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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

That Kansas Pfizer lawsuit is definitely one to keep an eye on. If Kansas happens to be successful and Pfizer is found guilty of hiding information and lying… man oh man, that just could open up the floodgates here

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Bring. It. On!

It’s time to “Trump” them.

Keep the law suits coming. Every. Single. State. Day after day. Deplete them. Drain them financially. Send them to bankruptcy. Keep them looking over their shoulder.

Do not give them one moment of peace to think of new jabs to kill us.

Do. Not. Stop.

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LMWC's avatar

Blue states such as Michigan will never do it. Our governor’s father was a big wig in BCBS of Michigan. This is all hand in glove with one another. Our AG is too busy ferreting out 80+ alternate electors from 2020 to arrest them.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Oh I know it. I doubt one blue state would join in. But that doesn’t mean we don’t pepper them with law suits. One right after the other.

I kept saying all through 2020+ “if these businesses and peoples would sue tptb they would win” but everyone was to afraid to try. Why risk everything when you can succumb to tyranny and then bitch that you are controlled by tyranny thereby proving yourself right that there’s no use fighting against tyranny.

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LMWC's avatar

I agree with you we don’t stop, but several small businesses tried to stay open here during the Governor’s extended lockdowns and she had them arrested, making a big stink and further scaring other people. She did this repeatedly.

IF the legacy media that we now know is completely captured had called out all of this at least in an effort to be investigated, how different things might have been.

Trump won Michigan in 2016. The Dems demanded a recount in Wayne Co, known for corruption for decades. He gained votes in the recount. In 2020 we went to bed shortly before midnight in November, Trump leading by over 200,000 votes. We did not know that they stopped the counting for 3 hours after midnight at some point. At 5:00 am, Trump’s lead had shrunk and suddenly by 7 am it was gone. When Michigan was declared for Brandon, we could not believe it. Yet, where was the GOP? Where was the media? Sitting on their hands as citizens had to try to find answers. Canvassers were doxed and threatened on video, but the msm wouldn’t touch it. They finished the job in 2022 with the help of the MiGOP. Now we have 2 and a half more years of complete Leftist domination in the Governor’s, AG, and SOS offices, and a Legislature powered by Leftists for the first time in 40 years.

But we fight on, eyes now, wide open!

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I feel your pain! My husbands family lives there and we lived there for a few years back in the day. We visit often. We hear and know what’s gone on there. Michigan was stolen in 2020 ABSOLUTELY without 1 second of doubt in our minds. It’s a travesty. And then 2022 was heartbreaking. The battle is uphill…. both ways. 😵‍💫🫨🫨😵‍💫

But we will not give up. It will take the courage of warriors to rise up and not be shaken when things look bleak. Be strong and courageous was The Lords command to Joshua. That is our example.

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carily myers's avatar

Next man up, so to speak

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

Brave gym-owners in New Jersey who stayed open were just legally vindicated and now are seeking financial compensation from the state

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes!!! 🎉

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Good! Sickening that it has taken four years to get this far but they are brave and courageous people who did the right thing. I hope they get rewarded for their perseverance!! They should own the state when they’re done!

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

where was the GOP?

where was the GOP?

where was the GOP?

They were busy. Very busy. Busy counting their corporate PAC donations.

They're not who you think they are.

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ENCmd's avatar

Sadly must agree. Even TX gov and AG reluctant to do the right thing here. We are lavender not red presently.

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TiredCitizen's avatar

And working with the Democrats

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Remember when at the end of each Scooby Doo episode, Fred pulls the mask off the villain to reveal his real identity?

Well my name's Fred and I'm here to reveal the corrupt pols underneath the GOP's masks.

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

Trump was here last weekend in Detroit with a group calling itself Black Lives Maga, and all of Dearborn and Dearborn Heights hates Biden because of Israel/Gaza (they fight the DEI CRT sexualization of kids in those cities, though very much think Israel a "Zionist entity," at least in the public events/protests), so what that portends I don't know, but you are right about the Xi lover, Davos darling, pufferfish lips governor. Tlaib is more radical than she ever was, supporting the encampments, and Duggan, the mayor, once a hospital CEO, is now advocating 20 minute neighborhoods, so green grift marching on. Davos, WEF, UN, globalist anti-human technocratic agenda trying to insinuate itself, though dropping the phrases like "build back better" Social emotional learning replaces reading, writing and arithmetic for "equity" MI is a hellscape!

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Monterey's avatar

So glad you all haven't given up. America needs a healthy Michigan, politically. glad you're in the fight!

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Beckadee's avatar

WAtch this guy in WI. Peter Bernegger fighting the fight. He addresses the stop in counting around midnight and said most of the shutdowns in the swing states happened in 5 mins of each other. He's involved in the Robin Vos recall in WI. And the voter rolls are still crap. I found him on Telegram but sure he's on X.

https://rumble.com/v51uohl-peter-berneggers-explosive-announcements-in-lancaster-wi..html

I'm in a red state but our Repubs in leadership I have serious doubts.

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Leo's avatar

WOW! Plan ahead for November so that can't happen again. Mount security cameras everywhere.

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Jon M.'s avatar

Same, almost exact events in Wisconsin...

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KATHERINE JERNIGAN's avatar

I hate Wretchen and her henchwomen. I have little hope that our voting problems have been cleaned up. Quite the contrary, in fact. Our evil AG has installed the cheating system all throughout the state by now.

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Colleen The Queen's avatar

That was me at the TCF building in Detroit watching them cheat. So frustrating! I was called horrible names for calling them out on their nefarious tactics. We republicans were outnumbered 40 to 1, AT LEAST! We need volunteers this November!! Please step up!

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Freebird's avatar

Yes! If every Red state would stand up we could win this!

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ENCmd's avatar

The reality of their Pharma financial resources versus the average person or business makes it daunting. States must go for it.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Illinois Fat Man has told everyone that Illinois is it's own country and we don't have to abide by the decisions of the Supreme Court here. I hope he's part of the pfizer team that gets "stuck" ⚡ 💉 and his whole evil family!

