I know and I tell God everyday the animal sacrifices were not a good look in the OT and NT and that the animals are innocent and should have been left alone. Not sure what He thinks of that but I cannot change my heart on that subject. God made me and He knows this too. Avo and bean burger is yummy too. I did a rotation at a few slaughterhouses and it was beyond gruesome. I was crying the whole time at what the animals were actively going through and what was done to them. I was sick everyday through that 3 week rotation.
It should not have happened IMHO. Period. God and I will hash this out in time. Until then, you do you and I will do me. Thank you CC. Blessed Easter to you.
Dean, thank you for your comment but I have no peril to my Soul. I will continue to communicate with my Lord as I do no matter what anyone else says. Please take care of your own Soul and leave mine to me. Blessed Easter to you and yours.
The fate of your soul is not up to you. The fate of you soul is up to God. You are either saved, or you are not, and there is nothing you can DO to determine its fate.
If you think that there is something YOU can DO to detemine your fate, then Christ died in vain. He did for us what we cannot do ourselves, because we are all born in sin, and the only sinless person who ever lived was Jesus, God the Son, who died as a sacrificial atonement for our sins. We can do things to affect our fate while on this earth, but our eternal destiny is in the hands of God, and God only.
Based on what Lori posted, it would appear that she believes she is actually in control over her own destiny and can be saved by works. The apostle Paul, among others, is very clear on that: "For by GRACE are you saved THROUGH FAITH, and NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
Have you read Job? God is God, and you’re not. But, I do understand. I, too, love animals, and nothing gives me more sleepless nights than animal abuse.
Yes I have read Job and find it disturbing that God let Satan do his thing with Job. It hurts my heart to read about it. God already knew the outcome so frustrating at the very least. I have expressed my discontent over this with God and that whole scenario. Thank you for loving the animals as they are part of creation like we are and are a joy to behold.
I talk to Him all the time and I never said He is incorrect. I said we will hash it out. I don't pay attention to being labeled as something. God knows my intentions and my heart/Soul. You label me what you will, it does not matter to me and I do not care what humans think to label me. Wishing you a wonderful weekend, Blessed Easter! Bye CC:}
I find it hurts my heart/Soul to their core. I cannot understand all that God does and will have to accept the fact I will most likely never know or understand His actions.
Two movies on the subject incapsulate it for me (concerning the slaughterhouse);
Earthlings
Temple Grandin
I am not for the disrepect of animals lives in slaugherhouses, and would like all animals who are raised for human consumption to be humanely slaughtered.
Having said that, I can't afford Meriweather Farms and Prepper Beef, at this point in my life, even though I need the protein in my diet.
After the Flood, God told Noah and his family to add meat to their previously all vegetarian diet. I don't know if that is necessary now, but it was at the time.
I respect you for doing what is best for you, Lori.
Thank you for your comment Anita. I met Temple Grandin! She is amazing and is all about animal welfare for CAFO animals and others. She is a Light in the animal industrial complex. It was an honor to meet her and talk with her for a little while. This is a topic that I explain to God I will agree to disagree with Him on the sacrifice of animals and eating them. He made me so He understands my stubbornness on this subject matter. Heavy sigh. Blessed Easter to you and yours.
I would not have realized she even had autism had I not known before meeting her. I would have thought she was just quiet. I will never forgot our meeting as she is one of my heroes.
Im so tired of the vegans. their issue is literally /ALL THEY /SEE. I am descended from NATIVE AMERICANS who ate meat. All Os need to eat meat to stay healthy. Please litigate this issue on your own fora and quit subjecting the rest of us to it.
And I am tired of the likes of you so please litigate your issue on your own fora and quit subjecting the rest of us to it. Peace out and Happy Easter to all. And I never said I was a vegan.
I do not go to church so do not take communion. I have in the past but do not know if that counts to God. So if I die before you, I will try to send a signal and let you know what happened! Egads.
Funny you bring that up. I meant to ask you what spirituality you follow. Are you sure you are really and truly an all in agnostic? All the wonders of the world could not have come from a primordial ooze.
The definition is "a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable".
I think there must be some force, or even a deity, behind this reality... but I admit, unlike most, that I just don't know.
That's why I can be a bit snarky with people that think that THEY have the ONLY truth... and their "truth" is very narrow, restrictive, sadistic and often, absurd.
