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OnTheJump's avatar

The US won't be sending ANY of our kids over there - unless some sort of CIA-thing going on.

Book it.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Have you ever heard of NATO? Do you know what Article 5 means? That's what President Zelensky was talking about.

Not the BS so many like Poso, former Polish Defense Minister who is persona non-grata in Poland these days. He ditched his first wife for a Belarus woman. He's practically rooting for comrade Putin but he's not telling any truth.

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Dave's avatar

Fortunately Ukraine is not a member of NATO so Article 5 doesn't apply

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Why is the entire nato alliance

Sending gear to Ukraine?

Poland sent almost 400 tanks now

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Dave's avatar

Hello again warmonger

I propose we send the children of people who work for the war machine first

So directors of all the MIC contractors - your kids go

Every manager, every shop worker

If you want war then you pay the price

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Putin already started a war when he invaded Ukraine, Dave.

There's people from all over the world volunteering to stop Putin now.

They have joined Ukraine's foreign legions and many have lost their lives for freedom.

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Credenda's avatar

There are literally billions more who are rooting for Russia. Why? Because they see the results of being on the receiving end of American wars for “democracy” and “nation-building”. Massive bombing, loss of life among civilians (remember Madeleine Albright’s comment about the unfortunate but necessary deaths of a half million children?) abandonment of these countries after years of defense contractor profiteering and the neocon mantras used to gin up support for these wars? We have been blessed by never having to experience this. It has never truly affected us. Most of us can’t even figure out where these countries are on a map. But the rest of the world appears to have learned and they are no longer interested in our hypocritical “rules-based” governance. I see practically nothing but intense admiration for Putin among the young people in the developing world. Our leaders, with their childish threatenings and their irresponsible talk of the feasibility of limited nuclear war are viewed as dangerous and increasingly irrelevant. If we had only listened to Eisenhower……….

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Well, over 140 countries on planet earth just told Pukey to get out of Ukraine.

That covers most of the billions on planet earth, Credenza.

Yes, we have many experts who can't identify nations in Europe on a map but they insist that we defray from interfering with Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine.

You seem to focus on Albright and overlook the genocide Putin is doing today.

That's on you. Maybe you will learn a bit about the majority of nations that voted only last week against Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine.

Maybe.

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Critical Thinker's avatar

Wrong. The US did their best to strong-arm as many nations as they could to "comply" with their sanctions and condemnations....but half the world's people did not, and the world is shifting away from this unipolar "rules based" world order to a multipolar world that is no longer under the thumb of American imperialism.

Your moral high ground is stained with the blood of MILLIONS of innocents and the deprivation of national self-determination just to preserve the last vestiges ot American "greatness" around the world.

Keep peddling those lies.

p.s. Tell us all about the Donbass, why they separated from Ukraine, and why they voted overwhelmingly to rejoin Russia. You're either ignorant or a liar...

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Dave's avatar

The war didn't begin in Feb 2022 warmonger

A whole lot of NATO was involved in making this happen over the last 2 decades

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Iron Horsey's avatar

No, the NATO canard doesn't hold water, Dave. Neither does Putin's lies saying Russia was going to be invaded and so he had to invade Ukraine.

Do you believe Putin's repeated claim Russia was going to be invaded Dave?

That's what Putin said repeatedly in his "electrifying" speech.

Can you list all the countries NATO invaded and imprisons today?

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Dave's avatar

Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, multiple countries in Africa

A good 10 million+ civilians have died due to NATO actions over the last 30 years

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Sounds like commie talk, the same commies I used to argue with as a kid on the NYC streets handing out "the Daily Worker."

NATO is the greatest defensive alliance in the history of America. Thee absolute best!

You claim 10 million+ civilians died "due to NATO actions." I find that claim spurious at best and utter nonsense. I challenge you to back it up. Bring all your Daily Worker points you can. Bring it!