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Janet's avatar

Of course blue states won’t. They very assiduously forced the now known to be dangerous jabs plus authoritarian pressure onto their citizens. Jabs? What jabs? But there are plenty of red states to get the ball rolling. IMO.

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Hoffmeister's avatar

This is exactly where the power of the people, MAGA, can make the defining difference,...keep the pressure going in the right direction!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

❤️❤️❤️

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Margaret Frank's avatar

Pfizer doesn't pay they told the government they couldn't produce and test it adequately. We pay, through the Federal Government.

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Hoffmeister's avatar

"WE" are always the final payout source ( excuse my inherent sarcasm - reality has providence ). However, I would still seek some level of accountability and future deterrence fear!

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shayne's avatar

Hopefully these law suits are successful, and blue state citizens will benefit even if their governments are worthless. It may eventually cause blue states to become red states.

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Irunthis1's avatar

Well all it takes is an independent and honest attorney general since I can guarantee that the governor of our great state (a communist aka democrat) is likely horrified and very angry about said suit. I’m praying she is voted OUT next cycle. Unfortunately that cycle is on off years from presidential elections which sadly are undervalued as cycles go. And in ‘22 every “loose” uterus in the entire state turned out to vote for their “right” to murder babies at will. 😡🤬. People have got to be more concerned and involved in local/state.

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mark's avatar

Anyone have the list of lawsuits against Vaccine manufacturers with dates, verdicts and fines against the vaccine manufacturers?

I've seen it before and it seems that the vaccine manufacturers make more money selling their vaxes than the awards against them, so they profit anyway.

The American people need to be aware of this list.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Cheating Pennsylvania will never do it either.

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Patrice's avatar

This is a legal question, if Kansas prevails, what is to stop individuals (including those in blue states) from a class action lawsuit?

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Marc Wadaga's avatar

Our Governor and her cronies have to go...preferably to Gitmo.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes, yes, yes!!! I’m with you Sunnydaze!!

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T Diesel's avatar

The “Hail” with Pfizer!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Preferably gorilla hail 😬

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Maureen ODH's avatar

Sunnydaze…. Absolutely! 👊👊🎯🎯🎯👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Do not stop!

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Gram's avatar

Drain a power grid that has infinite power and money??? I appreciate your optimism, but your thinking is decades old. We're not in Kansas anymore. (pun intended)!

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Sunnydaze's avatar

So what’s the alternative? Lay down and roll ourselves into the grave having not stood up or fought back one time because, what’s the use they’ll win anyway? That’s the kind of thinking that got us into this mess. That will not get us out. It will pour the dirt on our graves that we rolled into.

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CStone's avatar

I like the way you think. I think some are just naturally in ‘throw in the towel’ mode and some are ‘sent’ here to discourage and cause us to feel like it’s hopeless.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I agree. At no time in the history of biblical happenings or in the history of America has “throw in the towel” ever won one single battle.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

❤️❤️❤️❤️

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shayne's avatar

Amen!

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Fla Mom's avatar

Gram, are you really Fauci?

If not, what's the difference between what you say and what he would say, if he did take on an anonymous identity here?

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Gram's avatar

Fla Mom, I really am a grandma who has been questioning Big Brother, researching corruption, and seeking truth, for 5 decades. I educate family, friends, and parents of children I provide childcare for about the evils of vaccines and The Medical Mafia. 10 years ago I began providing childcare ONLY for families who choose not to vaccinate.

Here is one of the latest reports about The Matrix reality we are all living in. https://www.coreysdigs.com/u-s/university-migrant-smart-hubs-private-equity-and-the-leveraged-buyout-of-america/ Those that control literally every aspect of our lives are masters at what they do. Seeing truth, through research and critical thinking makes me Fauci? LOL! I'm a lover of life, and truth. Like Gary T commented hours ago, this is a site where many appreciate Jeff's candor and humor and perspective, including me. And there are 'some' open minds here for truth that isn't sugar-coated.

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RunningLogic's avatar

“here for truth that isn't sugar-coated.”

With all due respect, how is your comment “truth”? And how are we “sugar coating” the situation? It seems more like a pessimistic opinion or prediction than truth to me. The implication is that “they” are too powerful and we will never win against them. If that’s the “truth” why even bother trying? I am all for avoiding sugarcoating. I don’t think anyone here who is encouraged by these signs of progress believes this will be quick or easy. Sugar coating would be pretending that this won’t be a difficult and prolonged fight. But that doesn’t mean we can’t win it. You have a different perspective perhaps as one who has fought for a while and is now battle weary. I can understand that. But I’m not going to let your discouragement with the slower-than-we’d-like pace of progress cause me to lose hope or give up.

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TB's avatar

If they really did "control every aspect of your lives" then they'd already be arresting you for posting on an "illegal subversive platform". :/

Goliath is not as big a threat as he makes you think he is.

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Fla Mom's avatar

You seem defeated already, Gram. I'm sorry for you. Take heart:

“You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.” — Admiral James Stockdale (former POW in Vietnam)

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Hoffmeister's avatar

Rollover Beethoven...pun intended.

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Fred's avatar

Understood, but they need to feel the pain… not that they will, but… Sadly, 💰means little to them.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

Pfizer didn't want to fast track the vaccine..Fed gov told them they would cover any law suits. It takes years to develop and test anything to get it approved. Most who work for big pharma didn't get the jab.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Ya “Pfizer didn’t want to fast track the vaccine” 😂 That’s laughable. They laughed all the way to the bank. You’ve been repeating this at least 3 times on this thread that I’ve counted. I wonder why you are so interested in spewing this nonsense. 🤔 but you are probably right about their employees not taking it. Lots of people got out of taking it. If I remember right…for some reason the post office workers didn’t have to. 🤨 Maybe cuz they needed all of them healthy to work the mail in ballot scheme.

