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RandiG's avatar

Dad passed on 12/31/22 from the booster. Dad was a true CPA, passing on the last day of the year so he could get his full 2022 tax deductions. 🙄

Dad got the booster mid-December 2021 at his assisted living facility in florida. As his healthcare POA, I did not approve him for the booster. He took it on his own. With in days of the shot dad declined rapidly loosing 24 pounds in 4 weeks. 3 months later he was completely bed bound. And 8 months later he passed.

You may wonder why such a long steady decline. Well, my grandfather served in WWII. Dad was 4 when he left. My grandmother gave dad a tablespoon of castor oil daily (pure vitamin D) starting at the age of 4 and throughout his childhood. She didn’t want dad getting sick so she could work and support the family.

I spent a lot of time with dad in his final weeks. His body gave out, but I’ll be damned if he didn’t have the strongest bones. He never broke a bone in his life and I only remember ONE time he was home sick with a fever despite taking mass transit his entire life into Manhattan.

He fought the good fight, but he was no match for the jabs. I pray for him and all the people who have died or are injured due to this horrible, inhumane shot. 🙏

Harold Saive's avatar

MAGA supporter, Tom Renz writes an open letter to Donald Trump offering to educate him on the deadly vaccines Trump pretends not to know about. - "President Donald Trump & the WEF Jabs" - https://tomrenz.substack.com/p/president-donald-trump-and-the-wef

Sheryl's avatar

I've also been saying this for over a year. Trump needs to own it and apologize bigly. Yes he was duped. It happens even to the best of us from time to time. They played him like a fiddle using his Achilles' Heel (his ego) against him. They knew he would absolutely want to take credit for a miracle that saved millions of lives. He swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Now he needs to own up and apologize. He would gain so much respect from millions of people.

PamelaZelie's avatar

Absolutely! If he’d own up to his grave error and stop promoting a poison jab to the populace, I would consider voting for him, once again. But at this juncture, I cannot accept his complicity.

Bitesandpieces's avatar

I’m afraid owning up to it won’t change a thing. The left will be apoplectic. The whole media cycle will implode and when it finally dies down we will be no further ahead. Then, we’ll still be left with a decision as to whom we will vote for. If we think for one short moment that this is all about Trump, we will be missing the whole picture. Trump is only one person and he won’t live forever. The entire swampish system has to be exposed, to be revealed for its manipulation and control over us and what has been happening over decades. Thanks to Trump, for whatever his flaws or inconsistencies and whatever else you want to apply to him, we are beginning to to see what the deep state has done and continues to do to us. The plan we’ve seen being implemented over the past 4-6 years - and Trump is undoubtedly a part of - is what I’ve heard said to be “the biggest sting operation the world has ever seen.”

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Politico Phil's avatar

Even so, there is no way to get Trump back into office with the Bolsheviks controlling the elections. Without that, everything else is mute.

Laura Kasner's avatar

Renz wrote a profound letter. I pray Trump reads it.

Harold Saive's avatar

If Trump doesn't know about his deadly vaccine by now, I pray for us.

Bobbi's avatar

IMO, it doesn't matter if he knew it was deadly. He knew it flew in the face of any vaccine protocols allowed to date and he ignored that. I don't claim to know his reasons for ignoring what years of vaccine development had taught us but I suspect ego has a lot to do with it.

PamelaZelie's avatar

He knows and that’s what’s criminal and immoral.

Johnny-O's avatar

Like Trump doesn't already know and hasnt known for many many months at this point. I'm sure he knew well before the roll out they were dangerous. None of these people are our friends.

Linda Sartain's avatar

I pray he Gets to read it, and is Able to do something. Renzi's stated my sentiments exactly.

Based Florida Man's avatar

Reminds me of that video where Trump says he's not heard of wikileaks or Julian Assange's plight. Clearly a lie and just Sad.

On an island's avatar

Remember that Operating Warp Speed was Trump’s baby. He’s been such an obstinate bully on so many other issues but he dropped the ball and screwed us all when he backed down on hydroxychloroquine. He could have turned the nation’s focus to treatment instead of waiting on his ‘miraculous vaccines’. This is unforgivable!

Sheryl's avatar

I agree but he was out of his wheelhouse. He does not know science and medicine. They tapped into the businessman and his ego and played him like a fiddle. He should not have listened to Fauci and Birx. He did bring in Scot Atlas but far too late and by then he was already up to his eyeballs with bad info and on a path he had already traveled too far down. His ego will not allow him to admit he was wrong and he most definitely was wrong.

On an island's avatar

Learning the ins and outs of this whole medical industrial complex is not in my wheelhouse either. But i took the time to learn and not cave to social pressure. I defended hcq and then ivm on Facebag early on as having potential and was attacked heartily for it. So what? I lost some “friends”?

Real leadership does mean admitting when you’re wrong but it also means taking a stand for what is right.

Johnny-O's avatar

What a shrewd business man to surround yourself with the big pharma swamp. At best he was swindled, at worst he's complicit and part of it all. Neither conclusion puts you in a position in which you should be a leader of any kind.

Iron Horsey's avatar

President Trump did not "back down" on HCQ. He was shouted down by Fauci, the Dems, DNC media and Big Pharma.

In fact, India said at the onset of the pandemic no HCQ exports would be allowed. They wanted to save it for their country. Trump got on the phone with Modi and convinced him to provide the US with HCQ.

The HCQ President Trump obtained from India was distributed to pharmacies and hospitals across the US. Once again, people are getting into their feelings and rewriting recent history. Sad.

On an island's avatar

Shouted down, backed down ... he caved. What does it matter? He’s such a loud mouth ego tripper everywhere else; he doesn’t get a pass for not standing his ground.

And as i recall the US already had a national stockpile of hcq but access of this plentiful drug suddenly became very difficult 🤔

IR's avatar

The Texas nurse, I think her name was Jennifer Bridges said that in the beginning HCQ was used in the hospitals and it was helpful. Then out of nowhere the doctors started saying there was a protocol change and they couldn’t use it anymore. I wonder who made the call. Fauci, Gates? They all were very invested in the shot.

On an island's avatar

When the FDA shut it down, Trump got full force behind the shots and the rest is history.

Matthew's avatar

As of November 2022, President Trump was still claiming the Spring 2020 lockdowns saved lives. Even some Democrats are saying lockdowns and school closures were mistakes.

President Trump has difficulty admitting mistakes.

Good leaders admit mistakes and change course when needed yet still stand firm when they are right.

Harold Saive's avatar

It's more than a "mistake'. Trump is signalling that he does not wish to be elected in 2024. The Covid scandal still has another year to mature.

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Harold Saive's avatar

Jeff is creative. I just don't agree that Trump is making it much easier for the truth to come out. Almost all the credit goes to the courageous whistleblowers, Ron Johnson, The substack army, Peter McCullough et al, and over 17,000 frontline doctors who lost their jobs to speak the truth.

On an island's avatar

I read it and think Jeff has an interesting theory. It’s only a theory though so why is your tone so indignant? I personally don’t think any of the power brokers have a vested interest in the truth coming out. Only people like Harold mentions and all the rest of us who are tired of all the games.

Harold Saive's avatar

I'm typing. There is no sound. What kind of tone are you imagining?

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Based Florida Man's avatar

It's going to be an interesting 2024 election for us former Trumpers.

Not that voting matters anymore.

'Voting harder' won't get us out of this jam.