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Dave's avatar

I'm 43 years old and every single year since I've been alive NATO (US primarily) has made war at some scale somewhere in the world very far from US borders.

Those directly killed by bombs is indeed not a great number

Every coup incited leads to many civilian deaths

Every dictator propped up leads to many civilian deaths

Every government toppled leads to many civilian deaths

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Critical Thinker's avatar

You're either lying or you listen to CNN and got a twisted version of Putin's speeches...I'm guessing it's a bit of both. Go on....tell us about all the wonderful things happening to the ethnic Russians in the Donbas regions since the Maidan Coup in 2014...

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

The same ethnic Russians who rejoiced when Ukraine sent the Russian army running in Kharkiv?

Russia has killed more “ethnic

Russians” in its war in just one year than Ukraine has x10.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Yes, many neo nazis running to Ukraine to join their ilk...

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

The largest neo-nazi army in the world is currently in Russia. It’s called Wagner. Named

After a German composer and please look up dmitry utkin’s tattoos. Google it.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Russian Nazis = bad. Ukrainian Nazis = good.

What kind of mental gymnastics do you engage in to convince yourself of this?

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Hey, don't start going all factual now, Benjamin. There's bio labs you know. Bio labs!

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Critical Thinker's avatar

Yes, there are....lots of them, in fact. Nuland of all people confirmed as much in a strange Senate briefing with Rubio of all people....kinda like the sudden confession that Covid came from the WIV. Narrative control once the lies no longer work.

The lies you're trying to peddle know by mocking the very SUGGESTION that there were bio labs in Ukraine.

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Critical Thinker's avatar

YES, finally an intelligent question! Why indeed is the "entire NATO alliance" sending gear to Ukraine, when Ukraine isn't even a member (and the Poles hate the Ukes, btw)

It's almost as if the Globalist West-backed NATO is doing their absolute best to both provoke Russia into a final conflict that will topple that burdensome domino AND so that the full truth of their evildoing in Ukraine is never revealed. And here you are, cheering them on...

So yeah, Article 5....NATO....not a real thing when it comes to this conflict in Ukraine.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

The poles and ukrianains now have a friendship and common enemy.

Maybe Russia shouldn’t have invaded Ukraine and started a war that they can’t win and can’t exit cleanly.

1782 lost tanks in just over one year. That’s a new record.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1&cmd=redirect&arubalp=12345

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

I worked at a bio lab as a teen smearing samples on glass for examination 😂

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Critical Thinker's avatar

Some have suggested that was your origin story...

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Origin or not it was 10$ an

Hour as a teen.

So funny to know I basically was responsible for bio Weapons while dealing with various cattle parasites.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

We're not talking about Ukraine membership but others in Europe. Putin's thought a great benefit to the invasion would be seeing Ukraine implode.

Putin's State TV people are talking about bombing London, rolling tanks into Berlin, etc. This is on Russia's State TV.

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Dave's avatar

Which is it

Ukraine is beating back the Russians with significantly smaller forces

Or, Russia is so mighty that they can roll tanks into Berlin at will

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AM's avatar

Who remembers Obama laughing off Mitt Romney’s Russian concerns during a debate before the 2012 election? 🙄

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Dave's avatar

Self fulfilling prophecies

That dog is dangerous - *pokes the dog*

That dog is dangerous - *pokes the dog*

Dog bites man

I told you the dog was dangerous but you wouldn't listen

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Critical Thinker's avatar

Lies, lies, lies. Russia has no interest in any part of Europe, and probably nothing West of the Dnieper where the institutionalized Russophobia runs deep. We are witnessing the last stages of Fuck Around and Find Out after decades of warnings to the West not to militarize the border.

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OnTheJump's avatar

nato. nato ........ yeah ! NATO ...... knew it rang a bell.

and Article 5 - yeppers!

Convention of States - at 20, I believe, with a few more lining up ..........

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

The same alliance that fought in Afghanistan for the USA?

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Hey, you spelled NATO right. There's hope for us all!

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