They don’t know how to get away from of Kirk’s murder being associated to them and that’s now been galvanized a thousand times over by all the cheering from the left over this young mans assassination in front of his wife, 2 children and 3,000 college students. My guess is that there's no return for the Democrats. It will end up being a impotent political echo chamber for the mentally ill, left wing talking heads and celebrities.
This piece from Robert Sterling lays it out perfectly:
My liberal friends are completely oblivious about how radicalizing the last week has been for tens of millions of normal Americans. Zero clue.
I’m not talking about people who are 'online'; I mean regular, everyday Americans. 'Normies.' People who scroll through Facebook posts and Instagram reels from the Dutch Bros drive thru line. Political moderates who have water cooler chats about Patrick Mahomes touchdowns and Bon Jovi concerts, not Twitter threads or Rachel Maddow monologues.
Millions of them. Tens of millions. They’re logging on, they’re engaging, and they’re furious.
And I’ll be candid: They blame you guys. They blame the left.
Regardless of whether you believe it to be justified, they think you’re the bad guys here. And they are reacting accordingly.
I can already hear some of you racing toward the comments to start screeching in moral indignation, so I’m going to be blunt: Shut up and listen to what I’m telling you. Your movement will lose any semblance of relevance if you don’t develop some small measure of self-awareness, and—absent someone force-feeding you bitter medicine—you guys collectively lack the humility to do this on your own.
Here are the facts:
Fact 1. Tens of millions of Americans started the week seeing a 23-year-old blonde woman—a young woman in whom virtually every parent watching pictured their own daughter—stabbed in the neck by a career criminal. These people then found out the murderer had been released from jail 14 times over.
Fact 2. Two days later, tens of millions of Americans watched a video of Charlie Kirk get murdered speaking to college students. Millions of these people knew who Charlie was; millions of them didn’t. Upon seeing the video, however, these normal Americans from across the land and across the political spectrum agreed that he was the victim of a terrible, fundamentally unjustifiable crime, and their hearts broke in sympathy for his family. Good people who had never even heard the name Charlie Kirk before wept.
Fact 3. Immediately after seeing the footage of a peaceful young man get shot in the neck, these same people logged onto Facebook and Instagram (remember, we are talking about regular Americans, not perpetually online Twitter or BlueSky users) and saw some of their local nurses, school teachers, college administrators, and retail workers celebrating this horrific crime. Not just defending it, but cheering it.
These are all facts. You may not like the implications of these facts, and we can certainly debate the underlying causes thereof, but, indisputably, they are nevertheless factual statements.
Here’s what it means for you, my liberal friends who are reading this:
These normal, middle-of-the-road, non-political citizens just become politically active. They realized that politics cares about them, even if they don’t particularly care about politics. After watching Iryna Zarutska and Charlie Kirk both bleed out from the neck, they think their lives and the physical safety of their families—the bedrock of human society, the foundation of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs—depend on political activation, whether they desire it or not.
These people are now racing—not jogging, not walking, but sprinting—to the right. Because they blame you guys for everything that just happened.
When they see footage of Decarlos Brown stabbing a Ukrainian refugee to death, they don’t see just one demon-possessed man. They picture every university administrator, HR bureaucrat, and DEI apparatchik that ever lectured them about systemic racism, the “carceral state,” or the need to release violent crime suspects without bail in the name of 'social justice.'
They then think back to conversations they’ve had with their cop friends—their buddy from high school who quit the force after getting tired of being called a racist, their friend at the local YMCA who vents about having to release career criminals because prosecutors aren’t willing to file charges—and they realize everything the left has told them over the last 10 years has been utter bullshit.
And they blame you. Because, even if you count yourself as a moderate Democrat, your party supported the district attorneys, city council members, and mayors that let fictitious concerns about mental health and racial justice supersede very real concerns for their family’s safety.
When these Americans see blood erupt from the side of Charlie Kirk’s neck, they don’t see just a martyred political activist. They think of every extreme leftist they’ve ever met who (1) calls anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton a fascist and (2) constantly jokes—'jokes—about punching Nazis and bashing the fash.' Told they are bigots, racists, misogynists, and Hitler.
They realize that there really do exist people who wish to see them dead for their moderate political beliefs, their Christian faith, and even the color of their skin. They ask themselves if the violence visited upon Charlie might one day show up on their own doorstep.
And they blame you. Because, even if you’re just a center-of-the-road liberal, you lacked the courage to police your own ranks. You let modern-day radicals run loose across every facet of society, and what started with social-media struggle sessions has now turned to 30-06 bullet rounds.
When these Americans log onto social media and see their neighbors justifying, celebrating, glorifying murder, they realize that some who walk among them are soulless ghouls at best, literally demon-possessed at worst. These people—whether they faithfully attend church every Sunday or only attend with relatives once a year, on Christmas Eve—start talking about things like spiritual warfare. They implicitly understand that no normal human casually celebrates the mortal demise of a peaceful person.
And they blame you. Because, even if you condemned Charlie Kirk’s murder, they probably haven’t seen you condemn those in your own movement who cheered it on. They view you as complicit in allowing heartless fellow travelers to celebrate death, and it repulses them.
For all of these situations, what has your response been? Nothing but silence or virtue signaling bullshit.
In response to Iryna Zarutska bleeding out on the floor of a train, you post bullshit statistics about reductions in reported crime, when everyone who’s ever been to a major urban center in the last decade knows that actual crime has skyrocketed, only for victims not to waste their time reporting it to cops that don’t have the manpower to respond and prosecutors that seek to downgrade as many felonies as possible to misdemeanor citations. There's not a single person that you know that feels safer today than they did 10-20 years ago no matter what kind of gorilla statistics that are performed. Not one.
In response to a 31-year-old man taking a bullet to the neck in front of his wife, 2 small children and 3,000 college students, you post nothing but bullshit whataboutism.
“What about January 6th?” (Honest answer: After you let Liz Cheney spend two years operating a star chamber in the House, combined with countless other failed attempts at “lawfare” against Trump, no one cares anymore.)
“What about Mike Lee making a dumb joke on Twitter about some guy in a mask in Minnesota?” (No one outside of Utah, DC, or Twitter knows who Mike Lee even is.)
“What about Paul Pelosi?” (That’s not comparable to Charlie Kirk getting shot, and we all know it. And, again, Paul who?)
“What about regulations on assault rifles?” (That’s not going to get you very far when one of these killers used a knife and the other one used a common hunting rifle.)
In response to teachers, healthcare workers, and thousands of other liberals cheering on Charlie’s murder, it’s nothing but more bullshit and misdirection.
“It’s not THAT many people celebrating!” (Yes, it is. Everyone has seen it on their Facebook, BlueSky, Twitter and Instagram feeds.)
“I thought you guys didn’t support cancel culture.” (We don’t cancel people over their opinions; we’re more than happy to see people lose their jobs—especially their taxpayer-funded jobs—for actively cheering on a murder though. If you can’t see the difference, that’s your own shortcoming.)
All bullshit. Not even smart bullshit, but stale, mid-grade, low-IQ bullshit. Ordinary Americans see right through it.
You probably don’t like hearing this. But you need to hear it.
The ranks of Charlie Kirks political movement gained millions of righteously angry new members this week. They will insist on a mandate to ensure these crimes never happen again, and that’s exactly what they are now going to do.
If you want to keep a seat at the table and we hope that you do, it starts with honesty, accountability, repentance & atonement. Only then can we restart the conversation.
I saw his post yesterday and loved it so much I quoted him in my own replies. He said so many things so well. I’m glad you shared it in its entirety here.
I thought it sounded overly optimistic. But then, I've been a cynic my whole life, for good reason. Jeff presents an alternative optimism, sorely needed.
A significant number of Democrats are walking away in disgust. It's hard to know how many yet, but if it's 1 out of 50 going independent or Republican, and maybe 1 out of 10 independents going Republican and 1 out of 10 Republicans vowing to get much more involved in politics, that could be huge.
Some “normies” who have voted Democrat but haven’t been paying attention to the radicalization of a portion of the party have taken notice and been disgusted enough by these kinds of comments to walk away.
I agree. Most are not reading it. But it helped me so much to read this. Sometimes the whining and blaming from the other side gets in my head. This galvanized my thinking. It helped me remember that we ARE right and they are wrong. And they didn't just get this one thing wrong.
C&C is not censoring anyone AFAICT. It's how comment sections work all over the Internet. If people like your comment, they up-vote it, and the ones with the most votes end up at the top. If your comment is not at the top, it's because the readers didn't find it worthy of upvoting. Calling that censorship is absurd.
If having a low-upvote comment bothers you, you could try to write more interesting comments. Leeching off a popular comment that someone else made on an entirely different point is kinda cheap, and it's bad form IMO.
It's just a fact - if you want your comment to be seen on this substack, you HAVE to make a comment soon after it's live. If you don't get on soon, your best hope is to respond to the highest rated comment that's somewhat related to what you want to say.
Sure. It's a judgment call as to what constitutes "somewhat related", and I'm not inclined to weigh in on that. But this comment began with the assertion that C&C is censoring comments by burying them (which is prima facie an assertion of intentionality), and it gave THAT as the reason for posting the comment in this thread. That's the only reason I jumped in. The original commenter is downplaying it, but I saw it as an accusation, and I didn't want to let it go without comment.
Sorry if I triggered you. No need to resort to name-calling. FWIW, I didn't comment on your suggestion about the narrative, just your assertion that you're being censored. Given the execrable censorship regime we've been living in and only starting to escape, I think it's important to use that word properly. So that's the issue I chose to comment on.
The current narrative does seem to be suspicious. How odd that this person also had an engraving set and took the time to engrave the bullets just like the person who killed the insurance CEO allegedly did. I don’t do social media so maybe I’ve missed something.
Interestingly, I read that some people called out the event as being faked - and the media did their usual “misinformation, conspiracy, fact-checking” spiel. When they did it before it was to cover up the truth about Covid. Why are they doing it now? When they do that, I automatically think they are lying. NOTE: I READ ABOUT THIS, IT DOES NOT MEAN I BELIEVE IT. Caps for emphasis only.
I also read that shortly after the event, Elon’s AI persona Grok also confirmed Charlie was fine and well and it was basically theatre. The media erupted by saying Grok was spewing out misinformation. How could this golden boy AI be wrong? Lots of things don’t add up here. I think discernment is key.
Another thing I don’t understand about today’s post…. “pessimistic worldview convinced that society is irredeemable and inevitably headed for collapse or catastrophe.”… What is the rapture if this present dark world can be redeemed?
Not just suspicious, alot worse. No idea about AI, except to say there is very good reason not to trust or use it. If a restaurant is as good as its last meal, this one is pure barf. That disclosed, lets return to accurate assessments.
As mentioned the shell casing "carvings" (that are virtually impossible) is a huge tell that it is pure BS not Suspicious...
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
Jon Rappoport has what it takes to accurately assess the CK assassination story line:
"It keeps rolling. The wheels turn.
People make the wheels turn.
Who cares about evidence? Read my prior piece about evidence here.
If a high-profile figure were killed and a right-wing suspect were taken into custody, big conservative news outlets would be all over the evidence—looking for holes, claiming fraud.
But in this case, it’s a done deal. No need to dig beneath the surface. Tyler Robinson was on the roof, he fired the fatal bullet, he confessed to his father, he was living with a tranny, it’s Trantifa, he belongs to a murderous cult, cops found the rifle, he’s in jail under Special Watch in case he tries to kill himself…
On it rolls.
Robinson hasn’t confessed, he isn’t cooperating with the cops or the FBI, which just proves he’s stubborn and has no regrets about what he did, it has nothing to do with possible innocence. Of course not.
He couldn’t possibly be innocent, because he’s guilty.
He hated Charlie Kirk, so he killed him. He couldn’t hate Kirk and not kill him.
To consider the possibility that Robinson is innocent is to defile the memory of Charlie Kirk. Uh-huh.
How could someone oppose transgenderism and NOT call Robinson guilty? Blah-blah.
Could Tyler Robinson be a Lee Oswald? Don’t be ridiculous. In the JFK case, we know the rifle was a pathetic excuse for a murder weapon. Here, in Utah, the rifle was…
Yes? The rifle was what?
Forget about the rifle. Robinson is guilty.
Like Osama bin Laden was guilty of masterminding September 11th?..."
The assassination of Charlie Kirk has woken a sleeping giant . This is the “ Turning Point” . It is a battle between good & evil. Those who cheer the senseless murder of a good man are evil.
“You can tell a lot about a person by how they react when someone dies.”
In poker there are "tells" that alert knowing players someone is bluffing.
In media the tell is overt non sensical labeling exactly like this:
"ANTIFA phrases carved onto the bullet casings calling Charlie a “fascist” and “Bella ciao”, I think it’s safe to assume Robinson had some ANTIFA influence."
It takes a special kind of stupid to believe that some confused nutjob is Carving bullet casings. Really that is so exceptionally stupid that it takes real sophomores to drink this kool aid...
Of course, the preponderance of evidence strongly suggest WE are being lied to again. There are dozens of details. Very very odd that Childer's simply parrots the prevailing narrative.
As you corrently point out no assassin is going to disassemble a complex firearm, leap down a roof showing no evidence he carried anything, make it to another location, reassemble it, and leave. Thinking that possible is requires freshman mental acuity.
I would like to believe comments are not being buried, so I will continue with that assumption.
However, there are questions that require answers.
Here’s a question:
The alleged Killer broke down the rifle, scurried down the roof (nobody disagrees with this), then dropped a fully assembled rifle wrapped in a towel. Why would that action ever occur and for what reason?
Does anyone else find it curious that only one shot was fired?
Lets just add ONE more. This kid hit a 1 inch target at 200 yards.
The redefines marksmanship. The factors that must be included are several and extremely complex. This kid is a patsy. There are many many more impossibilities. JC knows this. Why then parrot the narrative????
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
PS one shot was heard. Professionals use silencers.
Apparently they haven’t found the bullet? I know the government cannot always tell us the truth. I hope they know and just can’t tell us. Just like all the others 😕
DDa wants to school on "proper" phraseology. That is how deaf he is to the issue at hand. They just shot a person loved like few other, a stellar example of living in accordance to higher values and thinks it appropriate to "teach" definitions (that he clearly does not understand). Brilliant.
The #walkaway movement has expanded exponentially this past week...and will continue to do so as it is the only pathway back to sanity.
Not until good Democrats turn their backs on the hatred and violence that their party has openly embraced and "walkaway" will this great nation begin to heal.
The Dem party that created the lynching mobs KKK are no different today. They still use their platform to promote hatred and death to anyone who opposes their evil agenda.
I’m beginning to wonder. Of course, we’ve all seen the celebration of Charlie’s murder. It’s evil. Another thing that really bothers me is that the people in my life who are Democrats have said NOTHING! They have enough sense not to openly show joy about it, but neither are they condemning those who do. To me, that’s almost as bad.
This. I totally agree with this. I have dealt with bullying my entire life, first myself in middle school, then in college, then in extended family, then in one of the companies I worked for, then I watched with heartache as both my sons endured it. In every case most people sat silently by and allowed it for fear of the target moving to their head. Their silence was condoning. They tried to spin it that it wasn’t, but it damn well is. Silence is the exact same as what the bully is doing. It cuts as deep and it signals to others that what’s happening isn’t bad enough to get involved.
Look at some more comments made today about RFK's comments about Charlie at his vigil. This is from Sayer Ji's substack today.
Marilyn Hart-Hutchison
I fully agree. I have followed and championed Sayerji for many years, and am now shocked that he is ignoring all the horrific statements against women, people of color, gay folk and many others made by Kirk. Totally a white nationalist and deplorable human being, as you say. I'm sad to see you go this low, Sayerji, and I champion you no more.
Linda Quest
I don't advocate violence of any kind. I also don't advocate hate speech, racism, misogyny, or anything that attempts to degrade the life of a human being, especially those based on the color of one's skin, the country of one's origin, or the religion (or lack t hereof) that one chooses to live by. So, hearing RFK, Jr.'s tribute to Charlie Kirk sickened me. Are you feckin' kidding me here?!!! Charlie Kirk was a misogynistic racist who spread hatred and discord wherever he went, and it's disgusting to hear him spoken about as if he were some sort of national hero. I never realized that Sayer Ji, let alone RFK, Jr., advocated what he stood for. I am OUT OF HERE!
Barrie sandman
Wow I thought Dr Sayer J had common sense ! After reading this I will unsubscribe to all of his content. Kirk was a deplorable human being bringing hate to college campuses and everything he touched ! I do not condemn the killing but will not euthonize a white nationalist !
Wow. They preface their statement of “I also don't advocate hate speech, racism, misogyny, or anything that attempts to degrade the life of a human being, especially those based on the color of one's skin, the country of one's origin, or the religion (or lack t hereof) that one chooses to live by.” Then proceed to do what they don’t advocate. 🤣
We are all made in the image of God. We are all sons and daughters of Adam. We all sin. We are all designed for perfection. Don't say, "there are no good democrats." Be like Charlie and meet some. See for yourself.
They burned crosses in the yards of people who were darker than they were.
When some black children…..CHILDREN!!!……came to the last church my dad pastored, these ‘good’ demonic rats wanted to burn the church down. He feared for me to ride the bus to school For fear of just how ‘good’ the would beat me to a pulp.
If you believe there are ‘good democRATS still in that party?? You are ‘woke’.
look at some more comments made today about RFK's comments about Charlie at his vigil. This is from Sayer Ji's substack today.
Marilyn Hart-Hutchison
I fully agree. I have followed and championed Sayerji for many years, and am now shocked that he is ignoring all the horrific statements against women, people of color, gay folk and many others made by Kirk. Totally a white nationalist and deplorable human being, as you say. I'm sad to see you go this low, Sayerji, and I champion you no more.
Linda Quest
I don't advocate violence of any kind. I also don't advocate hate speech, racism, misogyny, or anything that attempts to degrade the life of a human being, especially those based on the color of one's skin, the country of one's origin, or the religion (or lack t hereof) that one chooses to live by. So, hearing RFK, Jr.'s tribute to Charlie Kirk sickened me. Are you feckin' kidding me here?!!! Charlie Kirk was a misogynistic racist who spread hatred and discord wherever he went, and it's disgusting to hear him spoken about as if he were some sort of national hero. I never realized that Sayer Ji, let alone RFK, Jr., advocated what he stood for. I am OUT OF HERE!
Barrie sandman
Wow I thought Dr Sayer J had common sense ! After reading this I will unsubscribe to all of his content. Kirk was a deplorable human being bringing hate to college campuses and everything he touched ! I do not condemn the killing but will not euthonize a white nationalist !
Not everything that presents as human is not human. If you are not convinced there is a God, then surely you can see that evil is running rampant, which proves that Satan exists. Which proves that GOD exists.
There are demons. And they need a human body to use as a host. Anyone still in the RAT party after they have done, cannot claim to be a ‘good’ anything.
They funded the KKK and wrote Jim Crow Laws. The now fund Antifa and BLM. They fund abortion, with the intent of killing black and brown babies.
They re-enslaved black people with welfare and EBT cards. The gun up violence all over the world. They want to MUTILATE children. They want to make pedophilia an ‘alternate lifestyle’.
They tried to slandered and attempted to ruin TRUMP by ANY MEANS NECESSARY. They then tried to MURDER HIM. TWICE that we know of……They pushed activist judges and DA’s. THEY nominated an IDIOT who now sits on our SUPREME COURT!!!!!!
They turned loose criminals. Pedophiles, theives, murderers, traffickers onto our streets and into our neighborhoods.
They put child sex groomers into the classrooms with OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN.
They FLOODED our nation with murderous ILLEGALS.
And yes. I am YELLING!
And you want those NORMAL DEM
THOUGHTS to continue to run our nation into the ground?????????
You have made a statement with nothing to back it up. Do you know every Democrat in this country? It is blanket statements like yours that can lead to big problems. I have relatives who are lifelong democrats. They are kind, helpful individuals. They are hardworking, decent, law-abiding citizens. You might want to adjust your rhetoric in future.
Thus the importation of millions more dependent illegals, JT, thinking they are required to vote, and vote democrat to preserve their benefits. Isn't that the way the democrats weaseled their way into the black community? Broke the family unit and made single mothers dependent on government for their sustenance. Thankfully many blacks recognized they had been rounded up for a different form of slavery and left the plantation of the left.
I so wanted to comment on this post on the Free press this morning. But because I canceled my subscription long ago, I could not. Thank you so much for posting it again here. The world needs to read it!
Jeff IS allowing. I have seen many Substack authors who have the ability (and use it) to ‘turn off’ the comment section. See Holly the Math Nerd who does it frequently due to absurd/violent comments.
Re: the "allowing"comment. Any sub author has to turn off or on comment section every log in. This Sub authorized a takeover of a person posting scripture which seems curtailed since exposed. The issue is not with the Scripture!!
The issue was with the authorized takeover so there were not pertinent comments.
All by design.
However the topic a million times more important is the medias "shooter" story of CK. There are dozens of impossibilities documented. JC must know this.
Why then is he writing a piece as if this is a proven fact????????
The whole purpose of Subs is discussion of relevant topics.
This particular Sub was totally taken over by "Janice" publishing scipture without suggesting why. Thus burying discussion. Now if we believe thats ok then there is no reason for a discussion, defeating the purpose.
Turning off comments is one form of censorship, allowing the "discussion" to be co-opted another REGARDLESS of ones opinion of the co-opting takeover.
You believe what you want to believe. Janice posts are very welcomed by almost all here. The WORD of the One True Living God is the ONLY TRUTH there is in this fallen world.
The fact that you are offended by it makes me question your really being a Truth Seeker.
I think what they are saying and what they are thinking are two different things. What they are thinking is they are sorry it wasn't President Trump who was assassinated. Now with this "successful" assassination, the threat against Trump and his team is immensely magnified. This is how truly evil they are.
I think this is a good moment to think about our response. As you all know, I think we must all become Concealed Carry specialists. By specialists, I mean we know what the hell we are doing, not just someone carrying a gun and thinking they will be able to act. Along with that, we must be more aware than ever about what is happening in our surroundings and REPORT what you see immediately. Be prepared to deploy your weapon. There is video of a guy watching the assassin on the roof top before the assassination who said nothing to anyone who might've been able to stop it or could've stopped it himself had he simply starting jumping up and down and yelling. You know, something like SHOOTER, SHOOTER, SHOOTER ON THE ROOFTOP and pointing, perhaps that would have been enough for Charlie's security team to take action?
This accelerationism stuff on the internet is extremely worrisome. Taken along with public school and media indoctrination, it is a real threat to society and to our individual well being. I think it is something to which the President must apply his whole of government effort to detect and end. If they are inciting murdering people and glorifying those who have done so, they don't get free speech protection, they get investigated and shut down. I believe Soros and his MASSIVE Open Society/Arabella network of evil "NGOs" which have well funded tentacles EVERYWHERE is largely to blame. And the funding comes largely from our tax dollars too, through the criminal and corrupt uniparty and deep state bureaucracies.
We must figure out ways to take meaningful action. I'm listening...
This is what was posted on FB from Christopher Rispoli a veterinarian in Edmond, Oklahoma. I was not able to copy the image so I had to type it. They have taken down his picture on the clinic website.
He wrote, " Charlie Kirk, right wing stupid fuck maga activist shot unalived on Utah campus. He is only the first! Could we actually be getting smart and culling the sick ones!!! Oh gosh, I want the offer his family "my thoughts and prayers"!!"He ends with 3 images of a hand with the middle finger raised.
Please reach out to the American Veterinary Medical Association:
Customer service: 1 (800) 248-2862Headquarters: 1931 North Meacham Road, Suite 100, Schaumburg, IL 60173-4360avmagrd@avma.org
OR the Oklahoma Veterinary Medical Association:
Address: 13917 Quail Pointe Dr, Oklahoma City, OK 73134Phone: (405) 478-1002Phone: (405) 478-1002
It looks like they have taken down the entire website, I'm unable to get to it. Do you have the phone number for his vet clinic?
That is extremely disturbing, I tried to post his information in that new website www.charliesmurderers.com but it appears to have been taken down or access to it is being blocked.
Yes, I tried getting on this morning and its been wiped. Wonder who did that? The author should put up again using another title. You should see some of the filth being said on TruthSocial by leftists.
I’ve seen the filth on TS. These people are disgusting, evil, sick people and we should look at the entire left from that perspective. If someone on the left aids or abets their behavior they are equally guilty. The only option for anyone on the left who is not a lunatic, is to leave, walk the fuck away.
I agree with your premise of see something yell something Dan, but how did that work in Butler? Not so well and the time from first visual of someone on the roof to first shot was much longer.
I've not seen forensics of the timeline in Utah so will refrain from further speculation. I will however, speculate that both shooters, Butler and Utah, were not professional or practiced enough to commit the assassinations credited to them.
The forensics show clearly that the butler attempted assassination was who they say it was. And but for the grace of God it would have been successful. Yes, some people tried, a little, at Butler to do something but not nearly enough. All that said, in that case, I do agree the shooter was prepared by someone, perhaps elements of cabbage's admin participated to get training and all resources, to assassinate President Trump.
It appears no one in UVU did anything and could have. People have to wake up, pay attention and TAKE ACTION. The lunatics have made it clear they will attempt assassination to have their way. They are sick. The entire fucking left is sick and we should not see them as doing anything reasonable. Jeff's discussion of accelerationism is extremely important to see how the radicalization of these people is occurring.
Yep, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies flying around about someone else having done the horrific Kirk assassination and the attempted assassination of the President - before he won the Presidency - for the third time. The forensics are clearly pointing to the delusional, mentally ill shooter (who I will not name) they have arrested. There is no reason for the Trump Administration to cover this up or try to sell a different story. In fact, every reason exists for them to not try and sell something like the lunatics on the left are trying to sell.
I'm looking at every way possible for people to make a difference.
No the forensics don't show that. Check out my substack. If you use freely available aerial photographs you can see that a line from "Crooks" to Trump continues on to NEITHER the back railing of the south bleachers or James Copenhaver's arm, both of which were hit at about the same time as Mr. Trump.
One of the Secret Service counter sniper said in testimony before BOTH the House and Senate that he and his partner were taking fire at the SAME time shots started. He also said that when he talked to his partner about it, the partner said he thought the shots were on his right. Since the guy that testified thought the shots were on his left, that means the shots passed between them. This is the guy on the North barn, further from the front of the barn.
Hi Skeptical, my comments on line of sight were concerning the assassination of Charlie, not the attempted assassination of President Trump who should’ve been serving his 2d term had it not been stolen. But, now we see, the steal gave him time to prepare in detail. And boy did they prepare and boy are they executing the mission now. Exactly what I voted for. Trump was hit in the ear, his life saved by God. Full stop.
interesting assessment, do not go down that type of rabbit hole
Simply listen to the narrative and it either passes the BS test or it does not. I knew within 60 sec that Jo Bamma had a silver plated tongue AND that he was lieing. Took me less that 60 sec long before he "won" No one I knew saw this, they all drank the kool aid. That is just one example, not trying to blow a personal horn.
Pointing out that cultivating Discernment is the way forward.
What about the person seen on the water tower in Butler?
As far as Utah goes I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
Dan forensics do not "point" however they very successfully get people to parrot. Conspiracy is when two or more plot something nefarious or unlawful. Regardless of who the killer was it was a conspiracy.
