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Based Florida Man's avatar

Fancy Nancy gets premium medical that we plebs don't. No surprise.

The US in 1960 spent 5% of GDP on healthcare.

Costs have gone up so much that now it's 20%, even as medical outcomes have gone down.

Can we fix this?

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Copernicus's avatar

Yeah. We can. It's gonna take a revamp of the entire definition of what it means to be healthy and how to get there.

The last 18 months our family has spent quite a lot out of pocket to address the root cause of a family member's health concerns. Regular docs would have dispensed sleeping med, perhaps some so-called bio-identical hormones, and probably some SSRIs. None of these would have actually addressed or uprooted the underlying matters. They would have created a patient for life and additional unwanted effects.

Thankfully this family member has been willing to do the very hard work of tacking root causes via multiple modalities that support spiritual, mental, physical, and biochemical health. The work is paying off. It's not speedy. But it is effective and wholistic.

We need more of this as a society and medical profession.

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Copernicus's avatar

Also, because I can't edit comments in the app...

A friend once said his blood pressure was fine. He didn't have high blood pressure. Because it was well-controlled with his three (!) meds. 🙄

This person is not dumb. He simply truly believes that as long as the numbers aren't high, he's good. This is a very common mindset. We've all been trained well by doctors and our families and upbringings that we can't do anything aside from depending on the experts to take care of us. They know everything. Surely if there were things we could do to alter our wellbeing, they'd tell us.

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SadieJay's avatar

I have been looking into high cholesterol because I lost 65 lbs, ate VERY clean and my cholesterol shot up from 207 (You need statins!!) to 350. I heard that and knew their gig was up. Done with them! Just like blood pressure numbers, they were made up and calculated by people who don't know. Just guessing guidelines. I have had it with them and put no credence in what 'they' say. I eat ingredients I can pronounce and try my darndest to stay away from poison. I truly think it is the root of so many health problems. I hope I caught on to their scam early enough that it makes a difference in my journey into the realm of the wise old lady.

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George's avatar

I would encourage you to look up Dr. Asseem Maholtra on YouTube. He is a cardiologist from the UK. He says that statins are not affective and cholesterol is not the enemy. He recently released a Documentary called First Do No Pharm showcasing the corruption of big pharma. My doctor recently took me off of statins because I was in my seventies and had never had a cardiac event so it probably was of any benefit.

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79SmithW60's avatar

Doesn't your brain NEED cholesterol to function properly? I've read that that is probably a big part of dementia and Alzheimer's in that folks are not getting enough cholesterol for your brain to function properly, and they have convinced tens of millions that they need to REDUCE their cholesterol because it is BAD, and people are actually harming their bodies with the statin poison. It would not surprise me.

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LiveDreamRepeat's avatar

Accurate. Cholesterol is a VITAL part of our body functions! I'm reading Dark Calories by Dr Catharine Shanahan and it details how the vegetable oil industry demonized cholesterol in order to convince everyone that vegetable oils were the solution. It's a wonderful, fascinating read.

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tjsplace's avatar

I just looked that book up on Google Books, and apparently there is a generous book preview available; one can read the entirely of Chapter One this way. Mesmerizing.

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Robin Greer's avatar

SO glad to hear that you stopped statins. They have such awful side effects.

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SadieJay's avatar

I have read about that, and Mercola as well. I think there is a reason they call it a medical PRACTICE. I don’t feel like being the ‘dummy’ they practice on…like the ones in the CPR classes. I will check out that video. My education has absolutely been supplemented heavily by commenters and Substacks I read. Seems all else is captured. All you have to do is ‘search’ for something and the funneling effect begins. No thanks!

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Clara Strom's avatar

I always had a skeptical view of medical professionals, having one in the family. Now I question every single thing test, vaccine, prescription, etc. I’m taking control of my own health. Too bad it took me 68 years to stand my ground.

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SadieJay's avatar

Amen. We are never too old to slap ourselves around and say “What the hell took you so long?”

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Robin Greer's avatar

Have you seen the book, "Lies I Taught in Medical School"?

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SadieJay's avatar

I have not. Ugh. I don’t know how much more I can know.

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Robin Greer's avatar

🤣. If you have Epoch Times, there is also a video with the author, whose name I can't remember. But the gist was that in medical school the students are told before they graduate that much of what they are taught in school is not true, but they have to figure out what is true and untrue.

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SadieJay's avatar

I do have the Epoch Times. I also get the print paper every week as well. That is ridiculous…medical school! Ha! We, as people, have to do that. Get shoveled loads of lies and have to figure out what is true and what are LIES. Unburdening ourselves from burdens we didn’t even know we had.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Search through Epoch TV and you should be able to find the video.

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Dawn B's avatar

Check these out about cholesterol. I saved these for myself to share about the cholesterol lie.

BECAUSE THEY STARVE THEIR PATIENT'S BRAINS OF CHOLESTEROL “PHYSICIANS CAUSE ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE" https://www.bitchute.com/video/RQ6UYH8BnP6u/

Everything they told you about cholesterol is a lie

https://www.bitchute.com/video/pkkPAmSlIZtG/

High blood pressure, high cholesterol -- causes & solutions

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Evvk0Cfad338/

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Nice links, thanks.

