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Betsy Frost's avatar

There is such a lack of personal responsibility for health. Most people I know would rather become lifelong addicts to big pharm or have some procedure rather than do the disciplined work to stay healthy. I am so sad as more and more tell me they have heart issues or cancer. Just the other day, in a single conversation, a friend mentions receiving again her upteenth shot and then also her cancer diagnosis. They truly can't connect the dots.

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Copernicus's avatar

They've been trained over a lifetime to think in ways that avoid connecting the dots

I see soooo much now that I didn't used to see. And largely because I have been learning to see in new ways.

It's all quite sad.

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AJF's avatar

Copernicus...me too

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

That reminds me of an injury I had years ago. I tripped over some seaweed that was on the beach and wrenched my shoulder. I’m sure I tore something, but since I’m not a doctor person, I don’t know exactly. It hurt like H E 🏒🏒. The pain went on and on, and everyone asked if I was having surgery to repair it. My answer, NO. I did many natural things to help, never even taking pain meds, and after a year, it healed. I have no residual pain and FULL USE OF MY ARM just as it should be. No regrets.

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mm's avatar

I’m with you. I had a similar injury to my shoulder and after talking with a friend who is a chiropractor, I did appropriate exercises and it healed on its own. No surgery and full use of the arm and shoulder returned.

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J Boss's avatar

Same. The swing factor for me was PT would not risk further damage while surgery would hurt like HE__ and take 3-6 months to recover with more painful PT and about 50% of victims still having as much or more pain. All risk, not even a statistically sound chance of benefit.

That was a good exercise in risk to benefit analysis a year before COVID... (pun intended).

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Donna in MO's avatar

Lack of personal responsibility...for everything! That is why the D message of victimhood is so popular. If you try to point out that all of these 'victims' have some level of culpability in their situation, the hordes pounce and call you names, And if you think of yourself as a victim, you will look for someone who is going to rescue you. Enter the legions of 3 letter agencies. Maybe we need MAEA - Make Americans Empowered Again! OK not very catchy. But no one is forcing you to buy Captain Crunch, Doritos and Cheez-its.

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NormaJeanne's avatar

No one is forcing you, but making healthy organic food choices a lot more expensive is a good way to make sure the rank and file consumer trying to feed a family can’t afford to buy any. And many of the people who need a healthy diet are living in food deserts—especially in the poor neighborhoods of the inner cities. Fresh produce of any kind is almost impossible to find. It’s not only our food production that needs to be overhauled, food distribution and availability needs to be addressed. Crime is one reason poor neighborhoods suffer from food insecurity.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Sorry I don't buy that. Food deserts is a term the left loves to trot out to push some planned economy BS. I spent 5 years out of college working for Aldi and saw first hand the choices made by many food stamp customers. Cases of soda, frozen dinners and bags of snacks. If they ran short, the first thing they took out was fresh produce. Not all mind you, but enough that it was striking. Food stamps used to come out en masse first of the month, and when we placed orders for first of the month, we cut back on perishables and added extra junky stuff to the order, 2-3 generations shopping together. I 'get' that some neighborhoods it is not an easy jaunt to a decent grocery store. But I also 'get' that priorities need an adjustment. If there is a will there is a way and the sooner we stop making excuses for poor behavior the sooner we can get to solutions. My friend called me in 2020 when they were doing the USDA Farmers to Families Food Box Program - her son was volunteering with the distribution and said they had pallets of boxes of fresh produce for free and people didn't want them, asked us if we wanted one.

And the yield of organic farms is about 80% compared to conventional agriculture, and thus, prices are higher. We are taking farmland out of production in many areas at a rapid clip, and thus the question of feeding the growing population + lower yields + less acres in production has to be solved before we say we have to go 100% organic.

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Lynn's avatar

I ran into something similar awhile back at Trader Joe's. The lady in front of me didn't have enough $$ to buy her groceries. I *almost* paid for them myself, until I saw what she was putting back. It was all the one ingredient fresh food - fruits and veggies. How someone could choose a bag of chips over a beautifully ripe fresh pineapple, I will never know. To say the least, it was disheartening. In her defense, perhaps she had a perfectly good reason - but I didn't bother to ask, or to pay.

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Elizabeth's avatar

Wow, so much more to consider Donna. Thanks, for sharing your first hand experience. Your insight helps peel back those layers that need attention. We need to listen to people like yourself who exist on the front lines and less to experts who haven’t a clue about practical living but decide where the taxpayer money goes. They care nothing about the outcome of their decisions. I agree with everything you said.

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Donna in MO's avatar

It is complicated. Seems like an 'easy button' would be to transform food stamps into something like WIC, where choices are limited to certain options, like healthier choices. Teach people how to cook. There is a transitional housing program in our town that gives homeless families 3-6 months of free housing. In exchange, they are required to work, save, and attend 'boot camp' classes on everything from budgeting, cooking from scratch, parenting, etc. No alcohol or drugs allowed. 95% of those who graduate are still self sufficient 3 years later. And yet HUD has gutted funds for transitional housing programs in favor of 'housing first' programs, that do not require any lifestyle changes., This includes when Ben Carson was there. Disappointing that he did not fix this when he was there. But don't really think this was the best fit for his skillset. Bottom line for me is that social programs are really NOT about helping people, they just keep them dependent on the system, and thus voting for those who promise free stuff and excuses.

