I think much of the damage has already been done on that level, but there might be other repercussions if he takes a unilateral approach that could make it all backfire. I don’t really know. Trying to give the benefit of the doubt to some extent at least, since I don’t know how this would all shake out and I am sure DeSantis is more politically savvy on that level than I am. I agree though that it would be nice to see some more radical actions taken. I have to remind myself that patience is a virtue and while I’m not saying to just wait and not do *anything* in the meantime, it can take time to get more durable and useful actions into place and we have to keep chipping away. And also not be so dependent on leaders and politicians to do the work. Sometimes that means the results might not happen as quickly as we’d like though 😕
Information is out there and the people still taking the shots wouldn't listen to Desantis anyway. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. At this point, people willfully avoid the truth because they'd have to admit they believed a lie.
Because they already took the shots and boosters. Those people would go to another state to get boosters if they were outlawed in Florida. And it’s a moot point for people who don’t want any more.It would be better maybe to recognize and spread the word about treatments for vax injuries at this point. And maybe make doctors liable for any adverse effects if they give the jabs now that they are not recommended by Ladapo and the health department.
"...And maybe make doctors liable for any adverse effects if they give the jabs..."
So sensible! But that isn't even being pushed by DeSantis. He is MIA on this issue.
I'm with Kathleen. As I review all these comments, all I see are excuses on an issue that is literally - literally - life and death. I'll tell you why DeSantis will not touch this electrified "third-rail". If DeSantis pushed this issue, even if he failed, it would publicly raise not only the FACT that the bio-weapon is lethal but would apply the can opener to the HUGE can of liability that all of our institutions, especially the medical institutions, have for all the suffering, disability and death these institutions are clearly responsible for. Can you imagine the pressure there is for DeSantis to not even acknowledge the existence of that liability? DeSantis clearly doesn't have the grit of conviction to take this on.
No one can claim they didn't know. Here is an earlier comment from someone reporting from inside the medical establishment...............................
Berezoski Joe
Jun 5
I understand completely, and to the contrary, I live here in Houston. I buy Raw Milk in downtown Houston delivered from a dairy farm near San Antonio. One of the guys that buys Raw Milk with me is one of the top respiratory therapist for Houston Methodist, the biggest hospital group in Southeast Texas. During the pandemic, we were amazed at the insider knowledge that he gave us. He said he was going out visiting a lot of the emergency rooms outside of Houston because they were having a n unbelievable amount of heart problems with young athletes and myocarditis , it’s rampant, and then he said you know what that’s from?Then he pointed to his arm. We never asked each other vaccinations status, we just assumed everyone didn’t take it. Then he said, “thank God I didn’t get the real one “! He said that he and a lot of other administrators that knew about the dangers went to a doctor who agreed to secretly give them saline but mark it as covid shot. They couldn’t say anything or bad things would happen to him, and we never spoke about that again for his sake. He said that he would never admit that even in a court law, but he was honest with us when he told us that and I’ve known him about four years, meeting every two weeks by Raw Milk, great guy. Honest. We got a big group of us raw milk drinkers, la leche addicts, we d get together and talk about all the crap that we were putting up with in different professions, Rice Electrical Engineer was telling us all the problems with the 5G. He would tell us about some things going to the hospital. I would tell things that were going on in education . I’m in New Orleans Construction on a 3 year project , driving transportation making almost double of my best years teaching and coaching. I miss those meetings with all those guys.
Cowards. It's responses like that that prolonged the insanity for all. How many times did we say it? "If everyone just said no..." or "If everyone just refused to play their game..." It's en masse saying no and refusal that stops the mandaters up short. Pretending to get jabbed and saying nothing out of personal fear classes one with the perpetrators, the sheep, and the useful idiots.
