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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

DeSantis should have waited until 2028 to run for President.

I suspect he was getting some very bad advice from the Bushies and the big money donors to "take out Trump."

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

I’m hoping DeSantis runs in 2028.

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Mrs. Mantle's avatar

The left will push back hard. They don’t want him because they know how dangerous he is to their agenda. That’s why this campaign failed. He’s more dangerous than Trump to them. Just saying

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Quite true. The Dems are scared of the Gov.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Yes, but isn't DeSantis just one "flavor" for the Uniparty? Don't get me wrong; I like him as Governor and I've voted for him. But I'm under no illusions that he is NOT a member of, or at least friendly to, the "Deep State." I mean, the man went to Harvard AND Yale, for crying out loud!

Credit where due: Unlike many pols, he actually worked some “real” jobs in his youth, even teaching school for a time. He came from an authentic working class family background. He served in the miltary. He is, apparently, actually married to a normal female. He's had children.

He’s served three terms as a U.S. Congressman. He is, reportedly, a member of the Bush political machine.

In sum: He is about as Establishment as a politican comes. About the only thing he lacks is the old money family pedigree. This doesn’t mean he’s evil per se. But he needs to be watched carefully; it's likely he's a tool of powerful interests. But that is true of maybe not all, but nearly all, politicians that rise to high office.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

RDS seemed to be in bed with the establishment (Bush, Paul Ryan, Ronna McDaniels, and more) which was a complete turnoff to me. Big money from the Koch brothers. It wasn’t a grassroots campaign like Trumps. I really like him and admired him until he ran for president. I’m not even sure of him as VP because of the side I saw during his campaign.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Balanced comment.

The reality of our political system is that EVERYONE is compromised by the establishment UNLESS the candidate is running completely on his own money. First of all, this rules out ALL professional politicians. The only ones that have their own money and are thus independent are Trump and Vivek. Simple as that!

The establishment murdered every candidate that has run with an independent power base and/or was financially independent: JFK, MLKing, RFK and probably JFK Jr. I'd even throw Wallace in there although the attempt failed to kill him.

Of course, I'm just speculating but I think DeSantis' candidacy was very calculated. His candidacy gives him national exposure and now by dropping out early, Trump may select him as VP. The thing I worry about most is that they may attempt to assassinate Trump. Depending on when this occurs, Trump's death could automatically give the presidency to Biden OR we are left with only Haley or Biden to chose from, the only difference being their gender (which of course would be disavowed - lol).

If DeSantis becomes the VP, he would be well positioned for the 2028 POTUS election. I can't think of a better set-up.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I'm in your corner on DeSantis, S.D.! He's much better than any ludicrous candidate the 'lefties" could concoct--but he's no "freedom fighter". He's an accomplished politician with a lawyer's mindset (as our a majority of our POTUS candidates for the past 80 years - even "Honest Abe" was a lawyer).

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Annie's avatar

Red state governors should unite to check the blob and swamp which is the federal government.

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WP William's avatar

He alone had the prescription for, and the fortitude to push back against a hostile bellicose media and the Dark forces of the Left in Florida, he eventually stood his ground and built his team, resolved and strong in areas where Trump, Abbott, and other Republicans floundered and lapsed during the Shamdemic. Let's Face IT, any and ALL Trump cabinet, appointees, picks, and hires WILL be targeted and attacked and solicited by the DeepState to turn on him or be crushed. The template is forged and this will only get far worse until Nov. and then MUCH worse after no matter the result. It is going to be all-out subversion and LAWFARE x 1,000,000 from what we've seen 2015-2023.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

DeSantis had/has a strong conservative legislature to work with and should have accomplished much more. But he did get them to change the law so that he could run for president and continue to draw the Governor’s salary as well as hide information on the particulars of his campaign, like the finances. He carried over a large sum of donations from his ‘landslide’ victory over the extremely unpopular Charlie Crist. There have been questions about if those funds were illegally transferred into his presidential campaign.

Florida has been neglected and has a home insurance crisis with no end in sight. I hope he’s back with his sleeves rolled up for Florida.

Did he really say in that exit speech that he had more thrown at him than any other candidate? What???

When Mar-a-lago was raided and DeSantis was no where to be seen for five days; when his statement after finally emerging from his bunker didn’t even mention Trump, but was just some mealy mouth about the overreach of the FBI, that was a final confirmation of the Big Plan for me.

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WP William's avatar

I'll never forget Tim Scott saying that we'd have to wait and see if the FBI raid on Mar-A-Lago was politically motivated or not...it was too early for him to comment or speculate. He should get raided next.

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WP William's avatar

His sparkly stare, his smile/grimace, and his vocal recitation of his "concession" made me turn away honestly. Where was the bold take-no prisoners swagger and voice? Maybe if/when you're purchased and controlled you lose your fire and confidence and drive?

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VICKI's avatar

Right, he should have been all over the raid and against it!!!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Your critical thinking skills are commendable, W.S.!!

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Beckadee's avatar

What about that wife of his? Got that Stepford thing going on.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Shaking in their boots 😂🤣😂

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CStone's avatar

At this point in time, I don’t believe he is as dangerous to the RATS as Trump, but he got a good enough taste of it when running and if he runs in 2028, hr may very well be formidable.

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Stephen McNeal's avatar

De Santa’s is great for us in Florida, but make no mistake, Trump will again become the greatest president again.

De Santa’s will if he is not of the Bush elk, make a. Great successor to Trump.

All depending on whether the Democrats can again steal the election.

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

Until Trump repudiates his “beautiful” vaccine, he’s an egotistical charlatan in my eyes with no political instincts. He wasn’t the “greatest” President his first term and won’t be in his second. Better than Bidumb? Of course, but that’s a pretty low bar to hurdle.

But, the Communists are going to commit election fraud all over again. It’s the only way they can ever win.

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Beth Bart's avatar

That’s why I think TJT will pick him as VP, it makes sense

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Fred's avatar

Cabinet post more likely, but I love him as Gov! Starting local is the only way to make conservative inroads.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

That WOULD make sense, in a way that a reputed "Deep State" media outlet offers "speculation" that a black Republican who just announced his engagement to a white woman, would not. 🤣

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12990359/She-said-yes-Senator-Tim-Scott-gets-engaged-interior-designer-girlfriend-Mindy-Noce-proposing-South-Carolinas-Kiawah-Island-amid-speculation-Trumps-VP.html

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CStone's avatar

He said he isn’t interested in being VP.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Who would be--LOL!