LuAnne's avatar

The Republican party needs to grow a spine and learn to fight 🔥 with 🔥! They need to stop their ridiculous push for same day voting and all the other old fashioned ideas...that ship has sailed in so many states now. Instead, they need to learn how to play the game if there's even a slight chance of Republicans ever winning the WH and gaining the majority in the house & senate. Especially in the swing states or any state that has whacked out voting rules like ballot harvesting, and mass mail in voting. They also need to get rid of Ronna and get someone in there that knows what the hell they're doing. Harmeet Dhillon might very well be a great choice. Do you know who Scott Pressler is? Check him out. He's doing some awesome nationwide work on this very subject.

Raptor's avatar

Trump can save himself by owning what happened and maybe explaining a few things. If he continues to pretend that the jabs are fake god's gift to the world, he will lose. I hope there will be a wild weed pulling in the Repub party. Regular people are tired of continually bending over.

Politico Phil's avatar

I do not know but............ We have to remember that the cabal had the "vaccines" already to go long before Operation Warp Speed. In fact, before there even was a "pandemic". Indeed, Trump was used as a tool. I just doubt it was willingly. If Trump was fooled, he knows it now and if there's one thing I'm sure about, it is that he is one vindictive asshole when he is crossed. He may just be bidding his time. I'm waiting to see.

Raptor's avatar

What would have happened if he said "we need to let the vaccine candidates run their natural course thru the approval process"? As the fake covid deaths piled up mind you. A bit of a catch 22 IMO. But his still touting them is a loser.

STew's avatar

I agree with this. I think if he makes a serious run for president, the media will suddenly start discussing vaccine deaths and injuries.

Harold Saive's avatar

You really think the media is looking for a reason to start exposing vaxxine deaths and injuries while their existence depends on revenue from PHARMA Vaxx Drug dealers and ads? Please explain

Politico Phil's avatar

Good questions. The whole dynamics of the current situation really makes me wonder what Trump (and DeSantis) is planning. Jeff raised a good point yesterday in that regard. I'm going to exercise patience, get some popcorn and see what develops. Tom Renz has thrown down the gauntlet to Trump. Let's see what he does with it. If Trump can bait them into blaming him for vaccine injuries, then he can turn the tables and say, "Oh, so the vaccine DOES cause injury?!" If they drop their guard that much that leaves them open to a right hook from Trump.

Truthseeker's avatar

I believe Trump’s son Barron could be on the autism spectrum… although never confirmed. When Trump went into office he was vaccine wary- and he WAS threatening an inquiry into the safety of vaccines.

i know this because all of us who were waiting for Justice for injuries from the pediatric vaccine schedule- were all watching it very closely- even then.

I’m paraphrasing …but Trump had posted a comment… something to the effect of- a healthy child takes x vaccines on one day and then changes- isn’t healthy Anymore’.

So that was his personal thoughts up until Bill Gates paid him a visit to the Oval Office and Gates told him an investigation into vaccines would be ‘a very bad idea’.

Then Trump suddenly stopped talking about a vaccine inquiry and wanted to appoint Gates to a science position.

That was when I knew he’d abandoned the vaccine injured. Just like every other sitting president has.

Something fishy went down… during all of that - at the start of Trump’s term in the White House.

So Trump Knows!

All of it.

And he knew Way before Renz letter.

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JenillaIced's avatar

Trumps EGO will be the death of him. It’s what kept him from taking the advice of Ivanka and now she’s done. The AMERICAN PEOPLE will be done too if Trump doesn’t admit to making decisions with minimal knowledge. I too voted for T twice even though my vote doesn’t really count in the wacky state of CA.

Harold Saive's avatar

Or is it that Trump's apparent ego is what keeps him ALIVE?

FourWinds's avatar

I am so very sorry about your dad. These people that pushed this garbage are so evil. There are literally a million and a half people (1,499, 447 reports in VAERS as of 1/6/23) who have reported reactions ranging from mild to death due to the clot shots. This does not even begin to account for the heart attacks, strokes, turbo cancers, blood clots and other problems reported later. This genocide is pure evil.

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

my dad, almost 89, has hardly ever been sick, except after the 5th shot. He has his second 'cold' that does not go away. The former lasted almost 6 weeks and did not seem to react to the meds. This one is on his 6th week. He now also had severe stomach and intestin problems. See how this goes. I warned him from the start, and every time again. His answer: I am old. Not really an answer.

Julie's avatar

My mom's pancreatic cancer presented as extreme stomach pain (especially when she had any dairy). She was diagnosed with stage four in late January 2022 and died in March. Three shots, all with high markers in VAERs. 😢

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

so sorry to read this Julie. I am afraid that, when dad were to pass away, no one will even think about the jabs. A brother in law of his died a few months ago age 74 from stroke. His hair dresser has 'water in the lung', connected to heart disease. And every day you read about healthy young people dying. Just read 3 on an Italian website again.

Truthseeker's avatar

I’m so sorry for your loss. My friend’s husband- who was only 60… dx’d with pancreatic cancer and gone four months later. So much loss. ❤️‍🩹

RandiG's avatar

Ingrid, dad had very bad stomach issues. He stopped eating and the last 2 months and then stopped drinking any fluids the last 2 weeks. It’s so very sad. I still can’t believe he’s gone. He just turned 83. 😞

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

oh Randi so sorry to read this ((((((xxx)))))

Truthseeker's avatar

Yes

A dear friend’s dad- same thing- in and out of the hospital now

Always healthy and robust prior to being fully Vaxxed and boosted

Now dealing with

Afib

Unusually huge Kidney stones

Eosinophilia GI disorder

And pneumonia

He might not make it. 🙏🏻❤️‍🩹

Politico Phil's avatar

We old guys tend to get set in our thinking.

Politico Phil's avatar

And most go unreported. According to the Harvard study of VAERS, only about 1% of adverse events are captured by VAERS. That means VAERS under reports by a factor of 100 to 1, normally. But this was before covid and the massive pressure NOT to report adverse events about the "shot". As a result, I would guess that the under reporting for the "shot" now is AT LEAST one or two orders of magnitude greater than the Harvard study. Do the math for any of the VAERS figures. If 1.5 million events have been captured by VAERS then, just based on the Harvard study, that would represent actual total events of 150 million events! Now that's every event reported, even if it's just a sore arm. To make sense, you would have to apply the under reporting factor to each specific type of event. Then you start to see the real picture.

randall stoehr's avatar

Similar with my mom @ 88. I'd been her solid go to guy for anything from 86-88 yrs old.

Self-employment has such a benefit. So my lesson was to be the casual observer to her ailments as they chipped away at her ability to "thrive". You begin to see things differently.

The last Dr. apt was to determine she now had in-op cancer. We faced and graced the Dr.

On the way back to her place I asked what she planned to do about it. She smiled and looked me square in the eyes and said, absolutely nothing Rand, I'm not fighting anything this time.

Within a week she in fact had "strongly willed" herself to near death. We moved her to the place of her choice to check out. Her claim she was sick and tired of waiting for it to happen in her home. The comfort zone at the next "landing", had pain meds to speed the path to the open door and the "LIGHT". This was her check out strategy. A thing of real beauty to me!!

Laura Kasner's avatar

Thank you for sharing randall. I'm sorry for your loss. It's wonderful that you could see the beauty in her passing into the hands of God.

randall stoehr's avatar

The greatest of unforeseen learning lesson. She got me to this planet. Showed me how to live. I the youngest of four boys got to be there to give us both undying comfort, In the art of Dying. And my new ability to cope with any loss that may befall me, as it did her.

Laura Kasner's avatar

You are blessed. Thank you for this. So eloquent, beautiful and profound.

God bless you randall.