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Fla Mom's avatar

SadieJay, I bet most of that increase was in your HDL, too, which would improve your total chol/HDL ratio (if there's any real meaning in any of it, anyway).

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PamelaZelie's avatar

More people are becoming aware of medical scams but it is a slow process.

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Melissa S's avatar

I doubt it is most yet. I seriously doubt that most doctors are aware and awake, even after these past 5 years. But certainly a growing number of citizens and professionals are aware of the the medical scams foisted upon us by "experts" in our federal regulatory agencies, the medical associations, and Big Pharma.

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Doohmax's avatar

Saw a study out of Great Britain that showed that the lower the LDL of individuals over 65, the greater the chance of death. Higher LDL numbers outlived the Statin poisoned old folks. (I'm 71 LOL)

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Fred's avatar

I remember that, but don’t see the link. Do you happen to have it?

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Doohmax's avatar

Here’s a Chinese study. Not sure if any studies are trustworthy anymore but here are the statistics. link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12020-021-02746-6

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Doohmax's avatar

I’ll see if I can relocate the link.

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Charlotte's avatar

What if an increase in cholesterol just means that your artery walls are repairing themselves? What if there isn’t any correlation to heart damage at all? And the heart calcification number is much more important?

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Fred's avatar

Interesting. BP improves dramatically on ketogenic diet at the same time TC and LDL can skyrocket. Those arteries have to be healthier!

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Copernicus's avatar

Are you still concerned about your cholesterol?

If so, you might want to look up Ivor Cummins aka The Fat Emperor and look at some of his talks from several years back about cholesterol. Also Dave Feldman has looked at so-called hyper responders - people whose cholesterol goes up when eating a low carb high fat diet.

Cholesterol is not the problem. It's part of our body's healing mechanism. And the building block for many necessary hormones like vitamin D, the sex hormones, and others.

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SadieJay's avatar

Thank you for asking. I am NOT concerned about my numbers at all. I am eating what I know is good for me and taking care of myself like never before. And this includes disentangling myself from their system of sickcare. I feel great. As Jesus said “Doctors are for sick people.” And I am not sick.

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Sarcastia's avatar

Getting disentangled can be tricky. Their first line of defense is to ignore, then next to threaten. It's a heartless machine slavishly devoted to big pharma.

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char's avatar

SadieJay--recently read that thyroid can increase cholesterol. Was Hashimoto's mentioned. Just some FYI if interested.

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SadieJay's avatar

All my numbers were great, except the cholesterol. But my mom is 97 and sharp as a tack and has ‘high’ cholesterol as well. Longevity runs in our family.

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Robin Greer's avatar

That was my mom. Hers shot up after she stopped eating eggs.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

And the doctors become vicious if you don't follow their "advice".

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SadieJay's avatar

Luckily I live in a small town with a good doctor, not pushy. She and her nurse got the vax in Jan of 2021, and her nurse retired a year later. Have no idea what happen to her. The last wellness visit I went in to see her and she told me it was time for all these tests...mammograms, pelvic etc. I just said NO. No needles, no bloodwork, no tests. She was fine with that. Told her I was now off Hubs insurance and paid $117 for an office visit (I need to see her every year for a heart med) and I was outta there.

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Sarcastia's avatar

Keep it up!

Your posts are a Godsend.

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Lorita's avatar

unitl things change, we are with you

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Robin Greer's avatar

Exactly. And my sister has been known to get in quite heated arguments with doctors. They are taken aback when someone questions their "expertise."

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Danielle's avatar

😂. That’s me. I manage to piss every single doctor I speak to, off in one way or another.

Only because I question EVERYTHING.

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rolandttg's avatar

That's why you have feet

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Notyours's avatar

Have a look at https://professional.heart.org/en/guidelines-and-statements/prevent-calculator# from the American Heart Association.

My annual physical is Monday, and it's guaranteed I'll again be told I need statins. Yet when I use this, my supposed risk of CVD is 3%. I run 30 miles a week and only eat less than ideal food when traveling for work where choices are limited. Familial - my body wouldn't be making it if there wasn't a reason.

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rolandttg's avatar

The statistics they site for reduction in heart issues uses relative risk, so the 2 % risk you have if you don't take them goes down 50 % to a 1 % risk. (1 divided by 2) Using absolute risk, it goes down 1 %. (2 minus 1. ). Those are the real facts.

They may not be lying, but they are most certainly deceiving.

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Notyours's avatar

100%. My conversation with him will pretty much be "I only took a few semesters of pre-med. But I took a lot of math. Let us dig into all these numbers you are providing and have a chat."

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SadieJay's avatar

100%!!!!! Our body makes the stuff! God made us. Why would I want to stop it? And why would I want sunscreen in the sun when God made us to be naked outside in it? If I want to not get sun I will wear a hat and clothes and sit under a tree, but there ain't no way I am slathering on that crap.

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79SmithW60's avatar

Good on you SaideJay.

From my own experience, I've never felt better since I reduced stress and got off of the blood pressure (lisinopril) and cholesterol meds (xhfehehraerhstatin). I made up the statin name, but most of them I couldn't pronounce so it is as good as any. So that should probably also be an indicator that they aren't good for you.

I take the SuperBeets from HumanN in the chew and powder form as well as the neo40 (for Nitric Oxide support which helps heart and circulation). I take some other supplements as well and we eat as 'organically' as possible.

