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Moon Diamond's avatar

Exactly! Like the only freedom having a car gives you that couldn't be done better with a better built public transportation is that you have privacy and can carry home more groceries but even that can be taken care of. What if we had metro systems with private carriages for each passenger? And what if we could own our own shopping carts and take them around like bikes or scooters? Some scooters have mini carts in them but I mean like a bigger one. Other than that maybe private cars are useful if you want to camp out into the wilderness but those should be like private planes, only available to hobbyists with a special license or whatever and not something functional people should feel obligated to get. Even in spite of how inefficient it is I feel a lot of freedom with public transit. For example when I go to L.A., I buy a bus ticket for only 20 dollars and I don't have to worry about parking and I get a lot of exercise. The one thing that sucks is that if I don't catch the last bus home around midnight I'm stuck there until morning either inside an uncomfortable bus station or out cold in the streets like I was last month when I went to a Danny Elfman concert for my birthday and the return ticket had the wrong address printed on it so I ended up missing the bus and stranded on the streets of Long Beach until 4 in the morning. If more people had to depend on public transport that would be open all night and the freeways would be replaced with metro systems. Hopefully underground so it tears up less environment. That was the main difference between L.A. and San Diego trolleys that I've noticed; you don't get the nice view when taking the L.A. underground metro, you have to climb up and then be shocked by the bright colors and music of Hollywood Boulevard. Maybe the silver lining of this mass disabling event is that more people will be unable to drive and therefore dependent on public transport. Or maybe that will spur demand for autonomous vehicles instead. I don't trust AI at this stage. It's still stuck at the level of a human while asleep and dreaming but not lucidly. We haven't figured out how to wake it up yet.

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Scott's avatar

Sorry, but to not understand the car as freedom is blind bias to the extreme. It is the ultimate tool for going where you want, when you want. Does that come with a cost? yep.

Are you also unaware of all the public transportation that was banned to the unvaxxed in Europe and elsewhere? To think it couldn’t happen again and couldn’t be done in a more oppressive way is naive. If you think being reliant on driverless cars is distopian, we have already seen it with forced vax to use the bus/train.

It’s also very obvious you haven’t lived or been to rural America much. There is no viable and economical world where you can force all of those people to public transport without extreme hardship.

Public transport has a place in mega cities and maybe for single or older folks, but it is a boondoggle everywhere else.

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Moon Diamond's avatar

There would be no reason to ban public transportation if it comes in private carriages for each passenger/group of passengers. And if it comes frequently enough it can get you there virtually anytime you want. Or make it like an elevator where you press a button and it comes to you. Public transport could be overhauled in such a way if people stopped using cars. Private companies might be able to get in on the game too. Buy/rent your own rail carriage if the public ones are closed for whatever stupid reason (not that private corporations are any better about enabling this kind of freedom). I mean I just want a monorail from San Diego to L.A. that will get me there in under 3 hours for under $20 that runs at all hours of the day and night (L.A.'s metro is closed from around 1 until 4 in the morning)

Maybe private planes could be more of a thing if private cars go away. A plane would allow much more freedom, you wouldn't have to obey road laws, just have to worry about landing strips and if a lot of people end up using planes the skies will get crowded and they will have to be trafficked the same way streets are. Also planes would be less energy efficient since it takes a certain amount of energy to counteract the force of gravity. On the other hand you wouldn't be constrained to the taxicab metric; you would be able to cut across buildings and forests to get wherever you want "as the crow flies" which would save gas equal to the gallons per mile multiplied by c - (a+b) (if you think of the distance there as the hypotenuse c of a right triangle and the taxicab metric distance as a+b)

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