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Yes! When he listed Mormons in the article I almost choked. My son is friends with a lot of them and they are fully woke, vaxxed, masked and sold out to to the liberal agenda. I was shocked. And these were young missionary women!
And don’t even get me started on Evangelicals and Catholics. Biggest disappointment ever 😔.
The Amish…. of who I know many and communities of many as that what my husband grew up around as some of his family are still Amish….they didn’t get covid or vaxxed because they don’t watch TV. So there’s that. 🤷♀️
Mormon leaders pushed bigly the vaxx. I live near Lancaster County PA and the Amish thought the "English " lost their minds. I told them a lot of them did.
So true! We've seen an uptick in autism over the years and my mom did her research when I was a baby and decided not to Vax. I have chosen the same route, but when I told my doctor he blamed it on a new book that he said was bubkis. Why do doctors disregard real actual concerns and ignore reality? Because they get paid to. We lack real scientific doctors and have just mouthpieces for the pharmaceutical companies. Follow the money.
FL Surgeon General Dr. Joe Ladapo has a book titled "Transcend Fear" and one chapter discusses how in medical training, when they get to vaccines, it's pure indoctrination, not science. I have not read the book - this is a statement Dr. Ladapo made in his Epoch Times American Thought Leaders interview.
Good for your mom not vaxxing you! I'd be surprised if your physician was informed enough to even KNOW about "Turtles All the Way Down: Vaccine Science and Myth." It's a book that should red-pill anyone who is really thinking.
Also "Turtles all the Way Down: Vaccine science and Myth"
Is also excellent. There's mountains of evidence against vax's that's been censored, scrubbed and some whistleblowers have even been suicided to dare and speak out against the Medical Cabal.
In the last few years, we have seen a few doctors. Nearly all are captured by The Circular Loop, the owned and paid for schools, journals, government health care 'public/private partnerships and the like. But not just health care has been captured.
I had a growth removed from my neck recently. Yesterday I had the stitches taken out. I asked the doctor one question. I asked if he knew what graphene was and it's uses. He did not. Even so, this was one of the one or two better experiences of the last three years. Humane, warm, not institutionalized feeling, and not so much in the government's pocket.
Yeah, my husband used to be less anti Vax. He had all his shots and didn't understand why I didn't want to Vax my kids...he let me do as I felt led to, though, and now is so happy I had the guts to go against the norm.
We are conditioned to vaccinate. It’s just what “good parents” do. Until they put their thinking caps on. That was me until 2002, when i swallowed the red pill. Once you do that, you question the whole pharmaceutical industry. When covid hit, I was primed to see their corruption.
Very true. It’s an accepted ritual and most parents just never think about it. But I’ve talked with several “autism moms” who have severely damaged children and finally came to terms with the whole vaccine indoctrination. These women have friends, who have friends. This is how the truth came out in the past. Someone knew someone and they talked. But now it’s as if a floodgate has been opened and more and more parents are questioning the practice. There will always be counter pressures but at least it’s a start. I really recommend that people here do the deep dive and read up on childhood vaccines. It’s mind-boggling.
It's deeper, I truly believe, than just vax's = bad. It's allopathic medicine. The AMC,
Allopathic Medical Cabal. Search out medicine before and after the Flexner report,
I believe it came out in 1910.
Not the wiki version either. What happens is with the influence of Rockefeller who financed the report they crushed all the other treatment options in the U.S.A.
Vilifies and gaslit all opposing views and treatments.
When my first born was 9 weeks old, he received his first DPT shot. He died less than 72 hours later.
I was very young and we didn't have the Internet but I got a real education from that experience. My three subsequent children were not vaccinated. They're all still alive and well.
We sued DHHS under the vaccine injury act and won. That was quite an education, too. VAERS is a joke. My own child was never reported.
I always kind of understood the argument that vaccines help more people than they harm. If this was true though, why would they have to be mandated?
My only sister, who just passed in March with a big hand from the Medical Cartel also might be a victim.
Her first born (1975) died from so called SIDS or 'crib death' I believe was another term they gaslighted the masses with. I remember the articles written in the top medical journals reporting studies that a child was more likely to succumb to SIDS if they sleep on there stomach.
So to see forty or so articles popping up of all the different reasons why young adults are having heart problems is disgusting to say the least but pure evil in my eyes.
The coroner who did my son's autopsy ruled it a SIDS death. My uncle was the one who asked my parents if my son had been recently vaccinated. We may have come up with our own ideas once the shock had worn off, but my uncle asked about it immediately. My story is anecdotal, but I'm certain SIDS isn't caused by stomach sleeping. I'm sorry your sister had to experience the death of her child. I pray the together again. God bless.
Lancaster county - just beautiful!! We have wonderful memories of a family trip there when our kids were young. We took a hot air balloon ride that went on forever (the day/wind were ideal, we got lucky!) over the most beautiful countryside. We were only there 3 days and were NOT ready to leave when the time came. Amazing people, warm, wise and welcoming...we would love to visit again someday. Lucky you living there! 🙏🏻🇺🇸
I live in southwestern Ontario Canada...the Amish were encouraged not to take but many did anyway. many have bought into the whole agenda as well as many other varieties of mennonites! Before Christmas a young amish mother was found dead. She was a mother to 4 children and expecting the 5th with no known health issues. It breaks my heart to see what is happening
Sharryl Attkisson went to Lancaster, PA to speak with Calvin Lapp. What a great guy -- and that line about the English? I wonder how many actually got what Lapp meant by that? Hilarious. In an interview overflowing with great points, this is one of my favorites:
"It’s a worse thing to quit working than dying. Working is more important than dying. But to shut down and say that we can't go to church, we can't get together with family, we can't see our old people in the hospital, we got to quit working? It's going completely against everything that we believe. You're changing our culture completely to try to act like they wanted us to act the last year, and we're not going to do it." - Calvin Lapp.
I did not see it. Thank you! I just read it. It was great and exactly what the Amish community where my husband grew up did and the same results. They just lived life normally. I know this because my husband has many siblings (and my husbands parents grew up Amish but left the Amish prior to marriage because they didn’t want to raise their kids in that belief system and my sister in law married a man who also grew up Amish but had left the Amish church) who still all live there. One of his siblings is the only English that live on their dirt road-the rest are Amish. It’s a whole other world when we go visit.
I do want to point out the flaw at the beginning of the article. Amish are not a Christian group. They are a cult. They have some of the nicest people who are genuine and friendly. But they do what their bishops tell them and follow whatever rules their particular church tells them. They do not have freedoms to stray from what the bishop decides. Which is why one church can’t have a mower with rubber tires but across the street they can. It all depends which church you attend and which rules that bishop sets. If you break the rules set by the Amish you are excommunicated which means your family will not be allowed to have contact with you until the bishop says otherwise. My husbands aunt and uncle got married in the Amish church and then left the Amish. Because of that their own siblings couldn’t sit at the same table with them for decades. And a whole host of other rules of excommunication. Some of them are the most racist people too. My husbands grandpa (who had passed before we got married 30 years ago) said church was no place for a black man. Super nice guy but racist pig, really. And what I’ve shared is just the tip of the iceberg.
Anyway, just wanted to set that part of the article straight. 😂 🤷♀️
Thank you, Sunnydaze. I am woefully ignorant of the details of Amish life, but I had this idea that it was strict and maybe just a little bit wackadoodle with respect to some of their rules. Is there a difference between Amish "Christians" and Mennonite Christians? Seems so...Calvin is Mennonite.
Regardless of the bigotry of some (I always cringe at that) or the wacky rules, not a single Amish "Christian" or Mennonite Christian demanded I obey unlawful government edicts like the vast majority of "regular" "Christians" in this country did.