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CMCM's avatar

I would sure like to hear the justification right now from those who exempted the various groups (like the post office) for the exact reasons WHY these groups were exempted. They need to explain this to the country. Oh yes....also why they claimed the BLM riots would not spread covid yet churches and other meetings would spread it. Lies of course, but they should be confronted with this

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striketheroot's avatar

It's going to be an interesting voyage of discovery. I understand that this was actually the DOD"s "bioweapon baby" they help develop and oreder it's distribution. I guess we might find out the whole truth about this chess game or maybe WWIII will intervene.

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Fred's avatar

Pfz acknowledged that they had a separate batch for their employees . 🤬

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Fred's avatar

They said that to reassure us that their employees would not lessen others’ availability.

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CMCM's avatar

Then the question would be, did any Pfizer employees have vaccine reactions like the rest of America/world did? Or was there mysteriously no adverse effects at all in that group? If that is the case, it might indicate that the employees were given a knowingly harmless batch, saline perhaps.

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Andy Kilhoffer's avatar

A likely story.

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Fred's avatar

Image of memo from Pfz emailed at your request. You might also see it on here:

https://open.substack.com/pub/makismd/p/new-podcast-15-minutes-with-drmakis-35c?r=8yuuy&utm_medium=ios

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Renee Marie's avatar

Are you kidding me???? 😂💰🤑

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Fred's avatar

Nope. Image of memo from Pfz emailed at your request. You might also see it on here:

https://open.substack.com/pub/makismd/p/new-podcast-15-minutes-with-drmakis-35c?r=8yuuy&utm_medium=ios

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Renee Marie's avatar

Fred, I already knew that sweetheart.

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Beckadee's avatar

Are you talking about Pfizer?

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Sherry 1's avatar

…don’t forget to send them ALL to Prison.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

2020 Trump was President. Govt covers the law suits. Pfizer said they needed years to test adequately. Gov gave them 6 months.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I don’t think that is 100% accurate because they had already patented the bio weapon years before. They didn’t develop it in 6 months. They already had it. I saw the patent years ago (now). If I remember right it was dated back in 2015 or something. I can’t remember exactly.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

Federal Government covers the cost of law suits. They were the reason Pfizer had to fast track the vaccine. Every pharma company knows it takes years .

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CMCM's avatar

Seems like the government....in other words US....pay for everything.

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Jennifer Beebe's avatar

💯‼️💯‼️

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Jeff C's avatar

Looking back, there was a brazenness to Pfizer and Moderna's actions that is hard to comprehend. Of course they are led by corrupt sociopaths, but didn't anyone ever say, "wait a minute, if they figure out what we are up to they are going to be really pissed!" You would have thought at least someone would have realized this could get ugly for them in the future and had a plan, or at least warned against it. But nope, they look completely flat-footed.

Something made them extremely confident this stuff would never come out, probably their ties to the deep state (specifically the Intelligence Community). It does show that their grip on society is not as absolute as they thought, and we still have a fighting chance of turning this thing around. The same thing is happening on multiple other fronts: January 6th, Fauchi and gain of function, and Trump's resurgence. Pretty amazing what smart, motivated, but honest regular people can still do when they value truth.

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Peter Schott's avatar

Probably tied to that 75 years to release all of the data attempt....

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Jeff C's avatar

Yes but they couldn't count on that, it only took one honest judge to reverse it.

I think it's deeper than that. They thought everyone would take the vax except a tiny percentage of malcontents. This would be used to implement universal vax passports, which would then morph into a social credit system. Then if people started bringing this stuff up they would simply turn off their access to society.

But vax passports failed because a quarter of the population refused to take the vax under any circumstances (which they never imagined would happen). Unlike a few malcontents, you cannot jail, fire, or ostracize a quarter of the population without the economy grinding to a halt and social upheaval. So no vax passports, no social credit system, and no way to silence dissenters. So now they are standing there exposed with no plan.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Concur, but sadly that still leaves three-quarters of the population that variously trusted their authorities or felt coerced into taking an experimental shot whose long term track record was and remains unknown.

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Dena's avatar

I think (hope) the majority of the fooled three quarters stopped after the very first round of shots. Important lesson learned, among many, is there’s strength in numbers. Do NOT comply!

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MaryAnn's avatar

I thought hell froze over last evening: my multiply-jabbed friend recently asked her doc when she should get the next jab. He said, “Let’s just wait. We don’t know about the next variant, how effective a [jab] would be, if one is even needed. So let’s wait and see.” I saw the beginning of sunlight starting to shine. Her son worked at NIH during Moderna’s jab development. He told her to “go for it (the jab)” and she did, repeatedly. But, a bout of the vid and relapse with Paxlovid last winter may be helping the sun to shine! 🙏🏻

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carily myers's avatar

Agree 100%

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Margaret Frank's avatar

For the elderly it worked. All our friends are over 80

None of them died.

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M2's avatar

That doesn’t mean it worked. Covid always had over a 99% recovery rate. Even with the elderly, it was still a huge percentage that would have survived.

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rolandttg's avatar

Go along to get along. It worked so well for the sheep for so long, and then it didn't. That's why the first of the must have attributes of stoicism is courage .

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CMCM's avatar

One can hope that the three-quarters will at least now do more critical thinking about anything coming from the government or health authorities, and maintain a higher level of skepticism.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

100% the governments fault. They cover the law suits because Pfizer told them they couldn't develop and test a vaccine in the time govt gave them. Few working in the industry took the jab.

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Dena's avatar

And remember Congress was exempt from vax mandates.

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Lynn46's avatar

So happy to be part of that 25%.

If they try it again the % will be higher.

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CStone's avatar

That ‘something’ that made them confident was the DoD. The Defense Department is the ‘Deeper State’ of the ‘Deep State’. It has always been thought of the DoD was behind you, you were invincible. The DoD is now a laughingstock, run by fancy men who think they are women.

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Peregrine's avatar

The CEO of Pfizer makes my Lying Sociopath Sensors sound like an army of bagpipe players.

That dude just creeps me out.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

He has that creepy thing going on with his neck every time he talks.

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striketheroot's avatar

"Reptilian" is the word you are looking for...

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MaryAnn's avatar

Or a cacaphony of 17 yr cicadas all eager to mate. 😖

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Politico Phil's avatar

Nailed it.

