No, you are not. People in conservative have been saying it for a long time, but of course being called racists for doing so. I think the first person I heard say it was Rush Limbaugh maybe 20 years ago. AA is a boil on the butt of meritocracy.
I have lost out on 2 occasions when I know for a fact that I was the far better candidate. In both cases, the AA hire was a dismal failure and one of the companies approached me 6 months later after the AA hire left the company.
Working for DHS, I was told that "There are too many old white men" in the department. I was about to be interviewed for a promotion. They told me it would be good practice for next time. Later, a manager took me out to the parking lot and told me, "Treat this guy with kid gloves, and you know why". I'll take a polygraph that both these things are true. Btw, they hired the minority who I had to help with her reports three years later.
I (as a white male) was told "not to bother" applying to work at NCAR in Boulder when touring with my meteorology class in the early 90s. Having seen their Cray supercomputer I was all in on signing up.
This is how Communism works. It is totally insane. And since the insanity levels everything in its path, society runs to ruin by sheer incompetence and misallocation of all resources including capital ... the whole thing fails. The caveat is that it took the Soviets seventy-five years to shipwreck th ship of state. But on the other hand, the United States and its tawdry empire now seems to be fast tracking.
Here's an example ... Green Everything. Take EV ... and now reports of car battery chemical fires which cannot be the fire department, some burning down house with attached garages. And now I heard in a financial news video that the inside scoop is that auto makers are pestering congress to change the regulations because nobody wants electric vehicles. Shifts had to be shut down because the shine is off.
DEI hires are, in economic parlance, a misallocation of labor.
Been there myself, after twenty years in Kodak as a power plant engineer, got passed over because I was the wrong color and sex. Proven to me by friends in the business. There aren’t a lot of us,so the community is very small, and everyone knows everyone else. We were highly sought at one time, and about thirty years ago, things changed.
I got my bachelors degree from what was known as the “Harvard of the South” (which doesn’t sound as good as it used to). I worked in the Financial Aid office throughout college. Two fellow female ChemE students (one lower/middle-class white, one “Cosby family” black). Both there on scholarships, although the black girl’s family had a ton of $. The white girl worked a lot of hours to pay for things her scholarship didn’t cover. The black girl didn’t need to work and had a lot of fun. Both of their grades suffered. The white girl had slightly under a 3.0; the black girl struggled to maintain a 1.0. Guess who lost her scholarship and had to drop out? Guess who had *multiple* job offers upon graduation? When I complained about the unfairness of it all to my boss (Dean of Financial Aid), he said, “my hands are tied.” This was 35 years ago...
I graduated from a highly esteemed private uni in the South. As I was finishing law school there, I had a discussion with the Dean about seeking a career teaching at the university level.
He told me, " You'd make an excellent professor, but there are three problems: You're white, you're male, and you're Catholic."
Ugh! At least I have the “female” part going for me. I can’t imagine trying to compete these days as a straight white male. So many view you guys as toxic. It’s depressing!
My granddaughter fits the profile of the "outcast white girl who worked hard and lost her scholarship". It rattles my cage to the "nth degree" to see the "favoritism" exhibited to lazy, partying kids who get the "breaks" because they fit a "racial profile". Everything is TOPSY TURVY - and has been for many decades. GOD HELP US!! We haven't much time left to save the remainder of our personal/medical freedoms. LOCAL, LOCAL, LOCAL (& POSSIBLY STATE) should be the key focus of us conservatives.
I'm so sorry to hear that about your granddaughter. It must be horribly frustrating for you and heartbreaking for her. That's a tough 'lesson' to learn at that age, especially when the 'lesson' is so awfully stupid and backwards. A better lesson to learn is exactly what you stated: we have to focus where we can make a difference. I hope your granddaughter never doubts her worth and that she found a solution that works for her!
Hannah (my granddaughter) is very focused on her goal - to be a kindergarten teacher in the PUBLIC schools (I pray she can handle the horrid behavior - of even the "little kiddles" because so many of them were raised under horrific home conditions). Hannah also has the unswerving support of her parents and her betrothed (they are to be married this July - I am SO looking forward to their wedding!).