Honestly I only know the area we are from which is in Michigan. I don’t think there’s a difference between an Amish Christian or a Mennonite Christian. I actually just called my husband cuz I wanna get this right 😂
He said they are like anyone else in the way that some of them pursue a relationship with Jesus and some don’t. They will hear the gospel message in church IF their bishops teach that. So it depends on where you go to church. And where you live determines which church you go to.
They do think of themselves as Christians. Some will be real Christians but stay in the Amish church. Some will leave and become Mennonite.
Just like all the others of us. I think there are Catholics where some will be in heaven and some won’t. Protestants - some will some won’t.
Because ultimately the religion doesn’t matter. It’s the heart, the surrender to Jesus that matters, the confession and repentance of our sin. So for the Amish….again, wonderful people who are kind and I can see why you enjoyed going there and they didn’t impose all the stupid covid garbage on you. Honestly, the Amish did a better job than Christians did. I was disappointed with so many of my Christian friends who I had previously trusted and respected. Lost that respect unfortunately 😏
I hope I said all that correctly. I don’t often have conversations about he Amish on the internet. 😂
I really don't want to be a source of discord, but my Catholic faith requires me to object. No one whatsoever can enter the Kingdom of Heaven unless he/she submits to the Church created by Jesus Christ and founded on the Rock (Peter) - the Holy Roman Catholic Church.
I love my Protestant friends here dearly. But Protestants cannot enter Heaven. That is de fide from the Catholic Church founded and personally given the authority to bind and loose sins (Mt. 16:18, et seq.) by Jesus Christ.
I think John Calvin was a Catholic until they parted ways and he became a reformer. A Protestant. In fact I think he tangles mightily with the Anabaptists. Mennonites are Anabaptists.
You are right in that they seem to live under the (man-made) law and sincerely believe that without obeying the Ordnung (local Bishops Rules)they cannot see heaven. They are trapped in legalism but in recent years many have been evangelized by the Mennonites and many are recovering the Gospel of Grace. They are good, solid people and are an example to us of how to care for one another.
I don’t disagree. But again, they are no different than the churches we are talking about all over this thread today. God is breaking down the buildings of Church and raising up the church in the hearts of His people. Religion is not relationship.
The Amish as a collective group are considered a cult. That does not mean there aren’t Amish people who converted over to Mennonite. But once they do that they don’t call themselves Amish anymore; they’re Mennonite. That’s what my in-laws did before getting married.
My father in law “hauled Amish” (being a driver for them since it’s ok to ride in a car but not drive one) after he retired and spent many hours talking with all the ones he grew up with. Wonderful caring people. But the Amish as organization is the definition of a cult.
We. Our family is intertwined with them to this day. Amish blood runs through my kids blood because that’s the lineage of my husband. I’m thankful my in laws found Jesus and left the Amish, and raised their kids Mennonite. None of who are still Mennonite today - but all love and serve Jesus in many different non-denominational churches. Without that I would not have the wonderful husband and kids I have today.
We, the non Amish, are the English. I left my libtard area to shop in Lancaster County and it was refreshing. I told many of these covidiots not to leave their immediate area as most would look at them like lunatics.
Anyone that watches the NFL imo, is supporting Satan and is a Traitor to All that have been murdered and disabled by this evil cabal. Sponsered by the death Needle, Pfizer.
Americans, including those claiming to be Christians are not willing to put aside their entertainment to actually stand for what is right. Revelation talks about the sad state of churches in the first chapters. We see it in the lukewarm behavior of those who are Christian in name only, but are not following Jesus.
In her book about training a 'cadaver' dog -- a dog used to find dead bodies or the remains of dead bodies --Cat Warren makes a passing reference to the 'open' police secret that Superbowl games are used for child trafficking. In New Orleans, the year she wrote the book, a number of children (I've forgotten the number, maybe a dozen), were rescued by rescue dogs. See What the Dog Knows: The Science and Wonder of Working Dogs by Cat Warren.
I saw many of these ads during NFL games the past couple months. They blatantly manipulate Scripture and truth to push an agenda. Very disappointed to know Hobby Lobby is involved in this.
We saw this ad on a show we were watching that happened to be live (we don’t usually watch live tv anymore) and we saw one of those commercials. Very interesting that although it said something with a bit of truth sprinkled - it did not sit right with me. I didn’t take the time to research what it was BUT now that I know what it is I KNOW my discernment is right on! I knew something about it was waaaay off and I had a feeling it was manipulative in what they were pushing. We HAVE to listen to our God given wisdom and discernment or we will be led astray for sure! The devil is working overtime to deceive us all.
My husband was the same way! I hadn't seen any but one and thought it was weird, but he said he'd seen a few and they didn't set well with him. I just showed him the article and he feels justified. This is so crazy that they'd water down the word like that. Doesn't Paul warn about this?
i'm not wondering at all end game is one worldism one currency one economy controlled by elitist technocrats a technocracy if you will where the supply of all goods is determined by the govt (climate change) and not the free market (Capitalism). We had a taste of it under Trump where US became energy independent. If truth be known and the US could develop all their Oil (not fossil fuel) resources to the greatest extent this would end up unleashing the greatest economic boom the world has ever seen with gasoline available at the pumps of say $ .25/gallon!
King of Kings and Lord of Lords comes down from heaven and out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. That's my guess. They are trying to take down as many of us as they can before then.
I have not seen the ads so I will wait to see them to render an opinion. I will say that my brother was gay and grew up in a Evangelical church. When he was older he tried the churches that sprang up to "support" gays, but knew that their doctrine on other things was way off base. He knew that we, his family, loved him more than life itself, but considered what the Bible said was true, it is a sin (just as many other things are sin, like lying). The old saying, "Love the sinner, not the sin," is true. I will also say that a large swath of gays have some sort of substance abuse issue, as my brother did. It is important to love them and support them as they fight the alcoholism or drug addition. If the ads say that they love them and want to help them, I am okay with that. If it somehow condones the sin, then I have a problem with it.
The one I've seen shows someone laying in bed alone and says over the screen Jesus was lonely too. He gets us. It was very weird. And if He was in constant fellowship with God other than the brief time on the cross, it feels misleading.
Chick Filet, Hobby Lobby…..seems we worship mammon now. Let the corporations bow to Baal, we must continue to walk with Christ no matter what the culture descends to. If we persevere we will overcome by our faith and the blood of the Lamb. He has promised!
Yeah, besides a few insular communities like the Pennsylvania Dutch, covidianism was rampant throughout most religious and secular communities. Of the few remaining friends and several new friends I have (both religious and non-religious) I have found commonalities to be natural skepticism and a comfort level calling B.S. regardless of the level of "authority" a pronouncement comes from.
Yes I was surprised to see that mention of the Mormons also. I had the impression that most in the LDS got vaxxed to the max. Can anyone here tell me differently?
Yes they were instructed by their prophet early on to take the vax. I know many who were skeptical but once they were told by church leaders to get it they blindly followed. I’ve told a few whom I’m close to that perhaps he’s a false prophet. Very difficult uncomfortable conversations.
I just finished a wonderful book written by a former Mormon, Lynn Wilder. She and her husband were in the Mormon church for 30 years! Their son became a Christian while on his Mormon mission and later, the entire family became Christ followers. I find it hard to believe that the average Mormon knows exactly how crazy the beliefs of the church are. The book is Unveiling Grace. Her son, Micah, has also written a book called Passport to Heaven.