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Natalie's avatar

In what way is he more dangerous than Trump?

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SteelJ's avatar

He actually confronts the deep state head on, and wins. Trump is easily rolled by swamp creatures like Fauci, Birx, and Bill Barr. We'll never get accounting for the COVID response from Trump, he was, and is, an integral part of it and STILL a believer in all of it, except mandates (he says anyway). He has way more courage than Trump, most Republican voters are as easily manipulated as leftists and eat up Trump's persona, which always reminds me of a pro wrestler.

That said, I like Trump, and will of course vote for him. But he's nowhere near the level of DeSantis or Noem.

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CMCM's avatar

I also think Trump got rolled by various swamp dwellers due to his political outsider status in 2016. I hope he has learned from that experience and that he now has his radar on full blast.

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Just Comment's avatar

Germen and Japanese have that special genes: obeying, trusting, determined to do a good job, full force forward, ....

That is why they had been set-up and used to fight WW2.

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SteelJ's avatar

Seems to me members of every tribe, citizens of all nations, are quick to rally round their tyrant of the day any time they're subjected to effective fear-mongering. Any atrocity is deserved by the target of the manufactured malice. It's not unreasonable to think some nationalities are a little worse though, you could be right.

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YYR's avatar

LOL. The Uniparty got Top Guv into this mess as the Never Trump "acceptable" republican alternative and pulled the big money when he had blown it.

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CeCe Brown's avatar

I'm hoping we LOVE Trump's VP, who becomes POTUS, Desantis does 8 years VP, then 8 years POTUS. They say putting things out there in the universe is powerful......Im putting it out there! THAT Dream Team would make America GREAT again!!!!

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SteelJ's avatar

I'm hoping for the same. But you're forgetting about some changes that are beyond any politician's reach. The leftists have control of every institution - academia, media, corporate leadership, NGOs, deep state, you name it. They have all the money. How, exactly, can Trump, DeSantis, or anybody else claw back the wealth of the world from the likes of Soros, Gates, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Zuck, and Pharma? They have all the money, which is all the power, in the end. There is NO MECHANISM to take their wealth, so they will continue to rule. Musk stands alone among the wealthy as not overtly pro-globalist and anti-human. And it's foolish to trust him. He got his wealth from government manipulations, and look who he appointed to monitor Twitter/X dialogue - he couldn't have chosen worse. I'm hoping for Trump and/or DeSantis, but they'll just be a bump in the road to our enemies. I hope I'm wrong. But again, how do you see them losing their wealth, which is their power over virtually everything?

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S.P.H.'s avatar

The people factor. Millions of us. We are supposed to be the determining factor in all government decisions. Not a democracy but a republic. If we can keep it.

The people lost sight of our responsibility long ago, and dictators grasped the moment.

If 300 average citizens showed up at every school board meeting, every council meeting, and elected and stood behind Constitutional Sheriffs our decline would have been much more graceful or maybe even nonextant.

If Gideon could defeat thousands of trained soldiers with 300 hundred farmers and herdsmen, with God's help we can defeat a tyrannical government.

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SteelJ's avatar

If your wishes came true that would be wonderful. But you say "IF 300 average citizens...". "with God's help we CAN defeat a tyrannical government". Do you really think any of this is in the cards? I don't have the answers. I avoid wishful thinking though. I've reluctantly concluded there are no answers. The only rational conclusion is that we are toast. Of course we should fight back, and hard. But human beings are flawed in such ways that successful societies have always declined into oblivion. I wish it weren't so. Wishing doesn't change anything. Not happy thoughts, I know.

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Leo's avatar

SteelJ, Perception creates reality, according to Quantum physicists. And reality is not simply linear, it is a complex Quantum Field. So perhaps reconsidering and deepening our habitual perception can actually contribute to reality. Positive thoughts such as wishing may function to keep minds open to complexity and thus surprising outcomes.

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Kathryn Dewalt's avatar

If he's Trump's VP, it will be 4 years... then if folks see the strength of Ron De Santis, he can do 8 years as POTUS.

JUST NO HALEY!!! We have been RINO'd enough!

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Niko Crz's avatar

It would be a mistake to have DeSantis as VP in case the election is close, given article 12. Regardless, it would be political suicide to tie his hitch to Trump given how Trump has treated nearly anyone who has served in his administration and the fact that DeSantis is a rising star.

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Concerned mom's avatar

I'm LIKING Kari Lake as Trump's VP!!! She doesn't seem compromised as De Santis is with GW Bush/K Rove/ influence or their $$$

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Bones's avatar

Totally agree since it’s obvious, Trump would not have him as VP right now which is too bad

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Michael Framson's avatar

I'm hoping there still is a country to run in 2028.

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Dawn B's avatar

Desantis was good over the pandemic but I feel all elected politicians are compromised.

RON DESANTIS - HIS SECRET SOCIETY AFFILIATIONS ARE COMING OUT... ☠️ 3 min

https://www.bitchute.com/video/OGrQeYtz1VUh/

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uselesseater's avatar

I was interested until he did a 180 overnight on Ukraine and his pro war statements on Gaza are a further turn-off

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Aloha50's avatar

QTARD

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Bones's avatar

He’d make a great VP to trump if egos were not a factor

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CaplT's avatar

Two roosters would not do.

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Dave aka Geezermann's avatar

I admired DeSantis as Governor of FL. When he "ran" for president I lost all that respect for him. Obviously, a wrong decision. I can't help but think he caved to big donor money and promises that "they" would make sure Trump was not on the ballot.

He should have stayed in FL and taken care of his business and Florida business. I will never trust him again.

I am actually surprised he has endorsed Trump. He should. He should have endorsed Trump from the start. He denied that the election was stolen, which is a sure sign he is compromised. Telling the truth about the rigged and stolen election is a PRIORITY.

If he helps Trump all the way to the White House, good.

