But what would happen only 4 short years later? As Jeff says, there's no Superman and no cavalry. We all need to look in the mirror, to find the people who can save our country.
But what would happen only 4 short years later? As Jeff says, there's no Superman and no cavalry. We all need to look in the mirror, to find the people who can save our country.
Thank you, FM, for stating that. I get so sick of people thinking Trump, or anyone other then each and every one of us, "saving us" from our apathetic excesses.
True, there is plenty of blame to go around when it comes to apathy. But I am sick and tired of people blaming the victim for the crime. There is no question that the 2020 election was subverted in an election ballot coup that installed a Marxist government in the White House against the will of the American people. This coup explicitly began with the Obama regime and continues to this day. Clearly, Biden is not the President. He can't even string two sentences together coherently. Obama, a man who literally hates America, is the one controlling the White House and the Dem Party in an on-going act of treason against the Constitution and the American people. The American people did not elect Biden. The American people are the victims. And Obama has no intention of giving up power. If he has his way, he will continue to be the unlawful dictator by installing his "wife" Mike Obama as POTUS. It is disingenuous to blame the American people for the treasonous overthrow of the American political system by a criminal conspiracy.
I disagree, Phil. We are the People from whence all political authority flows. While the actions you note are all true, at bare minimum 80 million Americans know without a doubt that Biden didn’t defeat Trump. Seems a large enough militia to me. And yet, here we are. Our Founding Document, the Declaration of Independence states clearly what is the People’s obligation and when our action is required when the Preservation of Liberty is at stake. The only thing we’re victims of is our own apathy.
Well, that is a different question. It has been 163 years since Americans have taken up arms to defend against a tyrannical government and, in that case, they lost. When Northerners protested the draft and Lincoln's war against their fellow Americans, Lincoln sent the army into NYC and violently put down the protests firing into the protesters. Lincoln shut down newspapers and arrested editors, publishers and politicians who spoke out against the war. (Sound familiar?) Lincoln even attempted to arrest the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
Since it was only 78 years since the end of the Revolutionary War against British tyranny, it is amazing to me that the northern people of America allowed Lincoln to declare war on half the country. But Lincoln was not shy about using force to impose his will on the people. To what extend mass immigration to America influenced these events is hard for me to say. In 1860, the population of the US was about 31 million. Of that, about 4.1 million were FOREIGN born residents or about 13%, HALF of which had arrived in America in the ten years leading up to the War of Northern Aggression and had no cultural ties with the Revolutionary effort for liberty of 1775. Most of these people settled in the northeast and were from Germany, Ireland and England. On the other hand, the south was composed mainly of Celtic people with strong cultural ties with the Revolutionary war effort against tyranny and, on a percentage basis, had less than a tenth of the amount of immigration as the northern states. I think those dots can tell us a lot.
Today, the US has a population of about 330 million, a ten fold increase since 1860. Just since Biden took office, the best estimate is that 22 million illegal aliens have crossed our southern border. Just based on how immigration changed the political landscape in the 1850's, I think we can imagine what might be in store for us in this decade.
It is one thing to talk about the People's obligation in the Declaration of Independence but it is quite another to resort to such action. After six generations of state controlled public education, how many Americans even understand what the Declaration of Independence says? In any event, it is our obligation to seek change as long as there is an avenue to pursue for that change. It may be that the election this fall could be our last opportunity to effect change without resorting to secession. It is my belief that at some point, push will come to shove and the Marxists in power will take the gloves off. When they do, our only choice will be to try and defend ourselves from this tyranny.
Thank you for not calling it the Civil War. That drives me crazy. At most, 5 % of Southerners owned slaves. This war was about the usual, resources and $. The South was paying 71 % of the Federal budget, and when they got ready to increase that amount, that's when war broke out.
Your understanding and knowledge of history is enlightening, Phil. I appreciate the lesson and information, truly. My take on it is much simpler as I’m a simple man:
Do nothing and we know the outcome of that: our descendants will live lives of hellish desperation.
Or, stand and fight. Now. Don’t wait for provocation because I’ve enough of that. The outcome of that is unknown as are all turning points in history.