I think you are going down a much better path. God Bless!

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SadieJay's avatar

Thank you! And thank you for the tips as well.♥

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Susan Seas's avatar

Dr Barbara Oniel said she never worries about cholesterol unless it is over … 450, I believe. She has suggestions of proper diet to help if you can find her videos. Good for you! I took myself off them as well.

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SadieJay's avatar

I always told my doctor NO when she pushed statins. Always. And the number was only 207 when she was pushing. When it hit 350 and I was eating all the good stuff and exercising, I didn't hear a word about them. Go figure that one out.

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Jeff C's avatar

It's akin to unscrewing the light bulb behind the "check engine" light in your car and thinking the problems been fixed.

All of these symptoms are signs that the bodily system is operating outside its normal parameters. The body is an amazingly engineered machine with countless feedback loops that keep things operating in homeostasis (i.e. self regulated balance) in response to external stimuli. But it can only take so much.

People weren't designed to operate on manufactured food (refined carbs, sugar, seed oils, soybean protein, etc.). Once in a while is one thing, but not continuously. None of these substances were in the diet a few hundred years ago, now it's what most people eat. The body tries to adapt but it's running outside the regulatory range of our internal feedback systems. The system switches from tightly-controlled closed loop to open loop. Metabolic syndrome (high BP, heart disease, T2 diabetes, obesity, deranged blood lipids) result.

It's like running a car on kerosene, yeah it might run but not well and for long as it wasn't designed for it. Then the mechanic installs something that hides the check engine light as the repair. The whole idea is so absurd it defies common sense.

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SadieJay's avatar

Absolutely. If I cannot identify what an ingredient is on a label and don't have that ingredient in my kitchen, I don't eat it. I believe, IMHO, that the processed food we eat, as time goes by, turns into a slow poison. God said He put all things on this earth for man to partake of, and I take that seriously. I try to eat as Biblically as I can. I am hooked on dates and figs. And bread with locally milled flour and local honey. Baby steps.

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Jeff C's avatar

So much misery could be avoided if people just ate real food. Mostly meat, fish, eggs, and vegetables, the stuff God gave us. It really is that simple, don't eat stuff made in a factory.

It's not just avoiding additives (which is important too) but the composition. Mixing a bunch of industrially-extracted ingredients into slop that is then formed into edible shapes isn't food. Michael Pollan called this "food-like substances" which is right on the money.

The only animals that get fat (besides humans) are those that are kept and fed by humans. Animals in the wild don't struggle with obesity because they instinctively know what to eat. Yet we think we are too smart to do that.

Edit: Adding that this is what annoys me about the recent campaign to remove additives from Froot Loops. Even without the additives Froot Loops are still poison, maybe just a little less so. Parents without common sense will be duped into thinking it's fine to give their kids this stuff once they take out the additives. No, it's still awful.

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rolandttg's avatar

I might add, it is important to start eating humanely raised meat. Any animal that is raised , or finished, in a CFL Commercial Feed Lot, suffers horribly, and those bad frequencies are transferred to you. Not to mention why would you not care if these animals suffer. It gets me my younger sister in law is vehemently against eating veal, but she and her husband eat fast food every day, where there is a 100 % guarantee the animals came from CFL's. And she helps her brother raise cows.

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Jeff C's avatar

I agree, but I think there's a progression here. If people think they have to go "all in" at once then they are less likely to try it.

1) Get on a real food diet. It's inherently clean and low carb and people almost instantly feel better.

2) Purge the additives and chemicals. Buy organic. Stop eating poison.

3) Maximize the quality of your real food. That is animals humanely raised eating their natural diet. Even when setting aside the ethical issues, factory farming produces unhealthy animals, and eating unhealthy animals isn't as good for people as eating healthy animal products. Feeding pigs slop (as an example) changes the omega-3/omega-6 balance of lard to our detriment.

As people's eyes are opened, they feel better and their symptoms improve. After that they start wondering what else they've been lied to about. The other steps naturally follow.

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rolandttg's avatar

Alll true. The high seed oil diet of chickens is why even organic chickens are not healthy food most of the time

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79SmithW60's avatar

Great thread. A ton of salient information. Thank you all for your wisdom and understanding.

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Jeff C's avatar

I recently saw "healthy" free range eggs and one of the marketing points was "all vegetarian feed". Lol, chickens aren't vegetarians, they eat worms, snails, bugs, and all sorts of other stuff. So much marketing is just outright lies and nonsense, particularly on stuff that calls itself healthy.

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SadieJay's avatar

Right?? It is like taking the orange dye out of a Cheeto. What do you have left? A bunch of bullshit in a bag. Tonight for dinner my son cooked venison backstrap. It was the most delicious thing I have eaten in a long time. His 11 year old daughter killed it, it was her first deer. I am grateful for the circle of life and blessed to know where my food comes from. Well, tonight’s food anyway.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Great analogy. The commercials for diabetes medications that focus on getting BP numbers and A1C numbers lowered drive me crazy.

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Melissa S's avatar

I'm terrible. But I just hate the dancing fat people who are so happy now that they are taking their new drug.

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SadieJay's avatar

All commercials, but especially the ones like "you are not good enough, but this will make you slightly more acceptable!" make me sick. Haha. Good thing they tell me how to get better. Jerks. That is why I do not watch anything with commercials. But being at my mom's house with her and seeing them? It makes me want to flee

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RunningLogic's avatar

Great analogy!

