This is true but then why would God conceive them in the first place only to suffer pain from health issues or watch the parents writhe in torment losing their child. God knows how bad that pain is, He suffered it too. I need answers from His lips to my ears.
This is true but then why would God conceive them in the first place only to suffer pain from health issues or watch the parents writhe in torment losing their child. God knows how bad that pain is, He suffered it too. I need answers from His lips to my ears.
There are many things God does not have to explain to us. He is God and our mission on earth is to trust Him and Him alone. By faith we learn to seek Him and not be concerned with all of the answers as to why. Job is a really good book to read when we think we need all of the answers. I pray you are seeking Him Lori and that by the power of Holy Spirit your own questions are put to rest. " Be still and know that I am God." Psalms 46:10
I read Job and it pissed me off quite frankly that God entered into a deal with Satan to test Job when God already knew Job would be faithful to Him. I trust Him and still want answers. Of course it is up to God whether I get them or not which irks me too. Thank you for the quote from Psalms. I personally love that passage but it ain't me; I am rarely still as I have a lot of ?s before I kick the bucket. I have coined myself God's personal hemorrhoid as I constantly talk to him, many times asking too many questions. It must be exhausting for God:{. I appreciate your lovely retort nonetheless. Thank you Debra.
After the death of my son in 1993, I asked God this question many, many times. I think about children who are abused and go through unimaginable horrors, or who spend their brief time here starving, or in pain from some disease.
A couple of years ago, while hashing this out with God, I had the vision of a vast tapestry. On one side, there is a beautiful, cohesive picture, full of vibrant colors and it tells a distinct story. But if we flip the tapestry over, it's a mess of threads that somewhat give the impression of what can be seen on the reverse, but not really. Mostly, it looks like a chaotic, disorganized mess.
I think we're on the underside of the tapestry. We can't see the whole, beautiful picture. We see the mess and the chaos and we don't understand. We don't know how those little ones touch the lives of those around them, or even who they touch. But I know God has a plan, even for my dear, sweet boy that I was blessed to love and hold in my arms for nine short weeks. Maybe his purpose was to make me a vaccine opponent, and my family, so that when the jabs came out, we all resisted. Would I prefer to have my child here with me, to have seen him grow to maturity, to love his wife and children? Of course! But when I think that way, I remember that God knows better than I what He is doing. My explanation for why my son died is very likely not even the reason he died.
We live in a fallen world. Literally, the wages of sin IS death. My boy was condemned under the same curse. All men must die. Who am I to question God about whose time is when? I'm not the one with the plan. I'm just the one who occasionally thinks, in my hubris, that I would do it differently (or do it better, even!)
No words for the loss of your son. I can't imagine the horror or pain. I am so grateful that you have come to terms with this and can move forward in Grace. Due to this tender sharing of your Soul's devastating loss, I will refrain from my retort. I hope only the best for you and yours. Contented to know you are so close to God.
Thank your from refraining from your retort; I think it would have wounded me.
I spent decades being angry and bitter with God about things I absolutely don't understand. It took me a lot of time to get to the place where I could feel even a modicum of peace about it. Sometimes, I pick those old feelings back up and carry them around for a while. Anyway, I can confidently say that the peace is preferable to the agony.
I pray you will come to the same relief some day. I don't think God minds our questions or our anger.
And I would not wish to wound you for you have suffered enough and then some. No, He does not mind our anger or questions. He knew when He created us we would carry our human emotions in raw form, be angry and ask many questions. He is our friend, whom else better to turn to. Yes, peace is preferable to agony.
Thank you for your kind words however I am not seeking relief. I am seeking answers to some pointed questions from God's lips to my ears. He takes a long time to answer if ever in this lifetime so I continue to wait. Blessings always and Godspeed to you. You are an inspiration to others and one full of the kind of courage I wish I could possess.
I'm so very sorry for your loss. I think perhaps you may be on to something as to your thoughts about vaccines. Who knew in 1993 that we would be faced with the COVID nonsense. We may never know, but he is with God in Heaven and not suffering. Peace be with you.
Suffering leads to purification. These children may go directly to Heaven and not have to suffer in purgatory to “pay the last penny” Matthew 5:26. God’s ways are not ours. I have to just trust in Him.
His ways are not ours, that is for sure. Having said that, I am not sure there is such a thing as purgatory and that suffering leads to purification. What have children done so bad they need to suffer to be pure? And to me, they are pure as they have not been adulterated yet in most cases. I will just respectfully take a different view from yours but agree on trusting Him although that is not always easy. Thank you for your thoughtful reply Karmy.
This is caused by our fallen world not by GOD. We are the ones responsible as we're our ancestors. GOD gave us the answer to heal our land. We have to do our part.
This is true but then why would God conceive them in the first place only to suffer pain from health issues or watch the parents writhe in torment losing their child. God knows how bad that pain is, He suffered it too. I need answers from His lips to my ears.