Always happy to have an honest conversation about it. I respect everyone’s personal experiences, but in a trial, you don’t just listen to one side, do you? Information is always biased and colored by personal conviction and experience, so I would not take an “ex” member as a firm authority. Just saying. 🤷🏻♀️
I agree that experience is not always reputable, but she cites passages from Mormon books and tells about such things as baptisms for the dead, which I don't think any Mormon would disavow. She cited this passage from Doctrines and Covenants 132, "Abraham received concubines and they bore him children and it was accounted unto to him for righteousness." The Bible states something very, very different in several places. Here's Romans 4:3 "For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness." Let's not argue, however, each person can make up his or her mind. Thank you for your comment.
Might want to slow your roll, lots of “crazy” beliefs have been becoming obvious and common lately. On the other hand, you are likely correct, the “average” anything is pretty uninformed and clueless.
My mom and one brother are still Mormon, the rest of took our parole years ago and ran. Fortunately neither of them had the shots but neither are listening to anyone talk about the evils of this being pushed by their church. They are more than happy to engage in conversations of the evils of OTHER PEOPLE pushing the shots. Interesting level of cognitivie dissonance.
The bible warns us to be aware of false prophets. We are clearly in the end times. Not use how long we will be here, but we are here. You must know your bible. BIBLE is Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth! When the vax was first introduced something in my gut said "NO". This was before I even read the Pfizer data dump on all the adverse reactions or even saw friends having adverse side effects. Something inside me knew it wasn't good. I call that wisdom and discernment. When you truly know God and follow his word, he gives you wisdom and discernment. Know the "truth" and it shall set you "free"!
Happy to. Civic responsibility is something we take seriously, so a lot of people were willing to suspend disbelief in that vein. But from the heartland of Salt Lake, I will tell you that not as many got vaccinated as you would think, it caused a lot of frustration, and like anyone, this is a difficult and nuanced concept to grapple with. I love President Nelson and know that everyone is tested in complicated ways - and we have to learn hard lessons. I also know that we are dark territory these days, and Satan would love nothing more than for us to abandon our faith and turn on each other. We have bigger issues to face.
Not a mormon, so I've only read and listened quite a bit about the religion. My impressions as an outsider:
The faith is inherently heirarchal and based on prophetical authority and preisthood authority. Joseph Smith and all subsequent presidents are considered prophets of God and as such their pronouncements have the weight and authority of coming directly from God. It would be unfaithful to disobey or disregard what he says.
Was President Nelson's admonition in the form of "I think you should get the shot but follow your conscience and doctor" or was it "Everyone needs to do this"? If the latter, I don't understand how anyone could not get it and still consider himself or herself in good standing.
There was no admonition. There was no delivered-from-the-pulpit request. It was a PR release that the First Presidency signed their names to that recommended to do the things (including “thoughtful direction from government leaders” - which pulled the rug out from the recommendation right there) like masking and getting vaccinated, but work with your doctor. Many overreacted and were angry at the church for stepping into the fray, and maybe they felt like they had to say something in a watered down way. I wasn’t there. I was upset, as well. But there was never an order to do it, nor was there even much talk about it from leadership in general - beyond the PR statement.
Now to be fair, I have a lot of angst about the way the church handled it. I have learned the hard way to be wary of pharma and doctors and government intrusion. Now the church has to learn the hard way, too. I can’t be shaken, though. But Satan sure tried these last couple of years. And for many, he was quite successful and dislodging people from their anchors. It’s incredibly sad.
Ok, I guess the LDS church is only as culpable for pushing the poison as the lengths they went to push it. If they didn't push it real hard, then their sins are less. They were hardly alone among religious organizations in being confused and misled about these things.
BUT, if President Nelson is a cardiologist, that's pretty damning. I hold medicine as a whole highly culpable for not standing up against this nonsense, and any individual doctors, especially those whose specialties cover aspects of the jabs, hold eternal shame and responsibility for anyone they influenced to get a shot that went on to harm or kill him. They absolutely should have known better. And if there is a cardiologist who also happens to be a prophet of God, then it seems to me there are 3 alternatives:
-he's a terrible, terrible doctor (odd God would choose such a doctor)
-he's a false prophet
-he's a real prophet and WE'RE all wrong about the vaccines, and covid generally.
Yet, if you live in Utah you probably have seen Mormon leadership doing ads and issuing of public statements (which Mormons read) saying "just get the shot! It's safe and effective.". That includes their president who I think was a heart surgeon so that holds extra sway. There is an implicit, if not explicit, "rule" that you get jabbed. The outlier, IMO was BYU that did not require jabs to attend. The mormon church was also mask crazy. BUT regular mormons stopped that nonsense pretty quickly in the stores and schools.
Of course I'm not a mormon so I have no real idea what goes on in the belly of the beast.
Another point is the church used the word inoculate rather than simply vaccinate. Thus it was also recognizing natural immunity. Lots did get vaxxed for work/education/convenience reasons, sadly. But there were a not insignificant faction that refused.
Most were simply unthinkingly compliant. But took the masks off as soon as they could.
Note he said Traditionalist Catholics and I can tell you from personal experience with several traditionalist parishes - my husband and I attend two and our family attends others - very few of them are vaxed and even during the height of the idiocy here in California very few wore masks and most of us never did. In addition, the priests kept celebrating mass in parking lots, fields, wherever they could for the faithful who came in very large numbers to stand side by side with their fellow believers. The greater Catholic Church is a sell out, as all things run by men tend to become over time, but the traditionalists, despite the war against them, are holding strong and growing. God always has a plan that is bigger than any of us. Our trust is in Him. Praise be Jesus Christ, now and forever.
I am glad you were able to experience the Mass of the Ages, yet do wish it had been under better circumstances! That being said, it was our experience also, as those coming or going to the Novus Ordo after/before the Latin Rite all had masks with signs on all the doors (sadly the only time I was ever harassed for not wearing a mask was in the Catholic church). But the Latin mass attendees by and large went mask less and vaccine less. Fortunately we had been attending the Latin mass for about a decade so it was our community and it truly was like a life preserver during the darkest of times as being unvaxxed and unwilling to wear a mask, my husband and I lost a lot of our greater "community" to our "selfish uncaring ways".
I've been going to Latin Mass off and on for over 30 years. My parents discovered many years ago that there was a weekly Latin Mass in Baton Rouge, LA at St. Agnes Church. They began going on a regular basis. I was very glad when my own church began a weekly Sunday Latin Mass some years ago.
I am so happy for you. What a joy to have been able to take part in the beautiful mass for so long!! I pray that your Bishop keeps the Latin Mass for the sake of your souls and his.
Thank you so much. Ever since Traditionis Custodis, my prayers have been for the preservation of our Latin masses as I have yet to find a Novus Ordo near us that does not border on the heretical (at least materially speaking). And truly I believe the Latin mass is our Catholic heritage and as a mother and now grandmother, I would be absolutely bereft if I did not do all I could (which at this point is mostly pray) to make sure it survives the current modernists who have taken over much of the church hierarchy. I believe St. Athanasius should be all Latin rite mass believers patron at this moment as he faced down the Arian heresy quite alone among the leaders of his time. Not budging one iota!! May he give us all the strength to stave off all the current heresies bent on corrupting Holy Mother Church.
I love your comment. My parish just held a mission about devotion to the Holy Face (as seen on St. Veronica's veil) It is a confraternity we can join. The priest was from the Benedictines in Gower Mo., St. Martin of Tours is one of the patrons of this confraternity. It is to pray for an end to communism and the conversion of sinners.
I thought it was no longer allowed, but, in reality it's not allowed to be advertised. So, we still have our weekly Latin Mass but it is not listed in the bulletin. It's pretty ridiculous that it has to be that way, but it seems even the Church is infected with "you are not allowed to know", just like other organizations.
