliners, etc...

Welcome to halloween in Seoul, those with a preexisting heart condition may want to opt out of the festivities.

Janet's avatar

Yup. I’m trying to discount all of this and discern the level of psyop being leveled toward this camp. There was a video but I didn’t watch it. Not worried.

Dick's avatar

Hey thanks! Plenty of those around here!

Janet's avatar

I believe it is a psyop myself. The PTB are operating on our side just as easily. Mark had a video from someone warning of this (I didn’t watch it) but I just can’t go there yet.

Johnny-O's avatar

Do you happen to have any sources for the claims Todd Callender makes about LNPs containing dormant viruses that can be activated by 5G? I spent a little time looking but have not had success...

Johnny-O's avatar

Thank you for sharing! I am familiar with Dr. Ana. Thank god she is doing the work she is doing. I really would like to find where Callender is getting his info to claim viruses are encapsulated in the LNPs.

Johnny-O's avatar

Ah, thank you so much! I should have checked the link before responding. Hopefully they show the provenance of such claims. I unfortunately can't join the live session, but will be sure to follow up....

Laura Kasner's avatar

Johnny-O - do you follow Peggy Hall? I haven't watched this yet. (Substack is abuzz with articles about this event. Bailiwick News just put one out - I can't keep up!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=tqhiscJEfE4

Laura Kasner's avatar

I see that Warner Mendenhall - attorney from Ohio - will be on this webinar. I've met him numerous times and had a great conversation with him at a fund raiser just a few weeks ago.

Laura Kasner's avatar

So would I, Johnny-O. I've seen some other comments here and tend to lean toward this being another psyop, but on the other hand, I don't want to discredit anything.

Here is another good article:

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/globalists-have-another-shock-event

It's very difficult to be discerning these days.

Janet's avatar

I’ve run into stuff like that plus the self assembling nanotech some see in vaxxed blood but I haven’t saved any of it. Interestingly the late summer of 2020 I watched a video that the mRNA jabs could carry these. I didn’t understand at that time but I decided then and there to not get mRNA jabs myself. I figured there would be more traditional ones but by the time the pressure started I said f* all of them.

Johnny Be Real's avatar

B Gates already announced the next plandemic will be in 2025 so Peters needs to align better with the executioners of the plan. 🙉

Jen's avatar

Ugh, that's going to be terrible. I can't believe people haven't woken up to this yet.

Bones's avatar

Well, since Gates is the author and finisher of our death, he’s always right about when the viruses are going to fly

Peter GL's avatar

Another megalomaniac with a messianic complex! Give me a break

FourWinds's avatar

That man is an [expletive] times a million. I don't care what he says.

One of the greatest successes of the scamdemic (stick with me here!!!!) is it opened people's eyes to b.s. Now the next time they cry wolf, I doubt there will be nearly as many believers. Most of the sheep should be dead or dying by now thanks to the death jab, not that I wish death on anyone. Maybe Fauci since I believe he is responsible for mass murder.

FourWinds's avatar

There are already zombies, they are called the 'covid' sheep, plus I'm pretty sure BiDUMB is a zombie. He certainly looks and acts like one.

Marty Kiner's avatar

So weird, my nephew actually posted a video (reel) of some new drug on the street that renders the person almost motionless like zombies! It was ugly to see people stopped motionless on the sidewalks. It was unreal and I *think* it said highly addictive.

laura-ann Knox's avatar

Isn't it "trank", or ketamine, the horse tranquilizer they're using? I've seen it first-hand, in my home, until my son successfully kicked it!

Help Needed in KS's avatar

"..motionless like zombies..". Is it called Oxy-McConnell?

Irunthis1's avatar

It’s called “tranq” bc it’s derived from an animal tranquilizer called xylazine and they mix it with fentanyl bc why not?🤷‍♀️

Gigi Gummerson's avatar

I’ve seen those videos, so incredibly scary, can’t believe people do that to themselves, just heartbreaking.

FourWinds's avatar

Great, just great <sarcasm>. Now we'll have more junkies passing out or dying in front of our store.

Fred's avatar

Ketamine, aka Vitamin K

RunningLogic's avatar

His eyes always look really strange to me 😳

AngelaK's avatar

They were totally black at the 2020 debate with Trump. Who knows what experimental or existent drugs are beingvpumped into him.