I understand. My parents sent me to Lutheran schools as a child. They (the Lutheran schools) drilled into me that all Jewish people would go to Hell bc they did not believe in Jesus. I knew instinctively even at that age this was not right. And you can imagine what they taught me about the Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus and the list goes on. I rejected all that early on knowing that God, at the end of the day, will work it all out even if I do not understand how. I have high hopes that one day the Holy Spirit will fill you with knowledge and truth in your very Soul that God exists. But in the meantime, I appreciate you nonetheless.
Your Christian God demanded animal sacrifices for MANY MANY years, prior to his sacrificing his own son... according to dogma... right?
Imagine how many sheep, lambs, doves, etc, etc were killed to appease Him! Blood thirsty, a bit? Passover-like?
Almost like the primitives sacrificing humans to THEIR "Gods"... no?
Is not communion still the eating of Christ's actual flesh and drinking his blood (according to Catholics), to re-live the blood sacrifice... or at least representative of that (for other Christian dogmas)?
Heavy sigh, God is truly a mystery and parts of the Bible make me very sad for humans and animals alike. I still can't believe God would sacrifice the 1st borns of Egypt as they were children, babies. Most were not even adulterated yet. That is a very hard pill to swallow. Adults are one thing, children, babies are another IMHO. Another heavy sigh. Blessed Easter or Passover to you AD, whichever you celebrate.
Ok, agnostic it is although I hope someday even with the harshness in the Bible you reconsider. But I certainly respect whatever you feel. I assumed you were Christian bc your profile pic reminds me of what Jesus may have looked like. Foolish me, I know.
I never watched the movie. Perhaps I will when I have more free time. Nothing like a real deep down belly laugh as it is good for the body and Soul! I had one the other day and laughed for about 4 minutes straight. It was wonderful.
Keep your heart and mind open for that visit. It will happen! And when it does, you can decide yea or nay. Free will of course.
This is evidence that you don't know God. God is not a man. He is the Creator and He's made a plan and written a story that includes us and is far away and above us. Thankfully He has left many evidences and even a Book about who He is and what His plan for humanity on Earth is about. There's much more that He has done and is doing outside of our ability to know.
Of course He is a man in Spirit form and the Creator RJ! And I do know God, quite well in fact. But yes to all the other comments you made! Enjoy your evening!
we can and do support the END OF THE HORRIBLE SLAUGHTERHOUSE CONDITIONS and animals living healthy happy free lives and still live and let live. without all the guilt and manipulation, hey?
Amen. I think slaughterhouse nastiness needs to end and animals should be raised in optimal conditions, with the cost of meat reflective of their proper care.
You know Jesus himself ate fish and lamb and other critters.
But hey, I enjoy a fine bean-burger too. With a slice of avo.
I know and I tell God everyday the animal sacrifices were not a good look in the OT and NT and that the animals are innocent and should have been left alone. Not sure what He thinks of that but I cannot change my heart on that subject. God made me and He knows this too. Avo and bean burger is yummy too. I did a rotation at a few slaughterhouses and it was beyond gruesome. I was crying the whole time at what the animals were actively going through and what was done to them. I was sick everyday through that 3 week rotation.
Compared to the sacrifice of the Son of God, animal sacrifices were nothing. They pointed the people to the coming, in their day, crucifixion.
Yes. God used the skin of an innocent animal to cover Adam and Eve. The first sign of what was to come. Easter is upon us. Blessings abound!
Animal sacrifices to a "God" is never "nothing"...
They represent a primitive mythology of appeasing a brutal, sadistic and blood-thirsty "God".
JMHO... of course.
It should not have happened IMHO. Period. God and I will hash this out in time. Until then, you do you and I will do me. Thank you CC. Blessed Easter to you.
Your theology rejects huge swaths of the Bible including Romans 10:9 and 10 which is perilous to the soul who ignores them.
Yes,, humans MUST live in fear of broiling in hellfire for eternity... most "religions" run the same SCAM... brings in a ton of loot...
You don't seem to be much different from the Aztecs, to me.
Dean, thank you for your comment but I have no peril to my Soul. I will continue to communicate with my Lord as I do no matter what anyone else says. Please take care of your own Soul and leave mine to me. Blessed Easter to you and yours.
