I'd like to point out that we wouldn't be in dire need of issuing H1-B visas to recruit scientists and engineers if we had a department of education that actually cared about children...or better yet not having a DOE.
I am of the firm belief the day they stripped tether-ball and outlawed kickball on recess playgrounds was the first day they started a slow stripping of their souls. At first in trickles...and then all at once.
Just like everything else that is de facto controlled by the state. During covid they were exposed as hollow, self-serving individuals (and the "guilds") that put their interest over the very children they are supposed to educate and have ready to adjust to the "real world".
Today's kids don't even have recess. It's simply a time when they are allowed to use their smartphones unsupervised. Yet we wonder why so many children have problems and are on prescribed drugs these days
That was our rule, no smart phones unless they wanted to buy their own phone and plan, but then, our kids graduated in '12 and '13 and kids with smartphones were relatively rare then. Our daughter didn't get one until her mid-twenties as she didn't want to pay a phone bill.
Perhaps more so. The online world of these kids is so all encompassing that any tethers to a so called social/physical reality are tenuous at best. I was almost run over in a crowded Trader Jie's by a woman with a cart and a cell phone. I called out "heads up" as I literally jumped out of the way. She barely paused to glare at me before she returned to her screen. How do you even begin to converse with this?
I was almost run off the sidewalk in my neighborhood by a woman with her face so much into her phone she didn’t see me coming walking from the other direction. This happened twice, different women. One a teenager and one a grown adult. One time I actually had to step off the sidewalk. How can someone be that oblivious outside?
i witnessed a pickup truck pull directly out onto highway in front of oncoming ambulance (sirens and horns ) last week; gotta be fking ear buds and/or phone i thought...ambulance drivers know the idiocy of American and Newcomer drivers so it didn't t-bone the moron, then at the supermarket i park near 3 cars with NO Tags whatever on them and one with almost a year expired tag,... what the FK? And the Nicaraguan guy buying cigarettes with no ID at the Dumber General..
SCREW YOUR RULES America...we'll do whatever WE WANT. What we're witnessing is arbitrary rewards, punishments, and a soft anarchism or personal choice--a reality-based Libertarianism; societal norms and rules and structure is simply preference and you can either accept it or road rage/sidewalk assassin someone if not.
Next time (I'll try to remember if I get the chance) turn backwards in front of them so they run in to ya. Maybe a lesson learned that will save their life?!
That helps, but what did you teach your child? to not go to those sites? to use the tool effectively? or to do an end around you with their friends who have parents who don't give two hoots???
I was on them like white on rice but there are always dangers. Many many conversations with my kids, but kids are curious... They did not have a computer in their room and the phones automatically turned off at a certain time and I could see just about everything including social media. There are even better tools now. I even created profiles on my internet to block times and sites with notifications when a site was blocked. They didn't go to certain places and I did have a conversation with parents, including relatives, to see how they manage games and online. Good thing because a couple years ago the FBI literally broke down a relative's door at 6 am because their 14yo grandson was on pedoporn and they thought it was an adult in the house. To my knowledge nothing happened to the kid, but they confiscated his stuff. The kid will probably struggle with porn and having a normal relationship the rest of his life all because they did not even try to protect him.
The other kid at the same house is a they/them now, is always depressed, and on a bunch of psyche meds. She is 25 now but when she was 15, she was groomed from some popular chat place and what they thought was her 19yo friend, was really a dike child predator.
My kids did not go there without me and I warned the "grandparent" about the dangers. I told them so, now both kids are a mess all from the internet.
It is evil and now with AI, IMHO, you are probably talking to demons.
Next time you're at your local Walmart or Costco, look around at the young families shopping there.
I'll bet you a month's lease on a Tracfone that you will spot at least one child, age between about 4 and about 10, poking at a smartphone, oblivious to the world around them. Mommy and daddy clearly have no concerns about this.
I totally agree. If I were young again and had young children I would have no problem being Amish to the extreme. But wait, have the Amish given in to the "smartphone"?
I think the Amish tend to be more wise in the ways they adopt technology overall. They might have "given in" to the smartphones, but only in the sense that they know how to use them as a tool and avoid the more addicting parts. We have a large Mennonite community somewhat close to us. They have modern tech like computers/phones, but it stays in its lane and isn't part of their everyday working life. They can pull it out for selling, responding to people, and such, but they are pretty intentional about it being a tool.
My Mennonite farmer said he noticed a difference in his children who are older and didn't have smart phones and his younger ones who did. The older ones have more focus and drive. On a side note, the farm orders are online as well as other online businesses, hence the phones.
I can call or send an email to my Amish roofing contractor but he doesn't text, which is my preferred method of communication. The do's and don'ts of their phone use are kinda quirky.
Recommend Bobby Kennedy’s interview of John Kempf on Spotify. Yes he uses a phone for work. But has 4M Acres under his ROA methodology and a batting average of 1.0 is solving plant disease problems. Maybe it’s because he has VALUES.
But then who monitors that? Like Australia where you must be a certain age… that’s a tricky way of making everyone have a digital ID bc everyone must now prove they are of age to be on social media. Anytime you say ‘there should be a law against…’ think about the consequences
Absolutely! We were NOT generally pleased with this law here in Oz. They allowed 24hrs for public comment, which was not advertised in any way, but still received over 15,000 comments in that time period, nearly all against the law.
Parents need to take responsibility for their children. Mine were not allowed any phone until they could pay for it themselves. We took lots of flak because “everyone else has one “, but it not only encouraged responsibility, it has also encouraged good work ethic as well.
Nancy, so glad my granddaughter attends a Waldorf School. Zero screens and highly discouraged at home. Working farm, large vegetable garden, cooking every day...it's lovely.
Leonard Max's book, The Collapse of Parenting, is a fantastic book that gives parents the courage to be the authoritative, loving parent that will put limits on all the toxic social media, video games and internet access. It's critical to their mental health and social development.
Although this sounds "good" unfortunately it is not.. The way to handle this is with parental guidance, yes be a parent, you can do so much as a parent to teach your children what is useful and what is bad about the access. Sadly you could try and do this like alcohol and guns and all the rest, but what are the kids going to do when they turn 18??? just like booze, when they turn 21 the go out and do stupid s**t... Why? Because parents didn't teach them control. Sadly you you are asking for the gov to do something which is against what we are all about... gov needs to be out of it and parents need to be in charge. period... laws are the lazy way out...
Open internet access for minors is neglect at best. We installed software on our kids phones when they got them at 14 so access was controlled no matter what network was accessed. But sadly, other kid’s parents are stupid so garbage leaks out from everywhere.
I totally agree, especially since the intentionally increased blue light is SO addictive and damaging to growing eyes and brains.
And for those who are unaware, the mob that started Las Vegas, WAY BACK WHEN, discovered that if they increase the blue light in the gaming machines, people would play more and longer because the mobsters discovered how addictive the blue light was. Now, every screen, TV, computer, phone, is constructed to increase the blue light!!!!
This site is recommended by Dr. Mercola as one of the best computer screen software to block out the blue light. The basic program is free but there's also an upgrade for a one time fee, I believe.
I couldn’t agree more. We grew up hearing “Go outside and play”
All 7 of us kids grew up tough and clever. We were not rich, there were days we didn’t know where of next meal was coming from. We didn’t just survive, we thrived. Was it easy? No. So what?
The Baby Boom generation grew up in a time of American Exceptionalism and just the right amount of technological advances (ex: TV but, no computers). We had to rely on our God given capabilities to get ahead. The American Dream was real and could be achieved with hard work and perseverance.
And then we spoiled our children with consumerism. We put them in daycare, scheduled their free time with adult managed after school activities, helped them get into college, gave them phones and video games, cereal, juice, packaged snacks.... the list goes on.
Remember when our mom took us to the neighbors house so we could get exposed to chicken pox, mumps and measles? We had to play outside or be assigned an afternoon of chores. We had to come home when the streetlights came on or when my dad did his
“ I mean NOW!!! “ whistle??? I believe that a pager/beeper type device could be helpful for child safety in today’s world but nothing more advanced.
Perfect description of my life as a kid. Drink from hose, minimal snacks and then it was typically fruit. We were healthy, strong, street smart. Ate dinner at the table all together. It was a special treat to use tv tables and eat while watching Wizard of Oz once a year. All 6 of us had chicken pox at one time. My mom was a Superhero.
That's what my kids heard. They had a huge tree to climb and a trampoline and when we could afford it, an above ground plastic pool in the summer.... there were 8 of them and they shared clothes too.
With a 1 in 36 ACKNOWLEDGED autism rate, with untold others having intellectual, emotional, or other types of brain damage, how can we expect to compete (or even survive) as a nation? This is in addition to the physical maladies that are everywhere. How many of us have trouble putting in a full work day due to chronic illness(es)? I continue to pray this new administration can get to the causes of much of this as it is weakening us as a nation and costing us unknown quantities of money, time, goodwill, etc.
THIS is a huge issue! I ran into an acquaintance yesterday who casually mentioned that three of her four biological children have some sort of disability or are on the spectrum, plus her one year old foster child as well! She talked about the government assistance she gets for their various treatments (she’s totally not a welfare mom, rather, a suburban homeschooling homemaker) and I wanted to say: but what if they could just be WHOLE and healthy instead? No government aid needed.
Her husband is in the medical field and I know they are pretty medically mainstream😔 I don’t know her well enough yet to have planted some seeds…I hope that day comes.
I commented on an autism FB Reel normalizing autistic children and how wonderful they were. I merely asked the question - where were all the autistic kids in the 60’s and 70’s? What a hornets nest I stirred up! They think they were always there but undiagnosed. No idea their bloated vaccine schedule has anything to do with it. 😵💫 Complete denial just like the Covid shots.
Was it Jeff who pointed out that Zimmerman, the guy who initially debunked the autism-vax link but secretly admitted it, and later did a 180 publcally. Yet his initial statements continue to be used against the association.
Ugh! Sounds like my sister's 4 kids...they're all in their 40's now and not one of them seems to have an independently thinking brain in their bodies! They all lined up like sheep to the jab slaughter....and crazy old Aunt Susan in Kalifornistan (yours truly) is a lunatic because she said the "vaccine" was a death shot, experimental gene therapy, and that this whole thing was a Plandemic...🙄🙄🙄 I despair of them navigating the next fake emergency. 💔
Lots of seeds to plant and water! I am a recovered vaccine injured (tetanus shot at 19 years that led to 13 years of vaccine injury misdiagnosed as “Crohns Colitis”; I bled from my gut for 13 years!) - there are detoxes, there are protocols, there are diet changes, and so much more. I believe a large range of autism is curable. We are fearfully and wonderfully made and praise God, he has designed us to heal! Our bodies are a miracle and a gift from God.
Wicked people cover up the true cause of autism partly because they would be criminally responsible but also because if people knew it was curable, they would seek the cure. But instead they’re told to accept and celebrate a horrific injury that could be healed in many cases and avoided in many cases more.
The VA keeps pestering me to get an updated tetanus shot. I told the nurse that there were only 28 cases of tetanus reported to the CDC in 2022. So if I divide 28 cases by 330 million people in the US, my chances are .00000008 of one percent.
Reading your comment about your vaccine injury scared the crap out of me.
Read up more if needed... tetanus is only a threat if you step on a rusty nail that has been sitting IN ANIMAL FECES. a broken piece of glass in your kitchen? No tetanus. A nail when remodeling? No tetanus. Etc. Good luck and keep strong! and thanks for your service.
The VA also keeps pushing the shingles vaccine on me. And, I keep telling them that the shot has a FDA black box warning on it for developing Guillain-Barre Syndrome. A blank look by the nurse is usually the result...so, they either do not know about the warning, or they do not know what a black box warning is.
My sister developed GB in the late 90's after a flu vax. She was paralyzed from the waist down for over 3 months and to this day, has ongoing problems stemming from GB. She can barely walk because she hasalmost no feeling in her feet. I had my second pneumonia vax in Sept. of 2019 and after that, developed severe hearing loss--also permanent. This family says NO to all vaxes.
I had problems from the over-65 pneumonia shot. Vision problems for 18 months and balance problems. The balance problems are still there and have lessened.
For folks reading the comments, here is the link for the FDA black box warning for the shingles vaccine. Your doctor won't tell you.
My sister developed GB in the late 90's after a flu vax. She was paralyzed from the waist down for over 3 months and to this day, has ongoing problems stemming from GB. She can barely walk because she hasalmost no feeling in her feet. I had my second pneumonia vax in Sept. of 2019 and after that, developed severe hearing loss--also permanent. This family says NO to all vaxes.
Tetanus research reveals a deep pit of lies told to us. Check into the studies done on traumatically wounded WWI soldiers, some who died with apparent tetanus symptoms but no positive tetanus tests and some who tested positive for tetanus and had zero symptoms/recovered without issue.
Tetanus is anaerobic - it cannot survive in the presence of oxygen. If your wound bleeds, the oxygen in your blood is cleansing it 👏 (fearfully and wonderfully made!). I tell my kids to squeeze the blood out of small cuts and punctures to help flush any bacteria including tetanus out (if that were even a problem; other bacteria/microbes much more likely). Additionally, if you’re cut by a rusty piece of metal, guess what - rust is oxidization - a result of exposure to oxygen, meaning it also will not have tetanus on it.
But also, we have exposure to animal feces in our backyards all the time - rabbits, squirrels, rodents, not to mention domestic pets. (My kids are barefoot all the time at home.) We don’t need to live in fear of tetanus. We just don’t need to live in fear. Period.
No. More. Fear.
My 2024 motto is “in nothing terrified” - from Philippians 1:27-30!
Back before social media, there were 'bulletin boards' on the internet where you could chat and exchange information. I was on several in the early 2000's around learning deficiencies as my son struggled to learn to read, and school was pressuring us to medicate him for ADD, which we fought for several years. Believe he is dyslexic although did have him tested and the results were that he was not. The bulletin boards over time became overcome with a lot of parents with kids with autism, and there was a lot of discussion around ADD, Sensory issues and autism being tied to gut issues. We tried all kinds of dietary interventions - which was tough, as one, he was/is a very picky eater, two, he went to friend's houses and cheated. After a couple of years of non stop food battles, we gave up as nothing really changed for him, although there were a moms on there who claimed dietary changes helped. Hard core limited screen time (for both kids) and
made them 'go outside and play'. Tried meds a couple of years but he didn't like them, said he didn't feel like himself. Worked at home with him a lot on reading, and helped him with coping strategies - like having checklists, routines, using a planner to write everything down so he wouldn't forget. He's still ADD and not a great reader, but managed to graduate HS and college and has a good job as a production manager for a mfg plant, and has a super organized wife. I worked PT til they were in HS and it was all consuming trying everything but realize not all families have that option. They did get the childhood shots, as I was not awake, although there was a lot of chatter on the bulletin boards about mercury/thimerosal being a cause, but the schedule was a fraction of what it is now. Sorry I did not pay more attention, and have told both kids that.
Dietary changes can be very profitable but if the heavy metals or other toxins that caused the damage are still present they will continue to cause problems.
My vaccine injury symptoms did not clear up till I did a heavy metal detox (bentonite clay in my case but there are a variety available) and almost immediately I began to actually make strides forward in healing.
Even after the fact, I know I’m a slow detoxer so even though I eat healthy/live clean, every couple years I need to boost my detoxing again to clean out the sludge from living in our food and environmental pollution.
I have been shocked how many kids I see with all kinds of physical issues, illnesses and chronic conditions everywhere 😕 I don’t remember it being that way when I was a kid.
RFKjr said during his Madison Square Garden speech before the election, that 77% of US boys have a chronic health condition that would preclude them from serving in the military. I explained it to my sons this way: “if you are in your co-op class with 10 boys, roughly two of you will need to protect all ten of you. Plus any women or children or property.”
It is a shocking and disturbing reality.
And it will be my sons/conservative boys because they’re unvaxxed and healthy and honorable.
I am not sure that this is the best place to put this in this thread...I have run across a couple changing tables in public bathrooms that will accommodate full size adult bodies. This indicates to me that the need has increased to a significant degree.
I think a TON of obesity is from food chemicals! It makes me angry! I have a lot of nieces and nephews (20). All of them are clean eating except one family (who still home cooks but just eats a more mainstream diet) and that family has overweight kids. What an unnecessary burden for kids, not just for their bodies but socially as well!
I used to think it was honorable to serve. God protect them. Whose wars do we fight anyway? Not our ours... Bankers? World controllers? Good causes? Illusions?
Name a war that was fought for our freedom besides Revolutionary and that is debated. I must be stupid because I can't.
Are we still beholden to the crown? Our court system is at the very least.
I'd rather my son be fat than join the military who notoriously experiments on their soldiers, mind control, use them as cannon fodder and spray them like weeds and then let them suffer the aftermath with little or no support.
We were recently concerned there would forced enlistment.
2) no toxic vaccines or mandatory medical treatments
3) physical exercise and mental/emotional strength building (which often will be a natural outworking of the above, but some recruits will still need extra work)
I hope they don’t relax standards. That just shrugs the damage off and creates a sub par fighting force. Fix the problems that are injuring our children, don’t make another “safe space” for the injury that needs to be healed and the injurers that need to be held accountable.
Yes. To many of them we are. It is our greatest rebellion and strength to know that we are created in the image of the Maker of the Universe and we have value above all other created things. It is essential to know our own worth - possessing souls that God has assigned infinite, eternal value - to ground us and give us a foundation from which to fight an ages old attempt at dehumanization.
I am on vacation with my husband's extended family now.
My SIL has a grand baby that is 3 and barely talks. I know for a fact she got a jab during pregnancy. He appears to be slow with minimal motor skills as well IMO. My son at 3 could dribble a basket ball and this kid can't catch a rolling ball between his legs or roll it back.
AND I heard them talking last night that a close friend suddenly died at 52 in his sleep the day after Christmas. They were saying it was probably a blood clot and the coroner does not want to do and autopsy.
Especially the food allergies. I don't remember anyone in my school with food allergies. Around 2005 or so our kids' school started banning bringing home made food for class parties and such, everything had to be packaged with an ingredient list to accommodate food allergies.
Yes same here. The only allergies I remember a couple of kids having were to bee stings and seasonal allergies like hay fever. But even that was pretty rare and food allergies were pretty much unheard of. Now so many kids are allergic to or have sensitivities to all kinds of things 😕
I have been seeing more examples in my European friends of late also. It’s not as widespread and is reaching them more slowly but I think it’s becoming more and more pervasive there too. Maybe they’ll be able to head these issues off before they get as bad as they are here.
My son is "on the spectrum", because he wasn't breathing when he was born. So his education was geared towards "autism" and not him, no matter how I advocated for him. I had a friend who took her adopted son to 5 different doctors before she found one to give him the "autism" diagnosis. And my husband's sister-in-law is seeking that diagnosis for her daughter, whom she homeschooled and pretty much isolated from other people. (I'm not sure what my brother-in-law thinks about this). Yes, there's better diagnosis, but there's also more teachers and doctors looking for the "box" for kids, and parents looking for excuses for behavior issues.
Yes, I remember when mine were in school there was a dx called ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder) - I never bought it - kids were brats as their parents were too lazy to parent and would rather chalk up mis-behavior to a dx vs actual parenting. No kid likes being told 'no' - easier at first to just give in, until you have created a monster.
I can only try to appreciate how difficult that must be. I am glad you aren't accepting the prescribed limitations that the system places on ASD individuals. keep the faith and keep researching alternatives. God bless you and your son!
Decentralize bureaucracy. Divest Executive Orders. Move all Federal cases out of D.C.. Paper ballots in person, at physical location, counted by real people, with an arbiter in each precinct to resolve any conflicts. And no pussy's allowed
The State says this is all necessary...NOT.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of Tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
Sure. However, we have a lot of parents who apparently can't be bothered to feed their kids so why would they lift a finger to educate them? I get so outraged when I hear about local kids who only get meals at school.
I also find that outrageous. I grew up in Germany in the 90ies, our schools didn't serve any food. But we also didn't have the levels of poverty I hear about in the USA, food wasn't a problem. Those kids with crappy parents are pretty much screwed anyways, I don't see a good reason then to make all the kids with decent parents suffer as well.
I've been teaching elementary school for 21 years and it is worse than you think. The devices are ruining the children's ability to track left to right when reading (the eyes don't dart around naturally as they do on a screen), there is no memorization, children spend time on devices and aren't learning to write and spell (but they will be Apple and Microsoftcustomers) , they are fed ultra processed food by the school and parents, children don't play outside unsupervised anymore (many of my 3rd graders don't know what bark is on tree), and the list goes on. We do our best to mitigate these obstacles but it is very overwhelming. Behavioral problems are off the charts as is the volume of illnesses. Most media (and many readers) blame the teachers but they don't realize or even research the curriculum the systems purchase that we are required to use. County officials visit the classrooms making sure everyone is teaching the same thing or of the same book irrespective of the needs of the students. It's a monopoly beyond repair. The fact that anyone in a leadership role would support the rediculous visas in lieu of holding the monopoly from k-12 and the university systems accountable in our own country says everything you need to know. There are tens if thousands of STEM graduates from US private and public universities every year. Even more disgusting is the fact that programming should be taught in high school without a need for a degree. It's about cheap labor from abroad mixed in with USA's low standards.
We need the visas for now AND we need to save our country's children. I know people here on these immigration visas and they are really good people, many of whom would vote conservative if they could vote. People smart and successful with good morals who want to live in a free country without the bribes common in their country of origin and they are our allies. They shouldn't be made to be in the cross hairs.
But what you say about the children, my heart breaks for them. I'm raising my children differently than the norm in a good way and I am dismayed to see my children's classmates (even in private school) be just as you describe.
yeah, it has to be both. Fixing education is a decades-long process, during which we can't just let our technology sector lie fallow, that's a non-starter in a global economy. DOGE (read: Elon and Vivek) have repeatedly mentioned the Department of Ed as chief target in the crosshairs, because they do, actually, contrary to half of MAGA's belief, understand the need to train Americans.
But that doesn't change the timeline being 20 years, when the next generation finally enters the workforce. In the meantime, either those positions are left unfulfilled, or we find strong foreign workers and weld them into the burgeoning American juggernaut like we always have done.
Just wanted to add that the private school children don't have the curriculum problems, but they do have the problem of too much technology at home making them distracted and uninterested in reading.
Jennifer, great comment. I support abolishing the federal involvement in public education, abolishing the Dept. of Education. We are seeing and experiencing the end result of intentional dilution of real education. It has almost reached a point of no return. Drastic measures must be taken.
Great comment, Jennifer, thanks for sharing your experience. We need to hear from all sorts of people with granular information like this, now that we're allowed to talk about this subject openly.
Overseas workers often work harder and with less complaint. The first thing that they are taught is to work hard to achieve what they want. Western children are often taught more about their “rights” and won’t go “over and above” in the same way. Obviously, not all, and many times it’s parent-dependent, but as a general rule they don’t work as hard.
This reminded me of a new teacher coming to our school and reporting the principal of her prior school stated, "I want to hear the start of a sentence in one classroom and walk to the next classroom to hear the end of the sentence." Re: "County officials visit the classrooms making sure everyone is teaching the same thing or of the same book irrespective of the needs of the students."
IMHO, the reason so many kids are on prescriptions and have problems, is because the parents are too busy with their own problems to be bothered to be parents. It's easier to drug children up than deal with them being noisy, or running in the house, or needing their attention. Who wants to be bothered when you're tired and frustrated from working all day with a bunch of jerks, in pointless meetings, and then be expected to do an entire days work in the remaining 3 hours of your day? All on top of everything costing WAY too much and everyone still needs to be fed.
The difference between letting emotions dictate your life and actually THINKING, is self control and emotional maturity. Nobody wants to learn self control because it requires discipline and patience.
SM, Yes! Which was the main point of Jeff's C&C today. Grow up. Learn self control. Quit polarizing/demonizing people who disagree with you...for the sake of our nation! "Divided we fall."
I think there were a lot of people who listened to the "experts" for drugs. The experts introduced "being bored" as "having a problem to be treated" and inexperienced parents bought into that. I think that tide has been shifting back. More parents realize that "being a boy" <> "needing ritalin" these days and they're seeing more value in getting kids up and active instead of chained to a desk all day. It's a slow shift, but it's happening.
Not while I was daydreaming at all. Not always, but SOMETIMES, while I was doing paperwork. Concentrating on what I was reviewing, a solution to a problem having nothing to do with the data or an entirely random inspiration for something totally different from my job would pop into my head. Sometimes I would write it down, sometimes it would just stick. I'm never going to argue with myself about how a good idea came about, I'll just roll with it.
There is a significant difference between being "bored" and being still. I have tried to just be still more in recent years. The pause that refreshes. Psalm 46:10a "Be still and know that I am God..."
My s-i-l had to fend off teachers who wanted to drug her very bright son in elem school. She, herself an elem teacher, suggested he be given more difficult, aka challenging, (not more busy work) assignments to keep him engaged. This meant more work for the teachers which was not welcomed.
Tracking kids by ability groups was the way this was accomplished back in my day. There were advanced kids, average kids, and slow-learning kids. Each group was taught at their skill level and this made life for the teacher easier and it made life for the kids better.
Agree !!! It’s a 💯 parenting problem, not school, not government. Parents !!!
Parenting against culture is WORK - it’s like swimming upstream 24-7! Not to mention if both parents are working and there is still a full-time job waiting at home …😬
Could it be that many parents have succumbed to the convenience of "smart devices" & hence all the screen time for kids? Agree, it is work to go against current trends & culture. Being "old fashioned" is not acceptable. I think I would be very happy to live in an Amish community.
I came here to say just this, but you’ve said it better. Isn’t the H1-B visa debate an opportunity to discuss our pathetic schools? Why attack the messenger when the message is quite obvious?
Today's government educational system is in name only - it's actually a day prison. Children check in through metal detectors, deposit their belongings in a locked up box, go their rooms where they have no option to think but just be told what to think, eat the worst food imaginable at lunch (if they don't get to bring their own lunch), and then collect their belongings and head out the doors. Day prison. Many have bars on their windows and chain link fences. So tragic.
And! It's yet another way to attack children by making them feel imprisoned. I drive by a very, very large secondary school every day and many, if not most, walk or trudge their way home. Rarely do I see a student upbeat or even lighthearted. They just look withdrawn or depressed. 😔
Kids don’t need to be in the socialized school system at all. They need true education which starts at home (building character, work ethic and identity) and gradually moves outward with age - during some of our most productive periods in history, children didn’t receive formal (I mean in class room) education till college around 15/16 years old.
Other kids were tutored or eventually, attended one room school houses in the mornings, if they could, if it wasn’t harvest time.
I think you should add dodgeball to the list of stripped sports that should be reinstated. That sport is the ultimate in character building. If you can survive dodgeball at recess, you stand a good chance at thriving during adulthood.
