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Jeff C's avatar

Sometime in Obama's second term the Dems decided they were just going flat out gaslight and not even attempt a pretense at truth. The media decided to do the same around the same time. Both use to lie routinely though it was usually of the stretching the truth variety, they didn't obviously make stuff up outright.

I first noticed it with the White Supremacy narrative. It was so obviously contrived, I couldn't believe anyone would fall for it. But plenty of people did, starting with blacks with a chip on their shoulder. Then it spread to emotionally-unstable whites with guilty consciences and inferiority complexes. A few other ethnic groups were happy to jump on board too.

It seems to have petered out and is now only believed by the militants, as normal people's every day interactions make it obvious that people generally get along pretty well. I've noticed too that the gaslighting in general doesn't seem to work as well anymore as people tend to roll their eyes rather than accept nonsense at face value.

A decade of outright lying has consequences, as those in authority (government, media, corporate flacks, church leaders, NGOs) have lost credibility. That is a good thing IMO, people should be far less accepting of what they are told and challenge pretty much everything. Even from people supposedly on "our side".

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Doohmax's avatar

Saved me from the Covid death jab. I knew the Media/Democrats/Fauci/Doctor$/“Experts” were lying because they hadn’t told the truth about anything since Trump came on the scene.

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glenn's avatar

I agree, yet I think the gaslighting started with Bill Clinton. The lies and coverups were deep and pervasive to keep Bill in office, and the strategy worked. Clinton’s big lies however weren’t sex, they were bipartisan legislation that completed the destruction of the working class begun by Regan, opened the door for globalization, increasing the power of the American oligarchs via one sided trade deals and so-called deregulation, and put forward the groundwork that became the patriot act.

Obama continued this strategy so his voting base wouldn’t see the following: that Obama gave the banking industry a pass for destroying the American economy and causing millions to lose their homes (which Blackrock happily bought up for pennies on the dollar), he passed ZERO legislation meaningful to his voting base with a supermajority in congress, did pass the horrible cluster f*&k known as the affordable health care act that NOBODY wanted, continued the egregious assault on personal freedom from the Bush II years, and let his state department destroy a thriving countries in the Middle East.

Notice how during the Bush II years, the DNC became the party of whining losers, yet managed to always support war and corporate handouts. Then during the Obama years and now the Biden years, the RNC assumed this role. Gee, it’s almost like they take turns. The only fly in the ointment was Trump, the first populace president in ages, and he pissed off both sides and began to reveal how the MSM facilitates the perpetual gaslighting.

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Michele's avatar

Clinton was when I realized how much pols talk down to the citizens. I was just coming aware of politics and I was all AYFKM that they expect me to be satisfied with this absolute DRIVEL spewed at speeches?

And just think, the speeches of yesteryear were actually often filled with real policy proposals and such. So they weren't EVEN as idiotic as the nonsense we get now.

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Leo's avatar

Curiously...all totally in line with WHO/WEF globalist elites...

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RunningLogic's avatar

Agree, great points.

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daverkb's avatar

This is probably what happened to the Soviet Union. Eventually, there was nothing credible to believe in and nothing worked right. And eventually, "I serve the Soviet State" just wore thinner than the last melting ice. Nobody wanted to go back to Stalin and Lenin ... and the terror state blood baths and the killing of basically innocent souls. People were worn out by 'things not working right.' Yeltsin saying after the collapse, "We just want to be normal," says pretty much everything. I hear that echoing in my head everyday, "I just want to be normal in a normal world."

What is there left to believe in with regard to the United States and its Evil Empire? As in the Soviet Empire, there will be relief when 'it all goes away' ... and maybe it already is in the very early stages of exactly that.

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Leo's avatar

Re: "...it all goes away"... And then what?

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daverkb's avatar

After the Soviet Union collapsed in the fourth quarter of 1991, there followed a ten year period of chaotic circumstances (too little money, income, food shortages and so on ... and a good bit of lawlessness including organized crime). After around 2001, things started to normalize ... and in this Putin played a huge part. Russian society in many ways reminds me more of the rule of the Tsars ... autocratic, Christian Russian Orthodox Church the basis of morality, freedom in personal life ... much more normal. I've heard people who immigrated from the West into Russia say that Russia reminds them more of how the United States was in the 1950's. And I am guessing that this is about right. Food supplies are plentiful, energy is cheap, the government is very, very low debt and very stabile as is the Ruble. Russians are not going to go hungry or freeze in the winter. Americans might unless there is an economic, political and financial miracle.

In the United States, it is up in the air right now. There are indications of a roll back going on ever since Musk bought Twitter now X. For example, in today's C &C you read of more corporate roll backs in DEI ... and this kind of cultural roll back is now trending. Some of the Fake Media even seem to be in early stage reversal mode. Wall Street has and is turning its back on the Dems. The Big Money is worried.

A lot is hanging on the election. If the radicals assume power again, we may end up with a Bolshevik style revolution being pushed to conclusion ... and a horror show. But maybe not, maybe something like what happen to the GDR in the time of the fall of the Berlin Wall. If Trump/Vance get in ... maybe some serious reforms. And I cannot begin to predict what that will look like, or what will happen because the US is caught in a Debt Trap ... and that means that whole financial system has to be done over. That is, even with Trump/Vance things are very, very shaky. And the question is really, can the US government pay its debts, and how ... and who will want to hold USD denominated government debt?

What is for sure is that America is not going back to 1776 and a constitutional law order based in Christian Law assumptions as were practiced largely in Common Law. Nobody even know what that means anymore.

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Leo's avatar

Agree - big unknowns, many possibilities, even surprises...

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Marsha McGrath's avatar

100%

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