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Vicki's avatar

I'm with you. Red flags on DeSantis....

1. he had our state legislators change our law so he could run for president without giving up his position as governnor. Rules for thee, not for me.

2. He changed his position on Ukraine funding AFTER he announced his presidential run. Owned by donors?

3. He refused to have our elections investigated for fraud from 2020. If there's nothing to hide, why not be the example?

4. He established a child trafficking Authority and never staffed it. What the hey?

5. He personally asked a state legislator to sponsor changes to a medical freedom bill in Florida that actually REMOVED our autonomous rights.

These and many more questionable decisions are not only part of public records but point, in my book, to where his true loyalties lie to the American people.

Nope, he's off my radar permanently. I'm not looking for a Savior. I've already got one in Christ Jesus. I'm just looking for someone who's actually kept their promises, which Trump has....and for someone who actually has the ability to destroy the Deep State before they completely destroy our country. DeSantis doesn't come close.

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CHop's avatar

Completely agree. I was all for DeSantis as he seemed to align with Trump without the middle-school talk. Adding to your list:

6. He took a strange trip to Israel, returned and then hired Jeb Bush and Karl Rove to run his campaign.(people are now aware the Bush family is evil)

7. Ignored John Beaudoin, Sr. offer to review death certificates and connect them to VAERs....For FREE. He just wanted office space to do the work.

8. He passed laws that strengthened the Prep Act (may be the same one in #5) to where it is near impossible to sue for bad hospital protocol.

9. He is ignoring pulling the shots off the market while several counties in Florida have looked at the information to where they banned the jab.

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RU's avatar

I keep reminding people of a couple things:

1) the Establishment is called the Uniparty for a reason. It is not DNC only. It is fully aided, abetted, and sponsored by the GOP as well. The vast majority of (R)s are not conservative in any way. They are big gov't / big business oligarchs, just like the (D)s. They sign off on the forever wars (incl. covid response) as well. They steal our money for their own gain as well. Uniparty.

2) HW Bush was literally the head of the CIA. He ran the CIA. There is no more "compromised" person on planet Earth. The CIA is the Establishment/deep state/etc. The Bushes ARE the Establishment/deep state. Anyone associated with them is as well. Everyone knows (or should know) darn well the CIA isn't going to do business with people who aren't compromised. Since they're running his campaign, it makes it pretty easy to draw the only logical conclusion about DeSantis. The Israel trip was the dead giveaway for me. Kind of sad so few are willing to see what is so blindingly obvious.

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OJen's avatar

Wow, thanks for this info. I had no idea about most of these things!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Would be good if Jeff Childers would deep dive on some of that.

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axons007's avatar

#7: Ignored John Beaudoin, Sr. offer to review death certificates and connect them to VAERs....For FREE. He just wanted office space to do the work.

GOOD POINT! NO RATIONAL EXPLANATION FOR THAT ! AND UNFORGIVABLE!

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Vicki's avatar

Great additions! I'd forgotten about these!!!! He truly is a skunk!

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Aloha50's avatar

QTARD. Trump is to the left of Desantis on every issue. He is the establishment now, clearly. Going senile, fully jabbed, 91 Federal indictments, Melania has all but left him. He will lose in November but will always have your support. CULT

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Hunter's Lap Dance's avatar

Trump didn't drain the swamp. At all. He hired a lot of the wrong people. You could argue he didn't understand the depths of DCs depravity.

Let's hope he does better second time around if given that chance.

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RU's avatar

Basically, that is my hope. Yes, I'm voting based on hope. I don't know that Trump will be able to do any damage to the corruption in a second term, but I do know that none of the other candidates on either ticket (or 3rd party) will even try. The rest of them are actually part of the swamp milieu and just want to claim their cut of the pie. Trump is the closest I can see to someone who might - might - try to take out the corruption. He seems to be the only one who's an "outsider" to the swamp class. At the end of the day, he's antiwar and their multi-generational grift is based entirely on fighting avoidable forever wars.

On top of that, I think we all know at this point the Dems stole the 2020 election using covid as the cover for a mass mail-in balloting scheme. It seems absolutely critical to the country to right that wrong and expose that crime.

Finally, I actually like that he uses plain language and mocks the elites. Many of our problems have resulted from a professional class ruling elite who use white collar corporate speak to trick people into supporting their cons. It's great to see someone talk like a normal person in the political/elite arena.

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Aloha50's avatar

He'll be almost 80 if elected. He didn't drain the swamp when he was 72 but now pushing 80 he'll get it done. Uh-huh, right. And by all the things he said in the last few years he's apparently more liberal than he was in 2016. 91 federal indictments are hanging over him. He can only serve one term. Having him as the nominee is complete madness.

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RU's avatar

Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but from where I sit, I see no one better. The rest are quite literally tools of the Establishment (by their own resumes, actions, and words) who will do everything in their power to make sure the "swamp" never gets drained. If someone better were available, I'd be rooting for them. But, I'm a practical person who doesn't believe in superheroes who are going to do this all by themselves. It simply takes one or two people to set a new course and provide an example.

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SteelJ's avatar

Yes! How do people miss the fact that TRUMP FAILED his biggest test, and to this day hasn't disavowed anything he did in the name of COVID. All DeSantis has done is show true courage and wisdom and done everything right. I like Trump, he was very good until his epic COVID fail, although as you said he didn't drain the swamp, which ended up being his undoing. He should have been surrounded by advisers like Scott Atlas when COVID hit, not Fauci and Birx. They manipulated him, like a scared puppy. DeSantis never would have been such easy prey.

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Steph D's avatar

I couldn’t agree more with you SteelJ. 🙌

The jabs, (Operation Warp Speed) caused millions of deaths and much disability worldwide. The lockdowns and restrictions hurt children and killed small businesses and our economy.

Let’s talk about unequal treatment... left to the unscrupulous blue state and some red state, governors, ask how Walmart was allowed to stay open but small businesses were told to shut down. Then we had Covid spending and fraud ran rampant.

Trump also allowed mayhem to reign the summer of 2020. He allowed KNOWN villains like Fauci to take the helm and squelch our first Amendment. Of course it’s not Fauci’s fault according to Fauci, and it’s not Trump’s fault according to Trump.