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SB's avatar

I wonder if they realized how many problems the shots would have? Or if they were really arrogant enough to think they would skate by like always?

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Doug's avatar

I believe I've read that in all previous trials of MRNA vaccine delivery systems, the test animals died in unacceptably high numbers. Yet these arrogant scientists think they can defeat God's engineering, if they can tweak those molecules in just the right way.

One issue I learned of recently on the Dark Horse podcast (with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying) is that all the lab mice in the US have been genetically overbred from the same strain and are now tolerant of poisons. In other words, they are no longer good representations of how a given substance will react in other mammals - like humans. This is a huge issue, evidently, and the scientific community is in denial about it.

Dark Horse is an amazing listen - this couple is brilliant and intellectually challenging. They've been front-line fighters in the battle against the WHO's power grab, along with the heroic Meryl Nass. We owe them our gratitude for standing against medical tyranny in a big way - they were fundamental players in the WHO Treaty's defeat last month.

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

Yes. 3 years ago this month, after they had to leave their jobs at Evergreen college in Oregon as a woke mob came for Bret with baseball bats, and they'd pulled together a living with Patreon and youtube, before their book was published, and with two teen sons, they had Dr. Kory on to talk of ivermectin. Dr. Kory, naive to the size and longevity of the evil, as so many of us have been, thought his protocol would be embraced and thousands of lives would be saved. Bret and Heather knew they were risking everything, but had him on because it might save thousands of lives. youtube demonetized them immediately, and they were savaged by all sorts of podcasts, like Rebel Wisdom and the publisher of Quillette. They have taken many stands over these 3 years that brought them grief on many levels, but stay in integrity. Their book is The Hunter-Gatherers Guide to the Twenty-First century. They have saved many lives no doubt, and saved kids from getting chopped up and advocated for home schooling. So I agree completely. The full on fire they take repeatedly is a measure of how much they are changing minds.

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Monterey's avatar

Evergreen College is actually in Olympia, Washington. Its woke to the Core terrible reputation has been damaged so badly that someone I met who graduated from there several years ago won't even put it on her resume anymore --too embarrassing

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carily myers's avatar

lol, love it

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Doug's avatar

Thank you for that in-depth introduction - it was more than I could manage on one paltry cup of joe!

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Monterey's avatar

I recall Dr Ryan Cole warning very early on in 2021 that previous attempts to develop a coronavirus vaccine resulted in either killing the mice, giving them cancer, giving them neurological problems, Etc -- all the kind of stuff we ended up seeing with the covid shot.

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Doug's avatar

Thanks, Monterey (as in the Bay?). LOVE that place...

I'm sure that Ryan Cole's info was part of the data I was remembering. I've seen it several times. I have files. Oh, man, do I have files...

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Margaret Frank's avatar

Lab mice are only the first. To properly test a drug they have to have human volunteers. One group gets the medicine the other only thinks they are getting it.

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Doug's avatar

Then there's a third group who knows they're not getting it: the true Control Group.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

Blame the government told by Pfizer it would take years to adequately test the vaccine. Fed govt covers the law suits.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

They did know how many problems the shots would cause.

Your government wants you dead.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

At least your blaming the correct group. Government responsible for Pfizer fast tracking the jab. The government pays for the law suits.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

We might want to narrow it down to DoD.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Exactly. The government is a vast entity with lots of bad actors, but also some folks trying to right the ship.

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Concerned mom's avatar

There's nothing like telling it like IT IS!!!

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

If you know of even a handful of prior cases, Pharma has zero problems with the occasional multi-billion dollar cost of a government fine or a lawsuit judgment. These costs pale compared to the profits they make, sometimes from the very drug/thing they were penalized for. Just part of the cost of doing business.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

As soon as a drug is approved in the USA China starts to produce it illegally. Often it is the Chinese copy bought on the internet that causes the serious negative effects. Plus every drug has an expected 5% morbidity rate. Even with years of testing there will be some with an allergy or other unknown issue that causes a negative reaction.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

Not Pfizer the govt. Pfizer told them they couldn't adequately test the vaccine. It takes years. Government so desperate they said all lawsuits covered by them. Or in reality, us.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Do you hold an upper level position with Pfizer? You seem like an enthusiastic defender if not a supporter.

Tell us one more time; the government forced Pfizer to make a deadly vaccine and call it safe.

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Porge's avatar

Lol! Good one WS!

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Hahaha. Yes Willing Spirit! This account seems hellbent on defending ppppfizer. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I count no less than 6-7 comments all defending them. Hahahaha

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Smart, motivated, honest AND discerning regular people!

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Freebird's avatar

I listened to a podcast a few days ago in which a Texas doctor said that among pregnant women who took the shot, the miscarriage rate was 81%! I’m still aghast at hearing that statistic. Surely shock waves will hit from numbers like that.

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Concerned mom's avatar

My daughter, working as a nurse in a big So Cal hospital during 2020, was further convinced of what I was telling her bc she heard from her friends who worked in the birthing wards that they were NOT having live births.... lots of miscarriages, lots of stillborn babies...

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Trish's avatar

And most OB's are still recommending boosters to their patients.

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Ann Moody's avatar

Not only that, but the sperm is damaged. Dr. John Campbell has seen alarming evidence of loss of sperm motility. So now it’s hard to get pregnant and if you do, the pregnancy won’t last.

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Leo's avatar

Population reduction - at your service.

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Kimberly's avatar

I think they knew but didn't care -- they were totally swept up in the moment, adrenaline pumping, thinking they were invincible. The part of the brain that analyzes risk is turned off under such conditions. It was, perhaps, in the back of their minds -- but in the way that a drunk driver doesn't think he will get pulled over. Well, boys -- the sirens are on!! It's pull over time!!

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Jeff C's avatar

I do risk management for a living (as do most engineering managers) so this thinking is completely foreign to me, but you could be right. But Bourla and Bancel weren't acting in a vacuum. There are corporate boards, VPs, and countless other corner office types. None of them understood risk management? That's either some high level ignorance or outright denial. Hard for me to believe no one considered it.