Chevrus's avatar

I'm guessing those were the augmented reality contacts. I figure at this point even those wont do much good....too far gone.

ENCmd's avatar

Remembering Invasion of the Body Snatchers in the 1950s with Kevin McCarthy and Dana Wynter if memory serves. Feel that way talking to docs who are different after their own vaccinations “for some reason.” Biden has however always had the positions and hugging tendencies, just can’t write his own speeches anymore. 📿 for his awakening and repentance.

jean's avatar

aliens and zombies order ready for pickup!

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DenverDad's avatar

LOLL!

Stock up now and use it for barter once the economy collapses. Longer shelf like than canned goods!

Agent 1-4-9's avatar

Not really. My brother in law stocked up on tp and kept it in the basement. The mice were thrilled with the soft bedding he provided.😂😂😂

chuck kutchera's avatar

Toilet paper may be more valuable than gold!!

Renea Buchholz's avatar

Or just grow Mullien. 🤩

RunningLogic's avatar

Oh you’re the first person I’ve known other than my family who is aware of this!! 😁😁😁

Renea Buchholz's avatar

Hahahahaha. It has out done itself this year for growing like Jurassic size. The all around plant for internal and external uses. 😂

RunningLogic's avatar

Nature is amazing! It’s as soft as Charmin and more biodegradable too! 😆

Dick's avatar

I wouldn’t risk the little hairs on my tender bum.

But, it’s a tried & true cough treatment & lung tonic, but you have to steep the dried & chopped leaves in boiled h2o (& flowers, if you have ‘em) for 15 mins and 👉🏼strain the fine hairs with a coffee filter, lest the hairs make your cough worse!!

😉

FourWinds's avatar

I could be wrong, but didn't settlers line their shoes inside with the leaves for added warmth in the winter?

Renea Buchholz's avatar

I think I have read about that...or another herb. I will now have to look it up.

Dick's avatar

Could be! Could be headed there at that…

TW's avatar

Marshmallow is also amazingly soft, but you have to have the right conditions to get large enough leaves. When it dries it feels like velvet!

Renea Buchholz's avatar

Yess on that too. My plants don't get super big leaves. But great for coughs.

TW's avatar

Instead of a kitchen garden, one could grow a bathroom garden!! ;)

Dick's avatar

😊...This 72 year-old- going-on-twelve is always a sucker for garden and bathroom allusions.

Chevrus's avatar

It says a lot about a society. The plague, or at least the threat of..approaches and what do we choose to horde? After thinking that one through they realized that the need for said arsewipes is greatly diminished if there be a lack of foodstuff to fuel that need....

Dick's avatar

They think of everything!

FourWinds's avatar

They don't get it. You can't eat toilet paper.

Chevrus's avatar

Well I suppose if one were hungry enough….well it’s roughage, so there’s that.

Annie's avatar

At work, this is the 1st time the annual flu shot is not the primary requirement to get this quarter company match for your HSA. You could take a course in lieu of it. Now the course is the requirement and flu shots are optional. Hmmm 🤔 I wonder why. Pushback or worried about liability. Not sure. 1st time I haven't fought with hr over it.

RunningLogic's avatar

That sounds like progress!

A.J.'s avatar

Because too many of their worker bees are dropping too fast like flies.

Annie's avatar

I gotta admit I missed my fighting with hr over it. Lol 😉

NAB's avatar

That is very interesting, indeed!

Annie's avatar

I know. It can't be because it's in the employee best interests. 🤔

Dick's avatar

Does anyone know about mandates for health care folks?

Annie's avatar

I don't. I would think it's state or health system specific.

Dick's avatar

Thanks for this! — I did think of that & should’ve been specific. Wondering about Oregon (🤨) & Alaska mainly.

Johnny Be Real's avatar

The the House committee yesterday released 700 pages of evidence on the Biden bribery scenes going back to when “Political Figure 1” was VP. The DOJ, FBI and IRS have all been obstructing the release of evidence for years!

Lon Guyland's avatar

“tumor that is in Dr. Scolyer’s head, with the idea being to stimulate his immune system into attacking the tumor”

Yeah, sounds safe and effective.

Annie's avatar

He wants to prolong his life for "science ". If I was him, I would be afraid to meet my Maker after all the crimes against humanity I participated in as part of this global cabal.