Yes, no leader is perfect. It would be nice to at least have a president that takes responsibility for his own actions whether such decisions benefited us, or those that caused much pain and suffering for the nation.

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BBS's avatar

Was it "true courage and wisdom" when Desantis signed into law the PREP Act, which gives immunity to literally everyone from pharmacy technicians to hospitals--"immunity from liability for any loss caused by, arising out of, relating to or resulting from the administration or countermeasure..." How many people have suffered and are still suffering because of that get-out-of-jail-free card? Does "everything right" include betraying the citizens of FL, as well as Trump, when he personally asked the state legislature to change FL law so he could take a giant side step and run for pres. but at the same time, risk nothing by still being governor? That looks more like a major character flaw than "courage" to me. What kind of "courage" did it take to refuse to look into the 2020 election fraud? Or flip flopping on Ukraine when his donors came through? Even when he knew Americans were, literally, going to pay a huge price for that abomination. Then trying to spin his about face by saying his previous words were "mischaracterized?"

Not buying it. He got a lot done for FL, no doubt about it. But it's obvious he can be bought and we all know how that ends.

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GG's avatar

Add to that none of us knew about the complete capture of the Deep State (and probably still don't even to this day, although we have a more clear picture) and I find it hilarious that people try to hold Trump accountable. Every president who has been in office in my lifetime didn't hold the Deep State accountable; they grew it. Trump didn't stop it so he's a failure? No way.

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SteelJ's avatar

I pay more attention to politics than most, but I'm not what you'd call a "political junky" - more of a "COVID junky". Based on what I'm aware of, DeSantis is a rock star. Thanks for those examples, I'll see what I can find out to verify.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Yes, they manipulated him. I personally think he learned from this. He was not a professional politician.

That being said, the Executive Order that was pushed in front of him to sign which eventually was labeled Operation Warpspeed, was placed in front of him for signature 3 MONTHS before the first covid patient. In other words, before anyone had even heard of Covid. What does that tell you? Trump had no idea what he was signing - ONLY what they told him. And do you think they told him they planned on killing as many people as possible? They had the bio-weapon manufactured years before! There was no operation warpspeed to develop a vaccine! They just needed the POTUS EO ahead of time and a fall guy (Trump) to take the blame. THe rest of the story is history.

We need to bear this in mind when we are talking about what happened. Trump was lied to and manipulated and that is why they fear him so much because if he gets back in office it's going to be on like donky-kong and it's all going to come out.

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SteelJ's avatar

Maybe you're right. Nobody's perfect. IMO anyone as easily manipulated as Trump was by such obvious bad actors is fatally flawed. The whole thing was obvious, not just to me, to millions. He could have listened to people like the Great Barrington Declaration signees, or Scott Atlas, or many others. Who wouldn't know anyone already in the establishment, whether government or pharma, should be listened to with suspicion? Well, Trump, I guess, didn't know.

My most vivid memory of Trump is seeing him live touting hydroxychloroquine as a COVID treatment. My immediate thought was "omigod, I hope he's ready for the no-holds-barred pushback from every power center in the world". Touting a cheap, off-patent drug was guaranteed to evoke vicious, unrelenting attacks. Any moron should know that. Trump was caught flat-footed. He actually thought he could say something like that and the media and fellow politicians would say "hey, sounds great, let's try it!". He outed himself as a clueless fool right there. Unless, maybe it was planned - if Trump touted it, it was guaranteed to be blacklisted. I don't really think that was his motivation, but he screwed it up so badly that idea can't be discounted.

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Aloha50's avatar

Trump also ended the band on gain a function research which Obama had signed. There would be no Covid lab leak had not Trump allowed gain a function research.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

We have the distinct advantage of hindsight, much like the the last seconds of a football game, field goal to tie or touchdown to win? Big decision. In Trumps case he had to trust the team he had on the field, and his offensive coordinator Mike Pence.

Government has ballooned for a nefarious purpose, so no one person can make a drastic change in the direction the ship is on. Trump made changes constantly in his cabinet and advisors, looking for those he could trust and to carry out his orders. But it was a game of wack-a-mole. I believe that is why we saw family members take on a larger role within the inner circle. Trumps entire staff was either fighting the deep state behemoth or was a part of it.

Is Trump the savior of our country? No. We as a nation have turned our back on that savior.

Trump did show his leadership abilities in four hotly contested years, and he has shown true grit in the 3 years since his re-election was stolen in 2020.

I for one will support him in his third run for President. He is still an outsider America First candidate hated by all the deep state. Left and right. Perhaps the toughest natural politician in my lifetime, and the man for such a time as this.

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SteelJ's avatar

I will support him too. But he's not our best option. I think he could have done far better at draining the swamp, look at his appointments. It wasn't just the snakes he inherited. His choice of Pence as VP was hugely disappointing to me and anyone else who believed in what Trump had campaigned on.

We will never get accounting for the COVID crimes and failures under Trump. He's one of the architects, and has never disavowed any of it. Seeing as how COVID is the worst thing that's happened to the world in like, forever, that's more than reason enough to favor politicians like DeSantis, who did NOT fail. Trump attacked DeSantis, Kemp, and Noem for opening their states - God only knows how long he wanted the madness to continue. Noem was smart, and good enough to never shut down.

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Fla Mom's avatar

He rolled back *many* regulations, which are the tool of the Administrative State. Unfortunately, I think that was done by Executive Order, so Biden reversed the reversals as soon as he took the oath he planned to immediately break. Hopefully the pending Supreme Court case will defang the Administrative State.

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MaryAnn's avatar

"The swamp" extends all the way to California. No need to stop at DC.

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Verve's avatar

and I'd like to add 6. to your list;

6: The Bush family was very excited about him, giving their "2 thumbs up". Huge red flag.

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daverkb's avatar

There is 'inside the box' and there is 'outside the box'. All candidates no matter who they are or which party they represent are operating 'inside the box' because this is the only game in town. The present practice of government in the Western World is hopeless riddled with a near absolute corruption in all areas of endeavor. And it might be said that the entire system is of a Satanic character. And thus with the 'inside of the box' context, the choices are between better and worse, and to varying degrees.