One way to assist people is to drop off false beliefs as they degenerate
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
I do know that he was sitting in a terraced pit like structure with a canopy over him. They (FBI, etc) are already investigating and have found that the shooter's position on that roof top still afforded line of sight to Charlie and plunging fire, again, only 200 yards away. In fact without being on that rooftop at a lower lever he would not have been able to gain line of sight unless he was in the depression too. I saw a video of him limping to the school, the limp may have been caused by him having the upper and lower groups of the weapon secured to his legs - I'm not certain of this - it may have been prepositioned by him - or someone else but it would account for the limp and also make him look less threatening. The upper probably still had the scope attached and so the zero was still good. He simply had to re-mate the upper (receiver, barrel, scope) and lower (the stock). With a high power, zeroed scope, on a 30.06 rifle at only 200 yds, a reasonably easy shot for someone with some training on proper technique. Its not rocket science and especially not at only 200 yards. Honestly, I think Charlie's security detail became complacent over time and did a grossly inadequate job of securing the site, they may also have been undermanned and lacked other necessary resources. This was the first event of the year. People who saw the murderer did not sound off. Altogether, it cost us a great human being, my only sense of calm is from knowing he is in heaven but Im still quite angry. I will say it again, the left are essentially evil people (who've convinced themselves they are not) and they have proven, again and again, they have no good argument. They have concluded that lethal force is the best option to have their way. We need to accept that basic fact moving forward. And be prepared to defeat it.
All good points Susan. I have not seen detailed forensics of elevations, line of sight, acoustics and of course no details on Robinson and his experience with firearms. Access to the roof of building, how was that accomplished? Gravity provides a quick exit, human nature is to follow the route you entered from though. I'm now seeing reports of a 'screwdriver with DNA match' found on the roof. Is the media/feds playing catch up with an informed populous in reporting this now? I'm unsure, but a hex key (allen) wrench would probably be required to disassemble that weapon/scope. Would a hastily assembled high power rifle remain accurate enough to make a head shot at that distance? Was the weapon found fully assembled when found in the forest? This is beginning to look like a game of Clue.
As with Butler, we will probably never know the truth, and the golf course shooting is now producing crickets. Perhaps a president 50 years from now will demand the records be released on all these assassins.
Repentance is for the one who committed the action. False beliefs characterize those who went along or endorsed. Admission of the false beliefs a requisite to move forward. Otherwise stagnant.
Yes, and they are being taught that violence is the preferred and acceptable solution. Returning fire on them is not violence, but it does end their violence.
When you have a party that celebrates the killing of the unborn, you have a party that has lost its soul. It is no surprise they are celebrating Charlie’s death because it is what they do. They have chosen the side of evil.
Dawn, I have not heard anyone on the right support murder and justify it like the left does. Do you know of anyone on the right and what they said? I have been thinking about this and just cannot think of anyone on the right that has done so. And I cannot see anything positive or moral coming from the left either....
well the right is pretty gungho on organized murder of venezuelans (when anyone with 2 brain cells realizes the cia is the biggest drug cartel in the world) russians, gazans, muslims anywhere. . . and anyone else they are told to cheer on. so I'd say yes, the right does support murder and justify it.
drug dealers have to go so bravo to that. old cia has to go, bravo to that and hope they are working on it. the left love to kill the same you mentioned above. the left are worse by far.
Trump is a President who is trying to achieve peace. It's not always possible to do that without engaging in trying to take out terrorist organizations.
But ... we weren't talking about foreign policy. We were talking about other US citizens who have different political views. I.e. conservatives vs liberals.
I agree on this point but that is the govt. What I was talking about was citizenry on the right saying things like this:
Look at some more comments made today about RFK's comments about Charlie at his vigil. This is from Sayer Ji's substack today.
Marilyn Hart-Hutchison
I fully agree. I have followed and championed Sayerji for many years, and am now shocked that he is ignoring all the horrific statements against women, people of color, gay folk and many others made by Kirk. Totally a white nationalist and deplorable human being, as you say. I'm sad to see you go this low, Sayerji, and I champion you no more.
Linda Quest
I don't advocate violence of any kind. I also don't advocate hate speech, racism, misogyny, or anything that attempts to degrade the life of a human being, especially those based on the color of one's skin, the country of one's origin, or the religion (or lack t hereof) that one chooses to live by. So, hearing RFK, Jr.'s tribute to Charlie Kirk sickened me. Are you feckin' kidding me here?!!! Charlie Kirk was a misogynistic racist who spread hatred and discord wherever he went, and it's disgusting to hear him spoken about as if he were some sort of national hero. I never realized that Sayer Ji, let alone RFK, Jr., advocated what he stood for. I am OUT OF HERE!
Barrie sandman
Wow I thought Dr Sayer J had common sense ! After reading this I will unsubscribe to all of his content. Kirk was a deplorable human being bringing hate to college campuses and everything he touched ! I do not condemn the killing but will not euthonize a white nationalist !
And this is just some of it. Really malevolent. Look at this:
This is what was posted on FB from Christopher Rispoli a veterinarian in Edmond, Oklahoma. I was not able to copy the image so I had to type it. They have taken down his picture on the clinic website.
He wrote, " Charlie Kirk, right wing stupid fuck maga activist shot unalived on Utah campus. He is only the first! Could we actually be getting smart and culling the sick ones!!! Oh gosh, I want the offer his family "my thoughts and prayers"!!"He ends with 3 images of a hand with the middle finger raised.
I think Barrie Sandman who wrote that comment meant that too so I corrected him on that post. Yes, I know very well what euthanasia means so thanks anyway.
Charlie Kirk's children were in Arizona last Wednesday when their dad was martyred. They were not in attendance. I have seen many articles and notes that state this, so I'm not surprised it's out there. Erika Kirk confirmed they were not in attendance at her speech last Thursday night. I believe Erika may have been present but that has not been confirmed.
I noticed the same thing, Maggie. Erika said on camera that when she got home to Phoenix, her 3-year-old daughter asked where her daddy was. I thank God those children weren’t there to witness the horrific event that took their daddy’s life, or the trauma their mommy experienced. It could have had lifelong, profoundly deep psychological effects on those babies. The absence of their father for the rest of their lives will be traumatic enough.
Thank you! I cannot believe how many people are promoting the “ran to Daddy” scenario. The Police chief stated an officer had been sent to notify the family. That is why I didn’t think they were there but so much info you can’t get the truth.
You sir! WIN the internet today!!! I LOVE your most excellent response! poignantly written, overflowing with FACTS, nothing but truth bombs! Keep up the amazing written responses! This is one of the many reasons I LOVE C&C, not only is the author of C&C a most gifted writer, but it seems his fans and audience is as intelligent and thoughtful as he is!!!
And weirdly, on the other end of the spectrum, there are some apparently far-righties on social media who actually believe that the whole thing was a false flag, everything was staged, and that Charlie wasn’t actually shot. They think it was all political theater to benefit the Trump Admin. 😳 🤦♀️
Those people are insane and so far out on the margins it's laughable. The fact that you give them a seconds attention says as much about you as it does them. Conversely, the celebrations that we're seeing from the left on social media platforms is far from the margins. Its literally everywhere.
I can theorize why people think the Kirk "assasination" was staged: the explanations we've been given are not sensible. The lack of obvious security measures, that verify attendees did not have guns, is suspicious. Where are the images of a dead body being removed and put in a vehicle, and where would such a vehicle be expected to go? Where are the images recorded on the phones of most of the attendees?
There were videos of Charlie being carried hurriedly to the back of an SUV and whisked to the hospital where he was pronounced dead. No proof that they were real.
I don’t think that’s unreasonable during the hot takes phase. Gobbling up the Official Narrative™️ certainly seems like the wrong move. Just because Team Red has the ball does not mean we should not be skeptical.
I personally believe Kirk was shot, most likely by the suspect in custody’s but there’s probably more to the story. I questioned (and still do) the legitimacy of the Ashli Babbit shooting if for nothing else the complete lack of any reaction of a room full of people after a gunshot. The video is absurd.
Anyway, we should absolutely be questioning everything. Here’s a good X post by Ian Smith, you may remember him challenge NJ Gov. Phil Murphy during the COVID lockdowns.
Thankfully the normies are waking up. I pray it results in the total destruction of the Democratic party. McCarthy was right. The biggest threat to our country are the Marxists which pervade and run nearly every institution in America. The party that celebrates the murder of a young father and yawns when a young women is stabbed in the neck needs to be torn out by the roots.
EVANS! Great to see you here... you are on the list of commenters who always add insight and value to the conversation.. thanks for the excerpts from the great Sterling piece... I am amazed how the left continues to bend over backwards trying to deny this murderer is a far leftist ("his family are all REPUBLICANS") but don't really have much to say on thousands upon thousands of admitted leftists who cheer on this brutality... I continue to be amazed at the brashness of these people who think nothing of posting the joy at someone's murder, regardless of what they may think of Charlie Kirk's position on any issue... I don't hold most Democrats in high regard, but it never even crosses my mind to wish physical harm on any of them... and yet the left willingly screams (posts) their vile thoughts for all to see without a care in the world as to what (rational) people might think..... that tells me we haven't come quite as far as we thought we have in terms of a return to sanity.
Do these people celebrating Charlie's murder even know his positions at all? Have they watched any of his videos? I don't watch leftist videos. I don't think they watch right wing videos. Why would they, other than to stoke their own hatred?
Of course not- they watch the cherry picked snippets taken out of context and presented by the mainstream media (outside of his traditional Christian values which he absolutely said and the left can’t stand).
No!! A libtard from Lansing MI is the latest. She went to CK memorial with small cardboard sign saying "Death to Fascists" When confronted she could not list a single example of Fascism. However she was proud to state the she was a Communist. Only posted as an example. These idealogues are not just deranged
they are dangerous. Forget "wings" or other divisive terms. Support the truth
Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.
“Make me understand the way of thy precepts, and I will meditate on thy wondrous works. My soul melts away for sorrow; strengthen me according to thy word! Put false ways far from me; and graciously teach me thy law! I have chosen the way of faithfulness, I set thy ordinances before me. I cleave to thy testimonies, O Lord; let me not be put to shame! I will run in the way of thy commandments when thou enlargest my understanding!”
"The World Order sets up countless groups to promote any type of idea, and then sets up other groups to fanatically oppose them, but the masters have no dedication to anything except slavery."
yes, co-sponsoring radical ideologies that oppose one-another; refined over a few centuries so now we see the finished products of Transtifa-style online killer militia groups as only one of a cultivated variety of directed Death-Chaos-Hate groups arising in the West to the benefit of our rivals and enemies. Cut off one tentacle and others will be nourished and fed.
This cult is very much like terrorist. They start with the youth by instilling hatred and division. By the time they are young adults, they have no compassion as all humanity had been stripped away. They believe the world will be a better place without any kind truths, beauty, innocence, or decency.
Think 3000 years and go to Leviticus and Deuteronomy. 20 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. 3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. 4 And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: 5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people. 6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and a.... the instructions on the Molech worshippers are seen again and again throughout the Bible.
Adding to Daniel 12, verses 8-10: 8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?”
9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.
10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
“I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things hidden from the foundation of the Earth.”
“You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?”
“He who has ears, let him hear.” Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.”
Ray McBarry of pinnacle Baptist church in GA has 16 videos on biblical cosmology as well as a book. All backed up with scripture. It’s a fascinating topic.
Most secular proofs for flat earth theory comprise a “preponderance of evidence.” Such proofs include calculating the curvature of the Earth and comparing that to how far we can see.
A huge proof for this is the Guinness world record for long distance photography, https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/66661-longest-line-of-sight-on-earth. The photograph was taken from near the top of one mountain peak in Spain to another peak in France. The distance of the photograph is 275 miles. Using an online earth curvature calculator, you will discover that the amount of curvature between those two peaks is over 16,000 feet. Meaning, even from the top of the peak in Spain, the entire peak in France (12,740 feet high) should have been obscured by a wall of earth over 16,000 feet deep/high. And no, refraction and mirages don’t explain it.
We always see too far, as I can personally attest to from all my years looking at the Earth out of airplane windows and especially the cockpit. JTolan Media on YouTube routinely photographs landscapes hundreds and sometimes over 1,000 miles away using infrared cameras. One thousand miles of curvature equals a wall of earth 666,666 feet deep. Interesting number, isn’t it?
A second proof is the atmosphere of Earth. Science has always told us (until just recently!) that to have gas pressure, you need a container. Scientists claim that the vacuum of space has an unfathomable force of 10 to the -17 torr. If that’s true, Earth would have no atmosphere without a container to prevent it from being violently sucked off by the vacuum of space. But Earth has a container, namely the FIRMament.
Here is a white paper by the late great Dr. Michael Heiser, who was a very well-respected, born again Christian Bible scholar. While he (and most other serious Bible scholars) admits that the ancient Hebrews believed the Earth was flat, covered by a hard dome, with depth beneath the surface of the Earth, he will go on to tell you that the cosmology as described in the Bible is not scientifically correct, but that it doesn’t matter. He calls his view the Doctrine of Accommodation, which basically states that God accommodated the ignorance of the biblical writers when it came to science, and that the book of Genesis is all about “theological messaging“ rather than science. But, how Heiser justifies any other non-scientific event written in the Bible, such as the resurrection of Christ, is therefore beyond me. Basically, the Doctrine of Accommodation is a way of calling God a liar, in my opinion. But most important are the words of Christ Himself: “Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for HE WROTE OF ME. But if you do not believe his writings, HOW WILL YOU BELIEVE MY WORDS?” John 5:45-47 (caps mine).
I remember sharing this verse on here probably three years ago, but when I thought of it again last night in connection with Charlie, it spoke even more powerfully.
Anyone else suspicious of the ‘lone early 20’s shooter’ theory? Or is it just me repeatedly saying this seemed like a hit performed by someone a little more experienced than this guy? Not that he may not have been ‘involved’ but I don’t think he pulled that all off on his own.
How could Patel not have e considered the proximity of the Trans Shooting Club to Kirk that day?! Did they evaluate in line discussions w/I this group? This never should have happened. There are evil forces in FBI that much is obvious
I'm not convinced Robinson was the one who pulled the trigger, or that the shot came from the roof. Where's the spent 30-06 bullet? How was the rifle removed from the roof? No evidence of a rifle when the figure jumped to the ground, unless it was completely broken down and concealed in the backpack. To do that, for a competent gunsmith, with specialized tools, in a calm environment, would take a couple to three hours. And then to reassemble it and leave it in the woods wrapped in a towel is beyond ludicrous.
We don’t know a lot about shooting but something seems ‘off.’ Thankfully we have people in this comment section who can educate us. Maybe it is all dead on but the government hasn’t given me much to trust in my life
The rifled barrel is attached to the bolt action and trigger mechanism. They can be lifted out of the stock, with methods varying between manufacturers, but typically requiring unscrewing two screws and lifting out the barrel (and action, magazine, and trigger assembly, which all lift out as one unit).
The scope is usually attached via scope rings, with bases that screw directly to the barrel and action.
Some actions can only be removed from the stock if the bolt is first pulled entirely out of the rear of the action. That takes maybe two seconds… move a lever, rotate and pull the bolt. That would eject the casing from the bolt.
The screws would take a while longer.
That’s a conventional rifle we are discussing.
A takedown modified rifle is designed to easily separate the barrel from the action, usually along with part of the forend (stock around the barrel). They cost a lot more, but make for easy packing.
A takedown setup would not require removal of the bolt, and taking one apart would not necessarily eject the casing.
Any evidence the rifle was a "take-down" type? The rifle has been reported to be a Mauser... but a picture of the purported rifle had a black synthetic stock...
"Mauser ceased production of military bolt-action rifles chambered in 30.06 with the end of World War II in 1945, as the controlled round feed Mauser 98 system production for the German military ended at that time. While the company continued to produce civilian hunting rifles, including models based on the Mauser 98 system, the specific .30-06 chambering for military use was not part of its post-war production."
Info released claims it was a Mauser rifle, not a custom rifle that had a Mauser action.
You still have not explained why he disassembled the rifle (while still on the roof, or while he was escaping?) and re-assembled the rifle prior to dumping it, while on the run. He had to have disassembled teh rifle before leaving the roof, it is too long assembled to go along with the pics taken of him dropping off the roof... Does that make any sense?
I completely hear and understand what you're saying. But all that data and analysis goes to someone working in leisure, perhaps at a bench. I don't see a kid that lives in a gaming world and plays online furry role playing likely to be that calm after killing a man. That kind of control comes from experience, practice, and formidable mental focus.
I've pulled people from a burning car, performed CPR, several other similar things. Most people don't react like that. Those trained and experienced in life and death situations usually do. But this kid seems to have literally none of that exposure. Unscrewing two screws on the roof of a building under those mental circumstances, in a hurry, not dropping the screws, escaping and then reassembling in the woods?
That's not an easy sell unless he has some proven calm under pressure. Not impossible, but improbable.
For me, the psychology and discipline required are the key to plausible or not with whoever's accused. Someone crazy and lacking empathy might meet that requirement, but not all. And once the act is done and the death is known, how many would instantly regret it and panic? Probably more than not.
Obviously I don't know the kid or all the details. But right now, there are a tremendous number of data points unrelated to firearms that don't fit the public statements, but many that fit with other false flag events. And others have said, conspiracy theorists are about 45-0 the past decade with the overt lies the gov't has told then been found out. So, I feel like the "prove me wrong" position is the correct starting point.
It's not personal. I hope you can shed some light on it, firearms and all. But the complete picture, all aspects, seems full of holes as it stands.
There are numerous pictures of him as a teen, hunting with his family. The kid grew up in rural Utah, with hunting and rifles. He didn’t just play video games.
Like I said, for anybody already familiar with firearms, the thing he most likely needed to learn from his Discord advisors was how to get into position, with a rifle, in an urban venue.
The basic weapon handling should have already been mostly in place.
Demonic influence could do it. Someone whose conscience is gone? Someone raised on role playing video games. ... I find the idea he changed his clothes 2xs to be more suspicious... suspicious that the fbi believes it. Unless they have him on camera, sounds more like a 2nd person.
The rifled barrel is attached to the bolt action and trigger mechanism. They can be lifted out of the stock, with methods varying between manufacturers, but typically requiring unscrewing two screws and lifting out the barrel (and action, magazine, and trigger assembly, which all lift out as one unit).
The scope is usually attached via scope rings, with bases that screw directly to the barrel and action.
Some actions can only be removed from the stock if the bolt is first pulled entirely out of the rear of the action. That takes maybe two seconds… move a lever, rotate and pull the bolt. That would eject the casing from the bolt.
The screws would take a while longer.
That’s a conventional rifle we are discussing.
A takedown modified rifle is designed to easily separate the barrel from the action, usually along with part of the forend (stock around the barrel). They cost a lot more, but make for easy packing.
A takedown setup would not require removal of the bolt, and taking one apart would not necessarily eject the casing.
OK, let me ask you a question. How does a 30-06 round not blow out his neck? I don't shoot a lot, but my impression is that rounds that big destroy flesh. And ballistics targets with a 30-06 do massive damage. So, help me understand that first.
How much resistance would you expect the bullet to encounter in the neck?
Have you ever shot small game with a round designed for big game? Rounds often don’t expand, and zip right through. The bullets are not optimized for smaller, softer targets.
On the other hand, hydrostatic shock from a rifle velocity round in the neck would be likely to produce more or less instantaneous unconsciousness, from shock waves into the spine and brain stem, and the way Charlie falls in the video it looks like he was instantly out, before he had the chance to bleed out.
I hope he was. I hope he never had the chance to feel pain, or fear.
No Robinson jumped off the roof with the shotgun hidden in his jeans as he walked with a limp. The spent cartridge was with the gun in the woods where he hid it. Robinson is the shooter, but more persons are involved!!
It was not a shotgun. And... He could not have had the rifle in his jeans, even if the barrel/scope was detached from the fixed stock. Too long, too wide.
If you can find a friend or acquaintance with a high-caliber hunting rifle, with scope...
Ask them to separate the barrel/scope from the stock... the scope can't be removed from the barrel without a lot of work and with a serious loss of accuracy when replaced... then put the barrel/scope assembly into one pant leg and the stock into the other pant leg. See if they fit... then see if you can walk, even with a minor limp, with them in your pants.
The width of MY hunting rifle's scope and barrel is around 3.5-4" and is obviously not flat. Can you fit a 3.5-4" wide assembly into YOUR pants, along with your leg? The barrel/scope assembly is 34" long... I am 6'1" and my pant inseam is 33". You couldn't walk with it in your pants, even if it fit, without walking totally stiff legged...
The stock is 5.5" wide at the base, and is 33.5" long. No way it would fit into some guy's pants and even if it did, again, the guy would be walking with totally stiff legs, no knee flex at all. This was not the case.
Thanks for educating us, Abiding Dude. Although fully supportive of 2A I do not know much about guns. Something feels off to me so I apologize if my questions sound ignorant but I appreciate just how many people have knowledge here about a wide range of topics.
That's simply not true it takes a matter of minutes. I own one. I can take it apart in under a minute .check your facts before you post absolute bullshit. Do you own a gun? have you ever shot a gun? do you know the difference between a 22 and a 357 Magnum? You may want to do research and check with people who know, before you post such stupid statements. other than that have a good day dumb dumb
Watch your rude comments. We may not know everything about shooting but something feels off about this. If you’re actually a decent person we can learn a lot from you and likely you from us
You are correct, I should have not been rude. I was pissed off from reading insane theories on the interweb, that does not justify what I did, but thank you for being so graceful. You lead by example, I shall try to do the same. have a good day.
Thank you for your response. I truly do appreciate the lovely knowledgeable people of coffee and COVID. We learn SO much here. I’m ignorant to guns but if the subject is ever anesthesia I’d be happy to lend my knowledge
Yes, John above is not familiar as to how easy it is to separate the barrel/scope assembly from the rifle stock... but it WOULD take some time and a tool to assemble and disassemble... on a roof under intense pressure/fear... but he does raise some interesting issues...
The shooter did not appear to have the rifle when he left the roof... I don't know if he had a backpack... even if he did, the usual barrel/scope assembly of a standard hunting rifle is around 33", give or take... most backpacks are not that long... the stock would be a bit longer, say 35". And that would mean that the shooter had to have disassembled the rifle AFTER he made the shot... to put in into the backpack... VERY unlikely... and no way a fully assembled rifle would fit in a backpack.
So YES, how did the assembled rifle get into the woods?
The usual barrel of a .30-06 hunting rifle is 22”. Where are you coming up with 33?
As far as fitting into a backpack, it depends on the dimensions of the backpack.
And investigators claim the rifle was found, wrapped in a towel. They did not say it was recovered in the backpack…. so rapid disassembly may not have been required at all.
And did you forget that a scope was attached to the barrel assembly? And that the scope extends over the back of the breech?
I came up with the 33" by measuring a barrel assembly, with scope attached, from a rifle I own.
The rifle was way too long, assembled, to fit in any normal, even large, backpack... suspect came off the roof and clearly did not have an assembled rifle with him. You could see him clearly and his "backpack"... which clearly did not contain an assembled rifle... and... IF the rifle was not in the backpack, how did it get off the roof and into the woods?
Fair enough. I was not thinking about barrel and action combined, but should have been.
24” used to be standard for .30-06, but in recent years I have seen a lot more 22” for .30-06, and 20” for .308z
But as far as getting the rifle off the roof, we already know he was texting somebody about picking up the rifle from a drop point.
He could easily have wrapped it in a towel or some other wrapping, and dropped it to one of his Discord conspirators.
Or, it could have been a modified takedown rifle. Those only take seconds to unlock and rotate apart.
I have not seen high quality images of the reported murder weapon, so don’t know if it could have been a takedown model. If so, that would have fit into a backpack pretty quickly.
You are correct for calling me out, I should have done better ,I allowed emotion to overrule intellect and pushed send without thinking. I apologize for calling the man dumb dumb ,that was immature and unnecessary. I should have engaged him in honest conversation, I failed to do so ,that's completely on me.
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
my BF's IQ is higher than yours and obviously, he is not as rude or i would not be with him. his comment was only in reference to the person who said that it would take 2 to 3 hours to disassemble such a gun. the open roof was not part of the question.
obviously, the entire thing seems weird. anyone trying to escape would not take even the 30 seconds to take apart their weapon. nor would they then reassemble it in the woods and leave it to be found. i watched the footage. i see him put down his bag or backpack. i don't see him retrieve it. then again, it's not very clear and i am most certainly missing something. i don't have the technology to freeze frame. my government has tried to tell me many "stories" starting with oswald as the lone gunman. as a 9 year old i watched jack ruby walk right up to the world's most wanted man and shoot him point blank on live television. i thought "how convenient."
No, your boyfriend is not close to my IQ, but that is not relevant... I edited my comment, no need for insulting YOU... I was still pissed at the ass-clown billy Bob.
You make good points. Your boyfriend is correct, IF you have the right tool, you can take a barrel off pretty quickly... doing it right after shooting someone, on an open roof in front of a huge crowd... well... more difficult and the transporting of the rifle, and ditching it assembled again... very odd.
thank you. however, you have no idea what my BF's IQ is and IQ is not the only test of smarts. he was the original technical director of Phantom of the Opera on Broadway and all the tours across the country. he personally directed the crews that reinforced the grids of every major theater in the USA so that they could support the weight of the proscenium decor. as such, he is a jack of all trades, extremely handy and i am lucky to have him, especially since we live in an old house. and he ALWAYS has the right tool.
You're wrong IMO. People did not look at the video close enough. The gun was already wrapped in the dark towel. It was carried along his side. He laid it on the edge of the roof before hanging down off the edge, picked it up and dropped it down, then he dropped down and picked it up and continued to carry it along the side away from the camera. I looked very carefully at that video that was released. The official version.
This is the same playbook used for the JFK assassination and Trump Butler assassination attempt. Set up a credible patsy, the Media reinforces the narrative, eliminate the patsy. Don’t let Jack Ruby’s grandson anywhere near this current patsy.
There's a lot about this that stinks on ice. Dismantling the rifle, assembling on roof, shooting and dismantling again and then reassembling to put in a box??? The little messages on the unused bullets.
And how about the video that popped up over the weekend of CKs wife Erika kissing hands of who could be anybody in the coffin she was leaning over. I mean was it even her? Why in tf was that filmed and posted?
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
You should see the reporting of the three individuals next to and behind Charlie that day giving known military signals …. It really does appear to be coordinated. Of course it’s just speculation at this point but seeing those people and their hand signals and how they backed out of the way when the shots came, not fearfully but more deliberately, is really disturbing
I have seen it…and much more. There is some information pointing to who these guys are and there were his security detail around too. There is also footage that needs to be explained of a guy taking down cameras and moving things under that tent right afterward -and it was a crime scene!!!
There is other disturbing footage being dissected that is equally damning to this bs that this kid did this or did it alone. They forget - 10 yrs ago they could have pulled the wool over our eyes quite easily. And they did it routinely. NOW - with the tech equipment at our fingertips and the digital expertise out there -they cannot hide evidence like before. It’s ALL being torn apart and their package with the bow on top stinks to the heavens.
Precisely because they KNEW they weren’t being targeted. They DID move in a way that someone would move who knew they weren’t the target but could be accidentally hit. It’s different than how someone innocent and clueless would move who would literally dive to the ground.
Would Charlie’s security team have been signaling each other?
Anyway, it seems likely that someone affiliated with the school who helped plan & set up the event was in touch with the killer. Because Charlie’s position that day was anticipated.