Yes, traditionis custodes was anything but an upholding of tradition and was actually quite a bizarre document. You cannot advertise a mass in your bulletin, nor can you celebrate a mass in your church if it is the ancient rite?? Yet, are those not the reasons for the bulletin and the church? If it was not so evil, it could have been read as a satire that would have given the Babylon Bee a run for their money.
Yes - you are not allowed to know for your own good... Last I checked, God gave us free will, if He did this, who are governments or other organizations to take that away. Give me the information and let me discern for myself.
Yes! My Traditional Latin Mass parish did not require masks and actually told us not to get the abortion-tainted shot. It seems as if there are two Churches now.
Bingo! That's because there ARE two Churches. One remnant that still preaches the same 2,000 year old Catholic faith, and the other modernist infiltrated one that is a chastisement from God.
As just one more piece of evidence, why do you think Paul VI rewrote all seven sacraments?
Although I obviously cannot prove it, I firmly believe this is the withheld explanatory segment of the 3rd Secret of Fatima, which Our Lady directed to be revealed in 1960, because (according to Sr. Lucia) it would be more clear then.
That's why the antipope Communist John XXIII suppressed it.
Remember the Four Marks of the Church beginning with that it must be ONE in faith and doctrine. How's that working out?
So true and I add them all to my prayers as I believe every Catholic should be given the opportunity to see the truth of our faith in all its glory as shown in a unique and sacred way through the High Mass of the Tridentine rite. Christe, exaudi nos. Our Lady of Lourdes, ora pro nobis.
Agreed. The two roads emerged most prominently in 1517 and it appears many in the "Catholic" church chose the road trod by a man, rather than the one trod by Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Did he not himself warn that the world would hate those who followed him - why do so many in the church today seek outward adulation?
Paul VI, the unhappy pope and legacy to the worst destruction the church has ever seen (Did any of the Medici popes even come close???), is definitely an enigma whose absolute rupture with Sacred Tradition should have been burned in a cleansing fire rather than been able to see the light of day and become "standard practice". Clearly the church needed more like Ottaviani and LeFebrve, who recognized no pope was to change Christ's church, but rather were only to preserve what had been handed down to her through the centuries. Yet Her battles have always been fought with the few rather than the many. In addition, Our Lord promised the gates of hell would not prevail and He would be with us always, even to the end of time. No matter how humans corrupt the church, the remnant you speak of and that we are experiencing today will always be in existence. Praise be Jesus Christ, now and forever!!
I too think you are correct in your assumption about the secret of Fatima. Our Lady has been trying to warn us on so many fronts and yet so many continue to ignore her. Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.
Several Latin mass parishes we are aware of did the same. Thanks be to God. Our Latin masses are in diocesan parishes that bought much of the narrative. Fortunately our bishop did not advocate for the shots but he also didn’t preach against them. Most of our fellow mass attendees did not wear masks or get the shots.
Yes, it does appear there are two different factions at work. I suppose this time we are experiencing now and the current Pope have required many fence sitters to reconsider. Which is never a bad thing!!
In my church there was a distinct division according to age. Almost every single young person, young parents refused the vax. This was most of the church.Masks became contentious sadly and the compromise was that there was one service per month where masks were required but were optional for the rest of the month. So nobody was really happy. One largish group boycotted the mask-only Sunday and had worship among themselves. Even now, there are vehementl elderly who completely support the injections and masks but we all just try not to talk about it. Very sad.
Agree! I'm Catholic and was appalled at how the Pope and many prominent clergy were encouraging, often forcefully, people to get vaccinated. EVEN after Dr. Malone visited the Vatican in September 2021 and shared with Cdl. Peter Turkson how the decision to vaccinate the entire population was based on flawed data, bad science and how individual rights were being compromised. The Vatican continued to require vaccination...
I was so angry when I saw Franklin Graham encourage Christians to get vaxxed. I replied to his comment with some truth and have not followed him since.
As many churches and Christians shift according to cultural beliefs the Bible is the inerrant, inspired, authoritative Word of God. Its testimony to Christ should move us to repent and believe the Gospel. Without the Word we can’t grow as Christians and should never ignore it, apologize for it or minimize it. There are still some denominations that have held fast to the authority of God’s Word; the evangelical reformed Presbyterian Church of America, the Southern Baptist Convention, the Calvary Chapel Association of Churches to name a few. Many of the mainstream churches have fallen to woke-ism and the culture, including the UMC(United Methodist Church), ELCA(Evangelical Lutheran Church in America), and many Catholic Churches. God does call us to worship with other believers but if you can’t find a church where you live at least watch a solid televised service every week so you’re continuing to hear the truth of God’s Word. It can be challenging. When we moved to Kansas City we attended 5-6 churches before we found a theologically sound church rooted in God’s Word. We need to be really firm in the Truth to stand up against the cultural lies.
As far as I know, no churches in my denomination, the Reformed Church United States, ever had a vax requirement or supported the government narrative. I live in Nebraska, and, other than healthcare employees, no one was required to be vaccinated here. The battleground was masks.
The vast majority of my local church members never wore masks nor was a mask sign ever posted on our door, despite the local mandate. My pastor led a Bible study focusing on the rights of the conscience called "Lessons from 2020." He also wrote a religious exemption to mask wearing for one family to submit to the public school. (Amazingly, the school honored it!) One of our e
You need to consider the Church has been captured, too.
Yes! When he listed Mormons in the article I almost choked. My son is friends with a lot of them and they are fully woke, vaxxed, masked and sold out to to the liberal agenda. I was shocked. And these were young missionary women!
And don’t even get me started on Evangelicals and Catholics. Biggest disappointment ever 😔.
The Amish…. of who I know many and communities of many as that what my husband grew up around as some of his family are still Amish….they didn’t get covid or vaxxed because they don’t watch TV. So there’s that. 🤷♀️
Mormon leaders pushed bigly the vaxx. I live near Lancaster County PA and the Amish thought the "English " lost their minds. I told them a lot of them did.
The fallacy of most in this country is not so much about this particular experimental vax's but the belief that vaccines in general are beneficial.
When did educated people come to believe that injecting poison (all vax's) into a healthy person, especially a baby, is sound medical policy ?
So true! We've seen an uptick in autism over the years and my mom did her research when I was a baby and decided not to Vax. I have chosen the same route, but when I told my doctor he blamed it on a new book that he said was bubkis. Why do doctors disregard real actual concerns and ignore reality? Because they get paid to. We lack real scientific doctors and have just mouthpieces for the pharmaceutical companies. Follow the money.
FL Surgeon General Dr. Joe Ladapo has a book titled "Transcend Fear" and one chapter discusses how in medical training, when they get to vaccines, it's pure indoctrination, not science. I have not read the book - this is a statement Dr. Ladapo made in his Epoch Times American Thought Leaders interview.
Good for your mom not vaxxing you! I'd be surprised if your physician was informed enough to even KNOW about "Turtles All the Way Down: Vaccine Science and Myth." It's a book that should red-pill anyone who is really thinking.
I've also been told many times that in medical school they get next to no nutritional training. That explains a lot.
Thanks Bmom, I will definitely check it out.
Also "Turtles all the Way Down: Vaccine science and Myth"
Is also excellent. There's mountains of evidence against vax's that's been censored, scrubbed and some whistleblowers have even been suicided to dare and speak out against the Medical Cabal.
here's more ammo for you....
https://www.bitchute.com/video/6KJaNoGcC4n9/
In the last few years, we have seen a few doctors. Nearly all are captured by The Circular Loop, the owned and paid for schools, journals, government health care 'public/private partnerships and the like. But not just health care has been captured.