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Politico Phil's avatar

At this level (below the satanic controllers), it's all about the money and the resulting corruption not realizing that they will be the sacrificial scapegoats when the time comes to appease and distract "you and me".

It's all pre-planned to the very end.

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Jeff C's avatar

As usual Phil, you cut right to the chase. That's the most compelling explanation I've heard so far, they assumed that being part of the club protected them. But they weren't actually part of the club but had their ticket punched by those actually in the club. They were protected as long as they were useful, not unconditionally protected out of loyalty.

Life is so much easier when just acting honestly and in good faith.

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Politico Phil's avatar

"As long as they were useful". Perfect description. And then useful as scapegoats.

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TB's avatar

Alternative possibility (though it has aspects of this one too) -- that the people below knew what their bosses wanted to hear, and painted everything in a more positive light than was justified. Filter this through multiple levels of management, and you get "safe and effective"; plus, those in change think that because they are "doing good" at the request of the government, *of course* the government will cover for them in the event of "small mistakes".

Under normal circumstances I'm not convinced this would be plausible since the CEO knows their @$$ is on the line if something goes wrong and will demand more details if something looks "off", but with everyone under pressure due to "the pandemic" (and drooling over the profits they could make from a government contract to supply ONE BILLION DOSES), who's going to stand up and say "stop" to what is supposedly "the cure"?

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Margaret Frank's avatar

Google who covers the law suits and why. For childhood vaccines also.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

Pfizer understood they initially said no to fast tracking. Gov covers all the law suits.

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Concerned mom's avatar

THEIR ATTEMPT AT HIDING IT FOR 75 YEARS!!!

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CaplT's avatar

Because of the waiver of liability clause in every contract for purchase of the jabs. Signed by every government who bought them.

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Bones's avatar

I honestly don’t think they care if it comes out. Just like big tobacco was brazen. All these big companies know that eventually people will know how destructive they are they’ll just be helpless to do much.

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

It seemed each decision maker was in it for themselves. “Take the money and run. “

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Margaret Frank's avatar

Fed govt covers law suits. Pfizer told them they couldn't develop and test the vaccine in the time they were given. Normally takes years to develop and test a vaccine.

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Valerie's avatar

I am so ready for the tide to turn on the pharma gaslighting! Well, all of the gaslighting but pharma in particular.

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Bill Campbell's avatar

gaslighting is such a nice, polite sounding term. I prefer something more like "f-n LIARS". I call it like I see it.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Trivia: I'm old enough (62) that I've seen genuine (decorative) gas lights, such as the ones in front of older homes. Did you know that (if I recall correctly), the amount of gas/cost to operate one such light year-round is roughly the same as the gas used in a gas-heated home???

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carily myers's avatar

Love it, Bill

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

I think it's slowly turning! I've heard that people who plan on getting vaccinated again after being vaccinated the first time DON'T plan on doing so again! So this is good news!

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Denise Hudak's avatar

Has anyone else discovered recently that when the FDA agreed to fortify cereals, breads etc back in 1997 (because of pressure from big pharma) Folic Acid was put into these foods. The folic acid is lab created and not folate from Vitamin B— there is evidence that the synthetic folic acid keeps the immune system from fighting disease and also led to rising issues with cancer, autism, inflammatory diseases and infertility problems. So part of the depopulation program by the deep state. This synthetic folic acid was also pushed by them and the world accepted it gladly thinking it was helping nutrition— it is in pre-natal vitamins and all kinds of processed foods. I am so shocked to find this out (although I am not sure why🙄) but this may be the reason that some people can’t recover from their body’s own immune system when they receive vaccines or develop other diseases since the folic acid suppresses the body’s ability to fight infection and illnesses like it was created by God to do. Please look into this because everything skyrocketed after 1997 when fortifying foods started. Look up Dr. Tatum Toner who was recently interviewed by Alex Zack

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

Actually, maybe they changed the fortification vitamins to something toxic or useless, as the whole issue with B vitamins began a hundred years ago when they started milling the flour to make it white. The mental hospitals filled up. Then there was some kind of enrichment but it could easily have been switched for something else in 1997. My thyroid book says fluoride, which who know the effect of the original dose in the water supply, was changed to an industrial byproduct that they needed to get rid of and called fluoride. B vitamins are crucial to mental health, like vitamin C is crucial to prevent scurvy. (Think of the British "lymies," sailors eating limes on long voyages) My own pet theory about the Roaring Twenties, F. Scott and Zelda and Hart Crane, is that they were eating foods without B vitamins AND drinking their brains out. Zelda Fitzgerald ended up in the loony bin and Hart Crane jumped off a boat.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

Consumer lab says not true.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Do you have any links for your claims?

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STH's avatar

Yes! But they also don’t want to discuss it. And plenty are still very willing to get worthless aluminum filled flu shots. I’ve heard they’re now mrna too, but I’ve not been able to verify that assertion.

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Doug's avatar

Huh?! Are they planning to or not planning to?

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Lisa Ca's avatar

👍🏻

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BBS's avatar

Where are the other 49 states?

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Illinois has seceded. We didn't have to abide by the US laws anymore. The Fat Man said so.

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Joanne Shannon's avatar

Let’s be fair. He’s been busy working on his EV plant with China’s Gotion using slave labor.

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Dr Jen | Syringa Wellness's avatar

Idaho is busy with lava ridge, water, abortion lawsuits and transgender lawsuits. Give us a break.

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Doug's avatar

Not to mention absorbing Eastern Oregon...

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Dena's avatar

Do you know if ID is looking into prohibiting climate/weather manipulation (chemtrails) like TN?

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

Texas is the first, so it's the other 48. I think some might sign on. Florida is a pretty strong bet.

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Monterey's avatar

Washington is in the process of potentially making things better with initiatives. the left-wingers are furious lol

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Emil's avatar

One wonders what messaging was coming out of the Kansas Department of Health while Pfizer was making its safe and effective claims. Was the state also misleading its residents? It seems that Kansas’ own health department would also have had some pretty solid data on safety and effectiveness that was not being shared publicly.

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Peregrine's avatar

Good point.