I have to assume that Kash Patel is on the right side of things, and is trying to weed out the deep staters from the FBI. I only have so much energy to give attention to online debates about things I cannot answer or control.
We elected Trump because we expect him and those he has picked to help him to dismantle the government-led forces that have been killing our country. Give him a year or so, please, to undo 80 years of deep statery.
Take a look near the bottom of this posting by Jenna McCarthy today. LOTS of questions. Like the face of the "shooter" not matching the angular jaw line of the person seen walking on the stairs before hand. The odd drone seen flying after the shot, the position of the hand of one guy to the right of Charlie Kirk, and much more. https://jennasside.rocks/p/do-we-actually-need-a-charlie-kirk
I'd also like to know about this rifle that he supposedly had in his pants, but in one of the pictures, both legs are bent. Clothing different. Jaw is different from the supposed killer. Where's the rifle at coming down off the roof? Good points made in one of the videos where the rifle can't be taken apart quickly, nor would it be reassembled. In fact, I'm thinking he was a completely set up patsy, and the shooting was down on stage.
The people on his security staff are members of a pro-Israel organization, and the video taken from the left side of the stage (as you're standing at the stage) seems to show a number of people doing hand signals, and one having a suspicious device under his left arm pointing towards Charlie Kirk, and then pulls it out and puts it in his pants.
I’m not disagreeing with you but they got on the roof with a dissembled rifle,
Assembled it, took the shot, dissembled the rifle, escaped, reassembled the rifle, hid it in the woods, escaped, and then was arrested wearing the same clothes days later… um… okay
I have a reply from Economist Bob in my email, that is not showing up here. In that reply, he says perfect shots from two football fields are not child’s play, and if they were the Army would not give out marksmanship badges.
So I’ll reply to that, here.
I shot Expert on Navy rifle course, but only Sharpshooter on the Army course. But, the Army course used pop-up targets, which only stayed up for a couple seconds at 50-100 meters, and a few seconds longer at 150, 200, 250, and 300 meters. Shooter has to recognize the target has popped up, move sights to target, and engage under a time limit.
I scored 33 out of 40, IIRC, with iron sights on an M16, on the Army course. Missed Expert by a couple.
Now, make that a scoped rifle, against a stationary, seated target.
My 12 year old, when he was 11, could put a .243 within a couple inches of the bull at 100 yards.
Geometry says he’d have been within 6” or less at 200 yards.
And like I said, I don’t think the sniper’s shot was perfect. I expect that he wanted a certain effect, like Thomas Crooks did before him, and that he was going for a head shot…. and missed by a few inches but still scored a lethal hit.
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
I’m sorry I do not believe a word the MSM says. Have you seen the area? I know someone who goes to school there and took a picture from standing on top of the terrace down to where he was sitting. I’m going with no.
I'm not saying TR did it, even though I think it very likely he would have given the opportunity, but you don't need to be a trained sniper to make that shot.
It's an average range shot for a .30-06 and the rifle, although just an average deer rifle, is entirely capable of it. I have a half dozen nephews in their late teens and 20's who take and make successful shots like that on game animals all the time. None of them have been formally trained.
Everyone I know is saying this very thing. -WE ARE NOT GETTING THE TRUTH. -We got everything wrapped up and neatly handed to the masses with a bow on top in less than 48 hours!!
But career criminals in DC in our congress with so much evidence a train couldn’t push through it, walk the halls spewing their utter BS about can’t we all get along. And not ONE charge against ONE of them in 9 months…so far.
So ya. Many of us are sneering at the lack of truth we are being spoon fed.
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
Like many others, we won’t ever find out the truth. Because we can’t handle it? Probably
There is a video out there showing a flash from another building. I can’t remember who posted it. It was difficult to watch because it shows Charlie getting hit. I can’t stop crying.
Right? Trump can’t bomb a boat of drug dealers in the ocean headed to our shores because they weren’t given due process first but shooting Kirk is OK and our fault? Where was HIS due process for the crimes they feel he committed???
They are not simple "Drug Dealers", but a symbol of a connectd world. Just as the world has grown smaller through instant communication and global flights, and international corporations, so organized crime in the many ways, especially the global Cartels, have infiltrated nation states and are a deeply corrupting influence threatening local and national governments.
wonder how many of the 56% would agree that violence from the right against the left is also justified - when you abandon God itis easy to abandon the Golden Rule
sorry Bob - the left has been in control of Congress, where laws are made, for a lot more time than conservatives - you might want to follow Mark Twain's advice - if you keep your mouth shut people will only assume that you are a fool - if you open it then all doubt will be removed
i'd say it's a prerequisite for many politicians in deep Blue areas at this point; UNLESS the astute Left (Jerad Polis) play calm and simply keep moving underhandedly (as he has for decades) and smiling so that they'll find themselves at the new "center"--that actually seems like a stratagem for moderate-appearing progressive statesmen to arise, especially as they agitate for some extreme rightwing reactionary response to bear out their claims of FACISM. In fact let's see who on the Left advocates for death penalty in this case--that would indicate much.
What a great article today Jeff, we can rely on you for such pertinent info. I'm listening to a Brian Cates stream right now, and he pointed out that the Luciferian cult made the decision to take out a voice for light and reason, but there were unintended consequences. Their minions who were trapped in the dark wavelength could not contain themselves and let loose their glee with the murder of a good man.
The segment of the population that was not totally under the dark spiritual spell saw this, and recoiled from it. It has caused many to come to their senses. Some who have never read the Bible have opened it for the first time.
The Rutgers study found that “56% of those who self-identified as left of center reported that, if someone murdered Donald Trump, they would be at least somewhat justified.”
But we all know that there are smart people out there who know better than to unveil themselves. I suspect the real number is closer to 70%.
Self-inflicted wounds often cut deepest. Punishing, cancelling, and ostracizing others based on opinions is an honest visceral and altogether miscalculated response, no matter how idiotic the commenter or ensuing appalling remarks (barring serious threats). I’ve seen that movie. As a matter of fact I got up and tried to walk out, but I was forced to stay. I’m not interested in the sequel.
Are we free speech advocates or aren’t we? We can’t have it both ways. One thing we should have learned over the last few years is that the more the morons open their drain holes the easier it is to identify them as morons. (Rejoicing over the killing of a decent human being officially registers you as a certified card carrying pathetic moron. You can skip the exam). I don’t want my enemies lurking in the shadows. I want them in broad daylight wildly proclaiming their particular brand of stupidity in thunderous and majestic fashion. (Please, by all means, keep giving Keith Olbermann a microphone). Additionally - and this is just my personal viewpoint - someone else’s opinion of me or my beliefs is none of my business. Conversely, my opinion of someone else or their beliefs shouldn’t be any of their business…and certainly shouldn’t have such an earth shattering negative impact to warrant physical retribution, let alone a bullet. My opinion should in no way carry that much weight. “Sir, I’m afraid you elevate my importance.” It’s a slippery slope. We’re dancing with Orwell while serenading Huxley by adopting this as dogma.
In, arguably, saner times it was: “Less filling!”...”Tastes great!”..........nobody died.
I'd rather see and hear the idiots, than read about their cancelation and removal. A little freedom of speech never hurt. I can reach my own conclusions, I think.
Sorry but people who state that murder is acceptable for wrong think who are in high trust positions such as doctors, nurses, teachers etc should be removed from their positions. They could act on those ideas with their students or patients.
Agree - free speech does not include inciting violence! I just think that we have to be very careful about what the government does at this stage. Crackdown on hateful speech (that doesn't incite violence) is not good in the long term.
I don’t think we can “fire” our way out of this. The accelerationists will just be driven underground. Ideas are always impossible to kill unless they are openly encountered by a better idea. Read John Stuart Mill’s “On Liberty”.
They did. Some were recorded making their classroom of kids watch the assassination over and over while preaching against fascism and its consequences to the class.
I have not heard this. Just when the depravity of man (or woman) could not get worse, it does. If I was a parent of a student in a class with a teacher that did this, I would press charges against said teacher for abuse.
It's not cancel culture to be fired for promoting murder. It's a company finally showing some character. They don't want to have such deranged people working for them, representing them, being a danger to other workers. This is not an attack on free speech. This is an acknowledgement that one of the 10 commandments still stands. We can't regulate what is inside their heart and minds but we can give them consequences.
I agree. And to my thinking, that is not "cancelling" these leftists. We are just pointing out and amplifying their own words on social media. Their employers then see those posts and choose to terminate them because they do not uphold the values of those organizations (like decency, empathy, reason, logic, Hippocratic oath, etc.) Juxtapose this with when people simply tried to post facts about Covid or vaccines that were kicked on social media, lost jobs, debanked, harassed by the FBI and more. Now, THAT is Cancel Culture.
Yes indeed. Check this out from a veterinarian. Know who is taking care of your beloved pets.
This is what was posted on FB from Christopher Rispoli a veterinarian in Edmond, Oklahoma. I was not able to copy the image so I had to type it. They have taken down his picture on the clinic website.
He wrote, " Charlie Kirk, right wing stupid fuck maga activist shot unalived on Utah campus. He is only the first! Could we actually be getting smart and culling the sick ones!!! Oh gosh, I want the offer his family "my thoughts and prayers"!!"He ends with 3 images of a hand with the middle finger raised.
Please reach out to the American Veterinary Medical Association:
Customer service: 1 (800) 248-2862Headquarters: 1931 North Meacham Road, Suite 100, Schaumburg, IL 60173-4360avmagrd@avma.org
OR the Oklahoma Veterinary Medical Association:
Address: 13917 Quail Pointe Dr, Oklahoma City, OK 73134Phone: (405) 478-1002Phone: (405) 478-1002
He is free to say what he wants and you are equally free to disregard it. When you begin to silence speech of any kind, you are asking the powers that be to allow only what YOU prefer but that could easily change after one election. Suddenly your religious beliefs, your medical beliefs could be silenced. People say stupid, hateful stuff daily. You were given a mind(I think) to discern what you accept and don't as truth. Doxing is just as evil as anything that person said.
Completely irrelevant. The point of this is to show there are no longer two sets of rules. If you get our side fired for wrong think, we'll get your side fired for celebrating a murder.
No one on the right wants this, we'd all like to go back to the public square where ideas are debated, and the better argument prevailed. But the left decided they were going to change the rules.
So you can sit back and boast about what a good person you are and how "tolerant" you are of people celebrating murder. Good for you, you get a gold star. In the mean time, people that actually understand what time it is are showing the left there are immediate consequences for their civilization destroying behavior.
When the left wants to go back to the old rules, the right will be happy to do so. But not a moment before, the days of two sets of rules are over.
There is no going back. And what we are going toward no one knows. If the old way condoned the assassination of a man in front of thousands of people including his wife and very small children maybe it was a flawed way. Agree or disagree as you will with Charlie Kirk. The indisputable fact is he was killed for nothing more than using his words.
There is no going back. And what we are going toward no one knows. If the old way condoned the assassination of a man in front of thousands of people including his wife and very small children maybe it was a flawed way. Agree or disagree as you will with Charlie Kirk. The indisputable fact is he was killed for nothing more than using his words.
There is no going back. And what we are going toward no one knows. If the old way condoned the assassination of a man in front of thousands of people including his wife and very small children maybe it was a flawed way. Agree or disagree as you will with Charlie Kirk. The indisputable fact is he was killed for nothing more than using his words.
There is no going back. And what we are going toward no one knows. If the old way condoned the assassination of a man in front of thousands of people including his wife and very small children maybe it was a flawed way. Agree or disagree as you will with Charlie Kirk. The indisputable fact is he was killed for nothing more than using his words.
There is no going back. And what we are going toward no one knows. If the old way condoned the assassination of a man in front of thousands of people including his wife and very small children maybe it was a flawed way. Agree or disagree as you will with Charlie Kirk. The indisputable fact is he was killed for nothing more than using his words.
I don't pay attention to any sad sacks/lefties/anyone who celebrates CKs death event. If you have time, have at it. Most people have things to get on with.
EXCEPT in the classroom. I agree that I can cancel my banker/accountant/retailer who posts heinous things. But if parents are to trust those who have influence over their children, and whose taxes pay their salary, these people need to be fired.
Don’t think so. They need to become irrelevant by having the school budget taken away from them. $ should be attached to the student, not to the teachers union and education bureaucracy.
It isn't Israeli people but the Israeli gov't that people are pointing fingers at. There were Zionist groups funding Kirk but he began to turn away their funding after the genocide in Gaza. The intentional deaths of thousands is not a very Christian thing to do, and counter to his message. Who knows what the truth is? You can accept the official story if that makes you content.
Lots of politicians "admire" the CCP, including the former head of the WEF, Klaus Schwab.
The Chinese social credit system is digital slavery. It can also be seen as "racist" since you are required to have a bank account, and many minorities don't have one.
So... what can each one of us do? A few simple things. Use cash as much as possible. Encourage your friends to do so. Talk to people about why you're using cash.
If an employer is so disgusted by an employee's speech or behavior that they are moved to fire them, that is both just and reasonable. One cannot insist on free speech for the employee while constraining the employer to tolerate the intolerable.
There MUST be way in which a civil society enforces norms, such as not cheering murders and murderers, or there will never be any hope that this behavior can be self-extinguished.
In the past, shaming was the process by which our society enforced Christian-based norms. which led to a society that had few out-of-wedlock births, fewer broken marriages, less drug addiction, few abortions and so on.
Today, shame and cancelation is one tool by which the demonic enforce THEIR norms of tolerance for perversion, refusal to accept responsibility and even reality and so on. Because it works.
I don't want my enemies lurking in the shadows. I also don't want them recruiting oatmeal heads to their radical sickness and creating even more enemies who have no boundaries to their actions. Cultural anarchy does not lead to peaceful coexistance. Ceding authority to vipers does not make for a balanced and fair world. There is nothing wrong with loudly declaring what is good and right life-affirming and doing our best using all our power to constrain those who declare that evil is good and good is evil.
Well, they're quite burrowed into the dark shadows and they are planning evil things which you'll not know until it happens. That is the internet, the dark web, gaming, social media and they lurk quite well.
This is a WAR, sure we can foolishly allow our enemies "Freedom of Speech" to attack us and agitate their side while demeaning ours, saying our children should be raped and killed and all other manner of Culture War talk, but this WAR of Words accompanies a very real war being waged upon a witless West. Washington did not tolerate Tories, nor did Lincoln suffer Confederates, yet both were highly criticized but at some point you must declare war and take proper measures against those who want to kill and enslave you. These are Domestic Enemy Terrorist Groups some funded by Foreign Criminal Gangs and States. They have no fundamental right to Freedom of Speech, Assembly, or anything else and are in fact enemy combatants.
It seems that you are advocating for our government determining what speech is acceptable. That is a dangerous road to walk down. Let our European neighbors experiment with “hate speech” laws … I prefer to live in the land of the free.
Indeed, as in using term "Invasion" for Biden-Mayorkus policies, our enemies are at war with us and we refuse to accept it. Rather we go shopping, to school or church or to a music-beer festival and accept that Criminal elements have been activated to attack us-- and then blandly call it a rise in crime and mental-health based violence. War merits a War Department to counter attack Enemies--and NOT like GW Bush admin. monitoring Islamophobia and promoting Ramadan. The Left-Dems have made it clear what they want to do to our "free speech" assembly and religion when it counters their aims. At some point there will be a critical mass of this Leftist incitement and instructional-promotional shit of killing kids and elderly and how to attack and bomb your local hospital type "speech" with ties to China-Russia-N. Korea-whothefu*kever, that we WILL have to fully engage it.
Sure a Rightwing Reactionary impulse is very imperfect and plays into their plot as well, they'd love optics of having adherents disappeared by Death Squads. We can only straddle the razor wire fence for so long before populace demands it be crushed forcefully. Lets be serious and take lesser steps now--or do we chance seeing paramilitary skinhead-like supremacists actually rise in popularity to deal with it since the "moderate middle" won't?
Obama-Biden-& EU LEFTIST Parties openly arbitrate free-speech for their own purposes and then allocate it to their supporters (donors, corporations, Jihadis, Communists) while stifling all opposition by various means with minimal justification and idiotic arguments. Sure, they likely plant a bad apple in an opposition party so they can later axe them to the ground, and we've seen some of that too, but Leftists can NEVER be trusted to run Govt. nor ensure Freedom.
Freely Criticize and insult Kirk's ideas, mannerisms, business and politics without repercussion, that is your God-given Right. Throw out words of support for attacking and killing of Americans and you've elevated your status to THREAT level. The "HE HAD it COMING" argument can be fine as long standing by itself, but when embellished and justified and disseminated as a weapon to further incite rather than dissuade, then the fuller context turns criminal. Do it during a period of violent outbreaks and attacks (like after Sumter was smoldering) and you've likely chosen to side with and give aid and comfort to the ENEMY. When did the Constitution spell out upholding the Rights of Enemies? So in the "Unrestricted Free Speech for ALL!" template, Enemies may be given cover and protection even as they incite and propagandize and organize attacks like a Crime Boss suggesting someone go fishing in the East River later this week. FINE--then let them be fully scrutinized to ensure they don't put one toe across the "line" to materially support, condone, direct, or approve an attack. Sorry but use of internet in these cases drastically lowers the burden of proof of criminality and possible "enemy" status. We're not officially "AT WAR" so we face curbing this the easy way (firings, disciplinary action, civil suits) or fostering it to incubate and later spontaneously combust into a more widespread mass-murder front.
How do YOU know who is pulling the strings? From where I sit, I see a lot of manipulation of both sides in an effort to perpetuate division, allow removal of freedoms of all kinds, allow permanent surveillance. You are ready to go to war but against who? The enemy you've been convinced of by media? Keeping people in a permanent state of fear and hatred makes for a very compliant public that isn't looking at who is doing the manipulation.
i agree that we trust none in power and to not allow Hate or Fear rule, but when we see everyday Democrats turning into Leftists ruled by Hate and Fear, lapping up propaganda and defending murder, invasion, burning of cities, then it must be forcefully countered. Defense through inaction, "live and let live" wishful thinking, and sitting on hands only brings on more of this horseshit and spews it out just like a no bail catch and release policy for the repeat offender who commits 60-140 infractions and crimes annually.
I too have concerns over the implications of free speech. Firing folks who glorify murder is not one of them though. Free speech protections relate to government abridgement thereof, not private to any private employer. I think we deserve to know which teachers, doctors and other health-swrvice providers, EMTs, soldiers, police and others disavow the rule of law. After all prior to this tragedy we saw pro-folks we now refer to as Palestinians doctors and other health service providers posting things that called into question their ability to provide care to Jews.
Freedom of speech, like due process, freedom of religion, freedom.of assembly, are useless if they have no universally accepted definition. The feelz folk demonstrate why. We sorely need meaningful instruction in civil rights, privileges, immunities and exceptions.
No. It has strengthened my already substantial concerns regarding health service personnel. And in a way for the same reason - I simply cannot trust folk who believe without question what they are told to provide quality care.
Let them speak! But firing those same retards, especially those retards that have interaction with the general public, is a as just as anything can be. I have no problem with it. They tend to then speak more, and label themselves forever.
We have the freedom to say whatever we want and not be imprisoned for it, but we do not have some right to avoid all natural consequences, including social.
And that goes for both sides. Many in the center and on the right spoke truth with a knowledge of the social consequences and they willingly sacrificed their own careers and reputations to speak truth. But it was spoken. It was heard. And I believe God will restore tenfold what they lost while punish those who spoke the lies to the same degree. The point is both were free to speak.
I am for all free speech, no matter how heinous. If someone is hormoned up playing a furry or a madman sitting on a train, they already had a predilection for violence. They also do not have the Holy Spirit in them and that is the bigger issue. This trans furry hated Christians so there you go.
Do people who HATE Israel and blame them for everything really have the Holy Spirit? Israel is now being blamed, in this substack, for Charlie’s death.
Didn't I read on this very site just a few days back that the Bluesky people were being foolish for saying Speech is violence? What a difference a day and one killing makes. Now everyone is ready to silence anyone who says something disgusting or violent.
Colin Kaepernick silenced by the NFL for his beliefs, James Gunn for remarks made years before but since rehired, Kevin Hart for comments about homosexuals was removed from hosting Academy Awards, Kanye West for his silly remarks about Hitler, JK Rowling for comments on Transgenders, Roseann Barr lost her eponymous show for comments she made. Words have meaning, absolutely, but you have a mind and are capable of ignoring them or speaking against words you don't like. If your goal is to prevent all negative events that occur because of someone else's words, you have a tough job ahead of you. Countering bigotted, violent speech with reason, showing people where they are wrong, while not always effective for everyone, still provides open dialogue rather than sending it to dark sites that continue the discussion without counter arguments. I want to know who my enemies are, not hidden. When Kimmel and Colbert were pushing the jabs, I was grateful for access to those who told me (with evidence) about the negative effects, though moneyed interests sure tried to stop that information. Asking gov't to censor could lead to only one side getting to you--the side they want you to believe.
Let them talk. But it’s not without consequences. If you go up to your boss and tell her you would like nothing more than to ravish her on her desk, shes entitled to fire you. Or rock your world. Point is, free speech means we can’t and never should outlaw it. But it can be costly. Why should that be an issue?
Agreed. But cancelling, as Rep. Clay Higgins wants is psychotic. He wants to prevent you from ever making a living, driving a car, exiling to a world where you can't exist literally. His stupid idea would create people with NOTHING to lose by committing real violence.
No, we are not free speech advocates. Anyone who advocates Satanic or anti-Christian ideas should be punished.
Do you really still believe in free speech after watching previously pro-speech leftists deplatform and censor everyone on the right? "Free speech" is their mode of attack when they are weak. And then when they are strong there is no free speech.
You are either a leftist troll or a complete moron. In the real world there is no free speech; there is only the choice of which speech codes are going to get enforced.
WHA? Can you imagine a gov't stating your ideas about a particular vaccine are satanic? Yes, it was Satan that made you say that Covid25 shots are bad and no one should take them. YOU must be punished. Clearly, your medical beliefs are anti-Christian. Lock 'em up. Be careful what you wish for.
Grateful that Jeff Childers' pointed out the astroturfed "both sides" narrative that President Trump rightly rejected. However he didn't mention that two of the worst offenders were phony red-state conservatives including Utah Gov. Cox and Oklahomo Senator Lankford. Both of these despicable turds trotted out the "both sides need to tone down the rhetoric" garbage on Sunday. Alabama Senator Katie Britt (our own DEI hire) did the same a few days earlier but has since retreated with her tail between her legs.
These people are at best cowardly controlled opposition, likely something much, much worse. Cox has pronouns in his bio and vetoed legislation forbidding men in women's sports. Lankford we all remember from the phony border bill McConnel tried to push through but was thankfully stopped by public outrage.
The purpose of these people is to appear to be the "reasonable" Republican while selling us out. Lankford is the absolute worst, a moralizing, phony Christian who continuously tells us it's God's will that our communities be destroyed by an invasion of criminal illegal aliens and low-IQ, unemployable, third-world peasants. He is a master of manipulating decent Christians through guilt.
People better wake up and realize just how they are being emotionally manipulated into participating in their own destruction.
I guess I wasn't clear enough, Cox, Lankford, and Britt are all Republicans elected by large majorities in red states. That's the problem. We all know Democrats are insane.
We need to clean up the garbage on our own side. Having a RINO from a blue state is one thing, but these people are from Utah, Oklahoma, and Alabama. Even Susan Collins knew better than to spout this stuff. Our side has been infiltrated.
I wonder if Cox is waking up, and starting to see the truth. If not then yeah, he’s just playing the same game. It’s really hard to tell. But it’s always possible he was rattled awake?? Idk…
I don't think so, he has a long history of deceitfulness including how he got the nomination in the first place. Mormons, for all their positive character traits, are far too trusting of those claiming to be in their clan. Many Christians share the same fault.
The only one who deserves a benefit of the doubt IMO is Britt. She's an airhead who's in over her head and went out and mouthed the usual "can't we all get along" platitudes. The base was in no mood for it and she's kept her mouth shut since. Hopefully she learned a lesson.
Senator Shelby hand picked Britt. He couldn’t get elected in Alabama as a Democrat so he changed parties. Many democrats in Al wear red, think blue and vote blue.
And pray for churches across America. We have too many pastors misleading their sheep, false prophets. I watch clips of the beautiful remembrance services conducted yesterday and break down in tears because the church I chose to attend in Austin, TX yesterday did not deliver that at all, and I felt robbed of the mourning time I really needed with fellow Christians. I was surrounded by a cold and heartless congregation that couldn’t care less and treated the service and the day like it was any other insignificant Sunday of the year. Out of the 400-600 people there, I was the only one crying. The pastor chose to criticize Charlie for using an unkind tone when he spoke and then warned that the answer to that was not violence. (I gasped and said out loud “no he didn’t!”) Then he proceeded to give a sermon that amounted to shaming anyone with anger over this and what the proper way to “fight”looked like. The sermon was wrapped in enough truth that my son was confused by my despair when we left, and my description that it was “empty”. I felt so alone in that church yesterday and then this morning I see videos of what other churches did and it was the exact loving response I yearned for yesterday and needed this weekend. Maybe my experience was necessary so that I’d highlight and warn about these false prophets and lost, liberal pastors that are misleading their flock? So that we all remain aware there were a LOT of churches that did NOT offer their congregations a chance to mourn or pray for Charlie’s family? It’s sick.
We need to pray for these pastors and their churches. We need to pray that their congregations wake up.
There is a simple solution to this: if it's possible, start looking for a church that aligns more with what you believe. If that means driving a bit farther one day a week, it's worth it.
Yes we thought that’s what we were doing. Their statement of faith aligned but their actions did not. You don’t realize these things until you go in person.
Thank you for bringing this up--I share your feeling of despair, as Charlie Kirk's name was not mentioned once (directly or even indirectly) at my church this weekend. I could not believe it--I am just feeling abolute shock, disgust, and despair. It helps me to know that someone else experienced the same (if that makes sense). I am at a loss.
A dear friend of mine in our community here commented that it was good that it happened because now we know for my son to stay clear of that church, to see it was a dead church. Not empty of bodies, dead in spirit. That Charlie’s death was a great litmus test to expose those kinds of churches. She’s a wise friend.
Mine has a "policy" of no "political" commentary from the pulpit. I understand that position in a general sense, but was similarly saddened by a very general opening comment about the "events of last week."
It’s a terrible policy. Speak to what your congregation is struggling with, political or not. Separation of church and state was to keep the state out of the church, not the church out of the state.
Churches in America (generally speaking) have gone soft. The result is no 10 Commandments in schools, secular humanism, Darwinism, breakdown of morals and the family, transgenderism and homosexuality, lawlessness, and more. What good are churches if they don’t take a stance in the public square? What the churches have done is allowed evil to fill the void they left. I blame the pastors.
I love what our priest said yesterday in his homily. He kept his remarks very brief, beginning by saying there’s a lot of evil and violence in our world (indisputably). But then he said that Charlie Kirk had brought many, many people, and mostly young people, to know Jesus. And for that we need to continue the work Charlie began.
Find another church. One where the pastor is a shepherd warning and protecting his flock of the dangers in the world and teach the sheep how to speak the truth in love (like Charlie).
Sorry to hear please find another church there are some great ones online to watch in the meantime check out pastor Gary Hamrick cornerstone Christian and pastor Jack Hibbs maybe start your own church by renting out a building space on Sundays and show one of the above services online and grow your own community that way?