But the words of Solzhenitsyn echo out to me now:
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
I have no desire to be a martyr, but never been afraid to die. What I cannot do, is knuckle under to the diktats of tyrants.
I’ve been watching this slow descent into tyranny my whole life. It’s come to this head about 20 years too late; I’m at least that past my prime. But when they come for me, as they will for all of us, I’ll take as many with me as I can.
Thought of this passage many times, and he's right. The trouble is people in the West don't want freedom. They want to be taken care of. Give them their tech toys, some food and shelter, and they are good to go. Pathetic wretches.
This is especially true of the under 30 crowd. They are completely entitled...and dependent. But this is going to come to an end. When austerity hits and mommy and daddy can't afford to support Johnny and Susie, reality is going to bite and the entitled generation will turn on the politicians that promised them an easy street if they vote for them.
Yeah, I'll be right there with you. Solzhenitsyn should be required reading. There is so much to learn from the Russian experience. And the day may come sooner than we realize when they will come for us and we will have no choice but to fight or surrender the way the Russians or the Germans did under their Nationalist Socialist party (NAZI). Tyranny consists of fraud and force. So far, they have achieved their goals through massive fraud and indirect force (mandates). "I will not comply" has been a real defense. But this is coming to an end. When the fraud is no longer believed, all that remains is force. It is at that point that direct force must be used and the gloves come off.
There are 2 or 3 things we have going for us that is unique in history. First and biggest, never has a Marxist coup attempted to take over a population that is as massively armed as Americans are. Second is the large geographical area that Americans are dispersed over. Third, and this ties in with the second point, is the decentralized structure of American government spread out between many jurisdictions. That is very significant. Typically, governments are monolithic and easily taken over by Marxism in one swift coup. That is not America. Each state and each and every county is a separate jurisdiction. That will be our line of defense and our redoubt.
I totally concur. Even IF Trump got back into office, he can't do it alone. He (or any other patriot POTUS) will need all our support to rout the Marxists who have infected the entire USG and many state and local governments. Four years later, hopefully someone like DeSantis can get into office and continue the reforms. It will have to be a combined effort from the bottom as much as it is from the top.
Right now, the odds of this happening are not good. Marxists never willingly give up power. But Milei gives us an example that perhaps it can be done.
Or, - if I don't speak treason though it has been spoken of before; I'm hardly the first - versus "sav[ing] our country," ...secession with establishment of regional entities; or broader geopolitical aggregates, with member states that could be intercontinental. Who knows? If there are shared values in multiple arenas, what's to stop another experiment? Brothers and sisters across the globe could take part in something never before attempted. We take the best of the American experiment and add to it. (No, I don't have any specifics. Boo me out of the room.)
My point is, our country is so divided, the best of it is worth preserving, the unsavory parts need discarding. I think clinging to the whole of the old system, apparently corruptible though that may largely be attributable to a planetary level of consciousness based on competition vs. cooperation, something which I think is changing in favor of the latter, might not be the ticket to advancing humanity. Which, in my opinion, is a more fundamental concept than geopolitics.
Thoughts. Again, nothing concrete, which doesn’t address the who needing to be found to steer the ship, and isn’t terribly applicable in present time. Whew. Tangent. Flight of fancy. I’ll go now.
*edit - the Republican Renegade Order/RRO (credit to Clara for the name), an aggregate of states/peoples, a new nation perhaps. So much to consider and TBD.
At this point, saving it to the extent that we aren't slaves by 10 years from now would be a positive outcome. The Anti-Federalists were so much more correct than the Federalists, but I'd happily settle for adhering to the Constitution for a while.
No argument on your last point - for sure! The rest, it might be time once again for The People to establish some monumental historic precedent around here? Rout out the ruling class. We'll see what unfolds.
Agreed - our country needs more than one man (Trump) to reverse course. I haven't heard much talk about what entities that might be - starting right away would be great.
Peace, everyone can do something - everyone should pick a 'thing' - election integrity on one's county; school board; school choice; recruiting local candidates; whatever, and look for how to help in that area. If even a small proportion of us did that, what a difference it would make.
But what would happen only 4 short years later? As Jeff says, there's no Superman and no cavalry. We all need to look in the mirror, to find the people who can save our country.