And you’re right about food and diets compared to how things used to be. Another thing that’s different, is that people used to be very active and now are much more sedentary overall. That also has had negative effects on health.

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Jeff C's avatar

Gary Taubes has written extensively on this and he thinks we have cause and effect backwards (I agree with him). His contention is that eating garbage food drives people into a metabolic state where they are prone to store calories as fat rather than burn them as energy (primarily due to the actions of insulin). So those calories aren't available for activity.

So it's not that inactivity causes metabolic syndrome, but that metabolic syndrome causes inactivity. People's metabolism is so deranged that they cannot utilize the calories they have stored. This zaps their energy.

Cleary the old advice of eat less, move, more doesn't work for the vast majority of the population. Just look around, we look terrible, obesity is rampant, and we didn't all just suddenly lose our willpower. Taubes says it results from eating garbage. Obesity leads to people to become lazy gluttons from the resulting deranged metabolism, not the other way around. I think he's exactly right.

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Johnny-O's avatar

My wife was just telling me about a client who they were about to put on some pretty dangerous medications after having her blood pressure wrongly taken at the hospital.....she asked for it to be taken again, luckily.....

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Robin Greer's avatar

So many medical personnel these days can't draw blood or put in an IV or even take blood pressure properly. My sister told me that they even charted her weight wrong. They showed her weight as 196. She weighs 130.

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Fred's avatar

Vitamin D lowers BP, as does a ketogenic diet, although the latter may not be for everyone.

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Melissa S's avatar

Always ask for it to be taken twice if the numbers are high. One has to request that it be taken again. The nurses and doctors will rarely offer to do that, even if they are aware of "white coat syndrome". Major health decisions are made by medical professionals all the time with inadequate and faulty information.

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Kim's avatar

My 17 year old daughter has high lipoprotein A. She was on low level statins, which don’t lower LpA. But the doctor said best practice is to keep her on the statin anyway. ??? Her diet was good and her once high cholesterol came down perfectly. Becoming aware of the scam, and after doing research, I realized statins RAISE LpA in some people. So I was able to convince the doctor that she should try not taking them, even though she would have stoped anyway. Guess what? Her LpA came down to the acceptable level the doctor had suggested, but still slightly higher than usual levels. She does have the genetic marker for LpA (runs on one side of the family- her grandad’s cholesterol and LpA were extremely high) but doesn’t even have the size molecules they worry about. So she’s been statin free. The side effects from the statins disappeared.

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Robin Greer's avatar

My brother in law had to educate his doctor on the side effects of statins. The doctor told him that statins do not have side effects when my BIL refused to take them. My BIL showed him some studies and the doctor was quite dismayed.

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RunningLogic's avatar

It’s crazy how little doctors know about significant things like these! 😕

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Kim's avatar

It’s so crazy that doctors aren’t aware! They seem to have bought the lie that the alphabet agencies are giving them good information. They are very busy people and I think they don’t have the time. Or don’t want to know.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

They seem easily baffled.

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Robin Greer's avatar

🤣🤣🤣

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rolandttg's avatar

I am incredibly scheptical of genetic markers. Most genetic markers are simply lifestyle markers. ie. All your family had a crap diet, so you did too. And so will your kids most likely.

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Kim's avatar

While I am also skeptical, both my father in law and daughter make great choices as to what they eat. However, I imagine there are many other factors involved. Even good choices are not safe, what is being sprayed in our atmosphere, our water, etc.

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Ellen Youngling's avatar

I believe a fall is as good as a pardon for Pelosi and McConnell. If Biden gets away with no prosecution because he’s a frail and forgetful old man, you can bet those two will use it. At this point, it might even be true. Let’s see how Pelosi fares after her surgery, anesthesia and restricted access to wine.

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Curtis's avatar

I deleted the SS app. It's useless.

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Heather LibertyCricket's avatar

Doctors told my mom she didn't gave diabetes any longer. My dad repeated what she said, so I knew it wasn't that my mom didn't understand the doctor (they medically brain damaged her with a botched surgery 20 years ago. so she could have misunderstood or had difficulty relaying what she was trying to say) but there was no mistake: the doctor told them she didn't have diabetes amy longer. I asked her about her meds... if she was off them? And she was not. So I clarified. your diabetes is under good control... they both argued with me that NO. She doesn't have it any longer. Doctor said so. Sigh. So the doctors are doing word salad brainwashing on people and it is working still.

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Copernicus's avatar

Ugh. That's horrible. I've interacted with a lot of doctors and never heard this. Most of the time they tell folks their x,y,z is under good control - not that it is actually gone.

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M. Patrick McCrary's avatar

As a clinician, my mantra for my entire 30 year career was, "I'm for anything that works," in response to my patients who would divulge to me that they had seen or were thinking about seeing a non-allopathic alternative like Chiropractic, or naturopath help such as acupuncture etc. I, like many other clinicians saw a dramatic shift in the way patients were cared for with the advent of the electronic health, (medical), record that was converted into a billing mechanism in which boxes had to be checked in order to achieve maximum reimbursement from insurers. This ramped up dramatically when Obamacare became law. Your administrator would come after you if you didn't put the requisite time into the electronic chart to get that max. payment so clinicians began treating the computer first and the patient became secondary in a sense. From the patient side of things, they are being marketed to directly by big Pharma over the TV and internet so they come into the office with the expectation of being given the latest wonderdrug and shrug off discussions of healthy diets and exercise which is the foundation for health. Often PT, CBT etc., are recommended and even given as referrals but the patient often doesn't follow through. The solution: remove the financial incentives in medicine so the clinician can focus entirely on how best to serve the patient and outlaw pharma marketing directly to patients. These would be great first steps to take but there is a whole lot more reform needed to turn this monster around.