Might be time to find another church. I attended a biblical church on Sunday. The elder prayed for Charlie Kirk, his family, those hurting, aborted babies and the world. I think I've found a new home. Thanks, Charlie!
The reviews for it were good and said everything my young 20-something son was looking for. Of course many liberal, politically correct churches are LOVED by their congregation and they review them accordingly.
He desires to find an active young adult community because he is alone out here and unconnected. I heard the desperation in his voice when he said “mom it doesn’t matter what the pastor said, give these people credit to have a mind of their own”. He doesn’t understand the importance of church leadership yet, or how it influences the flock. Maybe he’s right in some aspects but I think what I saw Sunday was enough to be concerned for how he would be led. I could be wrong, but I am advising him to keep looking.
"Kirk’s life work was built on the idea that violence happens when people stop talking. He was relentless about creating spaces for conversation — not just with those who agreed with him, but with those who disagreed most fiercely. He gave everyone a chance to speak: all ideas, all faiths, all backgrounds were welcome. While so many voices in politics thrive on shutting opponents down, Kirk insisted on the opposite: sit down and talk it through. Debate. Challenge. Use words, not fists."
I have been advocating for P.S.Ds. (Presidential Sponsored Debates). In my view, the single best way President Trump can honor Charlie Kirk is to establish monthly P.S.Ds. where all the issues are talked about.
The radical left is afraid of rational debate. As part of the panel debating, if it could be done respectfully, I would advocate for an AI version of Mr. Kirk to, using his words, advocate for those positions he so competently supported.
Topics would be wide-ranging, covering all germane issues:
* Global Warming
* Vaccines - Health care
* Individual Liberty and God-given rights
* Transgender issues
* Free Speech
* Foreign relations
* Immigration
* Toxic Masculinity
* Education
* Crime and Culture
* Lawfare and the legal system
* Happiness (What culture ideals make for lasting happiness vs. temporary happiness ending in misery)
There are many reasons for caution with AI, and there are many potential excellent uses as well. There is no doubt it is coming, and some folk with true morality had best become very proficient at both AI, and detecting AI misuse.
I hesitated to place that in my comment, however the temptation to have Charlie Kirk's calm articulate and cogent words instantly available and spoken to an international audience, (PSDs would be watched around the world) is to great to resist, and the inane crazies may well melt on the spot.
Some think he went off the reservation recently with his comments about Gaza and Oct 7. They think he was martyred to keep him quiet by the enemies of free speech.
Think the "cult" that wants to outlaw antisemitism.
I read it. Very well explained. Except for the part when they absolutely state who killed Charlie and why. Sorry, but they only know what the FBI has said and done, and released publicly. And we all know the FBI are transparent and completely trustworthy. 🙄
Oh I think it can change….but I doubt we are there yet. And no….i don’t think they deserve to be 100% believed about everything at this point. Unfortunately new leadership has to undo a criminal leadership and put up with our distrust until they prove otherwise. So far I don’t see much difference between this shooter and Trumps shooter. Same quickness. Same unanswered questions and doubtful explanations. And then just as quickly it all disappeared. Why do we automatically trust what they say now. 🤔
Trump was a candidate when shot. The FBI was completely captured at that point. It was the Demonrat’s FBI. Now there’s different leadership, and while I certainly agree that there are still plenty of bad actors to be removed, I believe it’s better now, with the potential for becoming much better.
Sunndaze, please read a little deeper, as, afaik, Sundance (the authors pen name) has written deeply about the many connections to ANTIFA' - TRANTIFA, etc, and is well aware that he likely was more then just influenced, but had active plotters as well. Please quote your concerned point. (Ha Charlie often demanded to be quoted directly and in context.)
I read it just fine. I’m only pointing out the distrust of the fbi. For good reason. I’m very well aware of Antifa and this whole trans demonic activity and the influence it has over our young people. I think we have some of what went on, but not all. There are valid points to raise questions about who was actually involved. Not one of us knows for sure at this point. And we may never. JFK and 9/11 prove that. Just because a world leader says something….sorry. That isn’t sufficient for me to just believe it. Those days are over. Politicians lie. And quite easily and regularly. I’ve heard enough out of the mouths (Albeit online 🙄) to question everything. Knowing full well my opinion most likely isn’t correct either. I think if we actually get the whole truth and nothing but the truth -we’d find out nobody was 100% right. The truth would probably shock us all.
I was responding to this..."Except for the part when they absolutely state who killed Charlie and why" as I do not know what was stated that intimated the author had the entire answer?
Clearly I was responding to the idea that some Jewish group assinated Charlie Kirk because he did not 100 percent support every act of the Jewish government. Did you read the linked article?
Enough. The entire incident seems fishy to me. As always, time will tell. We all know who assassinated Kennedy, but officialdom will never admit it. We will eventually all agree to what the truth is. I accept I may be wrong. But my belief is the enemy of humanity is behind this event.
For any Israel haters on here; maybe none are paid subscribers- but just in case- who have actually tried to use Charlie in their antisemitic attacks after his death; here is Charlie himself, so just stop that ghoulish nonsense!https://www.israelunwired.com/the-speech-about-israel-that-everyone-needs-to-hear/ I’ll be posting this again tomorrow and everytime the Jew haters try to use Charlie.
Our church was very full Sunday and our pastor had taken 10 minutes to discuss Charlie’s assassination and martyrdom. He encouraged all yo be like him and participate in local revival. It was great!
Our pastor said the same! And our church was full as well! The other thing our Pastor said was that God even uses tragedy for His triumph. Charlie most certainly did not die in vain! Bless God, for He is moving and doing even in the dark days.
My struggle, I realized over the weekend, with Charlie Kirk’s murder is this: there’s no single culprit. The blame spreads across the left—their rhetoric lit the fuse, their culture fed the madness. Yet without one face to indict, they all dodge: “wasn’t me!” They skate free, self-righteous. Meanwhile, the sickness rots on. The roots must be ripped out. And there must be a reckoning—not optional, but a moral imperative.
But where do you start when the guilty all hide in the crowd? How does anyone get held accountable? Yes, there’s some grim satisfaction in watching their sick adherents cancel their own careers, fired for gloating over the murder. But even that rings hollow—many of those fools were just as brainwashed by the same propaganda as the shooter. Where’s the justice in punishing pawns while the real architects walk away clean?
I’ve been struggling with this since his murder—traumatized by the images, consumed with fury at the source of this insanity. Is this our new America?
Bernie is just a dotty old man, however he identifies himself politically. The Dims have screwed him repeatedly and he just takes it in exchange for the coin. The absurdity of him flying around the country on private jets with AOC .....
the first one is a fanatic-do you see his eyes and gestures when he gets riled. last 2 are fine, they jumped shipped knowing they were on the titanic. Why is anyone else staying in that rot of a party, only Satan knows. I will give Fetterman some leeway as he seems to be somewhat reasonable.
Many are operating on outdated beliefs of the party.
"They're for the little guy."
"They're pro-worker"
"They care more about people"
And so on.
These beliefs are outdated, but... you can't reason with people, especially those who are not religious. Their political identity is their religion, and even if what they believe about their party is untrue, it doesn't matter. It's their faith
There was another that left the Democrat party I just cannot remember his name. Something Van Drew, or Drew Van something. Help me out… Anyone remember his name?
Annnnd, when will the "retribution" crime spree start? The "free speech" advocates that were "unfairly" fired from their jobs for celebrating the MURDER of Charlie Kirk taking revenge and "becoming a god".
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I am still immensely saddened by Charlie’s death. Not angry, but sad. I am saddened that our government has quickly crafted a narrative meant to promote all that social media is and has been advocating with every new political death. This follows a predictable pattern, and with every new discovery, I see the same thing. The Charlie Kirk alleged shooter and his story is so full of holes it could be made of Swiss cheese and yet we ignore the obvious as a new clue is dropped. Trans partner, manifesto, radicalized. We know so much about this kid and yet nothing about the attempted Presidential assassin , Crooks. And yet so many glaring questions remain that are glossed over. I don’t want to hear another assumption that anyone, even a novice could make that kill shot from that distance. A gun not easily disassembled was done so in minutes then put back together. Photos that do not match and so on and so on.
Most on here do not remember the JFK assassination or the MLK killing. They are eerily similar to this latest using modern technologies but the playbook hasn’t changed.
Charlie wasn’t killed for his faith or even his political views. He was assassinated because he was reaching the youth with a message of hope that they could do good and even great things in this country. That they could save this teetering Nation. Can’t have that.
The point was to create more chaos. The right outraged and the left being fed hate constantly. There was a tipping point, not a turning point. Would we demand Justice or Vengeance, or go strangely quiet? Either way, Marxism and authoritarianism win. The excuse would be made to control, either by military force or slow degradation. The point was to make the 20 somethings lose all hope and then submit. We have seen what a government in control, (Jan 6), can unleash when it is set up for them. Our rights were destroyed then.
But God is in control, of that I am sure. If this can be turned around for His Glory, I pray that happens. I pray we raise up 10000 and more Charlie’s.
My husband and I just discussed the shot. Perhaps Robinson was not aware that Charlie Kirk was wearing a bulletproof vest and actually made a poor shot aiming for his chest, but as has been reported, the bullet bounced off the vest straps into his neck.
While I can believe the young man detained was capable, held a grudge, and even would have shot Charlie himself, I have always thought that the reaction of Charlies body to the impact wasn't consistent with getting hit by a .30-06 round at that range.
This, which I saw earlier today on X seems more likely to me, but I have no idea whether genuine or fake?
I have contended from the beginning, they focused on one building from which the shot was supposedly fired. While I have no idea if this video is real, it is as likely as any other, especially the angle and the way Charlie was hit. It would make as much sense as a long range sniper. I believe this was a professional hit, planned well in advance, and the kid was a patsy.
What is troubling is the narrative the FBI is putting out and the msm is running with.
I had and have so many questions these past days and I’m still waiting for answers that satisfy a non-profession investigator. I am only a Mother who ‘investigated’ many activities of my kiddos and got to the bottom quicker than you could blink an eye. (Except for one)…our oldest had left after graduation for the Air Force and in cleaning up/out his room, I found his 9th grade Algebra tests marked F stuffed between the mattress springs and mattress plus the “lost” algebra book I paid for in order for him to pass the class. Yes, I ‘collected’ the money from him by giving him the book for his Christmas gift.
I realize there are many deep roots of this and many horrible events that have happened these past few weeks and need to be investigated in methodical, careful ways. So, I am trusting and waiting for answers.
Hunters, who actually use such guns, are actually saying that TR absolutely could have made that shot and handled the gun as is described from the video evidence.
My husband and two sons are hunters and I never said at that range someone with hunting experience could not have made the shot. We have spent four days arguing this one point. But was this actually where the shot was fired? I doubt more and more, especially with all the bits and pieces spilling out, that just don’t go together.
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
I think that this kid could have made the shot. It’s kind of the same way it was a miracle President Trump turned his head. A millimeter ,a fraction of a second.. is it chance or God’s will? Everything just lined up for this one in a million shot.
I think that this kid could have made the shot. It’s kind of the same way it was a miracle President Trump turned his head. A millimeter ,a fraction of a second.. is it chance or God’s will? Everything just lined up for this one in a million shot.
In that location, sure the kid could have, but we have a scenario set up, with conflicting theories. Was the shooter really on the rooftop? How did a kid with no knowledge of this campus find the exact building with the perfect site line. Video of a suspicious looking guy dressed in dark colors limping up the stairs and no one is suspicious? The whole gun thing is weird, shell casings, and a trans roommate. Seeming hand signals from behind Kirk, and the shot when asking about trannys and guns. Too many coincidences.
When JFK was shot I was a kid, but I remember it vividly. I watched on black and white tv when Oswald was shot at point blank range by Jack Ruby. The Zapruder film was not released until years later. I was in college when the Warren Commission came out. Even then I never believed it was one shooter. Too many people died who knew about or investigated the assassination. It memory holed in the history books as more crisis arrived. But we know our government was aware and kept it buried. I fear this is the same.
We don’t know that the Crooks kid was the one who fired the shot at President Trump either. That’s what they want us to think when the assassination didn’t happen.
Jeff…..the left is in freefall panic.
They don’t know how to get away from of Kirk’s murder being associated to them and that’s now been galvanized a thousand times over by all the cheering from the left over this young mans assassination in front of his wife, 2 children and 3,000 college students. My guess is that there's no return for the Democrats. It will end up being a impotent political echo chamber for the mentally ill, left wing talking heads and celebrities.
This piece from Robert Sterling lays it out perfectly:
My liberal friends are completely oblivious about how radicalizing the last week has been for tens of millions of normal Americans. Zero clue.
I’m not talking about people who are 'online'; I mean regular, everyday Americans. 'Normies.' People who scroll through Facebook posts and Instagram reels from the Dutch Bros drive thru line. Political moderates who have water cooler chats about Patrick Mahomes touchdowns and Bon Jovi concerts, not Twitter threads or Rachel Maddow monologues.
Millions of them. Tens of millions. They’re logging on, they’re engaging, and they’re furious.
And I’ll be candid: They blame you guys. They blame the left.
Regardless of whether you believe it to be justified, they think you’re the bad guys here. And they are reacting accordingly.
I can already hear some of you racing toward the comments to start screeching in moral indignation, so I’m going to be blunt: Shut up and listen to what I’m telling you. Your movement will lose any semblance of relevance if you don’t develop some small measure of self-awareness, and—absent someone force-feeding you bitter medicine—you guys collectively lack the humility to do this on your own.
Here are the facts:
Fact 1. Tens of millions of Americans started the week seeing a 23-year-old blonde woman—a young woman in whom virtually every parent watching pictured their own daughter—stabbed in the neck by a career criminal. These people then found out the murderer had been released from jail 14 times over.
Fact 2. Two days later, tens of millions of Americans watched a video of Charlie Kirk get murdered speaking to college students. Millions of these people knew who Charlie was; millions of them didn’t. Upon seeing the video, however, these normal Americans from across the land and across the political spectrum agreed that he was the victim of a terrible, fundamentally unjustifiable crime, and their hearts broke in sympathy for his family. Good people who had never even heard the name Charlie Kirk before wept.
Fact 3. Immediately after seeing the footage of a peaceful young man get shot in the neck, these same people logged onto Facebook and Instagram (remember, we are talking about regular Americans, not perpetually online Twitter or BlueSky users) and saw some of their local nurses, school teachers, college administrators, and retail workers celebrating this horrific crime. Not just defending it, but cheering it.
These are all facts. You may not like the implications of these facts, and we can certainly debate the underlying causes thereof, but, indisputably, they are nevertheless factual statements.
Here’s what it means for you, my liberal friends who are reading this:
These normal, middle-of-the-road, non-political citizens just become politically active. They realized that politics cares about them, even if they don’t particularly care about politics. After watching Iryna Zarutska and Charlie Kirk both bleed out from the neck, they think their lives and the physical safety of their families—the bedrock of human society, the foundation of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs—depend on political activation, whether they desire it or not.
These people are now racing—not jogging, not walking, but sprinting—to the right. Because they blame you guys for everything that just happened.
When they see footage of Decarlos Brown stabbing a Ukrainian refugee to death, they don’t see just one demon-possessed man. They picture every university administrator, HR bureaucrat, and DEI apparatchik that ever lectured them about systemic racism, the “carceral state,” or the need to release violent crime suspects without bail in the name of 'social justice.'
They then think back to conversations they’ve had with their cop friends—their buddy from high school who quit the force after getting tired of being called a racist, their friend at the local YMCA who vents about having to release career criminals because prosecutors aren’t willing to file charges—and they realize everything the left has told them over the last 10 years has been utter bullshit.
And they blame you. Because, even if you count yourself as a moderate Democrat, your party supported the district attorneys, city council members, and mayors that let fictitious concerns about mental health and racial justice supersede very real concerns for their family’s safety.
When these Americans see blood erupt from the side of Charlie Kirk’s neck, they don’t see just a martyred political activist. They think of every extreme leftist they’ve ever met who (1) calls anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton a fascist and (2) constantly jokes—'jokes—about punching Nazis and bashing the fash.' Told they are bigots, racists, misogynists, and Hitler.
They realize that there really do exist people who wish to see them dead for their moderate political beliefs, their Christian faith, and even the color of their skin. They ask themselves if the violence visited upon Charlie might one day show up on their own doorstep.
And they blame you. Because, even if you’re just a center-of-the-road liberal, you lacked the courage to police your own ranks. You let modern-day radicals run loose across every facet of society, and what started with social-media struggle sessions has now turned to 30-06 bullet rounds.
When these Americans log onto social media and see their neighbors justifying, celebrating, glorifying murder, they realize that some who walk among them are soulless ghouls at best, literally demon-possessed at worst. These people—whether they faithfully attend church every Sunday or only attend with relatives once a year, on Christmas Eve—start talking about things like spiritual warfare. They implicitly understand that no normal human casually celebrates the mortal demise of a peaceful person.
And they blame you. Because, even if you condemned Charlie Kirk’s murder, they probably haven’t seen you condemn those in your own movement who cheered it on. They view you as complicit in allowing heartless fellow travelers to celebrate death, and it repulses them.
For all of these situations, what has your response been? Nothing but silence or virtue signaling bullshit.
In response to Iryna Zarutska bleeding out on the floor of a train, you post bullshit statistics about reductions in reported crime, when everyone who’s ever been to a major urban center in the last decade knows that actual crime has skyrocketed, only for victims not to waste their time reporting it to cops that don’t have the manpower to respond and prosecutors that seek to downgrade as many felonies as possible to misdemeanor citations. There's not a single person that you know that feels safer today than they did 10-20 years ago no matter what kind of gorilla statistics that are performed. Not one.
In response to a 31-year-old man taking a bullet to the neck in front of his wife, 2 small children and 3,000 college students, you post nothing but bullshit whataboutism.
“What about January 6th?” (Honest answer: After you let Liz Cheney spend two years operating a star chamber in the House, combined with countless other failed attempts at “lawfare” against Trump, no one cares anymore.)
“What about Mike Lee making a dumb joke on Twitter about some guy in a mask in Minnesota?” (No one outside of Utah, DC, or Twitter knows who Mike Lee even is.)
“What about Paul Pelosi?” (That’s not comparable to Charlie Kirk getting shot, and we all know it. And, again, Paul who?)
“What about regulations on assault rifles?” (That’s not going to get you very far when one of these killers used a knife and the other one used a common hunting rifle.)
In response to teachers, healthcare workers, and thousands of other liberals cheering on Charlie’s murder, it’s nothing but more bullshit and misdirection.
“It’s not THAT many people celebrating!” (Yes, it is. Everyone has seen it on their Facebook, BlueSky, Twitter and Instagram feeds.)
“I thought you guys didn’t support cancel culture.” (We don’t cancel people over their opinions; we’re more than happy to see people lose their jobs—especially their taxpayer-funded jobs—for actively cheering on a murder though. If you can’t see the difference, that’s your own shortcoming.)
All bullshit. Not even smart bullshit, but stale, mid-grade, low-IQ bullshit. Ordinary Americans see right through it.
You probably don’t like hearing this. But you need to hear it.
The ranks of Charlie Kirks political movement gained millions of righteously angry new members this week. They will insist on a mandate to ensure these crimes never happen again, and that’s exactly what they are now going to do.
If you want to keep a seat at the table and we hope that you do, it starts with honesty, accountability, repentance & atonement. Only then can we restart the conversation.
You don't hate the media enough - you think you do, but you don't. https://x.com/Evans_Wroten
I saw his post yesterday and loved it so much I quoted him in my own replies. He said so many things so well. I’m glad you shared it in its entirety here.
It is eloquent Juju but how many lefties do you think will read it or take it to heart? My guess, zero.
I thought it sounded overly optimistic. But then, I've been a cynic my whole life, for good reason. Jeff presents an alternative optimism, sorely needed.
Optimism is a good thing. You can still be a cynic and find things to be optimistic about in everyday life!
A significant number of Democrats are walking away in disgust. It's hard to know how many yet, but if it's 1 out of 50 going independent or Republican, and maybe 1 out of 10 independents going Republican and 1 out of 10 Republicans vowing to get much more involved in politics, that could be huge.
Hope and crossed fingers.
Yes & this is the way forward hopefully.
That people with or around the Democrats now can’t avoid SEEING how nihilistic & EVIL their agenda is & will walk away from them. In droves.
Exactly what I posted when I read it online, too. They aren't reading it. They don't care. They just want us dead. Period.
Some “normies” who have voted Democrat but haven’t been paying attention to the radicalization of a portion of the party have taken notice and been disgusted enough by these kinds of comments to walk away.
I agree. Most are not reading it. But it helped me so much to read this. Sometimes the whining and blaming from the other side gets in my head. This galvanized my thinking. It helped me remember that we ARE right and they are wrong. And they didn't just get this one thing wrong.
…..this short video helped me immensely get over the horror of the assignation…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=azE7nqqQMmo
It should be posted to BlueSky, that’s where all these losers hang out.
That was my thought. Maybe there are leftists here, but I doubt it. Maybe post the link to this comment on X?
Yes Lori, mental illness like drug addiction is very difficult to overcome, especially when they don’t know they’re sick. Democrats…
C&C now censoring disagreements by burying them.
Hence placing a comment under the most popular.
This C&C parrots the "we got him" narrative but does not mention
the plethora of evidence suggesting that the patsy could not be CK's killer.
That begs the question of who done it? Not going to step into that quagmire however
the preponderance of evidence is that "we" are being lied to again...
C&C is not censoring anyone AFAICT. It's how comment sections work all over the Internet. If people like your comment, they up-vote it, and the ones with the most votes end up at the top. If your comment is not at the top, it's because the readers didn't find it worthy of upvoting. Calling that censorship is absurd.
If having a low-upvote comment bothers you, you could try to write more interesting comments. Leeching off a popular comment that someone else made on an entirely different point is kinda cheap, and it's bad form IMO.
It's just a fact - if you want your comment to be seen on this substack, you HAVE to make a comment soon after it's live. If you don't get on soon, your best hope is to respond to the highest rated comment that's somewhat related to what you want to say.
Sure. It's a judgment call as to what constitutes "somewhat related", and I'm not inclined to weigh in on that. But this comment began with the assertion that C&C is censoring comments by burying them (which is prima facie an assertion of intentionality), and it gave THAT as the reason for posting the comment in this thread. That's the only reason I jumped in. The original commenter is downplaying it, but I saw it as an accusation, and I didn't want to let it go without comment.
the intentionality is patently obvious
"Janet" totally coopted the comment section by posting Scipture.
There were no comments whatsoever, just folks weighing in with more
believer agreements. Why did she not simply start a Scripture of the Day sub
instead of co-opting the comment section? Do not even attempt a reply.
You think your contribution relevant, it is not.
The issue that is A MILLION TIMES more significant is the pathetic C&C parroting the narrative about CK's shooter...
Jump off not in.
It is a fact, one lost on most including ML. He likes irrelevant tangents and assessing motives. Lets hope one day he gets a base hit.
No, that is not true despite you assessment. Your comment about low vote is actually stupid. Not leaching simple, beating the algorhythm.
You downplay your effectiveness by denigrating others. Makes you.look like a psyop plant here to try and spread dissension..
the issue is parroting an obviously flawed narrative!!!
That is the issue genius
Sorry if I triggered you. No need to resort to name-calling. FWIW, I didn't comment on your suggestion about the narrative, just your assertion that you're being censored. Given the execrable censorship regime we've been living in and only starting to escape, I think it's important to use that word properly. So that's the issue I chose to comment on.
No apology necessary. This a public forum. You missed the salient point and deflected to something irrelevant. Pay attention to that FACT.
Truth Seeker,
Not.
another word smith, what else ya got?
the issue is the pathetic assessment today published...
That is the issue, that is the issue.
your comment is trained wishful thinking but not accurate
No one is attempting to stop your public disclosure of inaccurate assessment. Do continue.
The current narrative does seem to be suspicious. How odd that this person also had an engraving set and took the time to engrave the bullets just like the person who killed the insurance CEO allegedly did. I don’t do social media so maybe I’ve missed something.
Interestingly, I read that some people called out the event as being faked - and the media did their usual “misinformation, conspiracy, fact-checking” spiel. When they did it before it was to cover up the truth about Covid. Why are they doing it now? When they do that, I automatically think they are lying. NOTE: I READ ABOUT THIS, IT DOES NOT MEAN I BELIEVE IT. Caps for emphasis only.
I also read that shortly after the event, Elon’s AI persona Grok also confirmed Charlie was fine and well and it was basically theatre. The media erupted by saying Grok was spewing out misinformation. How could this golden boy AI be wrong? Lots of things don’t add up here. I think discernment is key.
Another thing I don’t understand about today’s post…. “pessimistic worldview convinced that society is irredeemable and inevitably headed for collapse or catastrophe.”… What is the rapture if this present dark world can be redeemed?
God bless Jeff for his tireless work.
Not just suspicious, alot worse. No idea about AI, except to say there is very good reason not to trust or use it. If a restaurant is as good as its last meal, this one is pure barf. That disclosed, lets return to accurate assessments.
As mentioned the shell casing "carvings" (that are virtually impossible) is a huge tell that it is pure BS not Suspicious...
JC knows this, so what TF is he spewing???
Have you seen pics of the engravings? Machine work or something scratched with an easily available diamond pen?
What is your point about the weapon?
Have you been on the roof to check sight lines?
NO, have not, and do not go foolishly down that rabbit hole.
Pointing out how absolutely ridiculous the tell. Do re-read 9x...
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
I thought he hit the vest with a low shot which ricocheted to the neck. I cannot keep up.
Question everything!
All you have to do is sort comments by time instead of top first.
This is a personal problem and not someone else's fault.
Jon Rappoport has what it takes to accurately assess the CK assassination story line:
"It keeps rolling. The wheels turn.
People make the wheels turn.
Who cares about evidence? Read my prior piece about evidence here.
If a high-profile figure were killed and a right-wing suspect were taken into custody, big conservative news outlets would be all over the evidence—looking for holes, claiming fraud.
But in this case, it’s a done deal. No need to dig beneath the surface. Tyler Robinson was on the roof, he fired the fatal bullet, he confessed to his father, he was living with a tranny, it’s Trantifa, he belongs to a murderous cult, cops found the rifle, he’s in jail under Special Watch in case he tries to kill himself…
On it rolls.
Robinson hasn’t confessed, he isn’t cooperating with the cops or the FBI, which just proves he’s stubborn and has no regrets about what he did, it has nothing to do with possible innocence. Of course not.
He couldn’t possibly be innocent, because he’s guilty.
He hated Charlie Kirk, so he killed him. He couldn’t hate Kirk and not kill him.
To consider the possibility that Robinson is innocent is to defile the memory of Charlie Kirk. Uh-huh.
How could someone oppose transgenderism and NOT call Robinson guilty? Blah-blah.
Could Tyler Robinson be a Lee Oswald? Don’t be ridiculous. In the JFK case, we know the rifle was a pathetic excuse for a murder weapon. Here, in Utah, the rifle was…
Yes? The rifle was what?
Forget about the rifle. Robinson is guilty.
Like Osama bin Laden was guilty of masterminding September 11th?..."
IiI I. I
really?? where EXACTLY IS THAT SETTNG?? Have searche, it is NOT obvious.
Not using the "fault" word. Suggesting its a design... Huge difference.
The assassination of Charlie Kirk has woken a sleeping giant . This is the “ Turning Point” . It is a battle between good & evil. Those who cheer the senseless murder of a good man are evil.
