Agreed. My parents married in 1947 and had an “Annual World Book Encyclopedia” for every year through 1974. I never should have gotten rid of them. I would love to see how the creation of Israel was perceived when it happened.
Agreed. My parents married in 1947 and had an “Annual World Book Encyclopedia” for every year through 1974. I never should have gotten rid of them. I would love to see how the creation of Israel was perceived when it happened.
When we lived in England in the mid to late 1950s, my parents managed to buy the World Book Encyclopedia. We didn't have a TV, but I became a voracious reader and every night I chose a different World Book volume and read in it. I did that for years! I wish I still had that old set.
After World War I, when the victors had the opportunity to set new boundaries and parcel out who got what land, the British were given the "mandate" for Palestine, to manage it. And prior to WWI as I understand it, Turkey owned Palestine, and Turkey fought against the Brits in WWI, thus, they were losers and among the victors, Palestine was the British responsibility. Back at that time, what is now Jordan which was across the river, was called East Palestine. Where Israel is now was western Palestine, and where Jordan is - which is much BIGGER than Israel, was East Palestine. But some of the Brits started referring to it as "Transjordan" so gradually people forgot it had ever been part of "Palestine" and actually the biggest Palestine. So when today's Palestinians claim they don't have a homeland - they do, it is now called Jordan but back in the day it was East Palestine. There is a big homeland for the Palestinians, and Jews were NOT permitted to settle there.
The other thing this above article does not go into but I know occurred, from other sources, is that the Nazis were very busy in Jerusalem and within Palestine during the Nazi years. They sent consultants to the Muslims to teach them terrorism, to teach them how to make car bombs, park them in front of hotels to blow up people on the streets. They brought German rifles to shoot at Israeli farmers while they worked on their farm. The Muslims hated the Jews way back then, and they were very much aligned with the Nazis.
Throughout the Holocaust years - anywhere the Nazis went, they instigated roundups of Jews to send them to death camps, or at times, they just had soldiers shoot them all - in Hungary they lined up people on the edge of the Danube River and just shot them, and let the river carry the bodies away - today, there are metallic shoes, a sculpture type of thing, as a Memorial to the people who were shot. Yet - anywhere the Jews wanted to go for safety, most of the time they were not permitted to enter. People got on ships to nowhere, because other countries would not take them in. So -it seems to me it was right to give them a homeland, and that is what finally happened after WWII.
At that point, the UN had voted agreement that this should be done, the Jews should have one place in the world where they could live. And what they got was a tiny patch of desert. Most of who had lived there were the Bedouins who were Nomads, traveled around with their herds looking for water and grass, I guess, but they didn't have "farms." When Israel got the land, they did not make the Bedouins leave and today there Bedouin cities where Bedouins are citizens and can vote in Israeli elections. There are a lot of the original Muslims who were permitted to stay in the land that became the Jewish homeland, who live peaceably and vote. The ones who left who, like our leftists, complain and protest about everything - they didn't have to leave. But anti-Jewish agitators fear mongered, and people left and then could complain they didn't have any homeland themselves - they should have gone to Jordan = East Palestine, but they did not. Then the UN has apparently given them anti-Jewish school books and the children grow up learning how to hate Jews.
And when the Jews got into Palestine and it was their homeland, and the UN had voted agreement on this - the nations of the world agreed - then Israel started irrigating, and they literally made the desert bloom, brought back orchards and vineyards, and food crops - so they made it into a beautiful country.
For a perspective that connects ancient history to modern history, that ties in Biblical prophecy, and that includes some of the above history that I have mentioned, like Nazis working hand in hand with Muslims, though this is not my only source - but read Jonathan Cahn's book The Dragon's Prophecy which I think is very worthwhile.
My family is not Jewish / Israeli, but my mother was a teen / young adult during WWII and married shortly after WWII so I learned a lot of this from her, she was very pro-Israel. And then since then I have read a good bit. I think whatever people hear from Hamas is just propaganda.
My mom got us a set when my kids reached school age. We added on many of the annual yearbooks too. We also foolishly got rid of them once our youngest graduated high school. Would rewind the clock and choose differently too if I could. 🤦♀️
The creation of Israel was because of the historic annihilation of said ppl group. Right or wrong it was an act of God. That's how ppl saw it. It doesn't matter how you think of it today because it was an act of God. Does any person or group deserve protected privileges even if they become murderous? No. Do they deserve to protect their country now? Yes. Have their enemies formed to annilate them again and spread propaganda for their own causes? I'm sure. And I don't know the answer but I don't think most ppl talking about it know either so they have become part of the propaganda machine. Why can't ppl be quiet and WAIT and WATCH until those who have a place and a right to find the truth come out with it. It doesn't happen faster because we all jumped on the band wagon and tooted.
I am in no way condoning the vocal violent objections to the existence of Israel. I suspect way back when, its creation was met with a yawn and a “makes sense “
I'm sorry. I did sound preachy and I didn't mean it to be aimed at you personally. Just frustrated that many ppl don't seem to recognize the present without understanding the past and I really didn't take you as that.
You just said that you wondered and I responded with what I remembered my parents and Grandparents telling us. Otherwise I was talking in generalizations. I hope I didn't offend you.