At a Silicon event titled 'Reboot 24' hosted by the organization Foundation for American Innovation, I, as a plebian, listened to leaders in Silicon Valley, including Fukuyama. Anyone who is in CA should attend if they hold it next year. For a few bucks, you get to rub shoulders with the Titans, plus they host a fabulous spread, including juice shots. (https://www.thefai.org/about-us) What was alarming was a discussion of the visas. One big wig noted the problem of failing schools in San Fran. While he saw it as a problem, the solution was to 'brain drain' the rest of the world. I was dismayed, to say the least.
There are two problems. First and foremost, we have the natural resources here. Unless someone truly believes in Eugenics, even our poorest children, properly educated and motivated, should be able to succeed. In fact, when parts of Silicon Valley moved to the LA beach area, I wrote Maxine Waters asking for her to reach out to her 'buddies' to start a school in her district—it seemed an easy win-win. I was so naive.
The second problem is that our universities are so full of wokeism that now is in STEM that graduates will be encouraged to take top jobs while shunning the 'natives.' I've encountered such individuals. They make you ashamed about being an American, bringing up all our past sins. While the concept of sins is a good one, without redemption, it is only a weapon.
People want to medicate their (undisciplined, spoiled, egotistical and entitled) children to make them more manageable because pills are the easiest way to parent. I’ve seen it in people who are in their 50s with younger children and I’ve seen it in people in their 30s even more so.
Spoiled, egotistical and entitled behaviors are all learned. When I acted that way as a kid, I was "corrected", not allowed to continue, or God Forbid, indulged. As a parent, you nip that in the bud - you don't let kids walk all over you and run the house.
I have a friend whom I've known since I was 3 years old - he was raised in a "permissive" household, back when that was a new thing they were trying out. He was allowed to sass his folks in a way that would have earned me a slap in the chops at my house - I couldn't believe it. He was kind of a wild kid; when his mom asked him to stay at home, he'd take off across town on his skateboard. Since his parents never held him accountable, he had trouble understanding how to hold himself accountable, and that manifested as an inability to take any true responsibility for his actions. He also seemed to lack emotional intelligence - he seemed unable to "read the room" and this put him in some dangerous situations at times.
He was over-indulged, and then as an adult, he became over-indulgent. He became addicted to coke in his 20s and stole things to support his habit. He ended up in AA (a good thing) and has remained sober for many years. I'd like to say that he's matured, but there are still some quirks left over from his childhood. He still can't read the room - when we exchange emails, he often puts meanings into my words that I never intended, and gets inexplicably offended by what I think is very clear communication that lacks any provocative undertones. And he still lacks accountability - I met him on a motorcycle camping trip a couple of years back in a national park, where he slimily avoided paying his share of the camping fee (I paid my share, and found it disturbing and embarrassing that he weaseled his way out of paying his own fee).
Oh yeah, he's also politically illiterate, but that doesn't prevent him from holding strong opinions. I had to block him toward the end of the recent election cycle, as I couldn't bear to argue with him anymore online - it was like trying to explain calculus to a baby, except the baby already possessed an alternate mathematical theory, based on wishful thinking.
I often resented my own parents for being stricter with me, particularly in comparison with my friend's parenting. Although some of my dad's corporal punishment tactics left me scarred emotionally, I'm actually grateful today that I had firm, if not somewhat hypocritical boundaries in my house. I ended up growing up with some character, self-control and a conscience that escaped some of my friends. Some of them are dead, some are in sobriety programs. I turned out okay, I think.
You could be writing about my nephew. As a 6 yr old he took a hunting knife to their upholstered couch. He was one angry child screaming for boundaries to show him someone cared. None came. It was too much trouble. Have not seen him in over a decade. His parents do not speak of him.
Well, I imagine my friend to have a LITTLE more decorum than THAT.. But your point is well taken.
Instilling character has two sides: the corrective and the example. Being a living example to kids isn't just about showing them how to act, but also showing them reasons why it's beneficial to act that way - beneficial to oneself AND to others. I think if a parent is really good at that, there's very little need for the corrective side.
Yes, boundaries do indicate caring. I'm not really sure what the theory behind "permissive" parenting was - but one important boundary is that between parent and child. You just CAN'T be your kid's "cool buddy" - maybe when they're older, but not when they're in their developmental stages. I interpret the couch-slashing kid as one screaming "I need a parent, not an aloof friend".
Doug, I'm very sorry you had to endure your dad's corporal punishment. No child should ever have to endure an emotionally demeaning "slap in the chops." From your comments, you seem to have healed the emotional scars and matured far past the crude hypocrisy. Far more than "okay."
When I was in college one of my summer jobs was working at city “day camp” (summer child care). One five year old boy was quite hard to manage, although if I gave him my full attention and was firm and clear with him, he responded well and respected my directions. Unfortunately I was the camp director, so not with the kids all day, and his behavior with the counselors (who were kids themselves) was pretty impossible. Eventually his parents were told he’d have to leave if something didn’t change. Both his parents worked and his mom was so frazzled when she picked him up every day he’d run right over her too.
Five years old.
She went out and got him put on ADHD meds that day.
The rest of camp he was shell. A blank, hollow child who couldn’t engage with the rest of camp so brought legos along to sit and play by himself.
It was so sad.
Having had five boys myself now, i can see more than ever that boy needed his parents to parent. He needed to be with his mom, not at camp. He needed boundaries and to be protected by loving structure.
No job is worth losing your kid’s precious personality to drugs, at five years old.
Until I quit teaching in 2020, my students had recess and we played dodge ball! I bought expensive soft gator dodge balls and it didn't even hurt (much) if you got hit in the head.
Kids need to run and have fun and they learn better when they do.
I am not a fan of STEM because it only covers the science they think we should teach. The scientific method isn't even used these days. Think masks and jabs...
For those who haven’t yet read the uplifting sequel to my mom’s medical mystery saga, I wanted to make sure you saw the special shoutout I gave to the C&C Army for your prayers solicited by TriTorch. What followed was a seemingly miraculous series of synchronicities that may just have saved her life:
“This truly felt like a Christmas miracle, and perhaps it was, thanks in part to hundreds if not thousands of people around the world having joined in prayer to support my mom, with special gratitude to TriTorch for the following poignant prayer request at the Coffee & COVID (C&C) community.”
Heartfelt thanks also go to Pierre Kory for catching my mom’s misdiagnosis, saving her from a potentially injurious (or worse) course of cipro, and Mike Yeadon for weighing in with his compassionate expertise.
Pierre Kory’s courage, perseverance, & determination in the face of a compromised medical establishment is exemplary. He gave up so much to stand on his medical convictions & assist people. His mind assimilated & retained EVERYTHING he learned in Medical school, internship, fellowship, and practice & used it to challenge the govt sanctioned narrative. It has been a privilege to follow & support Pierre for over 4 years thru his work c Dr Marek at EVMS, FLCCC, & now in his practice. May God bless Margaret Alice, Dr. Kory, & all of those who sacrificed during this dark period of medicine.
I was horrified at the serious side affects of Cipro as I had taken it many years ago for a UTI that the Urologist could not clear up off and on for 2 1/2 years,and I had an extremely bad reaction to it, causing me to purchase a Physician’s Desk Reference book on the current drugs produced and prescribed. A lot of which was over my head, but I could read the side affects and what to look for. Most of my physicians did even have one! I was shocked at what I had put in my body and no one mentioning what it could have done to my body with all my autoimmune issues. Thank goodness for our C&C family and their love, sharing and willingness and ability to help us when we don’t know. Thank you and I love you all!
My wife takes it upon herself to warn everyone she knows to never ever ever ever ever ever go to a doctor who wants to prescribe Cipro. Her ligaments are Cipro-injured.
So sorry to hear of your wife’s injuries. Such a crime!
2 years before we were introduced to Coffee and Covid we have gone only to our neighbor who’s our primary care physician who knows where we stand on RXs. We use a chiropractor who also uses natural supplements, acupuncture, etc and we take nothing prescribed other than my husband’s diabetic meds. But we researched all those and ask for the less damaging ones. And all those are the lowest dosage. I’ll be praying for your wife.
Not all carbs, but just in the form of low carb veggies. Down to my last 1/2 of a BP pill from max triple therapy. A1c and insulin levels are normal. Spouse's migraines (the reason for the trial that has now become a lifestyle) now exceedingly rare. Keto works!
It's sad to me to see the legions of folks taking Ozempic when all they'd have to do to lose weight, feel better and live longer, healthier lives is eliminate sugar and most carbs. Not as hard as you'd think, but it does take a commitment to get through the first few weeks.
While I am well aware that it causes some horrible side effects, that terrible drug saved my brother in law's life! He's now been on it for seven years! Both times doctors took him off of it, he had life threatening infections pop up! While it is a terrible drug for many, it's a life saver for him. No other antibiotic responded to his infection. He's had a Whipple procedure and any infection can be deadly. His doctors still try to talk him out of continuing to take it when he sees a new one, but he's beyond any convincing. So, we pray for his continued ability to take it.
It's true. The benefits sometimes outweigh the risks (mainly tendon). The main problem IMHO, is that it is so effective that docs handed it out like candy for infections that either needed no antibiotics, or a less broad spectrum one.
Great news, as read this thread I could not help but think that this sounded a lot like what my brother in law is going through. The part that usually only thin elderly women are diagnosed with Lady Windermere has me second guessing. He has had an ongoing cough for quite some time now. He has seen a specialist about his lungs who told him he had congestive heart failure. He then went to his cardiologist who said that was not the case. They are perplexed at his condition. Perplexed is a common condition among doctors here in Canada.He is eighty years old, vaxxed to the max but up until a year ago very healthy and active. Any thoughts about my suspicions as he could very well be immune compromised.
Vaccine-induced interstitial lung disease: a rare reaction to COVID-19 vaccine: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34510014/. Not so rare. Perplexed? Perhaps not. Men can get LW disease though too; MAC is an atypical infection.
I hope this helps you discover the cause of your brother-in-law’s symptoms! Although Lady Windermere syndrome primarily affects women, there are instances of men with it as well. See the paper and abstract below:
Abstract: A 72-year-old man presented with chronic coughing due to an infection with Mycobacterium avium complex: Lady Windermere syndrome.
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Has he gotten a CT scan? Is there a tree-in-bud pattern? What about a bronchoscopy? MAI is very slow-growing, so it can take up to eight weeks to get the respiratory culture results.
Even if he doesn’t have Lady Windermere syndrome specifically, he may have a related condition from mycobacteria (MAI, MAC, NTM, TB, etc.). The good news is chlorine dioxide looks like a promising treatment for all of them (as well as countless other conditions). That is the Ecuador protocol Pierre offered to request for my mom. They are currently testing it on antibiotic-resistant TB.
Pierre just launched a new series on chlorine dioxide, so definitely follow his Stack for more details on this seemingly miraculous cure:
@Margaret Anna Alice. Thank you for sharing your story. I have a very similar profile as your mom. So this was very enlightening to me. I'm learning my P.a infection is like a cofactor. It grows out of control if one of my other infections flares. I found high doses of goldenseal and strong thyme tea throughout the day helps but does not cure. Both have natural antibacterial and antiviral properties. Will continue to follow your mom's journey. (P.s.I've read hashimotos could be viral. EBV. Could lupus be viral? I wish more research would be done on the effects of these herpetic viruses that may be reactivated in our bodies. Could bacteria also be cofactor to a viral infection? So we treat the bacteria but not the virus. )
I am sorry you are suffering similar symptoms, DDM, but I am thrilled this information may help you resolve your condition! And yes, you are exactly right about the P.a infection likely being a cofactor.
Thank you for the recommendations re: goldenseal and thyme tea.
I definitely recommend checking out chlorine dioxide as that is the protocol Pierre recommends. He just launched a new series on this that is well-worth following:
MAA, thank you as always for a great ride up. I request, any chance you can do a quick TLDR? I got lost in the weeds of whether IV vitamin C protocol is likely to help the chronic cough, or any nebulizer including hydrogen peroxide or silver? Was there only one treatment place a plane flight away that Pierre noted?
“yes, it would appear that your mom has some sort of non-tuberculous microbacteria, it could be MAI or it could be a cousin of MAI, but either way now that she is persistently symptomatic in merits treatment. The problem is that there is an old adage about MAI: ‘it becomes a disease of medicines’ because they are poorly tolerated. I personally would pursue a chlorine dioxide protocol, likely via nebulizer with or without oral administration as well. there is a trial going on in Ecuador for drug resistant TB using chlorine dioxide, I will try to find their protocol if you guys are interested.”
So next step is to get the Ecuador protocol and get started on that.
Thank you so much. As we both know, and Doctors like Pierre, there are many undiscovered or suspected treatments that are inexpensive and ignored or scoffed at. Not wacky fanciful stuff, but highly plausible mechanisms.
Don't forget, people die in hospital all the time of sepsis who need not be dying. If your mother becomes septic for any reason, it's high dose intravenous vitamin C, Thiamine which is B1, and corticosteroid.
See Dr. Paul Marik's work for reference. Blessings.
So wonderful to read, Margaret Anna Alice! What an answer to prayer! You reply is overflowing with extremely helpful information! I'm saving it to share! Praise God from Whom all blessings flow! I am grateful!
Jeff I have been in tech all my life and it is always about the money, not the lack of talent. Foreigners will work for less to do a job that is worth more to an American. There are numerous reasons for that but the main one is that they are mostly coming from third world countries that no one wants to live in. That's not a racist comment. That's the truth. Otherwise Elon and Vivek would chase the talent they need and move to India or China or Japan.
I don't have anything against using H1B1 visas but they have become overused to drive wages of Americans down.
Jeff, PLEASE look at all the H1B job listings people are pointing out on Twitter. $25k for truck drivers. Low-level accountants. Etc. etc. There is a difference between H1Bs and O-1s for extraordinary talent. Also, companies like mine bring in tons of people on visas AND ALSO spin up offices in countries like India, so they don't have to hire in America at all. The reason this is raging on Twitter MIGHT be the deep state, but this is an issue that has touched many of us personally. It's a debate we need to have, and I am learning a lot.
But how to do this without creating another big bureaucracy in gov't that will surveil private businesses and tell them who they can hire? It's a quagmire as I know several small tech company owners who evade the HIB visa shortage by just outsourcing vast numbers of tech jobs to places like India. One was recently acquired by a company out of NY. Twelve programmers lost their jobs and their replacements live in India. Either bringing talent here, or hiring it outside the country, American workers lose out, as foreign talent improves the bottom line. ~10 years ago, a client moved all his web development jobs to Costa Rica, and said communication and cultural issues negated some of the wage savings and ended up bringing half of the jobs back. Lost track of him and he retired and closed his biz last year so no idea how it ended up with foreign vs American workers.
You require that H1-B be paid the same wage as their American colleagues in the same role at the same company. This can be tracked via tax information the government already has within the IRS/SBA/Department of Labor, and it makes the H1-B more expensive than the American because it's full compensation + cost of sponsorship. if there legitimately isn't anyone else, it'll be worth it to the company to cough up. Otherwise, they'll go with the American.
Biden rescinded that EO, which is how you know it worked to close H1-B as a corporate cost-cutting loophole lol
Edit: Elon has now offered exactly this solution, plus the addition of an ongoing fee to maintain the visa
Guard rails are indeed what is needed. Instances where Disney laid of tech workers to hire H1Bs to do exactly the same job should not be allowed; but on the other hand I worked at an engineering company that maintained three different modeling systems and the only tech manager we could find who understood how to maintain them was an H1B. Some kind of guideline is needed
The problem is the visa itself because it takes for granted or skips over the most important part: citizenship. Visa recipients are NOT Americans and being or becoming one is at most an after thought. In fact, it is much more advantageous employers to keep visa holders in a second class status.
Immigration should only be about citizenship, not economic advantage. That is, should We the People of the US invite you to become one of us? Are you willing and able to become a self-governing citizen of our natural rights, constitutional republic? Too many of these double-PhD, Wiley Coyote super genius, H1B visa holders are socialists at heart.
It bothers me so much to see good people jerked around. When you know people first hand in these situations of having second class status, hoping for citizenship and working hard to attain it, but the system is unpredictable and they can't feel settled, it's frustrating. Meanwhile people who contribute nothing but crime get free help in every way possible? We need a way to make immigration easier for the good people who want to contribute and be Americans.
They also can't say "no" to their employer without risking their job. Losing the job means having to leave or try and find another sponsor, at worst be deported and never allowed to enter the USA again. It's the same way that many people keep their entirely illegal employees in line.
Wading into the twiXter storm briefly last night, I noticed the vitriol and lack of understanding about the h-1B visa conditions. The company literally holds the visa, and indeed there is little room for saying no, since the visa holder cannot leave for other employment without the cooperation of their current and prospective employers. These employees are handcuffed and may see working 14 hour days as a way to get the visa period extended. They, and their families, are held captive by the employer. It is indentured servitude. The regulations need to be examined. I wonder if we need their physical presence in the country, given the connectedness we now have. I think we also have a duty to examine the elephant of off-shoring for competitive wage advantages. It’s complicated.
It's not that difficult to have people working remotely for you these days, but there is a higher risk of getting scammed and time-zones can be a problem if you need to have a lot of meetings, in some countries there are additional problems with unreliable electricity or internet access. Assuming a non-predatory employer hiring someone who is willing to relocate to another continent and show up at the office increases the likelihood of getting someone who is very dedicated, disciplined and high-agency. Although there are cases where that dedication and discipline applies more to the ability to lie to an employer than to actually working ;)
I've worked remotely for US clients as well as other countries from Europe. It's not difficult and since there is a double taxation treaty there is no additional cost, the customer can pay me in US dollars via ACH, others may use paypal or something like that. It gets difficult if there is a contract dispute because it's basically impossible to sue someone in another continent, this requires a lot of trust between either side and trust is difficult to build remotely. All that work I got through personal references. One major difficulty is if the customer doesn't know the local culture of the country they're contracting to. e.g. in some cultures it's more polite to lie than lose face and not the social norm to admit fault or responsibility. It's very hard to get the right work done and done right if the other side isn't willing to admit if they haven't understood your instructions.
First off, we aren't in "dire need" of H1-B visas as claimed. Just take some time to peruse the lists of the jobs granted these visas (they are available online) and it's *obvious* the system is being abused. It's not lists of highly-qualified nuclear physicists but pretty mundane stuff. The system is clearly being gamed by employers.
These employers are doing for two reasons: 1) foreigners from 3rd world countries will work for less than Americans and 2) because they are dependent of their employment for continued guest visa access, they tolerate abusive working conditions that people with self-respect won't tolerate. It's a form of indentured servitude.
This depresses wages for actual Americans and companies deliberately abuse the system to replace them. Everyone has heard the stories of long time employees being fired and forced to train their guest worker replacements as a condition of severance. These stories are true and aren't propaganda.
This is where all the rancor came from over the last few days. Vivek's extremely condescending and tone-deaf post that pretty much said Americans deserve to be replaced because they are vapid and lazy. Even if it's true (and there's a lot of evidence it is not), he doesn't get a free-pass to trash Americans as a justification to import hundreds of thousands of guest workers (overwhelmingly from India BTW) to replace them. The arrogance of such a screed it hard to believe.
People really are fed up. America is not just some corporate Disneyland where people can come to make a bunch of money and have no stake in the country. There's more things to a country than GDP, such as a common sense of community and a shared heritage. This is what these vulture capitalists deliberately ignore, there is more to life than making money. You don't get to import foreigners to replace Americans just to increase your bottom line. If you don't like Americans work ethic then figure out how to motivate them or move your company to India.
And let's be clear about something else, if Indians are so great then India would be great. It's not, it's a garbage dump. And the extreme arrogance shown by many prominent Indians over the last few days, makes pretty clear they still don't get it. And yes some people said some pretty vile things about Indians. But grow up, people sale vile things about everyone. Plenty of whites have had vile things said about them recently in case people haven't noticed. Funny how this "racism" only goes one way. And also all of the critics with justified concerns (as I outline above) have been tarred as racist along with the bigots. It's obvious what's going on.
What has happened over the last few days has been glorious. Actual Americans (i.e. people who have lived here for generations and can't run back to the "old country" when things get tough) have said enough is enough. We aren't going to stand back and import a bunch of unassimilated foreigners, while debasing our own culture in the process, just so Intel can hit their profit targets. This stuff is over. We aren't going to let the tech bros (who until five minutes ago were Democrats) dictate what constitutes MAGA. They are welcome to participate but this is a nationalist movement. Period.
Elon and Vivek got spanked hard and it was well deserved. We'll see how they respond.
First, I'm going to assume you're no longer in the workforce - is that correct? What Vivek said about our culture was spot on imho, and I say that as a math geek who has been an engineer for 25 years and still has another 10 years (at least) to work. I have a few anecdotes explaining why I agree with Vivek.
1) A couple of years ago, I went to an Eagle Forum meeting at the local civic center which was also hosting the local High School football banquet. The players are allowed to bring dates. These teenage girls were dressed like Pros (Hoes). I was shocked and disgusted. The well off parents in my ruby red conservative want their kids to be either a start football player or a cheerleader. And I hear all kinds of other things you wouldn't want to know about our well off mothers and their teenage daughters where I live from the lady who does my facials every 3 months for the past 5 years. I have no doubt many of those scantily clad teenage girls are now earning a living on OnlyFans.
2) I work in manufacturing. We had a severe labor shortage starting in 2021 when the boomers all retired pretty much at the same time. It was nationwide across all sectors of the workforce. HR and business leaders have been weak. They didn't force their workers to come back to the office because they knew they'd be too hard to replace. You've heard of "quiet quitting" right? Gen X workers like me are burned out taking up the slack of the people who are busy on FB or Instagram most of the day. You said "if you don't like Americans work ethic then figure out how to motivate them or move your company to India." Companies already did that. Trump enticed much investment back here with his tax changes. He wants manufacturing to come back but we can't do that when our own population won't work. If they do work, you have to tiptoe around them in order to avoid hurting their feelings. The other problem we noticed was a significant uptick in accidents. Experienced workers were scared to come to work because the younger workers don't care. They don't even bother to show up half the time, so we have high absenteeism, inspectors and supervisors having to fill in for absent production workers. Just google 'problems with gen z workers'. My coworkers and I overhear conversations from some of the young hourly people. It's not that they're not getting paid enough. They and most of their generations dream job is to be a social media influencer. But the men are fine to sit in their parent's basement all day long playing video games if not worse. We hired 2 engineers in my group over the past 3 years. I'll just say slim pickings out there.
3) Half of our hourly new hire candidates fail the initial drug screen. It's been that way for about 8 years.
4) All my life, young men have jumped at the chance to work 7 12s because of overtime pay. They like having extra $ to take their girlfriends out on dates. Nobody ever called this 'slave labor' until the right became woke snowflakes yesterday.
With all that said, if the Loomer crowd had cried 'this is corporate welfare', that would have been a good argument, but they didn't. Imho, if there's any deep state involvement I'd take a long look at Loomer. Google "Laura Loomer Hillary Clinton". Remember the whole "curry" remarks she made? She's obnoxious and disgusting, and I don't think her side is going to win this fight. They made asshats of themselves.
Your assumption is wrong, I am in the workforce in a senior leadership technical position. Fortunately, my industry hasn't been affected by this as it requires US citizenship and often a security clearance granted by the US government.
We do just fine and don't require a single "guest worker". We have great, honest, hard working people, all of them citizens. I'd suggest that maybe the reason you cannot attract quality workers is that you pay them substandard wages and expect unreasonable commitments. We expect forty hours worth of work where they do their best. And we pay them for it.
It makes no difference if what Vivek said was true. None. This guy was a Democrat a couple of years ago, he doesn't get to dictate MAGA. He's an elitist son of immigrants who by fortunate circumstance took advantage of the best America had to offer. He has zero standing to trash American culture (even if it's true) and then tell people they deserve to be replaced. That's what he said and it was so tone deaf I doubt he'll actually be part of the administration for long.
Lisa - instead of you trashing young people who don't live up to your inflated high standards you might want to try actually listening to them. They are pissed that a couple of generations ago a milkman working forty hours a week could raise a family and buy a home. Now it's unlikely they will ever be able to buy a home regardless of how hard they work And they are right to be angry. Their birthright was sold out by types exactly like Vivek, condescending arrogant elitists with no cultural ties to the country. And you snarkilly complain about "the kids these days"?
Seriously, this is exactly why people cannot stand Boomers (or people that act like them). They think they are something special when in reality they just happened to come of age exactly when America was booming and before it was sold out from under the following generations. The answer is not to replace these people with foreigners with no connection to the country but to listen to them.
Edit: Adding to this that Elon's own Space-X cannot use guest workers because the work they do is governed by ITAR which requires US Citizenship. They have zero trouble attracting talent and are changing the world, but they also pay well.
The median salary to buy a home in the US is $99,000. That's about $48 dollars an hour. What are you paying these assembly people you complain about, $15-$20 an hour? No wonder they don't they don't feel like they are part of something.
Trump was a Democrat a couple of years before 2016. Vivek didn't say we deserved to be replaced. He said if we don't demand higher standards of the people in our society, we are not going to out-compete China. I agree with that. And whining about it might make people feel better, but it doesn't fix the problem that we have. A couple of generations ago, the industrial capacity of Europe and Japan were still being rebuilt after complete obliteration during WW2. That's why a milkman was able to raise a family and buy a home (which would be considered a tiny home by today's standards). I'm not a Boomer. I grew up in the 70s-80s in one of the poorest states in the country. I've seen nothing but improved living conditions in my region of the country for most of my life. But none of us expected to be able to be able to buy a home while we were in our 20s. $24 an hour is entry level pay here. The young ones usually don't show up the Monday after payday, and it's worse after our quarterly bonus payout day. Two young workers living together (as in married) at $24/hr could buy a $99,000 house, both with only high school diplomas. That's a lot better than my parents first home, a single wide, in 1963. Did I mention the part where half of our new hire candidates can't stay of drugs long enough to pass the initial drug screen? I live in B'ham AL, so it's cultural I guess. Are we allowed to talk about that? Here's a chart of nonfarm job openings. If you weren't affected by it at work, you should consider yourself lucky. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/JTSJOL
🎯 My main argument FOR Trump when he was first elected was that he stopped the Obama policy of flooding the US with HB-1s. We have several friends who are independent IT contractors and were preparing to have their wages cut in half until Trump stopped it. I'm baffled as to why he is okay silent about this now. We also know other very knowledgeable individuals within tech companies who have reached glass ceilings because of the gender and skin color. Until they scrap the DEI and bring workers back to the office, we should not expand outsourcing. Fix the US first:
On a side note, we know a very qualified Indian woman who has been working in the US. She was sent back during Covid and the company fought to get her back sooner than the required VISA time. Women do not have the opportunity to work in IT in India. We are grateful to have her here as the US gives women opportunities they would not otherwise have. Same story with a woman from Lebanon.