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NinaG's avatar

Yep. Currently, a childhood friend of mine is dying in the hospital. He has liver cancer, his kidneys are shutting down, and he has pneumonia. Upon his retirement, he let Kaiser run (ruin) his life. He is not smart, and he believes that his doctors know everything. He has been vaxxed to the hilt, too. He seems resigned, saying, “Well, I made it to 65, so that’s good!” In his case, ignorance is bliss. I am sad and mad…💔

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Think of those in Italy living to 100, including having daily (local) wine.

https://www.brownhealth.org/be-well/how-live-100-lessons-italy

Note the societal aspect:

"Another strong tenet of Sardinians is the importance of the elderly. Elders are valued, promoted and celebrated as possessing the most wisdom. As a praised member of the family, elders are not placed in nursing homes or rehabilitation centers but rather actively participate in communal life, often living with multi-generations under the same roof. Elders remain active, working and contributing to the family and community by tending the garden, cleaning or cooking."

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P Flournoy's avatar

My nephew who lives in Belgium and is married to a Russian woman has his mother mother-in-law living in their home. This is exactly what she does in addition to helping out with their children when needed and staying at the home while they take many trips all over the world as is the custom of most Europeans. My brother was the worst kind of father, but I am thankful that regardless of that relationship he keeps in touch with me. I have been so impressed with the care. He gives his mother-in-law who is in her 80s.

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P Flournoy's avatar

I just hate that we can’t go back and make corrections on our comments, but hopefully mine will be understood in spite of the errors

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Click the 3 dots to the right of your comment, and an Edit menu appears.

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Charlotte's avatar

I’m so sorry, that is very sad.

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RunningLogic's avatar

So sad 😞

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Robin Greer's avatar

So sad.

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Copernicus's avatar

Treating the computer first and the patient became secondary.

I haven't seen a better description.

The stories that patients have to tell have been lost. And so the understanding of what is needed for healing has been lost as well, although frankly, I don't think that most physicians conventional and otherwise actually have that understanding nowadays. Not from a truly wholistic standpoint - spirit, mind, body.

Recently I heard a conventional MD friend ask another direct primary care MD friend whether the DPC friend actually thinks it helps to have the hour long appointments with her patients. (!!!). My DPC friend said, well, yes, because I get to listen and as I listen, more layers get peeled back. If you listen long enough, most people will tell you what is wrong with them. My conventional MD friend was astonished.

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Bitsy54's avatar

Commiefornia scared everyone into the kill shots. Even my conservative friends succumbed to the BS and got shot up in late 2021 and 2022. They will not acknowledge that their cancers, strokes and heart attacks were planned side effects. 😞

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Gary Anderson's avatar

As I recall, reports from Italy and New York were the beginning of the panic. Bodies stored in freezer trucks, patients in hallways, a very real risk of economic collapse and pressure to rush to a vaccine.

Nationwide testing with positive results sending people to the COVID floors where protocols were isolation at the time they needed to be gotten up in chairs and walked around in keeping with their ability.

Instead, due to protocol, they lay in bed for three weeks as their inflamed lungs deteriorated, isolated from staff and family. Fear drove protocols. I’m deeply sad.

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Michele's avatar

Don't forget IRAN. The "satellite images" of MASS GRAVES IN IRAN?

One of the biggest, fattest, whopper-ist early tells, for me.

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WP William's avatar

National and global vaccinations are the keys to controlling populations... perhaps curtailing cruel pathogenic diseases IS one of the goals but additionally, administering desired side effects into the herd is as well

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rolandttg's avatar

That's what Kissinger said. Once we get them to take whatever vaccine, they will do anything we tell them. And here we are

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

65? That is sad!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Contrast to:

"Retirement at 65 years old is an incoherent thought to a man from Sardinia." (i.e. working = living)

https://www.brownhealth.org/be-well/how-live-100-lessons-italy

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Jkelly's avatar

💯

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char's avatar

M. Patrick--I have been told 2 things. Proper box checked to be reimbursed. Often can be done, but is tricky. Also told MDs are not ''allowed'' to prescribe/recommend alternatives. Did I read licenses could be lost if done? My primary often says: that sounds worth a try, but I am not allowed to recommend. Is this true?

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M. Patrick McCrary's avatar

Hmm, in answer to your second question, I'd say no, that assenting to their desire to try alternative licensed practitioners carries no risk to their own license. In response to your first: the electronic health record varies greatly from one version to another and some are more user friendly than others but coding diagnosis and procedures is how reimbursement is done plus the length of time spent with a patient. The challenge is documenting your note in such a way that you can justify the codes that you're using and that is generally a very lengthy list of things you are required to do in your physical exam and taking of a history. Since 15-20 minutes is the norm for an appointment, the box checking consumes most of that time and it is usually impossible to do all the things that are checked on the exam and history forcing clinicians to perjure themselves at times.