My daughter is a nurse. A nurse friend is an infection specialist, which means she is the one who gives all the various injections where my daughter works. This woman is as pro Trump as they come, and very anti vax. She gave my daughter a "shot", meaning she used a vial of the stuff (dumped it out and threw it away) to officially count it as used (if that ever came up), and she then noted it as if it had been given in the CA medical system so that my daughter has the official records. She did that for 3 shots because my daughter didn't want to get any of them. It appears this sort of behind the scenes thing goes on a LOT if you know the right people.
We have a family friend who is a senior RN at the local hospital. The stories she tells us that happened during the plandemic are just unbelievable. People dying in the parking lot after getting the shot or those developing problems by the time they get home and die before they can get back to the hospital. Usually always older folks. Hospitals are nothing more than murder factories now. She got fired for refusing the shot and then the hospital begged her to come back. She can't wait to retire.
I respect "fired for refusing the shot" 1000x more than "went to a doctor who gave saline."
It's like the people who faked jab cards--they are not DOING anything to call BS. They are Going Along to Get Along. I class these compliers with the ignorant and raving fear-ridden sheep. Why should I respect their so-called subversiveness?
I agree with you up to a point. Maybe they are excuses. But I guess I just don’t like to make assumptions about people’s motivations without adequate evidence, or expect them to do things when it might not be in their purview. I don’t really like the idea of expanding executive power too much if that is what it would amount to, because it sets a precedent that can be misused.
Could he make an executive order regarding liability? How would that work? I guess I don’t know what the limitations are on executive orders, if it’s anything goes or only applies to things carried out by executive branch dependent agencies.
Another question: has there been a concerted campaign (not just a few isolated people) to lobby him to take these actions? If not maybe that would help focus him on this issue more?
Do you remember the Round Table publicity events he held during all the debate about lockdowns, etc? That didn't take an EO. As for EOs, that rubicon has long since been crossed. They shut down the entire economy by EO. Told people they were not ALLOWED to go to work. Destroyed small business across America as non-essential. Yet liquor stores, bars and Big Box stores remained open. Those EOs were totally illegal and unConstitutional. But that doesn't matter anymore.
I don’t remember those but I don’t live in Florida either. I was preoccupied with other things, including my brother’s untimely death due to the lockdowns in NY state and everything related to my kids’ schooling.
I disagree with the abuse of EOs and I do think it matters. I also think that Biden reversing Trump’s EOs shows that they are too easily overturned.
I did ask if there is an active concerted effort to get the jabs banned or is it just a few people pushing for it? If it’s the latter maybe getting a bigger group involved might be helpful in making progress?
I guess my perspective is a little different because my governor is a stupid RINO who went along with everything the CDC said. We had a mask mandate in all schools until the end of 2021 at least (I started homeschooling after that). We had more businesses shut down longer. So while I get your frustration with DeSsntis, he was so much better than almost any other governor and certainly much better than mine.
Thank you Truth. It was a horrible death and so completely unnecessary ☹️ I will never forget what the State and the people who were supposed to take care of him did to him 😡😞
Apparently a lot of boomers were just ‘talking the talk’ and not walking the walk’. They just wanted to look cool. Now they’re into whatever else ‘virtue signaling’ is going on.
They were never really part of the ‘counter revolution’ that got co-opted and made harmful pretty quickly by the ‘popular culture’.
Find it hard to believe that things can get any worse.
Death. Stroke. Heart attacks. Myocardiitis.
In 1976, the Swine Flu vaccine was pulled with less than 50 deaths.
I think much of the damage has already been done on that level, but there might be other repercussions if he takes a unilateral approach that could make it all backfire. I don’t really know. Trying to give the benefit of the doubt to some extent at least, since I don’t know how this would all shake out and I am sure DeSantis is more politically savvy on that level than I am. I agree though that it would be nice to see some more radical actions taken. I have to remind myself that patience is a virtue and while I’m not saying to just wait and not do *anything* in the meantime, it can take time to get more durable and useful actions into place and we have to keep chipping away. And also not be so dependent on leaders and politicians to do the work. Sometimes that means the results might not happen as quickly as we’d like though 😕
People are still dying and being injured.