Women certainly work in IT and engineering in India. I know because I hired, trained, and managed them in India and was eventually replaced by them. Not just me but all my teams, largely comprised of women, in all the western “high cost” nations lost out to offshoring to Indian IT workers. They were not better educated, not at all. But they they were cheaper. About 1/5th the price of a western worker. Follow the money.
Exactly! It's always about the money. For startups, investor money has dried up thanks to Bidenomics. I know several experienced and excellent tech workers who can't find jobs because the job market in tech is the worst since 2008. I am one of them. I have a PhD in a scientific field and I have an excellent, top notch resume, crickets. A friend just told me her husband works for Cisco and they're having more layoffs and he isn't getting rid of bottom feeders, he's having to layoff top notch talent because they're work force is already very lean. Her 23 year old son knows several recent college graduates in computer science who can't find jobs. More and more tech companies are having layoffs every week. IBM is moving jobs back to India after just bringing those jobs back to the US a few years ago. My friend who works at IBM told me that IBM stopped hiring people in Poland in favor of people in India because the Polish workers got too expensive. I'm thinking Elon doesn't need more H1B visas. If workers here are too expensive, maybe they need to work on doing something about the economy here.
When I hired recent graduates for a campus research center, the h1b salary requirements were often higher than what we were already paying our full-time citizen employees 🫣 so that infrequent hire would then ripple into salary realignments for everyone else. But campus salaries in the non faculty research ranks tend to be suppressed compared to the dot com world.
What do you say to Elon and others who claim that, if a qualified American were available, they'd choose the American, because it's so much easier/quicker and less expensive to hire an American than go through the rigmarole of the visa?
Let me explain. They are offering a wage that is cheaper to them but not as expensive as a H1B1. There is a line there where they stop looking for American talent and go for foreigners. That stops wage growth right there. That is the cap for American wages. So they may never get to the wage level that makes it competitive for an American worker to enter the position. That's a problem. But the answer is not more foreign talent. Its to pay more for the position so that more Americans are interested in it.
You can say the same thing about Germans, Koreans, Taiwanese, Israelis. These countries grow good engineers. The farmer harvests where the crop is good. ITAR just makes it more difficult
Just adding that many of the offensive, ad-hominem, attacking comments made are most likely bots or by nefarious actors. I'm sure most folks here can spot it too, and not to react as they're leading you.
Maybe Miles Mathis is correct about the assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks - that crooks is undercover CIA. Makes sense because of the complete blackout on information about Crooks and his family.
Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance, and let endurance have its perfect result, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. James 1:2-4 NASB
God gave us brains to use. Sitting back idly and saying God will take care of it is to say we are mindless nincompoops with no ability to resolve any of our problems. Should you tie down the camels at night or let God take care of it? I was just in a discussion with someone yesterday who said people see Trump supporters as racist idiots. There seems to be a touch if racism tied with the H1-B argument and there certainly seems to be a touch of embracing staying stupid until the nation is really like that movie Idiocracy. The desire to see how quickly we can get to an intellectual level of the earthworm apparently knows no party affiliation. If bringing in some of the best of other nations makes us better as a people, why not do it? I thought that's what America was about.
Please don’t fall for the prescribed “racism” card. Americans are so afraid to state that they prefer their culture over a foreign one. Why? Many Hindus prefer their culture over an American one, even as they like the creature comforts this American culture has created. The same goes for Mexicans or any other foreign group that comes here. It’s tribalism, and it’s part of human nature. Bringing in lots of Hindus will radically change our culture, and not for the better (look at some parts of Canada). Americans should have their culture and not be threatened with a replacement population.
The American culture is an amalgamation of many cultures and it's one of the great things about America. Remember that in the 19th century, Irish immigrants were despised, as were Italians. Being primarily Catholic and often of working classes, they didn't fit into the Protestant public's perception of what an American should be. Now we have parades celebrating both cultures. And then there was the Chinese. Oh boy did they get hated. The gov't even wrote the Chinese Exclusion Act which banned Chinese from entering the country. One of the first laws banning people because of race. So, hating people of other cultures is tribalism, as you say and a part of the American culture, too. It is preferable that people coming here do assimilate rather than remain isolated in separate communities. One of the reasons for legal immigration is that immigrants are required to learn about the country they are entering. Having multiple cultures coming to this country can contribute to the growth of our own culture which is always changing, unless, of course, the culture embraces violence, subjugation, superstition, etc. By the way, I'll bet the native Americans didn't like having their culture replaced, either. I think you may be confusing culture with affluence/materialism when you say other cultures prefer the "creature comforts" of our culture. Everyone likes material things that make their lives more comfortable. That's not a cultural thing.
Here's why: because when one gets legal status they bring over their families (chain my migration). For example there are cities in Texas that are mainly Indian replete with Hindu temples.
Elon's desire to get the top .01% of engineering talent is probably fine. But it's all the mid level IT workers on H1B visas that should end.
What is more important is to remember that God helps those who help themselves and their neighbours as in the parable of the 3 servants entrusted with their master's money while he was away.
God helps us all, not just "those who help themselves!" That statement is pure fiction! God helps whomever, whether or not "they help themselves!"
I wasn't "helping myself" when He met me in the dark hallway of my boyfriend's house! He called out to me, not the other way around! "Take my hand." I responded that I'd scraped the bottom of the bucket so hard I was under the proverbial bucket of a sin filled life, how could He want me? "Take me hand," He called again. And that is all it took! I grabbed a hold of Him. Gone were the addictions that kept me from living. Gone were the desires to destroy what I knew to be good. In one short, simple conversation between myself and the Creator, my heavenly Father, I knew where I wanted to be. And, that was with Him! In an instant, I was healed from a lifetime of pain that started when I was raped at age 5 by an uncle who never knew a child he couldn't abuse! God helped me because I couldn't help myself! And I am forever grateful! The Savior, born to save me, didn't require my doing anything!
"I grabbed hold of Him". This. This is our one responsibility, to decide to accept the great gift of salvation, or to reject it. The rest is all God. I'm so glad you grabbed hold!! It's truly staggering the healing that can happen when the Holy Spirit moves into your tabernacle, and how fast it can happen!
I am glad God reached out to you. He does not save everyone in need.
I have my own uplifting story of personal divine intervention so I am a believer.
What I am saying is if everyone sits around waiting for God to save them then who is going to plant the crops, harvest the crops, make the farm machinery, build the ark to save us, etc.
We need to do our best for ourselves and our fellow man and if God decides to aid us then Bonus.
I totally agree. What I know to be true is, God calls us, we don't call Him. If it was up to us, we'd never look for Him. His love for us and His Holy Spirit coupled with our acceptance is what drives us to do what He wants for us. That Divine Drive goes on and on!
I think we’re talking about 2 different things here.
God calls us all and did that by sending His Son, Jesus to be born of a virgin, become flesh, dwell among us, crucified on a cross, and rose from the dead and now sits at the right hand of His Father in Heaven. We all are sinners until we do exactly what Maggie Think Of Me did, answer when He calls. He called and SHE DID SOMETHING by grabbing hold of Him. Every person on earth has that choice once they have heard and respond one way or another. Our free will of choice. The only thing we have to to is accept Him and His invitation to call Him Savior and stop sinning
The other, I believe relates to the scripture of Proverbs 6:6-19 where we are told that even the ants prepare for themselves for the winter by gathering all fall and they have no commander or leader to tell them to do this. There are other scriptures that explain this same concept in different parables relating to the situation.
All we have to do is look around and see the generation that’s looking for handout without working; passing grades with doing the work; a full days pay for a half day’s work, etc. This is an area where Proverbs 13:4 would apply to, “The soul of a sluggard craves and gets nothing, while the soul of the diligent is richly supplied.”
Semantics and context are important. (Also diagraming sentences lol)
Maggie Think of Me, I will think of your story daily as I pray for those I love to reach out and grab hold of Jesus as He is calling them. You are a beautiful witness of the saving Grace of Jesus. I’m blessed by your story.
Hi Fred, I respect your point here. But would you consider a something just a little different?
I think what you may want to emphasize is stewardship - that is what that parable of the talents is about. The quote “God helps those who help themselves” from Greek mythology - the story of the wagoneer w a broken wheel. And it is actually “Heaven, (the gods of Mt Olympus), help those who help themselves.” I grew up hearing people use that quote that as though it was from God-breathed scripture. When I tried to look it up for myself one day as a young adult, I was shocked to discover the source. (If you didn’t know that, please do not feel bad. I just heard Jack Posobiac use it on his show “Human Events” on Christmas Eve. So we are in good company.) God doesn’t really need us for anything but He has chosen to have a relationship with us - allowing us to be stewards, giving us purpose to bring Him
Glory. I think we might agree that stewardship of the blessing God has given to us is seen repeatedly through scripture. It is my prayer that more and more people would see that our country and our constitution is a gift from God and it is our duty in obedience to scripture to be vigilant, engaged, steward in our communities and nation. I appreciate your consideration of this and hope your Christmas and new year ahead is blessed!!
Thankyou for the historical source of the expression. I did not know where it came from until now. If you will recall the servant given 1 talent was scolded by him master for not having increased his master's money, even through he was a good steward in preserving the money. It is not the perfect biblical reference but it was the best I could think of at the moment I wrote the comment.
The problem with H1B is the system has been brutally misused, openly, with no punishment. They do not exhaust local resources. Disney fired a whole programming department and forced them to hire their H1B replacements in order to qualify for their severance! And that had to have been at least 10 years ago!
I remember that one, because that office was one of my first interviews out of college.
Any discussion of H1B necessity without discussion of preventing replacing our workforce with one that oligarchs prefer is just an own goal on the part of MAGA.
At the very least any company that had layoffs before shouldn't be allowed to sponsor any foreign worker Visa for a few years and it should also be illegal for them to hire H1B workers through subcontractors.
But not sure how you enforce that. We are trying to shrink the size of government, not add to the surveillance state. I am a 'lean no' on the H1B visas, as the overall goal is getting people who will work long hours for relative peanuts, but torn, as I also am against the gov't setting a minimum wage.
Maybe public exposure, now that we have a couple of ways of getting information out? Let applicants know which companies to avoid, for example. Affect their public reputations as employers by sharing validated, truthful information that can't be a basis for suing.
Enforcement would be a huge problem, I think this would probably require a way for the employees that are displaced or rejected to sue instead of leaving it up to bureaucrats who don't do their job and just accept it if a company lies cleverly enough.
But how is a broke unemployed person going to be able to afford a lawyer? Similar issue; a friend posted this AM about how happy she was to see a lawsuit (post she shared had very few details, it was basically clickbait) against a host of 'big food' companies for 'ultra processed foods'. Meh. Lawyers get rich, and food companies pass the legal costs on to the consumer. If we don't like what they put in their products, DON'T BUY THEM.
Seems like the answer to everything these days is either 'sue them' or 'regulate them'. But seems like the court of public opinion can turn on a dime compared to the years and $$ that lawsuits & regs do.
There are no solutions, only trade-offs. It may be more sensible to scrap the whole H1B program if it's more trouble than it's worth. That a high-skilled person lives paycheck to paycheck and can't afford a lawyer is a whole other problem.
Yeah, it's sad how financially illiterate many professionals are. Of course these are the types of employees you might want to retain because they really need that paycheck about as much as the H1B employees need their visa.
True, I have a lawyer friend who shifted to 'covid law' in 2020. Said she was shocked by the number of what she called 'golden handcuff' clients who wanted to hire her to help get religious exemptions for the shots. Big salaries and even bigger mountains of debt and could not afford to lose their jobs. Went around telling groups when she spoke that the best way to help themselves was live on less than you make and have a pile of "FU Money" for times like these. One of my most outspoken conservative warrior friends got the shot and didn't even fight it as he is the sole breadwinner in his house with 6 kids and said he couldn't afford to jeopardize his job. At least he was honest about it, turns out there were many others who caved and didn't tell anyone til later.
I appreciate your sentiments but sometimes even though a certain type of worker has been laid off, the new hires have different expertise. Otherwise you are entering the Biden territory of coal workers need learn to code.
I get that, but there is such a thing as moral hazard. If you need layoffs and different expertise you still have the option to hire domestically. Although for many positions the companies could also just contract the work out to another country, there are no tariffs or taxes on services.
yes, H1Bs are cheaper, and they are very "compliant" -- no unions etc. There's nothing in the law that says that the company even has to "try" to find a US worker...
The trick is to find a person abroad with the required skill-set and then word the job posting so that it only fits to that specific person. In fields like IT it's pretty easy to do since there is such a wide range of qualifications.
Just like those gov't contracting bid requests that are written in such a way that only those who help line the pockets of the political class or fit the proscribed narrative need reply. They can then say, "oh, we put it out for bid and only had one company submit a bid" and thus get out of the requirement that there be 3 bids for every contract. That's how our county gov't rolls.
Just like any regulation that purports to solve a problem - it gives the regulatory class a reason to justify their existence, but ignores that people will find away to evade it.
I go round and round with my liberal daughter over the wage issue. One of our favorite restaurants closed in 2020, and posted that their closure was due to inability to find employees. (this was during covid when people were paid to stay home) Sent the post to her, and remarked how sad it was, and her response was, "it's their own fault, if they paid people a living wage they wouldn't have this problem" Her reply was the same when her brother/our son, noted that entry level production workers who had a brain and a work ethic were impossible to find at his plant. He told her if they paid more, they would have to raise prices and would lose customers. She just shrugged and said the owners shouldn't make such big profits.
The truth is somewhere in the middle I suppose - foreign workers ARE cheaper and more compliant but we also have too many people that feel entitled to a certain standard of living but don't want to have to work or make sacrifices to get it, in part due to a social safety net that disincentivizes work and upward mobility.
On social media, where I have such conversations, I often encourage people like your daughter to start a business and run it for one whole year after she’s able to hire just one employee for that year. If more people did this it would be worth a whole lot compared to the other ‘education’ they get. America was built on small business people, including farmers, people who ‘made a living.’ Now we only tell young people they need to ‘get a job,’ by being a cog in someone else’s machine. It’s a completely different mindset, self-sufficiency, self-control, and self-government vs. being a subject, and we’re suffering for it.
Oh that I could actually have that rational conversation. Her flippant remarks are an unspoken line in the sand. Dare to cross it and you get an unhinged rant, and a walk out the door, one that she will slam as she goes if possible. She was not raised that way - I've been self employed since she was in elementary school, and had plenty of dinner table conversations on economics, supply and demand, gov't regulations and so on. Didn't stick, she wandered away in college.
I would bet that my parents despaired of me, too, but in the end I think I might have been more conservative than either of them, and they were conservative! Don’t lose hope.
The thing I don't understand is why Elon brought the subject up. Was there a big drive to end H1-B visas? If so, it was new to me.
First address illegal immigration, then we talk about legal immigration. We still have 24 days before the MAGA tires start turning, gaining traction, so let's take a chill pill 😎, stay alert and keep our powder dry.
These guys are really, like REALLY sharp, and know how to handle social media. I have a hard time believing they accidentally stumbled into this argument.
I hope we can just not implode for long enough to see how DOGE pans out - I think it will be hugely net positive!
I disagree. If they were really sharp they would not have mentioned a thing until it was a done deal and unstoppable. The answer is the opposite, due to their arrogance they stepped in it big time.
I'm grateful for what these two guys have done in getting Trump elected. But both of these guys were Democrats until not too long ago. They only sided with MAGA because it was clear the Dems have gone insane. They are not nationalists at heart.
They thought (in their ignorance) they could dictate to the base what MAGA now represents. They were wrong. The base is not a bunch of brain-dead automatons but national populists who are fed up with business as usual. We no longer believe a word of why this thing that is obviously bad (importing huge numbers of unassimilated foreigners that under cut wages) is supposedly a good thing. There are plenty of dolts out there still falling for it, but most people in MAGA woke up long ago.
That's why they got the brutal response they did over the the last few days, and it was 100% self-inflicted and deserved. People are angry, and we aren't going to put up with this stuff anymore.
Not only that, he's on record denigrating American workers in the most condescending and degrading manner. He also advised Indian guest workers on how to scam the system to get permanent residence.
The guy is clearly a POS with no cultural or ancestral ties to America, but simply views it a land to exploit. This is not MAGA, and we will not accept these types of people in the movement's leadership. They are welcome to participate but will not be dictating terms.
You know BFM, one of the downsides of being red-pilled is it wakes us up to some harsh realities. Frankly some of these I wish I hadn't seen as it was more pleasant to just be oblivious and bumbling around in the world.
The Judaism-Hindu rathole is one of these realities. Both Talmudic Judaism and Hinduism have fundamental teachings that the commoners are simply cannon fodder for the elites. The elites are different in both religions but the foundational teachings are identical. Whether it's the Jew-Gentile divide or the caste system, the results are the same. And it's the antithesis of Christianity's teaching that God's love and salvation are available to all who accept it.
Even if people aren't openly religious, thousands of years of this elitist thinking has deeply molded many people immersed in it's culture. On the Hindu side, they really showed it over the last few days.
I went to school with a person, first generation American of wealthy Indian parentage, who is now considered a Thought Leader (TM), def an elite Eastern seaboard type person who makes markets in terms of ideas.
This person will flat out tell you to your face that Hindus are the most evolved individuals on earth, all other persons are lesser, ignorant, benighted, lowly, etc. And of course it can't be helped, there's nothing to do for them and really it's their own fault anyway, the poor schmucks just haven't incarnated enough times to choose life as a Hindu, apparently.
This blew me away when this person told me this. Meanwhile many "think pieces" from them on American racism, of course.
Jeff C - Um, looks like Musk is already in, way in, the MAGA leadership - put there by the incoming pres. himself. So, maybe your disagreement needs to be redirected to Trump. Let him know what his decisions should be...
Sort of. Trump appointed this guy to a low-level advisory position.
Laura Loomer then jumped in because she needs some new outrage to pay rent this month and blew it up using her influencer network, as though this guy is going to be personally setting immigration policy for the entire country.
David Sacks then pointed out that there are indeed issues with the current country cap system and furthermore, issues finding the right people for specific roles in Silicon Valley without immigration, which Elon and Vivek then backed up with their own experiences, in language which was interpreted as non-charitable to native-born Americans. Despite Vivek being himself a native-born American who absolutely understands the gaps in our culture when it comes to producing quality engineers, even if his solutions are largely dumb and useless.
Then it just became a raging firestorm that Trump is clearly waiting to peter out.
"Laura Loomer points out that Elon Musk has hired non-American citizens for "entry level" roles at Tesla using the database that lists the salaries of H1B visa holders."
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"I really don’t think a material planner falls under the category of “highly specialized” as the law states the employee must be. Which means Tesla is willfully violating the law."
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Elon musk just revoked her verification and canceled her subscribers and then bragged about it. All for exposing his legal replacement migration strategy.
We are smart enough to not have to do a "First" then a "Second". We can, and should, do BOTH. Plenty of people like me who can provide valuable input on the carving out of the IT Middle Class over the past two decades, resulting in lost opportunities for our own American kids needlessly. Is it fair to have colleges make it seem like getting an expensive 4 year degree in IT is a necessity, then having many of those kids find out because they are white males that many consulting companies (not to mention woke corporate HR toadies) won't even give them a chance. There is literally a caste system that has been built up in IT over the past 20 years. It is time to face it, and dismantle it.
We will not support you financially and you are not welcome to leach off our government handouts but if you take a legal path, desire to blend in to our culture, and have something to contribute, come on in!
That's unconstitutional to force a confession of faith and antithetical to Christianity itself. People must be allowed to choose what they believe, and confess.
BUT they do have to agree to abide by our laws and ways which are founded in the Christian faith.
"Our culture" is pretty messed up right now in places, and personally, I think we could use some of the insiders coming to Jesus in a sense... before we ask outsiders to mimick us.
I feel on the front lines of this STEM issue, with a smart, capable, motivated, unemployed recent grad in my house, who spends his days applying to just the kinds of jobs being argued about. He doesn’t need an H1-B VISA, but he does need a job!
Yup. My son is friends with a young man who just graduated from the University of Washington with an engineering degree and can’t get a job because he doesn’t have enough experience.🤷🏻♀️
helping with job placement. At the very least they should be telling all students to take time & intern somewhere. Build relationships. It’s not what you know, it’s who you know.
My heart and prayers go out to the grad. We need out of the UN, WHO and NATO to start. We need to revoke all D.E.I........... but how is that going to happen when you have massive global dark pools of money funding it at every turn, especially using recycled tax money.
LIterally how are we going to remain competitive and stop one world government if we continue down this path. This all started a century ago...... Every American alive today has been impoverished by it save a very small percentage at the top.
There isn’t any room for discrimination before God’s eyes!
“After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,”
We are called to discriminate all the time here on earth. Don't compare what will be in Heaven one day with what is here on earth. In heaven there is no sin, not even the tiniest bit. There is no fear of going without food, housing, or fearing for your life.
We have the parables Jesus gave us to know we need to use all our talents He has given us. And he doesn't give everyone the same amount of them.
We are called to not tolerate sinful behavior, therefore we will rightly discriminate. We are called to follow just laws therefore we will not look the other way when people break them (illegal immigration being one example).
There are eternal consequences we will face one day. Without us modeling consequences for behavior here (ie. just discrimination), how are people prepared to believe that God means what He says in scripture about punishment for sin?
Plenty examples of showing good judgment could be perceived as discrimination, and it would be correct.
1. Discernment is not exactly the same thing as discrimination, but it allows us to discriminate wisely. Both are required.
2. We are not perfect either, so we can't come at this from a position of self-righteousness, but from one of humility in the grace of God, and standing in the righteousness of Jesus, because we NEED TO prevent malign influences from destroying us, and to winnow them out of our nation and our homes so as not to fall prey to such. We NEED TO cast out people from our society and our lives that would cause us to stumble and become no good to anyone, until the cast-out ones repent (including some people who are 'citizens'). We have a Word of God (in written form and in the Creation), and a Constitution, to guide us -- if only we would be able to use them wisely...
3. Each one of us who is a Jesus-follower is an imperfect ambassador for the Christ.
We each have struggles to become more like Him. This affects our 'diplomacy.' I know it affects mine anyway. That doesn't mean we give up, right? Right! Onward!
4. We must discern and not return evil for evil, in the sense that we must not become the things we are fighting against. And, with the Holy Spirit lighting the path, we CAN navigate the pitfalls and traps in our own lives and as a nation, and even walk through the valley of the shadow of death. We can learn from our mistakes and do better.
5. That is the discernment we must apply in discrimination, as things come up right in front of us moment by moment, and that we may project even into the future with the wisdom of revelation from the Holy Spirit of God; during this walking out of the Will of God, I believe that all those who are children of God must see those 'outside the camp' the way He does, as unsaved, unreached souls, trapped in darkness, prisoners of the war between good and evil. I pray for our enemies to know Him and Who He Is.
6. That being said, I'm NOT saying we should 'bring them all in' to our nation and into our homes, and then hope they see the light. I pray we could show/demonstrate the light to them and the ways of the light, so that they could see it from where they are (and even send them back there to where they came from, where they should be, if they are here illegally). I pray that they would realize, understand and appreciate the value of the light, and find a desire to emulate it before coming here, or to work to create it in their own nation. AND a lot of that is not our job, it's God's and theirs.
7. Immigrants must have an invitation (no 'party crashers'), one given for the expressed right reasons that make common sense -- when it is a net benefit for both parties, and if it takes time and hard work to get there, that's life! No shortcuts. WE have sovereign rights endowed by Our Creator in the land where WE've been planted.
After all, heaven doesn't allow ANYONE to be a citizen of its kingdom in eternity, to just storm the borders and bring destruction with them. It's not even possible, and it's time people understood that applies to our nation and our homes as well, as imperfect as we are.
8. There's always a reason people come here to our nation -- malevolent, benevolent, or even benign. We DO need the opportunity to have that intent communicated, and time to assess that intent in advance of granting outsiders the right to gain entry. If we don't have the resources to do it properly and quickly, it doesn't seem wise to just grab people up to fill any and every gap for a quick fix or instant gratification, forfeiting long term prosperity for expediency. How about we develop our own resources to fill gaps, even if it takes a long time to do it, and we have to suffer the growing pains of that? That would be something great for people to emulate.
9. We must wrestle against not flesh and blood, but the spiritual darkness in hearts and minds due to false philosophies and 'religions.' Our weapons of warfare are spiritual.
10. Common sense dictates things like immigration need to be done decently and in order, thoughtfully and not willy-nilly. Not sure how the pace of this century allows that, but God knows how to work that out, He is always working. He is in everything, both seen and unseen. Even in the immigration reset we need!
11. I AM concerned about centralization at the federal level of immigration though, under the banner of 'national security,' because it takes power away from individual citizens and states to determine who's in their communities. (Only sheriffs have Constitutional authority...) While at the same time, people are invited into one community and then bleed into others... and the people who make those decisions do not seem to take into account the will of the people they claim to represent. So.
12. It's a problem to federalize every part of immigration and impose it top down and tie the hands of local communities to defend themselves against an out-of-control onslaught.
13. Nevertheless, I believe we need to have the federal government carry out this mass deportation at this time in our history, to undo the damage the federal government has done for the last four years...
14. God help us get this right! In Jesus' name, Amen.
Finally, God knows the plans He has for us, and His thoughts are not our thoughts, and His ways are not our ways.
If we want to make God laugh, tell Him our plans...
If we're in the 'end times.' then NCSWIC (Nothing Can Stop What Is Coming) takes on a whole new meaning, lol.
This might be one of your all-time best articles, Jeff. We are capable of having nuanced discussions instead of always devolving into ad hominem attacks at the slightest provocation - but we must hold ourselves accountable to do so, just like we always say others must be held accountable.
The H1-B Visa? Seriously? This is the hill someone wants to die on? I think not.
And if it really got to you, *cough*Laura Loomer*cough*, perhaps consider taking a day off to touch grass - because we have much bigger fish to fry.
The day Elon recommends we all get neural implants and Crypto replaces cash, I’ll jump on your Cancel Elon bandwagon; until then, let him cook.
First, that’s a bold assertion. Second, let’s say it’s true though; I have just one reply: timing is everything.
If we were to make a list of the biggest issues facing our national security, economy and health, Can you honestly say H-1B Visas make the top 10 list?
Come on now.
You can make a case for hundreds of issues that need addressing, but I would suggest that we are such in a precarious situation that we must prioritize and pick our battles - and certainly not “cancel” one of the most powerful allies we currently have in the fight for our national survival and prosperity.
