When the USA invaded Iraq in 2003 there were a few set goals in place. Depose Saddam. Replace the government with a democratic one. Defeat the military. Gain control of the entire country.
Russia's goals in the beginning were similar, except they intended to annex all of the coast including Odessa, turn Ukrain…
When the USA invaded Iraq in 2003 there were a few set goals in place. Depose Saddam. Replace the government with a democratic one. Defeat the military. Gain control of the entire country.
Russia's goals in the beginning were similar, except they intended to annex all of the coast including Odessa, turn Ukraine into a rump nation with no army, no navy, and no airforce, much like Belarus, and a puppet government. Deport the population, crush their identity, and replace them with Russians. Russification at its finest, in 2022.
If the USA had invaded Iraq, made it to baghdad, been pushed back to almost the starting point, Saddam was more popular and going on live TV roasting Bush, the Iraqi army was more powerful than before, the Iraqi army was pushing the USA back in several areas and had defeated the USA in several large battles, and the USA was over 11 months behind on it's goals and having to conduct a national draft to fill manpower qoutas would we really be winning?
The USA threw numerous human wave attacks of 18-22 year olds from Georgia and they were crushed with enormous loss of life.
"Oh but the USA has 20% of iraq!" (it's actually about 16 percent, including what was already held before)
That's immaterial because we intended to occupy the entire country in a few days and have the entire country to partition as we pleased.
"The USA is grinding the Iraqis down!"
Umm, we are having to conduct a national draft and lost 1730 Abrams tanks, a carrier flagship, 137 THOUSAND men, got routed in 3 major battles, and lost hundreds of planes and helicopters.
We are now resorting to putting m48 and m60a1 tanks back into service.
Iraq would be winning and rightfully so.
But here we are.
354 days later into Russia's 3 day war and Russia is putting Pantsir ADA units on the top of the Moscow Russian military headquarters.
Because they're winning.
Russia is losing this war and showing how strong the west and nato is.
Fun fact: Ukraine is winning.
When the USA invaded Iraq in 2003 there were a few set goals in place. Depose Saddam. Replace the government with a democratic one. Defeat the military. Gain control of the entire country.
Russia's goals in the beginning were similar, except they intended to annex all of the coast including Odessa, turn Ukraine into a rump nation with no army, no navy, and no airforce, much like Belarus, and a puppet government. Deport the population, crush their identity, and replace them with Russians. Russification at its finest, in 2022.
If the USA had invaded Iraq, made it to baghdad, been pushed back to almost the starting point, Saddam was more popular and going on live TV roasting Bush, the Iraqi army was more powerful than before, the Iraqi army was pushing the USA back in several areas and had defeated the USA in several large battles, and the USA was over 11 months behind on it's goals and having to conduct a national draft to fill manpower qoutas would we really be winning?
The USA threw numerous human wave attacks of 18-22 year olds from Georgia and they were crushed with enormous loss of life.
"Oh but the USA has 20% of iraq!" (it's actually about 16 percent, including what was already held before)
That's immaterial because we intended to occupy the entire country in a few days and have the entire country to partition as we pleased.
"The USA is grinding the Iraqis down!"
Umm, we are having to conduct a national draft and lost 1730 Abrams tanks, a carrier flagship, 137 THOUSAND men, got routed in 3 major battles, and lost hundreds of planes and helicopters.
We are now resorting to putting m48 and m60a1 tanks back into service.
Iraq would be winning and rightfully so.
But here we are.
354 days later into Russia's 3 day war and Russia is putting Pantsir ADA units on the top of the Moscow Russian military headquarters.
Because they're winning.
Russia is losing this war and showing how strong the west and nato is.