I went down that rabbit hole when it seemed like there was a lot of chatter around food plant fires a couple of years ago. It was a mixed bag, There were also some mass kills due to avian flu around that time. Some of the food plant fires were very limited in scope, like contained to small corner of the plant vs complete destruction. But the number and severity DID tick up in late 2021-22. I never did find a complete chart by year, but More than 2 million farms operate in this country, and about 35,000 food and beverage processing centers. The NFPA doesn’t specifically track fires at food-processing plants. But it does report that roughly 5,000 fires occur every year at all types of manufacturing and processing facilities combined—nearly 15 per day. A lot of these plants are in very rural areas, and very likely the number of firefighters and quality of firefighting equipment is probably a contributing factor to the severity of it. However, this article lists a bunch with links: https://www.food.news/2022-06-22-food-facility-fires-report-full-list.html
My take at the time was that it was concerning, but not as a big of a deal as all the other BS that was happening. We like to smoke turkeys in our smoker for lunch meat and I did have a hard time finding turkeys in the grocery store last summer, but there were plenty of them at Thanksgiving, and chicken has not gone up nearly as much as beef? So who knows!?
Oh, and on the refinery fires. I looked this up and saved it to my files when I was arguing with someone but failed to save the link. Due to environmental regulations, and bureaucratic red tape, we have not built a new refinery in this country since 1977. So we do not exactly have state of the art technology. Regardless of the fire issue, we should be concerned that all of our plants are old, and need to cut some red tape and update this critical part of our infrastructure
Locally, a few years ago, all birds, backyard or commercial, ordered to be destroyed due to "avian flu." The evidence we are the targets of destruction keeps mounting. Drip... drip... drip...
It's hard to discern the truth as there are so many 'independent journalists' that range from Tucker Carlson down to some dude/gal with a studio set up in their home trying to make a living off of clicks. People are already on edge, trust in anything is shot. and so more likely to click and follow some of these folks who are really no better than the MSM. 100 fires seems like a lot but out of 35,000 plants, well, I am sad for the poor animals who perished.
I remember when covid fear porn was ramping up and I was digging into CDC data. I would say oh, yeah, 100K deaths is bad...but did you know 99,000 people die EVERY YEAR from hospital-borne infections? Where are the headlines? (that was 2018 data, no idea what it is now, but likely worse).
Because our culture, and the schools, seems to train people to operate on emotion vs logic and critical thinking. Oh we all get caught up in emotion around issues from time to time, but cooler heads prevailing seems to be rarer and rarer these days. To me, it's a function of the loss (undermining) of trust in our institutions. We (as a society) used to take a lot for granted - that the FDA kept our food supply mostly safe. That our doctors had our best interests at heart. That our government was incompetent, not malevolent. You pull the rug out from under people, and the default setting is emotion when they no longer know who to trust.
Well it's a lonely place sometimes, as you and many of the C&C comment family know. But that is why I love these threads, as you can have rational conversations with people. Even though we are basically anonymous. It's a coffee fueled miracle, lol.
And the upwards of 600,000 Americans that die EVERY YEAR, year after year, for decades from heart disease; and the roughly 600,000 that die EVERY YEAR from cancer. Why are these not public health emergencies? Starting before the turn of the century?🧐 Oh, wait, the treatments are a business model. Sorry, forgot. /s
600,000 people die a year in the US with cancer, not from it. The treatments and/ or the underlying symptoms that created the cancer is what kills people
No argument whatsoever. Two family members have gone down the allopathic medicine treatment path and died. However, the way the numbers are presented, as stark numbers, is enough to contrast with the piss-ant numbers of the emergency that is still in effect for c19. That's my "argument" for a public health emergency. Which I have no illusions will ever be considered a thing. You get my drift.
Supply differences are likely related to the time it takes to raise livestock from birth to meat or egg production (i.e., the turn-around time to raise chickens or turkeys is much quicker than the time to raise beef).
True. I have friends and family who raise small herds of beef cattle. Takes a lot of land and it's a tough business, including calving in blizzards and environmental over-reach. The only 'poultry farmers' I know are people with a half dozen or so chickens in their backyard. Although I do have a friend with acreage who puts corn out for the wild turkeys. Far as I know, she has not harvested any....
😯 Stunning list. Wonder how the frequency of such events graphs over the last 10 years.