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Leo's avatar

Please post link to your town's transitional housing program. Sounds unique and intelligent.

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Donna in MO's avatar

https://hillcrestkc.org/ Great folks. They also operate thrift stores where families can get things they need + take donations & sell to the public. I have several retired friends who volunteer at the store. We donate regularly + bought stuff to equip our kids' first apartments there. Some times I drop off donations around the back then go in the front and shop. I come home and my hubby is like, I thought we were cleaning stuff out!? I just reply, I'm supporting a good cause.....

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NormaJeanne's avatar

I agree 100% with everything you say. We went from mom & pop corner grocery stores in the 60s and 70s, as well as farm markets in cities where fresh food was abundant, to the large corporate supermarkets who utilize slick marketing to confuse consumers. My father in law was a huckster with a route serving these small grocery stores in the inner cities. I saw first hand what happened to them in the late 70s and early 80s. There are multiple reasons why people are making poor food choices. Education being one. I’ve seen the success of properly administrated EFNEP/Nutrition Links programs that teach low income families how to create healthy meals using the foods available with food stamps. The women who went through these programs were saving money and preparing healthy meals for their families when follow up was done 1 to 2 years later. These programs actively recruited women from the program graduates to become nutrition education advisors (NEAs) and return to their communities to continue nutrition education. There are no home economics program in the schools anymore, so teaching people how to buy, store, and utilize produce is crucial to the success of programs like the Farmers to Families program. In PA the Dept. of Agriculture has a Farm Market Voucher program that farms can participate in that targets low income families and seniors. Cooperative Extension’s nutrition educators would set up cooking demonstrations to help customers get the most out of their purchases by teaching purchasing, storing, and cooking tips, as well as safe food handling. The Master Gardener volunteers have a Seed-to-Supper program in coordination with food pantries, community centers, and churches to teach people how to grow, harvest, and prepare fresh food. There is a lot of emphasis on how to grow produce in limited spaces using container gardening. The interest in these programs exceeds the availability of volunteers and funding. I’ve seen the same things happening with the community garden organizations in Philly. These groups are doing amazing work, but again, the need far exceeds the availability of volunteers and funding.

As for the left trotting out a food desert myth, they probably wish the supermarkets and other stores hadn’t fled Philly due to increased crime and violence because there’s a burgeoning Republican movement in the city. I never thought I would ever see a large diverse group of people standing on street corners in downtown Philadelphia waving Trump flags and wearing MAGA hats, but here we are.

There will always be a segment of the population who will consistently and enthusiastically make poor choices no matter what we do. I’d like to reduce that number of people by funding programs that encourage self sufficiency and independence. Unfortunately, our governor is too busy signing bombs and eyeing a place on the national political stage to worry about food production. Unless of course there’s some Amish farmer selling raw milk. Then the troops are called in to raid and shut them down.

But again, you are correct. There are so many things needing to be addressed it’s hard to prioritize them.

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PEL's avatar

During Covid when the shelves were empty of even produce the one thing left was kale. I found that hysterical.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Yeah, I would leave the kale behind too!

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Bryn Cannon's avatar

Kale with a little olive oil and sprinkled with a little salt, then baked in a single layer at 275 for 25 minutes is delicious!

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Concerned mom's avatar

I just used kale in my beef stew tonight... delicious! even my dog eats it!

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NAB's avatar

These are all good points, NormaJeanne. I know I've had to recently adjust my ever-increasing food expenditure budget and while we can swing it, I know not everyone has that luxury. This problem won't be solved quickly or simply and is going to take a complete paradigm shift.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Good point. I live in a rural area of SD. There is no option for organic fruit and vegetables. I rely on the local farmer’s market in the summer (which is now over) and have to drive an hour, one way, to the nearest city of any size to obtain healthier options. In the winter, the roads are hazardous.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Lots of people don’t even know how to cook cheaply and relatively healthily. They also never learned how to feed themselves on a budget. People used to be able to make do with very little because they knew how to stretch their dollars and they often could keep chickens and grow some of their own food. Even if you don’t buy organic, not using processed pre-prepared foods goes a long way to being healthier. Government programs that are supposed to “help” poor people exacerbate these issues rather than helping to mitigate them by making horrible unhealthy foods more accessible than healthy ones 😕

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CMCM's avatar

So very many people don't cook at all. My mother grew up on a farm, and she knew how to cook and was always very healthy conscious. I learned from her. Also, when I was in junior high school we had a cooking class, also sewing, and since then I never thought to NOT cook our food from scratch. I don't think cooking is taught any more. These days people don't seem to know anything about food, or how bad processed and packaged foods really are. It's sad to see. They are generally nutritional illiterates.

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Copernicus's avatar

Organic food is helpful but for most folks isn't required.

And the regular processed stuff would be just as expensive if the veg oils (corn and soy) weren't subsidized by us taxpayers via USDA money to farmers, which of course also incentivizes them to grow more of those crops. Conventional pork would be more expensive if the pig feed (corn and soy) wasn't subsidized.

So the organic stuff isn't necessarily "made" to be expensive (although the certifications are costly if you demand "proof" of organic farming). The other stuff is made to appear cheap.