Peace's avatar

Randall Stoehr - She sounds like she was a wise woman - you can now carry on her legacy of owning life and living on your own terms. God's blessings on you as you navigate life without her earthly presence.

nancy knox-bierman's avatar

I am so very sorry for your loss.

randall stoehr's avatar

In retrospect her actual claim was "sick and tired of being sick and tired"!!

Her humor was always one breath away and now she was facing death,

I will always jolly well remember her for that.

Dr Linda's avatar

I cannot put into words how sorry I am. Your story opened a flood gate. I am weeping for us.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Another required reading in school.

Laura Kasner's avatar

I’m so very sorry RandiG for your loss. I truly believe that God will see there is justice. We all must be willing to die on this hill.

Chelie's avatar

I’m sorry for your loss. So many have lost loved ones unnecessarily due to these shots. This is a horribly tragedy that no one deserves. Lives are being stolen by greedy elitists that will go to their graves without ever admitting the technology used in the development of these shots was flawed and dangerous. RandiG you are in my prayers.

Donna in MO's avatar

So sorry to hear about your dad. My dad passed in 2014, not jab related obviously but his last year of life was also marked by rapid decline - it's like mourning them while they are still living, as their life as they used to live it is gone long before the final end.

Julie's avatar

Your dad sounds like an awesome guy. Must have been because he is mirrored in your writing.

Meira Raine's avatar

my precious dad was killed too... he fought to live but at 85 just weeks after "enforced" jab... well... 😢so terribly sad. I join you in your prayer for all who are suffering from this horror. 🙏

Julie's avatar

I am so sorry for your loss. 😢 Prayers for comfort and peace. (Just wondering, when enforced it? And why?)

nancy knox-bierman's avatar

My prayers for you and your family. I am so very sorry for your loss.

randall stoehr's avatar

And just as precious as he was for you, you were ten times as precious to him.

Thus he would wish away your sadness, and turn it into gladness.

That's what great Dads forever do. Close your eyes, he's always there to talk to.

Dr Linda's avatar

You’re right. It is what great Dads do

RunningLogic's avatar

I’m so sorry for your loss 😞 Prayers for you too 🙏

Debra S Heard's avatar

So sorry for your loss. I really hope justice gets served to the evil people soon.

RunningLogic's avatar

I’m so sorry 😞 Prayers 🙏

AngelaK's avatar

I am so sorry for your loss.

Lynn's avatar

I am a CPA who also commuted into Manhattan for work. 4 hours each day by train into Penn Station for 8 years. All the CPAs I know fell for The Official Narrative hook, line, and sinker. All got jabbed. Within weeks of the rollout of The Death Jab, two prominent CPAs from NJ - who were well respected and ran CPE courses and had a very long and prominent following from other CPAs - died suddenly. Just dropped dead after short illnesses. Really tragic and unconscionable.

Lisa's avatar

My dad was a CPA in Manhattan who took the subway to work. He was in the Normandy invasion and was never sick. He died in his sleep right before the pandemic at age 97. I was so grateful that our healthcare system (a euphemism) did not have the chance to destroy him when the Nazis failed to.

RandiG's avatar

Lynn, it’s so strange how that happened with CPAs. 😞

Dad was a partner at Friedman LLP which just merged with Marcum. The original merger (over 2 decades ago) was done with the managing partner at Friedman and my Dad, Mike Justus, at Putterman, Rush & Shapiro (PR&S).

If dad had known before he passed that his little firm would one day be worth $1B he would have been so elated. He must be celebrating in heaven.

Verve's avatar

Randi my heartfelt condolences on the loss of your father, and I know I speak for hundreds, if not thousands of us. How hard he fought; how fortunate he had you to be with him during this unspeakable misery. I will keep your dad, you and your whole family in my prayers.

nancy knox-bierman's avatar

Oh...I am so very sorry for your loss.

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

Vindicate me, O God, and plead my case against an ungodly nation;

O deliver me from the deceitful and unjust man!

For You are the God of my strength; why have You rejected me?

Why do I go mourning because of the oppression of the enemy?

O send out Your light and Your truth, let them lead me;

Let them bring me to Your holy hill

And to Your dwelling places.

Then I will go to the altar of God,

To God my exceeding joy;

And upon the lyre I shall praise You, O God, my God.

Why are you in despair, O my soul?

And why are you disturbed within me?

Hope in God, for I shall again praise Him,

The help of my countenance and my God.

— Psalm 43:1-5 NASB1995

Copernicus's avatar

What a blessed gift that our God has given to us by means of these written prayers, that we may read them and pray when our own hearts and minds cannot. ❤️

Donna  P's avatar

I have read this Psalm MANY times in the last 2.5 years ! 💜❤️💯

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

Me too! I wondered if I had already shared it on here sometime, but couldn’t remember. It’s sure worth reading again!

LS Woodruff's avatar

Blessed assurance, from the only true source. Thank you, I really needed that today!

Tory77simplifyfocus's avatar

So many thanks Janice. Perfect Blessing ✨✨

Dwell in the Land's avatar

"Get Kraken" 😆. Love these gems you fit in so effortlessly throughout everything you write. 👍🏻

Donna in MO's avatar

I used to listen to Ben's show on the radio, but bailed on that due to his frequent mention of his virtue signaling jab. I still love his Right Side of History book, he is a really smart guy who clearly saw the Narrative, slow march to totalitarianism/communism and the book is very well researched. And yet he plainly says he based the decision on what the GOVERNMENT and PHARMA companies were saying?! Pretty amazing.

John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

Great comment, Donna.

As someone of average intellect, I am stunned by all of the 'great minds' - i.e. Musk, Shapiro, Malone, Kirsch - who ran out to participate in a minimal information experiment and are now voicing regret. Musk had a reaction to his second(!) booster? Admittedly, I am grateful for all of these people who have awakened and are speaking out, yet the level of submission is still mind-blowing.

Perhaps the whole concept of "intelligence" should be gauged by a single "yes" or "no" question involving a scenario where a pandemic is contrived to push a product that makes billions for companies and affiliated bureaucrats and you are being pushed by mass media and politicians to participate no questions asked? Do you participate?

barbara ford's avatar

Well, i am dumb and slow, and the combination saved me from the jab. When the poison first came out i trusted the govm’t—-dumb. But i did not want to wait in the ridiculous lines so i put it off…next, i thought i’d get the j n j, but then the clot news about it came out so, no…finally pinned my hopes on novavax, that it would be a safe option, but….nah, they were all toxic and fronted by a bunch of liars who got real rich real quick. Dumb and slow—-and God’s perfect timing—-not enough words to express my gratitude to how He worked it out.

Karen Bandy's avatar

Not dumb and slow, perhaps some hidden intuition turned you into a procrastinator 😉 thank goodness.

Bugs's avatar

Same! Those lines for waiting were ridiculously long! Drat. ;-)

Emily 🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼's avatar

You made me smile at this - thank you Barbara ❤️

Donna in MO's avatar

I suppose the word 'intellect' is another one of those words that faces redefinition in these crazy times. The human brain is really the 'final frontier' as experts are truly baffled as to what goes on between our ears. Well, not sure about the experts, but it baffles me. My genius level IQ nephew got the jabs, despite my sister and her hubby (who are also very smart, both have masters in engineering and MBA's) begging him not to, but he is an adult, nothing they could do. His reason? His job required it and it was just easier to be able to go places. Didn't want to bother with religious exemption, despite being a practicing Catholic and voted for Trump twice. (so not a snowflake) Thankful he has had no ill effects to date, but baffles me that he laughed at the covid precautions as a joke but rolled up his sleeve for the shot. His is just one example of my re-evaluation of what it means to be 'smart'.

deb's avatar

Growing up, my family would always differentiate between “book smart” and “street smart” (or common sense). Obviously, I wish I had both, but I have no complaints about common sense--especially after these last couple years.

Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

Donna, that was priceless "final frontier", & intelligence, lol, so sorry about your extended family. My closest friends got the jab, so that they wouldn't feel guilty around their older jabbed friends. Thought it would stop transmission. I explained it was a virus of sometype, and they always mutate.

Donna in MO's avatar

Oh yes, I was called 'selfish' by many, including my own mom. I suspect social pressure and shaming played a big role in many people's decision. But I am stubborn, the more I got yelled at, the more I dug my heels in. It was also around this time that the video about 'mass formation psychosis' was making the rounds, and it was all I needed to convince myself I had done the right thing and that despite zero medical background, that my understanding of the risks was sound.

Johnny-O's avatar

Was just reading a survey. Booster uptake is only about 18% for adults in the US. 3/4 of this people said they did it to protect others, meaning they still believe the lie that it stops or helps to stop transmission

Freebird's avatar

Donna, ditto for my genius level granddaughter getting the jab. She’s a chemical engineering grad from A&M…so the girl knows some science…and yet. 😢

LS Woodruff's avatar

Our son was still trying to finish his Photonics Engineering degree (think lasers, more of a science) and he was beyond frustrated at the idiocy within his department at UCF. Labs being done remotely? Seriously! He did find a few brave souls in his graduating class, but most just went along with the propaganda being pushed all around but the masked fools in faculty and administration. He kept saying that his discipline requires ‘real, physical data and metrics’ yet so many were mindlessly going along with the narrative. It was amazingly awful to watch, and he got very, very jaded about higher education by the whole debacle!

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

Donna, are you the Donna following my Blessed is the Nation page on fb? Just curious. 😀

Donna in MO's avatar

Yes, although I don't remember how I found it, and of course FB never shows me any posts., they constantly annoy me with what they don't show me. But I looked, and yes, I did like that page.....

SadieJay's avatar

I seriously do not think for a minute Malone or Musk got the same juice the rest of the peasants were forced to take to get "papers" to travel. I call hard BS on both. But, what better way to conjure up "I am with you, buddy." than to have your possibly forged papers in perfect order. I don't pretend to know what is going on, but with Malone I think people have Stockholm Syndrome. He invented the thing, portends no profits off it, knows the danger and gets jabbed anyway? Yes, the dead chickens are starting to smell.

Gaye's avatar

Malone actually did have a very serious blood pressure spike which I believe occurred after his second shot. Honestly, when I heard him on a video say over a year ago that he and his wife had taken it to travel, I was appalled. No special knowledge was required to avoid this; ALL anyone needed to know was HOW TO IDENTIFY LIARS. That. Was. All.

IR's avatar

Malone didn’t invent the vaccine. He invented the mRNA platform for genetic therapy ( co-inventor I believe). He said he wanted to be a genetic therapist and to help kids with genetic disorders. I think the dangers were not known at first( never was used in humans) but they did test anti- SARS vaccine on animals in the past ( non mRNA I believe) Animals had high antibodies but developed pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus. You’d think one could make an inference that it may not be good for humans. Sometimes I do think things don’t end up, you really don’t need to be a rocket scientist to not take novel drugs because of the precautionary principle, especially that it became known early on that most healthy people are not at risk of a severe disease but I think Malone said he was at risk due to his health. Many people were hesitant but still took it.

SadieJay's avatar

I do know he didn't invent the vaccine, just the method. And, by THE THING, I meant the mRNA, which is soon going to be shooting out of streetlights, by the way they tell it. Haha...funny, not funny.

Raphael's avatar

Well didn't this therapy fall under the Is biological weapons treaty, That the US may or may not have ratified. I have heard both.

Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

lol, dead chickens starting to smell. lol

Based Florida Man's avatar

Very plausible. The batches were highly controlled.

Freebird's avatar

Ejsmith, as someone of average intellect, I’ve observed that very intelligent people often make bad choices. I maintain that this choice was often predicated, not upon an intellectual basis, but an experiential basis. Ie..do you trust the medical establishment, and/or the government to know what’s best for YOU? Absolutely not. I didn’t have to be especially intelligent to say no to the vaccine. I learned long ago that our medical system is far from perfect, in fact it’s not even very good. And now we know that it’s corrupt as well.

However some very bright, highly educated people blindly trust those whom they perceive to be “scientists”, or experts in their field.

Anthony's avatar

Indeed. They think since they are so good at their field and are an expert that other "experts" must be as thorough as them. In fact, I've worked with very intelligent people who also seem to think everyone else is just like them and don't understand it when they make choices different from them.

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Of course they do. They consider themselves, and in fact are, part of the "Expert" tribe.

Politico Phil's avatar

Right. Also, I've observed that some like Malone are so into their science that they are literally naive about anything outside of their work. IE, not street smart.

RunningLogic's avatar

I have observed this as well.

Paula's avatar

I’m a member of two IRBs, one of which reviews many clinical trials, and the members have lengthy discussions about informed consent and the need to be honest with trial participants. Many of these people are highly credentialed specialist doctors or scientists as well. Yes every single person on both boards - apart from myself - is at least double-jabbed! And recently, a colleague told me that she always wears a mask whenever she goes out (especially on any form of mass transit ‘because I studied micro-biology’! Words fail me…

RJ Rambler's avatar

Now you're smarter than a genius! And I'm smart too! 🤓🧠👩‍🎓🎓🏅

Based Florida Man's avatar

And the reward for being in this club? No vaxidents or suddenlies!

Bugs's avatar

And we missed last year's "winter of death" that Brandon was selling... Everyone in Florida should be dead by now, right?

SB's avatar

Smart and common sense are 2 different things.

Irunthis1's avatar

I think Elon is pretending to be one of the rubes. I don’t think he’s stupid enough to get a second booster let alone the first original.

Donna in MO's avatar

Interesting....he is one of those I am not sure I trust, but I am getting a kick out of his tweets (and the liberal heads exploding response).

Harold Saive's avatar

Jab or no Jab, Elon's "propaganda" is enormously helpful at saving lives.

Harold Saive's avatar

A predictive comment by Elon Musk, the genius of NEURALINK brain enhancement, responding to his recent vaccine injury - "I dunno" - https://tinyurl.com/3waa2wzu

Raphael's avatar

Their answer to the human mind problem is neuralink instead of addressing the Psychological issues, The link is gonna be epic failure.

RunningLogic's avatar

Yes!!! I have the same thoughts and questions. Well said.

🌱Nard🙏's avatar

Proud to be part of the average intellect crowd...however, your comment seems to point to one of above-average intellect ;). You may need to find another crowd.

Humdeedee's avatar

And the spin on these celebs admissions will be..."but look, they aren't suffering from or being done in by these so-claimed adverse reactions. Nobody I know, including myself, has had any side effects. Stop being histrionic, covid-denier!"

Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

I agree with you 100% yes or no for intelligence. Way to simple. They like to complicate everything, with intelligence and science. lol

Politico Phil's avatar

You know, I wouldn't put it past Musk to say that even if he wasn't jabbed. He would do that just to bait them. Sometimes he is too smart.

Tory77simplifyfocus's avatar

I think he is smart and appreciates the principles of free market enterprise in our country. Like many foreigners, they see opportunity. He is clever… but it appears mostly independent. Don’t you appreciate the humor? Libs/Marxist have none.

