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Karen Bracken's avatar

The American people are about as worthless as the government. Most Americans would rather take the easy way and just obey. I am always amazed at how much abuse Americans are willing to take oh and aside from yelling at the TV (which they should throw in the trash) they will do nothing to protect the future for their children.

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Khallas's avatar

This is the biggest problem. The American PEOPLE. I don't recognize them. Especially since, where I live, they're still mostly masked and repeat like robots, "This is a private business we require masks masks are required here" without considering FOR A MOMENT that our country is now lying in the dust and they are the agents of that destruction. When did the American people become Communists?

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Karen Bracken's avatar

Any business that requires a mask does not get my business. Any business that refuses to take cash does not get my business. In the future this will be more and more of a problem but I will eat grass from my back yard before I give in to these genocidal sociopaths. I do not think the American people have become communists......it is worse than that. They have become obedient sheep who would rather be slaves than fight back or disobey. The Christians believe God will not allow our demise to happen but that is not true. God has commanded the demise of many people in the Bible when they turned away from God's word and lived in sin. God expects us to fight the battle on earth to fight against the sinners. He will decide the outcome but it is WE THE PEOPLE that must do the right thing in the eyes of God or we shall feel his wrath.

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Khallas's avatar

I agree, but here in Seattle every single medical establishment (even if there is just a hint of a medical connection) proudly refuses service to anyone without a mask. We don't wear them, but that means we cannot go to a doctor, so we better not get sick (or need physical therapy, or dermatologist). My kids were kicked out by our dentist of many years because I refused to mask them (for 5 seconds crossing the lobby). I have a friend who is worried her cancer has come back but she refuses to mask so she cannot go to the doctor. People who wear masks have NO IDEA the persecution we still endure with this issue of conscience. The disheartening part is the finality and robotic indifference with which these un-American mantras are repeated by the mindless masses. It's sickening.

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Karen Bracken's avatar

Try going to a doctor outside of the communist state of Washington. You might have to travel a bit. I would advise your friend to contact a state legislator but in Seattle you don't have much of chance with them either. There are places your friend could go and get care without wearing a mask. Any doctor that refuses treatment because of refusal to wear a mask needs to be brought up on charges but Americans just don't go there. I know I would be making a phone call before I left the parking lot to a good attorney and file charges with the medical board. They took an oath to DO NOT HARM. You could always put a for sale sign up and move to a more freedom loving state. I did it. Left family and friends behind and moved to TN 13 years ago. I saw the handwriting on the wall well over 20 years ago.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

We left our beloved Emerald City (Seattle) in May 2020.

Not looking back.

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Jenny Holmes's avatar

Left in May 2022.

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Khallas's avatar

She's a fighter. She filed Notice of Violation papers to the perp who refused her service that same day. Here in Seattle we're using Common Lawful (commonlawful.com) papers like toilet paper, serving them to mayors, city council members, CEO of Boeing (in his own home out of state), governor...and medical tyrants. No constitutional lawyers in WA state who will take the cases, or judges who will rule justly, but the hope is these notices will come back to bite them when they seek to distance themselves from their criminality.

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Karen Bracken's avatar

Good for her and your troops but she needs to care for her health and should look outside your state for help.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Ok, here's my great story about that. Hearing aids: In Oregon the Costco won't let you in the testing booth without mask. So I planned to visit my daughter in Bellevue, WA so called their local Costco just in case. Yes, they didn't require mask so I bought new aids there. Then they needed adjustment so on a trip to Idaho I got that done. Now my local Costco does the grunt work, servicing and cleaning, without having received the benefit of the sale. Yes, medical might mean some traveling now but it's doable. Most other basic medical don't require a mask here in S OR even tho it's still a state (fake) rule. I even went to a doc in liberal Eugene and not only no mask, they had the Oregonians for Medical Freedom brochure in waiting room!

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Karen Bracken's avatar

Yep we just have to think outside the box and it may require a bit of inconvenience but that is a small price to pay for freedom. THANKS!!