Biden and the left made the enormous mistake of making an enemy of Elon - effectively pushing him our way. Why squander that? Sure he’s a businessman; that’s why we want him to help us bring efficiency to our bloated federal government! It should really come as no surprise that Elon seeks efficiency for his own businesses and is refreshingly transparent about it. His comments simply reflect the way things are now; that doesn’t mean they can’t change.
So I submit we simply acknowledge his comments as valid, but also add this to a list of things where change is needed. That’s only fair.
I'm not claiming H1B is a top 10 issue, but it is big as it's YET another anti-White/anti-Christian effort. Jeff brought it up because Elon and Vivek made a storm saying 'Whites are dumb' and they are pushing for more foreigners to take American jobs. They don't even talk about training or trade work for our people.
You're dissing Loomer, but here she exposes how much of a liar Elon is.
She shows a dump of Tesla jobs of $70K a year 'materials planner' and such that are all Indian imports. That's not a 'highly specialised' job as the law requires, meaning Tesla is in violation.
This is a big issue and has been for over 20 years. We're losing the country in real time. This has to be fixed. If you had a kid who in the last 20 years graduated with a STEM degree you would have a different opinion
We're not "losing the country", take a deep breath and calm down. Out of the 161 million working Americans, only 0.7% (1.2 million) are on H1-B visas, and it increases by only 65,000 a year + 20.000 of the higher-requirement O-1 visa. Our issues aren't that we're importing some gigantic, displacement-capable number of people, it's that we focused all of our STEM training at software engineering and saturated the market, then stopped prosecuting visa fraud in the same industry.
We didn't focus on pushing people into manufacturing-related STEM fields because we didn't have manufacturing, and now the industries we did push people into (finance/e-commerce, medical data, retail) are flooding out. We're moving back towards having high-tech manufacturing as the basis of the economy, and we don't have the correct STEM training to support that, and won't until the next generation is through education in 20 years. Something has to patch that gap.
And yes, I graduated in 2018 with (two) STEM degrees, then went through hell for two years unable to find a job, so I do actually know what I'm on about.
Each newcomer brings dozens of his family with them. They don't assimilate. Why can't they make India great? Why do they have to come to White countries to be able to prosper?
Oh ok, just bog-standard, skin-color based racism, got it. Sorry, not an argument.
If there was at least a cultural/anthropological argument here that would be one thing, but this exact thing was said about all those groups which are now just called "White" as they came over, and it wasn't true then either.
It was said of my Irish ancestors. It was said of my best friend's Italian ancestors, it was said of the Germans for whom one district of my city is (derogatorily) named. Literally, verbatim all of this has been said before, against the people whom you now champion on the basis of shared skin tone.
I say this with all the care in the world: kindly fuck off.
I provided data points. Baltimore and Detroit use to be wonderful cities that Whites built.
Then segregation was ended and Blacks moved in. Crime moved up, Whites moved out.
It's not skin tone but it's racial roots. Whites built productive societies. That's the only places were Blacks thrive. There's over 60 Black countries - each one is a shit hole.
Just like India.
Moving those people to White countries doesn't help us one bit.
No, like I said earlier, the list of pressing issues this country is facing is long - and as I said above, we don’t have the luxury of “cancelling” one of the most effective agents of the change that is required over an issue that doesn’t even make the Top 10 list. I never said it wasn’t an important issue,I simply said now is not the time to cut off our nose to spite our face. We need all hands on deck - is that really so hard to understand?
Who are you addressing? Me? Because I don’t recall ever throwing anyone under a bus, much less “white guys”. If you care to clarify, I’m happy to respond.
Elon wants unlimited Indians to staff his tech jobs.
Trump wants green cards for India as soon as they graduate from our colleges. We are talking about many millions of people. We're not being improved by these moves.
Our entire scientific community was formed around Immigrants. From Oppenheimer being an Immigrant to Germany for obtaining his Doctorate to Edward Teller who received his Doctorate in his native Hungary.
These broad brushstrokes of immigration sounds like ‘woke’.
What makes you think they only come from India? China has their own brand of the same bird, and a Russia certainly has a great relationship with India, but isn’t exactly known as a hi-tech hotbed of innovation.
Lots of engineers also come from Colombia, thought they tend to be more of the mechanical brand. Anyway, your argument brings to mind things like collegiate and professional sports. Are you bothered by all the Dominicans or Japanese in the MLB? You have a rising college student try to get a spot on a University sports team recently? Not a scholarship, mind you, just a spot on the team. I have two tennis playing teens who would love to continue to play competitively when they get to college - but there’s no room - the whole team is full of foreigners from all over the world. 🤷🏼♀️
My guys don’t want to play professionally, but it seems that’s all collegiate sports are for now - which is kinda sad.
Anyway, the point comes back to my earlier comment which is about priorities and ultimately a merit based system, to a degree, though that’s a longer conversation.
For now, can we just stay focused on a top ten list of critical priorities and not have this whole thing come apart at the seams over what is really a minor issue, relatively speaking?
Sure, but did you not just read my comment about all the other issues we’re facing? Did you not just read my comment acknowledging it’s something that can be added to a list to be addressed? Not sure why you think I would be against the topic being discussed, or that somehow I don’t “get” what the issue is; I get it. But at the Federal Government level, Erika, this particular issue doesn’t even make a Too 10 List! As Jeff noted in his post today, it’s so transparently an attempt by the deep state to dampen Elon’s effectiveness - have you asked yourself why you fell for it?
Are you maybe just addicted to outrage culture?
How many times did the topic of H-1B Visas even occur to you before yesterday?
Come on; it’s time to take responsibility for where we place our focus; it’s not time to be manipulated by the deep state; haven’t we had plenty of that over the past 5 years?
Come on; lock in. We have work to do - and both Elon and Vivek will be enormously helpful if we can just stay focused.
Julie, well stated! Seems many who are addicted to outrage culture let it overtake their willingness to stay focused on the Big Picture. Hopefully, respectful but specific dialogue will help us all.
"Laura Loomer points out that Elon Musk has hired non-American citizens for "entry level" roles at Tesla using the database that lists the salaries of H1B visa holders."
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"I really don’t think a material planner falls under the category of “highly specialized” as the law states the employee must be. Which means Tesla is willfully violating the law."
BFM…If I was ‘in charge’ of the deep state and I wanted to insert Elon Musk as a Trojan horse agent into the conservative majority, I would have him make a public turnaround regarding politics and then have him take lots of heat from the progressives. Weak conservatives that are all talk would gush over him for standing up and doing something they aren’t capable of doing. That way, when the mask is dropped and progressive policies enacted, I could sit back and watch these supporters defend the very man that infiltrated their Lil’ Rascals club.
Elon is no less expendable than Epstein was, so it doesn’t even matter how long the charade works. It’s sad that so many conservatives are so defeated that they’ll accept a wolf who isn’t even wearing the full disguise.
I also consider that God has a track record of using nonbelievers to accomplish his perfect Will.
If God is using Elon to rattle the cages of the lukewarm and make them uncomfortable enough to seek salvation through Jesus, then so be it. I don’t know, but I do know that God can do literally anything he wants.
Above all regarding Elon, I pray that God saves his soul. His money and intelligence are worth nothing in the coming Kingdom.
The saddest part of all of this is that many fake Christians are looking to Elon to save them from discomfort. They don’t even realize that discomfort is a gift from our savior. Discomfort makes us change, and we must change dramatically in order to fully follow Jesus.
God bless you and your house. May God put his full spiritual armor on you each and every day.
Julie, Right! Today's C&C calls us to our best selves. Time to be respectful, mature, logical, accountable. Drop the personal, childish, name-calling putdowns. There is serious work to do!
1st thing to do is not to believe anything coming from corporate media. They are tools of the deep state and big pharma. 2nd is to let our MAGA leaders know of our opinions, loudly if need be. That's how it works. No one gets a free pass. America 1st and then everyone else.
The second thing is to carefully examine who you follow for news and information. Four years of Biden and his puppet-masters & 3 letter bureaucrat dictators running the show has wrought an army of doom-bloggers whose paydays are predicated on clicks. Not saying blanket trust any of them - Trump, Vivek or Elon - but we are going to have to learn to pick our battles, and fight smarter. If things start returning to some semblance of normal, who is going to follow their outrage machines? Yeah they may call themselves Conservatives, but they want to keep you stirred up.
Polar opposites of Jeff Childers, who has talked me off the mental 'ledge' on many issues these past 3 years.
I’m dismayed by the number of people that still listen to Fox, and some others. People think because we won they are somehow able to be trusted again. Nope. Until the media is dismantled in a way that can be seen by the nekkid eye…..I won’t give them one ounce of my brain. Even some of my conservative, wide awake family and friends will watch Fox News and claim what they say as truth 🙄. It turns my stomach. How easily we forget 😔
And when they had finished everything according to the Law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee, to their own city of Nazareth. Now the Child continued to grow and become strong, being filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him. And His parents would go to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. And when He became twelve years old, they went up there according to the custom of the Feast; and as they were returning, after finishing the days of the Feast, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. But His parents did not know. But supposing Him to be in the caravan, they went a day’s journey, and they began searching for Him among their relatives and acquaintances. When they did not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem searching for Him. And it happened that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions. And all who heard Him were astounded at His understanding and His answers. When they saw Him, they were astonished, and His mother said to Him, “Child, why have You treated us this way? Behold, Your father and I have been anxiously searching for You.” And He said to them, “Why is it that you were searching for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father’s house?” But they did not understand the statement which He had spoken to them. And He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and He continued in subjection to them, and His mother was treasuring all these things in her heart. And Jesus was advancing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.
Funny, I used to always read this as Mary And Joseph headed home in the caravan, and just not tracking where their son was at. Then, I considered that Jesus being the oldest, with possibly 4 or 5 younger siblings, was not missed easily. Mom and dad were very busy.
"Did you not know that I had to be in My Father’s house?” But they did not understand the statement which He had spoken to them. " That has always been puzzling. Had Mary forgotten his was a virgin birth? That he was conceived by God? That she was visited by an Angel?
Maybe it was a continual learning process for her and Joseph as they watched Jesus grow up. Perhaps each day they began to understand more of who He actually was. The incarnation is such a wonder that even with the advantage of hindsight sometimes I cannot quite wrap my head around it.
The H1B visas are such a symbolic summary for so many of our elite’s shortsighted fixes. Musk is arguing for a quick fix rather than mucking through the real work of fixing the education system and training up qualified workers in the US. No, bringing in foreign workers without their understanding of American culture and our way of life is not investing in America. It’s counterintuitive. We see this in so many quick fix programs. The experts tell us that pollution is bad, but we should spray chemicals to shroud the Earth in protective sun reflecting pollution particles because we can’t fix the root of the problem. Let’s start more of these lively discussions before the wealthy and academia push America further into last place, while enriching themselves.
I’m sorry, Elon, we want you to be creating solutions for Americans, not better business growth for wacky space projects. Sure, this might mean a few years of difficulty in fixing the education system and getting American workers trained, but let’s invest in America rather than scrapping the broken locals and replacing with foreign workers. Signed team, Make America Ethical Again or Make America Moral Again (open to suggestions).
SA, I agree that it's two problems with two solutions. One, for current employers, is too urgent to wait to fix American so-called education, if that's even possible anymore. The other is working on fixing American so-called education, for which I still hold out hope, but only if government gets out of the 'education' business, which will be difficult to persuade others about, since in their ignorance they think government schools are normal, whereas historically they are extremely abnormal. School choice laws in states are great starts on showing people that sending your child to a geographically-mandated school with a bureaucratically-mandated curriculum isn't necessary for life to continue. Because of the manufactured 'need' for two incomes (or at least the perception of need), families 'need' 'free' child care, which government schools appear to give them (while actually costing more than private or home education).
Yes, we home educate our kiddo for about $1000-1500 a year, and I know families who do it for less. Thankfully we have the ability to buy pretty much whatever we need/want, for example, a very nice binocular microscope last year for biology labs.
And yes, that means the teaching parent isn't working, thus that income is a "loss." However, money is not our goal. Character and wisdom are. Homeschooling fits well with that.
School choice is a sticky one. Many states have lots of school choices: public, charter, private, homeschool, pod school… The issue is school funding channels. Many R’s don’t realize that keeping gov in schools by allocating funds via a gov agency is allowing government to dictate what will be taught at schools receiving the state funding. The other issue is monitoring of funds to ensure the tax payer $ are used properly. But who is to decide the appropriateness of the education? Vouchers in AZ were allegedly used at a planned parenthood. I see this issue as one that needs more vetting and public discourse. Should we offer better tax breaks for parents who step outside the public schools? Removing that gov layer from the administrative costs and putting more money and less regulation on parents should be our goal. Vouches may be a quick fix with unintended consequences.
As a homeschool parent, I choose to private pay for our activities, but there are many strings attached public funding homeschool charters in our area. We had a taste of that many years ago and the ridiculous hoops we had to jump through were not student first initiatives.
We homeschooled all the way, before such funds were available, so I’m pro-homeschooling and have no dog in the fight, other than on principle. I see those funds as a stepping-stone way of decreasing the power of teacher’s unions, teaching parents that there are other ways to educate one’s child, and hopefully reducing attendance at government schools such that they slowly wither on the vine. No one is forced to apply to receive the funds. The possible future problems haven’t happened yet, and I think we can let “tomorrow worry about itself. Today has enough trouble of its own.” (Matthew 6:34) Students trapped in failing schools need help now, not later.
Agree 1000% re funding for school choice. The homeschool organization in our state has roundly opposed any government funds for homeschooling families because money always, always, ALWAYS --> control.
It honestly doesn't cost that much to homeschool. We spend about $1000-1500/year for our kiddo. If we had more than one child, some of that cost would be spread out over several kids, so the cost per child would not remain at $1000/child. (For example, I spent $400 last year for a good microscope. If we had multiple children, that cost would end up being $100-200/child, over the course of our home education journey. As it is, we will likely use the microscope again in the future, so that helps too.)
Maybe we just need an opt in system. You only pay for government-run schools if you choose to send your kids there. That leaves parents money to educate their children how they want and keeps the government from imposing conditions in order for private schools or homeschoolers to receive funding.
No one would do that right now, and if we did, the entire school system, and therefore employment system (since it's 'free' daycare) would also collapse. There needs to be a slow 'glidepath' showing how other options are possible. I don't even mind so much continuing property taxes for education, if it will result in families having the means to pay for alternatives in the short term that gut government education for the long term. Property taxes mostly come from people who don't have children in the schools currently, spreading the cost out. Florida now grants $8,000 per child in school choice money; no one pays that much per year in school taxes.
Of course no one would do that right now but maybe it’s a model we should should consider moving towards. Like your glide path idea. And as far as the money, it doesn’t take 8000 dollars to give a child a solid education. There is so much waste in the system and so many misplaced priorities.
We never spent remotely that much, but as you or someone else also mentioned, we're not factoring in the cost of the principal/teacher/etc., the mom. It does open up great possibilities for those who don't want that direct role, however, of pooling resources to pay a hired teacher, in a microschool type setting, e.g.
Saw the skinny Santa piece. I'd like to know what exactly is in that now very widely used pharmaceutical! It just had the too good to be true ring to it.
Many weight problems can be addressed with a well formulated diet and lifestyle that emphasizes real, whole foods that are devoid of vegetable oils and sugar/corn syrup and other processed carbs. Exercise helpful but often not required. Addressing chronic stress with good therapy and other habits is also often helpful, as many of us self-medicate our anxiety and depression with food.
A respiratory therapist in the distant family jumped on that bandwagon, "because I have fatty liver disease (at 30)." Took injections for a year, dropped 85 lbs! Stopped taking it (which you can't do, it's a lifetime med).... Now weighs in at a few pounds short of where those injections started... Expensive ride down that hill...
That's awful. And that perhaps got all the adverse effect risk as well.
FWIW, although they likely may not care about your opinion, vegetable oils are very associated with fatty liver. So evicting those entirely and replacing with natural oils like avocado, coconut, butter, tallow would help.
The last Lustig stat I heard was that with every pound of weight lost …you also lost 1/2 lb muscle ! So you are actually way worse than when you started. Bad, bad , bad …
Dr. Hyman has a new podcast on it …I’m so curious to listen to it !
You are right about our inclination to short term fixes vs actual problem solving. Just look at corporate America, much less our school systems. I think we are watching the devolution of a society. The question becomes can we create a better future? With all this lowest common denominator conversation/confrontation fostered by social media, it's not looking promising.imo, we all need to be the change we want to see.
It is about people/individuals making choices according to their own values. "Social media" wouldn't have any influence/power by itself. People have to take the bait.
I agree we need to fix the root of the problem. At the same time there are economy's out there like Germany as an example that are crumbling. There will be a huge amount of highly educated talent that may like to come to America and assimilate, have families and enjoy the American way of life. This is not the old world anymore, I believe we should vet and choose people that add value to America. At the same time we should be compassionate toward true cases of good people that have been abused or persecuted. We can accept them if they are vetted and are willing to become good Americans. The open border needs closed immediately. Elon is correct there is a shortage of engineers and we should fill that gap, unfortunately it will take time to correct our educational system, in the meantime let's take advantage of talent that is available so that America remains creative and competitive.
I like the idea, but the reality is that any temporary government solution is a gateway to permanent problems Americans get saddled with. The covid bailout money is one such example. Just look at the state programs that ballooned and then stayed. Our meager state budget grew 50% and we’re still trying to figure out how to get rid of the frivolous programs.
There is NO doubt the biden/harris voters are just waiting to pounce. All of them, and they will grab any straw they see. This, despite the ongoing “sudden deaths”, turbo cancers, neuro, cardiac and autoimmune disease occurring all over our country. They are also desperately hanging onto their trans, 23 human genders, children identifying as an animal mentality. The question is when will the Biden/harris team be brought to justice?
😔. I had hope that maybe. Just maybe. But I’m losing hope for that. Even with Trump at the helm, with Bidens regime handing out blanket pardons to people not yet even charged with crimes, or prepping to do so on his last day….my hope disappeared. Trump said killary would be in prison if he were in charge, and yet she slithers around spreading her venom to this day. Biden and his regime will go off into the sunset and no crimes will ever be paid for. I hope I’m wrong. But I doubt it.
I know. FJB! doing all this crazy ish is really getting to me. It's soooo disheartening. I guess we should have known his scummy people or he, personally, would throw a huge wrench into unscrewing our country. This would also preclude them starting a civil war or declaring martial law and not letting Trump be sworn in at all.
As a tech worker of 35 years, who has worked with many fine Indian engineers both in India and the US, I do not think we should be hiring from outside the US until we have made sure that our very skilled native engineers are employed. I personally know of too many brilliant American engineers with very strong work ethics, training, experience, and skills who have been out of work for most of this year because they are being passed over by foreign talent. Part of this is because of age discrimination which is the last bastion of legal discrimination in tech. The other part is AI and pure economics. The older engineers are more expensive. It is very painful to watch and I am in the middle of being pushed out of my own tech job for the same reason. (Any labor lawyers out there?) I see both sides and adore my former and current Indian colleagues but there are too many hardworking American engineers sitting on the bench with terrible prospects for future work. Let’s make America great again with our own citizens first! ❤️🇺🇸
Yep, it is painful. When employers have the choice to make, they seem to pick workers who will work for less. A race to the bottom is no good for America and American workers.
I'd like to point out that we wouldn't be in dire need of issuing H1-B visas to recruit scientists and engineers if we had a department of education that actually cared about children...or better yet not having a DOE.
I am of the firm belief the day they stripped tether-ball and outlawed kickball on recess playgrounds was the first day they started a slow stripping of their souls. At first in trickles...and then all at once.
Just like everything else that is de facto controlled by the state. During covid they were exposed as hollow, self-serving individuals (and the "guilds") that put their interest over the very children they are supposed to educate and have ready to adjust to the "real world".
Today's kids don't even have recess. It's simply a time when they are allowed to use their smartphones unsupervised. Yet we wonder why so many children have problems and are on prescribed drugs these days
Phones with internet access should be banned until the user is age 18. Or maybe 21. I am perfectly serious.
And can pay for one’s own phone.
That was our rule, no smart phones unless they wanted to buy their own phone and plan, but then, our kids graduated in '12 and '13 and kids with smartphones were relatively rare then. Our daughter didn't get one until her mid-twenties as she didn't want to pay a phone bill.
I like it.
BRILLIANT
Truth!!
I agree, IMHO it’s as dangerous to a young brain as alcohol, and we regulate that, so.
Perhaps more so. The online world of these kids is so all encompassing that any tethers to a so called social/physical reality are tenuous at best. I was almost run over in a crowded Trader Jie's by a woman with a cart and a cell phone. I called out "heads up" as I literally jumped out of the way. She barely paused to glare at me before she returned to her screen. How do you even begin to converse with this?
I was almost run off the sidewalk in my neighborhood by a woman with her face so much into her phone she didn’t see me coming walking from the other direction. This happened twice, different women. One a teenager and one a grown adult. One time I actually had to step off the sidewalk. How can someone be that oblivious outside?
i witnessed a pickup truck pull directly out onto highway in front of oncoming ambulance (sirens and horns ) last week; gotta be fking ear buds and/or phone i thought...ambulance drivers know the idiocy of American and Newcomer drivers so it didn't t-bone the moron, then at the supermarket i park near 3 cars with NO Tags whatever on them and one with almost a year expired tag,... what the FK? And the Nicaraguan guy buying cigarettes with no ID at the Dumber General..
SCREW YOUR RULES America...we'll do whatever WE WANT. What we're witnessing is arbitrary rewards, punishments, and a soft anarchism or personal choice--a reality-based Libertarianism; societal norms and rules and structure is simply preference and you can either accept it or road rage/sidewalk assassin someone if not.
The law of nature will take over. Survival of the fittest. These are the people that get hit by cars or robbed. Easy, soft targets.
Immediate recognition here as the number of times this has happened to me are frustratingly too numerous.
Next time (I'll try to remember if I get the chance) turn backwards in front of them so they run in to ya. Maybe a lesson learned that will save their life?!
Let them hit you, then sue!
Fool's errand - They don't have any money and won't show up to court anyway. Best to avoid the collision and stand on the horn.
Phones are weaponized. My concern is access to Porn. It ruins lives forever.
Kids under 10 are easily exposed even if your kid does not have a phone, some other kid will show it to others.
I put software on my kids' phones and I could monitor everything. It helped a lot.
That helps, but what did you teach your child? to not go to those sites? to use the tool effectively? or to do an end around you with their friends who have parents who don't give two hoots???
I was on them like white on rice but there are always dangers. Many many conversations with my kids, but kids are curious... They did not have a computer in their room and the phones automatically turned off at a certain time and I could see just about everything including social media. There are even better tools now. I even created profiles on my internet to block times and sites with notifications when a site was blocked. They didn't go to certain places and I did have a conversation with parents, including relatives, to see how they manage games and online. Good thing because a couple years ago the FBI literally broke down a relative's door at 6 am because their 14yo grandson was on pedoporn and they thought it was an adult in the house. To my knowledge nothing happened to the kid, but they confiscated his stuff. The kid will probably struggle with porn and having a normal relationship the rest of his life all because they did not even try to protect him.
The other kid at the same house is a they/them now, is always depressed, and on a bunch of psyche meds. She is 25 now but when she was 15, she was groomed from some popular chat place and what they thought was her 19yo friend, was really a dike child predator.
My kids did not go there without me and I warned the "grandparent" about the dangers. I told them so, now both kids are a mess all from the internet.
It is evil and now with AI, IMHO, you are probably talking to demons.
Sad really, but blaming the "internet" is like blaming a boogey man... it's not the "internet it's the parents...
True 100% ... They were raising grandkids and technologically dumb but they should have done something.
If "they" wanted to block porn and other heinous stuff on the internet they could.
Pedoporn and snuff films are crimes against humanity and children have access to it.
Look what they did to block "misinformation."
They (the evil ones), want to destroy families and people.
Next time you're at your local Walmart or Costco, look around at the young families shopping there.
I'll bet you a month's lease on a Tracfone that you will spot at least one child, age between about 4 and about 10, poking at a smartphone, oblivious to the world around them. Mommy and daddy clearly have no concerns about this.
Or even younger...and screaming bloody murder when Dad takes it away momentarily to text his wife to see if she needs eggs. Recent experience.
I totally agree. If I were young again and had young children I would have no problem being Amish to the extreme. But wait, have the Amish given in to the "smartphone"?
I think the Amish tend to be more wise in the ways they adopt technology overall. They might have "given in" to the smartphones, but only in the sense that they know how to use them as a tool and avoid the more addicting parts. We have a large Mennonite community somewhat close to us. They have modern tech like computers/phones, but it stays in its lane and isn't part of their everyday working life. They can pull it out for selling, responding to people, and such, but they are pretty intentional about it being a tool.
My Mennonite farmer said he noticed a difference in his children who are older and didn't have smart phones and his younger ones who did. The older ones have more focus and drive. On a side note, the farm orders are online as well as other online businesses, hence the phones.
Very good points Peter. They are setting the right example for their children - and for the rest of us.
I can call or send an email to my Amish roofing contractor but he doesn't text, which is my preferred method of communication. The do's and don'ts of their phone use are kinda quirky.
Recommend Bobby Kennedy’s interview of John Kempf on Spotify. Yes he uses a phone for work. But has 4M Acres under his ROA methodology and a batting average of 1.0 is solving plant disease problems. Maybe it’s because he has VALUES.
Yep. They have 'em.
Absolutely.
But then who monitors that? Like Australia where you must be a certain age… that’s a tricky way of making everyone have a digital ID bc everyone must now prove they are of age to be on social media. Anytime you say ‘there should be a law against…’ think about the consequences
Absolutely! We were NOT generally pleased with this law here in Oz. They allowed 24hrs for public comment, which was not advertised in any way, but still received over 15,000 comments in that time period, nearly all against the law.
Parents need to take responsibility for their children. Mine were not allowed any phone until they could pay for it themselves. We took lots of flak because “everyone else has one “, but it not only encouraged responsibility, it has also encouraged good work ethic as well.
Agreed.
Nancy, so glad my granddaughter attends a Waldorf School. Zero screens and highly discouraged at home. Working farm, large vegetable garden, cooking every day...it's lovely.
Leonard Max's book, The Collapse of Parenting, is a fantastic book that gives parents the courage to be the authoritative, loving parent that will put limits on all the toxic social media, video games and internet access. It's critical to their mental health and social development.
Thanks for the book recommendation!
Agree! It’s insane! I was just speaking to a friend whose 7th grade son is the only seventh grader without a phone!
Although this sounds "good" unfortunately it is not.. The way to handle this is with parental guidance, yes be a parent, you can do so much as a parent to teach your children what is useful and what is bad about the access. Sadly you could try and do this like alcohol and guns and all the rest, but what are the kids going to do when they turn 18??? just like booze, when they turn 21 the go out and do stupid s**t... Why? Because parents didn't teach them control. Sadly you you are asking for the gov to do something which is against what we are all about... gov needs to be out of it and parents need to be in charge. period... laws are the lazy way out...