Real reform would come from 'out side of the box' with 'out side of the box' people acting upon the present system of containment, and without compromise or accommodation, something not likely to happen with a population walking about with eyes wide open shut. The Apex Elites works tirelessly to make sure that the cattle have no voice of their own.

There may be an observable pivot being orchestrated in the US by a powerful faction, but an such pivot is happening 'within the box'. And it is the 'walls of the box', presumably scripted by the Apex Elite (the Money Power) which ultimately defines context within the present system. Thus, there are always limits being imposed from on high even in the best of circumstance. And all of this explains to the largest extent possible the list of grievances as to any candidates, even ones we somewhat like.

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John Bugni's avatar

I believe there is an outside the box plan, an observable pivot if you know where to look, that will manifest soon. Trust The Plan.

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daverkb's avatar

You may be right. But being 'right' depends upon an a priori placement of things in arrangement. For example, I cannot see anything at all being 'outside the box' in an 'acting upon' sense, an acting upon the 'inside box theater' which is continually being orchestrated from the very, very top as to main thrusts. It would take an entire civilizational collapse or the growth of an outside movement such as the Protestant Reformation or the Rise of the American Christian Republics (which did not last beyond the War Between the States).

In my world, Melei, Maga and Trump may be a pivot. But they are a pivot in side the box to fix Woke, because woke is broke.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Thanks for saying this. --

What is observable in my experience, is not objective. It's my experience alone, thus subjective, and to boot, not something I can clearly articulate. Nothing I can point to. It's like between the lines, intuition, gut, inner vision, but tied to observable "reality". Did I dream it up? I didn't 𝑡𝑟𝑦 to imagine it, it was just... there. A realization. --

All making me sound certifiable even without my tin foil hat. --

"...if you know where to look..." If you have any places or spaces to share on that count, please serve them up!

God wins. It'd be nice to see the trailer, tho. I hear you. Trust The Plan.

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Gabriella's avatar

🙏🙏🙏

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Chiadrum's avatar

And he will promise to poison you, by force if necessary when the next Scamdemic is released. Hooray for our hero. Mark my words. No mandates goes out the window next time.

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Deni's avatar

Warp Speed, anyone?

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Chiadrum's avatar

All hail the buffoon who is super proud of that “life saving” operation.

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Duckduffer's avatar

"Mark my words"....done and done. We'll check back with you on that ridiculous claim.

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Chiadrum's avatar

Next time it will be “really deadly” per Gates. Meaning the endlessly jabbed will drop like flies. And they will need the Drumpster to convince his minions that mandates are needed. For the children you see. You get what you vote for. He did every conceivable thing wrong in round 1. And brags incessantly about it. What will be different next time? He did ZERO to drain the deep state. He ignored the actual experts. And he is unable to learn or adapt. The only way he is allowed to be installed again is for this purpose. “See, even the bad orange man says we need mandates”.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I am a big supporter of Trump since 2015. I listen to almost everything he says. And I just don’t get where you can claim he ‘brags incessantly’ about his actions during Covid.

This is not what he’s talking about now, with this deadly Bidenomics crap, the overrun border, and the threat of WWIII.

You obviously are not listening to Trump. I hope you don’t get an ulcer or something worse from the bile you live with.

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Kathryn Dewalt's avatar

Can't say I agree with everything you've posted... but 95%... YES!

And those of us who know YESHUA HAMASCHIACH... know that GOD is not missing anything. He makes and/or breaks Kings, Presidents and Governors!

(I honestly don't know how unbelievers can face the madness without Him)

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

Sounds like anti-Catholicism.

Trump sucks.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I love Trump.

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RU's avatar

#3 is key. He had the position to do this, he had to know like most us that the 2020 election was stolen, but he routinely denied that reality and didn't lead the charge to expose it. Wouldn't even give credibility to the idea. But, really, it's simple. He's Ivy league, a lawyer, served at Guantanamo. That's his actual, real-world background: an Ivy league lawyer for the deep state. "Neocon" to the core. So, not sure why any conservatives ever had interest in him. But, I guess there is the strain of conservative that wants forever war, no matter how much it costs us.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

How about how he “wrote a book” on the plan to win back America …. before his run for election…. then released it before his official run….. then he states he is running around the time of going on tour for it! 🙄

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Natalie's avatar

Well said, Vicki!

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Tim R's avatar

He never stopped taking care of Florida business.

Americans (both left and right) collectively are simply not interested in competent governance at this time in history (A crisis 4th Turning). They are more interested in revenge against adversaries, forcing behaviors and loyalty, and other partisan, tactical policies. Unfortunately, these goals and aspirations often lead to revolution. Trump has been screwed from every direction for 8 years, but that does not necessarily make him the best choice. Hopefully, he can win and not be undermined again, although I don't think he will have the electoral strength to win (ex. more illegals voting, 12 million more young people on the voter rolls - mostly indoctrinated leftists, more anti-Trump Republicans than last 2 elections).

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Roger Beal's avatar

When the opposition is destroying you and your family, culture and institutions by any and all means available, competent governance is the second quality you should look for. A heavy hammer swung both in media and in the legal system is what we need, first. First plug the hole in the dam, then hire skilled engineers to rebuild it.

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SteelJ's avatar

Heavy hammer? Where was his heavy hammer last time? When COVID hit we had Fauci and Birx, not Atlas or the Great Barington authors guiding us. All thanks to the guy who promised to drain the swamp. Trump never had the skills and courage to face down the swamp creatures, he thought he needed them to navigate what he couldn't handle. DeSantis is the opposite - he's not shy about taking on our enemies head-on and relying on his own, and his well-chosen advisors' intellect. With Trump we'll always have guys like Bill Barr and Christopher Wray. Don't mistake Trump's bluster for strength, he showed exactly how strong he is - not strong enough.

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BBS's avatar

With Desantis we will always have guys like the Bushes and Karl Rove.

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SteelJ's avatar

I've just seen guys like Ladapo. I'm not impressed by attacks on his associations, although I'm not saying we shouldn't keep them in mind - we should. But what he actually does with his power is what matters. So far, he's better than Trump. After Trump's COVID performance, that's not hard.