Information is out there and the people still taking the shots wouldn't listen to Desantis anyway. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. At this point, people willfully avoid the truth because they'd have to admit they believed a lie.
If people want to take the covid DeathVax, let them.
My point is that DeSantis can cause a seismic shift in fighting the WHO, WEF, and Big Pharma.
especially those that live in deep blue states
Because they already took the shots and boosters. Those people would go to another state to get boosters if they were outlawed in Florida. And it’s a moot point for people who don’t want any more.It would be better maybe to recognize and spread the word about treatments for vax injuries at this point. And maybe make doctors liable for any adverse effects if they give the jabs now that they are not recommended by Ladapo and the health department.
"...And maybe make doctors liable for any adverse effects if they give the jabs..."
So sensible! But that isn't even being pushed by DeSantis. He is MIA on this issue.
I'm with Kathleen. As I review all these comments, all I see are excuses on an issue that is literally - literally - life and death. I'll tell you why DeSantis will not touch this electrified "third-rail". If DeSantis pushed this issue, even if he failed, it would publicly raise not only the FACT that the bio-weapon is lethal but would apply the can opener to the HUGE can of liability that all of our institutions, especially the medical institutions, have for all the suffering, disability and death these institutions are clearly responsible for. Can you imagine the pressure there is for DeSantis to not even acknowledge the existence of that liability? DeSantis clearly doesn't have the grit of conviction to take this on.
No one can claim they didn't know. Here is an earlier comment from someone reporting from inside the medical establishment...............................
Berezoski Joe
Jun 5
I understand completely, and to the contrary, I live here in Houston. I buy Raw Milk in downtown Houston delivered from a dairy farm near San Antonio. One of the guys that buys Raw Milk with me is one of the top respiratory therapist for Houston Methodist, the biggest hospital group in Southeast Texas. During the pandemic, we were amazed at the insider knowledge that he gave us. He said he was going out visiting a lot of the emergency rooms outside of Houston because they were having a n unbelievable amount of heart problems with young athletes and myocarditis , it’s rampant, and then he said you know what that’s from?Then he pointed to his arm. We never asked each other vaccinations status, we just assumed everyone didn’t take it. Then he said, “thank God I didn’t get the real one “! He said that he and a lot of other administrators that knew about the dangers went to a doctor who agreed to secretly give them saline but mark it as covid shot. They couldn’t say anything or bad things would happen to him, and we never spoke about that again for his sake. He said that he would never admit that even in a court law, but he was honest with us when he told us that and I’ve known him about four years, meeting every two weeks by Raw Milk, great guy. Honest. We got a big group of us raw milk drinkers, la leche addicts, we d get together and talk about all the crap that we were putting up with in different professions, Rice Electrical Engineer was telling us all the problems with the 5G. He would tell us about some things going to the hospital. I would tell things that were going on in education . I’m in New Orleans Construction on a 3 year project , driving transportation making almost double of my best years teaching and coaching. I miss those meetings with all those guys.
I am reminded of the concentration camps in Nazi Germany and the German people's excuse that they didn't know. They all knew.
So many people with no real courage. Intimidated into silence 😕
Cowards. It's responses like that that prolonged the insanity for all. How many times did we say it? "If everyone just said no..." or "If everyone just refused to play their game..." It's en masse saying no and refusal that stops the mandaters up short. Pretending to get jabbed and saying nothing out of personal fear classes one with the perpetrators, the sheep, and the useful idiots.
Indeed 😞
My daughter is a nurse. A nurse friend is an infection specialist, which means she is the one who gives all the various injections where my daughter works. This woman is as pro Trump as they come, and very anti vax. She gave my daughter a "shot", meaning she used a vial of the stuff (dumped it out and threw it away) to officially count it as used (if that ever came up), and she then noted it as if it had been given in the CA medical system so that my daughter has the official records. She did that for 3 shots because my daughter didn't want to get any of them. It appears this sort of behind the scenes thing goes on a LOT if you know the right people.
