Our youngest daughter's pediatrician pushed it HARD! I repeatedly said no, and told our daughter to make sure they didn't trick her into it when they started separating us at appointments. Her other doctors pushed just as hard! But we stayed firm. I thank God for such solid discernment! She has friends who took it whose babies/children h…
Our youngest daughter's pediatrician pushed it HARD! I repeatedly said no, and told our daughter to make sure they didn't trick her into it when they started separating us at appointments. Her other doctors pushed just as hard! But we stayed firm. I thank God for such solid discernment! She has friends who took it whose babies/children have all kinds of issues. While I don't know that it can be linked, nothing would surprise me!
To all - do not let anyone separate you from your kids during any appointment!! They have no legal right to require it and you can simply say, "no thanks, I'll be staying". If they press then tell them it's not negotiable and you won't discuss it further.
You are responsible for your minor children's well-being, not the doctor (or anyone else for that matter). There is no valid reason for an adult to separate a child from their parent short of legitimate proof of abuse (and only then with a court order). The only other reason to do so, is to undermine a parent's authority. Period. If a doctor even requests it then it should make you extremely suspicious.
Don't let doctors, nurses, social workers, police, school workers, clergy, or anyone else do it. If it cannot be said with you in the room then it's a huge red flag.
Also, follow up on the doctor's notes after the visit where you refused to be separated.
I think it's SecondSmartestGuy who has a tale on his substack of the doctor putting comments regarding "suspected elder abuse" when 2SG refused the "jab" for his mother. (He had power of attorney.)
Yes! NEVER separate from your dependent loved one, no matter the age. Vulnerable people need an advocate, and predatory medical practitioners know they are less
Likely to get away with their abuse and coercions when a competent and prepared family member or other personal advocate is present.
But man, tell me you will need to be seeing my children separately from me and we will be out the door. And on the phone with our legal representation at Heritage Defense if you (a medical office) make any threats about it!
They started pushing our grandson to see the pediatrician alone when he turned 10!! His mom flipped out and replied, when y'all are paying for everything this boy needs, you can see him alone!" That stopped it briefly. He's nearly 14 now and they STILL try it at every visit!
Not one of my kids were ever left alone in a pediatrician's office - even when they got to be teens. If the girls went, I accompanied them and if the boys went, my husband attended. I did not trust the physicians to leave my kids with them alone but I especially did not trust the nurse practitioners who came off more as activists than as medical practitioners.
I have a friend who left her daughter unattended with an NP and the NP basically told the daughter that her mother was crazy and that the daughter should consent to the HPV shot. Fortunately, the daughter told her mom exactly what happened and they left the office for good. However, looking back on it, I think they actually had standing for some sort of legal action.
I have another acquaintance whose daughter ended up consenting to the HPV shot after the mother and daughter had previously discussed not receiving it. The daughter consented after being persuaded by the NP. Sadly, the girl went on to have terrible side effects from the shot which affected her for years.
Far too many people acquiesce to things that they think are mandatory that really aren't. Just say no. If it cannot be said with you in the room then the automatic assumption should be it's an attempt to undermine your authority.
Our youngest daughter's pediatrician pushed it HARD! I repeatedly said no, and told our daughter to make sure they didn't trick her into it when they started separating us at appointments. Her other doctors pushed just as hard! But we stayed firm. I thank God for such solid discernment! She has friends who took it whose babies/children have all kinds of issues. While I don't know that it can be linked, nothing would surprise me!
To all - do not let anyone separate you from your kids during any appointment!! They have no legal right to require it and you can simply say, "no thanks, I'll be staying". If they press then tell them it's not negotiable and you won't discuss it further.
You are responsible for your minor children's well-being, not the doctor (or anyone else for that matter). There is no valid reason for an adult to separate a child from their parent short of legitimate proof of abuse (and only then with a court order). The only other reason to do so, is to undermine a parent's authority. Period. If a doctor even requests it then it should make you extremely suspicious.
Don't let doctors, nurses, social workers, police, school workers, clergy, or anyone else do it. If it cannot be said with you in the room then it's a huge red flag.
Also, follow up on the doctor's notes after the visit where you refused to be separated.
I think it's SecondSmartestGuy who has a tale on his substack of the doctor putting comments regarding "suspected elder abuse" when 2SG refused the "jab" for his mother. (He had power of attorney.)
Yes! NEVER separate from your dependent loved one, no matter the age. Vulnerable people need an advocate, and predatory medical practitioners know they are less
Likely to get away with their abuse and coercions when a competent and prepared family member or other personal advocate is present.
But man, tell me you will need to be seeing my children separately from me and we will be out the door. And on the phone with our legal representation at Heritage Defense if you (a medical office) make any threats about it!
They started pushing our grandson to see the pediatrician alone when he turned 10!! His mom flipped out and replied, when y'all are paying for everything this boy needs, you can see him alone!" That stopped it briefly. He's nearly 14 now and they STILL try it at every visit!
THANK YOU for saying this!
People really need to know this!!!!
Not one of my kids were ever left alone in a pediatrician's office - even when they got to be teens. If the girls went, I accompanied them and if the boys went, my husband attended. I did not trust the physicians to leave my kids with them alone but I especially did not trust the nurse practitioners who came off more as activists than as medical practitioners.
I have a friend who left her daughter unattended with an NP and the NP basically told the daughter that her mother was crazy and that the daughter should consent to the HPV shot. Fortunately, the daughter told her mom exactly what happened and they left the office for good. However, looking back on it, I think they actually had standing for some sort of legal action.
I have another acquaintance whose daughter ended up consenting to the HPV shot after the mother and daughter had previously discussed not receiving it. The daughter consented after being persuaded by the NP. Sadly, the girl went on to have terrible side effects from the shot which affected her for years.
Amen, same here.
Far too many people acquiesce to things that they think are mandatory that really aren't. Just say no. If it cannot be said with you in the room then the automatic assumption should be it's an attempt to undermine your authority.