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char's avatar

M. Patrick---thank you for the response. I have not personally had a problem with coding but hear from many others who have. Then at times told--yes, finally a code found! Do wonder if some doing the coding simply have a special talent with words. Hoping never have that concern, but who knows. Very good to hear no consequence for offering alternatives. Misinformed. Thank you. I will now pressure. One thing that offends is lack of eye contact while doctor being efficient, spends most if not all of visit imputing on the computer. I find it beyond disrespectful. I have never examined my records [electronic history] and believe I should as told others have had wrong info entered, this incorrect info is affecting current treatment. Yet I understand a struggle? no a fight to have it corrected. For good or bad I have lately requested to not have record electronically entered. Hope the request is being honored. I am old enough to have been in medical , in a small way. Remember the days doctors had the right to choose treatments. Best to you. And Merry Christmas

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M. Patrick McCrary's avatar

Merry Christmas to you as well!

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Cathy's avatar

How sad !

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Ruth H's avatar

👏👏👏👏excellent advice and needed. Obamacare was the beginning of most what’s wrong with the medical system. Obamacare brought us trans surgeries being covered along with every mental illness they could drum up and freely charge.

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Cousin Clem's avatar

You can't find an insurance code for spiritual healing and people want immediate cures. The current medical system is completely broken.

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c Anderson's avatar

Seriously! Spiritual health is what is needed.

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Copernicus's avatar

Like I said, it takes changing the people's mindsets as well.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Completely...

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Deb's avatar

I totally agree! But the insurance companies actually penalize those who try to use this method to treat and cure a great deal of what aims them. Many people can't afford to pay out-of-pocket for remedies that will actually do some good instead of taking a pill being pushed by the pharmaceutical companies of which the insurance companies will gladly pay for the poison!

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PamelaZelie's avatar

And, most medical insurance will not cover holistic physicians!

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Dena's avatar

And Medicare won’t allow a naturopath to be named as your “primary”, so forced to have an md.

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NDCrouch's avatar

Actually your PCP doesn't have to be an MD, a DO will do.

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Dena's avatar

I didn’t know! Thanks.

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Copernicus's avatar

Insurance companies don't penalize us for using alternative care, unless by penalize you mean that they don't pay for the care.

We need to abolish/abandon insurance for everything except catastrophic care. Insurance has driven prices higher. Lots of docs don't mind prescribing expensive drugs and tests because "insurance will pay for it." Prior to insurance being expected to pay for things, docs were a bit more circumspect about what they ordered, knowing the patient would have to pay.

Now docs are circumspect because they know THEY will have to pay. Not a great incentive for offering great care.

We don't expect our car insurance to pay for maintenance and regular wear and tear on our cars. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I am fully aware that some folks can't pay for alternative care. However, more can afford it than they think.

I have another family member who continues accumulating medical condition after condition. This person would benefit immensely from a good wholistic provider - and would save themselves a lot of heartache and distress. However, because it's not covered and (AND!) because this person operates from a victim mindset, they are not willing/able to exercise sufficient autonomy to do so.

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Deb's avatar

I understand what you are saying. But I know for a fact, first hand that an insurance company will not pay for some meds that are more natural and not synthetic vs. A synthetic drug that can harm or cause other issues. And I have excellent health care.... but may now use Medicare as 1st provider 😡

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Copernicus's avatar

Yes, I know that insurance often refuses to pay for natural stuff.

I meant that "penalize" connotes an extra "ding" for using alternatives. Like, hey, if you are going to use Armor thyroid to treat your low thyroid, then we aren't paying for your thyroid blood work. That's the sort of penalty that "penalty" implies.

People are 100% free to use whatever care they like. It just may not get paid for by the pHarma bought insurance companies.

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Dorota's avatar

This is exactly what needs to be changed, reward people that take care of their bodies and stop using big pharma.

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Bextress's avatar

Funny that we can use our HSA for bandaids and ibuprofen, but not homeopathy?

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P Flournoy's avatar

Maybe Bobby Kennedy will correct that

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CHop's avatar

Amen! My doctors are Dr. Mercola, FLCCC, Midwestern Doctor substack, and my acupuncturist.

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Just_Henry's avatar

Vitamin D🌞

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rolandttg's avatar

Just had a test, my lowest yet. 90. And it's winter, so no sun tanning.

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Cousin Clem's avatar

Just be aware that serum VitD levels don't mean anything. If you have high serum levels, you probably have too much. Vit D is stored in the fat and released as needed. Adding synthetic D3 to your diet is not the same as getting it from animal products like unprocessed cod liver oil or animal liver. Synthetic D, which is all D in pill form, makes an excellent rodenticide because of it's ability to cause calcification of the arteries. It bypasses your body's ability to get too much. Avoid doctors and their useless tests that get you to scarf down more pills.

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HoneyPot4Freedom's avatar

That is AMAZING to hear!!! Well done! It’s definitely hard work but it absolutely can be done!

My company educates practitioners who want to help their patients using functional medicine and getting to the bottom of the chronic disease. It’s so rewarding to see their case’s successes!

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Fred's avatar

Reading recently about the cognitive benefits of MCFA’s (like MCT oil) even when person is not following a ketogenic diet. LMK if you would like the link, and I’ll look.