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Lorita's avatar

One question to ask is why...why are organics more expensive and then ask why are walmart foods so cheap?

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Copernicus's avatar

The processed foods are subsidized. Or least the corn and soy used to make them are susbsidized by taxpayers via USDA money to farmers.

Even conventional produce is often although not always more expensive than junk food.

Organic isn't necessarily required, except for some folks. It's more expensive because yield per acre may be less, it can be more labor intensive at times, and the certification process is costly.

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RunningLogic's avatar

🎯🎯🎯

Spot on. People have lost (or never had) their sense of discipline. I know some things aren’t people’s fault but there are many cases of people just preferring the “easy” way, that doesn’t require any more effort on their part than taking a pill every day or an occasional injection at the doctor’s office. Even people who have the deck stacked against them can do a lot when they put their minds to it, I have seen countless examples. Imo discipline is a lost virtue, it’s something we as a culture need to instill more of when raising our children. It always pays off in the future.

I’m also tired of people blaming everyone but themselves for their choices and the consequences of those choices. I have been saying lately (only half jokingly) that we need a new party, the “Responsibility Party” for people to be accountable for their own life choices. Yes people can and do mess up. What you do at that point is not wallow in self pity and excuses, blaming everyone else, but pick yourself up and try again. People have lots of power when they want to use it but it’s easier to blame and whine.

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

Running logic you are right on target. .🎯 I absolutely love the responsible party. People don’t want to do anything that is hard work. Staying healthy is hard work. Choosing the right food can be challenging, but it is absolutely necessary. My coworkers find it hard to believe that I’m going to be 70 in a few months. I exercise and I eat healthy. Does that mean I don’t sometimes deviate from the best choices, of course not. But people have to be proactive in their health. We only get one body.😵‍💫

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RunningLogic's avatar

I agree. And I also believe in “treats” sometimes, it’s ok not to eat “healthy” 100% of the time. You still need to enjoy food, and life. And lots of treats aren’t even that unhealthy if you make them yourself or get them from a place that uses quality ingredients. Everything in moderation is my motto.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Amen! Preach it!!

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Freebird's avatar

Donna, yes, no one is forcing them to buy those junk products, but a side effect of eating them makes people fat AND lazy. They just want to eat the easiest, most convenient thing they can find. Cooking takes planning, effort and energy. And what most call cooking means buying pre-made casseroles and desserts and sticking them in the oven. Or assembling you own casserole from several canned, processed foods. I get sick when I see people posting these “so-called” great recipes. Throw in another bag of Great Value frozen GMO corn for extra yumminess! 🙄

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shayne's avatar

Corn, one of the most yummy veggies on the planet, is now nothing but poison. High-fructose corn syrup may as well be labeled "rat poison" and it's a chemical our bodies don't recognize and can't metabolize, and it's in everything, and often listed within the first three ingredients.

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Freebird's avatar

I have to confess that I do eat organic blue corn tortilla chips. 🤭

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Dr Linda's avatar

I saw the Kelce brothers are pushing cereals. That makes me angry and sad.

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Ellen Youngling's avatar

Wasn't Travis pushing the shots, too? Cuz don't know how he'd make ends meet if he didn't have a side hustle.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Yes, the combo shot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZZugF3Iabo Lost respect for him when he was a drunken buffoon at the first Super Bowl parade.

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PEL's avatar

He was. F..er, compromising young peoples’ health for money. Shame.

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NormaJeanne's avatar

Follow the money! They could just as easily promote a balanced diet, but there’s no dollars attached to that.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Just like the idiot Kelce brother pushing the covid DeathVax.

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SusanMc's avatar

No souls. Only $$$$

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shayne's avatar

Celebs are often used to push products, even medical products. Mahomes was featured on the Wheaties box a few years ago.

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Emumundo's avatar

Wheaties always tries to put superior athletes on their boxes. In the ‘70’s I worked for Kellogg- who had a lions share of the market at that time. In my weekly report I would tell them the market was shifting and they should look to healthier products. Silly me, that didn’t age well. During the time I was there Bruce Jenner won the decathlon and everyone loved Bruce. And he graced the cover of the Wheaties box. The feds investigated this as false advertising and wanted to bring suit against General Mills for false advertising. Turns out Bruce really did eat Wheaties during his training. Your tax dollars at work.

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shayne's avatar

I remember Jenner on the Wheaties box.

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Copernicus's avatar

Kellogs was started by a guy who was Seventh Day Adventist. SDA teaches that meat and animal products cause people to sin, this we should be vegetarians.

I don't particularly care what a person believes, until he pushes that as a "healthier" option while in reality his beliefs are driving his propaganda. I say propaganda because vegetarianism is actually not necessarily healthy and many folks who could be relieved of their obesity and diabetes are not because they think meat and animal fats are harmful.

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Emumundo's avatar

True. I was a vegetarian for years until my iron levels bottomed out. I now have to eat meat and it’s keeping me alive. Moderation in all things. Except cereal. You can skip cereal.

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Donna in MO's avatar

There was actually a catalog item where you could get yourself on a Wheaties box. Our son never actually ate Wheaties but he thought it was cool so ordered one with a pic of him crossing the finish line when he was running cross country and it hung in his bedroom for years.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Do you all remember how many celebrities made commercials and continue to make commercials for the COVID vaccines? 🤨 Even way back with the Andy Griffith show they pushed the Tetanus shots and they used the fear to push it.