Thank you, FM, for stating that. I get so sick of people thinking Trump, or anyone other then each and every one of us, "saving us" from our apathetic excesses.
True, there is plenty of blame to go around when it comes to apathy. But I am sick and tired of people blaming the victim for the crime. There is no question that the 2020 election was subverted in an election ballot coup that installed a Marxist government in the White House against the will of the American people. This coup explicitly began with the Obama regime and continues to this day. Clearly, Biden is not the President. He can't even string two sentences together coherently. Obama, a man who literally hates America, is the one controlling the White House and the Dem Party in an on-going act of treason against the Constitution and the American people. The American people did not elect Biden. The American people are the victims. And Obama has no intention of giving up power. If he has his way, he will continue to be the unlawful dictator by installing his "wife" Mike Obama as POTUS. It is disingenuous to blame the American people for the treasonous overthrow of the American political system by a criminal conspiracy.
I disagree, Phil. We are the People from whence all political authority flows. While the actions you note are all true, at bare minimum 80 million Americans know without a doubt that Biden didn’t defeat Trump. Seems a large enough militia to me. And yet, here we are. Our Founding Document, the Declaration of Independence states clearly what is the People’s obligation and when our action is required when the Preservation of Liberty is at stake. The only thing we’re victims of is our own apathy.
Well, that is a different question. It has been 163 years since Americans have taken up arms to defend against a tyrannical government and, in that case, they lost. When Northerners protested the draft and Lincoln's war against their fellow Americans, Lincoln sent the army into NYC and violently put down the protests firing into the protesters. Lincoln shut down newspapers and arrested editors, publishers and politicians who spoke out against the war. (Sound familiar?) Lincoln even attempted to arrest the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
Since it was only 78 years since the end of the Revolutionary War against British tyranny, it is amazing to me that the northern people of America allowed Lincoln to declare war on half the country. But Lincoln was not shy about using force to impose his will on the people. To what extend mass immigration to America influenced these events is hard for me to say. In 1860, the population of the US was about 31 million. Of that, about 4.1 million were FOREIGN born residents or about 13%, HALF of which had arrived in America in the ten years leading up to the War of Northern Aggression and had no cultural ties with the Revolutionary effort for liberty of 1775. Most of these people settled in the northeast and were from Germany, Ireland and England. On the other hand, the south was composed mainly of Celtic people with strong cultural ties with the Revolutionary war effort against tyranny and, on a percentage basis, had less than a tenth of the amount of immigration as the northern states. I think those dots can tell us a lot.
Today, the US has a population of about 330 million, a ten fold increase since 1860. Just since Biden took office, the best estimate is that 22 million illegal aliens have crossed our southern border. Just based on how immigration changed the political landscape in the 1850's, I think we can imagine what might be in store for us in this decade.
It is one thing to talk about the People's obligation in the Declaration of Independence but it is quite another to resort to such action. After six generations of state controlled public education, how many Americans even understand what the Declaration of Independence says? In any event, it is our obligation to seek change as long as there is an avenue to pursue for that change. It may be that the election this fall could be our last opportunity to effect change without resorting to secession. It is my belief that at some point, push will come to shove and the Marxists in power will take the gloves off. When they do, our only choice will be to try and defend ourselves from this tyranny.
Thank you for not calling it the Civil War. That drives me crazy. At most, 5 % of Southerners owned slaves. This war was about the usual, resources and $. The South was paying 71 % of the Federal budget, and when they got ready to increase that amount, that's when war broke out.
Your understanding and knowledge of history is enlightening, Phil. I appreciate the lesson and information, truly. My take on it is much simpler as I’m a simple man:
Do nothing and we know the outcome of that: our descendants will live lives of hellish desperation.
Or, stand and fight. Now. Don’t wait for provocation because I’ve enough of that. The outcome of that is unknown as are all turning points in history.
But the words of Solzhenitsyn echo out to me now:
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
I have no desire to be a martyr, but never been afraid to die. What I cannot do, is knuckle under to the diktats of tyrants.
I’ve been watching this slow descent into tyranny my whole life. It’s come to this head about 20 years too late; I’m at least that past my prime. But when they come for me, as they will for all of us, I’ll take as many with me as I can.