Dee's avatar

stated on Twitter that he originally got the J&J shot, then had to get 2 mRNA shots because it was required for him to go to his Tesla plant overseas, I think in Germany.

Sunnydaze's avatar

In my opinion he is not worth listening to. He sold out, I think. Anyone supposedly as smart as he is and supposedly clearly saw the narrative, but still took it and pushed it isn’t worthy to be listened to. Let’s see his bank account. I bet there’s traces of govt money rubbing up against his “journalist” money and multiplying.

The DW (even Candace Owens - and I like her) are now spending their time doing stories on hollywood 🙄 and whether or not a 24 year old musician should be dating a 51 year old woman. Really? That’s their focus now? Pppfffttt. Throw them into the garbage can with all the others. Sellouts. Controlled opposition? They sure are bending to the will of big tech and govt. If they weren’t wouldnt they be banned off fakebook and all the others rather than being promoted by them? Critical thinking skills tell me if fakebook is promoting you, you just might be in their back pocket. 😒

Granny Annie's avatar

Yes, I have been very disappointed in Candace Owens lately. All she talks about anymore is celebrity fluff. Who the hell cares? Not me. She is wasting her talent. JMHO

Iron Horsey's avatar

She rose from obscurity and was making millions on FB I heard and now is doing her "job" at DW whatever that means. Blasted Crowder who released a private phone call over a proposed slavery contract that would have paid him $12 million annually.

Lon Guyland's avatar

It’s the lure of easy money. They’re putting on a show for profit.

Swedecelt's avatar

Sunnydaze have you listened to "A Shot in the Dark" on Parler by Candace? She is totally honest and has excellent information on all the "safe and effective" childhood vaccines. She never got the Covid vaccine and does not vaccinate her children. Yes, she responds to the newest media "thing", like Prince Harry and his book, etc, and she also covers much more in her show on the Daily Wire. I do not know what the company parameters are, but she seems to pick things that are important to her to cover and some of them are entertainment type things...and that should be allowed correct? Because, free speech and everything. I know she hit Balenciaga HARD about the child porn stuff and she never backs down from what she believes in. I have a membership at Daily Wire and that is the only way you can truly see everything they present. Some stuff I just don't care, and some things are well done, and some, like Ben Shapiro pushing the vax, make me cringe. Perhaps we all need to pick and choose based on what is relevant to us at that moment in time.

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Ya I like Candace Owens and she does a lot to expose stuff. I will not pay for DW but I see enough to know without paying for their content. And the big public feud regarding Crowder and the millions of dollars going on is shameful. At least Crowder exposed them and what would’ve led to them censoring his content. Which makes me put two and two together that big tech is pulling the DW strings. So no, Shapiro for many reasons is not worth listening to as I personally think he is paid off to appear one way but leans the other way and pushes their agenda. Follow the money as always.

I don’t waste my time on the hollyweird stuff. I was simply making a comment that it is beneath CO to waste her time on such dribble. But, that is her choice just like it’s my choice not to waste my time on it.

Swedecelt's avatar

Agreed... i’m so sad that Ben Shapiro went the way of the rinos!

LuAnne's avatar

The DW (Candace Owens, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, etc) and Steven Crowder are currently in a a very public war. Public and very unattractive mudslinging from both sides. The simple gist is that Crowder is furious with DW because their contract proposal to him was $12M per year versus the $15M per year he wants. So yes...it's all about the money.

I've grown tired of all of them.

Freebird's avatar

LuAnne, are you familiar with Jason Whitlock? He has a hilarious piece today comparing the DW and other media personalities to Game of Thrones characters. You’d have to know GOT to appreciate it, but its pretty insightful, and funny!

Tory77simplifyfocus's avatar

Jason is always funny and spot on! Very sharp

Swedecelt's avatar

LuAnne I am a Daily Wire member and I had not heard anything about Steven Crowder and this situation. I went on to look and see if I could find any information. The CEO, Jeremy Boring has a response to Steven Crowder about his accusations, and it is an hour long and he addresses the contract, as well as showing all corroborating evidence. Daily Wire offered Steven 50 million dollars over 4 years, and he counter offered asking for 120 million. The Daily Wire said regretfully we cannot afford that much money. Evidently that made him angry and he made his video accusation. It sounds like he really took it personally. He has lots of support out there and I am sure he will do great as an independent; it does not seem that the Daily Wire treated him badly though.

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LuAnne's avatar

DW is the Daily Wire. They're a news/entertainment company that claims to be geared to conservatives. They're only on social media such as fb, YouTube, Twitter, etc.

Iron Horsey's avatar

Pfister and the government had a lot of people on the payroll, a lot. Never trusted that guy because he reeked of GOPe establishment controlled opposition. Think you're correct you'll see government deposits in the bank accounts of some of those DW folks.

Carole's avatar

All we know is what we have been told.

Copernicus's avatar

Yeah, the numbers of people who are generally skeptical of government, yet went right along WITH government on this has been astounding and perplexing.

Jeff C's avatar

Unfortunately Shapiro is one of those people who repeats what he's told without critical thought. If he judges the person trustworthy, then he repeats the thought as his own without having thought it through himself. It's a lazy habit of the young, who haven't been burned enough in life, and think they are smarter than they really are.

Shapiro's wife is a doctor. I'm willing to bet she came home parroting AMA talking points and he lapped them up. What's even worse is that he's now claiming victim status (they lied to us!!) when his unthinking promotion of the jab likely led to many taking it. Has there been an apology? Perhaps but I've not heard it.

Maybe he'll grow up and gain some wisdom (along with some gray hair) but until that happens he is not to be trusted at face value.

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Mind boggling to see, as well as the extent to which people will cling to their beliefs that the govt. is their for us, and only cares about the "greater good".

I'm.......... baffled.

Lon Guyland's avatar

Almost makes you think his books and radio show are cynical pandering -- he talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk.

Donna in MO's avatar

Well I am not sure about his intentions, although I do think he makes a boatload of $$ off of his company, and from when I listened, a lot of young callers that he has helped to red-pill, so I give him credit for that, but also makes his jab promotion all the more insidious and wrong. But I am coming around to thinking that way too many of the so called conservative voices out there are indeed about pushing a product and profiting off of promoting anger vs promoting action and solutions. How many of these talking heads are actually DOING something about the things they are talking about? Not many, but this is why I love Jeff and C&C. Yes, talking about it, but also DOING SOMETHING!!!

Anthony's avatar

From what I can tell the only one is Matt Walsh.

But you're right in general. This was the issue I had with Rush. Sure, he spread the message, but he did nothing with that influence.

Tory77simplifyfocus's avatar

Matt Walsh is “ doing something “, “Charlie Kirk”. Moms for Liberty are taking off about parents and school curriculums. Can’t keep up. But tomorrow is March for Life. We have “doers” .

RunningLogic's avatar

I 100% agree about the “doing something”, I find those pundits who just like to talk and analyze and pontificate, but never have any proposals about what to actually DO about it all, of very limited interest. They’re generally preaching to the choir and although I guess they help disseminate information to some extent, I’ve found that I generally know things long before most of them start talking about them.

nik's avatar

Smarts and wisdom, clearly two totally different things .

RunningLogic's avatar

Exactly. Discernment is not the same as book smarts and the ability to understand complex abstract concepts.

nik's avatar

Yes! And I would add to that , "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding." 🙌

Freebird's avatar

Amen. Wisdom is what many intelligent people are lacking - the spiritual element which only comes from God. They may be ever so smart, but make poor choices and arrive at wrong conclusions because their decisions are based on human understanding without discerning the Truth. They don’t know God.