“You can tell a lot about a person by how they react when someone dies.”
Charlie Kirk
My mom always said what you say about someone says more about you than the other person.
so true.
In poker there are "tells" that alert knowing players someone is bluffing.
In media the tell is overt non sensical labeling exactly like this:
"ANTIFA phrases carved onto the bullet casings calling Charlie a “fascist” and “Bella ciao”, I think it’s safe to assume Robinson had some ANTIFA influence."
It takes a special kind of stupid to believe that some confused nutjob is Carving bullet casings. Really that is so exceptionally stupid that it takes real sophomores to drink this kool aid...
There are definitely more questions than answers.
There are several videos showing the gunman wearing different clothes. WHY did he change clothes?
There is video evidence of him climbing stairs, WHERE is the gun?
There is video footage of him jumping off the roof
WHERE is the gun?
There are reports of him disassembling the gun after shooting. WHEN did he have time to disassemble the gun ?
The gun found was fully assembled? WHY ?
This looks like a distraction (PATSY) to me .
Of course, the preponderance of evidence strongly suggest WE are being lied to again. There are dozens of details. Very very odd that Childer's simply parrots the prevailing narrative.
As you corrently point out no assassin is going to disassemble a complex firearm, leap down a roof showing no evidence he carried anything, make it to another location, reassemble it, and leave. Thinking that possible is requires freshman mental acuity.
I just questioned this in a post above.
Excellent as that is accountability.
Not having It would also be a good Sub handle.
C&C now censoring disagreements by burying them.
Hence placing a comment under the most popular.
This C&C parrots the "we got him" narrative but does not mention
the plethora of evidence suggesting that the patsy could not be CK's killer.
That begs the question of who done it? Not going to step into that quagmire however
the preponderance of evidence is that "we" are being lied to again...
I would like to believe comments are not being buried, so I will continue with that assumption.
However, there are questions that require answers.
Here’s a question:
The alleged Killer broke down the rifle, scurried down the roof (nobody disagrees with this), then dropped a fully assembled rifle wrapped in a towel. Why would that action ever occur and for what reason?
Does anyone else find it curious that only one shot was fired?
Lets just add ONE more. This kid hit a 1 inch target at 200 yards.
The redefines marksmanship. The factors that must be included are several and extremely complex. This kid is a patsy. There are many many more impossibilities. JC knows this. Why then parrot the narrative????
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
PS one shot was heard. Professionals use silencers.
It is much much worse than your analysis, one that had not considered.
JC knows this. Not going to opine on whether this disturbed fool shot or not...
I didn’t know that… thanks
Were any other fragments found at the scene?
Apparently they haven’t found the bullet? I know the government cannot always tell us the truth. I hope they know and just can’t tell us. Just like all the others 😕
you may consider reading a dozen prominent assessments,
hence the criticism of this C&C pathetic synopsis.
No, it doesn't "beg the question"; that's another term for circular reasoning.
It might _raise_ the question or _invite_ the question or even _ask_ the question, but it doesn't beg it.
you are splitting hairs, that is not even remotely important to the points raised
Proper use of words and phrases is _always_ important since this is a written medium. But hey, if you don't want to learn, no biggie to me.
DDa wants to school on "proper" phraseology. That is how deaf he is to the issue at hand. They just shot a person loved like few other, a stellar example of living in accordance to higher values and thinks it appropriate to "teach" definitions (that he clearly does not understand). Brilliant.
Yes exactly!
The #walkaway movement has expanded exponentially this past week...and will continue to do so as it is the only pathway back to sanity.
Not until good Democrats turn their backs on the hatred and violence that their party has openly embraced and "walkaway" will this great nation begin to heal.
There are no good democrats
The Dem party that created the lynching mobs KKK are no different today. They still use their platform to promote hatred and death to anyone who opposes their evil agenda.
Yup.
Definitely important to point out that fact, especially to folks still on "the plantation" as Candice O consistently points out.
This is what CO had to say about BIBI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czVBmqZP6Ss
thanks I did see that and her assessment skills are well honed
She asks very very good questions.
I’m beginning to wonder. Of course, we’ve all seen the celebration of Charlie’s murder. It’s evil. Another thing that really bothers me is that the people in my life who are Democrats have said NOTHING! They have enough sense not to openly show joy about it, but neither are they condemning those who do. To me, that’s almost as bad.
This. I totally agree with this. I have dealt with bullying my entire life, first myself in middle school, then in college, then in extended family, then in one of the companies I worked for, then I watched with heartache as both my sons endured it. In every case most people sat silently by and allowed it for fear of the target moving to their head. Their silence was condoning. They tried to spin it that it wasn’t, but it damn well is. Silence is the exact same as what the bully is doing. It cuts as deep and it signals to others that what’s happening isn’t bad enough to get involved.
and what about the ethics of the onlookers? Are they even worse than the deranged bullies? In younger years was both bully and bullied.
I suspect the same is true of most bullies. It was mean however not violent at that time. Now it quickly becomes lethal.
It is as bad.
Look at some more comments made today about RFK's comments about Charlie at his vigil. This is from Sayer Ji's substack today.
Marilyn Hart-Hutchison
I fully agree. I have followed and championed Sayerji for many years, and am now shocked that he is ignoring all the horrific statements against women, people of color, gay folk and many others made by Kirk. Totally a white nationalist and deplorable human being, as you say. I'm sad to see you go this low, Sayerji, and I champion you no more.
Linda Quest
I don't advocate violence of any kind. I also don't advocate hate speech, racism, misogyny, or anything that attempts to degrade the life of a human being, especially those based on the color of one's skin, the country of one's origin, or the religion (or lack t hereof) that one chooses to live by. So, hearing RFK, Jr.'s tribute to Charlie Kirk sickened me. Are you feckin' kidding me here?!!! Charlie Kirk was a misogynistic racist who spread hatred and discord wherever he went, and it's disgusting to hear him spoken about as if he were some sort of national hero. I never realized that Sayer Ji, let alone RFK, Jr., advocated what he stood for. I am OUT OF HERE!
Barrie sandman
Wow I thought Dr Sayer J had common sense ! After reading this I will unsubscribe to all of his content. Kirk was a deplorable human being bringing hate to college campuses and everything he touched ! I do not condemn the killing but will not euthonize a white nationalist !
Wow. They preface their statement of “I also don't advocate hate speech, racism, misogyny, or anything that attempts to degrade the life of a human being, especially those based on the color of one's skin, the country of one's origin, or the religion (or lack t hereof) that one chooses to live by.” Then proceed to do what they don’t advocate. 🤣
Yup.
Wow. Those women are entitled to opinions. It wouldn't hurt if they conducted some research, though.
Certainly they can have their opinions but as you mentioned, research anyone? anyone?
That is telling, very telling. At this LATE date claiming to be a Dem is far far worse than insane. Time for real friends. These people are demons.
We are all made in the image of God. We are all sons and daughters of Adam. We all sin. We are all designed for perfection. Don't say, "there are no good democrats." Be like Charlie and meet some. See for yourself.
I am 74 years old.
I grew up in the DEEP SOUTH.
I know this for a FACT, Jack
There are NO GOOD DEMOCRATS.
I am as white as I can be.
They burned crosses in the yards of people who were darker than they were.
When some black children…..CHILDREN!!!……came to the last church my dad pastored, these ‘good’ demonic rats wanted to burn the church down. He feared for me to ride the bus to school For fear of just how ‘good’ the would beat me to a pulp.
If you believe there are ‘good democRATS still in that party?? You are ‘woke’.
They. Killed. Charlie. Kirk.
And many, many others.
possibly though it actually may be worse, alot worse
As you point out the "party" are RATS
I like the term DemonRats
All those southern Dems switched to the Republican party after Nixon’s “Southern Strategy.” That’s why the South is red.
look at some more comments made today about RFK's comments about Charlie at his vigil. This is from Sayer Ji's substack today.
Marilyn Hart-Hutchison
I fully agree. I have followed and championed Sayerji for many years, and am now shocked that he is ignoring all the horrific statements against women, people of color, gay folk and many others made by Kirk. Totally a white nationalist and deplorable human being, as you say. I'm sad to see you go this low, Sayerji, and I champion you no more.
Linda Quest
I don't advocate violence of any kind. I also don't advocate hate speech, racism, misogyny, or anything that attempts to degrade the life of a human being, especially those based on the color of one's skin, the country of one's origin, or the religion (or lack t hereof) that one chooses to live by. So, hearing RFK, Jr.'s tribute to Charlie Kirk sickened me. Are you feckin' kidding me here?!!! Charlie Kirk was a misogynistic racist who spread hatred and discord wherever he went, and it's disgusting to hear him spoken about as if he were some sort of national hero. I never realized that Sayer Ji, let alone RFK, Jr., advocated what he stood for. I am OUT OF HERE!
Barrie sandman
Wow I thought Dr Sayer J had common sense ! After reading this I will unsubscribe to all of his content. Kirk was a deplorable human being bringing hate to college campuses and everything he touched ! I do not condemn the killing but will not euthonize a white nationalist !
Not everything that presents as human is not human. If you are not convinced there is a God, then surely you can see that evil is running rampant, which proves that Satan exists. Which proves that GOD exists.
There are demons. And they need a human body to use as a host. Anyone still in the RAT party after they have done, cannot claim to be a ‘good’ anything.
I really do appreciate your thoughts, and I have no problem with your "yelling".
Have been saying the exact same for many months re: the Demtards
Loyalty is a bizarre quality that can easily be exploited...
Bogo on exorcisms!
"We have met the enemy, and he is us."
Amen. What would Charlie do?
Thus the error or equivalency without framing it in current reality.
The comment is prescient and timely. Having discussions with persons holding false beliefs is exacty where CK excelled. However at this late date
those who hold that affiliation in the wake of modern events flown under the DemonRat flag makes the comment appropritate and accurate.
maybe fetterman but he needs to walk away and right quick.
I wouldn’t be mad if he ended up leading the ranks towards normal dem thoughts
Normal Dem thoughts?
They funded the KKK and wrote Jim Crow Laws. The now fund Antifa and BLM. They fund abortion, with the intent of killing black and brown babies.
They re-enslaved black people with welfare and EBT cards. The gun up violence all over the world. They want to MUTILATE children. They want to make pedophilia an ‘alternate lifestyle’.
They tried to slandered and attempted to ruin TRUMP by ANY MEANS NECESSARY. They then tried to MURDER HIM. TWICE that we know of……They pushed activist judges and DA’s. THEY nominated an IDIOT who now sits on our SUPREME COURT!!!!!!
They turned loose criminals. Pedophiles, theives, murderers, traffickers onto our streets and into our neighborhoods.
They put child sex groomers into the classrooms with OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN.
They FLOODED our nation with murderous ILLEGALS.
And yes. I am YELLING!
And you want those NORMAL DEM
THOUGHTS to continue to run our nation into the ground?????????
SERIOUSLY????
I'm yelling right along with you. We need to keep our energy. We can no longer pretend that these people are not dangerous enemies.
Wow. Take it down a notch!
I refuse to even read your whole post because you are yelling at me.
And yes Fetterman has far better ideas than many dems.
Did I say I wanted Dems to run the country. Absolutely not.
Check yourself!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=azE7nqqQMmo
Same here.
He sure is more sane than the others!!
You have made a statement with nothing to back it up. Do you know every Democrat in this country? It is blanket statements like yours that can lead to big problems. I have relatives who are lifelong democrats. They are kind, helpful individuals. They are hardworking, decent, law-abiding citizens. You might want to adjust your rhetoric in future.
My condolences on the dem relatives. Haha. Not to worry, though, I exaggerate for effect. It works, most of the time. Take care.
RFK Jr and Tulsi Gabbard were democrats until recently. The good ones are peeling away, but there are some left.
It may be time to redefine some terms. Dem = leftist. Repub = sycophant. Indep = conservative. Libertarian = indecisivist.
Thus the importation of millions more dependent illegals, JT, thinking they are required to vote, and vote democrat to preserve their benefits. Isn't that the way the democrats weaseled their way into the black community? Broke the family unit and made single mothers dependent on government for their sustenance. Thankfully many blacks recognized they had been rounded up for a different form of slavery and left the plantation of the left.
‘Good’ demonicRATS?
If they’re still democRATS after the last 15 years? Especially after the Biden years?
They are soulless ghouls.
the word good derives from God. A great case can be made that Current Dems
are neither good nor Godly. The opposite is demonic.
Their souls black.
Then they are not good Dems are they if they even have to think about walking away.
I so wanted to comment on this post on the Free press this morning. But because I canceled my subscription long ago, I could not. Thank you so much for posting it again here. The world needs to read it!
I love that Jeff allows everyone to comment here!
It is the right thing to do even if we do not agree with some of the comments.
Jeff is not allowing. Substack has this format. However it also "allows" censorship by burying comments and is totally run by AI.
My guess is Subs are doomed.
Jeff IS allowing. I have seen many Substack authors who have the ability (and use it) to ‘turn off’ the comment section. See Holly the Math Nerd who does it frequently due to absurd/violent comments.
Yes, many Substack authors limit comments (or even just “likes” sometimes) to paying subscribers.
Realize that. However AI is the interface. If you think it benign, think again...
Re: the "allowing"comment. Any sub author has to turn off or on comment section every log in. This Sub authorized a takeover of a person posting scripture which seems curtailed since exposed. The issue is not with the Scripture!!
The issue was with the authorized takeover so there were not pertinent comments.
All by design.
However the topic a million times more important is the medias "shooter" story of CK. There are dozens of impossibilities documented. JC must know this.
Why then is he writing a piece as if this is a proven fact????????
The whole purpose of Subs is discussion of relevant topics.
This particular Sub was totally taken over by "Janice" publishing scipture without suggesting why. Thus burying discussion. Now if we believe thats ok then there is no reason for a discussion, defeating the purpose.
Turning off comments is one form of censorship, allowing the "discussion" to be co-opted another REGARDLESS of ones opinion of the co-opting takeover.
You believe what you want to believe. Janice posts are very welcomed by almost all here. The WORD of the One True Living God is the ONLY TRUTH there is in this fallen world.
The fact that you are offended by it makes me question your really being a Truth Seeker.
You’re just angry that your particular comment wasn’t further up the charts.
That is very narcissistic.
I could not have said it better. Impressive insight and right on point🎯
As far as people on the left saying they’re sorry for Charlie being murdered saying your sorry and true repentance are two different things.
I think what they are saying and what they are thinking are two different things. What they are thinking is they are sorry it wasn't President Trump who was assassinated. Now with this "successful" assassination, the threat against Trump and his team is immensely magnified. This is how truly evil they are.
I think this is a good moment to think about our response. As you all know, I think we must all become Concealed Carry specialists. By specialists, I mean we know what the hell we are doing, not just someone carrying a gun and thinking they will be able to act. Along with that, we must be more aware than ever about what is happening in our surroundings and REPORT what you see immediately. Be prepared to deploy your weapon. There is video of a guy watching the assassin on the roof top before the assassination who said nothing to anyone who might've been able to stop it or could've stopped it himself had he simply starting jumping up and down and yelling. You know, something like SHOOTER, SHOOTER, SHOOTER ON THE ROOFTOP and pointing, perhaps that would have been enough for Charlie's security team to take action?
This accelerationism stuff on the internet is extremely worrisome. Taken along with public school and media indoctrination, it is a real threat to society and to our individual well being. I think it is something to which the President must apply his whole of government effort to detect and end. If they are inciting murdering people and glorifying those who have done so, they don't get free speech protection, they get investigated and shut down. I believe Soros and his MASSIVE Open Society/Arabella network of evil "NGOs" which have well funded tentacles EVERYWHERE is largely to blame. And the funding comes largely from our tax dollars too, through the criminal and corrupt uniparty and deep state bureaucracies.
We must figure out ways to take meaningful action. I'm listening...
Thought you may be interested in this Dan.
This is what was posted on FB from Christopher Rispoli a veterinarian in Edmond, Oklahoma. I was not able to copy the image so I had to type it. They have taken down his picture on the clinic website.
https://www.gentlecareah.net/
He wrote, " Charlie Kirk, right wing stupid fuck maga activist shot unalived on Utah campus. He is only the first! Could we actually be getting smart and culling the sick ones!!! Oh gosh, I want the offer his family "my thoughts and prayers"!!"He ends with 3 images of a hand with the middle finger raised.
Please reach out to the American Veterinary Medical Association:
Customer service: 1 (800) 248-2862Headquarters: 1931 North Meacham Road, Suite 100, Schaumburg, IL 60173-4360avmagrd@avma.org
OR the Oklahoma Veterinary Medical Association:
Address: 13917 Quail Pointe Dr, Oklahoma City, OK 73134Phone: (405) 478-1002Phone: (405) 478-1002
Fax: (405) 478-7193
It looks like they have taken down the entire website, I'm unable to get to it. Do you have the phone number for his vet clinic?
That is extremely disturbing, I tried to post his information in that new website www.charliesmurderers.com but it appears to have been taken down or access to it is being blocked.
Yes, I tried getting on this morning and its been wiped. Wonder who did that? The author should put up again using another title. You should see some of the filth being said on TruthSocial by leftists.
I’ve seen the filth on TS. These people are disgusting, evil, sick people and we should look at the entire left from that perspective. If someone on the left aids or abets their behavior they are equally guilty. The only option for anyone on the left who is not a lunatic, is to leave, walk the fuck away.
I imagine he'll be packing up and moving to the west coast where there will be a lot of people who want to patronize people like him :(
I agree with your premise of see something yell something Dan, but how did that work in Butler? Not so well and the time from first visual of someone on the roof to first shot was much longer.
I've not seen forensics of the timeline in Utah so will refrain from further speculation. I will however, speculate that both shooters, Butler and Utah, were not professional or practiced enough to commit the assassinations credited to them.
I'm not completely in disagreement.
The forensics show clearly that the butler attempted assassination was who they say it was. And but for the grace of God it would have been successful. Yes, some people tried, a little, at Butler to do something but not nearly enough. All that said, in that case, I do agree the shooter was prepared by someone, perhaps elements of cabbage's admin participated to get training and all resources, to assassinate President Trump.
It appears no one in UVU did anything and could have. People have to wake up, pay attention and TAKE ACTION. The lunatics have made it clear they will attempt assassination to have their way. They are sick. The entire fucking left is sick and we should not see them as doing anything reasonable. Jeff's discussion of accelerationism is extremely important to see how the radicalization of these people is occurring.
Yep, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies flying around about someone else having done the horrific Kirk assassination and the attempted assassination of the President - before he won the Presidency - for the third time. The forensics are clearly pointing to the delusional, mentally ill shooter (who I will not name) they have arrested. There is no reason for the Trump Administration to cover this up or try to sell a different story. In fact, every reason exists for them to not try and sell something like the lunatics on the left are trying to sell.
I'm looking at every way possible for people to make a difference.
No the forensics don't show that. Check out my substack. If you use freely available aerial photographs you can see that a line from "Crooks" to Trump continues on to NEITHER the back railing of the south bleachers or James Copenhaver's arm, both of which were hit at about the same time as Mr. Trump.
https://skepticalactuary1348.substack.com/p/one-line-on-one-picture-proves-there
One of the Secret Service counter sniper said in testimony before BOTH the House and Senate that he and his partner were taking fire at the SAME time shots started. He also said that when he talked to his partner about it, the partner said he thought the shots were on his right. Since the guy that testified thought the shots were on his left, that means the shots passed between them. This is the guy on the North barn, further from the front of the barn.
Hi Skeptical, my comments on line of sight were concerning the assassination of Charlie, not the attempted assassination of President Trump who should’ve been serving his 2d term had it not been stolen. But, now we see, the steal gave him time to prepare in detail. And boy did they prepare and boy are they executing the mission now. Exactly what I voted for. Trump was hit in the ear, his life saved by God. Full stop.
interesting assessment, do not go down that type of rabbit hole
Simply listen to the narrative and it either passes the BS test or it does not. I knew within 60 sec that Jo Bamma had a silver plated tongue AND that he was lieing. Took me less that 60 sec long before he "won" No one I knew saw this, they all drank the kool aid. That is just one example, not trying to blow a personal horn.
Pointing out that cultivating Discernment is the way forward.
Forensics a wee bit tardy.
What about the person seen on the water tower in Butler?
As far as Utah goes I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
Dan forensics do not "point" however they very successfully get people to parrot. Conspiracy is when two or more plot something nefarious or unlawful. Regardless of who the killer was it was a conspiracy.
One way to assist people is to drop off false beliefs as they degenerate
into putrid substrates.
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
I do know that he was sitting in a terraced pit like structure with a canopy over him. They (FBI, etc) are already investigating and have found that the shooter's position on that roof top still afforded line of sight to Charlie and plunging fire, again, only 200 yards away. In fact without being on that rooftop at a lower lever he would not have been able to gain line of sight unless he was in the depression too. I saw a video of him limping to the school, the limp may have been caused by him having the upper and lower groups of the weapon secured to his legs - I'm not certain of this - it may have been prepositioned by him - or someone else but it would account for the limp and also make him look less threatening. The upper probably still had the scope attached and so the zero was still good. He simply had to re-mate the upper (receiver, barrel, scope) and lower (the stock). With a high power, zeroed scope, on a 30.06 rifle at only 200 yds, a reasonably easy shot for someone with some training on proper technique. Its not rocket science and especially not at only 200 yards. Honestly, I think Charlie's security detail became complacent over time and did a grossly inadequate job of securing the site, they may also have been undermanned and lacked other necessary resources. This was the first event of the year. People who saw the murderer did not sound off. Altogether, it cost us a great human being, my only sense of calm is from knowing he is in heaven but Im still quite angry. I will say it again, the left are essentially evil people (who've convinced themselves they are not) and they have proven, again and again, they have no good argument. They have concluded that lethal force is the best option to have their way. We need to accept that basic fact moving forward. And be prepared to defeat it.
First event of the year? You must mean the academic year, the school year?
Repeating the narrative? 200 yards only???? Very very few have that skill but it is irrelevant. The shooter is a patsy.
Twas a close range shot highly orchestrated.
The question about the security detail illustrates their abject failure. No one even discusses that fact.
All good points Susan. I have not seen detailed forensics of elevations, line of sight, acoustics and of course no details on Robinson and his experience with firearms. Access to the roof of building, how was that accomplished? Gravity provides a quick exit, human nature is to follow the route you entered from though. I'm now seeing reports of a 'screwdriver with DNA match' found on the roof. Is the media/feds playing catch up with an informed populous in reporting this now? I'm unsure, but a hex key (allen) wrench would probably be required to disassemble that weapon/scope. Would a hastily assembled high power rifle remain accurate enough to make a head shot at that distance? Was the weapon found fully assembled when found in the forest? This is beginning to look like a game of Clue.
As with Butler, we will probably never know the truth, and the golf course shooting is now producing crickets. Perhaps a president 50 years from now will demand the records be released on all these assassins.
I find it rather amazing how easy it is to get people opining about things for which they have zero knowledge.
That prevents them from asking better questions.
"This accelerationism stuff on the internet is extremely worrisome"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6au3ppTm7g
Later Jay
I watched the whole thing, a good documentary. It's good he was on duty.
I will watch this Jay, thank you for sharing it.
the solution Dan is simple and self evident
Stop watching the fake news echo chamber, Just stop it
Do not authorize the teaching of children to unknown and unvetted sources
like public schools.
Those steps would solve 88% of the problem.
Continue to drain the swamp, it is habbening. Spelling error intentional.
Without repentance & atonement their words carry no weight.
We can pray for their salvation.
Once they have been turned over to a reprobate mind, nothing will change them.
Repentance is for the one who committed the action. False beliefs characterize those who went along or endorsed. Admission of the false beliefs a requisite to move forward. Otherwise stagnant.
There is no left or right. Only good and evil. Both parties are part
When it comes to domestic violence one side is wildly more evil than the other.
Yes, and they are being taught that violence is the preferred and acceptable solution. Returning fire on them is not violence, but it does end their violence.
When you have a party that celebrates the killing of the unborn, you have a party that has lost its soul. It is no surprise they are celebrating Charlie’s death because it is what they do. They have chosen the side of evil.
And castrating the youth...
Exactly.
Yes.
So true but evil is evil and consider it is more hidden on the right to deceive those who would not approve and slowly demoralize the right…
Dawn, I have not heard anyone on the right support murder and justify it like the left does. Do you know of anyone on the right and what they said? I have been thinking about this and just cannot think of anyone on the right that has done so. And I cannot see anything positive or moral coming from the left either....
well the right is pretty gungho on organized murder of venezuelans (when anyone with 2 brain cells realizes the cia is the biggest drug cartel in the world) russians, gazans, muslims anywhere. . . and anyone else they are told to cheer on. so I'd say yes, the right does support murder and justify it.
drug dealers have to go so bravo to that. old cia has to go, bravo to that and hope they are working on it. the left love to kill the same you mentioned above. the left are worse by far.
Wow. That is real democrat reasoning right there.
Trump is a President who is trying to achieve peace. It's not always possible to do that without engaging in trying to take out terrorist organizations.
But ... we weren't talking about foreign policy. We were talking about other US citizens who have different political views. I.e. conservatives vs liberals.
Did you just type "...organized murder of venezuelans"? I'd love to read your explanation of such a strange accusation...
What about us sending money and weapons to destroy Palestine at the moment?
The right makes it sound humane but is it?
I agree on this point but that is the govt. What I was talking about was citizenry on the right saying things like this:
Look at some more comments made today about RFK's comments about Charlie at his vigil. This is from Sayer Ji's substack today.
Marilyn Hart-Hutchison
I fully agree. I have followed and championed Sayerji for many years, and am now shocked that he is ignoring all the horrific statements against women, people of color, gay folk and many others made by Kirk. Totally a white nationalist and deplorable human being, as you say. I'm sad to see you go this low, Sayerji, and I champion you no more.
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I don't advocate violence of any kind. I also don't advocate hate speech, racism, misogyny, or anything that attempts to degrade the life of a human being, especially those based on the color of one's skin, the country of one's origin, or the religion (or lack t hereof) that one chooses to live by. So, hearing RFK, Jr.'s tribute to Charlie Kirk sickened me. Are you feckin' kidding me here?!!! Charlie Kirk was a misogynistic racist who spread hatred and discord wherever he went, and it's disgusting to hear him spoken about as if he were some sort of national hero. I never realized that Sayer Ji, let alone RFK, Jr., advocated what he stood for. I am OUT OF HERE!
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Wow I thought Dr Sayer J had common sense ! After reading this I will unsubscribe to all of his content. Kirk was a deplorable human being bringing hate to college campuses and everything he touched ! I do not condemn the killing but will not euthonize a white nationalist !
Wow. I stay off of social media. Bunch of idiots who never listened to CK because he was not those things.
And this is just some of it. Really malevolent. Look at this:
This is what was posted on FB from Christopher Rispoli a veterinarian in Edmond, Oklahoma. I was not able to copy the image so I had to type it. They have taken down his picture on the clinic website.
https://www.gentlecareah.net/
He wrote, " Charlie Kirk, right wing stupid fuck maga activist shot unalived on Utah campus. He is only the first! Could we actually be getting smart and culling the sick ones!!! Oh gosh, I want the offer his family "my thoughts and prayers"!!"He ends with 3 images of a hand with the middle finger raised.
Are these paid people to say these things dividing us all?
They pay them to riot and protest so why not?