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RunningLogic's avatar

That is the dumbest argument people keep using, I can’t stand hearing it! So if a private business requires female patrons to wear a burka or everyone to wear a bondage dog collar thingy or high heels or overalls to enter (and those are not even MEDICAL DEVICES like masks are!), people would be ok with that?? And I am not talking specialty shops where they could just say, “well I just would t shop there.”

No, regular supermarkets and other stores that most people need to go to for food, medicines, etc. There is absolutely no reason that any private business should tell people what specific items of clothing to wear, let alone a medical device!! (And I know, people use restaurants requiring a jacket and tie as examples but those are mostly outdated and don’t really represent any particular burden to wear).

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Karen Bracken's avatar

We both must have been responding at the same time. During COVID I NEVER wore a mask. Food stores will bring your bags to the car and you can order on line. But I went into the stores and guess what not one person said anything to me. There is always an alternative. When I went to the doctors or dentist I refused to wear a mask and at times had to wait outside until my turn but that was ok with me. I was not going to put a filty rag on my face that caused more harm than good just because these robots said so. And when we run out of alternatives that is because Americans have become slaves obeying the orders of their masters. Americans are not stupid people. We have invented things over the years that have made us a country that everyone wants to come to so what makes us think these people do not still exist. They are already starting (albeit too slowly) alternatives. My state of TN has legislation this year to create a state bank, a gold depository and the ability for Tennesseans to use gold and silver as currency to pay taxes. This is the kind of stuff and power the states have if they would grow a spine and follow the Constitution. The ONLY legal tender is gold and silver and it is clearly stated in the Constitution. Learn to grow food is probably the most important thing we could do. There are a lot of foods that grow without seeds. Carrots, garlic, onions, strawberries, avocadoes, potatoes just to name a few.

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Khallas's avatar

My mask story. My daughters and I were put on the "no fly" list for Alaska Airlines because I refused to mask IN THE AIRPORT (except to check in at Alaska desk and of course I was going to mask on the plane). Airport is different jurisdiction from Alaska. Alaska employee chased us down in the concourse and demanded we mask. When we refused, because he is not an authority in the airport, he canceled our flight without telling us, and they wouldn't tell us where our luggage was. We got in the car and drove THAT DAY to Phoenix. My husband won't mask ever and had cops called on him (and he's called the cops) just to check out groceries. He couldn't go to work either. I could go on...I've been screamed at numerous times, cursed loudly (by men), physically threatened (by men), and have been refused service far too many times to count. We ordered groceries too, but we didn't lock down, so we went on road trips, etc. and had many interactions. We are quiet, law abiding people who hate confrontation. The "land of the free and the home of the brave" is as dead as the Constitution is.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Ugh I’m sorry you had to go through all that 😞 I was denied entry to several stores and given dirty looks but never physically threatened or screamed at. This is why I think the health departments need to have power taken away and also businesses who want to institute these rules should be prevented from doing it.

I agree that what happened was disheartening, but on the other hand, I think a lot of people also have had their eyes opened since. So I am not quite as pessimistic.

I really don’t understand the buying online as a “protest” though, to be honest. You are still rewarding the store with your business and still playing their game by their rules. It doesn’t hurt them at all. It’s as if black people during the civil rights movement had said, well, if they refuse to serve me inside that restaurant, I will just sit outside. How would that have any effect? Why would they even care? Allowing them to exclude you from in person shopping based on a medical choice is accepting a violation of your rights imo.

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Khallas's avatar

We didn't accept it but some days you're just too tired to fight. Some days I'd rather starve than go through that again. But we do have kids who need to eat.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Oh yes I totally get that. It does wear you down and some days it’s certainly tougher than others 😞 I got so tired of fighting with stores, schools, legislators, everyone, sometimes… But you still did so much more than most people!

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Karen Bracken's avatar

These stories from brave patriots make my heart happy.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Good initiatives in TN!