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CMCM's avatar

Athletes have always pushed cereals, it seems. Remember the Wheaties boxes?

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RJ Rambler's avatar

But WELL fare. 😡

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Stacy's avatar

There is absolute truth in your message, but it’s also helpful to know that we are being manipulated. Farmed, really. Remember the tobacco lawsuits from the’90s? The tobacco companies just went on to junk food. Read Salt Sugar Fat by Michael Moss. Our serfdom gets a big start at the grocery store and ends in hospitals (for the lucky ones) and nursing homes (for the unfortunates). Forewarned is forearmed.

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Susan Banks's avatar

Hallelujah Donna!! You said it perfectly

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Sal_Peenx's avatar

...or take crazy classes in college that turn your brain to mush.

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Shelley's avatar

Let us also not forget that in cities with food deserts, as in St. Louis, MO, the prosecuting attorney, Kim Gardner, (St. Louis is not the only city operating in this way) would not prosecute crime. Temp tags that expired in 2021, no license plates, no insurance, and treating stoplights and stop signs as optional. I will say that the Aldi I went to while visiting there did NOT have self checkouts. There is so much theft, I don't know how these grocery stores stay in business. If law enforcement could enforce the laws already on the books, perhaps these cities would experience some relief.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I worked for Aldi in the early 90's - a long time ago now, but towards the end of my time there, they closed a couple of the inner city stores, they weren't profitable. I worked primarily in the burbs, and then when I became a regional mgr, my territory was mostly rural. But spent a few months in one of the inner city stores. It was trashed almost daily around the 1st of the month. People discarding perishable items in the canned good aisle, someone breaking a jar of jelly or dropping a carton of eggs and then people just running their carts over the mess, not telling anyone a cleanup was needed, thefts, and so on. Ended up re-opening inner city locations when local pols started accusing them of racism when the 'food desert' term entered the lexicon in the early 2000's. No idea if they are now profitable, or whether their existence is written off as a cost of doing business.

And yes, KC is similar. Down 300 police officers, morale is in the tank as too many criminals are not prosecuted, crime is oozing out into the burbs and yes, temp tags are forever.

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AJF's avatar

Betsy, my sister just texted me that we lost 2 childhood friends this week....one died in her sleep and they don't know why (of course they don't!) and they other with sudden onset brain cancer! She has no clue shots may be causing harm!

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SusanMc's avatar

Willful blindness?

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AJF's avatar

Well her daughter (my niece) has tried to enlighten her but my sister tells her she's crazy. I say nothing because I don't trust her husband..

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RunningLogic's avatar

Oh wow 😞 So sad 😢

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Robin Greer's avatar

Very sad and I'm hearing things like this as well.

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CGL's avatar

Yes! I have been a nurse for almost 20 years and this is exactly what I see. There is plenty of blame to place on our institutions for this mess, but we also have to look in the mirror. People have blindly accepted pharmaceuticals, surgeries, and multiple doctor’s appointments for every little ailment. And you are correct, many don’t want anything different. They want an easy fix. It is very sad to watch. They want their drugs. All of them. I have tried to gently point them in different directions and they will defend all their drugs and try rationalize why they “need” them, or think I’m crazy. I just try to plant little seeds and hope it eventually clicks one day. Our lives don’t have to be this way, revolving around modern healthcare . It truly is shocking how so many people live in the Hell that is our modern healthcare.

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CMCM's avatar

There are people who think drugs can fix any and everything, just take a pill for it. Look at Ozempic for weight loss...why don't the doctors teach their overweight patients about nutrition and how to eat in order to lose weight instead of having them take drugs? But people want a quick fix and not have to change anything.

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Helen Barnett's avatar

🥺

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Barbara Moser, RNC's avatar

That is very true. There are many people who will choose a pill or a shot to lose weight instead of actually dieting and exercising daily.

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Bmused2's avatar

I'm really into holistic health. Had a family member come visit last month. She is overweight. She asked me if there was any pill over the counter she could take to help her lose weight. I told her she could take berberine which would help her glucose levels, but she needed to fix her diet. She eats constantly and it's all processed foods, never drinks water, always cokes. I told her she needed to cut all that out. She didn't want to hear that. People are lazy and too comfortable. They want an easy fix and still be able to live the lifestyle they always have. She is younger than me and already had a stent put in and also had a stroke. And she's not jabbed.

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Leah Rose's avatar

I think more than lazy, they are addicted. Addictions are hard to break. The fact that (as RFK Jr. points out) food companies have (former tobacco) scientists in labs creating additives which will make the food addictive is the key to the whole mess. It's possible to change and get healthy, but first people have to connect the dots: understand they are addicted and that their health issues are the result.

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CStone's avatar

Addiction is not a disease. It’s a series of choices.

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Leah Rose's avatar

Choices lead to addictions, and also get us out of them. My point is that it helps to understand that your diet is filled with addictive substances. It's not about abdicating responsibility but gaining empowering knowledge that can help support better, conscious choices.

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Robin Greer's avatar

I spoke with a retired friend who worked as a nurse in mental hospitals. She said she never treated people who were addicted as victims. She said that if they never understood that where they were was the result of life choices, they would never change. Until they take responsibility for their actions, no change will ever occur.

