Citizenry ID and tax harvesting was always the aim...why not just turn our Federally mandated Real ID into our tracking data, maybe implant a chip or two or some nanoparticles, oh wait it should be a Global Real ID, that's the only way to make it effective
Citizenry ID and tax harvesting was always the aim...why not just turn our Federally mandated Real ID into our tracking data, maybe implant a chip or two or some nanoparticles, oh wait it should be a Global Real ID, that's the only way to make it effective
I don't have a Real ID. In MO it is optional. At some point I may not be able to get on a plane or other restricted areas but oh well. Refused to comply.
My facts may not be 100% but Real ID is something that came from the feds in 2005 under the auspices of 'identity protection' - DL data typically stored within states and when people move they may get a DL in their new state but also still listed in their old state, etc. Idea that a Real ID proves you are who your DL says you are and is more secure than just a regular DL. MO refused to participate for years - we had some warrior legislatrors, including my state senator at the time, Will Kraus, who fought a bill bringing MO into compliance every year saying it was fed over-reach. But a few years ago the legislature caved but made it optional. So you can get a 'regular' DL that is just in the state database, or a Real ID that puts you in the national database. The 'deadline' for Real ID to be required to get on a plane, or visit certain federal facilities has been pushed out over and over, mainly due to states having problems with updating systems and such for compliance. I think right now it's sometime in 2025 where it will be 'required'. But you can use a passport in lieu of a Real ID card, so I will just renew my passport if I need to.
If you want to fly you have to pay for the upgraded drivers license. Or you can use your passport along with your old license. Some states are putting a ‘do this by’ date. In Oregon it’s later this year I think.
yep. refuse to comply. choose freedom over 'convenience' people who say they had to do something are not willing to stand up for themselves - and take the consequences.
We are in PA. I have avoided realID, but now I am trying to remember why. I guess it is finally coming to pass here in PA, and my family is asking advice on whether to opt out. It actually cost you $ to opt out! We already travel with our passports, but that may not be so easy for everyone.
Citizenry ID and tax harvesting was always the aim...why not just turn our Federally mandated Real ID into our tracking data, maybe implant a chip or two or some nanoparticles, oh wait it should be a Global Real ID, that's the only way to make it effective
I don't have a Real ID. In MO it is optional. At some point I may not be able to get on a plane or other restricted areas but oh well. Refused to comply.
What do you mean by realID? I live in MO and may have missed that.
My facts may not be 100% but Real ID is something that came from the feds in 2005 under the auspices of 'identity protection' - DL data typically stored within states and when people move they may get a DL in their new state but also still listed in their old state, etc. Idea that a Real ID proves you are who your DL says you are and is more secure than just a regular DL. MO refused to participate for years - we had some warrior legislatrors, including my state senator at the time, Will Kraus, who fought a bill bringing MO into compliance every year saying it was fed over-reach. But a few years ago the legislature caved but made it optional. So you can get a 'regular' DL that is just in the state database, or a Real ID that puts you in the national database. The 'deadline' for Real ID to be required to get on a plane, or visit certain federal facilities has been pushed out over and over, mainly due to states having problems with updating systems and such for compliance. I think right now it's sometime in 2025 where it will be 'required'. But you can use a passport in lieu of a Real ID card, so I will just renew my passport if I need to.
Oklahoma - last I checked anyway - keeps pushing the Real ID out too.
The day they finally impose it is the day I'll start driving unlicensed.
Become ungovernable.
yep. at whatever cost. because the cost of not doing it is forever
Dang!! Somehow I think we went along with that…not sure how we were tricked into thinking it was a good thing or required. 😡
If you want to fly you have to pay for the upgraded drivers license. Or you can use your passport along with your old license. Some states are putting a ‘do this by’ date. In Oregon it’s later this year I think.
But if you’re here illegally you’re good to fly no questions asked.
The illegals are getting on the planes with no ID and they have their own special TSA line.
then dont fly. all people do what is most important to them - no matter what they say.
Yes that’s what I recall
Me too, (SC) don't have one, don't plan on flying. Driver's licenses still in date are legal for cars, trains, etc. Mine's good for 10 more yrs.
yep. refuse to comply. choose freedom over 'convenience' people who say they had to do something are not willing to stand up for themselves - and take the consequences.
I don't have a real ID either here in PA.
Figure I will just use my passport if I need to get into the federal bldg.
We are in PA. I have avoided realID, but now I am trying to remember why. I guess it is finally coming to pass here in PA, and my family is asking advice on whether to opt out. It actually cost you $ to opt out! We already travel with our passports, but that may not be so easy for everyone.
I opted out of a smart meter and get to pay the elec co $20/mo extra.
Nancy, good health choice.
good grief, I hate these people!
But we don't need an ID to vote in PA.
And safe.