Seems every state early on was pimping the juice.

However, they were mislead as much, if not more, than anyone.

I can't wait for a judge to allow discovery.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

It was approved by the FDA. Shows the Federal Government was running the show.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

Pfizer will say and prove upfront they told the federal govt they they could not adequately test the vaccine in the time given. We cover the law suits.

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Porge's avatar

MF, we know the government was the major culprit, but are you absolving them of wrong doing. If they had any morals or ethics they could have said "NO!"

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

I live in Kansas, and we have a Democratic governor and a Republican legislature.

The department of health has more or less been silent, except for some very weird ads sometime in 2020 or 2021 telling older people to get tested for COVID. No reason given other than it was "the best way to protect yourself from COVID".

The governor was the first in the country to shut down the schools nationwide, and ordered churches shut down just a few days before Easter in 2020. The legislature raced to overturn it, but the state supreme court ruled (on the day before Easter) that it couldn't do it for some technical reason I don't remember. She was re-elected in 2022, thanks in part to some very suspicious voting trends in the states most populous county.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

❤️❤️❤️

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Margaret Frank's avatar

Govt made the assertion vaccine safe. Govt mandated for everyone. Not Pfizer. Drug company knew it wasn't adequately tested. Reason fed govt handling law suits.

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J Boss's avatar

Does not provide cover for those that took it pre mandate.

Regardless, doesn't matter f govt was involved. State consumer laws requite truth.

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shayne's avatar

We have an awesome AG!

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

I should’ve included them in this article: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-rise-of-the-rebel-state

I only focused on FL and LA at the time :(

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CStone's avatar

Addendum:

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FriendIndeed's avatar

And if money is awarded, blue states are willing to pass that up?

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Angus McPherson's avatar

If the money spigot opens up, they will be working hard to say they were injured worse than the red states. And in fact, they were because of higher vaccine uptake and the boosterama that they have been promoting.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Hmm interesting point!

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On an island's avatar

Why does it seem they’re only going after Pfizer? What about Moderna? They should be nailed bigtime especially since their evil CEO Bancel helped design the Wuhan lab that was doing GoF experiments that ended up killing people.

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

More evidence has been unearthed against Pfizer - not sure why. Also there was/is a manufacturing plant in Kansas, in McPherson. There is a prominent whistleblower who worked in that plant. The plant actually had some prominent stories of quality control problems BEFORE covid.

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J Boss's avatar

Pfizer document release + Naomi Wolf's team of volunteer experts specifying all the harms and death.

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Gram's avatar

I hate to be pessimistic, but... a lawsuit of that gargantuan size, involving The Medical Mafia. is a total distraction. The powers that be control everything, they control the judges, the courts...

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

That's a fair callout, but here are my two thoughts: 1) As Jeff said, when the states get involved, it somewhat evens the playing field. Example being the opioid crisis and the lawsuits against Purdue. But 2) I think the lawsuit itself will expose so much that even if the verdict isn't what we want, the amount of information that may be released can used to wake those who may still be asleep -- so it could still be a positive for the truth

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Nicole Rivas weaver's avatar

I so hope you are right

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Jeff C's avatar

The lawsuit is just one aspect, what this is showing is that the tide had turned. They thought they could act with impunity and would never suffer *any* repercussions. Until a year ago that looked to be true. Not so any more.

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Doug's avatar

It's like a big playground. Gotta stand up to the bullies or they run the show. Just takes a couple of brave people (or states).

I think this needs to happen on many fronts besides just Big Pharma.

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RunningLogic's avatar

🎯🎯🎯

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Lisa Ca's avatar

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

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Sunnydaze's avatar

True. But we cannot stop trying. It’s about fighting. We cannot stop. The outcome belongs to The Lord. Our job is to fight.

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Gram's avatar

If the outcome belongs to the Lord, why fight? Isn't The Lord about turning the other cheek and loving one another?

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Jeff C's avatar

Gram, your comments are consistently just bitter, old lady pessimism. Don't you have something better to do with you life than attempting to spread your own misery? Your comment is either incredibly ignorant or a deliberate, manipulative attempt to bait people. Some of us actually lead joyful lives and don't spend our time trying to start arguments with strangers.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Stop twisting scripture. I won’t bite.

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Gram's avatar

You brought up The Lord...

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Put a lid on it Gram, your ridiculous statement doesn't move the conversation forward. So just stop. You look foolish.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Will our "like" button ever get fixed?

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Janet's avatar

I’m not obligated to turn the other cheek to evil. I fight it that’s what God gives us— the armor to do that. Gods not just another nanny.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Not for you to manipulate. It’s quite obvious too.

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CStone's avatar

You must work for Pfizer…….by the gram.

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Gram's avatar

That's a hell of an assumption. My career has been providing childcare for working parents who choose not to vaccinate, or who need assistance/childcare recovering vaccine-injured children.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

We are called to stand up for justice.

“Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause.”

Isaiah 1:17

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CStone's avatar

Yes!!!!!! And we are called to make righteous judgements.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

This is long, but very valuable for countering what Marxist universities teach our kids.

Wonderful explanation about the twisting of ‘judge not that you be not judged.’

We all continuously make judgments, or we would already be dead.

https://youtu.be/WKobdoB5STs?si=sFeSOaXhB5Y5DDO0

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LuAnne's avatar

Wow. Nothing like cherry picking a Bible verse and using it in an unbiblical way.

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Politico Phil's avatar

And now YOU are a spokesman for the Lord? Be careful my friend. Those who misrepresent the Lord in order to mislead usually end up regretting it.

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Roger Kimber, MD's avatar

It is you leftists that will regret

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Politico Phil's avatar

LOL... I had to laugh. Rarely do I get that mischaracterized. But that's ok. Short comments are easy to misinterpret.

My only comment was to point out that God/Christ never turns the other cheek to evil.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Dr. Kimber, I think your comment got put in the wrong spot. Calling Politico Phil a leftist just has to be a mistake, lol.

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Roger Kimber, MD's avatar

Thanks, I apologized to him.