I had a growth removed from my neck recently. Yesterday I had the stitches taken out. I asked the doctor one question. I asked if he knew what graphene was and it's uses. He did not. Even so, this was one of the one or two better experiences of the last three years. Humane, warm, not institutionalized feeling, and not so much in the government's pocket.
I'm waiting for the typical pro-vax response.
" What about polio.....smallpox.... the horror ........aahhhhhhghghh !!!!!
😂 😜 😂
I believe living in fear makes it hard to share your love. And that's a travesty.
Yeah, my husband used to be less anti Vax. He had all his shots and didn't understand why I didn't want to Vax my kids...he let me do as I felt led to, though, and now is so happy I had the guts to go against the norm.
Well I had chickenpox when I was 6 and I almost died (not)
We are conditioned to vaccinate. It’s just what “good parents” do. Until they put their thinking caps on. That was me until 2002, when i swallowed the red pill. Once you do that, you question the whole pharmaceutical industry. When covid hit, I was primed to see their corruption.
Very true. It’s an accepted ritual and most parents just never think about it. But I’ve talked with several “autism moms” who have severely damaged children and finally came to terms with the whole vaccine indoctrination. These women have friends, who have friends. This is how the truth came out in the past. Someone knew someone and they talked. But now it’s as if a floodgate has been opened and more and more parents are questioning the practice. There will always be counter pressures but at least it’s a start. I really recommend that people here do the deep dive and read up on childhood vaccines. It’s mind-boggling.
It's deeper, I truly believe, than just vax's = bad. It's allopathic medicine. The AMC,
Allopathic Medical Cabal. Search out medicine before and after the Flexner report,
I believe it came out in 1910.
Not the wiki version either. What happens is with the influence of Rockefeller who financed the report they crushed all the other treatment options in the U.S.A.
Vilifies and gaslit all opposing views and treatments.
A study on autism began our initial research and our eventual decision to stop vaccinating.
When my first born was 9 weeks old, he received his first DPT shot. He died less than 72 hours later.
I was very young and we didn't have the Internet but I got a real education from that experience. My three subsequent children were not vaccinated. They're all still alive and well.
We sued DHHS under the vaccine injury act and won. That was quite an education, too. VAERS is a joke. My own child was never reported.
I always kind of understood the argument that vaccines help more people than they harm. If this was true though, why would they have to be mandated?
It breaks my heart to hear your story.
My only sister, who just passed in March with a big hand from the Medical Cartel also might be a victim.
Her first born (1975) died from so called SIDS or 'crib death' I believe was another term they gaslighted the masses with. I remember the articles written in the top medical journals reporting studies that a child was more likely to succumb to SIDS if they sleep on there stomach.
So to see forty or so articles popping up of all the different reasons why young adults are having heart problems is disgusting to say the least but pure evil in my eyes.
God Bless you and yours GG
I'm so sorry for your losses.
The coroner who did my son's autopsy ruled it a SIDS death. My uncle was the one who asked my parents if my son had been recently vaccinated. We may have come up with our own ideas once the shock had worn off, but my uncle asked about it immediately. My story is anecdotal, but I'm certain SIDS isn't caused by stomach sleeping. I'm sorry your sister had to experience the death of her child. I pray the together again. God bless.
probably a leftover from the middle ages, where cauldrons were stirred with animal's intestines and poisonous plants. Oh wait, that were witches.
Lancaster county - just beautiful!! We have wonderful memories of a family trip there when our kids were young. We took a hot air balloon ride that went on forever (the day/wind were ideal, we got lucky!) over the most beautiful countryside. We were only there 3 days and were NOT ready to leave when the time came. Amazing people, warm, wise and welcoming...we would love to visit again someday. Lucky you living there! 🙏🏻🇺🇸
I live in southwestern Ontario Canada...the Amish were encouraged not to take but many did anyway. many have bought into the whole agenda as well as many other varieties of mennonites! Before Christmas a young amish mother was found dead. She was a mother to 4 children and expecting the 5th with no known health issues. It breaks my heart to see what is happening
That's sad. 😔 They should have stayed true to their beliefs and not the worldly.
Sunnydaze, did you see this: https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/10/amish-covid-no-hospitalization-isolation-or-vaccines-herd-immunity/
Sharryl Attkisson went to Lancaster, PA to speak with Calvin Lapp. What a great guy -- and that line about the English? I wonder how many actually got what Lapp meant by that? Hilarious. In an interview overflowing with great points, this is one of my favorites:
"It’s a worse thing to quit working than dying. Working is more important than dying. But to shut down and say that we can't go to church, we can't get together with family, we can't see our old people in the hospital, we got to quit working? It's going completely against everything that we believe. You're changing our culture completely to try to act like they wanted us to act the last year, and we're not going to do it." - Calvin Lapp.
Amen! Man after my own heart.
I did not see it. Thank you! I just read it. It was great and exactly what the Amish community where my husband grew up did and the same results. They just lived life normally. I know this because my husband has many siblings (and my husbands parents grew up Amish but left the Amish prior to marriage because they didn’t want to raise their kids in that belief system and my sister in law married a man who also grew up Amish but had left the Amish church) who still all live there. One of his siblings is the only English that live on their dirt road-the rest are Amish. It’s a whole other world when we go visit.
I do want to point out the flaw at the beginning of the article. Amish are not a Christian group. They are a cult. They have some of the nicest people who are genuine and friendly. But they do what their bishops tell them and follow whatever rules their particular church tells them. They do not have freedoms to stray from what the bishop decides. Which is why one church can’t have a mower with rubber tires but across the street they can. It all depends which church you attend and which rules that bishop sets. If you break the rules set by the Amish you are excommunicated which means your family will not be allowed to have contact with you until the bishop says otherwise. My husbands aunt and uncle got married in the Amish church and then left the Amish. Because of that their own siblings couldn’t sit at the same table with them for decades. And a whole host of other rules of excommunication. Some of them are the most racist people too. My husbands grandpa (who had passed before we got married 30 years ago) said church was no place for a black man. Super nice guy but racist pig, really. And what I’ve shared is just the tip of the iceberg.
Anyway, just wanted to set that part of the article straight. 😂 🤷♀️
Thank you, Sunnydaze. I am woefully ignorant of the details of Amish life, but I had this idea that it was strict and maybe just a little bit wackadoodle with respect to some of their rules. Is there a difference between Amish "Christians" and Mennonite Christians? Seems so...Calvin is Mennonite.
Here is a more recent article on how people in Calvin's community compare to the "average" college graduate in the U.S. -- on eighth grade educations: https://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/amish-education-12-29-2022.
Regardless of the bigotry of some (I always cringe at that) or the wacky rules, not a single Amish "Christian" or Mennonite Christian demanded I obey unlawful government edicts like the vast majority of "regular" "Christians" in this country did.
Honestly I only know the area we are from which is in Michigan. I don’t think there’s a difference between an Amish Christian or a Mennonite Christian. I actually just called my husband cuz I wanna get this right 😂
He said they are like anyone else in the way that some of them pursue a relationship with Jesus and some don’t. They will hear the gospel message in church IF their bishops teach that. So it depends on where you go to church. And where you live determines which church you go to.
They do think of themselves as Christians. Some will be real Christians but stay in the Amish church. Some will leave and become Mennonite.
Just like all the others of us. I think there are Catholics where some will be in heaven and some won’t. Protestants - some will some won’t.