Congratulations to your granddaughter!! We certainly need good teachers, especially for the littles to get them started on the right foot. I wish her (and you) the best!
LOL! I actually went to Vandy. (I know there’s always been a lot of smack talk about which one is the “Harvard of the South”. Now I imagine a lot of us from both are more than willing to relinquish the title!)
A really interesting book on this subject is "In Defense of Elitism" by William Henry III. He was a liberal journalist who passed away shortly after the book was published in 1995. It is a good read. Very unpopular amongst the Leftists in the mid 1990s.
I can bear witness that in education, some cannot be fired, and they full well know it.
Like one who threatened to shoot up the school, starting with the Principal’s secretary. Turned out she had made this threat to several individuals before me, but I was the one to report it. At which time, several individuals came forth to cover their asses.
There was an investigation and we had to give testimony. The state dealt with it by mandating psychological counseling and placing her in a non instructional environment for several months. Then she was placed as the teacher of an autistic classroom in an elementary school that sat directly behind the school she had threatened. The same place where most of us who had given testimony were still working.
I transferred elsewhere to finish out my years.
I have seen things. This ‘cannot be fired’ is not healthy for a society.
You are correct. It sets a dangerous precedent for hiring any of the diverse crowd. A legal battle that can’t be won and high legal costs will make anybody who hires these types have deep regrets when those hires don’t, won’t, or (mostly) can’t, perform at a high level.
That started with the mass formation of "teachers' unions" which we did not have when I was in school (almost 60 years ago--GEESH...hard to believe that).
Am I the only one that thinks Affirmative Action is a total sham and boondoggle?
No, you are not. People in conservative have been saying it for a long time, but of course being called racists for doing so. I think the first person I heard say it was Rush Limbaugh maybe 20 years ago. AA is a boil on the butt of meritocracy.
I have lost out on 2 occasions when I know for a fact that I was the far better candidate. In both cases, the AA hire was a dismal failure and one of the companies approached me 6 months later after the AA hire left the company.
I told them to pound sand.
Working for DHS, I was told that "There are too many old white men" in the department. I was about to be interviewed for a promotion. They told me it would be good practice for next time. Later, a manager took me out to the parking lot and told me, "Treat this guy with kid gloves, and you know why". I'll take a polygraph that both these things are true. Btw, they hired the minority who I had to help with her reports three years later.
I (as a white male) was told "not to bother" applying to work at NCAR in Boulder when touring with my meteorology class in the early 90s. Having seen their Cray supercomputer I was all in on signing up.
This is how Communism works. It is totally insane. And since the insanity levels everything in its path, society runs to ruin by sheer incompetence and misallocation of all resources including capital ... the whole thing fails. The caveat is that it took the Soviets seventy-five years to shipwreck th ship of state. But on the other hand, the United States and its tawdry empire now seems to be fast tracking.
Here's an example ... Green Everything. Take EV ... and now reports of car battery chemical fires which cannot be the fire department, some burning down house with attached garages. And now I heard in a financial news video that the inside scoop is that auto makers are pestering congress to change the regulations because nobody wants electric vehicles. Shifts had to be shut down because the shine is off.
DEI hires are, in economic parlance, a misallocation of labor.
Been there myself, after twenty years in Kodak as a power plant engineer, got passed over because I was the wrong color and sex. Proven to me by friends in the business. There aren’t a lot of us,so the community is very small, and everyone knows everyone else. We were highly sought at one time, and about thirty years ago, things changed.
I got my bachelors degree from what was known as the “Harvard of the South” (which doesn’t sound as good as it used to). I worked in the Financial Aid office throughout college. Two fellow female ChemE students (one lower/middle-class white, one “Cosby family” black). Both there on scholarships, although the black girl’s family had a ton of $. The white girl worked a lot of hours to pay for things her scholarship didn’t cover. The black girl didn’t need to work and had a lot of fun. Both of their grades suffered. The white girl had slightly under a 3.0; the black girl struggled to maintain a 1.0. Guess who lost her scholarship and had to drop out? Guess who had *multiple* job offers upon graduation? When I complained about the unfairness of it all to my boss (Dean of Financial Aid), he said, “my hands are tied.” This was 35 years ago...