The fate of your soul is not up to you. The fate of you soul is up to God. You are either saved, or you are not, and there is nothing you can DO to determine its fate.
We will respectfully agree to disagree. Blessed Easter to you John and your family.
If you think that there is something YOU can DO to detemine your fate, then Christ died in vain. He did for us what we cannot do ourselves, because we are all born in sin, and the only sinless person who ever lived was Jesus, God the Son, who died as a sacrificial atonement for our sins. We can do things to affect our fate while on this earth, but our eternal destiny is in the hands of God, and God only.
same as above. ty John.
Based on what Lori posted, it would appear that she believes she is actually in control over her own destiny and can be saved by works. The apostle Paul, among others, is very clear on that: "For by GRACE are you saved THROUGH FAITH, and NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
Have you read Job? God is God, and you’re not. But, I do understand. I, too, love animals, and nothing gives me more sleepless nights than animal abuse.
Yes I have read Job and find it disturbing that God let Satan do his thing with Job. It hurts my heart to read about it. God already knew the outcome so frustrating at the very least. I have expressed my discontent over this with God and that whole scenario. Thank you for loving the animals as they are part of creation like we are and are a joy to behold.
So you think God is wrong, correct? If so, why do you try to talk to Him? From my vantage you seem to be a humanist who identifies as a Christian.
Judge not... or broil in hell.
Forget that part?
I talk to Him all the time and I never said He is incorrect. I said we will hash it out. I don't pay attention to being labeled as something. God knows my intentions and my heart/Soul. You label me what you will, it does not matter to me and I do not care what humans think to label me. Wishing you a wonderful weekend, Blessed Easter! Bye CC:}
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The Hebrew God demanded them...
Do YOU find His demands to have been abhorrent?
I find it hurts my heart/Soul to their core. I cannot understand all that God does and will have to accept the fact I will most likely never know or understand His actions.
This and much more, was enough of a problem for me to become an agnostic.
IF "God" wants to condemn me for that... I'm OK with it.
Heavy sigh yet again. God loves you, please believe that. I would not lie to you.
You are a very nice gal and I appreciate the thought.
But you cannot know that... still, it is sweet you would think that.
(I do hope so!)
No AD, I really do know that. Please believe me on this. I would stake my life on it I am so sure.
;-)
Two movies on the subject incapsulate it for me (concerning the slaughterhouse);
Earthlings
Temple Grandin
I am not for the disrepect of animals lives in slaugherhouses, and would like all animals who are raised for human consumption to be humanely slaughtered.
Having said that, I can't afford Meriweather Farms and Prepper Beef, at this point in my life, even though I need the protein in my diet.
After the Flood, God told Noah and his family to add meat to their previously all vegetarian diet. I don't know if that is necessary now, but it was at the time.
I respect you for doing what is best for you, Lori.
Thank you for your comment Anita. I met Temple Grandin! She is amazing and is all about animal welfare for CAFO animals and others. She is a Light in the animal industrial complex. It was an honor to meet her and talk with her for a little while. This is a topic that I explain to God I will agree to disagree with Him on the sacrifice of animals and eating them. He made me so He understands my stubbornness on this subject matter. Heavy sigh. Blessed Easter to you and yours.
Blessed Easter to you and yours as well.
Never met Temple Grandin, but sure heard a lot about her in my autism classes.
I would not have realized she even had autism had I not known before meeting her. I would have thought she was just quiet. I will never forgot our meeting as she is one of my heroes.
Im so tired of the vegans. their issue is literally /ALL THEY /SEE. I am descended from NATIVE AMERICANS who ate meat. All Os need to eat meat to stay healthy. Please litigate this issue on your own fora and quit subjecting the rest of us to it.
Peace out and HAPPY EASTER to all.
And I am tired of the likes of you so please litigate your issue on your own fora and quit subjecting the rest of us to it. Peace out and Happy Easter to all. And I never said I was a vegan.
You sure like to put up your dukes, eh?
Happy Easter!!
Only when one is insulting/condescending to me first.
Actually eating the innocent lamb WAS THE WHOLE POINT and He is, to those who don't get it, a "bad look"...not that they really care.
No lamb for me, yuck. One sacrifice was enough for a lifetime.
No "lamb of God"??
If you do not partake of that sacrifice... you roast... no?