I think you must mean 'eulogize.' I don't think "euthonize" is a word, but euthanasia is a form of killing.
I think Barrie Sandman who wrote that comment meant that too so I corrected him on that post. Yes, I know very well what euthanasia means so thanks anyway.
Charlie Kirk's children were in Arizona last Wednesday when their dad was martyred. They were not in attendance. I have seen many articles and notes that state this, so I'm not surprised it's out there. Erika Kirk confirmed they were not in attendance at her speech last Thursday night. I believe Erika may have been present but that has not been confirmed.
I noticed the same thing, Maggie. Erika said on camera that when she got home to Phoenix, her 3-year-old daughter asked where her daddy was. I thank God those children weren’t there to witness the horrific event that took their daddy’s life, or the trauma their mommy experienced. It could have had lifelong, profoundly deep psychological effects on those babies. The absence of their father for the rest of their lives will be traumatic enough.
Thank you! I cannot believe how many people are promoting the “ran to Daddy” scenario. The Police chief stated an officer had been sent to notify the family. That is why I didn’t think they were there but so much info you can’t get the truth.
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Great post but the radical left, along with the captured MSM, is financed by the Transnationals as a prime weapon to destroy this country.
Brilliant. Thanks Evans.
And weirdly, on the other end of the spectrum, there are some apparently far-righties on social media who actually believe that the whole thing was a false flag, everything was staged, and that Charlie wasn’t actually shot. They think it was all political theater to benefit the Trump Admin. 😳 🤦♀️
Those people are insane and so far out on the margins it's laughable. The fact that you give them a seconds attention says as much about you as it does them. Conversely, the celebrations that we're seeing from the left on social media platforms is far from the margins. Its literally everywhere.
They aren’t far righties.
They have gone so far that they have ‘circled back’ to the left
Lol, I think you nailed it, CStone!
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I wish that were true bc that would mean Charlie was still here for his family and Turning Point.
I would not be one bit surprised if those people are psyop agents of some sort.
What? Wait! I thought it was a joint CIA-Mossad operation?
That's what a few crazies and psyops agents are saying.
https://theonion.com/witnesses-assumed-charlie-kirk-shooter-was-just-ordinary-gunman-on-school-campus/
I can theorize why people think the Kirk "assasination" was staged: the explanations we've been given are not sensible. The lack of obvious security measures, that verify attendees did not have guns, is suspicious. Where are the images of a dead body being removed and put in a vehicle, and where would such a vehicle be expected to go? Where are the images recorded on the phones of most of the attendees?
There were videos of Charlie being carried hurriedly to the back of an SUV and whisked to the hospital where he was pronounced dead. No proof that they were real.
I don’t think that’s unreasonable during the hot takes phase. Gobbling up the Official Narrative™️ certainly seems like the wrong move. Just because Team Red has the ball does not mean we should not be skeptical.
I personally believe Kirk was shot, most likely by the suspect in custody’s but there’s probably more to the story. I questioned (and still do) the legitimacy of the Ashli Babbit shooting if for nothing else the complete lack of any reaction of a room full of people after a gunshot. The video is absurd.
Anyway, we should absolutely be questioning everything. Here’s a good X post by Ian Smith, you may remember him challenge NJ Gov. Phil Murphy during the COVID lockdowns.
https://x.com/iansmithfitness/status/1966887223573250467?s=46
Why don’t you quit the corruptocrats yourself? Do they Still have redeeming qualities? Referring to the op, obviously.
Agree Alan. The company you keep is very telling about a person.
This comment was fire. Thank you.
Thankfully the normies are waking up. I pray it results in the total destruction of the Democratic party. McCarthy was right. The biggest threat to our country are the Marxists which pervade and run nearly every institution in America. The party that celebrates the murder of a young father and yawns when a young women is stabbed in the neck needs to be torn out by the roots.
Thank you, Evans. And good to see this on TFP as well. Stay true!
EVANS! Great to see you here... you are on the list of commenters who always add insight and value to the conversation.. thanks for the excerpts from the great Sterling piece... I am amazed how the left continues to bend over backwards trying to deny this murderer is a far leftist ("his family are all REPUBLICANS") but don't really have much to say on thousands upon thousands of admitted leftists who cheer on this brutality... I continue to be amazed at the brashness of these people who think nothing of posting the joy at someone's murder, regardless of what they may think of Charlie Kirk's position on any issue... I don't hold most Democrats in high regard, but it never even crosses my mind to wish physical harm on any of them... and yet the left willingly screams (posts) their vile thoughts for all to see without a care in the world as to what (rational) people might think..... that tells me we haven't come quite as far as we thought we have in terms of a return to sanity.
Do these people celebrating Charlie's murder even know his positions at all? Have they watched any of his videos? I don't watch leftist videos. I don't think they watch right wing videos. Why would they, other than to stoke their own hatred?
Of course not- they watch the cherry picked snippets taken out of context and presented by the mainstream media (outside of his traditional Christian values which he absolutely said and the left can’t stand).
No!! A libtard from Lansing MI is the latest. She went to CK memorial with small cardboard sign saying "Death to Fascists" When confronted she could not list a single example of Fascism. However she was proud to state the she was a Communist. Only posted as an example. These idealogues are not just deranged
they are dangerous. Forget "wings" or other divisive terms. Support the truth
wherever it exits.
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Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.
— Daniel 12:3 NAS95
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Thank you, Janice.
“Make me understand the way of thy precepts, and I will meditate on thy wondrous works. My soul melts away for sorrow; strengthen me according to thy word! Put false ways far from me; and graciously teach me thy law! I have chosen the way of faithfulness, I set thy ordinances before me. I cleave to thy testimonies, O Lord; let me not be put to shame! I will run in the way of thy commandments when thou enlargest my understanding!”
-Psalm 119:27-32
"The World Order sets up countless groups to promote any type of idea, and then sets up other groups to fanatically oppose them, but the masters have no dedication to anything except slavery."
The World Order
Eustace Mullins
1992
yes, co-sponsoring radical ideologies that oppose one-another; refined over a few centuries so now we see the finished products of Transtifa-style online killer militia groups as only one of a cultivated variety of directed Death-Chaos-Hate groups arising in the West to the benefit of our rivals and enemies. Cut off one tentacle and others will be nourished and fed.
This cult is very much like terrorist. They start with the youth by instilling hatred and division. By the time they are young adults, they have no compassion as all humanity had been stripped away. They believe the world will be a better place without any kind truths, beauty, innocence, or decency.
Think 3000 years and go to Leviticus and Deuteronomy. 20 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. 3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. 4 And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: 5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people. 6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and a.... the instructions on the Molech worshippers are seen again and again throughout the Bible.
The last essay from Eustace Mullins. https://www.bitchute.com/video/CYebcyfiYWo5
Am American hero truth teller.
Won't find him in the curriculum. The World Order controls publishing.
His books are on archive.org.
Thanks.
Adding to Daniel 12, verses 8-10: 8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?”
9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.
10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
“I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things hidden from the foundation of the Earth.”
“You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?”
“He who has ears, let him hear.” Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.”
Do you have any articles I could share supporting the Flat Earth theory?
Ray McBarry of pinnacle Baptist church in GA has 16 videos on biblical cosmology as well as a book. All backed up with scripture. It’s a fascinating topic.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOxd6UvVjBMtWuhgbVRmY0xzECRs2_ZiL&si=FE3Z_BDqutVQ2thg
(Link was shared in separate post before I had chance to add comment)
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOxd6UvVjBMtWuhgbVRmY0xzECRs2_ZiL&si=FE3Z_BDqutVQ2thg
Hi Julie, are you looking for information from a Biblical perspective, or secular?
Biblical but if I’d also be curious to hear what the secular world has to say.
Most secular proofs for flat earth theory comprise a “preponderance of evidence.” Such proofs include calculating the curvature of the Earth and comparing that to how far we can see.
A huge proof for this is the Guinness world record for long distance photography, https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/66661-longest-line-of-sight-on-earth. The photograph was taken from near the top of one mountain peak in Spain to another peak in France. The distance of the photograph is 275 miles. Using an online earth curvature calculator, you will discover that the amount of curvature between those two peaks is over 16,000 feet. Meaning, even from the top of the peak in Spain, the entire peak in France (12,740 feet high) should have been obscured by a wall of earth over 16,000 feet deep/high. And no, refraction and mirages don’t explain it.
We always see too far, as I can personally attest to from all my years looking at the Earth out of airplane windows and especially the cockpit. JTolan Media on YouTube routinely photographs landscapes hundreds and sometimes over 1,000 miles away using infrared cameras. One thousand miles of curvature equals a wall of earth 666,666 feet deep. Interesting number, isn’t it?
A second proof is the atmosphere of Earth. Science has always told us (until just recently!) that to have gas pressure, you need a container. Scientists claim that the vacuum of space has an unfathomable force of 10 to the -17 torr. If that’s true, Earth would have no atmosphere without a container to prevent it from being violently sucked off by the vacuum of space. But Earth has a container, namely the FIRMament.
If you’d like more evidence, I recommend watching Mark Sargent’s “Flat Earth Clues.” https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLltxIX4B8_URNUzDE2sXctnUAEXgEDDGn
God bless you, Julie!
Here is a white paper by the late great Dr. Michael Heiser, who was a very well-respected, born again Christian Bible scholar. While he (and most other serious Bible scholars) admits that the ancient Hebrews believed the Earth was flat, covered by a hard dome, with depth beneath the surface of the Earth, he will go on to tell you that the cosmology as described in the Bible is not scientifically correct, but that it doesn’t matter. He calls his view the Doctrine of Accommodation, which basically states that God accommodated the ignorance of the biblical writers when it came to science, and that the book of Genesis is all about “theological messaging“ rather than science. But, how Heiser justifies any other non-scientific event written in the Bible, such as the resurrection of Christ, is therefore beyond me. Basically, the Doctrine of Accommodation is a way of calling God a liar, in my opinion. But most important are the words of Christ Himself: “Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for HE WROTE OF ME. But if you do not believe his writings, HOW WILL YOU BELIEVE MY WORDS?” John 5:45-47 (caps mine).
https://moreunseenrealm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Heiser-Genesis-and-Ancient-Near-Eastern-Cosmology-FSB.pdf
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Btw Hallow is not a Catholic app. Christian yes & Catholic priests do some sessions. The Catholic app is the Ascension app.
Janice, you never fail to post the most pertinent and insightful comments.
I remember sharing this verse on here probably three years ago, but when I thought of it again last night in connection with Charlie, it spoke even more powerfully.
Anyone else suspicious of the ‘lone early 20’s shooter’ theory? Or is it just me repeatedly saying this seemed like a hit performed by someone a little more experienced than this guy? Not that he may not have been ‘involved’ but I don’t think he pulled that all off on his own.
Most of us feel this way. That kid was primed and pointed just like the weapon he used. I think the FBI is well aware and is working on it.
The FBI is having its own civil war as perhaps it and the DOJ were and still are likely majority deep state one world GOVERNMENT hires.
Patel seems to be working on it. Transparently:
"It's on me."
Lots of data.
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1967601897138979327
How could Patel not have e considered the proximity of the Trans Shooting Club to Kirk that day?! Did they evaluate in line discussions w/I this group? This never should have happened. There are evil forces in FBI that much is obvious
FBI was not there that day. Charlie has his own security.
Campus police only had 6 guys that day for a crowd of 3,000. One of the campus police supervisors cheered his death.
Patel might be the most disappointing of all of Trump‘s picks. I really expected more of him.
I'm not convinced Robinson was the one who pulled the trigger, or that the shot came from the roof. Where's the spent 30-06 bullet? How was the rifle removed from the roof? No evidence of a rifle when the figure jumped to the ground, unless it was completely broken down and concealed in the backpack. To do that, for a competent gunsmith, with specialized tools, in a calm environment, would take a couple to three hours. And then to reassemble it and leave it in the woods wrapped in a towel is beyond ludicrous.
It’s a bolt action Mauser.
The spent bullet killed Charlie Kirk.
You meant “spent casing.” I believe that was still in the rifle. With a bolt action, the casing is only ejected if the bolt is manually cycled.
It seems like a lot of people are commenting on plausibility or implausibility of this shooting, who don’t really know much about shooting.
We don’t know a lot about shooting but something seems ‘off.’ Thankfully we have people in this comment section who can educate us. Maybe it is all dead on but the government hasn’t given me much to trust in my life
A million wanna be Sherlock Holmes
Only if the action were opened.
The rifled barrel is attached to the bolt action and trigger mechanism. They can be lifted out of the stock, with methods varying between manufacturers, but typically requiring unscrewing two screws and lifting out the barrel (and action, magazine, and trigger assembly, which all lift out as one unit).
The scope is usually attached via scope rings, with bases that screw directly to the barrel and action.
Some actions can only be removed from the stock if the bolt is first pulled entirely out of the rear of the action. That takes maybe two seconds… move a lever, rotate and pull the bolt. That would eject the casing from the bolt.
The screws would take a while longer.
That’s a conventional rifle we are discussing.
A takedown modified rifle is designed to easily separate the barrel from the action, usually along with part of the forend (stock around the barrel). They cost a lot more, but make for easy packing.
A takedown setup would not require removal of the bolt, and taking one apart would not necessarily eject the casing.
Any evidence the rifle was a "take-down" type? The rifle has been reported to be a Mauser... but a picture of the purported rifle had a black synthetic stock...
"Mauser ceased production of military bolt-action rifles chambered in 30.06 with the end of World War II in 1945, as the controlled round feed Mauser 98 system production for the German military ended at that time. While the company continued to produce civilian hunting rifles, including models based on the Mauser 98 system, the specific .30-06 chambering for military use was not part of its post-war production."
Ooops!
I don’t know that I have seen a good pic of the rifle.
My only Mauser is a sporterized, re-barreled .308, with a 20” barrel and a wood stock.
Mauser actions were popular with a lot of gunsmiths, due to the controlled feed bolt being popular with big game hunter customers.
Pre-1964 Winchester Model 70s used a pretty close copy of Mauser’s action.
Then why speculate that it was a "take-down"?
Info released claims it was a Mauser rifle, not a custom rifle that had a Mauser action.
You still have not explained why he disassembled the rifle (while still on the roof, or while he was escaping?) and re-assembled the rifle prior to dumping it, while on the run. He had to have disassembled teh rifle before leaving the roof, it is too long assembled to go along with the pics taken of him dropping off the roof... Does that make any sense?
I completely hear and understand what you're saying. But all that data and analysis goes to someone working in leisure, perhaps at a bench. I don't see a kid that lives in a gaming world and plays online furry role playing likely to be that calm after killing a man. That kind of control comes from experience, practice, and formidable mental focus.
I've pulled people from a burning car, performed CPR, several other similar things. Most people don't react like that. Those trained and experienced in life and death situations usually do. But this kid seems to have literally none of that exposure. Unscrewing two screws on the roof of a building under those mental circumstances, in a hurry, not dropping the screws, escaping and then reassembling in the woods?
That's not an easy sell unless he has some proven calm under pressure. Not impossible, but improbable.
For me, the psychology and discipline required are the key to plausible or not with whoever's accused. Someone crazy and lacking empathy might meet that requirement, but not all. And once the act is done and the death is known, how many would instantly regret it and panic? Probably more than not.
Obviously I don't know the kid or all the details. But right now, there are a tremendous number of data points unrelated to firearms that don't fit the public statements, but many that fit with other false flag events. And others have said, conspiracy theorists are about 45-0 the past decade with the overt lies the gov't has told then been found out. So, I feel like the "prove me wrong" position is the correct starting point.
It's not personal. I hope you can shed some light on it, firearms and all. But the complete picture, all aspects, seems full of holes as it stands.
Sorry for the rant.
There are numerous pictures of him as a teen, hunting with his family. The kid grew up in rural Utah, with hunting and rifles. He didn’t just play video games.
Like I said, for anybody already familiar with firearms, the thing he most likely needed to learn from his Discord advisors was how to get into position, with a rifle, in an urban venue.
The basic weapon handling should have already been mostly in place.
Demonic influence could do it. Someone whose conscience is gone? Someone raised on role playing video games. ... I find the idea he changed his clothes 2xs to be more suspicious... suspicious that the fbi believes it. Unless they have him on camera, sounds more like a 2nd person.
Would disassembling the barrel cause a spent casing to be ejected?
Only if the action were opened.
The rifled barrel is attached to the bolt action and trigger mechanism. They can be lifted out of the stock, with methods varying between manufacturers, but typically requiring unscrewing two screws and lifting out the barrel (and action, magazine, and trigger assembly, which all lift out as one unit).
The scope is usually attached via scope rings, with bases that screw directly to the barrel and action.
Some actions can only be removed from the stock if the bolt is first pulled entirely out of the rear of the action. That takes maybe two seconds… move a lever, rotate and pull the bolt. That would eject the casing from the bolt.
The screws would take a while longer.
That’s a conventional rifle we are discussing.
A takedown modified rifle is designed to easily separate the barrel from the action, usually along with part of the forend (stock around the barrel). They cost a lot more, but make for easy packing.
A takedown setup would not require removal of the bolt, and taking one apart would not necessarily eject the casing.
Why would a person separate the barrel from the action?
To break the rifle into two shorter, easier packed or concealed sections (takedown mod rifle), or to replace a worn-out barrel.
Is there a photo of the rifle that is adequate to identify how easy it would be to remove the barrel?
I've been told it was a Mauser. Are there models that differ in the way the barrel attaches to the "action". Or in how a scope is mounted?
I haven’t seen a good pic, yet.
I have a sporterized Mauser 98 at home, rebarreled to .308. It looks nothing like a WWII German Army Mauser 98, though the stock is wood.
I also have an Enfield .303, given by a friend who had bought it with a synthetic stock that is nothing like the original, but also with a bayonet.
The point being, it is very common for rifles to come in many variants, and also to be modified by owners.
What gives you the idea that the rifle was a "takedown modified rifle"??
Why are you clinging to this load of bullcrap?
Why are you assuming anything at all?
Pot, meet Kettle.
OK, let me ask you a question. How does a 30-06 round not blow out his neck? I don't shoot a lot, but my impression is that rounds that big destroy flesh. And ballistics targets with a 30-06 do massive damage. So, help me understand that first.
How much resistance would you expect the bullet to encounter in the neck?
Have you ever shot small game with a round designed for big game? Rounds often don’t expand, and zip right through. The bullets are not optimized for smaller, softer targets.
On the other hand, hydrostatic shock from a rifle velocity round in the neck would be likely to produce more or less instantaneous unconsciousness, from shock waves into the spine and brain stem, and the way Charlie falls in the video it looks like he was instantly out, before he had the chance to bleed out.
I hope he was. I hope he never had the chance to feel pain, or fear.
No Robinson jumped off the roof with the shotgun hidden in his jeans as he walked with a limp. The spent cartridge was with the gun in the woods where he hid it. Robinson is the shooter, but more persons are involved!!
It was not a shotgun. And... He could not have had the rifle in his jeans, even if the barrel/scope was detached from the fixed stock. Too long, too wide.
Ok rifle, and yes there is the video trying to hold down the stock while walking. He’s limping and it’s very obvious what he’s doing.
If you can find a friend or acquaintance with a high-caliber hunting rifle, with scope...
Ask them to separate the barrel/scope from the stock... the scope can't be removed from the barrel without a lot of work and with a serious loss of accuracy when replaced... then put the barrel/scope assembly into one pant leg and the stock into the other pant leg. See if they fit... then see if you can walk, even with a minor limp, with them in your pants.
The width of MY hunting rifle's scope and barrel is around 3.5-4" and is obviously not flat. Can you fit a 3.5-4" wide assembly into YOUR pants, along with your leg? The barrel/scope assembly is 34" long... I am 6'1" and my pant inseam is 33". You couldn't walk with it in your pants, even if it fit, without walking totally stiff legged...
The stock is 5.5" wide at the base, and is 33.5" long. No way it would fit into some guy's pants and even if it did, again, the guy would be walking with totally stiff legs, no knee flex at all. This was not the case.
Do you even own a rifle?
Thanks for educating us, Abiding Dude. Although fully supportive of 2A I do not know much about guns. Something feels off to me so I apologize if my questions sound ignorant but I appreciate just how many people have knowledge here about a wide range of topics.
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The shooter walking through neighborhood with the rifle down his pant leg causing him to walk with a limp
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Yes I own many weapons but go check out the video
I see that he has a backpack in his hand as he is jumping from the roof. He puts it on his back as he’s walking away.
Now that you mention it, I do remember that having been reported.
That's simply not true it takes a matter of minutes. I own one. I can take it apart in under a minute .check your facts before you post absolute bullshit. Do you own a gun? have you ever shot a gun? do you know the difference between a 22 and a 357 Magnum? You may want to do research and check with people who know, before you post such stupid statements. other than that have a good day dumb dumb
Watch your rude comments. We may not know everything about shooting but something feels off about this. If you’re actually a decent person we can learn a lot from you and likely you from us
You are correct, I should have not been rude. I was pissed off from reading insane theories on the interweb, that does not justify what I did, but thank you for being so graceful. You lead by example, I shall try to do the same. have a good day.
Thank you for your response. I truly do appreciate the lovely knowledgeable people of coffee and COVID. We learn SO much here. I’m ignorant to guns but if the subject is ever anesthesia I’d be happy to lend my knowledge
Yes, John above is not familiar as to how easy it is to separate the barrel/scope assembly from the rifle stock... but it WOULD take some time and a tool to assemble and disassemble... on a roof under intense pressure/fear... but he does raise some interesting issues...
The shooter did not appear to have the rifle when he left the roof... I don't know if he had a backpack... even if he did, the usual barrel/scope assembly of a standard hunting rifle is around 33", give or take... most backpacks are not that long... the stock would be a bit longer, say 35". And that would mean that the shooter had to have disassembled the rifle AFTER he made the shot... to put in into the backpack... VERY unlikely... and no way a fully assembled rifle would fit in a backpack.
So YES, how did the assembled rifle get into the woods?
The usual barrel of a .30-06 hunting rifle is 22”. Where are you coming up with 33?
As far as fitting into a backpack, it depends on the dimensions of the backpack.
And investigators claim the rifle was found, wrapped in a towel. They did not say it was recovered in the backpack…. so rapid disassembly may not have been required at all.
Wrong... the standard is 24"
And did you forget that a scope was attached to the barrel assembly? And that the scope extends over the back of the breech?
I came up with the 33" by measuring a barrel assembly, with scope attached, from a rifle I own.
The rifle was way too long, assembled, to fit in any normal, even large, backpack... suspect came off the roof and clearly did not have an assembled rifle with him. You could see him clearly and his "backpack"... which clearly did not contain an assembled rifle... and... IF the rifle was not in the backpack, how did it get off the roof and into the woods?
Fair enough. I was not thinking about barrel and action combined, but should have been.
24” used to be standard for .30-06, but in recent years I have seen a lot more 22” for .30-06, and 20” for .308z
But as far as getting the rifle off the roof, we already know he was texting somebody about picking up the rifle from a drop point.
He could easily have wrapped it in a towel or some other wrapping, and dropped it to one of his Discord conspirators.
Or, it could have been a modified takedown rifle. Those only take seconds to unlock and rotate apart.
I have not seen high quality images of the reported murder weapon, so don’t know if it could have been a takedown model. If so, that would have fit into a backpack pretty quickly.
You are correct for calling me out, I should have done better ,I allowed emotion to overrule intellect and pushed send without thinking. I apologize for calling the man dumb dumb ,that was immature and unnecessary. I should have engaged him in honest conversation, I failed to do so ,that's completely on me.
No sweat... I have been known to post some rather harsh stuff myself.
Skoal!
A screwdriver with the suspect’s dna was found on the roof. Same dna on the towel wrapping the rifle left in the woods.
I do see a backpack in the suspect’s hand as he jumps from the roof - which he puts on his back while walking away.
I’m thinking he may have practiced the maneuvers to the point they became automatic.
This is a semi-retarded homosexual freak... not a pro.
The vids of him climbing down off the roof do NOT appear to show a rifle in the bag. The bag is loose and floppy...
Are you now claiming he fired the shot, then sat and disassembled the rifle?
You are straying into Nutsville.
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
my boyfriend says you can get the barrel off that gun in 30 seconds
On an open roof after shooting someone in front of a huge crowd?
Did he remove the scope too?
Then he fit the parts into a backpack? Then he re-assembled the rifle before leaving it in the woods?
my BF's IQ is higher than yours and obviously, he is not as rude or i would not be with him. his comment was only in reference to the person who said that it would take 2 to 3 hours to disassemble such a gun. the open roof was not part of the question.
obviously, the entire thing seems weird. anyone trying to escape would not take even the 30 seconds to take apart their weapon. nor would they then reassemble it in the woods and leave it to be found. i watched the footage. i see him put down his bag or backpack. i don't see him retrieve it. then again, it's not very clear and i am most certainly missing something. i don't have the technology to freeze frame. my government has tried to tell me many "stories" starting with oswald as the lone gunman. as a 9 year old i watched jack ruby walk right up to the world's most wanted man and shoot him point blank on live television. i thought "how convenient."
but to hurl insults... well, really
No, your boyfriend is not close to my IQ, but that is not relevant... I edited my comment, no need for insulting YOU... I was still pissed at the ass-clown billy Bob.
You make good points. Your boyfriend is correct, IF you have the right tool, you can take a barrel off pretty quickly... doing it right after shooting someone, on an open roof in front of a huge crowd... well... more difficult and the transporting of the rifle, and ditching it assembled again... very odd.
Apologies. Peace.
thank you. however, you have no idea what my BF's IQ is and IQ is not the only test of smarts. he was the original technical director of Phantom of the Opera on Broadway and all the tours across the country. he personally directed the crews that reinforced the grids of every major theater in the USA so that they could support the weight of the proscenium decor. as such, he is a jack of all trades, extremely handy and i am lucky to have him, especially since we live in an old house. and he ALWAYS has the right tool.
apology accepted.
You're wrong IMO. People did not look at the video close enough. The gun was already wrapped in the dark towel. It was carried along his side. He laid it on the edge of the roof before hanging down off the edge, picked it up and dropped it down, then he dropped down and picked it up and continued to carry it along the side away from the camera. I looked very carefully at that video that was released. The official version.
https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/utah-valley-shooting-video-091025.mp4/view
Here and on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrfHme9Yhc8&list=PLV1DMlyrTfqOO8EDGEwQVZanUDn59jOlY&index=3
It really is hard to tell. Watched it over and over and it doesn’t always look like a gun wrapped in a towel.
This is the same playbook used for the JFK assassination and Trump Butler assassination attempt. Set up a credible patsy, the Media reinforces the narrative, eliminate the patsy. Don’t let Jack Ruby’s grandson anywhere near this current patsy.
But they choose the effeminate with a partner that are "furries who wear hats on their heads with cat ears? Good Grief.
And how convenient that the person who asked Charlie his final question asked about transgender violence.
It was perfectly staged to give the alleged shooter a predicate… you might say the question “triggered” him (pun groan).
Which was set in motion by the two guys giving baseball hand signals!?!
I saw that. Demons in every direction.
The 2024 and 2025 preferred patsy profile are trans terrorists.
pump them up with hormones, cut off their privates, encourage playing furry dress up and blow up their mind. foul beyond belief.
Exactly!!
There's a lot about this that stinks on ice. Dismantling the rifle, assembling on roof, shooting and dismantling again and then reassembling to put in a box??? The little messages on the unused bullets.