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Susan Seas's avatar

🎯 ⬆️ 💯 ‼️

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

Your right Leah Rose, the processed food, is full of addicting additives. And people just don’t wanna work hard to get unaddicted. It’s a shame. Sugar is as equally addictive as crack for some people.😢

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Leah Rose's avatar

Being someone who no longer eats sugar because I became addicted, I can vouch for your statement.

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Bmused2's avatar

I fully understand the addiction. But if you want to do something bad enough, you find a way to do it, addiction or not. And if you refuse to even consider it, I just don't know. It's sad.

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NAB's avatar

The addiction associated with food is a little different than the addictions associated with alcohol or drugs or nicotine. We NEED to eat food but we can live our whole life without consuming the latter substances. I certainly was not aware of how addictive sugar is for most people. Similarly, I had no idea they genetically modify fruit varieties to be sweeter and therefore, more addictive. This isn't simply a matter of "well just stop eating what's bad for you." People need to be educated that it is even happening and then given alternatives. Some will make changes and some won't. Tale as old as time.

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Michele's avatar

I miss the old pineapples that were actually tart. Now they are just sweet syrup. When they have any flavor at all. Organic Maui Jet Fresh used to be good, but it was too expensive for them to continue bringing over to mainland.

It's like the honeycrisp apple. I call it the ignorant person's apple (sorry if you like them). There are soooooo many better apples out there, but people are afraid of complex flavors now, it seems. Has to be 100% sweet and only sweet. Or the tart can't be too assertive, or peeps freak out.

I sold apples wholesale and at farmer's markets for years. At the FM, I always tried to educate my custy's about each apple variety, why we didn't sell the "club" apples (the one's you have to pay a fee to grow, like Opal (TM) etc.). What always got me was people asking for honeycrisp, which we had but only for 2 weeks at a time, and when I would suggest something similar (crunchy, juicy, sweet-tart, and no WAY does it bruise as easily as a honeycrisp) they just could not experiment. Not even for one. They would rather go to a store and buy offshore product or WA out of controlled atmosphere, all of it disintegrating by the minute.

SMH

Education is key, but a little curiosity would help too.

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Leo's avatar

Michele, what's your favorite apple?

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Michele's avatar

ASHMEAD'S KERNAL FOR THE WIN!!!!

Spitzenberg, Black Twig, Arkansas Black, Pippen, and Hauer Pippen all close seconds.

For a "Mainstream" apple 🤣 I like Mutsu or Jonagold.

EDIT: a good alternative to Honeycrisp that you can find in a store (it is a club apple though) is Cosmic Crisp. It is not at all the same look, but super crunchy (has thicker skin so won't bruise as easily), good sweet/tart balance.

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Leo's avatar

Num, thanks. BTW my dad used to love Macintosh apples. Rome Beauties seemed to be favored, too.

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Michele's avatar

Oh, I forgot about Romes (ate those when I lived on East Coast). Those are great, I liked Macouns when I was back there too. We don't have those, and no good Macintosh here.

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NAB's avatar

We love apples in NY and my favorite varieties are Empire and Cortland. I like crisp, tartish and white-flesh. Macintosh can be either really good, or just meh depending on the particular harvest year. Pippen are good too. I can live with Galas. One variety I really have never liked or understood the popularity of: Red Delicious. Yuck.

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Stacy's avatar

Perfect.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Have you noticed that all the weight loss programs (Noom, Weight Watchers, etc) are all prescribing weight loss meds?

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Leah Rose's avatar

I wasn’t aware of that. Wow. Just crazy. And sad.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

What a shame! She’s being drugged with that food, in the past year I’ve done a serious redo with my food…slowly but surely I’ve lost 20lbs, I haven’t started a work out plan yet but that’s step two. Figure if I can lose another 20 this year I’ll be where I want to be on the scale. It’s reducing one thing at a time, IMHO, drastic measures only work 5% of the time, I finally feel like I get it! AND NO shots in my stomach!! 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

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Stacy's avatar

It’s 80% diet, 20% exercise. You have your priorities straight. You can’t outrun a bad diet and you’ll see faster, better results from your exercise by fueling your body the right way.

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STH's avatar

Getting a dog will motivate you to get out and walk every day 😊 That’s all your body needs to have a healthy heart. Add some weights 3 days a week and you’ll have healthy bones too.

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NAB's avatar

Gigi - do you mind sharing some of the modifications you've undertaken?

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

For one thing I don’t drink pop, I may have some diet lemonade but otherwise just water and tea. I do a bit of fasting, not every day but probably 4-5 days a week I don’t eat breakfast. I don’t (if I can) eat after 6:00, only drink water. Snacking is hard for me, I love crunchy 🤦🏻‍♀️ so I substituted crackers/cheese etc with pistachios. I’ve just recently given those up and replaced with veggies. Frankly, it’s just pulling out or changing a bad food habit and adding a better one. What can you substitute that’s healthy for something you love. One big one, last week, I gave up coffee (with cream 😭) it’s not been easy but I do feel better and now drinking tea in the morning.

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NAB's avatar
Oct 15Edited

Thank you! I really like crunchy snacks too - good suggestion regarding veggies. Did you give up coffee because of the cream? Do you not like unadulterated coffee? I'm not a huge coffee drinker and much prefer tea, but that is the one time I do add some sugar.