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

Turning the other cheek is about behavior between individuals. It is lawful and ethical to resist evil entities.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

The Lord is also about honesty and justice and standing for those who cannot stand for themselves - taking care of orphans and widows.

Haven’t you read the OT?

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Tom's avatar

Proverbs 25:26 (ESV)

"Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked."

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Gary T's avatar

Watch out Gram, C&C regulars don't like reality. Delusion is the game that's played on this Stack.

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RunningLogic's avatar

So let’s just roll over and let them do what they will, right? 🙄 I don’tunderstand this defeatist attitude, Gary. And no I’m not trying to bully or silence you. I just don’t see the point of the negativity and the drumbeat of “we’ll never win against them, they’re just too powerful.” Why? What good does it do? And why attempt to discourage others from doing anything or pushing for anything to get done?

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CStone's avatar

They’re probably getting paid……..

If not, then they’re just full of gas and are miserable human beings. And as we know, ‘misery loves company’ they cannot stand it when others have hope. That’s a big ‘NO’.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

❤️❤️❤️❤️

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Lisa Ca's avatar

❤️❤️❤️❤️

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Gary T's avatar

First, very few people are 'doing' anything, everyone here is just hoping that voting for the guy that supports the vax is going to help. (Shhhhh, don't bring that up)

Second, I didn't advocate for anyone to do the nothing that they are doing now, I advocate for the obvious solution(s) that every group of humans that ever did stop an aggressive adversarial group, we just are not allowed to talk about real solutions without attracting the attention of the popo.

The defeatist attitude I do feel is when I read C&C lately, if this(waiting) is the solution then we have been defeated.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Um why do you assume none of us are doing anything?? We may not be talking about it constantly on here, but I know many of us are working in our own ways to make changes.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Gary T, you have no idea what we do when we're not typing comments here. What makes you think you know that "very few people are 'doing' anything, everyone here is just hoping that voting...is going to help?" And the next part makes me think you're a Fed. You keep saying that without saying it explicitly, hoping, perhaps to goad some poor soul into doing so. Re-read the indictment portion of the Declaration of Independence and then claim that now's the time. The Founders were beyond patient. And I think we all get what you think, so you can stop saying the same thing all the time.

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

You have no balls. I invite the popo for a visit, if they think that’s wise. Don’t be such a pussy. “ I’m afraid to say I want to overthrow the government, they might come and take me”. At that point, pussy,you stand and deliver. But you’ll hide in your shell, afraid. Stay afraid, Gary. I wouldn’t want you near me in a firefight.

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Gary T's avatar

You need to project your violence on someone else, that's not what I said. Why don't you share your experience of the FBI coming to your house at 4am?

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Knock it off, Gary.

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carily myers's avatar

lol. LIKE

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

You’ll read about it, pussy. And I’m not projecting my violence on anyone but the gestapo. And that party might be my last, but it will prove a point. I’m old, Gary. Death or life in prison doesn’t hold the same weight it did when I was a young buck. And the sooner more of us stand up, the sooner this gets resolved. Or the revolution starts. That’s where we get to choose the enemy. Right now, the Feds and deep state, media mafia, and most of the fucking inter web are #1. Go tell your bosses. Want my address?

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Gary T's avatar

Well, since the FBI has not visited you yet it's clear that you are just pretending to be tough, if you had some experience with them would know why they pick off people one by one at 4am.

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

I’m certainly not important enough to get picked off. That’s why your fear of stating what you really want to do is funny to me. Garontee they read this stack. Jeff is one of the few lawyers that has won lawsuits against “ them”.

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Gary T's avatar

For someone that has no experience with 'them' you certainly sound sure of yourself, and brave too. If your peers would have seen you as useful for the cause, instead of a potential liability you would have been invited into the militia already. Not many resistance movements have been successful by telling 'them' what's happening.

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

I’m certainly not important enough to get picked off. That’s why your fear of stating what you really want to do is funny to me. Garontee they read this stack. Jeff is one of the few lawyers that has won lawsuits against “ them”.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

So why are you here. It’s rhetorical.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Gary is projecting, like they all do.

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Gary T's avatar

I'm here because Jeff has good stories about what Team Reality is doing in response to tyranny, and what Team Tyranny is doing to continue the tyranny. I am also here to show fellow C&C readers that can see reality that they are not alone and not everyone is lost in the fantasy. Remember how soothing it was when Jeff was the beacon of sanity? Well, some people still find sanity comforting among the lies and gaslighting that we hear from EVERYWHERE else, some would prefer if a little more reality and less delusion were still on C&C, and some are willing to point it out. I know some like being in the delusion, that's ok too.

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LuAnne's avatar

I'll bet it's sheer torture for you to read Janice's daily bible scriptures. Lol.

You know, you can read C&C without visiting the comments section if the delusional opinions & beliefs bother you so much. I regularly read articles on X and elsewhere without venturing into the comments.

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Freebird's avatar

Thanks for that comment LuAnne! You nailed it! ❤️

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RunningLogic's avatar

What is “reality” to you? The impression I get from you on that is “we’re never going to win against them, they’re too powerful, any progress is an illusion.”

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Gary T's avatar

The reality is that EVERY time Jeff has talked about some court case it has gone nowhere, that's reality.

No one has held accountable, no one is on the path of being held accountable, that's reality.

Millions are dead and billions injured, that's reality.

If the tyrants only face the courts and laws, yes, we will never win, that's reality.

"Patience, grasshoppers. The wheels of justice turn slowly, but when they really catch something they grind it into dust. It’s coming." That's delusion. The only ones getting ground to dust are the people that got vaxxed and those that are fighting for them.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I disagree but if you really believe that’s the case, propose an alternative. Or an additional front for people to fight on. And lead the way with your own initiatives. I think this is a multifaceted effort and we need to use several different angles. Just because something doesn’t happen immediately, doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen. In fact, I think more effective and durable change is always slower. Like crash diets appear to work at first but smaller, less dramatic, incremental changes tend to stick better. I guess as a marathon runner, I have a different perspective. Putting in the work doesn’t always pay off immediately, but it does eventually.