There are many things God does not have to explain to us. He is God and our mission on earth is to trust Him and Him alone. By faith we learn to seek Him and not be concerned with all of the answers as to why. Job is a really good book to read when we think we need all of the answers. I pray you are seeking Him Lori and that by the power of Holy Spirit your own questions are put to rest. " Be still and know that I am God." Psalms 46:10
I read Job and it pissed me off quite frankly that God entered into a deal with Satan to test Job when God already knew Job would be faithful to Him. I trust Him and still want answers. Of course it is up to God whether I get them or not which irks me too. Thank you for the quote from Psalms. I personally love that passage but it ain't me; I am rarely still as I have a lot of ?s before I kick the bucket. I have coined myself God's personal hemorrhoid as I constantly talk to him, many times asking too many questions. It must be exhausting for God:{. I appreciate your lovely retort nonetheless. Thank you Debra.
After the death of my son in 1993, I asked God this question many, many times. I think about children who are abused and go through unimaginable horrors, or who spend their brief time here starving, or in pain from some disease.
A couple of years ago, while hashing this out with God, I had the vision of a vast tapestry. On one side, there is a beautiful, cohesive picture, full of vibrant colors and it tells a distinct story. But if we flip the tapestry over, it's a mess of threads that somewhat give the impression of what can be seen on the reverse, but not really. Mostly, it looks like a chaotic, disorganized mess.
I think we're on the underside of the tapestry. We can't see the whole, beautiful picture. We see the mess and the chaos and we don't understand. We don't know how those little ones touch the lives of those around them, or even who they touch. But I know God has a plan, even for my dear, sweet boy that I was blessed to love and hold in my arms for nine short weeks. Maybe his purpose was to make me a vaccine opponent, and my family, so that when the jabs came out, we all resisted. Would I prefer to have my child here with me, to have seen him grow to maturity, to love his wife and children? Of course! But when I think that way, I remember that God knows better than I what He is doing. My explanation for why my son died is very likely not even the reason he died.
We live in a fallen world. Literally, the wages of sin IS death. My boy was condemned under the same curse. All men must die. Who am I to question God about whose time is when? I'm not the one with the plan. I'm just the one who occasionally thinks, in my hubris, that I would do it differently (or do it better, even!)
Corrie Ten Boom used that analogy when she spoke and would hold up the tapestry.
“Life is but a Weaving” (The Tapestry Poem) by Corrie ten Boom
My life is but a weaving
Between my God and me.
I cannot choose the colors
He weaveth steadily.
Oft’ times He weaveth sorrow;
And I in foolish pride
Forget He sees the upper
And I the underside.
Not ’til the loom is silent
And the shuttles cease to fly
Will God unroll the canvas
And reveal the reason why.
The dark threads are as needful
In the weaver’s skillful hand
As the threads of gold and silver
In the pattern He has planned
He knows, He loves, He cares;
Nothing this truth can dim.
He gives the very best to those
Who leave the choice to Him.
Corrie ten Boom
That is really beautiful. Thank you for sharing with me. I'm going to print it and put it on my wall.
You are so welcome. She used an actual picture of a tapestry in her talks.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/235242780516563161/
What a mess on the underside! But a picture of precision and perfection on the front.
No words for the loss of your son. I can't imagine the horror or pain. I am so grateful that you have come to terms with this and can move forward in Grace. Due to this tender sharing of your Soul's devastating loss, I will refrain from my retort. I hope only the best for you and yours. Contented to know you are so close to God.
Thank your from refraining from your retort; I think it would have wounded me.
I spent decades being angry and bitter with God about things I absolutely don't understand. It took me a lot of time to get to the place where I could feel even a modicum of peace about it. Sometimes, I pick those old feelings back up and carry them around for a while. Anyway, I can confidently say that the peace is preferable to the agony.
I pray you will come to the same relief some day. I don't think God minds our questions or our anger.
And I would not wish to wound you for you have suffered enough and then some. No, He does not mind our anger or questions. He knew when He created us we would carry our human emotions in raw form, be angry and ask many questions. He is our friend, whom else better to turn to. Yes, peace is preferable to agony.
Thank you for your kind words however I am not seeking relief. I am seeking answers to some pointed questions from God's lips to my ears. He takes a long time to answer if ever in this lifetime so I continue to wait. Blessings always and Godspeed to you. You are an inspiration to others and one full of the kind of courage I wish I could possess.
I'm so very sorry for your loss. I think perhaps you may be on to something as to your thoughts about vaccines. Who knew in 1993 that we would be faced with the COVID nonsense. We may never know, but he is with God in Heaven and not suffering. Peace be with you.
Suffering leads to purification. These children may go directly to Heaven and not have to suffer in purgatory to “pay the last penny” Matthew 5:26. God’s ways are not ours. I have to just trust in Him.
His ways are not ours, that is for sure. Having said that, I am not sure there is such a thing as purgatory and that suffering leads to purification. What have children done so bad they need to suffer to be pure? And to me, they are pure as they have not been adulterated yet in most cases. I will just respectfully take a different view from yours but agree on trusting Him although that is not always easy. Thank you for your thoughtful reply Karmy.
This is caused by our fallen world not by GOD. We are the ones responsible as we're our ancestors. GOD gave us the answer to heal our land. We have to do our part.
I will respectfully agree to disagree. Thank you for your reply.