EDIT: just saw your response to Robin. I drink one cup of 1/3 caffeinated coffee in the morning and then one cup of tea in the afternoon (it's a ritual with my husband - we sit down for a cuppa and talk about our day on our back deck weather permitting).

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Robin Greer's avatar

As far as giving up the coffee with cream, I saw on Shark Tank that a woman who gave up coffee came up with a non coffee coffee made with chicory and carob. It's called SIPS. The panel all liked the drink but no one invested. I'm thinking of giving it a try as it would be better for me than coffee.

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Leah Rose's avatar

Teechino is made with chicory; you can buy it in a bag to brew like tea. I buy the one with dandelion, which has its own health benefits. Just know that chicory is a prebiotic fiber so a lot of people tolerate it only in moderate amounts. https://a.co/d/753kajb

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

Thanks I’ll check it out…honestly the withdrawal from the caffeine is the hardest. I was a 3 cup a morning (espresso) drinker. Not small cups either. My body was telling me it’s time to stop…🤷🏻‍♀️

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PEL's avatar

I make brewed green tea, then over ice in a pitcher. It keeps my husband away from soda. And good for men anyway.

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Michele's avatar

Love this--haha I am pulling my carrots and celery out of my lunch bag now! Gotta have the crunch!

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rolandttg's avatar

So true. Sadly, our daughter always looked to pills to fix everything instead of changing her lifestyle. The bartender at a restaurant told us she had a hip replacement and in the next month , will have both knees replaced. She's 47. Lifestyle people. Diet. Cancer in a can, fried everything, fast food, and processed food will destroy your body. None of it is food.

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Robin Greer's avatar

😔😑 So sad to hear.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Coke? Diet? How many skinny ppl drink diet drinks? Maybe I don't pay attention unless they are obese. I've been obese most of my life. Educated by an upside down pyramid built by GOV acronyms and payouts.

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NAB's avatar

The food pyramid and then the stupid, "healthy plate," did so much damage. Anecdotally, I gave up drinking my afternoon can of Coke one year for Lent and in 6 weeks, making absolutely no other change in my diet or exercise habits, had dropped 7 pounds. It was crazy.

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rolandttg's avatar

Got a goofier one for you, 21 years ago, I built our stone house, with help of course . Each day at lunch, the stone mason and I would go into town for fast food. I got a Burger King Angus burger and a small fry. Drank water. Gave half the fries to my 2 dogs. In 2 weeks , I put on 5 pounds. I switched to a bowl of ice cream at lunch. In a week, I dropped the 5 pounds.

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NAB's avatar

Just crazy!

One winter in upstate NY - probably about 20 years ago now - my FIL was having to shovel his driveway on an almost daily basis. Well, by the time winter was over, he had dropped 10 pounds. Again. No other dietary changes, just a daily dose of physical activity. It made an impression on me. Same thing happened when he took on building a retaining wall in his yard.

The Lent I gave up drinking Coke was probably 20 years ago now and I can't even take a swallow of the stuff now. Once you lose the taste - it's gone.

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rolandttg's avatar

Yup. Same with sugar in coffee. We drink Zero sodas. And don't add ice to anything. Should have mentioned that in the protocols.

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Pam's avatar

Just curious, why don't you add ice? My mom doesn't like drinking water at all, but adds lots of ice to everything. I was happy about this because I thought that all the ice would help with hydration, no?

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rolandttg's avatar

Anything below body temperature requires the body to spend energy to heat the food or liquid. Energy that an be used for better purposes. Been told this, and read this, a number of places.

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NAB's avatar

Yes, true. Many years ago, experts suggested people trying to lose weight put ice in their drinks so as to force them to use more energy to warm it up!

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Pam's avatar

Huh, very interesting. Thanks for your reply!

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rolandttg's avatar

have a friend that drinks only warm water. I settle for room temperature

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RunningLogic's avatar

Wow 😮

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Heather's avatar

I don’t lose weight unless I also lose my recurring soda addiction (honestly, I will have one after several weeks without and it tastes like the chemicals it’s filled with….but I push through and finish it anyhow!!! So stupid of me, it’s embarrassing! But I can be stronger than this damn addiction….had soda on a long drive yesterday to stay awake, but not having it again on the drive home!! I might force some coffee down my throat and learn to like that somehow but soda has to be off the table!)

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NAB's avatar

I love your self-deprecating humility. You can do this!! :)

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Robin Greer's avatar

How long did they laugh at Atkins? He was telling everyone in the 80's to stop the carbs. He lived into his 80's and till his dying day the media ridiculed him. But he knew the problem was the American diet.

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Freebird's avatar

I believe one of the worst addictions in America are “diet” drinks. I used to work with a guy who was obese and he was constantly drinking a diet Dr. Pepper. He had twelve or more every day. I really wanted to tell him that they weren’t working. The chemical additives in those drinks are highly addictive and destructive to your metabolism. It’s sad that the health of so many has been ruined by lies.

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CMCM's avatar

I've never understood how anyone could drink multiple sodas a day....diet or otherwise.

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NAB's avatar

YES! Not enough people know this about diet drinks.