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Kim Thompson's avatar

Ok you now have reasonable insurance rates? I didn’t know that. Please tell me where you get your insurance from as my rates are not reasonable.

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Tim R's avatar

Insurance is high. Mine is $475 per month on a $1.2mil dwelling through Universal North America and I am sure it is rising, due to many reasons (excessive litigation which DeSantis Just signed a law limiting, hurricanes, ESG policies, etc.).

However according to Bankrate.com Florida is a little above Georgia in rates but below, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas. Florida is the 5th state I have lived in and even with high rates, when taken in totality (considering prop tax, income tax, etc.) Florida is the winner hands down.

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Justa Nobod-eeee's avatar

As Jeff has covered, legislation in FL is mostly a 3 party dance--Gov, Senate Pres, House Speaker.

The FL legislature is *full* of Cuckservative Republican'ts that don't effectively push against the big 3. Plus, the FL GOP-e (for establishment) is very good at shutting down any grassroots challenger (there is no "farm team" system--and we're out of time, anyways).

Finally, inflation (too much money chasing too few goods) is determined at the Federal level...and insurance companies depend on successfully predicting losses while successfully earning a return-greater-than-inflation on premiums collected. When that equilibrium goes out the window because of greed (denying legit claims) or inflation chaos (crappy policy), all bets are off.

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Verve's avatar

and they go up every 6 months. They're using Hurricane Ian as a reason, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's also because the insurance companies are being funneled with a lot of backdoor money under the fraud of Covid relief. How else are they lining their pockets after having to pay out billions of dollars to early death and accidents due to the jabs

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LizardFro's avatar

The insurance problem is extremely complicated. It’s easy to yell about the rates but much harder to fix. He’s aware of the problem.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

We don’t have that problem in Ca….. but our rates ARE rising for similar reasons. Car insurance is expected to take a huge jump up in next 6 mos. Due to the many claims in LA county especially!

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MakalekaAnne's avatar

I totally agree with you. I will not trust DeSantis again. He should have continued his promise to Floridians for taking care of Florida business and maybe run in the next election for President. He has hurt his chances for next time!

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GG's avatar

This is why I have a hard time with DeSantis. I can't imagine ever supporting him for anything in the future. I have family that supported him. They justified it by saying there was "no evidence" that 2020 was stolen. I understand that is the media line, but why would rational, reasonable people deny the evidence their own eyes can see? And that is the thing that really has caused me the greatest consternation about DeSantis and his supporters. They're completely willing to buy an untrue narrative because they dislike the target of the other untrue narrative? Is that the motivation? I don't know, but it says to me that people are willing to compromise on the truth. I just can't.

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LizardFro's avatar

Did he actually deny that the election was stolen? Or did he just not get into the weeds on it? He has no power over other states’ elections. I respected him for staying out of it but making SURE that FL had honest elections above reproach that we could count on.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

He denied it.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I loved him as governor. My 2 biggest issues with him are 1) changing the laws so you can run for President while holding your office but not declaring you are running (when it was obvious and obvious the law was changed for him) and 2) when he looked around the room and waited to see what other candidates were doing when asked if he would support the Trump nomination!!! Probably the only thing I will remember from the nomination debates!

Terrible and both make me question trusting him.

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Emily M's avatar

I agree. He ruined his chances for 2028. I won't vote for him.

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Deb's avatar

I think Gov. DeSantis has been and still is a great Governor. Governor Abbott could learn a few things from DeSantis. But as far as running for president, this one belongs to Trump. He was cheated out of a 2nd term as the facts continue to dribble out. Why all the lawsuits if he lost fair and square? The powers at be are scared to death that Trump will finish the job of rooting out the evil within the government and punishing American citizens who speak out against the tyranny of the current administration/regime. I do not believe that if Trump is elected that the term will be about retaliation but about righting the wrongs imposed by the bozos who are now in charge!! There is so money to be made by corrupt politicians and Trump knows that... he can't be bought!

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RU's avatar

I found it odd he endorsed Trump, especially coming on the heels of all the other pro-Trump messaging that's been coming from the powers-that-be lately (which Jeff detailed in a previous article). Not sure what's going on, but I suspect the deep staters and ruling class are dealing with the reality that they can't keep Trump off the ticket and can't keep people from voting for him (God knows they tried both to the max). So, they are moving to plan B (or C, D, E, or F...who knows): regroup, pretend to accept it, and then encircle him with people who will keep him from being effective. Much as was HW's role with regard to Reagan and much like they did in DJT's 1st term.

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John Bugni's avatar

I think the deep staters and ruling class are having to face the fact that Trump may slip what they thought were secure lawfare bindings and are realizing there is a "Storm" coming that will likely consume them, so they are trying to curry favor to cover their donkeys.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yeah that’s a possibility that has come to my mind too.

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Stariel291's avatar

Or Trump is compromised. The fact that uniparty elite DeSantis endorsed him does not help my distrust of Warp Speed Trump whatsoever.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

It was quite a snarky endorsement if you look closely at it.

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Dawn B's avatar

They compromise them young in college and swear oaths against the good of mankind in these secret societies. It is surely forced on them so maybe they can change but considering the penalty is a long horrible death...

RON DESANTIS - HIS SECRET SOCIETY AFFILIATION 3 min

https://www.bitchute.com/video/OGrQeYtz1VUh/

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AngelaK's avatar

Could it be that those backing him thought that Trump had no chance with all the legal garbage being thrown at him? It is no secret that influential entities such as George Soros and son have said that they will make sure in every possible way that Trump doesnt win the Presidency again.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

But why is it that the voices seem to be changing? Like what Jeff posted about in WEF?

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Willing Spirit's avatar

How many of them hoped that Trump would have no chance against the nastiness?

Why does it not occur to them that if it can be done to Trump it can and will be done to all of us who oppose the evil?

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axons007's avatar

He should have supported Trump like Vivek did. Vivek made him look bad, IMO. He showed he could run for President AND stand up for Trump - that was definitely the right move. DeSantis failed. Great Governor, exceptional really. Terrible Presidential candidate

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Annie's avatar

Bingo! Agree 💯

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Donna in MO's avatar

Yes, I LOVED the fact that DeSantis is an issues nerd, he actually studies the issues himself, not delegating to sketchy underlings who later stab you in the back. But a lot of my conservative friends refused to support him as they said he was 'owned' by his donors which put him in the 'deep state' category.