Sunbeamwireless.com is a kosher phone that texts, takes dictation, pics BUT does not go on the internet! They work well.
Not as inexpensive as I would've thought. But glad to know we can get a dumbphone if desired.
Open internet access for minors is neglect at best. We installed software on our kids phones when they got them at 14 so access was controlled no matter what network was accessed. But sadly, other kid’s parents are stupid so garbage leaks out from everywhere.
I totally agree, especially since the intentionally increased blue light is SO addictive and damaging to growing eyes and brains.
And for those who are unaware, the mob that started Las Vegas, WAY BACK WHEN, discovered that if they increase the blue light in the gaming machines, people would play more and longer because the mobsters discovered how addictive the blue light was. Now, every screen, TV, computer, phone, is constructed to increase the blue light!!!!
Here's some info:
BlockBlueLight.com
https://rumble.com/v5igm1h-exiled-brain-surgeon-darpa-mind-control-quantum-biology-and-sunlight-medici.html
This site is recommended by Dr. Mercola as one of the best computer screen software to block out the blue light. The basic program is free but there's also an upgrade for a one time fee, I believe.
https://iristech.co/
But, be prepared. There are PLENTY of sites and articles claiming the blue light thing is nothing but a "conspiracy theory."
That would help, but the problems started prior to Gen Z.
I agree
I couldn’t agree more. We grew up hearing “Go outside and play”
All 7 of us kids grew up tough and clever. We were not rich, there were days we didn’t know where of next meal was coming from. We didn’t just survive, we thrived. Was it easy? No. So what?
We were only allowed inside if it was raining outside or we were sick.
My single mom (divorced from an abusive alcoholic marriage) told me to go play on the freeway or dig to China 😉😂 (with a kitchen spoon of course)!
At 61, I can understand how exhausted she was from working. I stayed outside all day by choice and loved it!
She was a loving, tough, mom!
Kids were creative in the 60’s, and 70’s! 🙌
Or we’d find friends who’s moms worked and then we could stay inside. 🤣
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The Baby Boom generation grew up in a time of American Exceptionalism and just the right amount of technological advances (ex: TV but, no computers). We had to rely on our God given capabilities to get ahead. The American Dream was real and could be achieved with hard work and perseverance.
And then we spoiled our children with consumerism. We put them in daycare, scheduled their free time with adult managed after school activities, helped them get into college, gave them phones and video games, cereal, juice, packaged snacks.... the list goes on.
Oh I wouldn't leave my kids with anyone. Either their dad or I was at home, or I took the whole crew with me.
Amen on that!
TV is a gateway drug!
Remember when our mom took us to the neighbors house so we could get exposed to chicken pox, mumps and measles? We had to play outside or be assigned an afternoon of chores. We had to come home when the streetlights came on or when my dad did his
“ I mean NOW!!! “ whistle??? I believe that a pager/beeper type device could be helpful for child safety in today’s world but nothing more advanced.
Perfect description of my life as a kid. Drink from hose, minimal snacks and then it was typically fruit. We were healthy, strong, street smart. Ate dinner at the table all together. It was a special treat to use tv tables and eat while watching Wizard of Oz once a year. All 6 of us had chicken pox at one time. My mom was a Superhero.
This is what my kids hear too 😁
And my grandkids!
Easy is never a good teacher. Striving for what you want, and the sense of accomplishment that comes with achieving it, is.
Exactly!
That's what my kids heard. They had a huge tree to climb and a trampoline and when we could afford it, an above ground plastic pool in the summer.... there were 8 of them and they shared clothes too.
With a 1 in 36 ACKNOWLEDGED autism rate, with untold others having intellectual, emotional, or other types of brain damage, how can we expect to compete (or even survive) as a nation? This is in addition to the physical maladies that are everywhere. How many of us have trouble putting in a full work day due to chronic illness(es)? I continue to pray this new administration can get to the causes of much of this as it is weakening us as a nation and costing us unknown quantities of money, time, goodwill, etc.
THIS is a huge issue! I ran into an acquaintance yesterday who casually mentioned that three of her four biological children have some sort of disability or are on the spectrum, plus her one year old foster child as well! She talked about the government assistance she gets for their various treatments (she’s totally not a welfare mom, rather, a suburban homeschooling homemaker) and I wanted to say: but what if they could just be WHOLE and healthy instead? No government aid needed.
Her husband is in the medical field and I know they are pretty medically mainstream😔 I don’t know her well enough yet to have planted some seeds…I hope that day comes.
I commented on an autism FB Reel normalizing autistic children and how wonderful they were. I merely asked the question - where were all the autistic kids in the 60’s and 70’s? What a hornets nest I stirred up! They think they were always there but undiagnosed. No idea their bloated vaccine schedule has anything to do with it. 😵💫 Complete denial just like the Covid shots.
I would have been snarkier… where were all the ‘wonderful’ autistic kids in the 60’s and 70’s….
Was it Jeff who pointed out that Zimmerman, the guy who initially debunked the autism-vax link but secretly admitted it, and later did a 180 publcally. Yet his initial statements continue to be used against the association.
And there is still a debate over the issue of whether childhood vaccines cause autism and other things, like SIDS. I think it's clear by now.
It Should be clear, but my kids say,”I trust my doctors” and continue to jab
Ugh! Sounds like my sister's 4 kids...they're all in their 40's now and not one of them seems to have an independently thinking brain in their bodies! They all lined up like sheep to the jab slaughter....and crazy old Aunt Susan in Kalifornistan (yours truly) is a lunatic because she said the "vaccine" was a death shot, experimental gene therapy, and that this whole thing was a Plandemic...🙄🙄🙄 I despair of them navigating the next fake emergency. 💔
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💔 They should trust their doctor parent instead!
The damage has been done. Unless she’s planning to have a fifth biological child, what seeds can you plant?
Perhaps dietary changes, probably, and perhaps jab detox??? I wonder if there are any protocols for kids?
Lots of seeds to plant and water! I am a recovered vaccine injured (tetanus shot at 19 years that led to 13 years of vaccine injury misdiagnosed as “Crohns Colitis”; I bled from my gut for 13 years!) - there are detoxes, there are protocols, there are diet changes, and so much more. I believe a large range of autism is curable. We are fearfully and wonderfully made and praise God, he has designed us to heal! Our bodies are a miracle and a gift from God.
Wicked people cover up the true cause of autism partly because they would be criminally responsible but also because if people knew it was curable, they would seek the cure. But instead they’re told to accept and celebrate a horrific injury that could be healed in many cases and avoided in many cases more.
The VA keeps pestering me to get an updated tetanus shot. I told the nurse that there were only 28 cases of tetanus reported to the CDC in 2022. So if I divide 28 cases by 330 million people in the US, my chances are .00000008 of one percent.
Reading your comment about your vaccine injury scared the crap out of me.
Read up more if needed... tetanus is only a threat if you step on a rusty nail that has been sitting IN ANIMAL FECES. a broken piece of glass in your kitchen? No tetanus. A nail when remodeling? No tetanus. Etc. Good luck and keep strong! and thanks for your service.
The VA also keeps pushing the shingles vaccine on me. And, I keep telling them that the shot has a FDA black box warning on it for developing Guillain-Barre Syndrome. A blank look by the nurse is usually the result...so, they either do not know about the warning, or they do not know what a black box warning is.
My sister developed GB in the late 90's after a flu vax. She was paralyzed from the waist down for over 3 months and to this day, has ongoing problems stemming from GB. She can barely walk because she hasalmost no feeling in her feet. I had my second pneumonia vax in Sept. of 2019 and after that, developed severe hearing loss--also permanent. This family says NO to all vaxes.
I had problems from the over-65 pneumonia shot. Vision problems for 18 months and balance problems. The balance problems are still there and have lessened.
For folks reading the comments, here is the link for the FDA black box warning for the shingles vaccine. Your doctor won't tell you.
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/fda-requires-warning-about-guillain-barre-syndrome-gbs-be-included-prescribing-information-shingrix
My sister developed GB in the late 90's after a flu vax. She was paralyzed from the waist down for over 3 months and to this day, has ongoing problems stemming from GB. She can barely walk because she hasalmost no feeling in her feet. I had my second pneumonia vax in Sept. of 2019 and after that, developed severe hearing loss--also permanent. This family says NO to all vaxes.
Tetanus research reveals a deep pit of lies told to us. Check into the studies done on traumatically wounded WWI soldiers, some who died with apparent tetanus symptoms but no positive tetanus tests and some who tested positive for tetanus and had zero symptoms/recovered without issue.
Tetanus is anaerobic - it cannot survive in the presence of oxygen. If your wound bleeds, the oxygen in your blood is cleansing it 👏 (fearfully and wonderfully made!). I tell my kids to squeeze the blood out of small cuts and punctures to help flush any bacteria including tetanus out (if that were even a problem; other bacteria/microbes much more likely). Additionally, if you’re cut by a rusty piece of metal, guess what - rust is oxidization - a result of exposure to oxygen, meaning it also will not have tetanus on it.
But also, we have exposure to animal feces in our backyards all the time - rabbits, squirrels, rodents, not to mention domestic pets. (My kids are barefoot all the time at home.) We don’t need to live in fear of tetanus. We just don’t need to live in fear. Period.
No. More. Fear.
My 2024 motto is “in nothing terrified” - from Philippians 1:27-30!
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A few years ago I did read about a study that showed dietary changes did help with autism. Change to organic foods.
Back before social media, there were 'bulletin boards' on the internet where you could chat and exchange information. I was on several in the early 2000's around learning deficiencies as my son struggled to learn to read, and school was pressuring us to medicate him for ADD, which we fought for several years. Believe he is dyslexic although did have him tested and the results were that he was not. The bulletin boards over time became overcome with a lot of parents with kids with autism, and there was a lot of discussion around ADD, Sensory issues and autism being tied to gut issues. We tried all kinds of dietary interventions - which was tough, as one, he was/is a very picky eater, two, he went to friend's houses and cheated. After a couple of years of non stop food battles, we gave up as nothing really changed for him, although there were a moms on there who claimed dietary changes helped. Hard core limited screen time (for both kids) and
made them 'go outside and play'. Tried meds a couple of years but he didn't like them, said he didn't feel like himself. Worked at home with him a lot on reading, and helped him with coping strategies - like having checklists, routines, using a planner to write everything down so he wouldn't forget. He's still ADD and not a great reader, but managed to graduate HS and college and has a good job as a production manager for a mfg plant, and has a super organized wife. I worked PT til they were in HS and it was all consuming trying everything but realize not all families have that option. They did get the childhood shots, as I was not awake, although there was a lot of chatter on the bulletin boards about mercury/thimerosal being a cause, but the schedule was a fraction of what it is now. Sorry I did not pay more attention, and have told both kids that.
Dietary changes can be very profitable but if the heavy metals or other toxins that caused the damage are still present they will continue to cause problems.
My vaccine injury symptoms did not clear up till I did a heavy metal detox (bentonite clay in my case but there are a variety available) and almost immediately I began to actually make strides forward in healing.
Even after the fact, I know I’m a slow detoxer so even though I eat healthy/live clean, every couple years I need to boost my detoxing again to clean out the sludge from living in our food and environmental pollution.
The schools also get compensated for every "disabled" child that's diagnosed.
This is a dark incentive that perpetuates the bondage.
Exactly.
I have been shocked how many kids I see with all kinds of physical issues, illnesses and chronic conditions everywhere 😕 I don’t remember it being that way when I was a kid.
RFKjr said during his Madison Square Garden speech before the election, that 77% of US boys have a chronic health condition that would preclude them from serving in the military. I explained it to my sons this way: “if you are in your co-op class with 10 boys, roughly two of you will need to protect all ten of you. Plus any women or children or property.”
It is a shocking and disturbing reality.
And it will be my sons/conservative boys because they’re unvaxxed and healthy and honorable.
I am not sure that this is the best place to put this in this thread...I have run across a couple changing tables in public bathrooms that will accommodate full size adult bodies. This indicates to me that the need has increased to a significant degree.
I think that 77% includes those who can’t qualify because they’re overweight.
How much of the obesity is from food poisoning chemicals? I get sick when I think about it too much.
I think a TON of obesity is from food chemicals! It makes me angry! I have a lot of nieces and nephews (20). All of them are clean eating except one family (who still home cooks but just eats a more mainstream diet) and that family has overweight kids. What an unnecessary burden for kids, not just for their bodies but socially as well!
I used to think it was honorable to serve. God protect them. Whose wars do we fight anyway? Not our ours... Bankers? World controllers? Good causes? Illusions?
Name a war that was fought for our freedom besides Revolutionary and that is debated. I must be stupid because I can't.
Are we still beholden to the crown? Our court system is at the very least.
I'd rather my son be fat than join the military who notoriously experiments on their soldiers, mind control, use them as cannon fodder and spray them like weeds and then let them suffer the aftermath with little or no support.
We were recently concerned there would forced enlistment.
It is pretty depressing but I am still thankful.
Sounds like the military will need to relax its standards to keep recruitment numbers up.
Or they will need to heal recruits first.
1) clean chemical free food
2) no toxic vaccines or mandatory medical treatments
3) physical exercise and mental/emotional strength building (which often will be a natural outworking of the above, but some recruits will still need extra work)
I hope they don’t relax standards. That just shrugs the damage off and creates a sub par fighting force. Fix the problems that are injuring our children, don’t make another “safe space” for the injury that needs to be healed and the injurers that need to be held accountable.
They wanted to weaken us. We are animals for them to exploit.
Yes. To many of them we are. It is our greatest rebellion and strength to know that we are created in the image of the Maker of the Universe and we have value above all other created things. It is essential to know our own worth - possessing souls that God has assigned infinite, eternal value - to ground us and give us a foundation from which to fight an ages old attempt at dehumanization.
just add more women recruits after dropping the entry requirement standards.
I am on vacation with my husband's extended family now.
My SIL has a grand baby that is 3 and barely talks. I know for a fact she got a jab during pregnancy. He appears to be slow with minimal motor skills as well IMO. My son at 3 could dribble a basket ball and this kid can't catch a rolling ball between his legs or roll it back.
AND I heard them talking last night that a close friend suddenly died at 52 in his sleep the day after Christmas. They were saying it was probably a blood clot and the coroner does not want to do and autopsy.
Sound familiar?
It’s very sad and also infuriating 😕
A lot of that going around… 🤦🏽♀️😢🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Largely just the US.
Countries that don’t vax have almost zero food allergy issues. RFK Jr has talked about this.
Especially the food allergies. I don't remember anyone in my school with food allergies. Around 2005 or so our kids' school started banning bringing home made food for class parties and such, everything had to be packaged with an ingredient list to accommodate food allergies.
Yes same here. The only allergies I remember a couple of kids having were to bee stings and seasonal allergies like hay fever. But even that was pretty rare and food allergies were pretty much unheard of. Now so many kids are allergic to or have sensitivities to all kinds of things 😕
Curious if this is world wide or just US? Something the MAHA team should be looking into!
I have been seeing more examples in my European friends of late also. It’s not as widespread and is reaching them more slowly but I think it’s becoming more and more pervasive there too. Maybe they’ll be able to head these issues off before they get as bad as they are here.
My son is "on the spectrum", because he wasn't breathing when he was born. So his education was geared towards "autism" and not him, no matter how I advocated for him. I had a friend who took her adopted son to 5 different doctors before she found one to give him the "autism" diagnosis. And my husband's sister-in-law is seeking that diagnosis for her daughter, whom she homeschooled and pretty much isolated from other people. (I'm not sure what my brother-in-law thinks about this). Yes, there's better diagnosis, but there's also more teachers and doctors looking for the "box" for kids, and parents looking for excuses for behavior issues.
Yes, I remember when mine were in school there was a dx called ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder) - I never bought it - kids were brats as their parents were too lazy to parent and would rather chalk up mis-behavior to a dx vs actual parenting. No kid likes being told 'no' - easier at first to just give in, until you have created a monster.
I can only try to appreciate how difficult that must be. I am glad you aren't accepting the prescribed limitations that the system places on ASD individuals. keep the faith and keep researching alternatives. God bless you and your son!
Thank you!
Amen!
I'm sure you know this, each state should manage their public education, not DC unelected bureaucrats.
Yes.....and more.
Decentralize bureaucracy. Divest Executive Orders. Move all Federal cases out of D.C.. Paper ballots in person, at physical location, counted by real people, with an arbiter in each precinct to resolve any conflicts. And no pussy's allowed
The State says this is all necessary...NOT.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of Tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.
You can vote it in...but you'll have to shoot your way out of it.
Correct! And our time is running out.
Or perhaps put it in entirely in the hands of the parents?
Sure. However, we have a lot of parents who apparently can't be bothered to feed their kids so why would they lift a finger to educate them? I get so outraged when I hear about local kids who only get meals at school.
I also find that outrageous. I grew up in Germany in the 90ies, our schools didn't serve any food. But we also didn't have the levels of poverty I hear about in the USA, food wasn't a problem. Those kids with crappy parents are pretty much screwed anyways, I don't see a good reason then to make all the kids with decent parents suffer as well.
I've been teaching elementary school for 21 years and it is worse than you think. The devices are ruining the children's ability to track left to right when reading (the eyes don't dart around naturally as they do on a screen), there is no memorization, children spend time on devices and aren't learning to write and spell (but they will be Apple and Microsoftcustomers) , they are fed ultra processed food by the school and parents, children don't play outside unsupervised anymore (many of my 3rd graders don't know what bark is on tree), and the list goes on. We do our best to mitigate these obstacles but it is very overwhelming. Behavioral problems are off the charts as is the volume of illnesses. Most media (and many readers) blame the teachers but they don't realize or even research the curriculum the systems purchase that we are required to use. County officials visit the classrooms making sure everyone is teaching the same thing or of the same book irrespective of the needs of the students. It's a monopoly beyond repair. The fact that anyone in a leadership role would support the rediculous visas in lieu of holding the monopoly from k-12 and the university systems accountable in our own country says everything you need to know. There are tens if thousands of STEM graduates from US private and public universities every year. Even more disgusting is the fact that programming should be taught in high school without a need for a degree. It's about cheap labor from abroad mixed in with USA's low standards.
We need the visas for now AND we need to save our country's children. I know people here on these immigration visas and they are really good people, many of whom would vote conservative if they could vote. People smart and successful with good morals who want to live in a free country without the bribes common in their country of origin and they are our allies. They shouldn't be made to be in the cross hairs.
But what you say about the children, my heart breaks for them. I'm raising my children differently than the norm in a good way and I am dismayed to see my children's classmates (even in private school) be just as you describe.
yeah, it has to be both. Fixing education is a decades-long process, during which we can't just let our technology sector lie fallow, that's a non-starter in a global economy. DOGE (read: Elon and Vivek) have repeatedly mentioned the Department of Ed as chief target in the crosshairs, because they do, actually, contrary to half of MAGA's belief, understand the need to train Americans.
But that doesn't change the timeline being 20 years, when the next generation finally enters the workforce. In the meantime, either those positions are left unfulfilled, or we find strong foreign workers and weld them into the burgeoning American juggernaut like we always have done.
Just wanted to add that the private school children don't have the curriculum problems, but they do have the problem of too much technology at home making them distracted and uninterested in reading.
Jennifer, great comment. I support abolishing the federal involvement in public education, abolishing the Dept. of Education. We are seeing and experiencing the end result of intentional dilution of real education. It has almost reached a point of no return. Drastic measures must be taken.
Great comment, Jennifer, thanks for sharing your experience. We need to hear from all sorts of people with granular information like this, now that we're allowed to talk about this subject openly.
Overseas workers do work for less $$$$.
Overseas workers often work harder and with less complaint. The first thing that they are taught is to work hard to achieve what they want. Western children are often taught more about their “rights” and won’t go “over and above” in the same way. Obviously, not all, and many times it’s parent-dependent, but as a general rule they don’t work as hard.
Brilliant comment. Kudos!
This reminded me of a new teacher coming to our school and reporting the principal of her prior school stated, "I want to hear the start of a sentence in one classroom and walk to the next classroom to hear the end of the sentence." Re: "County officials visit the classrooms making sure everyone is teaching the same thing or of the same book irrespective of the needs of the students."
IMHO, the reason so many kids are on prescriptions and have problems, is because the parents are too busy with their own problems to be bothered to be parents. It's easier to drug children up than deal with them being noisy, or running in the house, or needing their attention. Who wants to be bothered when you're tired and frustrated from working all day with a bunch of jerks, in pointless meetings, and then be expected to do an entire days work in the remaining 3 hours of your day? All on top of everything costing WAY too much and everyone still needs to be fed.
The difference between letting emotions dictate your life and actually THINKING, is self control and emotional maturity. Nobody wants to learn self control because it requires discipline and patience.
Let's throw in a touch of awareness or even conscious. But I dream...
Pat, it is going to take more than "a touch" of awareness...
SM, Yes! Which was the main point of Jeff's C&C today. Grow up. Learn self control. Quit polarizing/demonizing people who disagree with you...for the sake of our nation! "Divided we fall."
I think there were a lot of people who listened to the "experts" for drugs. The experts introduced "being bored" as "having a problem to be treated" and inexperienced parents bought into that. I think that tide has been shifting back. More parents realize that "being a boy" <> "needing ritalin" these days and they're seeing more value in getting kids up and active instead of chained to a desk all day. It's a slow shift, but it's happening.
Yes. Good point.
Being "bored" is essential to a healthy human because it is a time for self reflection and examination.
If life goes unexamined you will never truly know who you are...or be able to intentionally improve as a human being.
In boredom you can find purpose
Daydreaming is very productive. Always came up with my best ideas.
Some of my best ideas, SOMETIMES, would come while I was busy doing something else.
Bandit - hopefully not daydreaming while you were operating dangerous machinery...
Not while I was daydreaming at all. Not always, but SOMETIMES, while I was doing paperwork. Concentrating on what I was reviewing, a solution to a problem having nothing to do with the data or an entirely random inspiration for something totally different from my job would pop into my head. Sometimes I would write it down, sometimes it would just stick. I'm never going to argue with myself about how a good idea came about, I'll just roll with it.
Me too. Occupy the Left Brain so the more wholistic Right Brain can be listened to.
There is a significant difference between being "bored" and being still. I have tried to just be still more in recent years. The pause that refreshes. Psalm 46:10a "Be still and know that I am God..."
Maybe a reflection of less generational support too. Grandparents living long distances away and families not as close.
My s-i-l had to fend off teachers who wanted to drug her very bright son in elem school. She, herself an elem teacher, suggested he be given more difficult, aka challenging, (not more busy work) assignments to keep him engaged. This meant more work for the teachers which was not welcomed.
Tracking kids by ability groups was the way this was accomplished back in my day. There were advanced kids, average kids, and slow-learning kids. Each group was taught at their skill level and this made life for the teacher easier and it made life for the kids better.
Agree !!! It’s a 💯 parenting problem, not school, not government. Parents !!!
Parenting against culture is WORK - it’s like swimming upstream 24-7! Not to mention if both parents are working and there is still a full-time job waiting at home …😬
It’s much harder to say no, and stick to it.
So so true ! And perfectly explains why I have a hairy Aussie inside my house 🤦♀️
But snap chat …now that’s a hard NO. lol
Win some -you loose some 😂
One of the reasons I don't have kids. The begging gets on my last nerve.
Could it be that many parents have succumbed to the convenience of "smart devices" & hence all the screen time for kids? Agree, it is work to go against current trends & culture. Being "old fashioned" is not acceptable. I think I would be very happy to live in an Amish community.
I came here to say just this, but you’ve said it better. Isn’t the H1-B visa debate an opportunity to discuss our pathetic schools? Why attack the messenger when the message is quite obvious?
Ask the Department of Ejukashion
😂Love the spelling 😂
Children education went further down when Bill Gates got involved with common core. He was trying to shape the minds like the Rockefellers did: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/origins-of-modern-education
Yep, Gates' math curriculum was a dandy! Perhaps that's part of why college kids are struggling with STEM courses?
Today's government educational system is in name only - it's actually a day prison. Children check in through metal detectors, deposit their belongings in a locked up box, go their rooms where they have no option to think but just be told what to think, eat the worst food imaginable at lunch (if they don't get to bring their own lunch), and then collect their belongings and head out the doors. Day prison. Many have bars on their windows and chain link fences. So tragic.
Jenn - wow, that's some analogy, and is sadly correct.
And! It's yet another way to attack children by making them feel imprisoned. I drive by a very, very large secondary school every day and many, if not most, walk or trudge their way home. Rarely do I see a student upbeat or even lighthearted. They just look withdrawn or depressed. 😔
Dispirited.
More accurate word, for sure!
It is unimaginable how they got to this place.
Do any kids still bring their own lunches to school?
They do at our kids' school - no lunchroom so everyone brings their lunch!
Thanks, I was just wondering.
Kids don’t need to be in the socialized school system at all. They need true education which starts at home (building character, work ethic and identity) and gradually moves outward with age - during some of our most productive periods in history, children didn’t receive formal (I mean in class room) education till college around 15/16 years old.
Other kids were tutored or eventually, attended one room school houses in the mornings, if they could, if it wasn’t harvest time.
Agree. Our current model of “education” is much less effective with regard to results than past models.
I think you should add dodgeball to the list of stripped sports that should be reinstated. That sport is the ultimate in character building. If you can survive dodgeball at recess, you stand a good chance at thriving during adulthood.
At a Silicon event titled 'Reboot 24' hosted by the organization Foundation for American Innovation, I, as a plebian, listened to leaders in Silicon Valley, including Fukuyama. Anyone who is in CA should attend if they hold it next year. For a few bucks, you get to rub shoulders with the Titans, plus they host a fabulous spread, including juice shots. (https://www.thefai.org/about-us) What was alarming was a discussion of the visas. One big wig noted the problem of failing schools in San Fran. While he saw it as a problem, the solution was to 'brain drain' the rest of the world. I was dismayed, to say the least.
There are two problems. First and foremost, we have the natural resources here. Unless someone truly believes in Eugenics, even our poorest children, properly educated and motivated, should be able to succeed. In fact, when parts of Silicon Valley moved to the LA beach area, I wrote Maxine Waters asking for her to reach out to her 'buddies' to start a school in her district—it seemed an easy win-win. I was so naive.
The second problem is that our universities are so full of wokeism that now is in STEM that graduates will be encouraged to take top jobs while shunning the 'natives.' I've encountered such individuals. They make you ashamed about being an American, bringing up all our past sins. While the concept of sins is a good one, without redemption, it is only a weapon.
How can they function without "experts".....?