And how about the video that popped up over the weekend of CKs wife Erika kissing hands of who could be anybody in the coffin she was leaning over. I mean was it even her? Why in tf was that filmed and posted?
There’s a lot of horrible AI out there, taking advantage of this.
@Gina- clicks and likes = $
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
Right. I’m not saying he wasn’t involved or willing, but the lone shooter theory doesn’t seem believable for a guy like that
I understood and 💯 agree with you.
Yeah, those silly messages that were carved into the bullet casings… they already tried that with the annunciation trans shooter.
Give me a break….
The handwriting was so tiny it would take many many hours to complete that .
This is a good analysis: https://rumble.com/v6yvhco-faked-tragedy-lone-gunman-or-patsy-jeffrey-prather.html
I wondered the same thing. Like what kind of person is etching a novella into a tiny bullet casing. Okay… they think we are all easily led morons
They aren't tiny
But how easy to etch multiple words into? It’s not like a piece of notebook paper.
A crazed leftist.
I feel the same. This is all too neat and tidy. Too many years of "conspiracy theories" becoming delayed facts has left me extremely suspicious.
I think we’re looking at a lone shooter who, as Walter Kirn said, had others who invited him into their garden of evil: https://x.com/walterkirn/status/1965873194340094022?s=42
You should see the reporting of the three individuals next to and behind Charlie that day giving known military signals …. It really does appear to be coordinated. Of course it’s just speculation at this point but seeing those people and their hand signals and how they backed out of the way when the shots came, not fearfully but more deliberately, is really disturbing
I have seen it…and much more. There is some information pointing to who these guys are and there were his security detail around too. There is also footage that needs to be explained of a guy taking down cameras and moving things under that tent right afterward -and it was a crime scene!!!
There is other disturbing footage being dissected that is equally damning to this bs that this kid did this or did it alone. They forget - 10 yrs ago they could have pulled the wool over our eyes quite easily. And they did it routinely. NOW - with the tech equipment at our fingertips and the digital expertise out there -they cannot hide evidence like before. It’s ALL being torn apart and their package with the bow on top stinks to the heavens.
Agreed, something rotten in Denmark.
Why would someone, giving signals to a sniper, be standing where they, themseves could be hit? Makes no sense to me.
Precisely because they KNEW they weren’t being targeted. They DID move in a way that someone would move who knew they weren’t the target but could be accidentally hit. It’s different than how someone innocent and clueless would move who would literally dive to the ground.
Did not see that video, but sounds eerie.
Would Charlie’s security team have been signaling each other?
Anyway, it seems likely that someone affiliated with the school who helped plan & set up the event was in touch with the killer. Because Charlie’s position that day was anticipated.
I'm hoping that the Feds are digging into the truth while they promote this public story.
Patel is digging. And is answering questions regarding how.
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1967601897138979327
Yes, unless the feds were involved somehow in the shooting.
Like they were in the JFK and RFK assassinations, along with Mossad...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzz9Md0d76Y
I have to assume that Kash Patel is on the right side of things, and is trying to weed out the deep staters from the FBI. I only have so much energy to give attention to online debates about things I cannot answer or control.
We elected Trump because we expect him and those he has picked to help him to dismantle the government-led forces that have been killing our country. Give him a year or so, please, to undo 80 years of deep statery.
Take a look near the bottom of this posting by Jenna McCarthy today. LOTS of questions. Like the face of the "shooter" not matching the angular jaw line of the person seen walking on the stairs before hand. The odd drone seen flying after the shot, the position of the hand of one guy to the right of Charlie Kirk, and much more. https://jennasside.rocks/p/do-we-actually-need-a-charlie-kirk
Jenna is talking about exactly what I was thinking. Too many questions, not enough good answers.
Where’s the guy he passed in the hallway?
I'd also like to know about this rifle that he supposedly had in his pants, but in one of the pictures, both legs are bent. Clothing different. Jaw is different from the supposed killer. Where's the rifle at coming down off the roof? Good points made in one of the videos where the rifle can't be taken apart quickly, nor would it be reassembled. In fact, I'm thinking he was a completely set up patsy, and the shooting was down on stage.
The people on his security staff are members of a pro-Israel organization, and the video taken from the left side of the stage (as you're standing at the stage) seems to show a number of people doing hand signals, and one having a suspicious device under his left arm pointing towards Charlie Kirk, and then pulls it out and puts it in his pants.
MANY links in this one comment here: https://www.vigilantfox.com/p/rfk-jr-reveals-unforgettable-details/comment/156166278?r=ow5al Unfortunately, many appear to be links to people who link to one video. But there are a few others in there. Apologies.
Less than 200 yards, with a scoped .30-06, is literally child’s play. As in, my 12 year old could have made that shot.
The hit to the neck supports the idea of a minimally competent shooter.
Nobody aims for the neck. Normal targets would be the head, or upper center chest.
Robinson either hit a few inches low, or a few inches high.
I’m not disagreeing with you but they got on the roof with a dissembled rifle,
Assembled it, took the shot, dissembled the rifle, escaped, reassembled the rifle, hid it in the woods, escaped, and then was arrested wearing the same clothes days later… um… okay
I have a reply from Economist Bob in my email, that is not showing up here. In that reply, he says perfect shots from two football fields are not child’s play, and if they were the Army would not give out marksmanship badges.
So I’ll reply to that, here.
I shot Expert on Navy rifle course, but only Sharpshooter on the Army course. But, the Army course used pop-up targets, which only stayed up for a couple seconds at 50-100 meters, and a few seconds longer at 150, 200, 250, and 300 meters. Shooter has to recognize the target has popped up, move sights to target, and engage under a time limit.
I scored 33 out of 40, IIRC, with iron sights on an M16, on the Army course. Missed Expert by a couple.
Now, make that a scoped rifle, against a stationary, seated target.
My 12 year old, when he was 11, could put a .243 within a couple inches of the bull at 100 yards.
Geometry says he’d have been within 6” or less at 200 yards.
And like I said, I don’t think the sniper’s shot was perfect. I expect that he wanted a certain effect, like Thomas Crooks did before him, and that he was going for a head shot…. and missed by a few inches but still scored a lethal hit.
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-shooting-map-site-2128087
There is a view here of what the shooter’s perspective would have been.
Angle is not a problem.
I’m sorry I do not believe a word the MSM says. Have you seen the area? I know someone who goes to school there and took a picture from standing on top of the terrace down to where he was sitting. I’m going with no.
Why make this same comment repeatedly, like a bot?
It’s replying to different people. Most don’t come back and read later comments. Thanks for asking.
I agree. Whoever took that shot was very experienced sniper.
Too many similarities to the Trump patsy who disappeared.
I'm not saying TR did it, even though I think it very likely he would have given the opportunity, but you don't need to be a trained sniper to make that shot.
It's an average range shot for a .30-06 and the rifle, although just an average deer rifle, is entirely capable of it. I have a half dozen nephews in their late teens and 20's who take and make successful shots like that on game animals all the time. None of them have been formally trained.
Everyone I know is saying this very thing. -WE ARE NOT GETTING THE TRUTH. -We got everything wrapped up and neatly handed to the masses with a bow on top in less than 48 hours!!
But career criminals in DC in our congress with so much evidence a train couldn’t push through it, walk the halls spewing their utter BS about can’t we all get along. And not ONE charge against ONE of them in 9 months…so far.
So ya. Many of us are sneering at the lack of truth we are being spoon fed.
Roger Stone and others are saying this was the act of a foreign country or an international organization. This guy was just the Patsy.
People who think this tranny guy did it also believe Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
Like many others, we won’t ever find out the truth. Because we can’t handle it? Probably
John Cullen is doing his usual deep forensic analysis on the rifle, the ballistics, and other matters:
https://x.com/i_am_johncullen/status/1967653664627233090?s=46
There is a video out there showing a flash from another building. I can’t remember who posted it. It was difficult to watch because it shows Charlie getting hit. I can’t stop crying.
@Fedup…Jeff reported that a group is being investigated. Did you read that part?
Do you have a group you believe is responsible?
Beyond anything else, we now have proof that the Left is in favor of the DEATH PENALTY without trial for everyone they judge to be an impediment
Right? Trump can’t bomb a boat of drug dealers in the ocean headed to our shores because they weren’t given due process first but shooting Kirk is OK and our fault? Where was HIS due process for the crimes they feel he committed???
They are not simple "Drug Dealers", but a symbol of a connectd world. Just as the world has grown smaller through instant communication and global flights, and international corporations, so organized crime in the many ways, especially the global Cartels, have infiltrated nation states and are a deeply corrupting influence threatening local and national governments.
wonder how many of the 56% would agree that violence from the right against the left is also justified - when you abandon God itis easy to abandon the Golden Rule
And….isn’t this the same Left that keeps screaming about gun control? 🤔
But letting them ‘off the hook’ is not Justice. Those guilty should be hanged in the marketplace.
you really need to get out of your bubble - virtually 100% of the violence in America comes from leftists now and always has
sorry Bob - the left has been in control of Congress, where laws are made, for a lot more time than conservatives - you might want to follow Mark Twain's advice - if you keep your mouth shut people will only assume that you are a fool - if you open it then all doubt will be removed
Some of the left, anyway.
i'd say it's a prerequisite for many politicians in deep Blue areas at this point; UNLESS the astute Left (Jerad Polis) play calm and simply keep moving underhandedly (as he has for decades) and smiling so that they'll find themselves at the new "center"--that actually seems like a stratagem for moderate-appearing progressive statesmen to arise, especially as they agitate for some extreme rightwing reactionary response to bear out their claims of FACISM. In fact let's see who on the Left advocates for death penalty in this case--that would indicate much.
What a great article today Jeff, we can rely on you for such pertinent info. I'm listening to a Brian Cates stream right now, and he pointed out that the Luciferian cult made the decision to take out a voice for light and reason, but there were unintended consequences. Their minions who were trapped in the dark wavelength could not contain themselves and let loose their glee with the murder of a good man.
The segment of the population that was not totally under the dark spiritual spell saw this, and recoiled from it. It has caused many to come to their senses. Some who have never read the Bible have opened it for the first time.
We are witnessing The Great Awakening.
Hallelujah.
The Rutgers study found that “56% of those who self-identified as left of center reported that, if someone murdered Donald Trump, they would be at least somewhat justified.”
But we all know that there are smart people out there who know better than to unveil themselves. I suspect the real number is closer to 70%.
Yes, that's a large percentage of a small segment of the population, thankfully.
Is there any indication that the suspect was involved in any Luciferian cult?
OR that those craven and pathetic ass-clowns (minions?) that celebrated Charlie's death are? Or that they all are under a "dark spiritual spell"?
Self-inflicted wounds often cut deepest. Punishing, cancelling, and ostracizing others based on opinions is an honest visceral and altogether miscalculated response, no matter how idiotic the commenter or ensuing appalling remarks (barring serious threats). I’ve seen that movie. As a matter of fact I got up and tried to walk out, but I was forced to stay. I’m not interested in the sequel.
Are we free speech advocates or aren’t we? We can’t have it both ways. One thing we should have learned over the last few years is that the more the morons open their drain holes the easier it is to identify them as morons. (Rejoicing over the killing of a decent human being officially registers you as a certified card carrying pathetic moron. You can skip the exam). I don’t want my enemies lurking in the shadows. I want them in broad daylight wildly proclaiming their particular brand of stupidity in thunderous and majestic fashion. (Please, by all means, keep giving Keith Olbermann a microphone). Additionally - and this is just my personal viewpoint - someone else’s opinion of me or my beliefs is none of my business. Conversely, my opinion of someone else or their beliefs shouldn’t be any of their business…and certainly shouldn’t have such an earth shattering negative impact to warrant physical retribution, let alone a bullet. My opinion should in no way carry that much weight. “Sir, I’m afraid you elevate my importance.” It’s a slippery slope. We’re dancing with Orwell while serenading Huxley by adopting this as dogma.
In, arguably, saner times it was: “Less filling!”...”Tastes great!”..........nobody died.
I'd rather see and hear the idiots, than read about their cancelation and removal. A little freedom of speech never hurt. I can reach my own conclusions, I think.
Sorry but people who state that murder is acceptable for wrong think who are in high trust positions such as doctors, nurses, teachers etc should be removed from their positions. They could act on those ideas with their students or patients.
They can be fired from their positions
It just shouldn't be the government stopping their right to speech. We know where that leads.
Jasmine, free speech does not protect inciting violence. Jeff did an excellent article within the last two days about this.
Agree - free speech does not include inciting violence! I just think that we have to be very careful about what the government does at this stage. Crackdown on hateful speech (that doesn't incite violence) is not good in the long term.
agreed, or in the short term either.
I don’t think we can “fire” our way out of this. The accelerationists will just be driven underground. Ideas are always impossible to kill unless they are openly encountered by a better idea. Read John Stuart Mill’s “On Liberty”.
They did. Some were recorded making their classroom of kids watch the assassination over and over while preaching against fascism and its consequences to the class.
That’s unconscionable. Subjecting anyone to watch violence, especially children is so wrong on so many levels.
Heard about that, made me sick.
That’s unconscionable. Subjecting anyone to watch violence, especially children is so wrong on so many levels.
I have not heard this. Just when the depravity of man (or woman) could not get worse, it does. If I was a parent of a student in a class with a teacher that did this, I would press charges against said teacher for abuse.
That’s unconscionable. Subjecting anyone to watch violence, especially children is so wrong on so many levels.
Wow
Jeff did a great post in the last day or two articulating the difference between free speech and inciting violence.
I agree that people in high trust positions should be held accountable.
However, it's a slippery slope that echoes "cancel culture."
Perhaps the best solution is to simply give all these people who celebrate death the OJ Simpson treatment: ostracize and shame them.
Shun & shame them. This is what the Amish do. (Thanks to Robert Barnes, Esq.)
It's not cancel culture to be fired for promoting murder. It's a company finally showing some character. They don't want to have such deranged people working for them, representing them, being a danger to other workers. This is not an attack on free speech. This is an acknowledgement that one of the 10 commandments still stands. We can't regulate what is inside their heart and minds but we can give them consequences.
And they did! Some were recorded forcing their kids to watch the assassination over and over while they preached the consequences of fascism.
I agree. And to my thinking, that is not "cancelling" these leftists. We are just pointing out and amplifying their own words on social media. Their employers then see those posts and choose to terminate them because they do not uphold the values of those organizations (like decency, empathy, reason, logic, Hippocratic oath, etc.) Juxtapose this with when people simply tried to post facts about Covid or vaccines that were kicked on social media, lost jobs, debanked, harassed by the FBI and more. Now, THAT is Cancel Culture.
Yes indeed. Check this out from a veterinarian. Know who is taking care of your beloved pets.
This is what was posted on FB from Christopher Rispoli a veterinarian in Edmond, Oklahoma. I was not able to copy the image so I had to type it. They have taken down his picture on the clinic website.
https://www.gentlecareah.net/
He wrote, " Charlie Kirk, right wing stupid fuck maga activist shot unalived on Utah campus. He is only the first! Could we actually be getting smart and culling the sick ones!!! Oh gosh, I want the offer his family "my thoughts and prayers"!!"He ends with 3 images of a hand with the middle finger raised.
Please reach out to the American Veterinary Medical Association:
Customer service: 1 (800) 248-2862Headquarters: 1931 North Meacham Road, Suite 100, Schaumburg, IL 60173-4360avmagrd@avma.org
OR the Oklahoma Veterinary Medical Association:
Address: 13917 Quail Pointe Dr, Oklahoma City, OK 73134Phone: (405) 478-1002Phone: (405) 478-1002
Fax: (405) 478-7193
He is free to say what he wants and you are equally free to disregard it. When you begin to silence speech of any kind, you are asking the powers that be to allow only what YOU prefer but that could easily change after one election. Suddenly your religious beliefs, your medical beliefs could be silenced. People say stupid, hateful stuff daily. You were given a mind(I think) to discern what you accept and don't as truth. Doxing is just as evil as anything that person said.
Yes he is and it is good we know who he is and what he stands for.
Completely irrelevant. The point of this is to show there are no longer two sets of rules. If you get our side fired for wrong think, we'll get your side fired for celebrating a murder.
No one on the right wants this, we'd all like to go back to the public square where ideas are debated, and the better argument prevailed. But the left decided they were going to change the rules.
So you can sit back and boast about what a good person you are and how "tolerant" you are of people celebrating murder. Good for you, you get a gold star. In the mean time, people that actually understand what time it is are showing the left there are immediate consequences for their civilization destroying behavior.
When the left wants to go back to the old rules, the right will be happy to do so. But not a moment before, the days of two sets of rules are over.
100%
There is no going back. And what we are going toward no one knows. If the old way condoned the assassination of a man in front of thousands of people including his wife and very small children maybe it was a flawed way. Agree or disagree as you will with Charlie Kirk. The indisputable fact is he was killed for nothing more than using his words.
There is no going back. And what we are going toward no one knows. If the old way condoned the assassination of a man in front of thousands of people including his wife and very small children maybe it was a flawed way. Agree or disagree as you will with Charlie Kirk. The indisputable fact is he was killed for nothing more than using his words.
There is no going back. And what we are going toward no one knows. If the old way condoned the assassination of a man in front of thousands of people including his wife and very small children maybe it was a flawed way. Agree or disagree as you will with Charlie Kirk. The indisputable fact is he was killed for nothing more than using his words.
There is no going back. And what we are going toward no one knows. If the old way condoned the assassination of a man in front of thousands of people including his wife and very small children maybe it was a flawed way. Agree or disagree as you will with Charlie Kirk. The indisputable fact is he was killed for nothing more than using his words.
There is no going back. And what we are going toward no one knows. If the old way condoned the assassination of a man in front of thousands of people including his wife and very small children maybe it was a flawed way. Agree or disagree as you will with Charlie Kirk. The indisputable fact is he was killed for nothing more than using his words.
The idiot parade will march on in perpetuity. An unstoppable force. I give them ample space.
I don't pay attention to any sad sacks/lefties/anyone who celebrates CKs death event. If you have time, have at it. Most people have things to get on with.
“Idiot Parade” classic
EXCEPT in the classroom. I agree that I can cancel my banker/accountant/retailer who posts heinous things. But if parents are to trust those who have influence over their children, and whose taxes pay their salary, these people need to be fired.
Everything I do now when I hire someone is find out if they are dem or rep or independent. if they are lib or dem, i will not hire them.
Don’t think so. They need to become irrelevant by having the school budget taken away from them. $ should be attached to the student, not to the teachers union and education bureaucracy.
You’re pushing for coexist.
Absolutely cowardly.
We cannot exist with those who want us DEAD.
It’s the same with these idiots on here who hate Israel. Now they’re even blaming Israel for Charlie’s death.
Beyond stupid.
Israel cannot continue to coexist with those who want their destruction and neither can WE.
It isn't Israeli people but the Israeli gov't that people are pointing fingers at. There were Zionist groups funding Kirk but he began to turn away their funding after the genocide in Gaza. The intentional deaths of thousands is not a very Christian thing to do, and counter to his message. Who knows what the truth is? You can accept the official story if that makes you content.
This guy is a prime example- hope he's looking for another job.
https://x.com/DOGE__news/status/1966622852808860020
He was put on leave and resigned a week later - this was in February. What a nut job! https://x.com/The_Facts_Dude/status/1966646063042904332
Interesting. Major TDS. Retards all of them.
https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/charlie-kirk-guilt-trip-grid-as-of?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F81b355f7-ef37-475e-ba6e-23faf906cd65_1174x1242.png&open=false Apparently, Rep Clay Higgins desires we become like the CCP. Next, he'll introduce the social credit system. Be careful what you say and what you think. Big Brother is watching and listening.
Celia is doing great pieces on this sad topic.
Lots of politicians "admire" the CCP, including the former head of the WEF, Klaus Schwab.
The Chinese social credit system is digital slavery. It can also be seen as "racist" since you are required to have a bank account, and many minorities don't have one.
So... what can each one of us do? A few simple things. Use cash as much as possible. Encourage your friends to do so. Talk to people about why you're using cash.
So. Damnegard hates Israel.
Isn’t it amazing that one tiny group of people could be so hated.
The WORD tells us that has ALWAYS been true. Hated because HE loves Israel.
Damned gaard seems to be a part of those Satanic forces of hatred
No, as stated earlier. The people are not the problem. The gov't is. You view Israel's gov't with very rose colored glasses.
Screw BB-hope they are listening.
Interesting stuff.
If an employer is so disgusted by an employee's speech or behavior that they are moved to fire them, that is both just and reasonable. One cannot insist on free speech for the employee while constraining the employer to tolerate the intolerable.
There MUST be way in which a civil society enforces norms, such as not cheering murders and murderers, or there will never be any hope that this behavior can be self-extinguished.
In the past, shaming was the process by which our society enforced Christian-based norms. which led to a society that had few out-of-wedlock births, fewer broken marriages, less drug addiction, few abortions and so on.
Today, shame and cancelation is one tool by which the demonic enforce THEIR norms of tolerance for perversion, refusal to accept responsibility and even reality and so on. Because it works.
If they are at work, they need to keep their mouths shut as they are being paid to work, not yammer on about politics.
What if they are at home and not at work?
At home, let them say what they want. At work you keep our mouth shut and work.
Maybe not cancelled, but fired from their jobs and shamed publicly……YES
Punishment? How about stocks? Pillory? Pranger? Ducking Stool? Or watching The View.
I don't want my enemies lurking in the shadows. I also don't want them recruiting oatmeal heads to their radical sickness and creating even more enemies who have no boundaries to their actions. Cultural anarchy does not lead to peaceful coexistance. Ceding authority to vipers does not make for a balanced and fair world. There is nothing wrong with loudly declaring what is good and right life-affirming and doing our best using all our power to constrain those who declare that evil is good and good is evil.
First, constrain with debate and argument. If that doesn't work, then...?
Charlie Kirk tried that.
They KILLED HIM.
Shot him in the throat to silence his voice.
Demons cannot be shamed into doing what is right.
Who is "they"? That is the question. A LOT we don't know.
One way to counteract evil: cement shoes.
then lock and load for personal safety when things get that out of hand. protection for ones self and family.
Well, they're quite burrowed into the dark shadows and they are planning evil things which you'll not know until it happens. That is the internet, the dark web, gaming, social media and they lurk quite well.
This is a WAR, sure we can foolishly allow our enemies "Freedom of Speech" to attack us and agitate their side while demeaning ours, saying our children should be raped and killed and all other manner of Culture War talk, but this WAR of Words accompanies a very real war being waged upon a witless West. Washington did not tolerate Tories, nor did Lincoln suffer Confederates, yet both were highly criticized but at some point you must declare war and take proper measures against those who want to kill and enslave you. These are Domestic Enemy Terrorist Groups some funded by Foreign Criminal Gangs and States. They have no fundamental right to Freedom of Speech, Assembly, or anything else and are in fact enemy combatants.
It seems that you are advocating for our government determining what speech is acceptable. That is a dangerous road to walk down. Let our European neighbors experiment with “hate speech” laws … I prefer to live in the land of the free.
Indeed, as in using term "Invasion" for Biden-Mayorkus policies, our enemies are at war with us and we refuse to accept it. Rather we go shopping, to school or church or to a music-beer festival and accept that Criminal elements have been activated to attack us-- and then blandly call it a rise in crime and mental-health based violence. War merits a War Department to counter attack Enemies--and NOT like GW Bush admin. monitoring Islamophobia and promoting Ramadan. The Left-Dems have made it clear what they want to do to our "free speech" assembly and religion when it counters their aims. At some point there will be a critical mass of this Leftist incitement and instructional-promotional shit of killing kids and elderly and how to attack and bomb your local hospital type "speech" with ties to China-Russia-N. Korea-whothefu*kever, that we WILL have to fully engage it.
Sure a Rightwing Reactionary impulse is very imperfect and plays into their plot as well, they'd love optics of having adherents disappeared by Death Squads. We can only straddle the razor wire fence for so long before populace demands it be crushed forcefully. Lets be serious and take lesser steps now--or do we chance seeing paramilitary skinhead-like supremacists actually rise in popularity to deal with it since the "moderate middle" won't?
Obama-Biden-& EU LEFTIST Parties openly arbitrate free-speech for their own purposes and then allocate it to their supporters (donors, corporations, Jihadis, Communists) while stifling all opposition by various means with minimal justification and idiotic arguments. Sure, they likely plant a bad apple in an opposition party so they can later axe them to the ground, and we've seen some of that too, but Leftists can NEVER be trusted to run Govt. nor ensure Freedom.
Freely Criticize and insult Kirk's ideas, mannerisms, business and politics without repercussion, that is your God-given Right. Throw out words of support for attacking and killing of Americans and you've elevated your status to THREAT level. The "HE HAD it COMING" argument can be fine as long standing by itself, but when embellished and justified and disseminated as a weapon to further incite rather than dissuade, then the fuller context turns criminal. Do it during a period of violent outbreaks and attacks (like after Sumter was smoldering) and you've likely chosen to side with and give aid and comfort to the ENEMY. When did the Constitution spell out upholding the Rights of Enemies? So in the "Unrestricted Free Speech for ALL!" template, Enemies may be given cover and protection even as they incite and propagandize and organize attacks like a Crime Boss suggesting someone go fishing in the East River later this week. FINE--then let them be fully scrutinized to ensure they don't put one toe across the "line" to materially support, condone, direct, or approve an attack. Sorry but use of internet in these cases drastically lowers the burden of proof of criminality and possible "enemy" status. We're not officially "AT WAR" so we face curbing this the easy way (firings, disciplinary action, civil suits) or fostering it to incubate and later spontaneously combust into a more widespread mass-murder front.
How do YOU know who is pulling the strings? From where I sit, I see a lot of manipulation of both sides in an effort to perpetuate division, allow removal of freedoms of all kinds, allow permanent surveillance. You are ready to go to war but against who? The enemy you've been convinced of by media? Keeping people in a permanent state of fear and hatred makes for a very compliant public that isn't looking at who is doing the manipulation.
i agree that we trust none in power and to not allow Hate or Fear rule, but when we see everyday Democrats turning into Leftists ruled by Hate and Fear, lapping up propaganda and defending murder, invasion, burning of cities, then it must be forcefully countered. Defense through inaction, "live and let live" wishful thinking, and sitting on hands only brings on more of this horseshit and spews it out just like a no bail catch and release policy for the repeat offender who commits 60-140 infractions and crimes annually.
This!!!!!
Wisest comment made all day.
I too have concerns over the implications of free speech. Firing folks who glorify murder is not one of them though. Free speech protections relate to government abridgement thereof, not private to any private employer. I think we deserve to know which teachers, doctors and other health-swrvice providers, EMTs, soldiers, police and others disavow the rule of law. After all prior to this tragedy we saw pro-folks we now refer to as Palestinians doctors and other health service providers posting things that called into question their ability to provide care to Jews.
Yupper. It can get knotty for sure. It's not without its challenges.
Freedom of speech, like due process, freedom of religion, freedom.of assembly, are useless if they have no universally accepted definition. The feelz folk demonstrate why. We sorely need meaningful instruction in civil rights, privileges, immunities and exceptions.
At least they were honest. A doc posted he hated CK. Could you imagine him wanting to treat a MAGA or pro Trump?
No. It has strengthened my already substantial concerns regarding health service personnel. And in a way for the same reason - I simply cannot trust folk who believe without question what they are told to provide quality care.
