When our ancestors first came to North America, there were no immigration laws, no welfare, no free medical, housing or anything else free. There were warring Indian tribes who fought among themselves and took land when they could.
When our ancestors first came to North America, there were no immigration laws, no welfare, no free medical, housing or anything else free. There were warring Indian tribes who fought among themselves and took land when they could.
I don't for one second support illegal immigration and handouts. But I can't accept the notion that they were dumb brutes and we were more powerful, therefore they had to give up their land. American Indians didn't accept that either.
No one said they were “dumb brutes.” Intertribal warfare was normal. The Natives ran into a stronger tribe is all. I don’t know much about the east coast except for a bit, what happened a Ft Mims, French and Indian war, there was an alliance to drive out the Europeans in the late 17th century that failed. I do know a fair amount about the Apache and Comanche wars. Look up how those two tribes tortured, killed and raped. I doubt if the roles were reversed they would have been as magnanimous to their enemies. I doubt if they would have given Europeans their own essentially sovereign nations (reservations} and enormous amounts of welfare. There is a story Crazy Horse told Gen Crook the Black Hills belong to the Sioux. Crook asked, where did you get them? Crazy Horse replied we took them from the Cheyenne.
Warfare, torture, killing, rape, and theft define dumb brutes. The Apache and Comanche won the title in 19th century Texas, but the dynamic is complex. I’m sure you know 16th century adventurers and conquistadors were appalled by cannibalism and were extremely harsh in efforts to stamp it out. Word got out among natives in New Spain. and reactions set the stage for Indian opposition for centuries. Are you familiar with the Valladolid Debate, 1550-51? They never resolved the critical issue, “gold and glory or God and glory.”
But we’re far afield from my original point: Yes, deport. Yes, make disciples for Christ where we have opportunities.
war may be for brutes but I for one, am glad that there were “brutes” at the battles of Tours in 732 and Vienna in 1683 and quite a few other historical engagements. Best of luck in your conversion efforts.
When our ancestors first came to North America, there were no immigration laws, no welfare, no free medical, housing or anything else free. There were warring Indian tribes who fought among themselves and took land when they could.
I don't for one second support illegal immigration and handouts. But I can't accept the notion that they were dumb brutes and we were more powerful, therefore they had to give up their land. American Indians didn't accept that either.
No one said they were “dumb brutes.” Intertribal warfare was normal. The Natives ran into a stronger tribe is all. I don’t know much about the east coast except for a bit, what happened a Ft Mims, French and Indian war, there was an alliance to drive out the Europeans in the late 17th century that failed. I do know a fair amount about the Apache and Comanche wars. Look up how those two tribes tortured, killed and raped. I doubt if the roles were reversed they would have been as magnanimous to their enemies. I doubt if they would have given Europeans their own essentially sovereign nations (reservations} and enormous amounts of welfare. There is a story Crazy Horse told Gen Crook the Black Hills belong to the Sioux. Crook asked, where did you get them? Crazy Horse replied we took them from the Cheyenne.
Warfare, torture, killing, rape, and theft define dumb brutes. The Apache and Comanche won the title in 19th century Texas, but the dynamic is complex. I’m sure you know 16th century adventurers and conquistadors were appalled by cannibalism and were extremely harsh in efforts to stamp it out. Word got out among natives in New Spain. and reactions set the stage for Indian opposition for centuries. Are you familiar with the Valladolid Debate, 1550-51? They never resolved the critical issue, “gold and glory or God and glory.”
But we’re far afield from my original point: Yes, deport. Yes, make disciples for Christ where we have opportunities.
war may be for brutes but I for one, am glad that there were “brutes” at the battles of Tours in 732 and Vienna in 1683 and quite a few other historical engagements. Best of luck in your conversion efforts.
Thanks. I didn't know the good guys at Tours and Vienna tortured, killed, and raped random settlers for 100 years.