People want to medicate their (undisciplined, spoiled, egotistical and entitled) children to make them more manageable because pills are the easiest way to parent. I’ve seen it in people who are in their 50s with younger children and I’ve seen it in people in their 30s even more so.
Spoiled, egotistical and entitled behaviors are all learned. When I acted that way as a kid, I was "corrected", not allowed to continue, or God Forbid, indulged. As a parent, you nip that in the bud - you don't let kids walk all over you and run the house.
I have a friend whom I've known since I was 3 years old - he was raised in a "permissive" household, back when that was a new thing they were trying out. He was allowed to sass his folks in a way that would have earned me a slap in the chops at my house - I couldn't believe it. He was kind of a wild kid; when his mom asked him to stay at home, he'd take off across town on his skateboard. Since his parents never held him accountable, he had trouble understanding how to hold himself accountable, and that manifested as an inability to take any true responsibility for his actions. He also seemed to lack emotional intelligence - he seemed unable to "read the room" and this put him in some dangerous situations at times.
He was over-indulged, and then as an adult, he became over-indulgent. He became addicted to coke in his 20s and stole things to support his habit. He ended up in AA (a good thing) and has remained sober for many years. I'd like to say that he's matured, but there are still some quirks left over from his childhood. He still can't read the room - when we exchange emails, he often puts meanings into my words that I never intended, and gets inexplicably offended by what I think is very clear communication that lacks any provocative undertones. And he still lacks accountability - I met him on a motorcycle camping trip a couple of years back in a national park, where he slimily avoided paying his share of the camping fee (I paid my share, and found it disturbing and embarrassing that he weaseled his way out of paying his own fee).
Oh yeah, he's also politically illiterate, but that doesn't prevent him from holding strong opinions. I had to block him toward the end of the recent election cycle, as I couldn't bear to argue with him anymore online - it was like trying to explain calculus to a baby, except the baby already possessed an alternate mathematical theory, based on wishful thinking.
I often resented my own parents for being stricter with me, particularly in comparison with my friend's parenting. Although some of my dad's corporal punishment tactics left me scarred emotionally, I'm actually grateful today that I had firm, if not somewhat hypocritical boundaries in my house. I ended up growing up with some character, self-control and a conscience that escaped some of my friends. Some of them are dead, some are in sobriety programs. I turned out okay, I think.
My wife thinks so, too.
You could be writing about my nephew. As a 6 yr old he took a hunting knife to their upholstered couch. He was one angry child screaming for boundaries to show him someone cared. None came. It was too much trouble. Have not seen him in over a decade. His parents do not speak of him.
Well, I imagine my friend to have a LITTLE more decorum than THAT.. But your point is well taken.
Instilling character has two sides: the corrective and the example. Being a living example to kids isn't just about showing them how to act, but also showing them reasons why it's beneficial to act that way - beneficial to oneself AND to others. I think if a parent is really good at that, there's very little need for the corrective side.
Yes, boundaries do indicate caring. I'm not really sure what the theory behind "permissive" parenting was - but one important boundary is that between parent and child. You just CAN'T be your kid's "cool buddy" - maybe when they're older, but not when they're in their developmental stages. I interpret the couch-slashing kid as one screaming "I need a parent, not an aloof friend".
Doug, I'm very sorry you had to endure your dad's corporal punishment. No child should ever have to endure an emotionally demeaning "slap in the chops." From your comments, you seem to have healed the emotional scars and matured far past the crude hypocrisy. Far more than "okay."
When I was in college one of my summer jobs was working at city “day camp” (summer child care). One five year old boy was quite hard to manage, although if I gave him my full attention and was firm and clear with him, he responded well and respected my directions. Unfortunately I was the camp director, so not with the kids all day, and his behavior with the counselors (who were kids themselves) was pretty impossible. Eventually his parents were told he’d have to leave if something didn’t change. Both his parents worked and his mom was so frazzled when she picked him up every day he’d run right over her too.
Five years old.
She went out and got him put on ADHD meds that day.
The rest of camp he was shell. A blank, hollow child who couldn’t engage with the rest of camp so brought legos along to sit and play by himself.
It was so sad.
Having had five boys myself now, i can see more than ever that boy needed his parents to parent. He needed to be with his mom, not at camp. He needed boundaries and to be protected by loving structure.
No job is worth losing your kid’s precious personality to drugs, at five years old.
I agree, everything has been dumbed down and the focus has been taken away from teaching actual skills that have value.
Until I quit teaching in 2020, my students had recess and we played dodge ball! I bought expensive soft gator dodge balls and it didn't even hurt (much) if you got hit in the head.
Kids need to run and have fun and they learn better when they do.
I am not a fan of STEM because it only covers the science they think we should teach. The scientific method isn't even used these days. Think masks and jabs...
All the more reason to teach the scientific method so they know when they are being duped.
They banned tag at my son's elementary school. Because it was "too rough."
For those who haven’t yet read the uplifting sequel to my mom’s medical mystery saga, I wanted to make sure you saw the special shoutout I gave to the C&C Army for your prayers solicited by TriTorch. What followed was a seemingly miraculous series of synchronicities that may just have saved her life:
“This truly felt like a Christmas miracle, and perhaps it was, thanks in part to hundreds if not thousands of people around the world having joined in prayer to support my mom, with special gratitude to TriTorch for the following poignant prayer request at the Coffee & COVID (C&C) community.”
• “A Christmas Miracle: My Mom’s Medical Mystery Adventure” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/a-christmas-miracle-my-moms-medical)
Heartfelt thanks also go to Pierre Kory for catching my mom’s misdiagnosis, saving her from a potentially injurious (or worse) course of cipro, and Mike Yeadon for weighing in with his compassionate expertise.
Pierre Kory’s courage, perseverance, & determination in the face of a compromised medical establishment is exemplary. He gave up so much to stand on his medical convictions & assist people. His mind assimilated & retained EVERYTHING he learned in Medical school, internship, fellowship, and practice & used it to challenge the govt sanctioned narrative. It has been a privilege to follow & support Pierre for over 4 years thru his work c Dr Marek at EVMS, FLCCC, & now in his practice. May God bless Margaret Alice, Dr. Kory, & all of those who sacrificed during this dark period of medicine.
Substack has truly become a community!
Dr Kory is a medical hero!
Yes, there is a lot of insightful diagnostic info in your recent stack that many can relate to.
I was horrified at the serious side affects of Cipro as I had taken it many years ago for a UTI that the Urologist could not clear up off and on for 2 1/2 years,and I had an extremely bad reaction to it, causing me to purchase a Physician’s Desk Reference book on the current drugs produced and prescribed. A lot of which was over my head, but I could read the side affects and what to look for. Most of my physicians did even have one! I was shocked at what I had put in my body and no one mentioning what it could have done to my body with all my autoimmune issues. Thank goodness for our C&C family and their love, sharing and willingness and ability to help us when we don’t know. Thank you and I love you all!
My wife takes it upon herself to warn everyone she knows to never ever ever ever ever ever go to a doctor who wants to prescribe Cipro. Her ligaments are Cipro-injured.
So sorry to hear of your wife’s injuries. Such a crime!
2 years before we were introduced to Coffee and Covid we have gone only to our neighbor who’s our primary care physician who knows where we stand on RXs. We use a chiropractor who also uses natural supplements, acupuncture, etc and we take nothing prescribed other than my husband’s diabetic meds. But we researched all those and ask for the less damaging ones. And all those are the lowest dosage. I’ll be praying for your wife.
I know someone who eliminated all sugar and all carbohydrates from the diet, and was then able to eliminate all medications.
*Decades of Diabetes was cured.!
Not all carbs, but just in the form of low carb veggies. Down to my last 1/2 of a BP pill from max triple therapy. A1c and insulin levels are normal. Spouse's migraines (the reason for the trial that has now become a lifestyle) now exceedingly rare. Keto works!
It's sad to me to see the legions of folks taking Ozempic when all they'd have to do to lose weight, feel better and live longer, healthier lives is eliminate sugar and most carbs. Not as hard as you'd think, but it does take a commitment to get through the first few weeks.
While I am well aware that it causes some horrible side effects, that terrible drug saved my brother in law's life! He's now been on it for seven years! Both times doctors took him off of it, he had life threatening infections pop up! While it is a terrible drug for many, it's a life saver for him. No other antibiotic responded to his infection. He's had a Whipple procedure and any infection can be deadly. His doctors still try to talk him out of continuing to take it when he sees a new one, but he's beyond any convincing. So, we pray for his continued ability to take it.
It's true. The benefits sometimes outweigh the risks (mainly tendon). The main problem IMHO, is that it is so effective that docs handed it out like candy for infections that either needed no antibiotics, or a less broad spectrum one.
Exactly!
He should look into DMSO. A Midwestern Doctor has written extensively on it.
Thank you, Dave. I'm glad you found it valuable!
Great news, as read this thread I could not help but think that this sounded a lot like what my brother in law is going through. The part that usually only thin elderly women are diagnosed with Lady Windermere has me second guessing. He has had an ongoing cough for quite some time now. He has seen a specialist about his lungs who told him he had congestive heart failure. He then went to his cardiologist who said that was not the case. They are perplexed at his condition. Perplexed is a common condition among doctors here in Canada.He is eighty years old, vaxxed to the max but up until a year ago very healthy and active. Any thoughts about my suspicions as he could very well be immune compromised.
Seeing an awful lot of this in my immediate family at the moment. Constant upper respiratory tract infections, one after the other. And all vaxxed.
If they are not immune compromised, then I’m a monkey’s uncle.
Vaccine-induced interstitial lung disease: a rare reaction to COVID-19 vaccine: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34510014/. Not so rare. Perplexed? Perhaps not. Men can get LW disease though too; MAC is an atypical infection.
And yes, it's thought to be an autoimmune process.
I hope this helps you discover the cause of your brother-in-law’s symptoms! Although Lady Windermere syndrome primarily affects women, there are instances of men with it as well. See the paper and abstract below:
• [Diagnostic image. An old man with a cough] (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19785844/)
Abstract: A 72-year-old man presented with chronic coughing due to an infection with Mycobacterium avium complex: Lady Windermere syndrome.
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Has he gotten a CT scan? Is there a tree-in-bud pattern? What about a bronchoscopy? MAI is very slow-growing, so it can take up to eight weeks to get the respiratory culture results.
Even if he doesn’t have Lady Windermere syndrome specifically, he may have a related condition from mycobacteria (MAI, MAC, NTM, TB, etc.). The good news is chlorine dioxide looks like a promising treatment for all of them (as well as countless other conditions). That is the Ecuador protocol Pierre offered to request for my mom. They are currently testing it on antibiotic-resistant TB.
Pierre just launched a new series on chlorine dioxide, so definitely follow his Stack for more details on this seemingly miraculous cure:
• https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com/p/trumps-bleach-conference-alluded
So good to see you post, Margaret Anna Alice. I was thinking about you just yesterday.
Aww, thank you, Robin 💓
@Margaret Anna Alice. Thank you for sharing your story. I have a very similar profile as your mom. So this was very enlightening to me. I'm learning my P.a infection is like a cofactor. It grows out of control if one of my other infections flares. I found high doses of goldenseal and strong thyme tea throughout the day helps but does not cure. Both have natural antibacterial and antiviral properties. Will continue to follow your mom's journey. (P.s.I've read hashimotos could be viral. EBV. Could lupus be viral? I wish more research would be done on the effects of these herpetic viruses that may be reactivated in our bodies. Could bacteria also be cofactor to a viral infection? So we treat the bacteria but not the virus. )
I am sorry you are suffering similar symptoms, DDM, but I am thrilled this information may help you resolve your condition! And yes, you are exactly right about the P.a infection likely being a cofactor.
Thank you for the recommendations re: goldenseal and thyme tea.
I definitely recommend checking out chlorine dioxide as that is the protocol Pierre recommends. He just launched a new series on this that is well-worth following:
• https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com/p/trumps-bleach-conference-alluded
Love this, so happy for the Christmas miracle!! 🙏❤️
🙌🎄🙏
MAA, thank you as always for a great ride up. I request, any chance you can do a quick TLDR? I got lost in the weeds of whether IV vitamin C protocol is likely to help the chronic cough, or any nebulizer including hydrogen peroxide or silver? Was there only one treatment place a plane flight away that Pierre noted?
TLDR: Here is what Pierre texted:
“yes, it would appear that your mom has some sort of non-tuberculous microbacteria, it could be MAI or it could be a cousin of MAI, but either way now that she is persistently symptomatic in merits treatment. The problem is that there is an old adage about MAI: ‘it becomes a disease of medicines’ because they are poorly tolerated. I personally would pursue a chlorine dioxide protocol, likely via nebulizer with or without oral administration as well. there is a trial going on in Ecuador for drug resistant TB using chlorine dioxide, I will try to find their protocol if you guys are interested.”
So next step is to get the Ecuador protocol and get started on that.
Thank you so much. As we both know, and Doctors like Pierre, there are many undiscovered or suspected treatments that are inexpensive and ignored or scoffed at. Not wacky fanciful stuff, but highly plausible mechanisms.
Don't forget, people die in hospital all the time of sepsis who need not be dying. If your mother becomes septic for any reason, it's high dose intravenous vitamin C, Thiamine which is B1, and corticosteroid.
See Dr. Paul Marik's work for reference. Blessings.
So wonderful to read, Margaret Anna Alice! What an answer to prayer! You reply is overflowing with extremely helpful information! I'm saving it to share! Praise God from Whom all blessings flow! I am grateful!
I am thrilled to hear that and hope it helps you and many others! Thank you so much, Maggie Think of Me!
Excellent! What a true miracle. 🙏🏻. The information supplied within, So valuable. 🎄
I'm grateful to know you found it of value, Romgrp!
Jeff I have been in tech all my life and it is always about the money, not the lack of talent. Foreigners will work for less to do a job that is worth more to an American. There are numerous reasons for that but the main one is that they are mostly coming from third world countries that no one wants to live in. That's not a racist comment. That's the truth. Otherwise Elon and Vivek would chase the talent they need and move to India or China or Japan.
I don't have anything against using H1B1 visas but they have become overused to drive wages of Americans down.
It definitely sounds like they could use more guardrails
Jeff, PLEASE look at all the H1B job listings people are pointing out on Twitter. $25k for truck drivers. Low-level accountants. Etc. etc. There is a difference between H1Bs and O-1s for extraordinary talent. Also, companies like mine bring in tons of people on visas AND ALSO spin up offices in countries like India, so they don't have to hire in America at all. The reason this is raging on Twitter MIGHT be the deep state, but this is an issue that has touched many of us personally. It's a debate we need to have, and I am learning a lot.
But how to do this without creating another big bureaucracy in gov't that will surveil private businesses and tell them who they can hire? It's a quagmire as I know several small tech company owners who evade the HIB visa shortage by just outsourcing vast numbers of tech jobs to places like India. One was recently acquired by a company out of NY. Twelve programmers lost their jobs and their replacements live in India. Either bringing talent here, or hiring it outside the country, American workers lose out, as foreign talent improves the bottom line. ~10 years ago, a client moved all his web development jobs to Costa Rica, and said communication and cultural issues negated some of the wage savings and ended up bringing half of the jobs back. Lost track of him and he retired and closed his biz last year so no idea how it ended up with foreign vs American workers.
Pretty easy, actually. Trump did it in term 1:
You require that H1-B be paid the same wage as their American colleagues in the same role at the same company. This can be tracked via tax information the government already has within the IRS/SBA/Department of Labor, and it makes the H1-B more expensive than the American because it's full compensation + cost of sponsorship. if there legitimately isn't anyone else, it'll be worth it to the company to cough up. Otherwise, they'll go with the American.
Biden rescinded that EO, which is how you know it worked to close H1-B as a corporate cost-cutting loophole lol
Edit: Elon has now offered exactly this solution, plus the addition of an ongoing fee to maintain the visa
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1873191959441084531/
Shoot - can't believe that I didn't know that! Thank you, Whatsit!
Makes a lot of sense to me.
Fair question.
Guard rails are indeed what is needed. Instances where Disney laid of tech workers to hire H1Bs to do exactly the same job should not be allowed; but on the other hand I worked at an engineering company that maintained three different modeling systems and the only tech manager we could find who understood how to maintain them was an H1B. Some kind of guideline is needed
The problem is the visa itself because it takes for granted or skips over the most important part: citizenship. Visa recipients are NOT Americans and being or becoming one is at most an after thought. In fact, it is much more advantageous employers to keep visa holders in a second class status.
Immigration should only be about citizenship, not economic advantage. That is, should We the People of the US invite you to become one of us? Are you willing and able to become a self-governing citizen of our natural rights, constitutional republic? Too many of these double-PhD, Wiley Coyote super genius, H1B visa holders are socialists at heart.
It bothers me so much to see good people jerked around. When you know people first hand in these situations of having second class status, hoping for citizenship and working hard to attain it, but the system is unpredictable and they can't feel settled, it's frustrating. Meanwhile people who contribute nothing but crime get free help in every way possible? We need a way to make immigration easier for the good people who want to contribute and be Americans.
The entire point of H-1B is ZERO guard rails for naked EXPLOITATION.
They also can't say "no" to their employer without risking their job. Losing the job means having to leave or try and find another sponsor, at worst be deported and never allowed to enter the USA again. It's the same way that many people keep their entirely illegal employees in line.
Wading into the twiXter storm briefly last night, I noticed the vitriol and lack of understanding about the h-1B visa conditions. The company literally holds the visa, and indeed there is little room for saying no, since the visa holder cannot leave for other employment without the cooperation of their current and prospective employers. These employees are handcuffed and may see working 14 hour days as a way to get the visa period extended. They, and their families, are held captive by the employer. It is indentured servitude. The regulations need to be examined. I wonder if we need their physical presence in the country, given the connectedness we now have. I think we also have a duty to examine the elephant of off-shoring for competitive wage advantages. It’s complicated.
It's not that difficult to have people working remotely for you these days, but there is a higher risk of getting scammed and time-zones can be a problem if you need to have a lot of meetings, in some countries there are additional problems with unreliable electricity or internet access. Assuming a non-predatory employer hiring someone who is willing to relocate to another continent and show up at the office increases the likelihood of getting someone who is very dedicated, disciplined and high-agency. Although there are cases where that dedication and discipline applies more to the ability to lie to an employer than to actually working ;)
I've worked remotely for US clients as well as other countries from Europe. It's not difficult and since there is a double taxation treaty there is no additional cost, the customer can pay me in US dollars via ACH, others may use paypal or something like that. It gets difficult if there is a contract dispute because it's basically impossible to sue someone in another continent, this requires a lot of trust between either side and trust is difficult to build remotely. All that work I got through personal references. One major difficulty is if the customer doesn't know the local culture of the country they're contracting to. e.g. in some cultures it's more polite to lie than lose face and not the social norm to admit fault or responsibility. It's very hard to get the right work done and done right if the other side isn't willing to admit if they haven't understood your instructions.
First off, we aren't in "dire need" of H1-B visas as claimed. Just take some time to peruse the lists of the jobs granted these visas (they are available online) and it's *obvious* the system is being abused. It's not lists of highly-qualified nuclear physicists but pretty mundane stuff. The system is clearly being gamed by employers.
These employers are doing for two reasons: 1) foreigners from 3rd world countries will work for less than Americans and 2) because they are dependent of their employment for continued guest visa access, they tolerate abusive working conditions that people with self-respect won't tolerate. It's a form of indentured servitude.
This depresses wages for actual Americans and companies deliberately abuse the system to replace them. Everyone has heard the stories of long time employees being fired and forced to train their guest worker replacements as a condition of severance. These stories are true and aren't propaganda.
This is where all the rancor came from over the last few days. Vivek's extremely condescending and tone-deaf post that pretty much said Americans deserve to be replaced because they are vapid and lazy. Even if it's true (and there's a lot of evidence it is not), he doesn't get a free-pass to trash Americans as a justification to import hundreds of thousands of guest workers (overwhelmingly from India BTW) to replace them. The arrogance of such a screed it hard to believe.
People really are fed up. America is not just some corporate Disneyland where people can come to make a bunch of money and have no stake in the country. There's more things to a country than GDP, such as a common sense of community and a shared heritage. This is what these vulture capitalists deliberately ignore, there is more to life than making money. You don't get to import foreigners to replace Americans just to increase your bottom line. If you don't like Americans work ethic then figure out how to motivate them or move your company to India.
And let's be clear about something else, if Indians are so great then India would be great. It's not, it's a garbage dump. And the extreme arrogance shown by many prominent Indians over the last few days, makes pretty clear they still don't get it. And yes some people said some pretty vile things about Indians. But grow up, people sale vile things about everyone. Plenty of whites have had vile things said about them recently in case people haven't noticed. Funny how this "racism" only goes one way. And also all of the critics with justified concerns (as I outline above) have been tarred as racist along with the bigots. It's obvious what's going on.
What has happened over the last few days has been glorious. Actual Americans (i.e. people who have lived here for generations and can't run back to the "old country" when things get tough) have said enough is enough. We aren't going to stand back and import a bunch of unassimilated foreigners, while debasing our own culture in the process, just so Intel can hit their profit targets. This stuff is over. We aren't going to let the tech bros (who until five minutes ago were Democrats) dictate what constitutes MAGA. They are welcome to participate but this is a nationalist movement. Period.
Elon and Vivek got spanked hard and it was well deserved. We'll see how they respond.
First, I'm going to assume you're no longer in the workforce - is that correct? What Vivek said about our culture was spot on imho, and I say that as a math geek who has been an engineer for 25 years and still has another 10 years (at least) to work. I have a few anecdotes explaining why I agree with Vivek.
1) A couple of years ago, I went to an Eagle Forum meeting at the local civic center which was also hosting the local High School football banquet. The players are allowed to bring dates. These teenage girls were dressed like Pros (Hoes). I was shocked and disgusted. The well off parents in my ruby red conservative want their kids to be either a start football player or a cheerleader. And I hear all kinds of other things you wouldn't want to know about our well off mothers and their teenage daughters where I live from the lady who does my facials every 3 months for the past 5 years. I have no doubt many of those scantily clad teenage girls are now earning a living on OnlyFans.
2) I work in manufacturing. We had a severe labor shortage starting in 2021 when the boomers all retired pretty much at the same time. It was nationwide across all sectors of the workforce. HR and business leaders have been weak. They didn't force their workers to come back to the office because they knew they'd be too hard to replace. You've heard of "quiet quitting" right? Gen X workers like me are burned out taking up the slack of the people who are busy on FB or Instagram most of the day. You said "if you don't like Americans work ethic then figure out how to motivate them or move your company to India." Companies already did that. Trump enticed much investment back here with his tax changes. He wants manufacturing to come back but we can't do that when our own population won't work. If they do work, you have to tiptoe around them in order to avoid hurting their feelings. The other problem we noticed was a significant uptick in accidents. Experienced workers were scared to come to work because the younger workers don't care. They don't even bother to show up half the time, so we have high absenteeism, inspectors and supervisors having to fill in for absent production workers. Just google 'problems with gen z workers'. My coworkers and I overhear conversations from some of the young hourly people. It's not that they're not getting paid enough. They and most of their generations dream job is to be a social media influencer. But the men are fine to sit in their parent's basement all day long playing video games if not worse. We hired 2 engineers in my group over the past 3 years. I'll just say slim pickings out there.
3) Half of our hourly new hire candidates fail the initial drug screen. It's been that way for about 8 years.
4) All my life, young men have jumped at the chance to work 7 12s because of overtime pay. They like having extra $ to take their girlfriends out on dates. Nobody ever called this 'slave labor' until the right became woke snowflakes yesterday.
With all that said, if the Loomer crowd had cried 'this is corporate welfare', that would have been a good argument, but they didn't. Imho, if there's any deep state involvement I'd take a long look at Loomer. Google "Laura Loomer Hillary Clinton". Remember the whole "curry" remarks she made? She's obnoxious and disgusting, and I don't think her side is going to win this fight. They made asshats of themselves.
Your assumption is wrong, I am in the workforce in a senior leadership technical position. Fortunately, my industry hasn't been affected by this as it requires US citizenship and often a security clearance granted by the US government.
We do just fine and don't require a single "guest worker". We have great, honest, hard working people, all of them citizens. I'd suggest that maybe the reason you cannot attract quality workers is that you pay them substandard wages and expect unreasonable commitments. We expect forty hours worth of work where they do their best. And we pay them for it.
It makes no difference if what Vivek said was true. None. This guy was a Democrat a couple of years ago, he doesn't get to dictate MAGA. He's an elitist son of immigrants who by fortunate circumstance took advantage of the best America had to offer. He has zero standing to trash American culture (even if it's true) and then tell people they deserve to be replaced. That's what he said and it was so tone deaf I doubt he'll actually be part of the administration for long.
Lisa - instead of you trashing young people who don't live up to your inflated high standards you might want to try actually listening to them. They are pissed that a couple of generations ago a milkman working forty hours a week could raise a family and buy a home. Now it's unlikely they will ever be able to buy a home regardless of how hard they work And they are right to be angry. Their birthright was sold out by types exactly like Vivek, condescending arrogant elitists with no cultural ties to the country. And you snarkilly complain about "the kids these days"?
Seriously, this is exactly why people cannot stand Boomers (or people that act like them). They think they are something special when in reality they just happened to come of age exactly when America was booming and before it was sold out from under the following generations. The answer is not to replace these people with foreigners with no connection to the country but to listen to them.
Edit: Adding to this that Elon's own Space-X cannot use guest workers because the work they do is governed by ITAR which requires US Citizenship. They have zero trouble attracting talent and are changing the world, but they also pay well.
The median salary to buy a home in the US is $99,000. That's about $48 dollars an hour. What are you paying these assembly people you complain about, $15-$20 an hour? No wonder they don't they don't feel like they are part of something.