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Sarcastia's avatar

Yes, please post it.

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Carol M's avatar

It’s absolutely incredible what conditions can be eradicated by eating healthy, organic, simple veggies, fruits, meats. I’ve eradicated terrible back pain, foot pain, shoulder issues. Walk 5 miles a day, drink 1/2 oz of water for every pound of body weight, religiously, and eat non-processed foods only. Got off of taking thyroid medication after 28 years and simply take a kelp supplement every morning. Life changing. I used an elimination “diet” called The Plan (Amazon). So many issues we have are caused by inflammation.

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Copernicus's avatar

Congratulations and best wishes for continued success!

This person already ate a pretty clean diet. And had experienced quite a lot of benefit from that several years back.

Health can be multi-faceted and layered, and in this case, required more than diet alone could support.

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Peace's avatar

Was The Plan difficult to stick with? Any weight loss? Never heard of it!

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Carol M's avatar

Actually it was quite easy for me. The first three days are the most specific and then you start adding foods back in. The Author of the book on Amazon is Lyn Genet-Recitas. There is cooking involved and I found the easiest is to cook quantity and freeze portions. Sprouts and Trader Joes has everything you need including any supplements you may want. I recommend reading the entire book and then deciding if you are able to do it. So much incredible information in the book. Also all recipes are easy and in the book. I also lost ten pounds and continue to keep it off because I continue to eat this way since my inflammation is gone and my energy is incredible.

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Peace's avatar

That sounds amazing! Thanks for the followup reply!

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Adriana J. Garces's avatar

Thank you very much! And thankful for your family’s improvement. :) This IS how we fix it.

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Barbara ( Portlander😵‍💫)'s avatar

Maybe you could teach a class on your findings

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Copernicus's avatar

Well, it's still a process. Thankfully this person has had the support of several likeminded professionals who have supported by way of their expertise. And yes, I mean expertise in the rich and good meaning of the word. They want to see true growth and healing, not just survival.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

I was going to say - how about starting with good old fashioned healthy lifestyles, personal accountability, cutting out addictions and crap food? That would solve most of the problems right there.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Stop seeing your Dr. !

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Copernicus's avatar

Well, for some things, yes.

Sometimes we truly need some kind of support for our biochemistry and physical wellbeing. So, find naturally minded people. Naturopathic physicians, chiropractors (some), and the like.

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Just_Henry's avatar

Doctors are hazardous to your health😳

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Certainly the Baffled ones are.

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Margaret Allison's avatar

Stand up for what is right with your Dr. ! Push back on the wrong!! I did!

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Pat Wetzel's avatar

There is an old saying that in the future there will only be two types of docs. Orthopods for broken bones and psychiatrists for everything else. The overall sentiment of looking inward for healing is one to listen to IMO

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rolandttg's avatar

Psychiatrists are quack monsters. There is no criterion whatsoever for the drugs they prescribe, and virtually none of them know how to get you off those dangerous addictive drugs. Monsters.

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Jeff S's avatar

Yeah, Nancy doesn't have to worry about UHC denying her claims...

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🌱Nard🙏's avatar

Fun fact…Luigi didn’t even have UHC coverage. More media malfeasance. Smoke and mirrors. Slight of hand. Distractions. All the icky things…!

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Mary H.'s avatar

The entire Luigi story is suspect… looks like another patsy ?

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Barbls's avatar

I don't think he's a patsy. I think he's a hired assassin who will be well taken care of by our gangster government. All the permission by the AOCs, Liz Warrens, Jimmy Kimmels to murder CEOs based on this horrendous act are calls for demented leftists to commit more murders in the name of "justice."

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c Anderson's avatar

Hawaii is a training camp for terrorists. Mangione and Routh.

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Fred's avatar

I can name another.

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WP William's avatar

rhymes with O'Bombya?

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WP William's avatar

Willing hireling or set-up patsy, certainly the abundance of both professional and amateur independent contractors for, mercenary operations, infiltrating, spying/directing, feigning radicalization or even genuine (intentionally inflicted) mental health problems; this has been a one off or even a 2 or 3 off method for key events; killing politicians since at least Lincoln, "surprise attacks", anti-war protests, OKC bombing, Vegas shootings, Floyd-Chauvin, nearly everything this well covered is INTENTIONAL, or if a story is quickly buried (like Jan 6th pipe bombs) also was Intentional but coverage deemed adverse.

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KCwoofie's avatar

I think someone intelligent and mentally unbalanced it’s not an oxymoron it’s the criteria for recruitment.

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c Anderson's avatar

I have some seriously mentally “handicapped” friends who are more intelligent and morally sound than these murderous criminals Mangione and Routh. I believe there is no such thing as a smart criminal. Clever, yes…smart is a big NO.

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rolandttg's avatar

I don't think he's dead.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Whole thing stinks like a psyop....

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carily myers's avatar

agree, "how to set up a red flag attack 101"

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CHop's avatar

And all the evidence layed out for the public in a few short days! And, of course, it occurred conveniently in Alvin Bragg's district.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Yeah...more.... look here....but not here.

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Carlos's avatar

Nope….but GOD can.

Let’s not miss the point, HE wants her out.

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sadie's avatar

Don't feed the monster... get off all meds. Find a dr who will help you with that goal, if needed.

