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Marcus's avatar

In the WH press meeting with the President of El Salvador present, Pam Bondi made it clear that two courts found that this man IS a member of MS-13, and again so did his native country of El Salvador.

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AM's avatar

The J6 committee 'found' a lot of stuff too, didn't make it true. We are not the El Salvador justice system. As best I can tell he was not CONVICTED of a crime in an adversarial proceeding in the United States. All of the things alleged are from one side (and they could be 100% true for all I know - the point is that he wasn't convicted). If the US deems it best to deport him, fine I guess, but sending him to an El Salvador prison with no conviction is wrong. If El Salvador wants to convict him that's up to them.

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Carolyn's avatar

Why are you stuck on this? The man is here illegall. He has NO RIGHTS under our constitution. He is and has been designated a gang member by the country he came from. HE IS HERE ILLEGALLY!!!! HE BROKE THE LAW. THAT MAKES HIM A CRIMINAL. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CONVICTED. HE CONVICTED HIMSELF BY COMING IN TO OUR COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

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Mike's avatar

I have this on copy/paste:

NEVER underestimate the stupidity of the general public!

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AM's avatar
Apr 16Edited

So lay out the facts as they stand right now, with supporting links, as you understand them.

I'm trying to understand what's happening here. Or is Jeff's comment section just supposed to be an echo chamber?

I'm glad people tried to understand what happened to the J6 defendants. Ross Ulbricht. Abortion protestors. Got called stupid there too.

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Johnny-O's avatar

It sadly seems to have turned into an echo chamber. Remember back in the covid days when people here actually had discussions and were open to information? Now its just trust Trump, trust the plan, etc. How about being ethical and following the rule of law? How about being curious?

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AM's avatar

Right? Agree and I love Coffee & Covid like few other things!

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AM's avatar
Apr 16Edited

Good breakdown on the timeline from Groq (which appears consistent with stuff I've read):

https://x.com/i/grok/share/kwggtU3U9qHipTvqBc50nxRr4

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Lori's avatar

exactly, its enough already. Bored now, next.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

He was found by two American judges back in around 2019 to be a member of a gang operating in his home country, he came here illegally, and he had a deportation order but was never deported until the Trump administration caught up with him in Maryland. Not hard to understand.

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Lori's avatar

MAC, she is obsessed with this like a fanatic so I would not even converse anymore. Imagine if she took all that energy and used it to volunteer to help fellow Americans or veterans in need.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

You are right. 😍

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AM's avatar

See what Seeking Grace posted above ^^ Stephen Miller admits himself that there was a 'withholding order' on the deportation order back then.

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AM's avatar

Can you send a link to the order from 2019? Everything I've read and heard is that he was here on an asylum claim and was checking in with immigration. I genuinely want to understand the entire timeline and the facts.

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Patrice's avatar

Apparently, the asylum claim was based on fear of rival gangs. The rival gangs have since been dismantled due to Bukele cleaning up the country. It was a technical error to return him home and the Supremes said that if possible the White House should facilitate a return. Bukele refused. The White House can't and won't kidnap him from El Salvador where he is a citizen. Which is why the Maryland Rep is such a blowhard. He's going to go down to El Salvador and effect a jail break and smuggle an illegal alien gang member into the US? If he ends up in prison in El Salvador, maybe he can be roomies with the object of his concern.

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CStone's avatar

It appears his family wanted him out of their hair. Or possibly they thought he would be away from bad influence. Instead, he was arrested multiple times and let go even AFTER he shot a police officer in the leg.

But let’s cry and moan about him.

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Silent scorn's avatar

This is what was reported last night-the threat of gangs no longer exists as the gangs themselves no longer exist.

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AM's avatar

Thanks Patrice. Agree that POTUS can't be 'forced' to bring him back. At this point it's up to ES. But let's face it ES could probably be persuaded if we really wanted to ($$, trade deals, etc.).

I asked Groq to give me a timeline/posture of the entire case and here's what it spit back. Seemed pretty consistent with stuff I've read.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/tuDlch96AkALJde75Vhv7DbqD

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liz's avatar

WHY WOULD WE WANT TO? GLUTTONS FOR PUNISHMENT? he hasnt hurt enough people yet, lets give him another chance? LOLOL

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I would love to help you out but I have other things to get done right now. But your internet connection is the same as mine, so if you start digging you can find what you’re looking for. Court records are in the public domain and searchable.

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AM's avatar

Check out the vid from Seeking Grace when you get time, if you haven't already seen it. But yeah sure.

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Lori's avatar

If only you put this much energy into helping a fellow American that is homeless or a veteran in need.

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AM's avatar

How do you know I don’t? I’d bet good $$ I have more service members in my family than most people here. I care deeply about the Constitution, conservatism, and this country. Not that I have to justify myself to you or anyone else.

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Lori's avatar

So go be a lawyer since you have so much time on your hands and make a real difference. p.s. I do not want or need your justification. No thank you lol.

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AM's avatar
Apr 16Edited

How do you know I don’t? Lol

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Lori's avatar

You are repeating yourself. Time for some memory supps!

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AM's avatar

Nice ad hominem.

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Lori's avatar

Bored now. Next.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Here is a segment by someone with a constitutional legal background that spends over an hour on the issue you seem to not grasp the importance of - so you can be un-bored. You're welcome!

https://rumble.com/v6s52jn-system-update-show-439.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

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Lori's avatar

Yada Yada Yada SSDD

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CStone's avatar

Wow. I give up.

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