Let them speak! But firing those same retards, especially those retards that have interaction with the general public, is a as just as anything can be. I have no problem with it. They tend to then speak more, and label themselves forever.
We have the freedom to say whatever we want and not be imprisoned for it, but we do not have some right to avoid all natural consequences, including social.
And that goes for both sides. Many in the center and on the right spoke truth with a knowledge of the social consequences and they willingly sacrificed their own careers and reputations to speak truth. But it was spoken. It was heard. And I believe God will restore tenfold what they lost while punish those who spoke the lies to the same degree. The point is both were free to speak.
True Juju, yet free speech is not absolute, and inciting violence is not protected speach.
Absolutely agree
I am for all free speech, no matter how heinous. If someone is hormoned up playing a furry or a madman sitting on a train, they already had a predilection for violence. They also do not have the Holy Spirit in them and that is the bigger issue. This trans furry hated Christians so there you go.
Do people who HATE Israel and blame them for everything really have the Holy Spirit? Israel is now being blamed, in this substack, for Charlie’s death.
Demonic forces have ALWAYS done this.
Do, please tell me.
Do these lying demons have the RUACH?
I don't know what a ruach is.
Didn't I read on this very site just a few days back that the Bluesky people were being foolish for saying Speech is violence? What a difference a day and one killing makes. Now everyone is ready to silence anyone who says something disgusting or violent.
"Now everyone is ready to silence anyone who says something disgusting or violent"
Words have meaning and your assertion is clerarly wrong and has zero context. Give examples.
Colin Kaepernick silenced by the NFL for his beliefs, James Gunn for remarks made years before but since rehired, Kevin Hart for comments about homosexuals was removed from hosting Academy Awards, Kanye West for his silly remarks about Hitler, JK Rowling for comments on Transgenders, Roseann Barr lost her eponymous show for comments she made. Words have meaning, absolutely, but you have a mind and are capable of ignoring them or speaking against words you don't like. If your goal is to prevent all negative events that occur because of someone else's words, you have a tough job ahead of you. Countering bigotted, violent speech with reason, showing people where they are wrong, while not always effective for everyone, still provides open dialogue rather than sending it to dark sites that continue the discussion without counter arguments. I want to know who my enemies are, not hidden. When Kimmel and Colbert were pushing the jabs, I was grateful for access to those who told me (with evidence) about the negative effects, though moneyed interests sure tried to stop that information. Asking gov't to censor could lead to only one side getting to you--the side they want you to believe.
Let them talk. But it’s not without consequences. If you go up to your boss and tell her you would like nothing more than to ravish her on her desk, shes entitled to fire you. Or rock your world. Point is, free speech means we can’t and never should outlaw it. But it can be costly. Why should that be an issue?
We are nothing without consequences.
Case in point, those that fought closing up there businessed during covid like the NJ gym owner and NJ hit him with fines up the ying yang.
Agreed. But cancelling, as Rep. Clay Higgins wants is psychotic. He wants to prevent you from ever making a living, driving a car, exiling to a world where you can't exist literally. His stupid idea would create people with NOTHING to lose by committing real violence.
I am struggling with similar free speech concepts although my comment did not address the issue as well as yours.
Thanks, it helps me organize my thoughts
No, we are not free speech advocates. Anyone who advocates Satanic or anti-Christian ideas should be punished.
Do you really still believe in free speech after watching previously pro-speech leftists deplatform and censor everyone on the right? "Free speech" is their mode of attack when they are weak. And then when they are strong there is no free speech.
You are either a leftist troll or a complete moron. In the real world there is no free speech; there is only the choice of which speech codes are going to get enforced.
Okay.. one against the Constitution. 🤣
WHA? Can you imagine a gov't stating your ideas about a particular vaccine are satanic? Yes, it was Satan that made you say that Covid25 shots are bad and no one should take them. YOU must be punished. Clearly, your medical beliefs are anti-Christian. Lock 'em up. Be careful what you wish for.
"Anyone who advocates anti-Christian ideas should be punished."
You just exposed yourself as a low-intellect radical imbecile lunatic skidmark.
So two-thirds of world population, who do NOT believe in "christianity" should be punished? How... prison? torture? Execution?
Crawl back under your slimy rock, ahole. You should be in an asylum, once they re-open.
Unfortunately these loons posted about others by name they wanted to see targeted, which is inciting more violence.
The left has and is depending on voices such as your's.
Grateful that Jeff Childers' pointed out the astroturfed "both sides" narrative that President Trump rightly rejected. However he didn't mention that two of the worst offenders were phony red-state conservatives including Utah Gov. Cox and Oklahomo Senator Lankford. Both of these despicable turds trotted out the "both sides need to tone down the rhetoric" garbage on Sunday. Alabama Senator Katie Britt (our own DEI hire) did the same a few days earlier but has since retreated with her tail between her legs.
These people are at best cowardly controlled opposition, likely something much, much worse. Cox has pronouns in his bio and vetoed legislation forbidding men in women's sports. Lankford we all remember from the phony border bill McConnel tried to push through but was thankfully stopped by public outrage.
The purpose of these people is to appear to be the "reasonable" Republican while selling us out. Lankford is the absolute worst, a moralizing, phony Christian who continuously tells us it's God's will that our communities be destroyed by an invasion of criminal illegal aliens and low-IQ, unemployable, third-world peasants. He is a master of manipulating decent Christians through guilt.
People better wake up and realize just how they are being emotionally manipulated into participating in their own destruction.
I see NO democrat as reasonable. If they were, they would have abandoned the party when they saw the rot and decay forming and thriving.
I guess I wasn't clear enough, Cox, Lankford, and Britt are all Republicans elected by large majorities in red states. That's the problem. We all know Democrats are insane.
We need to clean up the garbage on our own side. Having a RINO from a blue state is one thing, but these people are from Utah, Oklahoma, and Alabama. Even Susan Collins knew better than to spout this stuff. Our side has been infiltrated.
Oh yes, tis true.
I wonder if Cox is waking up, and starting to see the truth. If not then yeah, he’s just playing the same game. It’s really hard to tell. But it’s always possible he was rattled awake?? Idk…
I don't think so, he has a long history of deceitfulness including how he got the nomination in the first place. Mormons, for all their positive character traits, are far too trusting of those claiming to be in their clan. Many Christians share the same fault.
The only one who deserves a benefit of the doubt IMO is Britt. She's an airhead who's in over her head and went out and mouthed the usual "can't we all get along" platitudes. The base was in no mood for it and she's kept her mouth shut since. Hopefully she learned a lesson.
Very well put!!!
Senator Shelby hand picked Britt. He couldn’t get elected in Alabama as a Democrat so he changed parties. Many democrats in Al wear red, think blue and vote blue.
Good morning, C&C. Please continue to pray for each other and our country.
Mrs. "the Knife"
And pray for churches across America. We have too many pastors misleading their sheep, false prophets. I watch clips of the beautiful remembrance services conducted yesterday and break down in tears because the church I chose to attend in Austin, TX yesterday did not deliver that at all, and I felt robbed of the mourning time I really needed with fellow Christians. I was surrounded by a cold and heartless congregation that couldn’t care less and treated the service and the day like it was any other insignificant Sunday of the year. Out of the 400-600 people there, I was the only one crying. The pastor chose to criticize Charlie for using an unkind tone when he spoke and then warned that the answer to that was not violence. (I gasped and said out loud “no he didn’t!”) Then he proceeded to give a sermon that amounted to shaming anyone with anger over this and what the proper way to “fight”looked like. The sermon was wrapped in enough truth that my son was confused by my despair when we left, and my description that it was “empty”. I felt so alone in that church yesterday and then this morning I see videos of what other churches did and it was the exact loving response I yearned for yesterday and needed this weekend. Maybe my experience was necessary so that I’d highlight and warn about these false prophets and lost, liberal pastors that are misleading their flock? So that we all remain aware there were a LOT of churches that did NOT offer their congregations a chance to mourn or pray for Charlie’s family? It’s sick.
We need to pray for these pastors and their churches. We need to pray that their congregations wake up.
These are the same pastors who promoted the covid cult and speak not against moral evil.
I was going to comment on just that. I’ve been prickly about organized religion for years, but covid cemented those feelings for me.
There is a simple solution to this: if it's possible, start looking for a church that aligns more with what you believe. If that means driving a bit farther one day a week, it's worth it.
Yes we thought that’s what we were doing. Their statement of faith aligned but their actions did not. You don’t realize these things until you go in person.
Thank you for bringing this up--I share your feeling of despair, as Charlie Kirk's name was not mentioned once (directly or even indirectly) at my church this weekend. I could not believe it--I am just feeling abolute shock, disgust, and despair. It helps me to know that someone else experienced the same (if that makes sense). I am at a loss.
A dear friend of mine in our community here commented that it was good that it happened because now we know for my son to stay clear of that church, to see it was a dead church. Not empty of bodies, dead in spirit. That Charlie’s death was a great litmus test to expose those kinds of churches. She’s a wise friend.
Same. My church made no mention. Shameful. I plan on sending my deacon this ….you may want to do the same.
https://youtu.be/u0G9Raf6Fms
WOW! This church has really got it going on for active ministry. I wish I lived closer.
Mine has a "policy" of no "political" commentary from the pulpit. I understand that position in a general sense, but was similarly saddened by a very general opening comment about the "events of last week."
It’s a terrible policy. Speak to what your congregation is struggling with, political or not. Separation of church and state was to keep the state out of the church, not the church out of the state.
Churches in America (generally speaking) have gone soft. The result is no 10 Commandments in schools, secular humanism, Darwinism, breakdown of morals and the family, transgenderism and homosexuality, lawlessness, and more. What good are churches if they don’t take a stance in the public square? What the churches have done is allowed evil to fill the void they left. I blame the pastors.
I love what our priest said yesterday in his homily. He kept his remarks very brief, beginning by saying there’s a lot of evil and violence in our world (indisputably). But then he said that Charlie Kirk had brought many, many people, and mostly young people, to know Jesus. And for that we need to continue the work Charlie began.
Never said anything derogatory or inappropriate…
Find another church. One where the pastor is a shepherd warning and protecting his flock of the dangers in the world and teach the sheep how to speak the truth in love (like Charlie).
And I would add, you need to find a different church. One that is Bible based I might add.
Sorry to hear please find another church there are some great ones online to watch in the meantime check out pastor Gary Hamrick cornerstone Christian and pastor Jack Hibbs maybe start your own church by renting out a building space on Sundays and show one of the above services online and grow your own community that way?
Might be time to find another church. I attended a biblical church on Sunday. The elder prayed for Charlie Kirk, his family, those hurting, aborted babies and the world. I think I've found a new home. Thanks, Charlie!
Please tell us the name of the church.
Lake Hills Church
The reviews for it were good and said everything my young 20-something son was looking for. Of course many liberal, politically correct churches are LOVED by their congregation and they review them accordingly.
He desires to find an active young adult community because he is alone out here and unconnected. I heard the desperation in his voice when he said “mom it doesn’t matter what the pastor said, give these people credit to have a mind of their own”. He doesn’t understand the importance of church leadership yet, or how it influences the flock. Maybe he’s right in some aspects but I think what I saw Sunday was enough to be concerned for how he would be led. I could be wrong, but I am advising him to keep looking.
🙏🙏🙏
Yes.
"Kirk’s life work was built on the idea that violence happens when people stop talking. He was relentless about creating spaces for conversation — not just with those who agreed with him, but with those who disagreed most fiercely. He gave everyone a chance to speak: all ideas, all faiths, all backgrounds were welcome. While so many voices in politics thrive on shutting opponents down, Kirk insisted on the opposite: sit down and talk it through. Debate. Challenge. Use words, not fists."
I have been advocating for P.S.Ds. (Presidential Sponsored Debates). In my view, the single best way President Trump can honor Charlie Kirk is to establish monthly P.S.Ds. where all the issues are talked about.
The radical left is afraid of rational debate. As part of the panel debating, if it could be done respectfully, I would advocate for an AI version of Mr. Kirk to, using his words, advocate for those positions he so competently supported.
Topics would be wide-ranging, covering all germane issues:
* Global Warming
* Vaccines - Health care
* Individual Liberty and God-given rights
* Transgender issues
* Free Speech
* Foreign relations
* Immigration
* Toxic Masculinity
* Education
* Crime and Culture
* Lawfare and the legal system
* Happiness (What culture ideals make for lasting happiness vs. temporary happiness ending in misery)
BTW, the last is far more important than first thought of. Indeed, it is essential, as those values and philosophies that bring lasting happiness are universal to human nature and absolutely essential for society to prosper. This is detailed in the always free, not a news feed, article titled "Does Power Corrupt?" https://open.substack.com/pub/anderdaa7/p/does-absolute-power-corrupt?r=slvym&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
AI is GIGO. I wouldn't trust it.
A local tire shop has on it's sign, "We use AI. Actual Intelligence."
There are many reasons for caution with AI, and there are many potential excellent uses as well. There is no doubt it is coming, and some folk with true morality had best become very proficient at both AI, and detecting AI misuse.
I hesitated to place that in my comment, however the temptation to have Charlie Kirk's calm articulate and cogent words instantly available and spoken to an international audience, (PSDs would be watched around the world) is to great to resist, and the inane crazies may well melt on the spot.
Some think he went off the reservation recently with his comments about Gaza and Oct 7. They think he was martyred to keep him quiet by the enemies of free speech.
Think the "cult" that wants to outlaw antisemitism.
Sorry Ken but I think that nonsense. Please see a recent post at Conservative Treehouse.https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/09/14/three-background-facets-in-the-charlie-kirk-assassination/
I read it. Very well explained. Except for the part when they absolutely state who killed Charlie and why. Sorry, but they only know what the FBI has said and done, and released publicly. And we all know the FBI are transparent and completely trustworthy. 🙄
So would you call yourself a nihilist, given that you don’t believe the FBI could change under new leadership and be reformed?
Oh I think it can change….but I doubt we are there yet. And no….i don’t think they deserve to be 100% believed about everything at this point. Unfortunately new leadership has to undo a criminal leadership and put up with our distrust until they prove otherwise. So far I don’t see much difference between this shooter and Trumps shooter. Same quickness. Same unanswered questions and doubtful explanations. And then just as quickly it all disappeared. Why do we automatically trust what they say now. 🤔
Trump was a candidate when shot. The FBI was completely captured at that point. It was the Demonrat’s FBI. Now there’s different leadership, and while I certainly agree that there are still plenty of bad actors to be removed, I believe it’s better now, with the potential for becoming much better.
Sunndaze, please read a little deeper, as, afaik, Sundance (the authors pen name) has written deeply about the many connections to ANTIFA' - TRANTIFA, etc, and is well aware that he likely was more then just influenced, but had active plotters as well. Please quote your concerned point. (Ha Charlie often demanded to be quoted directly and in context.)
I read it just fine. I’m only pointing out the distrust of the fbi. For good reason. I’m very well aware of Antifa and this whole trans demonic activity and the influence it has over our young people. I think we have some of what went on, but not all. There are valid points to raise questions about who was actually involved. Not one of us knows for sure at this point. And we may never. JFK and 9/11 prove that. Just because a world leader says something….sorry. That isn’t sufficient for me to just believe it. Those days are over. Politicians lie. And quite easily and regularly. I’ve heard enough out of the mouths (Albeit online 🙄) to question everything. Knowing full well my opinion most likely isn’t correct either. I think if we actually get the whole truth and nothing but the truth -we’d find out nobody was 100% right. The truth would probably shock us all.
I was responding to this..."Except for the part when they absolutely state who killed Charlie and why" as I do not know what was stated that intimated the author had the entire answer?
What part? The part that there is a cult that wants to outlaw antisemitism?
S.558 - Antisemitism Awareness Act of 2025
It remains to be seen whether Charlie becomes a martyr or not. The coming rhetoric will determine the answer.
What is the name of this cult? Why be cute about it?
Pepe Escobar calls them the Zeocons. Sounds like a cult to me.
Is that cute enough for you?
Who are the Zeocons and what makes them a cult?
Clearly I was responding to the idea that some Jewish group assinated Charlie Kirk because he did not 100 percent support every act of the Jewish government. Did you read the linked article?
Enough. The entire incident seems fishy to me. As always, time will tell. We all know who assassinated Kennedy, but officialdom will never admit it. We will eventually all agree to what the truth is. I accept I may be wrong. But my belief is the enemy of humanity is behind this event.
Think MLK Jr. He was a useful idiot was he not?
Enogh of what? No, MLK was not. Speak plainly, who is this enemy of humanity.
For any Israel haters on here; maybe none are paid subscribers- but just in case- who have actually tried to use Charlie in their antisemitic attacks after his death; here is Charlie himself, so just stop that ghoulish nonsense!https://www.israelunwired.com/the-speech-about-israel-that-everyone-needs-to-hear/ I’ll be posting this again tomorrow and everytime the Jew haters try to use Charlie.
Willing Spirit ... you link to a video SIX years old.
How are you dating this video?
Figure it out for yourself.
I am not antisemetic. I am anticorruption. I have read The Great Red Dragon. I know what corruption is.
And according to The Great Red Dragon, what is corruption?
I suggest you read the book.
https://archive.org/details/greatreddragonor00wool
I suggest you read the Bible in its entirety.
Canada’s Munk debates make a good model.
I absolutely support this.
Our church was very full Sunday and our pastor had taken 10 minutes to discuss Charlie’s assassination and martyrdom. He encouraged all yo be like him and participate in local revival. It was great!
Our pastor said the same! And our church was full as well! The other thing our Pastor said was that God even uses tragedy for His triumph. Charlie most certainly did not die in vain! Bless God, for He is moving and doing even in the dark days.
My struggle, I realized over the weekend, with Charlie Kirk’s murder is this: there’s no single culprit. The blame spreads across the left—their rhetoric lit the fuse, their culture fed the madness. Yet without one face to indict, they all dodge: “wasn’t me!” They skate free, self-righteous. Meanwhile, the sickness rots on. The roots must be ripped out. And there must be a reckoning—not optional, but a moral imperative.
But where do you start when the guilty all hide in the crowd? How does anyone get held accountable? Yes, there’s some grim satisfaction in watching their sick adherents cancel their own careers, fired for gloating over the murder. But even that rings hollow—many of those fools were just as brainwashed by the same propaganda as the shooter. Where’s the justice in punishing pawns while the real architects walk away clean?
I’ve been struggling with this since his murder—traumatized by the images, consumed with fury at the source of this insanity. Is this our new America?
Satan is the culprit. Contemporary politics is just a visible analogue of the invisible war.
Where do you start? With the democrats.
Bernie Sanders, RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard are no longer Democrats.
Why is anyone else a Democrat?
I ask anyone who is a Democrat, why?
Bernie is just a dotty old man, however he identifies himself politically. The Dims have screwed him repeatedly and he just takes it in exchange for the coin. The absurdity of him flying around the country on private jets with AOC .....
the first one is a fanatic-do you see his eyes and gestures when he gets riled. last 2 are fine, they jumped shipped knowing they were on the titanic. Why is anyone else staying in that rot of a party, only Satan knows. I will give Fetterman some leeway as he seems to be somewhat reasonable.
Many are operating on outdated beliefs of the party.
"They're for the little guy."
"They're pro-worker"
"They care more about people"
And so on.
These beliefs are outdated, but... you can't reason with people, especially those who are not religious. Their political identity is their religion, and even if what they believe about their party is untrue, it doesn't matter. It's their faith
There was another that left the Democrat party I just cannot remember his name. Something Van Drew, or Drew Van something. Help me out… Anyone remember his name?
Hopefully the administration can prosecute the kingpins or at least claw back their money.
The Democrats in congress and the mainstream media who were constantly calling all conservatives fascists and worse may be hard to get too.
Let's hope enough people walk away from the Democratic party that they lose that way.
It starts with holding the MSM accountable for their lies. Can you say slanderous law suits?
Annnnd, when will the "retribution" crime spree start? The "free speech" advocates that were "unfairly" fired from their jobs for celebrating the MURDER of Charlie Kirk taking revenge and "becoming a god".
Happy Monday everyone!!! Delight in the Lord always!
Why does the party that screams to abolish gun ownership always finds a way to justify use of guns against conservatives?
My brother in law was diagnosed with Squamous Cell Carcinoma--after he took the ill advised vaccine. He went through conventional chemo and radiation and the tumor remained. It was in the back of his throat, so surgery was limited......and would not have been successful. Weirdly, my own brother died of this cancer in the 1980s so I know a little bit about it.
My BIL came and spoke with me about NOT doing surgery. I told him it was HIS choice, not the doctors. Then I began reading Dr Paul Marik's amazing book on Cancer. His logic is undeniable. I am a veterinarian and have been prescribing a combination of ivermectin and fenbendazole WITH full informed consent to clients who want it for their pets.
Based on Marik's book, my BIL was able to obtain IVM and Mebendazole(not in this country--it's $700/pill here because oncologists are ALREADY using it--not well publicized).
In May of 2023, he made his bucket list and was ready to die.
Today he looks better than he has in a long time. He's happy and healthy and has not gone back to his oncologist.
What worked? I don't know. I'm not a researcher. I just know he feels better and I credit Dr Paul Marik and his amazing book. It not only talks about specific medications, but also supplements and lifestyle. I recommend it for anyone dealing with cancer.......and find a doctor who will at least be on board about trying these things.
Find the substack of the 2nd Smartest Guy in the world. At the bottom of all his posts, he has a link to where you can buy veterinary IVM and Fenbendazole [similar to ]. BTW.... my husband is a chemist who used to work in the drug industry. Veterinary medicines ARE safe; we've both taken "the horse paste" and it's worked.
Dear doc,
Young golden recently dc’d w Ca. Where is the veterinary Tippens type protocol?
Unfortunately, there are no published protocols. I am totally winging it. I tried to consult with veterinary oncologists. The ones I spoke with are very closed minded and don't see ANY potential. I treated a prostate cancer dog with IVm/fenbendazole and it totally shrunk the tumor. Unfortunately, the dog was also in kidney failure at the time of diagnosis and that killed him. The cancer treatment worked. DM me here on Substack and I can discuss further.
https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/important-psa-update-virex-website
look at past pubs for Tippens
Andy Ngo has a lot of excellent investigative journalism into Trantifa at his substack.
I think he wrote a book on Antifa, now trantifa. He probably knows more about the terrorist group than anyone.
This is from two weeks ago:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/america-has-transtifa-problem
I am still immensely saddened by Charlie’s death. Not angry, but sad. I am saddened that our government has quickly crafted a narrative meant to promote all that social media is and has been advocating with every new political death. This follows a predictable pattern, and with every new discovery, I see the same thing. The Charlie Kirk alleged shooter and his story is so full of holes it could be made of Swiss cheese and yet we ignore the obvious as a new clue is dropped. Trans partner, manifesto, radicalized. We know so much about this kid and yet nothing about the attempted Presidential assassin , Crooks. And yet so many glaring questions remain that are glossed over. I don’t want to hear another assumption that anyone, even a novice could make that kill shot from that distance. A gun not easily disassembled was done so in minutes then put back together. Photos that do not match and so on and so on.
Most on here do not remember the JFK assassination or the MLK killing. They are eerily similar to this latest using modern technologies but the playbook hasn’t changed.
Charlie wasn’t killed for his faith or even his political views. He was assassinated because he was reaching the youth with a message of hope that they could do good and even great things in this country. That they could save this teetering Nation. Can’t have that.
If the goal was to destroy Charlie’s message by murdering him, It backfired tremendously.
The point was to create more chaos. The right outraged and the left being fed hate constantly. There was a tipping point, not a turning point. Would we demand Justice or Vengeance, or go strangely quiet? Either way, Marxism and authoritarianism win. The excuse would be made to control, either by military force or slow degradation. The point was to make the 20 somethings lose all hope and then submit. We have seen what a government in control, (Jan 6), can unleash when it is set up for them. Our rights were destroyed then.
But God is in control, of that I am sure. If this can be turned around for His Glory, I pray that happens. I pray we raise up 10000 and more Charlie’s.
My husband and I just discussed the shot. Perhaps Robinson was not aware that Charlie Kirk was wearing a bulletproof vest and actually made a poor shot aiming for his chest, but as has been reported, the bullet bounced off the vest straps into his neck.
While I can believe the young man detained was capable, held a grudge, and even would have shot Charlie himself, I have always thought that the reaction of Charlies body to the impact wasn't consistent with getting hit by a .30-06 round at that range.
This, which I saw earlier today on X seems more likely to me, but I have no idea whether genuine or fake?
https://x.com/ValVenisEnt/status/1967389684612637180
I have contended from the beginning, they focused on one building from which the shot was supposedly fired. While I have no idea if this video is real, it is as likely as any other, especially the angle and the way Charlie was hit. It would make as much sense as a long range sniper. I believe this was a professional hit, planned well in advance, and the kid was a patsy.
What is troubling is the narrative the FBI is putting out and the msm is running with.
They should put you in charge.
I had and have so many questions these past days and I’m still waiting for answers that satisfy a non-profession investigator. I am only a Mother who ‘investigated’ many activities of my kiddos and got to the bottom quicker than you could blink an eye. (Except for one)…our oldest had left after graduation for the Air Force and in cleaning up/out his room, I found his 9th grade Algebra tests marked F stuffed between the mattress springs and mattress plus the “lost” algebra book I paid for in order for him to pass the class. Yes, I ‘collected’ the money from him by giving him the book for his Christmas gift.
I realize there are many deep roots of this and many horrible events that have happened these past few weeks and need to be investigated in methodical, careful ways. So, I am trusting and waiting for answers.
But I do know Light overcomes darkness.
Hunters, who actually use such guns, are actually saying that TR absolutely could have made that shot and handled the gun as is described from the video evidence.
My husband and two sons are hunters and I never said at that range someone with hunting experience could not have made the shot. We have spent four days arguing this one point. But was this actually where the shot was fired? I doubt more and more, especially with all the bits and pieces spilling out, that just don’t go together.
I believe he was a shooter but not the killer. Do you know Charlie was below ground level? Area has terraces going up on 3 sides “shooter” was on roof. Seems unlikely he could hit neck at that angle. Charlie was sitting below a canopy.
Several have said it.
I think that this kid could have made the shot. It’s kind of the same way it was a miracle President Trump turned his head. A millimeter ,a fraction of a second.. is it chance or God’s will? Everything just lined up for this one in a million shot.
I think that this kid could have made the shot. It’s kind of the same way it was a miracle President Trump turned his head. A millimeter ,a fraction of a second.. is it chance or God’s will? Everything just lined up for this one in a million shot.
In that location, sure the kid could have, but we have a scenario set up, with conflicting theories. Was the shooter really on the rooftop? How did a kid with no knowledge of this campus find the exact building with the perfect site line. Video of a suspicious looking guy dressed in dark colors limping up the stairs and no one is suspicious? The whole gun thing is weird, shell casings, and a trans roommate. Seeming hand signals from behind Kirk, and the shot when asking about trannys and guns. Too many coincidences.
When JFK was shot I was a kid, but I remember it vividly. I watched on black and white tv when Oswald was shot at point blank range by Jack Ruby. The Zapruder film was not released until years later. I was in college when the Warren Commission came out. Even then I never believed it was one shooter. Too many people died who knew about or investigated the assassination. It memory holed in the history books as more crisis arrived. But we know our government was aware and kept it buried. I fear this is the same.
We don’t know that the Crooks kid was the one who fired the shot at President Trump either. That’s what they want us to think when the assassination didn’t happen.