I do not go to church so do not take communion. I have in the past but do not know if that counts to God. So if I die before you, I will try to send a signal and let you know what happened! Egads.
Yes, put in a good for this poor agnostic, will ya? :-)
Funny you bring that up. I meant to ask you what spirituality you follow. Are you sure you are really and truly an all in agnostic? All the wonders of the world could not have come from a primordial ooze.
The definition is "a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable".
I think there must be some force, or even a deity, behind this reality... but I admit, unlike most, that I just don't know.
That's why I can be a bit snarky with people that think that THEY have the ONLY truth... and their "truth" is very narrow, restrictive, sadistic and often, absurd.
I understand. My parents sent me to Lutheran schools as a child. They (the Lutheran schools) drilled into me that all Jewish people would go to Hell bc they did not believe in Jesus. I knew instinctively even at that age this was not right. And you can imagine what they taught me about the Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus and the list goes on. I rejected all that early on knowing that God, at the end of the day, will work it all out even if I do not understand how. I have high hopes that one day the Holy Spirit will fill you with knowledge and truth in your very Soul that God exists. But in the meantime, I appreciate you nonetheless.
I think the jews and the muslims may both be playing for the other team... so yes, they may end in hell, IF here is such a place.
I doubt the Hindus... and certainly not the Buddhists, have anything to worry about.
If the Creator deigns to speak to me... it will be most welcome, thanks.
Your Christian God demanded animal sacrifices for MANY MANY years, prior to his sacrificing his own son... according to dogma... right?
Imagine how many sheep, lambs, doves, etc, etc were killed to appease Him! Blood thirsty, a bit? Passover-like?
Almost like the primitives sacrificing humans to THEIR "Gods"... no?
Is not communion still the eating of Christ's actual flesh and drinking his blood (according to Catholics), to re-live the blood sacrifice... or at least representative of that (for other Christian dogmas)?
Heavy sigh, God is truly a mystery and parts of the Bible make me very sad for humans and animals alike. I still can't believe God would sacrifice the 1st borns of Egypt as they were children, babies. Most were not even adulterated yet. That is a very hard pill to swallow. Adults are one thing, children, babies are another IMHO. Another heavy sigh. Blessed Easter or Passover to you AD, whichever you celebrate.
that is why I am very happy to be an agnostic.
Have a fine Easter Weekend!
PS: Passover?!!?!? Not hardly! Some more harsh truth:
https://x.com/SamParkerSenate/status/1809683142275658155
Ok, agnostic it is although I hope someday even with the harshness in the Bible you reconsider. But I certainly respect whatever you feel. I assumed you were Christian bc your profile pic reminds me of what Jesus may have looked like. Foolish me, I know.
Why reconsider? I am here if God wants to call on me.
My pic is of Lebowski, from the movie. But yes, I agree, and find that a bit humorous...
Oh yes, it sure is. How stupid of me. And yes, God will call on you. He knows the exact timing of when to come for a visit!
nah, not stupid... "The Great Lebowski" is n old flick and not much followed.
I just like his laid-back style and found it to be very funny... and I do not have much of a comedy "gene".
A visit will be welcome.
I never watched the movie. Perhaps I will when I have more free time. Nothing like a real deep down belly laugh as it is good for the body and Soul! I had one the other day and laughed for about 4 minutes straight. It was wonderful.
Keep your heart and mind open for that visit. It will happen! And when it does, you can decide yea or nay. Free will of course.
I will keep an open mind and heart.
I hope you enjoy the movie. Smoke a little grass before you do. 🤪
This is evidence that you don't know God. God is not a man. He is the Creator and He's made a plan and written a story that includes us and is far away and above us. Thankfully He has left many evidences and even a Book about who He is and what His plan for humanity on Earth is about. There's much more that He has done and is doing outside of our ability to know.
Of course He is a man in Spirit form and the Creator RJ! And I do know God, quite well in fact. But yes to all the other comments you made! Enjoy your evening!
we can and do support the END OF THE HORRIBLE SLAUGHTERHOUSE CONDITIONS and animals living healthy happy free lives and still live and let live. without all the guilt and manipulation, hey?
Amen. I think slaughterhouse nastiness needs to end and animals should be raised in optimal conditions, with the cost of meat reflective of their proper care.