Because ultimately the religion doesn’t matter. It’s the heart, the surrender to Jesus that matters, the confession and repentance of our sin. So for the Amish….again, wonderful people who are kind and I can see why you enjoyed going there and they didn’t impose all the stupid covid garbage on you. Honestly, the Amish did a better job than Christians did. I was disappointed with so many of my Christian friends who I had previously trusted and respected. Lost that respect unfortunately 😏
I hope I said all that correctly. I don’t often have conversations about he Amish on the internet. 😂
I really don't want to be a source of discord, but my Catholic faith requires me to object. No one whatsoever can enter the Kingdom of Heaven unless he/she submits to the Church created by Jesus Christ and founded on the Rock (Peter) - the Holy Roman Catholic Church.
I love my Protestant friends here dearly. But Protestants cannot enter Heaven. That is de fide from the Catholic Church founded and personally given the authority to bind and loose sins (Mt. 16:18, et seq.) by Jesus Christ.
I think John Calvin was a Catholic until they parted ways and he became a reformer. A Protestant. In fact I think he tangles mightily with the Anabaptists. Mennonites are Anabaptists.
You are right in that they seem to live under the (man-made) law and sincerely believe that without obeying the Ordnung (local Bishops Rules)they cannot see heaven. They are trapped in legalism but in recent years many have been evangelized by the Mennonites and many are recovering the Gospel of Grace. They are good, solid people and are an example to us of how to care for one another.
I don’t disagree. But again, they are no different than the churches we are talking about all over this thread today. God is breaking down the buildings of Church and raising up the church in the hearts of His people. Religion is not relationship.
The Amish as a collective group are considered a cult. That does not mean there aren’t Amish people who converted over to Mennonite. But once they do that they don’t call themselves Amish anymore; they’re Mennonite. That’s what my in-laws did before getting married.
My father in law “hauled Amish” (being a driver for them since it’s ok to ride in a car but not drive one) after he retired and spent many hours talking with all the ones he grew up with. Wonderful caring people. But the Amish as organization is the definition of a cult.
We. Our family is intertwined with them to this day. Amish blood runs through my kids blood because that’s the lineage of my husband. I’m thankful my in laws found Jesus and left the Amish, and raised their kids Mennonite. None of who are still Mennonite today - but all love and serve Jesus in many different non-denominational churches. Without that I would not have the wonderful husband and kids I have today.
We, the non Amish, are the English. I left my libtard area to shop in Lancaster County and it was refreshing. I told many of these covidiots not to leave their immediate area as most would look at them like lunatics.
Interesting! I took Calvin's comment to mean something else, but what he actually meant was that 𝒂𝒏𝒚𝒐𝒏𝒆 non-Amish (Mennonite) was "English?"
The Amish speak German as Lancaster County has a lot of sects that came from Germany etc. The rest spoke English.
Amen to that indeed! Very wise words.
Yea, saw an article the other day where Hobby Lobby is funding a program (an Super Bowl commercial) promoting LGBT+whatever. Sad :(
Anyone that watches the NFL imo, is supporting Satan and is a Traitor to All that have been murdered and disabled by this evil cabal. Sponsered by the death Needle, Pfizer.
Americans, including those claiming to be Christians are not willing to put aside their entertainment to actually stand for what is right. Revelation talks about the sad state of churches in the first chapters. We see it in the lukewarm behavior of those who are Christian in name only, but are not following Jesus.
Yes. That was also made evident in other religions and spiritual practices.
In her book about training a 'cadaver' dog -- a dog used to find dead bodies or the remains of dead bodies --Cat Warren makes a passing reference to the 'open' police secret that Superbowl games are used for child trafficking. In New Orleans, the year she wrote the book, a number of children (I've forgotten the number, maybe a dozen), were rescued by rescue dogs. See What the Dog Knows: The Science and Wonder of Working Dogs by Cat Warren.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17571809-what-the-dog-knows
I agree, and thanks for saying!
https://www.revolver.news/2023/02/hobby-lobby-and-other-conservative-evangelicals-are-behind-huge-ad-campaign-using-jesus-to-promote-illegal-migrants-and-lgbtq-agenda/
This is incredibly disappointing 😳
I saw many of these ads during NFL games the past couple months. They blatantly manipulate Scripture and truth to push an agenda. Very disappointed to know Hobby Lobby is involved in this.
We saw this ad on a show we were watching that happened to be live (we don’t usually watch live tv anymore) and we saw one of those commercials. Very interesting that although it said something with a bit of truth sprinkled - it did not sit right with me. I didn’t take the time to research what it was BUT now that I know what it is I KNOW my discernment is right on! I knew something about it was waaaay off and I had a feeling it was manipulative in what they were pushing. We HAVE to listen to our God given wisdom and discernment or we will be led astray for sure! The devil is working overtime to deceive us all.
My husband was the same way! I hadn't seen any but one and thought it was weird, but he said he'd seen a few and they didn't set well with him. I just showed him the article and he feels justified. This is so crazy that they'd water down the word like that. Doesn't Paul warn about this?
I have seen those ads. Co-opting Christ to accept evil. We all know what that is. Saw it just before the fall of man.
It's like Chick-fil-A started with the woke crap. The Left still hates them.
But their sales are bigger than ever, so it's not like they are paying for the lefty activism.
never been there and never will.
Wow. Very interesting. Wondering what their end game is with this?
White replacement strategy.
I believe, and with good reason along with strong research, it's more likely a seven billion elimination strategy.
i'm not wondering at all end game is one worldism one currency one economy controlled by elitist technocrats a technocracy if you will where the supply of all goods is determined by the govt (climate change) and not the free market (Capitalism). We had a taste of it under Trump where US became energy independent. If truth be known and the US could develop all their Oil (not fossil fuel) resources to the greatest extent this would end up unleashing the greatest economic boom the world has ever seen with gasoline available at the pumps of say $ .25/gallon!
But...oil is a fossil fuel, Fifster!
King of Kings and Lord of Lords comes down from heaven and out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. That's my guess. They are trying to take down as many of us as they can before then.
Thank you for providing a link. I wouldn't have believed it otherwise.
I have not seen the ads so I will wait to see them to render an opinion. I will say that my brother was gay and grew up in a Evangelical church. When he was older he tried the churches that sprang up to "support" gays, but knew that their doctrine on other things was way off base. He knew that we, his family, loved him more than life itself, but considered what the Bible said was true, it is a sin (just as many other things are sin, like lying). The old saying, "Love the sinner, not the sin," is true. I will also say that a large swath of gays have some sort of substance abuse issue, as my brother did. It is important to love them and support them as they fight the alcoholism or drug addition. If the ads say that they love them and want to help them, I am okay with that. If it somehow condones the sin, then I have a problem with it.
The one I've seen shows someone laying in bed alone and says over the screen Jesus was lonely too. He gets us. It was very weird. And if He was in constant fellowship with God other than the brief time on the cross, it feels misleading.
Otherwise, I agree with you on the love the sinner hate the sin.
Does anyone ever think how to 'love the sinner'? And still be Christian and Scripturally compliant?
Very wise words.
Chick Filet, Hobby Lobby…..seems we worship mammon now. Let the corporations bow to Baal, we must continue to walk with Christ no matter what the culture descends to. If we persevere we will overcome by our faith and the blood of the Lamb. He has promised!
Oh wow. That’s really disappointing. Wow. Another one bites the dust 😞
Hobby Lobby! REALLY? Shocked and disgusted. But then 99% of everything in their store is from CHINA!🤬
What!? That's disgusting. Hobby lobby talks the big talk but they definitely don't walk the big walk.
Say what? First Chick Fil-A now the Lobby? Heart sinking lower.
What did Chick-fil-A do?
https://www.frc.org/updatearticle/20191119/liberal-mob
What??? I thought they were a Christian company!
Maybe they will right the ship.