Well I admit I did wear a mask initially because where I was, you would get thrown out for not wearing one and I refuse to shop online for groceries. That’s just as bad imo, marginalizing people and making them stay out of stores. It should always be my choice to pick out my own produce or whether I prefer to have someone else do it. When the rules became more relaxed and the mandates went away, stores still supposedly required them but by then I also knew enough and had bad enough experiences with masks (high blood pressure spikes for one) to refuse and by then stores were less gung ho about applying the policy. I still got yelled at but it didn’t go any further. My parents were refused service at the only grocery store in their town when they didn’t mask and didn’t have a delivery option. So it’s not always that easy and that’s why I think we need to push lawmakers to codify this, so that businesses cannot require it and health departments won’t have that power either.

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Karen Bracken's avatar

I did not say to shop on line for groceries. You go to your supermarket website and sign up. you order stuff from the grocery store and select a pick up date and time. You open the back of your car and they just put the groceries in your car. You don't even get out of your car. When they are done close the door and drive away. I even tried to offer a tip one time and was told they are not allowed to take tips. Many many stores offered pick up service but people needed to get out of their box and find one. EVERY grocery store where I lived offered pick up service. And when I traveled to PA same thing. Even in rural TN they offered pick up at all supermarkets. Lawmakers are bought and paid for. We have to stand up and fight back. Stand outside the supermarkets and stores that require masks and picket their business. Search for alternatives even if that means you have to travel a bit.

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RunningLogic's avatar

It’s pretty much the same thing 🤷‍♀️ You even said you order on the grocery store’s website. You never go into the store. My point is, I WANT to go on the store because I WANT to see the products and choose them myself. I don’t want someone else to do that for me, whether I get it delivered to my house or pick it up outside the grocery store.

That said, I definitely will have a stronger reaction if this ever happens again. I realize now I shouldn’t have gone along with it at all. I was mistaken in what I initially thought. I wouldn’t have gone along with it at first if I had known more about the masks and hadn’t believed the droplet theory at first. After a few weeks and things going on and on, I came to realize more about what harm masks did. So yeah some of us didn’t have your brilliant insight at the very beginning and were a little late to the party. And no, my parents did not have delivery available in their rural area. Their house is too far from town and on a dirt road. So it may be possible in many places but it isn’t everywhere.

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Karen Bracken's avatar

Picking out my own bananas is not as important to me than my freedom. If I could rely on the American people to refuse to shop in these places I would not have to resort to ordering my food and picking it up because the store would either change its policy or go out of business but way too many Americans masked up and were too lazy to even research the dangers of the mask which were much worse than COVID and the people that remained sick were those that masked up and took the injection.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I think with hindsight, what was lacking was an organized resistance. I am sure we would have had more of an effect (and people who would have been too scared to resist alone would’ve been more apt to do something) if we’d had groups unmasked or picketing/protesting and things like that. There were more people than I thought who didn’t agree with all the draconian measures but thought they were alone so couldn’t do anything (a tactic Hitler understood and used very effectively against people). Hopefully we will be able to stop it happening again by getting together and using our strength in numbers. The shrill supporters of Covid policies do not outnumber us imo. And the ones who are apathetic will just go with the stronger side. We need to be the stronger side from now on.

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RunningLogic's avatar

But you’re still shopping there? Just not in the store (unless I’ve misunderstood something?). So I don’t understand what difference it makes to refuse to shop inside the store but still buy your groceries from there. Ok you don’t wear a mask but the store isn’t losing your business so how is that changing anything? They don’t care, they’re still getting your money. It just perpetuates the problem rather than solving it imo.

And I do agree that it was not helpful that most people just wore the masks, and said if you don’t like it shop online. This is why I am for prohibiting businesses from imposing medical interventions on customers. They should be sued for discrimination at the very least.

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Politico Phil's avatar

In school.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

That and venting on social media. Sometimes, I believe THAT'S the reason SM was created. To provide a way to vent off pressure rather than taking try physical action.. People don't realize they're all screaming into a black hole.

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

Horribly sad but too obviously true.

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