Jeff C's avatar

Amen. Wisdom comes from learning from one's mistakes which takes life experience and humility.

Uncle Juan's avatar

I think Shapiro is controlled opposition.

Michelle.'s avatar

Same for me. He was strongly promoting the jabs on his podcast long after it was painfully obvious they had failed at best and were causing mass death at worst. I unsubscribed and never listened again.

FourWinds's avatar

So the CDC redefined the word "rare" just like "vaccine" and "woman" were redefined. I can redefine "car" to mean anything with an engine, but my lawn mower still won't get me to work. That's how these people try to solve problems - just change the meaning of the word. It just shows that the best and brightest certainly work for the government!<sarcasm>

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This 'redefinition' phenomenon is not limited to medical terms. A friend gave public testimony at our local school board meeting this week about the book, All Boys Aren't Blue, which he attempted to read at the podium, which is basically a pornographic book that is available in our school libraries, the board approved it last year. Despite MO law banning the provision of pornography to minors, my friend was cut off, and escorted out by the police, for reading an excerpt from this book, as our board president said rules banned 'profane' language during public comments. But hey, the kids can check out the book. So: profane is defined as a parent reading a book at a meeting of adults, but its NOT profane for a child to read this same book?

And don't get me started on what they have done to the words 'dignity' and 'belonging'.

Oh Susanna's avatar

Good for your friend. This fight will be won by courageous people doing as he did and exposing the madness.

YYR's avatar

These "laws" banning groomer filth need criminal penalties and ironclad language. Case in point, the recent Project Veritas exposure of Georgia's new CRT program for kindergarteners, which the unqualified sicko admitted was just repackaged DEI. Similar in Virginia, great news laws but no actual change or follow-through. These laws sound great to voters, but in practice they don't do much.

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True, they just shape shift and change the language. The only real answer to this is school choice, where any parent is free to vote with their feet. Or homeschooling. Mine are grown, but some of this was getting started over a decade ago when they were in HS.

Copernicus's avatar

He who controls the language, controls….

Word redefinition has been happening for a long time, hasn’t it. Had to explain even to our kiddo yesterday why THE BIBLE translation had a disagreement between pronoun (their, plural) and antecedent (everyone, singular) because of the crazy insistence that “his” cannot refer to both males and to males and females. 🙄

daiva's avatar

💬 my lawn mower still won't get me to work

...unless you redefine work as well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

Thank you for that great laugh. I do enjoy sarcasm. lol

Laura Kasner's avatar

I had the honor and pleasure of meeting Dr. Cole while at CHD's inaugural meeting in Knoxville, TN in October of last year. I am passionate about defending this great physician.

My letter to Dr. Chung and the Washington State Medical Board (feel free to copy):

medical.complaints@wmc.wa.gov

Attn: Jimmy Chung, MD, Chairman, Washington State Medical Commission:

It MUST be determined who the spreaders of misinformation, disinformation and malinformation truly are.

It is NOT Dr. Ryan Cole, who has truthfully spoken out about the dangerous and deadly Covid shots. He has saved the lives of many Covid patients with safe and effective repurposed drugs. In particular, his own brother.

Dr. Cole has taken his oath to “do no harm” seriously – as every physician should be doing. It is clearly evident that most are not.

It is you and the Washington State Medical Commission who are negligently spreading false information about the safety and efficacy of the mRNA injections.

I hope you find it in your heart to do the right thing. You will indeed, one day answer for your crimes against humanity.

Sincerely,

Laura Kasner

Barnjai's avatar

You wrote exactly what I would have written if I were better at expressing myself. I copied and pasted your excellent letter and emailed it with the admission that I am not the original writer. Thank you for giving us permission to use your letter.

Laura Kasner's avatar

Barnjai - thank you! Absolutely my sincere pleasure.

crystal01681's avatar

I couldn’t be more convinced that the jabs are doing the harm and NOT the Covid virus. My neighbor who is 4x’s jabbed had clots in her groin after the second jab. She got a third jab anyway and had to be hospitalized for the pain and the urgency of having blood clots. Then she got jabbed again, because her doctor recommended it, because of her “health”, and she is now in ICU with a heart attack and is in a coma. She had to be transferred to a hospital in NYC for some type of procedure. AND - She never had Covid because she didn’t see anyone or go out of her house since Covid hit! So that’s my proof that IT’S THE JABS AND NOT COVID that got to her. And at her doctor’s recommendations. I have no idea if she’s ever coming home.

Based Florida Man's avatar

'The jabs keep you from clogging up the hospitals'.

Peace's avatar

Exactly! Since they clog up people's blood vessels and make them expire, they're not alive to clog up the hospital. I'm sure that's what was meant.

crystal01681's avatar

Oh - Just stop. The jabs do no such thing! In fact they cause injury that forces people to seek treatment OR they just die! Too many people are suffering from these jabs and doctors are overwhelmed at what they’re seeing on a daily basis. My neighbor is in the hospital because of heart problems from the jab. Clots and 2 heart attacks…..

YYR's avatar

BFM was agreeing with you, crystal. We all agree. So sorry for your friend.

JW's avatar

I'm so sorry for your friend. Just terrible.

Sara A's avatar

Sent:

Dr Chung & board,

Your unfounded attack on Dr Cole is political and must be stopped. You must allow Dr Cole to have a difference of opinion from you. When the public sees that you attack differing opinions, it lessens your argument and reveals your insecurities. He is not putting any lives at risk with his statements and is allowed freedom of speech. Likewise, you are allowed freedom of speech and can make a statement that you disagree with his recommendations. However, pretending that you have the answer to this novel virus and experimental vaccine is disingenuous at best. Attacking fellow doctors to support your argument is pushing more of us to speculate that you do not have the proof you need to validate your point.

Your attempts to silence opinion is well noted and the abysmally low ratings for Dr Chung gives one great pause to trust your advice.

Jeff C's avatar

Agree, good letter.

A bit of an aside but would you trust yourself to a surgeon named "Jimmy"? James or even Jim sure, but Jimmy? What is he seven years old? How about Jim-bob, or maybe even Jimmy-jim-jim?

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things" (1 Cor 13:11). As usual, Paul nails it.

Karen Bandy's avatar

Excellent! Very well written.

Andie's avatar

Just left an email for the Washington doctors who want Dr. Cole’s license! Doubt they will read it much less critically give it a thought. But I am always happy to help my favorite Pathologist!!! ( who I wanna work for as a PA 😉)

Lincoln's avatar

Andie, I wrote this email to Dr. Chung...sure felt good to hit that send button!

Dear Dr. Jimmy Chung,

As Chairman of the Washington Medical Commission reviewing the medical license of Dr. Ryan Cole, I felt impressed to communicate with you and your committee a few facts that you, a physician (with a 1.5 patient approval rating) are no doubt acutely aware.

The charge, as outlined in Medpage Today, headlined, “Medical Board Takes Action Against Misinformation Doc,” explained that “Pathologist Ryan Cole, MD, is facing discipline for negligence, spreading false statements.”

I am not going to bore you with pages of data that prove the effectiveness of Ivermectin vs Remdesivir in the treatment of the Covid-19, nor attach pages proving negligence and false “studies” published by the top medical journals, the pharmaceutical companies (for which you and your committee members are no doubt highly paid consultants), or pages of testimonials from citizens of this country who have suffered and watched family members die because their physicians were forced to follow CDC protocol so their hospitals could collect government payment for yet another Covid death.

Nor am I going to recite to you the Hippocratic Oath you, and Dr. Cole, took as physicians.