We have a family friend who is a senior RN at the local hospital. The stories she tells us that happened during the plandemic are just unbelievable. People dying in the parking lot after getting the shot or those developing problems by the time they get home and die before they can get back to the hospital. Usually always older folks. Hospitals are nothing more than murder factories now. She got fired for refusing the shot and then the hospital begged her to come back. She can't wait to retire.
I respect "fired for refusing the shot" 1000x more than "went to a doctor who gave saline."
It's like the people who faked jab cards--they are not DOING anything to call BS. They are Going Along to Get Along. I class these compliers with the ignorant and raving fear-ridden sheep. Why should I respect their so-called subversiveness?
Wow!!!
I agree with you up to a point. Maybe they are excuses. But I guess I just don’t like to make assumptions about people’s motivations without adequate evidence, or expect them to do things when it might not be in their purview. I don’t really like the idea of expanding executive power too much if that is what it would amount to, because it sets a precedent that can be misused.
Could he make an executive order regarding liability? How would that work? I guess I don’t know what the limitations are on executive orders, if it’s anything goes or only applies to things carried out by executive branch dependent agencies.
Another question: has there been a concerted campaign (not just a few isolated people) to lobby him to take these actions? If not maybe that would help focus him on this issue more?
Do you remember the Round Table publicity events he held during all the debate about lockdowns, etc? That didn't take an EO. As for EOs, that rubicon has long since been crossed. They shut down the entire economy by EO. Told people they were not ALLOWED to go to work. Destroyed small business across America as non-essential. Yet liquor stores, bars and Big Box stores remained open. Those EOs were totally illegal and unConstitutional. But that doesn't matter anymore.
I don’t remember those but I don’t live in Florida either. I was preoccupied with other things, including my brother’s untimely death due to the lockdowns in NY state and everything related to my kids’ schooling.
I disagree with the abuse of EOs and I do think it matters. I also think that Biden reversing Trump’s EOs shows that they are too easily overturned.
I did ask if there is an active concerted effort to get the jabs banned or is it just a few people pushing for it? If it’s the latter maybe getting a bigger group involved might be helpful in making progress?
I guess my perspective is a little different because my governor is a stupid RINO who went along with everything the CDC said. We had a mask mandate in all schools until the end of 2021 at least (I started homeschooling after that). We had more businesses shut down longer. So while I get your frustration with DeSsntis, he was so much better than almost any other governor and certainly much better than mine.
Sorry about your brother RL.
Thank you Truth. It was a horrible death and so completely unnecessary ☹️ I will never forget what the State and the people who were supposed to take care of him did to him 😡😞
😢
Allow people to travel to other states if they want another shot or booster.
Doctors, nurses, and pharmacy workers should be sued in civil court for administering the shot to anyone who was injured or died.
Agreed.
Yup! Different country then..that is why so many boomers trust all these shots, they don't know that it is not the same country.
What the hell happened to so many boomers? I'm a boomer! I learned 50 years ago NOT to trust Big Brother!
They follow the media, thinking it is the same media we used to watch on the 6 o'clock news. I don't know why they are so dumb but they are.
Yep!
Apparently a lot of boomers were just ‘talking the talk’ and not walking the walk’. They just wanted to look cool. Now they’re into whatever else ‘virtue signaling’ is going on.
They were never really part of the ‘counter revolution’ that got co-opted and made harmful pretty quickly by the ‘popular culture’.
Not just boomers.
Soooo many young people also got the shots.
One reason could be their families are trusting..generational group think.
Every liberal I know willing, and happily, took the covid DeathVax.
Exactly, indoctrinated to “trust the experts.”
Whatever happened to, "never trust your government?"
Too many people never believed that. They think the government is filled with people who know better than the average citizen does 😕
That's not taught in public school - uh - indoctrination centers.