And that, in a nutshell, is why we don't get 'saviors' from the political class. Elections are hellishly expensive. Money has to come from somewhere. And it comes with strings.

Seeing the same thing here in our county. The Royals want a downtown ballpark. The unions want the jobs. The 4 legislators pushing this have received anywhere from 27-61% of their campaign funds from the unions. And the unions are threatening them saying we supported you, we expect you to support us.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

I kept hearing that, what specifically was the big donor money? Please fill me in.

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LizardFro's avatar

I heard this, too, but my question is, which positions did he switch on or start taking because of the money? I didn’t notice any change, so who cares who donates?

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cat's avatar

Ukraine war -- flip flop right out of the gate. Big red flag for someone like me who wanted DeSantis precisely because of how he stands up against the Narrative.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I will be honest, I never dug into it. Just saying that was the knee-jerk response from my mostly Trump loving friends. And sadly, in politics, perception is too-often reality, even if the perception is misguided. My mantra has been keep the focus on what I CAN have influence in - LOCAL, and worry about the presidential race when it comes time to vote. (although I do have a friend running for congress this year so I am wading into the national issues pool more this year)

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John Bugni's avatar

Donna , I don't think there will be an election. If there is, the deep state still has everything in place to steal it and they have control of our corrupt judicial system so we have been unable to do anything about it. I believe there is someone in the military who is really running the government and in order to save the Republic will declare martial law and suspend the election and begin a reconstitution of our Republic.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

@John Bugni, are you "reading"/between the lines from (ret.) Gens. McInerney and Vallely? Any other sources? I got the same feeling a year ago or so when hearing them present. Haven't followed since. Trusting. And praying.

*edit: And reeeeallly wondering about NESARA

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Stariel291's avatar

Agree completely. Either there won’t be an election or the steal is already ready to go.

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Kim Thompson's avatar

These are the upper eschelon also known as establishment who wants status quo concerning many things. These donors are also known as RINOS for their stance on policies.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/22/politics/ron-desantis-donors/index.html

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CStone's avatar

This article makes me like him even more. Even though he is trying ugh, he needed to ‘see’ what it was like out there. He’s still pretty young in the world of politics. I don’t think he’s a ‘cut-throat’ kind of guy. I hope he never is. But he does need another few years under his belt to toughen his resolve.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Well, I’m not very satisfied with that. Your proof was from the beginning of his campaign. What candidate, to begin his campaign, would refuse any money?

A war chest to begin your campaign is critical. And you not going to get there with $30 and $50 donations.

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Annie's avatar

Paul Ryan and Jeb bush.

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Ed Y.'s avatar

Almost all his funding was from hedge funds and Wall Street. Very little was from grassroots. Once the big donors maxed out, he ran out of cash. The worst run political campaign in recent memory.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Where does Lucas get his money? There should be some sort of limits on donations that can’t be twisted or ignored.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I have never dug into him, but know he has big ambitions. He spends a lot of time in DC. The stadium issue is mainly the county and the sports authority although I am sure the city of KC, and the State will be asked to cough up something for this boondoggle. White's veto got over-ridden today, meaning a 3/8 cent sales tax extension for 40 years will go on the April ballot. Fear is the teams will leave without it. Let them go as far as I'm concerned. They wanted April ballot as it's a low turnout election and the unions and the teams multi-million dollar advertising campaign are going to ride this hard to get it passed. I will be voting no.

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My Favorite Things's avatar

I think he probably (rightfully) thought he could do a much better than the adulterer, jab loving, phony Trump. However, DeSantis isn’t an actor or showman.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

At least Trump kept us out of wars.

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Dave aka Geezermann's avatar

Trump kept us out of wars because he actually made historic peace agreements, like the Helsinki Accords and the one with Saudi Arabia. He did this in spite of opposition from our own deep state department. They WANT war, they STILL want war.

@Sarahanne25 - that's a ridiculous and dishonest thing to say about Trump, something the Desantards would say.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

The Military Industrial Complex insists on death and destruction.

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Roger Beal's avatar

"Insists"? The MIC thrives on death and destruction; it is their financial lifeblood. It ensures (they thinkl) that their progeny will live high off the hog, well-insulated from we plebes.

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Justa Nobod-eeee's avatar

DeSantards?

Really?!

This is how we lose.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Yes, I was going to agree with Dave until he said that. Geez I wish people would stop attacking our side. But then, maybe Sarah and Dave don’t see things as “our side”, but want to divide us.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Kathy, I call it 'the last line problem.' I'm reading along, agreeing, agreeing, thinking I'm going to like or share a comment, and then doh! That last line.

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devoalan's avatar

I didn’t know there was such a thing. But Imbeciles, they are a dime a dozen. They watch television.

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BBS's avatar

Come on, Dave. "Desantards" is right up there with Hillary's "Deplorables." Do better.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

Actually, it's quite truthful. Trump is a documented adulterer, began Warp Speed to create and distribute the COVID vaccine, and is a phony. You're a Trumpject.

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MayBella82's avatar

You are without sin?

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Neil Kellen's avatar

What does that have to do with this part of the thread?

Are you implying that it's ok for some people to sin, but not others?

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My Favorite Things's avatar

I spoke the truth. Everything I said is easily verified.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

My ex-husband was a serial adulterer. It says so right in the footnotes of the divorce decree. The Presbyterian U.S.A. Pastor we were under at the time (my husband was an Elder), called him in because of rumors. As related by to me by the ex-husband, the pastor, who had the shape and face of a fat toad, said he shouldn’t be judged too harshly since he was tall, dark, handsome and charming and thus exposed to far more temptation than some self-righteous men, who were proud of their faithfulness, but didn’t have women chasing them.

They would have to hire a prostitute to cheat.

Yes, Trump committed adultery decades ago. He’s been with the same gracious woman now for many years. Jab loving? That’s your opinion.

Phony? Your opinion again.

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liz's avatar

at least he's hopefully going to take down the Deep State (from a former left Dem)

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liz's avatar

Looks like he's all in for the Israeli genocide of gaza though so...