Just a Christian veneer apparently.
hobby lobby is terrible. haven't been there in ages, since I heard what awful people that run it.
I can’t find anything on that. I did see they’re having 2 ads about Jesus though.
Nooooo!
Thought hobby lobby owner sold the company?
Wow that's effin crazy. I thought Hobby Lobby was conservative.
WOW! Hobby Lobby? That is sad.
Whaat? Hobby Lobby? No way!😉🙄
Yeah, besides a few insular communities like the Pennsylvania Dutch, covidianism was rampant throughout most religious and secular communities. Of the few remaining friends and several new friends I have (both religious and non-religious) I have found commonalities to be natural skepticism and a comfort level calling B.S. regardless of the level of "authority" a pronouncement comes from.
Yes I was surprised to see that mention of the Mormons also. I had the impression that most in the LDS got vaxxed to the max. Can anyone here tell me differently?
Yes they were instructed by their prophet early on to take the vax. I know many who were skeptical but once they were told by church leaders to get it they blindly followed. I’ve told a few whom I’m close to that perhaps he’s a false prophet. Very difficult uncomfortable conversations.
I just finished a wonderful book written by a former Mormon, Lynn Wilder. She and her husband were in the Mormon church for 30 years! Their son became a Christian while on his Mormon mission and later, the entire family became Christ followers. I find it hard to believe that the average Mormon knows exactly how crazy the beliefs of the church are. The book is Unveiling Grace. Her son, Micah, has also written a book called Passport to Heaven.
Always happy to have an honest conversation about it. I respect everyone’s personal experiences, but in a trial, you don’t just listen to one side, do you? Information is always biased and colored by personal conviction and experience, so I would not take an “ex” member as a firm authority. Just saying. 🤷🏻♀️
I agree that experience is not always reputable, but she cites passages from Mormon books and tells about such things as baptisms for the dead, which I don't think any Mormon would disavow. She cited this passage from Doctrines and Covenants 132, "Abraham received concubines and they bore him children and it was accounted unto to him for righteousness." The Bible states something very, very different in several places. Here's Romans 4:3 "For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness." Let's not argue, however, each person can make up his or her mind. Thank you for your comment.
Might want to slow your roll, lots of “crazy” beliefs have been becoming obvious and common lately. On the other hand, you are likely correct, the “average” anything is pretty uninformed and clueless.
This is SO encouraging. The next gime a mornon comes to our house I’m going to evangelize him!
Like the false pope francis
My mom and one brother are still Mormon, the rest of took our parole years ago and ran. Fortunately neither of them had the shots but neither are listening to anyone talk about the evils of this being pushed by their church. They are more than happy to engage in conversations of the evils of OTHER PEOPLE pushing the shots. Interesting level of cognitivie dissonance.
The bible warns us to be aware of false prophets. We are clearly in the end times. Not use how long we will be here, but we are here. You must know your bible. BIBLE is Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth! When the vax was first introduced something in my gut said "NO". This was before I even read the Pfizer data dump on all the adverse reactions or even saw friends having adverse side effects. Something inside me knew it wasn't good. I call that wisdom and discernment. When you truly know God and follow his word, he gives you wisdom and discernment. Know the "truth" and it shall set you "free"!
Amen sister!!!
Happy to. Civic responsibility is something we take seriously, so a lot of people were willing to suspend disbelief in that vein. But from the heartland of Salt Lake, I will tell you that not as many got vaccinated as you would think, it caused a lot of frustration, and like anyone, this is a difficult and nuanced concept to grapple with. I love President Nelson and know that everyone is tested in complicated ways - and we have to learn hard lessons. I also know that we are dark territory these days, and Satan would love nothing more than for us to abandon our faith and turn on each other. We have bigger issues to face.
Not a mormon, so I've only read and listened quite a bit about the religion. My impressions as an outsider:
The faith is inherently heirarchal and based on prophetical authority and preisthood authority. Joseph Smith and all subsequent presidents are considered prophets of God and as such their pronouncements have the weight and authority of coming directly from God. It would be unfaithful to disobey or disregard what he says.
Was President Nelson's admonition in the form of "I think you should get the shot but follow your conscience and doctor" or was it "Everyone needs to do this"? If the latter, I don't understand how anyone could not get it and still consider himself or herself in good standing.
There was no admonition. There was no delivered-from-the-pulpit request. It was a PR release that the First Presidency signed their names to that recommended to do the things (including “thoughtful direction from government leaders” - which pulled the rug out from the recommendation right there) like masking and getting vaccinated, but work with your doctor. Many overreacted and were angry at the church for stepping into the fray, and maybe they felt like they had to say something in a watered down way. I wasn’t there. I was upset, as well. But there was never an order to do it, nor was there even much talk about it from leadership in general - beyond the PR statement.
Now to be fair, I have a lot of angst about the way the church handled it. I have learned the hard way to be wary of pharma and doctors and government intrusion. Now the church has to learn the hard way, too. I can’t be shaken, though. But Satan sure tried these last couple of years. And for many, he was quite successful and dislodging people from their anchors. It’s incredibly sad.
Ok, I guess the LDS church is only as culpable for pushing the poison as the lengths they went to push it. If they didn't push it real hard, then their sins are less. They were hardly alone among religious organizations in being confused and misled about these things.
BUT, if President Nelson is a cardiologist, that's pretty damning. I hold medicine as a whole highly culpable for not standing up against this nonsense, and any individual doctors, especially those whose specialties cover aspects of the jabs, hold eternal shame and responsibility for anyone they influenced to get a shot that went on to harm or kill him. They absolutely should have known better. And if there is a cardiologist who also happens to be a prophet of God, then it seems to me there are 3 alternatives:
-he's a terrible, terrible doctor (odd God would choose such a doctor)
-he's a false prophet
-he's a real prophet and WE'RE all wrong about the vaccines, and covid generally.
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Yet, if you live in Utah you probably have seen Mormon leadership doing ads and issuing of public statements (which Mormons read) saying "just get the shot! It's safe and effective.". That includes their president who I think was a heart surgeon so that holds extra sway. There is an implicit, if not explicit, "rule" that you get jabbed. The outlier, IMO was BYU that did not require jabs to attend. The mormon church was also mask crazy. BUT regular mormons stopped that nonsense pretty quickly in the stores and schools.
Of course I'm not a mormon so I have no real idea what goes on in the belly of the beast.
Thank you.
Another point is the church used the word inoculate rather than simply vaccinate. Thus it was also recognizing natural immunity. Lots did get vaxxed for work/education/convenience reasons, sadly. But there were a not insignificant faction that refused.
Most were simply unthinkingly compliant. But took the masks off as soon as they could.
Note he said Traditionalist Catholics and I can tell you from personal experience with several traditionalist parishes - my husband and I attend two and our family attends others - very few of them are vaxed and even during the height of the idiocy here in California very few wore masks and most of us never did. In addition, the priests kept celebrating mass in parking lots, fields, wherever they could for the faithful who came in very large numbers to stand side by side with their fellow believers. The greater Catholic Church is a sell out, as all things run by men tend to become over time, but the traditionalists, despite the war against them, are holding strong and growing. God always has a plan that is bigger than any of us. Our trust is in Him. Praise be Jesus Christ, now and forever.
When our church opened again in Virginia, we began going to the Latin Mass because hardly anyone wore a mask.
I am glad you were able to experience the Mass of the Ages, yet do wish it had been under better circumstances! That being said, it was our experience also, as those coming or going to the Novus Ordo after/before the Latin Rite all had masks with signs on all the doors (sadly the only time I was ever harassed for not wearing a mask was in the Catholic church). But the Latin mass attendees by and large went mask less and vaccine less. Fortunately we had been attending the Latin mass for about a decade so it was our community and it truly was like a life preserver during the darkest of times as being unvaxxed and unwilling to wear a mask, my husband and I lost a lot of our greater "community" to our "selfish uncaring ways".