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JT's avatar

RFKjr is gonna give it a shot!

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PamelaZelie's avatar

🙏🙏🙏

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LP's avatar

Everyone should try reading A Midwestern Doctor's substack. It is fascinating and extremely useful. He recently wrote articles about the high blood pressure "scam," as well as one about the push to unnecessarily put people on statins. Your eyes will be opened, in a very good way. And the comments on his pieces are always full of good info from others' experiences.

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Peace's avatar

I believe Midwestern Doctor is a "she" :)

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Sumter53's avatar

Not only does Fancy Nancy get the special health care treatment, she is most known for her ability to milk even more perks paid for by the taxpayers. She is a frequent world traveler using “congressional delegation “ or CODEL for her jaunts. These specially equipped jets are fully bar stocked (probably like her gourmet ice cream freezers) with top notch liquor. Because she brings her entire family with her, it stands to reason that the food is also not too shabby. They don’t call her the CODEL QUEEN for nothing.

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

This will sound horrible,and I truly don’t care.i hope that no matter how good her care is, after drinking herself into a stupor every day by 1100, she gets to experience what most elderly ladies do when they break a hip. A long, painful rot in a bed on her way to hell. Sorry,not sorry.

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Susan Seas's avatar

What easier way to get rid of her than for her to “die” overseas. The days later connection to the health care guy’s shooting is interesting.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

I can't argue with that, AD. What are the odds Mitch and Nancy tumble, Wray exits stage left, and serious dirt comes to light on Marc Elias all in concert? No surprise that Sodom burned, Jericho’s walls came down, and Noah’s ark floated. Meanwhile, our prayer war continues, so thank God for “coincidence.”

Here’s my big challenge, and I hope it challenges me for months to come. “Do not gloat when your enemy falls; when they stumble, do not let your heart rejoice” (Proverbs 24:17). “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” (Matthew 5:44). He “wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth” (1 Timothy 2:4). Even a Pelosi. Still, knowing “their foot will slip. Their day of disaster is near, and their doom rushes upon them” is worth commemorating (Deuteronomy 32:34-35).

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Pat Wetzel's avatar

Avoid allopathic care as much as possible

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Lorita's avatar

I used to get my labs & tests paid for by Medicare...until I started seeing an ND for IBS. I paid out of pocket for his help because I was desperate and only getting the "here take this" from allopathics. Almost immediately Medicare stopped paying for my labs that other people were getting paid, same labs. My ND doesn't take Medicare and therefore it seems to me the powers that be literally are trying to put good doctors out of business because they don't play the "game". If I wanted to stop receiving Medicare I would also have to stop receiving Social Security payments according to their own information. This is a travesty against freedom; Congress getting the best healthcare while we are tied to Obamacare doesn't help me feel warm and fuzzy.

Then I saw this vid and it only confirmed what I already knew: https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/93/84/77/9384775ec456725de4f60a74fd9d4d38.mp4.

My husband and I have decided until things change we probably won't use their system unless it is an emergency, especially after witnessing the scamdemic. We are both 76 so looking forward, hoping and praying for good to come out of this. It is so huge that it has to be a God thing.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Pelosi is the one who always likes to talk about the "Doc fix" - which is code words for we will allow the docs to charge an exorbitant price for getting us on life long meds, we will only require a certain percentage of that be paid by "health care" insurance providers. We will earmark billions upon billions in Citizens tax dollars to cover the difference between the ask and the cover when "Docs" submit their taxes. And the "docs" and insurance providers will kick back a certain amount to DC! Everyone goes home happy and rich except we patients of this crime syndicate.

And people wonder why I advocate for the 2A against corrupt and tyrannical government. Pocahontas at least got that right, "you can only push people so far".

On the bright side, often times, when a prehistoric dinosaur like pelosisaurus breaks a hip, it starts them on the road to judgement at the Pearly Gates. Just sayin....

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RunningLogic's avatar

Just had to 🤣😆 at “pelosisaurus” 😂

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

A particularly ugly and ancient omnivore (gluttonous especially for human blood and gourmet ice cream the masses cannot afford) with highly arching eyebrows, venomous vampire like fangs, mammary glands which hang down to its knees, and a penchant for stealing whatever it can get its wretched, spiny, scaled little hands on - especially insider stocks. A nasty creature well past it's expiration date.

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Brad Paye's avatar

Put all Washington Politicians on Obama care and see how fast they fix it.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

It would be nice if DC were bound by the laws they pass.

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Inverted Pyramid's avatar

Isn’t the Military an ‘out of network’ provider?

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Conservative Contrarian's avatar

As Nancy said about BO care, we need to pass it to find out what's in it.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

And people nodded sagely and said, "That makes sense"!!!

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NAB's avatar

You know what's interesting? I was watching a playback of FOX 2016 Election Coverage and all the panelists confidently predicted that the FIRST THING Trump would do is repeal and replace Obamacare. "Hah!" I guffawed and remembered how that duplicitous snake McCain worked non-stop to oppose Trump from the beginning. There was no honeymoon or good faith on offer from either party's "leadership." The knives came out early and were never retracted. I don't care how roughshod he rides over DC. Go get 'em, Trump!

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Carrie's avatar

But no matter how good her healthcare is, nobody can beat the fact that a hip fracture in a frail octogenarian carries a very high mortality rate. Just saying…

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