I am not going to regurgitate that information for you here.

You have all that information…if you are, in fact, a real physician.

What I am going to remind you, as you know, is that Dr. Cole did not for one minute “negligently spread false information about the safety and efficacy of the mRNA injections.”

Keep up, Dr. Chung. The tide is changing on your government and pharmaceutical emergency Bio Weapon jabs, and, if you do your research (now there’s a thought), you can confirm that.

Do the right thing.

The question your Commission should be answering is: Why did the Washington Medical Commission negligently spread false information about the SAFETY AND EFFICACY of the mRNA injections? That, Dr. Chung is the real issue your Commission should be addressing.

The citizens of the State of Washington deserve and answer to THAT question.

Steelhands's avatar

Just called the number and of course got voicemail. I didn't leave a message thinking that calling tomorrow when they are in the office would be better. They are three hours behind. (More than that I think! Lol)

Harold Saive's avatar

Jabs are effective at stopping pesky strokes when sudden death from Cardiac Arrest comes first.

Deby Harrow's avatar

Let’s look in Bidens garage or Hunters laptop. Shazam. All 220 billion will be found!

I’m glad Doctors are speaking up more but we gotta stop this insane nonsense of taking their medical license. Let’s take the CDC, FDA and all the alphabet soup and rid them. Problem solved.

Should we multiply Dr. Coke!?

RunningLogic's avatar

At this point, we should probably trust doctors whose medical license has been threatened or revoked more than the doctors who kept theirs. Clown world 🤡

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Sure, go ahead. I don’t have an account so no need to attribute it to me specifically.

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You are right. It’s crazy. They are behaving like mafia, they can’t win the argument with the facts so they are using force.

Harold Saive's avatar

See? Some ugly men use transgender tricks to get near females and little girls.

Jaci's avatar

I have thought that all along..free license to harm! I remember before it was mainstream being totally freaked out by a man’s boot under the stall divider in the woman’s room! I rushed out so fast immediately feeling unsafe! I was a grown woman...just think of how young girls feel!

If I had a daughter, she would be taught to never go in a bathroom alone. Isn’t that sad!

And many think the government is all about our safety! Social justice is an oxymoron!

Based Florida Man's avatar

Exactly.

Also white dudes become 'gay' so they get minority protection. If you want a job at big tech (g00gle, etc), then it helps a lot.

YYR's avatar

Or becoming Hispanic.

Chicago619's avatar

Yes, that’s exactly what this is. I don’t care what anyone says, if this issue came up when my daughter was in school I’d probably be in jail right now.

Based Florida Man's avatar

Two geniuses, Ben Shapiro and Elon Musk... make that three with Steve Kirsch, running out to get those jabs. No critical thinking I guess. And did Elon actually get 4 of those dam shots? What the flying frick!

Peter Schott's avatar

Well, Kirsch was red-pilled about that earlier on. He told that story recently on his substack. He fully admits he was all-in for people getting the jabs because he trusted the experts .. because they were experts. (a common reason from those I've spoken with who are pro-jab)

It took someone challenging him with facts that he had 3 people close to him pass away shortly after getting their jabs. Steve said that was impossible and actually looked into it. He found out ... it wasn't so impossible after all and was, in fact, quite likely. I think he said it took about a month for him to see that truth and then he couldn't unsee it. He's now near the top of the list of results if you do a search for "misinformation spreader" on any of the popular search sites.

You'd hope that more people with critical thinking skills would start with "what unknown long-term effects might come from taking a brand-new, experimental drug where the manufacturer has no liability" but sadly far too many just went with it and trusted the talking heads. :(

Fla Mom's avatar

Like British cardiologist Aseem Malhotra; it took his father's passing away, and the post-mortem that probably only a prominent cardiologist could demand, that revealed the beginning of the truth to him.

mimi's avatar

I like Kirsch but it is so Silicon Valley to rely on "experts".

Most experts are idiots. I also learned not to pay attention to most of them on TV. I think it was during the Gulf War where they started putting "terrorism experts" on CNN. I immediately wondered how people get certified for that.

And I used to have respect for college professors but many of them have turned out to be just as bad. But at least they have credentials....I suppose.

MDs I have never had any respect for. Individual ones, sure, but as a group, no way.

Fla Mom's avatar

'Credentialism' has now been exposed. Credentials might have meant something, long ago, but have not for a long time, 'thanks' to the determined encroachment of leftism, taking advantage of that trust in credentials. You might have had more reason to trust the 'terrorism experts' than many who are credentialed. For example, which terrorist is credentialed as a 'terrorism expert?'

mimi's avatar

These terrorism experts were not any of the reformed former terrorists. They were just a bunch of academics.

Loretta's avatar

Credentialism is far too rampant in our society. Consequences include far too many youths end up in college for the credentials that employers demand, even though trade or other opportunities make more sense (and are so desperately needed but under appreciated).

Hence our K-12 system is garbage, pipelining for the credentials instead of authentic knowledge and critical thinking.

CMCM's avatar

I've learned to mostly dismiss those who tout their "credentials". In large part, those with vaunted credentials are often (but not always) operating with tunnel vision and are immune to considering alternate opinions from their own. It's a kind of elite vanity about how much they think they know. They clearly don't understand the idea of "the more I learn, the more I realize I don't know."

Johnny-O's avatar

An expert is someone who articulates the consensus of those in power.

Fla Mom's avatar

That's an "expert." An expert, a real one, is what we all know an expert to be. Hence, we listen to Jeff on topics only tangentially related to his area of credentialed expertise.

refusenick's avatar

Mimi - don’t you think it’s also very Silicon Valley (and Bay Area generally) to misperceive the latest (received) “cool” notion as a well-considered personal view, and then be intensely smug and condescending to those that don’t share it?

mimi's avatar

Sure but probably more in the South Bay. I live in San Francisco. I had idiots on the street scold me for not wearing a mask outside.....and there is a "woke" bookstore in my neighborhood which gave up on vax checks and masks but still requires a vax check for live events. (I used to go in there all the time. Now, none of their books interest me.) But a friend of mine gives me reports from Mountain View where she lives and it's much, much worse there.

Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

lol, "terrorism experts" still laughing about their credentials. lol

Donna Ruth's avatar

“because they were experts”

I suspect many in the professional classes went the jabbity route because these “experts” were their peers, their colleagues. It was the pressure of the class in which they lived, and they could not bear being exiled. The pedestal of professional was too comfortable and affirming. And in time you knew it would become evident if you were the unjabbed professional: You had no passport; job was threatened; you were banned from restaurants and sporting events.

Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

People are basically lazy, they don't want to do the research. Quite simple. It is in black and white. They just want to get on with their lives and believe so called "experts". They like living in the gray zone. The same people who research stock options, don't take the time to research health options. Just an example. Very Sad.

Unapologetically Me's avatar

My sister is "too busy". She rarely has the time to visit our mum or to pursue any health (jab, Ivermectin) research I relay to her...

She's too busy Spa pampering the dogs, driving to Palm Springs to renovate the RV, hiking with dogs and husband, getting her hair colored...

You know: No TIME!

mimi's avatar

Malone too! Why on earth did he get them? I'm a nobody and I knew better.

Sunnydaze's avatar

Isn’t it weird that us un-intelligent people w/o degrees from universities and who do not run billion dollar businesses knew better than to inject ourselves with an experimental shot full of experimental ingredients that we knew little about?