Agreed. My parents married in 1947 and had an “Annual World Book Encyclopedia” for every year through 1974. I never should have gotten rid of them. I would love to see how the creation of Israel was perceived when it happened.
When we lived in England in the mid to late 1950s, my parents managed to buy the World Book Encyclopedia. We didn't have a TV, but I became a voracious reader and every night I chose a different World Book volume and read in it. I did that for years! I wish I still had that old set.
About the creation of Israel. I think this is an important article https://mosaicmagazine.com/observation/israel-zionism/2021/12/the-forgotten-history-of-the-term-palestine/
After World War I, when the victors had the opportunity to set new boundaries and parcel out who got what land, the British were given the "mandate" for Palestine, to manage it. And prior to WWI as I understand it, Turkey owned Palestine, and Turkey fought against the Brits in WWI, thus, they were losers and among the victors, Palestine was the British responsibility. Back at that time, what is now Jordan which was across the river, was called East Palestine. Where Israel is now was western Palestine, and where Jordan is - which is much BIGGER than Israel, was East Palestine. But some of the Brits started referring to it as "Transjordan" so gradually people forgot it had ever been part of "Palestine" and actually the biggest Palestine. So when today's Palestinians claim they don't have a homeland - they do, it is now called Jordan but back in the day it was East Palestine. There is a big homeland for the Palestinians, and Jews were NOT permitted to settle there.
The other thing this above article does not go into but I know occurred, from other sources, is that the Nazis were very busy in Jerusalem and within Palestine during the Nazi years. They sent consultants to the Muslims to teach them terrorism, to teach them how to make car bombs, park them in front of hotels to blow up people on the streets. They brought German rifles to shoot at Israeli farmers while they worked on their farm. The Muslims hated the Jews way back then, and they were very much aligned with the Nazis.
Throughout the Holocaust years - anywhere the Nazis went, they instigated roundups of Jews to send them to death camps, or at times, they just had soldiers shoot them all - in Hungary they lined up people on the edge of the Danube River and just shot them, and let the river carry the bodies away - today, there are metallic shoes, a sculpture type of thing, as a Memorial to the people who were shot. Yet - anywhere the Jews wanted to go for safety, most of the time they were not permitted to enter. People got on ships to nowhere, because other countries would not take them in. So -it seems to me it was right to give them a homeland, and that is what finally happened after WWII.
At that point, the UN had voted agreement that this should be done, the Jews should have one place in the world where they could live. And what they got was a tiny patch of desert. Most of who had lived there were the Bedouins who were Nomads, traveled around with their herds looking for water and grass, I guess, but they didn't have "farms." When Israel got the land, they did not make the Bedouins leave and today there Bedouin cities where Bedouins are citizens and can vote in Israeli elections. There are a lot of the original Muslims who were permitted to stay in the land that became the Jewish homeland, who live peaceably and vote. The ones who left who, like our leftists, complain and protest about everything - they didn't have to leave. But anti-Jewish agitators fear mongered, and people left and then could complain they didn't have any homeland themselves - they should have gone to Jordan = East Palestine, but they did not. Then the UN has apparently given them anti-Jewish school books and the children grow up learning how to hate Jews.
And when the Jews got into Palestine and it was their homeland, and the UN had voted agreement on this - the nations of the world agreed - then Israel started irrigating, and they literally made the desert bloom, brought back orchards and vineyards, and food crops - so they made it into a beautiful country.
For a perspective that connects ancient history to modern history, that ties in Biblical prophecy, and that includes some of the above history that I have mentioned, like Nazis working hand in hand with Muslims, though this is not my only source - but read Jonathan Cahn's book The Dragon's Prophecy which I think is very worthwhile.
My family is not Jewish / Israeli, but my mother was a teen / young adult during WWII and married shortly after WWII so I learned a lot of this from her, she was very pro-Israel. And then since then I have read a good bit. I think whatever people hear from Hamas is just propaganda.
I feel your pain.
My mom got us a set when my kids reached school age. We added on many of the annual yearbooks too. We also foolishly got rid of them once our youngest graduated high school. Would rewind the clock and choose differently too if I could. 🤦♀️
Jacquijacq,
You can try eBay. You might even want to look for magazines or newspapers for that time period.
The creation of Israel was because of the historic annihilation of said ppl group. Right or wrong it was an act of God. That's how ppl saw it. It doesn't matter how you think of it today because it was an act of God. Does any person or group deserve protected privileges even if they become murderous? No. Do they deserve to protect their country now? Yes. Have their enemies formed to annilate them again and spread propaganda for their own causes? I'm sure. And I don't know the answer but I don't think most ppl talking about it know either so they have become part of the propaganda machine. Why can't ppl be quiet and WAIT and WATCH until those who have a place and a right to find the truth come out with it. It doesn't happen faster because we all jumped on the band wagon and tooted.
I am in no way condoning the vocal violent objections to the existence of Israel. I suspect way back when, its creation was met with a yawn and a “makes sense “
I'm sorry. I did sound preachy and I didn't mean it to be aimed at you personally. Just frustrated that many ppl don't seem to recognize the present without understanding the past and I really didn't take you as that.
You just said that you wondered and I responded with what I remembered my parents and Grandparents telling us. Otherwise I was talking in generalizations. I hope I didn't offend you.