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Laura Barrett's avatar

I’m starting a group FOR FREE on Substack and X November 1. We’re going to dive into the nitty gritty how to fix your food problems for life This is for any budget, and any stage of life. I’ve healed so many diagnoses and the beginning of all healing is, let your food be your medicine.

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DK's avatar

Do you have links to your Substack and X yet?

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Jaci's avatar

You might have lipedema which makes losing weight in hips and thighs almost impossible.

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J Boss's avatar

Start them off with one change they can hold that has a positive impact they can see or feel.

That leads to motivation to look for the next sustainable change.

"A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.". Somebody smart said that once, probably a little different and a long time ago. Wise.

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J Boss's avatar

Exercise helps, even just walking. Daughter can't stand to "just walk," so she took up pickleball after years of tennis. Easier to find people to play 3+ times a week.

She pestered me to play several times a week, which told me she was serious about the change. That lead to us playing 2-3 times a week. Mostly try to play when she can't find anyone else so she doesn't HAVE to suffer through walking. But she will walk or play every single day now.

Huge change, lost 20 lbs the first month, now looking for the next thing she can improve. She was finally ready.

One step forward that you can sustain leads to another...

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J Boss's avatar

Sorry for the spam...

I have 3 ppl in my close circle that started looking for a way to improve health when a med test result showed concern the second time. First time ignored, second got their attention. I've talked for years about friends that got healthier with diet and exercise changes.

One got the pre diabetic scare. Walked 5 miles 2X per week like she was training for the Olympics. Now she runs 3X per week and competes in 10K races. She won her age bracket recently for the first time. Loves running, can't stand tennis or pickleball. Counts carbs bc that was he main food obsession.

And now has much improved blood pressure. And not remotely close to pre diabetic.

Another one... went to doc with extreme blood pressure, doc says go to ER, he refuses (no insurance). Decided to start walking an hour a day. Half mile first time. A year later, he's up to four miles a day, always in the South Texas heat and humidity. He says he's paying the price for his ignorance. Down 50 lbs to a healthy weight, looks great. Now eating better with a similar step by sustainable step approach to improve.

Anyone motivated can do it, one step at a time.

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NAB's avatar

Incredible.

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NAB's avatar

That's a great and inspiring anecdote. May her success continue!

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Emumundo's avatar

Fat encapsulates poisons in your system that would be damaging if they entered your bloodstream. Get rid of the toxins and the fat just disappears. This also applies to medications. Many ailments that people are taking prescriptions for can be remedied with natural protocols. Drugs disrupt body processes.

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Kathy's avatar

Maybe if she was paying a nutritionist, she might behave better. It’s the same reason people hire a personal trainer even when they know how to exercise themselves.

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Jpeach's avatar

Most everyone I know is Covid/Vax brainwashed. They implicitly trust their doctors and when the booster doesn’t work, they honestly believe “it could have been so much worse if I had not taken the booster.” It’s maddening! When I suggest the booster is not safe and ineffective, I get the silent treatment.

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rolandttg's avatar

Again, to quote a former HR friend. "life is hard on stupid people".

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Robin Greer's avatar

Saw this funny quote on a meme: " When you're dead, you don't know you're dead, the pain is felt by others. The same thing happens when you are stupid."

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Jaci's avatar

Dumbing down with fluoride in the water doesn't help!

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rolandttg's avatar

Our biological dentist immigrated from Iran when she was 19. she noticed a lot of people weren't as smart as she thought they would be. When she found we fluoridated the water, she said "ah hah".

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Cheyenne's avatar

Indeed....ignorant people are hard on sane people as well

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Kathy's avatar

I guess the best you can do would be to lead them to or print out the Cleveland clinic study of its own 51,000 employees which found that the more booster someone had, the more often they got Covid. The group with the least Covid was the unvaccinated.

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STH's avatar

I actually shared that study with my naturopath two years ago. She had NO idea 🤦‍♀️

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Robin Greer's avatar

They just repeat what they have been told. It's truly cult like and very frightening.

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Stacy's avatar

I think many of us do, to one extent or another. The thing is to choose the right voices to repeat.

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

I just laugh when they use that line and tell them there's NO WAY to design a scientific trial to prove or disprove that statement, not unless you used Mengele-like tactics with twins and deliberate, identical infection after having "boosted" only one twin.

I just get the blank stare as a result.

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SM's avatar

People want pills and easy fixes for their bad health habits. Big pharma doesn’t really have to push very hard to sell their drugs. They can’t produce some of them fast enough 😂

Just give them their pills and jabs and send them on their way to chronic disease, depression and nutrient deficiencies.

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Kathy's avatar

And I know many people have Doctor worship. I’ll never understand that. I’ve seen good ones and bad ones, and very few who have moral courage.

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rolandttg's avatar

Studies have shown sheep actually connote a lab coat with smarts and defer to them. Impressive (stupid as eff). isn't it. But then again, shallow is a hallmark of the smart phone droids.

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nt's avatar

Ozempic !! 😳

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SM's avatar

Yes, another slow-kill weapon that is marketed as an

“eat what you want, no need to exercise“ solution. My male coworker who is diabetic was prescribed Ozempic to fix all his problems. He ended up hospitalized with severe intestinal inflammation, antibiotic resistant infections and other complications.