I’m floored at how intelligent I became and how brain dead they became when we all had access to the same information, mis information, disinformation, transinformation (lol), experts, non-experts, govt doctors and non govt doctors (and on and on it goes). And yet the cream rose to the top! Purebloods (and I actually hate that term) turned out to be the cream. The separation happened (I think that’s science? I’m not sure anymore). I think we all know, NOW, who the intelligent ones actually are.

JW's avatar

All I had to hear early on was that it contained MRNA. Trying to manipulate God's creations on a whim has never gone well and never will.

Fla Mom's avatar

I've come to think that the group you describe yourself being part of has more reason to have a different experience of, and so point of view about, whether the 'credentialed' and moneyed classes generally live The Golden Rule or not, so perhaps you have more reason to be skeptical and to not extend a high level of trust based solely on position. I think this notion helps explain why so many early Trump supporters were working-class people, at least where I live. I couldn't see what they could see, until later. In retrospect, it also explained why I saw comments from similar folks, implying serious dishonesty by our State Attorney, months before he was indicted, surprising the 'credentialed' class.

CMCM's avatar

Yep, my sentiments exactly. I'll add that just because you can study a subject and regurgitate facts and eventually earn a degree or two or three, that doesn't mean you are "intelligent". It doesn't mean you are smart. There's a kind of survival level street smarts intelligence that some people just don't have, which puts them in a position of depending on any old thing some "expert" might tell them.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Smarter than a genius we are. 🤓

Andie's avatar

I think Malone also wanted to attend conferences and the jab was required.

Based Florida Man's avatar

If he was smart he would have declined any event with mandatory medical BS requirements. But I guess he was in too much of a hurry to get around. He admits that even years ago he knew FDA and CDC were all corrupt. Yet he followed their guidance? I don't get it.

Donna in MO's avatar

I quit following Malone's substack, as I got tired of his bitching about people who questioned his credentials. He still has one foot in the academic world and its whole corrupt and stupid measurement of intellect system, and mourning the fact that he has lost his 'expert' status. And frankly, can't exactly put my finger on why, but I just have trouble trusting him.

Fla Mom's avatar

I don't think it was just conferences, I think it was his business, meeting with people around the world, and combined with the advice he apparently got from people he apparently trusted about the possible help with long COVID, making his day-to-day business life much easier may have just tipped him over to getting it.

VeryVer's avatar

Yeah, a lot of things "required" the jabs, like travel etc., and these high-flying people didn't want to be left out. People I know got the JJ jab early (and no boosters) to get it over with --later it was hard to find JJ.

Lincoln's avatar

VeryVer...my friend in California who has had melanoma, got the jab so she could travel. She couldn’t understand why my husband and I would not get jabbed so we could travel. I asked her what was more important...a trip abroad or her life.

Then she told me her melanoma is back in full force (turbo?); she didn’t connect the two. I had her sign up for C&C.

mimi's avatar

My husband had to get the jab (J&J) and a booster to visit his 105 year old dad in the Philippines. He believed in the vax for awhile (kept asking me if I didn't want to get it) but he hasn't gotten any more boosters.

Pam's avatar

I heard Malone in an interview say he took the shot because it was supposed to help long covid. But it didn't.

Fla Mom's avatar

And because it made his constant international travel easier. Both, I've heard him say.

mimi's avatar

Yeah, my brother was scared of getting the sequelae. Still stupid.

I haven't asked my brother what he thinks these days.

nmbr3480's avatar

Malone said he took the shot very early on assuming it would help. He had heart complications afterwards which spurred him to do his own digging.

mimi's avatar

Very early on, I decided that I didn't want people messing around with my mRNA, even though I didn't really know what that was but I didn't want it messed with.

My husband's family all went out and got it, while they all swapped stories about how long it took to get over being sick from the vaxes.

I will say that my brother-in-law and sister-in-law claim that they know a lot of people who died from Covid. I still don't know anybody but whatever....

Fla Mom's avatar

The few I know were old and/or sick, but whether it was COVID or the "treatment" protocols, such as making it 'wrong' to treat before virtually terminal illness severity and only using 'authorized' products and procedures as in-patients, that killed them is impossible to say. I now know almost the same number who died from the injections as putatively died from COVID, and one of those was young and healthy (and a nurse, who pushed the rest of her family to get them, and her father died suddenly, as did she).

Donna in MO's avatar

I would correct them to say, no they did not die 'from covid' - they died from the covid protocols. I lost 2 friends in 2021 to the hospital protocol. Both early 60s, some co-morbidities, had the shots, and then, 'covid', and then the vent and rundeathisnear. Definitely gutted my trust in hospitals after that. An unjabbed friend, also early 60's with some heart issues prior to this, did end up hospitalized, but was given steroids and blood thinners and survived, he was lucky. Got the 'stay home and take tylenol' line of BS when he first tested positive, and refused my offer to bring him the Zelenko protocol. Waited to go to the hospital until he had trouble breathing. So many stories like this out there, it's so sad.

mimi's avatar

Yeah, he damn near died.

Harold Saive's avatar

Malone discovered that the shot was much more than the simple application of mRNA technology.

Copernicus's avatar

He has said he got them because he believed or at least hoped that what was being said was true regarding jabs helping with long virus, which he had at the time.

Sunnydaze's avatar

Even if he believed or wanted to believe what they said and that it would help with whatever else they said….”long covid” - just the simple fact of what little we knew they were putting in these shots, the fact they wouldn’t even disclose some of what they were actually putting in them, the fact it was experimental and hadn’t been tested yet….shouldn’t THAT basic knowledge have been enough to make people say hold on, that’s not getting injected into me? That’s pretty basic stuff.

Pam's avatar

Elon originally said he and his family weren't getting the shot. And now he's boosted?

Based Florida Man's avatar

That's what I understood as well. Defiantly that his kids weren't getting jabbed. Although that part may still be true.

Elaine H's avatar

I sent an email to Dr Jimmy Chung that if they were looking for misinformation they had to look no further than the CDC. Will Dr Cole need some money to defend himself???

Paul Ashley's avatar

Far too much great stuff to comment on (thanks Jeff) so I'll leave it at this:

"More Australians than ever are dying from fatal heart attacks ..."

Uh, can one recover from a fatal heart attack? As far as I can figure, if it's fatal, you die. Or am I missing something?

SB's avatar

But, if they weren't shot, it would be so much worse!

Peter Schott's avatar

I guess there's some technical "dead, but revived" type status, but those sorts of headlines are always ... interesting. :)

Terry's avatar

I try to not routinely watch the mainstream news, but when I do, it seems every other commercial is for a drug. Fascinating!

mimi's avatar

They've taken over Jeopardy too and not just the commercials. They had lots of questions (um, answers...) that referenced the jabs. Moderna was a sponsor for a small tournament they had to select the final people for their Tournament of Champions. At the end of the tournament, the Moderna name appeared in the spot on the podiums where they show how much money each person had won.

Karen's avatar

Wow. Haven't watched Jeopardy since Alex passed away. Sounds like I haven't missed anything.

mimi's avatar

It's been OK lately. Except of course there are still drug commercials. But I still fondly remember the Art Fleming days of my childhood.

Karen's avatar

Art Fleming was the best! I was in elementary school, the question were so difficult I was happy if I knew one of them!

mimi's avatar

They did get complaints. I don't know if they will do anything like that again.

There's a guy who runs the Jeopardy Fan website which still advises people to take the shots. He was complaining on his twitter feed about people complaining about the Moderna ads. What a bonehead.

SB's avatar

Pharma owns most MSM outlets. Not long ago, there was a video making the rounds of all the pharma ads that run on MSM outlets and basically, the video said "so, now you know why the MSM is all in on the jabs, they are paid to be."