Thought of this passage many times, and he's right. The trouble is people in the West don't want freedom. They want to be taken care of. Give them their tech toys, some food and shelter, and they are good to go. Pathetic wretches.
This is especially true of the under 30 crowd. They are completely entitled...and dependent. But this is going to come to an end. When austerity hits and mommy and daddy can't afford to support Johnny and Susie, reality is going to bite and the entitled generation will turn on the politicians that promised them an easy street if they vote for them.
Sadly true.
Yeah, I'll be right there with you. Solzhenitsyn should be required reading. There is so much to learn from the Russian experience. And the day may come sooner than we realize when they will come for us and we will have no choice but to fight or surrender the way the Russians or the Germans did under their Nationalist Socialist party (NAZI). Tyranny consists of fraud and force. So far, they have achieved their goals through massive fraud and indirect force (mandates). "I will not comply" has been a real defense. But this is coming to an end. When the fraud is no longer believed, all that remains is force. It is at that point that direct force must be used and the gloves come off.
There are 2 or 3 things we have going for us that is unique in history. First and biggest, never has a Marxist coup attempted to take over a population that is as massively armed as Americans are. Second is the large geographical area that Americans are dispersed over. Third, and this ties in with the second point, is the decentralized structure of American government spread out between many jurisdictions. That is very significant. Typically, governments are monolithic and easily taken over by Marxism in one swift coup. That is not America. Each state and each and every county is a separate jurisdiction. That will be our line of defense and our redoubt.
I totally concur. Even IF Trump got back into office, he can't do it alone. He (or any other patriot POTUS) will need all our support to rout the Marxists who have infected the entire USG and many state and local governments. Four years later, hopefully someone like DeSantis can get into office and continue the reforms. It will have to be a combined effort from the bottom as much as it is from the top.
Right now, the odds of this happening are not good. Marxists never willingly give up power. But Milei gives us an example that perhaps it can be done.
Phil, I hope our American politicians, including even Trump, are watching and learning from Milei.
I'm praying we can come up with another great Republican Gov once Desantis' term ends...
I hope the future candidates are watching and learning.
Absolutely!!
you already answered your own question. Look in the mirror. Everyone .
Look in the mirror......AND REPENT.
And then take some action.
Or, - if I don't speak treason though it has been spoken of before; I'm hardly the first - versus "sav[ing] our country," ...secession with establishment of regional entities; or broader geopolitical aggregates, with member states that could be intercontinental. Who knows? If there are shared values in multiple arenas, what's to stop another experiment? Brothers and sisters across the globe could take part in something never before attempted. We take the best of the American experiment and add to it. (No, I don't have any specifics. Boo me out of the room.)
My point is, our country is so divided, the best of it is worth preserving, the unsavory parts need discarding. I think clinging to the whole of the old system, apparently corruptible though that may largely be attributable to a planetary level of consciousness based on competition vs. cooperation, something which I think is changing in favor of the latter, might not be the ticket to advancing humanity. Which, in my opinion, is a more fundamental concept than geopolitics.
Thoughts. Again, nothing concrete, which doesn’t address the who needing to be found to steer the ship, and isn’t terribly applicable in present time. Whew. Tangent. Flight of fancy. I’ll go now.
*edit - the Republican Renegade Order/RRO (credit to Clara for the name), an aggregate of states/peoples, a new nation perhaps. So much to consider and TBD.
At this point, saving it to the extent that we aren't slaves by 10 years from now would be a positive outcome. The Anti-Federalists were so much more correct than the Federalists, but I'd happily settle for adhering to the Constitution for a while.
No argument on your last point - for sure! The rest, it might be time once again for The People to establish some monumental historic precedent around here? Rout out the ruling class. We'll see what unfolds.
Agreed - our country needs more than one man (Trump) to reverse course. I haven't heard much talk about what entities that might be - starting right away would be great.
Peace, everyone can do something - everyone should pick a 'thing' - election integrity on one's county; school board; school choice; recruiting local candidates; whatever, and look for how to help in that area. If even a small proportion of us did that, what a difference it would make.