I've been going to Latin Mass off and on for over 30 years. My parents discovered many years ago that there was a weekly Latin Mass in Baton Rouge, LA at St. Agnes Church. They began going on a regular basis. I was very glad when my own church began a weekly Sunday Latin Mass some years ago.
I am so happy for you. What a joy to have been able to take part in the beautiful mass for so long!! I pray that your Bishop keeps the Latin Mass for the sake of your souls and his.
I pray your Latin Mass is not removed, I read about problems in the Arlington diocese.
Thank you so much. Ever since Traditionis Custodis, my prayers have been for the preservation of our Latin masses as I have yet to find a Novus Ordo near us that does not border on the heretical (at least materially speaking). And truly I believe the Latin mass is our Catholic heritage and as a mother and now grandmother, I would be absolutely bereft if I did not do all I could (which at this point is mostly pray) to make sure it survives the current modernists who have taken over much of the church hierarchy. I believe St. Athanasius should be all Latin rite mass believers patron at this moment as he faced down the Arian heresy quite alone among the leaders of his time. Not budging one iota!! May he give us all the strength to stave off all the current heresies bent on corrupting Holy Mother Church.
I love your comment. My parish just held a mission about devotion to the Holy Face (as seen on St. Veronica's veil) It is a confraternity we can join. The priest was from the Benedictines in Gower Mo., St. Martin of Tours is one of the patrons of this confraternity. It is to pray for an end to communism and the conversion of sinners.
I thought it was no longer allowed, but, in reality it's not allowed to be advertised. So, we still have our weekly Latin Mass but it is not listed in the bulletin. It's pretty ridiculous that it has to be that way, but it seems even the Church is infected with "you are not allowed to know", just like other organizations.
Yes, traditionis custodes was anything but an upholding of tradition and was actually quite a bizarre document. You cannot advertise a mass in your bulletin, nor can you celebrate a mass in your church if it is the ancient rite?? Yet, are those not the reasons for the bulletin and the church? If it was not so evil, it could have been read as a satire that would have given the Babylon Bee a run for their money.
Yes - you are not allowed to know for your own good... Last I checked, God gave us free will, if He did this, who are governments or other organizations to take that away. Give me the information and let me discern for myself.
Exactly right. The Traditional Catholics never succumbed to the Covid tyranny.
The false Novus Ordo Church, on the contrary, dropped to the floor to lick their government and homo priests shoes immediately.
Yes! My Traditional Latin Mass parish did not require masks and actually told us not to get the abortion-tainted shot. It seems as if there are two Churches now.
Bingo! That's because there ARE two Churches. One remnant that still preaches the same 2,000 year old Catholic faith, and the other modernist infiltrated one that is a chastisement from God.
As just one more piece of evidence, why do you think Paul VI rewrote all seven sacraments?
Although I obviously cannot prove it, I firmly believe this is the withheld explanatory segment of the 3rd Secret of Fatima, which Our Lady directed to be revealed in 1960, because (according to Sr. Lucia) it would be more clear then.
That's why the antipope Communist John XXIII suppressed it.
Remember the Four Marks of the Church beginning with that it must be ONE in faith and doctrine. How's that working out?
This is all so troubling. So many people only have the NO available to them. They are missing so much.
So true and I add them all to my prayers as I believe every Catholic should be given the opportunity to see the truth of our faith in all its glory as shown in a unique and sacred way through the High Mass of the Tridentine rite. Christe, exaudi nos. Our Lady of Lourdes, ora pro nobis.
Agreed. The two roads emerged most prominently in 1517 and it appears many in the "Catholic" church chose the road trod by a man, rather than the one trod by Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Did he not himself warn that the world would hate those who followed him - why do so many in the church today seek outward adulation?
Paul VI, the unhappy pope and legacy to the worst destruction the church has ever seen (Did any of the Medici popes even come close???), is definitely an enigma whose absolute rupture with Sacred Tradition should have been burned in a cleansing fire rather than been able to see the light of day and become "standard practice". Clearly the church needed more like Ottaviani and LeFebrve, who recognized no pope was to change Christ's church, but rather were only to preserve what had been handed down to her through the centuries. Yet Her battles have always been fought with the few rather than the many. In addition, Our Lord promised the gates of hell would not prevail and He would be with us always, even to the end of time. No matter how humans corrupt the church, the remnant you speak of and that we are experiencing today will always be in existence. Praise be Jesus Christ, now and forever!!
I too think you are correct in your assumption about the secret of Fatima. Our Lady has been trying to warn us on so many fronts and yet so many continue to ignore her. Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.
Several Latin mass parishes we are aware of did the same. Thanks be to God. Our Latin masses are in diocesan parishes that bought much of the narrative. Fortunately our bishop did not advocate for the shots but he also didn’t preach against them. Most of our fellow mass attendees did not wear masks or get the shots.
Yes, it does appear there are two different factions at work. I suppose this time we are experiencing now and the current Pope have required many fence sitters to reconsider. Which is never a bad thing!!
In my church there was a distinct division according to age. Almost every single young person, young parents refused the vax. This was most of the church.Masks became contentious sadly and the compromise was that there was one service per month where masks were required but were optional for the rest of the month. So nobody was really happy. One largish group boycotted the mask-only Sunday and had worship among themselves. Even now, there are vehementl elderly who completely support the injections and masks but we all just try not to talk about it. Very sad.
Great to hear about your experience. Beautiful comment.
Good point. And great to hear about your experience!
Agree! I'm Catholic and was appalled at how the Pope and many prominent clergy were encouraging, often forcefully, people to get vaccinated. EVEN after Dr. Malone visited the Vatican in September 2021 and shared with Cdl. Peter Turkson how the decision to vaccinate the entire population was based on flawed data, bad science and how individual rights were being compromised. The Vatican continued to require vaccination...
I was so angry when I saw Franklin Graham encourage Christians to get vaxxed. I replied to his comment with some truth and have not followed him since.
That surprised me too. I don’t follow him anymore or give to Samaritans purse either. I have found other organizations to support.
As many churches and Christians shift according to cultural beliefs the Bible is the inerrant, inspired, authoritative Word of God. Its testimony to Christ should move us to repent and believe the Gospel. Without the Word we can’t grow as Christians and should never ignore it, apologize for it or minimize it. There are still some denominations that have held fast to the authority of God’s Word; the evangelical reformed Presbyterian Church of America, the Southern Baptist Convention, the Calvary Chapel Association of Churches to name a few. Many of the mainstream churches have fallen to woke-ism and the culture, including the UMC(United Methodist Church), ELCA(Evangelical Lutheran Church in America), and many Catholic Churches. God does call us to worship with other believers but if you can’t find a church where you live at least watch a solid televised service every week so you’re continuing to hear the truth of God’s Word. It can be challenging. When we moved to Kansas City we attended 5-6 churches before we found a theologically sound church rooted in God’s Word. We need to be really firm in the Truth to stand up against the cultural lies.
As far as I know, no churches in my denomination, the Reformed Church United States, ever had a vax requirement or supported the government narrative. I live in Nebraska, and, other than healthcare employees, no one was required to be vaccinated here. The battleground was masks.
The vast majority of my local church members never wore masks nor was a mask sign ever posted on our door, despite the local mandate. My pastor led a Bible study focusing on the rights of the conscience called "Lessons from 2020." He also wrote a religious exemption to mask wearing for one family to submit to the public school. (Amazingly, the school honored it!) One of our e