Trump was a Democrat a couple of years before 2016. Vivek didn't say we deserved to be replaced. He said if we don't demand higher standards of the people in our society, we are not going to out-compete China. I agree with that. And whining about it might make people feel better, but it doesn't fix the problem that we have. A couple of generations ago, the industrial capacity of Europe and Japan were still being rebuilt after complete obliteration during WW2. That's why a milkman was able to raise a family and buy a home (which would be considered a tiny home by today's standards). I'm not a Boomer. I grew up in the 70s-80s in one of the poorest states in the country. I've seen nothing but improved living conditions in my region of the country for most of my life. But none of us expected to be able to be able to buy a home while we were in our 20s. $24 an hour is entry level pay here. The young ones usually don't show up the Monday after payday, and it's worse after our quarterly bonus payout day. Two young workers living together (as in married) at $24/hr could buy a $99,000 house, both with only high school diplomas. That's a lot better than my parents first home, a single wide, in 1963. Did I mention the part where half of our new hire candidates can't stay of drugs long enough to pass the initial drug screen? I live in B'ham AL, so it's cultural I guess. Are we allowed to talk about that? Here's a chart of nonfarm job openings. If you weren't affected by it at work, you should consider yourself lucky. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/JTSJOL
I am in 💯% AGREEMENT with everything you wrote here. Very WELL SAID.👏👏👏👏👏👏
🎯 My main argument FOR Trump when he was first elected was that he stopped the Obama policy of flooding the US with HB-1s. We have several friends who are independent IT contractors and were preparing to have their wages cut in half until Trump stopped it. I'm baffled as to why he is okay silent about this now. We also know other very knowledgeable individuals within tech companies who have reached glass ceilings because of the gender and skin color. Until they scrap the DEI and bring workers back to the office, we should not expand outsourcing. Fix the US first:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/paypal-founder-peter-thiel-silicon-valley-called-staff-back-to-office-as-they-realised-that-employees-werent-actually-working/articleshow/116403476.cms
On a side note, we know a very qualified Indian woman who has been working in the US. She was sent back during Covid and the company fought to get her back sooner than the required VISA time. Women do not have the opportunity to work in IT in India. We are grateful to have her here as the US gives women opportunities they would not otherwise have. Same story with a woman from Lebanon.
Women certainly work in IT and engineering in India. I know because I hired, trained, and managed them in India and was eventually replaced by them. Not just me but all my teams, largely comprised of women, in all the western “high cost” nations lost out to offshoring to Indian IT workers. They were not better educated, not at all. But they they were cheaper. About 1/5th the price of a western worker. Follow the money.
Exactly! It's always about the money. For startups, investor money has dried up thanks to Bidenomics. I know several experienced and excellent tech workers who can't find jobs because the job market in tech is the worst since 2008. I am one of them. I have a PhD in a scientific field and I have an excellent, top notch resume, crickets. A friend just told me her husband works for Cisco and they're having more layoffs and he isn't getting rid of bottom feeders, he's having to layoff top notch talent because they're work force is already very lean. Her 23 year old son knows several recent college graduates in computer science who can't find jobs. More and more tech companies are having layoffs every week. IBM is moving jobs back to India after just bringing those jobs back to the US a few years ago. My friend who works at IBM told me that IBM stopped hiring people in Poland in favor of people in India because the Polish workers got too expensive. I'm thinking Elon doesn't need more H1B visas. If workers here are too expensive, maybe they need to work on doing something about the economy here.
When I hired recent graduates for a campus research center, the h1b salary requirements were often higher than what we were already paying our full-time citizen employees 🫣 so that infrequent hire would then ripple into salary realignments for everyone else. But campus salaries in the non faculty research ranks tend to be suppressed compared to the dot com world.
What do you say to Elon and others who claim that, if a qualified American were available, they'd choose the American, because it's so much easier/quicker and less expensive to hire an American than go through the rigmarole of the visa?
I would say they are looking for a discount.
Let me explain. They are offering a wage that is cheaper to them but not as expensive as a H1B1. There is a line there where they stop looking for American talent and go for foreigners. That stops wage growth right there. That is the cap for American wages. So they may never get to the wage level that makes it competitive for an American worker to enter the position. That's a problem. But the answer is not more foreign talent. Its to pay more for the position so that more Americans are interested in it.
You can say the same thing about Germans, Koreans, Taiwanese, Israelis. These countries grow good engineers. The farmer harvests where the crop is good. ITAR just makes it more difficult
Just adding that many of the offensive, ad-hominem, attacking comments made are most likely bots or by nefarious actors. I'm sure most folks here can spot it too, and not to react as they're leading you.
No one is coming to save us . Put your trust in God . Psalm 118:8 . Safe travels to the Childers Family . 💝🙏
God saved us from civil war by having Trump move his head by a mere couple of millimeters....just sayin'...
...He works in mysterious ways, eh ?
His leadership has been nothing short of a miracle.
He is a changed man since 2016.
God interceded with an imperfect vessel to "save" us from ourselves because he loves us.
I have recently been thinking along those lines
Yes!! Amen.
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I know...you don't like him...;)
Nope! I can’t stand him. I voted for Trump twice.
After Operation Warp Speed, the Truth IS apparent to me. Especially through Intuition…
Truth.
Trump’s shooting was staged according to Miles W Mathis and his astute observations. https://mileswmathis.com/crooks.pdf
Maybe Miles Mathis is correct about the assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks - that crooks is undercover CIA. Makes sense because of the complete blackout on information about Crooks and his family.
lol
Miles is always fun
Of course it was staged. It’s all staged.
Amen Brandon. We need to steel ourselves for disappointment and struggles, while maintaining a semblance of hope. But our true hope is in Jesus.
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Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance, and let endurance have its perfect result, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. James 1:2-4 NASB
God gave us brains to use. Sitting back idly and saying God will take care of it is to say we are mindless nincompoops with no ability to resolve any of our problems. Should you tie down the camels at night or let God take care of it? I was just in a discussion with someone yesterday who said people see Trump supporters as racist idiots. There seems to be a touch if racism tied with the H1-B argument and there certainly seems to be a touch of embracing staying stupid until the nation is really like that movie Idiocracy. The desire to see how quickly we can get to an intellectual level of the earthworm apparently knows no party affiliation. If bringing in some of the best of other nations makes us better as a people, why not do it? I thought that's what America was about.
Please don’t fall for the prescribed “racism” card. Americans are so afraid to state that they prefer their culture over a foreign one. Why? Many Hindus prefer their culture over an American one, even as they like the creature comforts this American culture has created. The same goes for Mexicans or any other foreign group that comes here. It’s tribalism, and it’s part of human nature. Bringing in lots of Hindus will radically change our culture, and not for the better (look at some parts of Canada). Americans should have their culture and not be threatened with a replacement population.
The American culture is an amalgamation of many cultures and it's one of the great things about America. Remember that in the 19th century, Irish immigrants were despised, as were Italians. Being primarily Catholic and often of working classes, they didn't fit into the Protestant public's perception of what an American should be. Now we have parades celebrating both cultures. And then there was the Chinese. Oh boy did they get hated. The gov't even wrote the Chinese Exclusion Act which banned Chinese from entering the country. One of the first laws banning people because of race. So, hating people of other cultures is tribalism, as you say and a part of the American culture, too. It is preferable that people coming here do assimilate rather than remain isolated in separate communities. One of the reasons for legal immigration is that immigrants are required to learn about the country they are entering. Having multiple cultures coming to this country can contribute to the growth of our own culture which is always changing, unless, of course, the culture embraces violence, subjugation, superstition, etc. By the way, I'll bet the native Americans didn't like having their culture replaced, either. I think you may be confusing culture with affluence/materialism when you say other cultures prefer the "creature comforts" of our culture. Everyone likes material things that make their lives more comfortable. That's not a cultural thing.
"By the way, I'll bet the native Americans didn't like having their culture replaced, either."
Yep. It really stunk getting conquered and colonized.
finally. we have brains and free will. Use both
Here's why: because when one gets legal status they bring over their families (chain my migration). For example there are cities in Texas that are mainly Indian replete with Hindu temples.
Elon's desire to get the top .01% of engineering talent is probably fine. But it's all the mid level IT workers on H1B visas that should end.
What is more important is to remember that God helps those who help themselves and their neighbours as in the parable of the 3 servants entrusted with their master's money while he was away.
God helps us all, not just "those who help themselves!" That statement is pure fiction! God helps whomever, whether or not "they help themselves!"
I wasn't "helping myself" when He met me in the dark hallway of my boyfriend's house! He called out to me, not the other way around! "Take my hand." I responded that I'd scraped the bottom of the bucket so hard I was under the proverbial bucket of a sin filled life, how could He want me? "Take me hand," He called again. And that is all it took! I grabbed a hold of Him. Gone were the addictions that kept me from living. Gone were the desires to destroy what I knew to be good. In one short, simple conversation between myself and the Creator, my heavenly Father, I knew where I wanted to be. And, that was with Him! In an instant, I was healed from a lifetime of pain that started when I was raped at age 5 by an uncle who never knew a child he couldn't abuse! God helped me because I couldn't help myself! And I am forever grateful! The Savior, born to save me, didn't require my doing anything!
"I grabbed hold of Him". This. This is our one responsibility, to decide to accept the great gift of salvation, or to reject it. The rest is all God. I'm so glad you grabbed hold!! It's truly staggering the healing that can happen when the Holy Spirit moves into your tabernacle, and how fast it can happen!
AMEN!
I am glad God reached out to you. He does not save everyone in need.
I have my own uplifting story of personal divine intervention so I am a believer.
What I am saying is if everyone sits around waiting for God to save them then who is going to plant the crops, harvest the crops, make the farm machinery, build the ark to save us, etc.
We need to do our best for ourselves and our fellow man and if God decides to aid us then Bonus.
I totally agree. What I know to be true is, God calls us, we don't call Him. If it was up to us, we'd never look for Him. His love for us and His Holy Spirit coupled with our acceptance is what drives us to do what He wants for us. That Divine Drive goes on and on!
I think we’re talking about 2 different things here.
God calls us all and did that by sending His Son, Jesus to be born of a virgin, become flesh, dwell among us, crucified on a cross, and rose from the dead and now sits at the right hand of His Father in Heaven. We all are sinners until we do exactly what Maggie Think Of Me did, answer when He calls. He called and SHE DID SOMETHING by grabbing hold of Him. Every person on earth has that choice once they have heard and respond one way or another. Our free will of choice. The only thing we have to to is accept Him and His invitation to call Him Savior and stop sinning
The other, I believe relates to the scripture of Proverbs 6:6-19 where we are told that even the ants prepare for themselves for the winter by gathering all fall and they have no commander or leader to tell them to do this. There are other scriptures that explain this same concept in different parables relating to the situation.
All we have to do is look around and see the generation that’s looking for handout without working; passing grades with doing the work; a full days pay for a half day’s work, etc. This is an area where Proverbs 13:4 would apply to, “The soul of a sluggard craves and gets nothing, while the soul of the diligent is richly supplied.”
Semantics and context are important. (Also diagraming sentences lol)
Maggie Think of Me, I will think of your story daily as I pray for those I love to reach out and grab hold of Jesus as He is calling them. You are a beautiful witness of the saving Grace of Jesus. I’m blessed by your story.
Thank you, Oma! I shall not take one ounce of credit though! It is truly God and His incredible love for me, there for all who accept Him!
Giving Him all of the glory!
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Hi Fred, I respect your point here. But would you consider a something just a little different?
I think what you may want to emphasize is stewardship - that is what that parable of the talents is about. The quote “God helps those who help themselves” from Greek mythology - the story of the wagoneer w a broken wheel. And it is actually “Heaven, (the gods of Mt Olympus), help those who help themselves.” I grew up hearing people use that quote that as though it was from God-breathed scripture. When I tried to look it up for myself one day as a young adult, I was shocked to discover the source. (If you didn’t know that, please do not feel bad. I just heard Jack Posobiac use it on his show “Human Events” on Christmas Eve. So we are in good company.) God doesn’t really need us for anything but He has chosen to have a relationship with us - allowing us to be stewards, giving us purpose to bring Him
Glory. I think we might agree that stewardship of the blessing God has given to us is seen repeatedly through scripture. It is my prayer that more and more people would see that our country and our constitution is a gift from God and it is our duty in obedience to scripture to be vigilant, engaged, steward in our communities and nation. I appreciate your consideration of this and hope your Christmas and new year ahead is blessed!!
Thankyou for the historical source of the expression. I did not know where it came from until now. If you will recall the servant given 1 talent was scolded by him master for not having increased his master's money, even through he was a good steward in preserving the money. It is not the perfect biblical reference but it was the best I could think of at the moment I wrote the comment.
The problem with H1B is the system has been brutally misused, openly, with no punishment. They do not exhaust local resources. Disney fired a whole programming department and forced them to hire their H1B replacements in order to qualify for their severance! And that had to have been at least 10 years ago!
I remember that one, because that office was one of my first interviews out of college.
Any discussion of H1B necessity without discussion of preventing replacing our workforce with one that oligarchs prefer is just an own goal on the part of MAGA.
At the very least any company that had layoffs before shouldn't be allowed to sponsor any foreign worker Visa for a few years and it should also be illegal for them to hire H1B workers through subcontractors.
But not sure how you enforce that. We are trying to shrink the size of government, not add to the surveillance state. I am a 'lean no' on the H1B visas, as the overall goal is getting people who will work long hours for relative peanuts, but torn, as I also am against the gov't setting a minimum wage.
Maybe public exposure, now that we have a couple of ways of getting information out? Let applicants know which companies to avoid, for example. Affect their public reputations as employers by sharing validated, truthful information that can't be a basis for suing.
Enforcement would be a huge problem, I think this would probably require a way for the employees that are displaced or rejected to sue instead of leaving it up to bureaucrats who don't do their job and just accept it if a company lies cleverly enough.
But how is a broke unemployed person going to be able to afford a lawyer? Similar issue; a friend posted this AM about how happy she was to see a lawsuit (post she shared had very few details, it was basically clickbait) against a host of 'big food' companies for 'ultra processed foods'. Meh. Lawyers get rich, and food companies pass the legal costs on to the consumer. If we don't like what they put in their products, DON'T BUY THEM.
Seems like the answer to everything these days is either 'sue them' or 'regulate them'. But seems like the court of public opinion can turn on a dime compared to the years and $$ that lawsuits & regs do.
There are no solutions, only trade-offs. It may be more sensible to scrap the whole H1B program if it's more trouble than it's worth. That a high-skilled person lives paycheck to paycheck and can't afford a lawyer is a whole other problem.
Gotta pay off all those student loans, pay for all those streaming services and get the daily Starbucks fix....
Yeah, it's sad how financially illiterate many professionals are. Of course these are the types of employees you might want to retain because they really need that paycheck about as much as the H1B employees need their visa.
True, I have a lawyer friend who shifted to 'covid law' in 2020. Said she was shocked by the number of what she called 'golden handcuff' clients who wanted to hire her to help get religious exemptions for the shots. Big salaries and even bigger mountains of debt and could not afford to lose their jobs. Went around telling groups when she spoke that the best way to help themselves was live on less than you make and have a pile of "FU Money" for times like these. One of my most outspoken conservative warrior friends got the shot and didn't even fight it as he is the sole breadwinner in his house with 6 kids and said he couldn't afford to jeopardize his job. At least he was honest about it, turns out there were many others who caved and didn't tell anyone til later.
I appreciate your sentiments but sometimes even though a certain type of worker has been laid off, the new hires have different expertise. Otherwise you are entering the Biden territory of coal workers need learn to code.
I get that, but there is such a thing as moral hazard. If you need layoffs and different expertise you still have the option to hire domestically. Although for many positions the companies could also just contract the work out to another country, there are no tariffs or taxes on services.
Yes there definitely need to be some conditions and safeguards put into place.
yes, H1Bs are cheaper, and they are very "compliant" -- no unions etc. There's nothing in the law that says that the company even has to "try" to find a US worker...
There isn't? The common understanding is that there is, though it's also very easy to pretend to do that and claim you can't find any.
The trick is to find a person abroad with the required skill-set and then word the job posting so that it only fits to that specific person. In fields like IT it's pretty easy to do since there is such a wide range of qualifications.
Just like those gov't contracting bid requests that are written in such a way that only those who help line the pockets of the political class or fit the proscribed narrative need reply. They can then say, "oh, we put it out for bid and only had one company submit a bid" and thus get out of the requirement that there be 3 bids for every contract. That's how our county gov't rolls.
Just like any regulation that purports to solve a problem - it gives the regulatory class a reason to justify their existence, but ignores that people will find away to evade it.
I go round and round with my liberal daughter over the wage issue. One of our favorite restaurants closed in 2020, and posted that their closure was due to inability to find employees. (this was during covid when people were paid to stay home) Sent the post to her, and remarked how sad it was, and her response was, "it's their own fault, if they paid people a living wage they wouldn't have this problem" Her reply was the same when her brother/our son, noted that entry level production workers who had a brain and a work ethic were impossible to find at his plant. He told her if they paid more, they would have to raise prices and would lose customers. She just shrugged and said the owners shouldn't make such big profits.
The truth is somewhere in the middle I suppose - foreign workers ARE cheaper and more compliant but we also have too many people that feel entitled to a certain standard of living but don't want to have to work or make sacrifices to get it, in part due to a social safety net that disincentivizes work and upward mobility.
On social media, where I have such conversations, I often encourage people like your daughter to start a business and run it for one whole year after she’s able to hire just one employee for that year. If more people did this it would be worth a whole lot compared to the other ‘education’ they get. America was built on small business people, including farmers, people who ‘made a living.’ Now we only tell young people they need to ‘get a job,’ by being a cog in someone else’s machine. It’s a completely different mindset, self-sufficiency, self-control, and self-government vs. being a subject, and we’re suffering for it.
Oh that I could actually have that rational conversation. Her flippant remarks are an unspoken line in the sand. Dare to cross it and you get an unhinged rant, and a walk out the door, one that she will slam as she goes if possible. She was not raised that way - I've been self employed since she was in elementary school, and had plenty of dinner table conversations on economics, supply and demand, gov't regulations and so on. Didn't stick, she wandered away in college.
I would bet that my parents despaired of me, too, but in the end I think I might have been more conservative than either of them, and they were conservative! Don’t lose hope.
The thing I don't understand is why Elon brought the subject up. Was there a big drive to end H1-B visas? If so, it was new to me.
First address illegal immigration, then we talk about legal immigration. We still have 24 days before the MAGA tires start turning, gaining traction, so let's take a chill pill 😎, stay alert and keep our powder dry.
These guys are really, like REALLY sharp, and know how to handle social media. I have a hard time believing they accidentally stumbled into this argument.
I hope we can just not implode for long enough to see how DOGE pans out - I think it will be hugely net positive!
I disagree. If they were really sharp they would not have mentioned a thing until it was a done deal and unstoppable. The answer is the opposite, due to their arrogance they stepped in it big time.
I'm grateful for what these two guys have done in getting Trump elected. But both of these guys were Democrats until not too long ago. They only sided with MAGA because it was clear the Dems have gone insane. They are not nationalists at heart.
They thought (in their ignorance) they could dictate to the base what MAGA now represents. They were wrong. The base is not a bunch of brain-dead automatons but national populists who are fed up with business as usual. We no longer believe a word of why this thing that is obviously bad (importing huge numbers of unassimilated foreigners that under cut wages) is supposedly a good thing. There are plenty of dolts out there still falling for it, but most people in MAGA woke up long ago.
That's why they got the brutal response they did over the the last few days, and it was 100% self-inflicted and deserved. People are angry, and we aren't going to put up with this stuff anymore.
Jeff C - Along with the DOGEs, Trump was also a Democrat until recently.
Testing the waters… they know what they’re doing
It all started with Trump nominated this Frankenstein-looking freak to be 'Chief of AI Policy' https://x.com/nasescobar316/status/1871526624233132350
He specializes in replacing White workers with zillions of Indians. There's threads of him talking about this specifically. 'Saves the client money'.
So people started bitching about him, and Elon and Vivek jumped in to defend the policy of mass Indian migration.
Eventually Elon started nuking dissenters. Tyrant mode enabled.
The caste system in IT has to be called out. Our American kids are not being given a fair shake anymore when they come out of college.
Not when more time is spent being trained to be a victim or join an activist group.
Not only that, he's on record denigrating American workers in the most condescending and degrading manner. He also advised Indian guest workers on how to scam the system to get permanent residence.
The guy is clearly a POS with no cultural or ancestral ties to America, but simply views it a land to exploit. This is not MAGA, and we will not accept these types of people in the movement's leadership. They are welcome to participate but will not be dictating terms.
Exactly. It's like the covid shots to disappear us. Or trans to get rid of 'women'.
Using these immigration tricks is the yet another way to displace us.
You know BFM, one of the downsides of being red-pilled is it wakes us up to some harsh realities. Frankly some of these I wish I hadn't seen as it was more pleasant to just be oblivious and bumbling around in the world.
The Judaism-Hindu rathole is one of these realities. Both Talmudic Judaism and Hinduism have fundamental teachings that the commoners are simply cannon fodder for the elites. The elites are different in both religions but the foundational teachings are identical. Whether it's the Jew-Gentile divide or the caste system, the results are the same. And it's the antithesis of Christianity's teaching that God's love and salvation are available to all who accept it.
Even if people aren't openly religious, thousands of years of this elitist thinking has deeply molded many people immersed in it's culture. On the Hindu side, they really showed it over the last few days.
I went to school with a person, first generation American of wealthy Indian parentage, who is now considered a Thought Leader (TM), def an elite Eastern seaboard type person who makes markets in terms of ideas.
This person will flat out tell you to your face that Hindus are the most evolved individuals on earth, all other persons are lesser, ignorant, benighted, lowly, etc. And of course it can't be helped, there's nothing to do for them and really it's their own fault anyway, the poor schmucks just haven't incarnated enough times to choose life as a Hindu, apparently.
This blew me away when this person told me this. Meanwhile many "think pieces" from them on American racism, of course.
Jeff C - Um, looks like Musk is already in, way in, the MAGA leadership - put there by the incoming pres. himself. So, maybe your disagreement needs to be redirected to Trump. Let him know what his decisions should be...
Sort of. Trump appointed this guy to a low-level advisory position.
Laura Loomer then jumped in because she needs some new outrage to pay rent this month and blew it up using her influencer network, as though this guy is going to be personally setting immigration policy for the entire country.
David Sacks then pointed out that there are indeed issues with the current country cap system and furthermore, issues finding the right people for specific roles in Silicon Valley without immigration, which Elon and Vivek then backed up with their own experiences, in language which was interpreted as non-charitable to native-born Americans. Despite Vivek being himself a native-born American who absolutely understands the gaps in our culture when it comes to producing quality engineers, even if his solutions are largely dumb and useless.
Then it just became a raging firestorm that Trump is clearly waiting to peter out.
Loomer exposed Elon as a fat liar. Using H1B to bring in low level workers at Telsa.
https://x.com/ArtCandee/status/1872400801337123221
"Laura Loomer points out that Elon Musk has hired non-American citizens for "entry level" roles at Tesla using the database that lists the salaries of H1B visa holders."
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"I really don’t think a material planner falls under the category of “highly specialized” as the law states the employee must be. Which means Tesla is willfully violating the law."
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Elon musk just revoked her verification and canceled her subscribers and then bragged about it. All for exposing his legal replacement migration strategy.
So, Laura Loomer knows her stuff - got everyone going...
We are smart enough to not have to do a "First" then a "Second". We can, and should, do BOTH. Plenty of people like me who can provide valuable input on the carving out of the IT Middle Class over the past two decades, resulting in lost opportunities for our own American kids needlessly. Is it fair to have colleges make it seem like getting an expensive 4 year degree in IT is a necessity, then having many of those kids find out because they are white males that many consulting companies (not to mention woke corporate HR toadies) won't even give them a chance. There is literally a caste system that has been built up in IT over the past 20 years. It is time to face it, and dismantle it.
Exactly! Most of the comments I read were levelheaded and were like this.
I think it was a dig at the DOE that went sideways….
Yes, ILLEGAL immigration is the the issue "that brung you" - "dance" with IT.......that's an unnecessary misstep.
And......the Left looking at ANY opening that invites mayhem and divisiveness - they certainly DON'T need our help.
a trap for racist bots and Feds, maybe?
We will not support you financially and you are not welcome to leach off our government handouts but if you take a legal path, desire to blend in to our culture, and have something to contribute, come on in!
Aren't we already supporting them financially? Pretty soon we won't have anything left to give .
No I’m saying it ends, that ends and is absolutely not an option for past or future immigrants
It didn’t use to be, immigrants were always expected to support themselves without any help from the government.
How can you endorce 'blending in with our culture'. Unless they have confession of Christian faith they should not be allowed in.
That's unconstitutional to force a confession of faith and antithetical to Christianity itself. People must be allowed to choose what they believe, and confess.
BUT they do have to agree to abide by our laws and ways which are founded in the Christian faith.
"Our culture" is pretty messed up right now in places, and personally, I think we could use some of the insiders coming to Jesus in a sense... before we ask outsiders to mimick us.
This is ridiculous. It might be wrong to regulate immigration by religion, country of origin, or hat size, but it's not unconstitutional.
The constitution of the United States is for Americans... not French people or Greenlanders.
They don't have any loyalty or obedience to it, nor any obligation under it - or protections under it.
I feel on the front lines of this STEM issue, with a smart, capable, motivated, unemployed recent grad in my house, who spends his days applying to just the kinds of jobs being argued about. He doesn’t need an H1-B VISA, but he does need a job!
Yup. My son is friends with a young man who just graduated from the University of Washington with an engineering degree and can’t get a job because he doesn’t have enough experience.🤷🏻♀️
All he has to do is get a job so he can get some experience so he can get a job silly
Sadly, colleges do nothing for
helping with job placement. At the very least they should be telling all students to take time & intern somewhere. Build relationships. It’s not what you know, it’s who you know.
My heart and prayers go out to the grad. We need out of the UN, WHO and NATO to start. We need to revoke all D.E.I........... but how is that going to happen when you have massive global dark pools of money funding it at every turn, especially using recycled tax money.
LIterally how are we going to remain competitive and stop one world government if we continue down this path. This all started a century ago...... Every American alive today has been impoverished by it save a very small percentage at the top.
Good luck to him !
Excellent as usual, but I’m surprised you passed on the obvious headline (or at least subheading)!
To HB-1 or not to HB-1.
That is the question ....
I think it’s actually H1-B - though your way is a lot more fun. 😉
My editor is on holiday! I should never post when my editor is out.
Still works! To H1-B or not to H1-B… that is the question!
There isn’t any room for discrimination before God’s eyes!
“After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,”
Revelation 7:9 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/rev.7.9.NKJV
We are called to discriminate all the time here on earth. Don't compare what will be in Heaven one day with what is here on earth. In heaven there is no sin, not even the tiniest bit. There is no fear of going without food, housing, or fearing for your life.
We have the parables Jesus gave us to know we need to use all our talents He has given us. And he doesn't give everyone the same amount of them.
We are called to not tolerate sinful behavior, therefore we will rightly discriminate. We are called to follow just laws therefore we will not look the other way when people break them (illegal immigration being one example).
There are eternal consequences we will face one day. Without us modeling consequences for behavior here (ie. just discrimination), how are people prepared to believe that God means what He says in scripture about punishment for sin?
Plenty examples of showing good judgment could be perceived as discrimination, and it would be correct.
Pondering the truths you've spoken.
1. Discernment is not exactly the same thing as discrimination, but it allows us to discriminate wisely. Both are required.