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Freebird's avatar

We seem to have a crowd of nay-sayers today! Gary T and Gram have apparently missed Jeff’s optimism, one of the main reasons all of us are here! Sure, there’s plenty of bad news out there, but Jeff consistently points out reasons to be hopeful. And he reminds us that the process is drip, drip, drip, slow but sure.

I’d be happy for them to take their negativity elsewhere.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I don’t necessarily mind a counter perspective. I just think that it’s not helpful to talk about US being overly optimistic without any suggestions on what to do differently or in addition. Just complaining about how we’re not “realistic” without offering any alternative is adding nothing. 100% of the people who won’t take a shot will not succeed but there is always a chance if we actually are willing to make the effort and not give up. You can’t win if you don’t try and just make excuses.

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carily myers's avatar

The original "debbie downers"

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rolandttg's avatar

Well said. I'm getting Real tired of the "nothing is happening posters " who refuse to look at things in a non linear way, won't believe anything till they see it on TV, or are too lazy to deep dive research. I have decided to stop responding to all of them. Life is too short to argue with people you don't know on the internet.

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Doug's avatar

Roland, I've been engaged with some of my old friends on FB, finding out how blue-pilled they are. Today I threw in the towel and told this old buddy, "you win. I'm tired of the pissing match. I'm obviously a tinfoil-hatted moron. It's a wonder I can even tie my shoes in the morning."

This is a guy who responds to every one of my posts with an opposing point of view with stories from mainstream media, most of which are over 2 years old. The last straw for me was his ad hominem attack on James Corbett and then telling me how many millions of lives Bill Gates has saved..

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rolandttg's avatar

Well said. I'm getting Real tired of the "nothing is happening posters " who refuse to look at things in a non linear way, won't believe anything till they see it on TV, or are too lazy to deep dive research. I have decided to stop responding to all of them. Life is too short to argue with people you don't know on the internet.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Gary T, court cases happen in something akin to geologic time, not instant-American-time. Your last sentence implies that "fighting for them" has a rational basis, but the previous sentence implies that the basis is outside our legal system and rule of law. So what's your magic solution?

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RunningLogic's avatar

His attitude reminds me of when I was in my late teens and early 20s and had decided not to hope for anything because I feared being disappointed. Then I figured out that not trying because of fears of what *might* or *might not* happen, if risking disappointment , wasn’t the best way to live. You’ve got to try, you’ve got to put yourself out there even if you might not succeed.

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Doug's avatar

Hey Gary,

I come here because Jeff offers some good snarky commentary on the events of the day. He's a good writer, and offers a good perspective and analysis. And his writing offers some hope, in both the stories he's following and acknowledging the little wins along the way.

The book isn't written yet - we don't know how it turns out. It's not delusional to have a daily laugh and read a story with a little hope. After 3 years of managing a similar private group on another server with very little good news, I'm happy to be here. This group lifts my spirits. That's a fact - not a delusion.

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Gram's avatar

Months ago, when I shared the truth on substack and rumble about Tim Ballard being a con man, fellow readers went nuts, accusing me of being a pedo! Well, whaddyaknow? Tim left O.U.R. under investigations of sexual abuse and non-profit fraud. This was after he stole $40M tax-free dollars -- along with Angel Studios. Fla Mom accuses me of being Fauci? LMAO! Jeff resorts to personally criticizing me as a miserable old lady?

Gary - Stay free my friend!

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

What a fucking asinine comment.

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Gary T's avatar

I know, the echo chamber of delusion is so much more satisfying.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Haha -- I just responded to Gram and I think you'd agree :)

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Willing Spirit's avatar

You really should listen to this very entertaining speaker.

You will live somewhere forever. Do yourself an immense favor. The delusion is not what you think it is.

https://youtu.be/WKobdoB5STs?si=3m7sq1adJ5rHaNi5

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Gram's avatar

I know. ~sigh

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M. Dowrick's avatar

A niece with an 18 month old child was mandated to take the covid vaxx as an RN for a large Illinois healthcare conglomerate. Her child still isn’t walking or talking, has sleeping issues. I worry.

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Fred's avatar

Don’t forget that it took the FOIA to make Pfz release their 2/28/2021 document listing some 1200 known adverse events, including MIS-C, the very issue for which they promoted the jabs. And hiding the data on the effect on pregnancies and fertility - man oh man, that could (should!) be huge!

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carily myers's avatar

YES, totally ignored by MSM

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william howard's avatar

they lose the EUA if there was fraud which opens them up for class action suits wo gov immunity

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Lerkison's avatar

This lawsuit is great. I fear that the federal law immunizing the drug companies via the EUA will trump state law, but I hope I'm wrong on this. (Even though the COVID vaccines were provisionally approved for non-EUA use, the companies have been careful to only distribute EUA versions of the drugs to avoid liability.)

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Politico Phil's avatar

Immunity only refers to civil suits. When criminal charges are involved all that immunity is dissolved.

Three minute video of Dr. Martin.........

David Martin: Landmark Court Ruling Opens Door For LAWSUITS Against COVID Vaccine Manufacturers!

https://rumble.com/v52143v-david-martin-landmark-court-ruling-opens-door-for-lawsuits-against-covid-va.html

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Natalie's avatar

Steve Bannon and Naomi Wolf should get a lot of credit for the information that Kris Kobach used in reference to pregnancy harms. When Naomi came on War Room, Steve encouraged his "posse" to volunteer to comb the Pfizer documents for evidence of what really went on, and they revealed many things, including the fact that Pfizer was aware of all the pregnancy harms. You can purchase The Pfizer Documents, their detailed study of what Pfizer's own studies actually revealed. (Those were the documents that Pfizer wanted sealed for decades.) You can go to dailyclout.io, Naomi Wolf's website, to read all about it.

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Oppositional Defiance's avatar

Does anyone know what happened with the Florida grand jury investigation into the vaxxes?

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David Roberts's avatar

Yes, well, civil lawsuits grind slowly. They can easily take 6, 7 years to get to a verdict. And then appeals. Look for Pfizer to try to make this go away with a settlement.

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