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LMWC's avatar

BIL got covid for the third time last week. Said it was so bad even his eyeballs hurt. Jabbed twice and boostered at least once. On Paxlovid. The first time he got it was August of 21, shortly after his first two jabs. Next time was in the winter of 22. He waited to go to his winter place in FL until he could get a booster. I want to literally scream at him, what do you not get.

So many acquaintances go on social media complaining about getting covid for the third and fourth times after being jabbed and boostered, each time sicker, and commiserating about Paxlovid like it’s some secret club they are in.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

One of the drugs in Paxlovid has a FDA black box warning on it.

Your doctor won't tell you.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Yes, you are not supposed to take it if you have heart issues, but doctors do not read the warnings and neither do the pharmacists. We had an elderly friend with a heart condition who got COVID last year and his doctor put him on Paxlovid. We warned him not to take it. He took it for a day and then stopped.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Paxlovid didn't perform as well as placebo...

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SusanMc's avatar

🫣

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rolandttg's avatar

A friend told me a co worker's father was given Paxlovid right after it came out. Can't remember what he went to the Big Pharma sales rep (that's a doctor, to sheep) for, but he was given a covid test first, which of course came out positive.

He died the next day. Coincidence I'm sure.

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Verve's avatar

Ohhh that just makes me sick. I'm so sorry to hear this. Both of my younger siblings now have bad cases of glaucoma from the jab

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Pat Wetzel's avatar

Some years ago I had a website about taking charge of your health in the face of cancer. I naively thought that cancer would be enough of a wakeup call that people would choose to live a more conscious and informed life. I was wrong. Even in the face of cancer, I guestimate that no more than 10-15% of people make any significant changes to their lives. Go figure.

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Double Mc's avatar

I had lymphoma 23 years ago, went the chemo/radiation route (had two kids, and didn't know any better at the time). I was shocked at how much junk food was eaten in the chemo room (sometimes we were there for 8 hours). A candy dish at the reception desk. Not one word about nutrition from the doctors or nurses, and I was chewed out for taking vitamins. Apparently taking care of your body means helping the cancer. SMH.

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rolandttg's avatar

When my wife talked to the surgeon after her initial diagnosis, and scheduled a mastectomy (later canceled) he never asked anything about our lifestyle, nor mentioned nutrition. Slash, burn, poison. All they know, all they are allowed to do.

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Double Mc's avatar

Sadly, that's true. How long ago was this, and how is your wife?

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rolandttg's avatar

She is fine. Went completely holistic to cure it, diet and lifestyle change. No pain ever. Smaller (dead) tumor is still there, and the breast shrunken and a bit deformed, but the cancer is gone. She feels great, exercises 3X week with me, and lives a normal (new lifestyle) life. July 23 2021 was the date she found out.

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Heather's avatar

Thank you for sharing this!! I cannot hear enough stories about healing cancer naturally, especially given how poorly I treated my body in the past….if your wife can heal cancer naturally, virtually any ailment can be healed naturally (I have none and with changes I made, should just get healthier….but love the reminders from people like you and your wife that this is the way we are meant to live)

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rolandttg's avatar

You saId it perfectly. Depression is caused mainly by diet too, as are almost all ailments. The one thing people are lacking, aside fro the obvious lack of individual responsibility, is self discipline.

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Double Mc's avatar

I am so glad to hear that! I wish you both all the best.

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Robin Greer's avatar

😳😳😳

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rolandttg's avatar

Pretty much my experience. And here these brain dead droids are taking to a 4 leaf clover guy, someone who has actually cured cancer naturally with no oncologist involved, and still they aren't curious. It boggles my mind.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Most people implicitly trust the medical industry (doctors/hospitals). That's what made the COVID plandemic so easy.

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Debbie Wagner's avatar

I knew a couple, wonderful people, but brainwashed. They couldn’t wait for the Jab to come out. I mentioned to them that it was experimental and that maybe they should wait to see if it’s safe. They did not listen and got the jabs as soon as they were available. Within months the wife was diagnosed with aggressive breast cancer. After a year of chemo/radiation it went into remission. Then the husband was diagnosed with throat cancer. He died two years ago of multiple organ failure cause by the cancer and the cancer treatments. She died three weeks ago of triple negative breast cancer.

I miss them terribly.

I know many other vaxxed individuals who have died or who are now experiencing severe health problems since the vaxx.

When will people wake up and realize what has been done to us? When will the criminal perpetrators be held accountable?

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

The dead can't be awakened.

Those still alive are hopelessly indoctrinated.

I don't associate with the nearly dead or those who cannot think for themselves and merely repeat "headline news" lines as though they wrote them.

"5% of the people think ten percent of the people think they think;

and the other eighty-five percent would rather die than think."‐‐ Thomas Edison

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Prions in the brain from the covid DeathVax.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Who’s weird? I know many people with similar thoughts. They aren’t thinking or aren’t capable of thinking

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

They have the trust part, but no verify.

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JW's avatar

Has anyone else noticed an uptick with pacemaker implants? Three folks in my circle, all vaxxed just recently received one.

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Politico Phil's avatar

All I got to say is.... LOL

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RJ Rambler's avatar

To a point crying for them becomes wasted energy.

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Susan Banks's avatar

Sickening

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Dick Davis's avatar

Arf Arf

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