I graduated from a highly esteemed private uni in the South. As I was finishing law school there, I had a discussion with the Dean about seeking a career teaching at the university level.
He told me, " You'd make an excellent professor, but there are three problems: You're white, you're male, and you're Catholic."
Ugh! At least I have the “female” part going for me. I can’t imagine trying to compete these days as a straight white male. So many view you guys as toxic. It’s depressing!
My granddaughter fits the profile of the "outcast white girl who worked hard and lost her scholarship". It rattles my cage to the "nth degree" to see the "favoritism" exhibited to lazy, partying kids who get the "breaks" because they fit a "racial profile". Everything is TOPSY TURVY - and has been for many decades. GOD HELP US!! We haven't much time left to save the remainder of our personal/medical freedoms. LOCAL, LOCAL, LOCAL (& POSSIBLY STATE) should be the key focus of us conservatives.
I'm so sorry to hear that about your granddaughter. It must be horribly frustrating for you and heartbreaking for her. That's a tough 'lesson' to learn at that age, especially when the 'lesson' is so awfully stupid and backwards. A better lesson to learn is exactly what you stated: we have to focus where we can make a difference. I hope your granddaughter never doubts her worth and that she found a solution that works for her!
Hannah (my granddaughter) is very focused on her goal - to be a kindergarten teacher in the PUBLIC schools (I pray she can handle the horrid behavior - of even the "little kiddles" because so many of them were raised under horrific home conditions). Hannah also has the unswerving support of her parents and her betrothed (they are to be married this July - I am SO looking forward to their wedding!).
Thank you for the compassionate comment, Deb!!
Congratulations to your granddaughter!! We certainly need good teachers, especially for the littles to get them started on the right foot. I wish her (and you) the best!
Sorry, as you know -- Harvard is (or was) “the Duke of the North”!
LOL! I actually went to Vandy. (I know there’s always been a lot of smack talk about which one is the “Harvard of the South”. Now I imagine a lot of us from both are more than willing to relinquish the title!)
At this juncture...I would rather be from Clemson!
Recently remembered that Ancestry.vom DNA test labeled me as being 0.03% West African.
So from now on, I insist on being called F'red. N*gg* PLEASE!
No, you are not.
A really interesting book on this subject is "In Defense of Elitism" by William Henry III. He was a liberal journalist who passed away shortly after the book was published in 1995. It is a good read. Very unpopular amongst the Leftists in the mid 1990s.
Nope.
No.
I can bear witness that in education, some cannot be fired, and they full well know it.
Like one who threatened to shoot up the school, starting with the Principal’s secretary. Turned out she had made this threat to several individuals before me, but I was the one to report it. At which time, several individuals came forth to cover their asses.
There was an investigation and we had to give testimony. The state dealt with it by mandating psychological counseling and placing her in a non instructional environment for several months. Then she was placed as the teacher of an autistic classroom in an elementary school that sat directly behind the school she had threatened. The same place where most of us who had given testimony were still working.
I transferred elsewhere to finish out my years.
I have seen things. This ‘cannot be fired’ is not healthy for a society.
You are correct. It sets a dangerous precedent for hiring any of the diverse crowd. A legal battle that can’t be won and high legal costs will make anybody who hires these types have deep regrets when those hires don’t, won’t, or (mostly) can’t, perform at a high level.
That started with the mass formation of "teachers' unions" which we did not have when I was in school (almost 60 years ago--GEESH...hard to believe that).
I’m remembering the teachers’ strike in Florida about 1967, maybe ‘68. The first thing they must have done after forming was to strike.
But of course--flexing their "corporate muscles" as it were!! IT'S NOT ABOUT EDIFYING EDUCATIONAL STANDARDS--that's for certain!