I went down that rabbit hole when it seemed like there was a lot of chatter around food plant fires a couple of years ago. It was a mixed bag, There were also some mass kills due to avian flu around that time. Some of the food plant fires were very limited in scope, like contained to small corner of the plant vs complete destruction. But the number and severity DID tick up in late 2021-22. I never did find a complete chart by year, but More than 2 million farms operate in this country, and about 35,000 food and beverage processing centers. The NFPA doesn’t specifically track fires at food-processing plants. But it does report that roughly 5,000 fires occur every year at all types of manufacturing and processing facilities combined—nearly 15 per day. A lot of these plants are in very rural areas, and very likely the number of firefighters and quality of firefighting equipment is probably a contributing factor to the severity of it. However, this article lists a bunch with links: https://www.food.news/2022-06-22-food-facility-fires-report-full-list.html
My take at the time was that it was concerning, but not as a big of a deal as all the other BS that was happening. We like to smoke turkeys in our smoker for lunch meat and I did have a hard time finding turkeys in the grocery store last summer, but there were plenty of them at Thanksgiving, and chicken has not gone up nearly as much as beef? So who knows!?
Oh, and on the refinery fires. I looked this up and saved it to my files when I was arguing with someone but failed to save the link. Due to environmental regulations, and bureaucratic red tape, we have not built a new refinery in this country since 1977. So we do not exactly have state of the art technology. Regardless of the fire issue, we should be concerned that all of our plants are old, and need to cut some red tape and update this critical part of our infrastructure
Donna, great work on all of these subjects, and thanks for sharing these remarks.
I do find the ‘avian flu’ excuse to be suspect.
That does seem to make the rounds periodically....
Locally, a few years ago, all birds, backyard or commercial, ordered to be destroyed due to "avian flu." The evidence we are the targets of destruction keeps mounting. Drip... drip... drip...
Great observations. It’s good to see the whole picture.
It's hard to discern the truth as there are so many 'independent journalists' that range from Tucker Carlson down to some dude/gal with a studio set up in their home trying to make a living off of clicks. People are already on edge, trust in anything is shot. and so more likely to click and follow some of these folks who are really no better than the MSM. 100 fires seems like a lot but out of 35,000 plants, well, I am sad for the poor animals who perished.
I remember when covid fear porn was ramping up and I was digging into CDC data. I would say oh, yeah, 100K deaths is bad...but did you know 99,000 people die EVERY YEAR from hospital-borne infections? Where are the headlines? (that was 2018 data, no idea what it is now, but likely worse).
Yes great perspective. And good point about not rushing to judgment and not just following or trusting any old person because they’re not MSM.
I did the same with regard to Covid deaths and the flu in bad years. The hysterical reaction seemed way out of proportion.
Because our culture, and the schools, seems to train people to operate on emotion vs logic and critical thinking. Oh we all get caught up in emotion around issues from time to time, but cooler heads prevailing seems to be rarer and rarer these days. To me, it's a function of the loss (undermining) of trust in our institutions. We (as a society) used to take a lot for granted - that the FDA kept our food supply mostly safe. That our doctors had our best interests at heart. That our government was incompetent, not malevolent. You pull the rug out from under people, and the default setting is emotion when they no longer know who to trust.
Very well (and rationally!) said!
Well it's a lonely place sometimes, as you and many of the C&C comment family know. But that is why I love these threads, as you can have rational conversations with people. Even though we are basically anonymous. It's a coffee fueled miracle, lol.
Oh I completely agree!! ☕️😁
And the upwards of 600,000 Americans that die EVERY YEAR, year after year, for decades from heart disease; and the roughly 600,000 that die EVERY YEAR from cancer. Why are these not public health emergencies? Starting before the turn of the century?🧐 Oh, wait, the treatments are a business model. Sorry, forgot. /s
600,000 people die a year in the US with cancer, not from it. The treatments and/ or the underlying symptoms that created the cancer is what kills people
No argument whatsoever. Two family members have gone down the allopathic medicine treatment path and died. However, the way the numbers are presented, as stark numbers, is enough to contrast with the piss-ant numbers of the emergency that is still in effect for c19. That's my "argument" for a public health emergency. Which I have no illusions will ever be considered a thing. You get my drift.
Supply differences are likely related to the time it takes to raise livestock from birth to meat or egg production (i.e., the turn-around time to raise chickens or turkeys is much quicker than the time to raise beef).
True. I have friends and family who raise small herds of beef cattle. Takes a lot of land and it's a tough business, including calving in blizzards and environmental over-reach. The only 'poultry farmers' I know are people with a half dozen or so chickens in their backyard. Although I do have a friend with acreage who puts corn out for the wild turkeys. Far as I know, she has not harvested any....