2. We are not perfect either, so we can't come at this from a position of self-righteousness, but from one of humility in the grace of God, and standing in the righteousness of Jesus, because we NEED TO prevent malign influences from destroying us, and to winnow them out of our nation and our homes so as not to fall prey to such. We NEED TO cast out people from our society and our lives that would cause us to stumble and become no good to anyone, until the cast-out ones repent (including some people who are 'citizens'). We have a Word of God (in written form and in the Creation), and a Constitution, to guide us -- if only we would be able to use them wisely...
3. Each one of us who is a Jesus-follower is an imperfect ambassador for the Christ.
We each have struggles to become more like Him. This affects our 'diplomacy.' I know it affects mine anyway. That doesn't mean we give up, right? Right! Onward!
4. We must discern and not return evil for evil, in the sense that we must not become the things we are fighting against. And, with the Holy Spirit lighting the path, we CAN navigate the pitfalls and traps in our own lives and as a nation, and even walk through the valley of the shadow of death. We can learn from our mistakes and do better.
5. That is the discernment we must apply in discrimination, as things come up right in front of us moment by moment, and that we may project even into the future with the wisdom of revelation from the Holy Spirit of God; during this walking out of the Will of God, I believe that all those who are children of God must see those 'outside the camp' the way He does, as unsaved, unreached souls, trapped in darkness, prisoners of the war between good and evil. I pray for our enemies to know Him and Who He Is.
6. That being said, I'm NOT saying we should 'bring them all in' to our nation and into our homes, and then hope they see the light. I pray we could show/demonstrate the light to them and the ways of the light, so that they could see it from where they are (and even send them back there to where they came from, where they should be, if they are here illegally). I pray that they would realize, understand and appreciate the value of the light, and find a desire to emulate it before coming here, or to work to create it in their own nation. AND a lot of that is not our job, it's God's and theirs.
7. Immigrants must have an invitation (no 'party crashers'), one given for the expressed right reasons that make common sense -- when it is a net benefit for both parties, and if it takes time and hard work to get there, that's life! No shortcuts. WE have sovereign rights endowed by Our Creator in the land where WE've been planted.
After all, heaven doesn't allow ANYONE to be a citizen of its kingdom in eternity, to just storm the borders and bring destruction with them. It's not even possible, and it's time people understood that applies to our nation and our homes as well, as imperfect as we are.
8. There's always a reason people come here to our nation -- malevolent, benevolent, or even benign. We DO need the opportunity to have that intent communicated, and time to assess that intent in advance of granting outsiders the right to gain entry. If we don't have the resources to do it properly and quickly, it doesn't seem wise to just grab people up to fill any and every gap for a quick fix or instant gratification, forfeiting long term prosperity for expediency. How about we develop our own resources to fill gaps, even if it takes a long time to do it, and we have to suffer the growing pains of that? That would be something great for people to emulate.
9. We must wrestle against not flesh and blood, but the spiritual darkness in hearts and minds due to false philosophies and 'religions.' Our weapons of warfare are spiritual.
10. Common sense dictates things like immigration need to be done decently and in order, thoughtfully and not willy-nilly. Not sure how the pace of this century allows that, but God knows how to work that out, He is always working. He is in everything, both seen and unseen. Even in the immigration reset we need!
11. I AM concerned about centralization at the federal level of immigration though, under the banner of 'national security,' because it takes power away from individual citizens and states to determine who's in their communities. (Only sheriffs have Constitutional authority...) While at the same time, people are invited into one community and then bleed into others... and the people who make those decisions do not seem to take into account the will of the people they claim to represent. So.
12. It's a problem to federalize every part of immigration and impose it top down and tie the hands of local communities to defend themselves against an out-of-control onslaught.
13. Nevertheless, I believe we need to have the federal government carry out this mass deportation at this time in our history, to undo the damage the federal government has done for the last four years...
14. God help us get this right! In Jesus' name, Amen.
Finally, God knows the plans He has for us, and His thoughts are not our thoughts, and His ways are not our ways.
If we want to make God laugh, tell Him our plans...
If we're in the 'end times.' then NCSWIC (Nothing Can Stop What Is Coming) takes on a whole new meaning, lol.
Much affection,
Anita in Cedar, MI
This might be one of your all-time best articles, Jeff. We are capable of having nuanced discussions instead of always devolving into ad hominem attacks at the slightest provocation - but we must hold ourselves accountable to do so, just like we always say others must be held accountable.
The H1-B Visa? Seriously? This is the hill someone wants to die on? I think not.
And if it really got to you, *cough*Laura Loomer*cough*, perhaps consider taking a day off to touch grass - because we have much bigger fish to fry.
The day Elon recommends we all get neural implants and Crypto replaces cash, I’ll jump on your Cancel Elon bandwagon; until then, let him cook.
But Elon couldn't handle the heat. He's been de-monitizing big accounts that are challenging his Indian Invasion plans.
He wants cheap labor and doesn't care if the newcomers refuse to assimilate into our society.
I think that's a worthy battle. To fight for our people to not be replaced.
First, that’s a bold assertion. Second, let’s say it’s true though; I have just one reply: timing is everything.
If we were to make a list of the biggest issues facing our national security, economy and health, Can you honestly say H-1B Visas make the top 10 list?
Come on now.
You can make a case for hundreds of issues that need addressing, but I would suggest that we are such in a precarious situation that we must prioritize and pick our battles - and certainly not “cancel” one of the most powerful allies we currently have in the fight for our national survival and prosperity.
Biden and the left made the enormous mistake of making an enemy of Elon - effectively pushing him our way. Why squander that? Sure he’s a businessman; that’s why we want him to help us bring efficiency to our bloated federal government! It should really come as no surprise that Elon seeks efficiency for his own businesses and is refreshingly transparent about it. His comments simply reflect the way things are now; that doesn’t mean they can’t change.
So I submit we simply acknowledge his comments as valid, but also add this to a list of things where change is needed. That’s only fair.
I'm not claiming H1B is a top 10 issue, but it is big as it's YET another anti-White/anti-Christian effort. Jeff brought it up because Elon and Vivek made a storm saying 'Whites are dumb' and they are pushing for more foreigners to take American jobs. They don't even talk about training or trade work for our people.
You're dissing Loomer, but here she exposes how much of a liar Elon is.
https://x.com/ArtCandee/status/1872400801337123221
She shows a dump of Tesla jobs of $70K a year 'materials planner' and such that are all Indian imports. That's not a 'highly specialised' job as the law requires, meaning Tesla is in violation.
This is a big issue and has been for over 20 years. We're losing the country in real time. This has to be fixed. If you had a kid who in the last 20 years graduated with a STEM degree you would have a different opinion
We're not "losing the country", take a deep breath and calm down. Out of the 161 million working Americans, only 0.7% (1.2 million) are on H1-B visas, and it increases by only 65,000 a year + 20.000 of the higher-requirement O-1 visa. Our issues aren't that we're importing some gigantic, displacement-capable number of people, it's that we focused all of our STEM training at software engineering and saturated the market, then stopped prosecuting visa fraud in the same industry.
We didn't focus on pushing people into manufacturing-related STEM fields because we didn't have manufacturing, and now the industries we did push people into (finance/e-commerce, medical data, retail) are flooding out. We're moving back towards having high-tech manufacturing as the basis of the economy, and we don't have the correct STEM training to support that, and won't until the next generation is through education in 20 years. Something has to patch that gap.
And yes, I graduated in 2018 with (two) STEM degrees, then went through hell for two years unable to find a job, so I do actually know what I'm on about.
We are losing the country.
As America becomes more diverse (less White) it becomes worse.
You may not recall how nice Baltimore and Detroit were when they were White cities.
Trump's new advisor is pushing to blow open the cap on H1B visas. Mainly for Indians. Here's the freak that Trump is pushing.
https://x.com/nasescobar316/status/1871526624233132350
Each newcomer brings dozens of his family with them. They don't assimilate. Why can't they make India great? Why do they have to come to White countries to be able to prosper?
"As America becomes less White it becomes worse."
Oh ok, just bog-standard, skin-color based racism, got it. Sorry, not an argument.
If there was at least a cultural/anthropological argument here that would be one thing, but this exact thing was said about all those groups which are now just called "White" as they came over, and it wasn't true then either.
It was said of my Irish ancestors. It was said of my best friend's Italian ancestors, it was said of the Germans for whom one district of my city is (derogatorily) named. Literally, verbatim all of this has been said before, against the people whom you now champion on the basis of shared skin tone.
I say this with all the care in the world: kindly fuck off.
Also compare California in 1960 - 90% White. It was at peak power.
Now it's half that number, and a mecca for crime and poverty, with more moving away than in.
I provided data points. Baltimore and Detroit use to be wonderful cities that Whites built.
Then segregation was ended and Blacks moved in. Crime moved up, Whites moved out.
It's not skin tone but it's racial roots. Whites built productive societies. That's the only places were Blacks thrive. There's over 60 Black countries - each one is a shit hole.
Just like India.
Moving those people to White countries doesn't help us one bit.
No, like I said earlier, the list of pressing issues this country is facing is long - and as I said above, we don’t have the luxury of “cancelling” one of the most effective agents of the change that is required over an issue that doesn’t even make the Top 10 list. I never said it wasn’t an important issue,I simply said now is not the time to cut off our nose to spite our face. We need all hands on deck - is that really so hard to understand?
It's literally Elon who is cancelling people.
He picks Christmas day of all times to call Whites 'dumb' as he pushes for millions of Indians to take our jobs.
I like Elon but he flubbed hard. It's ok for us to argue this point.
I'd ask Elon why he had to flee a Black majority country where he was born. Why was he only successful in a White country?
Aren't you throwing regular white guys under busses?...again?
Who are you addressing? Me? Because I don’t recall ever throwing anyone under a bus, much less “white guys”. If you care to clarify, I’m happy to respond.
Elon wants unlimited Indians to staff his tech jobs.
Trump wants green cards for India as soon as they graduate from our colleges. We are talking about many millions of people. We're not being improved by these moves.
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Spot on!!!
Our entire scientific community was formed around Immigrants. From Oppenheimer being an Immigrant to Germany for obtaining his Doctorate to Edward Teller who received his Doctorate in his native Hungary.
These broad brushstrokes of immigration sounds like ‘woke’.
You're talking about White immigrants from over half a century ago.
Not third world types that can't even fix their own country.
If Indian talent was so great, why isn't China and Russia importing them?
Based Florida Man, you're on fire. Keep going.
What makes you think they only come from India? China has their own brand of the same bird, and a Russia certainly has a great relationship with India, but isn’t exactly known as a hi-tech hotbed of innovation.
Lots of engineers also come from Colombia, thought they tend to be more of the mechanical brand. Anyway, your argument brings to mind things like collegiate and professional sports. Are you bothered by all the Dominicans or Japanese in the MLB? You have a rising college student try to get a spot on a University sports team recently? Not a scholarship, mind you, just a spot on the team. I have two tennis playing teens who would love to continue to play competitively when they get to college - but there’s no room - the whole team is full of foreigners from all over the world. 🤷🏼♀️
My guys don’t want to play professionally, but it seems that’s all collegiate sports are for now - which is kinda sad.
Anyway, the point comes back to my earlier comment which is about priorities and ultimately a merit based system, to a degree, though that’s a longer conversation.
For now, can we just stay focused on a top ten list of critical priorities and not have this whole thing come apart at the seams over what is really a minor issue, relatively speaking?
The ability for one to make a living in one's own country IS THE ISSUE.
Sure, but did you not just read my comment about all the other issues we’re facing? Did you not just read my comment acknowledging it’s something that can be added to a list to be addressed? Not sure why you think I would be against the topic being discussed, or that somehow I don’t “get” what the issue is; I get it. But at the Federal Government level, Erika, this particular issue doesn’t even make a Too 10 List! As Jeff noted in his post today, it’s so transparently an attempt by the deep state to dampen Elon’s effectiveness - have you asked yourself why you fell for it?
Are you maybe just addicted to outrage culture?
How many times did the topic of H-1B Visas even occur to you before yesterday?
Come on; it’s time to take responsibility for where we place our focus; it’s not time to be manipulated by the deep state; haven’t we had plenty of that over the past 5 years?
Come on; lock in. We have work to do - and both Elon and Vivek will be enormously helpful if we can just stay focused.
Julie, well stated! Seems many who are addicted to outrage culture let it overtake their willingness to stay focused on the Big Picture. Hopefully, respectful but specific dialogue will help us all.
*cough*Laura Loomer*cough* - priceless.
Loomer exposed Elon as a fat liar. He's been stuffing Tesla jobs that don't qualify with these Indian dudes.
https://x.com/JWellsEtc/status/1872474440166191455
"Laura Loomer points out that Elon Musk has hired non-American citizens for "entry level" roles at Tesla using the database that lists the salaries of H1B visa holders."
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"I really don’t think a material planner falls under the category of “highly specialized” as the law states the employee must be. Which means Tesla is willfully violating the law."
BFM…If I was ‘in charge’ of the deep state and I wanted to insert Elon Musk as a Trojan horse agent into the conservative majority, I would have him make a public turnaround regarding politics and then have him take lots of heat from the progressives. Weak conservatives that are all talk would gush over him for standing up and doing something they aren’t capable of doing. That way, when the mask is dropped and progressive policies enacted, I could sit back and watch these supporters defend the very man that infiltrated their Lil’ Rascals club.
Elon is no less expendable than Epstein was, so it doesn’t even matter how long the charade works. It’s sad that so many conservatives are so defeated that they’ll accept a wolf who isn’t even wearing the full disguise.
I also consider that God has a track record of using nonbelievers to accomplish his perfect Will.
If God is using Elon to rattle the cages of the lukewarm and make them uncomfortable enough to seek salvation through Jesus, then so be it. I don’t know, but I do know that God can do literally anything he wants.
Above all regarding Elon, I pray that God saves his soul. His money and intelligence are worth nothing in the coming Kingdom.
The saddest part of all of this is that many fake Christians are looking to Elon to save them from discomfort. They don’t even realize that discomfort is a gift from our savior. Discomfort makes us change, and we must change dramatically in order to fully follow Jesus.
God bless you and your house. May God put his full spiritual armor on you each and every day.
Julie, Right! Today's C&C calls us to our best selves. Time to be respectful, mature, logical, accountable. Drop the personal, childish, name-calling putdowns. There is serious work to do!
1st thing to do is not to believe anything coming from corporate media. They are tools of the deep state and big pharma. 2nd is to let our MAGA leaders know of our opinions, loudly if need be. That's how it works. No one gets a free pass. America 1st and then everyone else.
The second thing is to carefully examine who you follow for news and information. Four years of Biden and his puppet-masters & 3 letter bureaucrat dictators running the show has wrought an army of doom-bloggers whose paydays are predicated on clicks. Not saying blanket trust any of them - Trump, Vivek or Elon - but we are going to have to learn to pick our battles, and fight smarter. If things start returning to some semblance of normal, who is going to follow their outrage machines? Yeah they may call themselves Conservatives, but they want to keep you stirred up.
Polar opposites of Jeff Childers, who has talked me off the mental 'ledge' on many issues these past 3 years.
Well said, Donna!
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I’m dismayed by the number of people that still listen to Fox, and some others. People think because we won they are somehow able to be trusted again. Nope. Until the media is dismantled in a way that can be seen by the nekkid eye…..I won’t give them one ounce of my brain. Even some of my conservative, wide awake family and friends will watch Fox News and claim what they say as truth 🙄. It turns my stomach. How easily we forget 😔
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And when they had finished everything according to the Law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee, to their own city of Nazareth. Now the Child continued to grow and become strong, being filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him. And His parents would go to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. And when He became twelve years old, they went up there according to the custom of the Feast; and as they were returning, after finishing the days of the Feast, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. But His parents did not know. But supposing Him to be in the caravan, they went a day’s journey, and they began searching for Him among their relatives and acquaintances. When they did not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem searching for Him. And it happened that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions. And all who heard Him were astounded at His understanding and His answers. When they saw Him, they were astonished, and His mother said to Him, “Child, why have You treated us this way? Behold, Your father and I have been anxiously searching for You.” And He said to them, “Why is it that you were searching for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father’s house?” But they did not understand the statement which He had spoken to them. And He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and He continued in subjection to them, and His mother was treasuring all these things in her heart. And Jesus was advancing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.
— Luke 2:39-52 LSB
Funny, I used to always read this as Mary And Joseph headed home in the caravan, and just not tracking where their son was at. Then, I considered that Jesus being the oldest, with possibly 4 or 5 younger siblings, was not missed easily. Mom and dad were very busy.
"I thought he was with you." "No, I thought he was with you."
"Did you not know that I had to be in My Father’s house?” But they did not understand the statement which He had spoken to them. " That has always been puzzling. Had Mary forgotten his was a virgin birth? That he was conceived by God? That she was visited by an Angel?
Maybe it was a continual learning process for her and Joseph as they watched Jesus grow up. Perhaps each day they began to understand more of who He actually was. The incarnation is such a wonder that even with the advantage of hindsight sometimes I cannot quite wrap my head around it.
The H1B visas are such a symbolic summary for so many of our elite’s shortsighted fixes. Musk is arguing for a quick fix rather than mucking through the real work of fixing the education system and training up qualified workers in the US. No, bringing in foreign workers without their understanding of American culture and our way of life is not investing in America. It’s counterintuitive. We see this in so many quick fix programs. The experts tell us that pollution is bad, but we should spray chemicals to shroud the Earth in protective sun reflecting pollution particles because we can’t fix the root of the problem. Let’s start more of these lively discussions before the wealthy and academia push America further into last place, while enriching themselves.
I’m sorry, Elon, we want you to be creating solutions for Americans, not better business growth for wacky space projects. Sure, this might mean a few years of difficulty in fixing the education system and getting American workers trained, but let’s invest in America rather than scrapping the broken locals and replacing with foreign workers. Signed team, Make America Ethical Again or Make America Moral Again (open to suggestions).
SA, I agree that it's two problems with two solutions. One, for current employers, is too urgent to wait to fix American so-called education, if that's even possible anymore. The other is working on fixing American so-called education, for which I still hold out hope, but only if government gets out of the 'education' business, which will be difficult to persuade others about, since in their ignorance they think government schools are normal, whereas historically they are extremely abnormal. School choice laws in states are great starts on showing people that sending your child to a geographically-mandated school with a bureaucratically-mandated curriculum isn't necessary for life to continue. Because of the manufactured 'need' for two incomes (or at least the perception of need), families 'need' 'free' child care, which government schools appear to give them (while actually costing more than private or home education).
Yes, we home educate our kiddo for about $1000-1500 a year, and I know families who do it for less. Thankfully we have the ability to buy pretty much whatever we need/want, for example, a very nice binocular microscope last year for biology labs.
And yes, that means the teaching parent isn't working, thus that income is a "loss." However, money is not our goal. Character and wisdom are. Homeschooling fits well with that.
I still work part time and homeschool but it’s definitely not an option for everyone.
School choice is a sticky one. Many states have lots of school choices: public, charter, private, homeschool, pod school… The issue is school funding channels. Many R’s don’t realize that keeping gov in schools by allocating funds via a gov agency is allowing government to dictate what will be taught at schools receiving the state funding. The other issue is monitoring of funds to ensure the tax payer $ are used properly. But who is to decide the appropriateness of the education? Vouchers in AZ were allegedly used at a planned parenthood. I see this issue as one that needs more vetting and public discourse. Should we offer better tax breaks for parents who step outside the public schools? Removing that gov layer from the administrative costs and putting more money and less regulation on parents should be our goal. Vouches may be a quick fix with unintended consequences.
As a homeschool parent, I choose to private pay for our activities, but there are many strings attached public funding homeschool charters in our area. We had a taste of that many years ago and the ridiculous hoops we had to jump through were not student first initiatives.
We homeschooled all the way, before such funds were available, so I’m pro-homeschooling and have no dog in the fight, other than on principle. I see those funds as a stepping-stone way of decreasing the power of teacher’s unions, teaching parents that there are other ways to educate one’s child, and hopefully reducing attendance at government schools such that they slowly wither on the vine. No one is forced to apply to receive the funds. The possible future problems haven’t happened yet, and I think we can let “tomorrow worry about itself. Today has enough trouble of its own.” (Matthew 6:34) Students trapped in failing schools need help now, not later.
Agree 1000% re funding for school choice. The homeschool organization in our state has roundly opposed any government funds for homeschooling families because money always, always, ALWAYS --> control.
It honestly doesn't cost that much to homeschool. We spend about $1000-1500/year for our kiddo. If we had more than one child, some of that cost would be spread out over several kids, so the cost per child would not remain at $1000/child. (For example, I spent $400 last year for a good microscope. If we had multiple children, that cost would end up being $100-200/child, over the course of our home education journey. As it is, we will likely use the microscope again in the future, so that helps too.)
Maybe we just need an opt in system. You only pay for government-run schools if you choose to send your kids there. That leaves parents money to educate their children how they want and keeps the government from imposing conditions in order for private schools or homeschoolers to receive funding.
No one would do that right now, and if we did, the entire school system, and therefore employment system (since it's 'free' daycare) would also collapse. There needs to be a slow 'glidepath' showing how other options are possible. I don't even mind so much continuing property taxes for education, if it will result in families having the means to pay for alternatives in the short term that gut government education for the long term. Property taxes mostly come from people who don't have children in the schools currently, spreading the cost out. Florida now grants $8,000 per child in school choice money; no one pays that much per year in school taxes.
Of course no one would do that right now but maybe it’s a model we should should consider moving towards. Like your glide path idea. And as far as the money, it doesn’t take 8000 dollars to give a child a solid education. There is so much waste in the system and so many misplaced priorities.
We never spent remotely that much, but as you or someone else also mentioned, we're not factoring in the cost of the principal/teacher/etc., the mom. It does open up great possibilities for those who don't want that direct role, however, of pooling resources to pay a hired teacher, in a microschool type setting, e.g.
Great comment.
And I meant to mention elon’s other quick fix, Ozempic! WHAT?! Is he completely out of touch? RFK Jr has to be shaking his head.
I saw that Santa meme- did Elon actually say he took Ozempic? Or did some "influencer" attempt to start something?
Saw the skinny Santa piece. I'd like to know what exactly is in that now very widely used pharmaceutical! It just had the too good to be true ring to it.
It is a very bad drug. Lots of adverse effects.
Many weight problems can be addressed with a well formulated diet and lifestyle that emphasizes real, whole foods that are devoid of vegetable oils and sugar/corn syrup and other processed carbs. Exercise helpful but often not required. Addressing chronic stress with good therapy and other habits is also often helpful, as many of us self-medicate our anxiety and depression with food.
A respiratory therapist in the distant family jumped on that bandwagon, "because I have fatty liver disease (at 30)." Took injections for a year, dropped 85 lbs! Stopped taking it (which you can't do, it's a lifetime med).... Now weighs in at a few pounds short of where those injections started... Expensive ride down that hill...
That's awful. And that perhaps got all the adverse effect risk as well.
FWIW, although they likely may not care about your opinion, vegetable oils are very associated with fatty liver. So evicting those entirely and replacing with natural oils like avocado, coconut, butter, tallow would help.
The last Lustig stat I heard was that with every pound of weight lost …you also lost 1/2 lb muscle ! So you are actually way worse than when you started. Bad, bad , bad …
Dr. Hyman has a new podcast on it …I’m so curious to listen to it !
It degrades all muscles, too. Heart muscle is known to be diminished after taking the drug.
You are right about our inclination to short term fixes vs actual problem solving. Just look at corporate America, much less our school systems. I think we are watching the devolution of a society. The question becomes can we create a better future? With all this lowest common denominator conversation/confrontation fostered by social media, it's not looking promising.imo, we all need to be the change we want to see.
It is about people/individuals making choices according to their own values. "Social media" wouldn't have any influence/power by itself. People have to take the bait.
Exactly this.
I agree we need to fix the root of the problem. At the same time there are economy's out there like Germany as an example that are crumbling. There will be a huge amount of highly educated talent that may like to come to America and assimilate, have families and enjoy the American way of life. This is not the old world anymore, I believe we should vet and choose people that add value to America. At the same time we should be compassionate toward true cases of good people that have been abused or persecuted. We can accept them if they are vetted and are willing to become good Americans. The open border needs closed immediately. Elon is correct there is a shortage of engineers and we should fill that gap, unfortunately it will take time to correct our educational system, in the meantime let's take advantage of talent that is available so that America remains creative and competitive.
I like the idea, but the reality is that any temporary government solution is a gateway to permanent problems Americans get saddled with. The covid bailout money is one such example. Just look at the state programs that ballooned and then stayed. Our meager state budget grew 50% and we’re still trying to figure out how to get rid of the frivolous programs.
Kurt: LOL - maybe we could trade Americans who don't "add value to America" for some of the offshore people who would!
GM brought in a work force of all Korean workers to build a lithium battery plant in my town.
There is NO doubt the biden/harris voters are just waiting to pounce. All of them, and they will grab any straw they see. This, despite the ongoing “sudden deaths”, turbo cancers, neuro, cardiac and autoimmune disease occurring all over our country. They are also desperately hanging onto their trans, 23 human genders, children identifying as an animal mentality. The question is when will the Biden/harris team be brought to justice?
FJB! et al. will never be brought to justice, IMO.
😔. I had hope that maybe. Just maybe. But I’m losing hope for that. Even with Trump at the helm, with Bidens regime handing out blanket pardons to people not yet even charged with crimes, or prepping to do so on his last day….my hope disappeared. Trump said killary would be in prison if he were in charge, and yet she slithers around spreading her venom to this day. Biden and his regime will go off into the sunset and no crimes will ever be paid for. I hope I’m wrong. But I doubt it.
I know. FJB! doing all this crazy ish is really getting to me. It's soooo disheartening. I guess we should have known his scummy people or he, personally, would throw a huge wrench into unscrewing our country. This would also preclude them starting a civil war or declaring martial law and not letting Trump be sworn in at all.
As a tech worker of 35 years, who has worked with many fine Indian engineers both in India and the US, I do not think we should be hiring from outside the US until we have made sure that our very skilled native engineers are employed. I personally know of too many brilliant American engineers with very strong work ethics, training, experience, and skills who have been out of work for most of this year because they are being passed over by foreign talent. Part of this is because of age discrimination which is the last bastion of legal discrimination in tech. The other part is AI and pure economics. The older engineers are more expensive. It is very painful to watch and I am in the middle of being pushed out of my own tech job for the same reason. (Any labor lawyers out there?) I see both sides and adore my former and current Indian colleagues but there are too many hardworking American engineers sitting on the bench with terrible prospects for future work. Let’s make America great again with our own citizens first! ❤️🇺🇸
Thanks for the great granular information; we need to hear much more from people like you.
I agree, very good comment!
Yep, it is painful. When employers have the choice to make, they seem to pick workers who will work for less. A race to the bottom is no good for America and American workers.