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My Favorite Things's avatar

Like he did when he was in office? No prosecution of Hillary, keeping Fauci, Wray and Barr? Allowing Dems to loot & burn?

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Rebecca Campbell's avatar

And, maybe we lost equally as many people due to his Warp speed urging as we would with a war?

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Covid is a bioweapon created and funded by the US government.

Covid shots are also a bioweapon created and funded by the US government.

DoD/DARPA/BARDA/NIH are murderous psychopaths.

Both covid and the shots were created long before Trump took office.

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CStone's avatar

Exactly. And the plan was for it to be much worse under Hillary. So those with TDS need to stand down and get help.

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Beckadee's avatar

If people will recall when DJT banned travel from China he was called a racist. When he recommended therapeutics early they said he was telling people to drink bleach. He put together a team that was already there. If he thought Fauci was as corrupt as we now know, he would not have been able to just fire him. We are 4 years into this crap and some cable news are just now reporting on things that most of us have been reading about and considering for awhile. A very small percentage of people I might add. I didn't take the vax but if DJT had told me personally it was fine I still wouldn't have. Bottom line I don't blame Trump for any of this. And I question the motives and common sense of people who continue to do so.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

I agree he had no choice, he was duped and railroaded. But, darn it, why can’t he admit that and get on with the other things he does so well? Simply, ego.

Let’s hope going forward he chooses a better team and stays strong. We need him, now more than ever.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Karen, my guess is that never admitting weakness or failure is one of his life rules. Perhaps it came from his father or some teacher at the military institute he attended, or perhaps he developed it himself during his business career. At any rate, it's one of his characteristics, like his other ones we're not used to seeing in Madison Avenue -style politicians. It's part of what makes Trump Trump. Without it, he would have been forced into a communist struggle session by now. I've decided to ignore and accept things like that and focus on the positives, of which there are many.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I just love how people want to advise Trump about how he can be successful.

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JSR's avatar

👆🏼👆🏼

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Fla Mom's avatar

Kathleen, this 20-minute video is probably the most persuasive one I've seen on that subject. I had never heard of David Martin before, not living in his professional world nor having a TV, to see him as a frequent guest on various financial TV shows, so I wasn't sure what to make of him when I first started seeing interviews of him and talks by him. This talk is quite something.

https://rumble.com/v2mbo8c-david-martin-eu-parliament-international-covid-summit-may-3-2023-coronaviru.html

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Thanks for posting the link for folks who are not familiar with Dr. Martin.

Really important to get the word out.

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

🎯🎯

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MayBella82's avatar

He did not mandate it. People wanted a vaccine and they got one. How is he to blame that Fauci is an evil POS. People have short memories and choose to believe the worse instead of the truth.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I doubt many people actually knew what a murdering psycho Fauci is...

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Beat that dead horse if it makes you happy. I’ll say again, the Coffee and Covid substack began at about the same time as the plan to run DeSantis as another type of Trump, but minus the perceived brashness was being formulated. The policies without the colorful nicknames and mean tweets.

DeSantis supporters were counting on the Lawfare tactics and Covid angst to eliminate Trump quite quickly.

It didn’t happen. And those of you who keep going on about Covid, Covid, Covid; still determined that it is the key weapon against Trump, need to think outside of this echo chamber we’re dealing with.

Trump supporters are realistic about what happened. We were walking that daily horror show along with President Trump. We do not and never will blame him.

The world outside your echo chamber is thinking about the economy, the threat of young military age foreign men pouring across our open borders, the threat of WWIII, the dangers of DEI taking over the military, the airlines and other sectors where inferior personnel can put people in danger, the perversion of our culture in sacrificing the unborn, trafficking children, protecting pedophile elites…

There’s a lot to think about. Covid is just one thing. And I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the general population to come around to your point of view.

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Jude Zentmeyer's avatar

We love Governor DeSantis, now we conservatives must support our party and vote for Donald Trump. There is no other choice.

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Dena's avatar

Stay focused - the left has to go.

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Kim Thompson's avatar

Ask yourself why Trump is running. He has a lovely, loving family, great companies, money, was never indicted until he stated he was running for President. Instead of believing the phony news organizations find out why he ran the first time. He told you why he would run if asked years ago. Those videos still exist. Then ask the question who asked him to run? Next question, which he already answered, why is he running this time. Research for yourself.

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MayBella82's avatar

Thank you Kim. Like you, I believe he loves this country and he has said for many, many years. He is not owned by anyone which I respect them most. I don’t care that he has been married 3 times or cheated. That is between him and God.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

LOL. Look at Bill Clinton and his lies and sexcapades in WH. Or how about JFK and his notorious infidelity. While in WH at that! I’ll take Trump. To our knowledge now he is faithful!

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Seeking Grace's avatar

@Kim Thompson great questions. I remember reading that people have to be “shown, not told” how bad progressive rule could really be. 5D chess and all that. Who knows? My favorite prayer these days from the Surrender novena is “Jesus, I surrender myself to you; take care of everything.” He is the firm foundation; everything else is shifting sand 🙏🏻

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Justa Nobod-eeee's avatar

"...than the adulterer, jab loving..."

This is also how we lose.

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devoalan's avatar

Ah,you’ve been watching television. Very good. You will learn much from the idiot box.

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Just Comment's avatar

Not phony, because the Deep State HAAATE Trump.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Wow, what a list of accusations with no evidence. I’m looking for someone who loves our country, our Constitution and American citizens. God is in control and still on the throne. He places and removes those in power to serve His greater purpose. My trust is in God, not any man!

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CStone's avatar

Sarahanna225

Your ignorance is duly noted.

Your two ‘NN’s’ are suspended etc. it that you BeNN????????

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

LOL. Phony? You might have come up with a better adjective than phony. Even democrats know he’s not phony. He has always been “out there” and is what makes some people go mad. They call out his so-called mean tweets and name calling as defects in his character. Politicians are cutthroats in their secluded offices plotting against their rivals. The gloves come off and almost nothing is off the table to use against their opponents. Their world is not a nice one.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Bites, it occurred to me in the 2016 campaign that with Trump, who was my last choice for the Republican candidate, his sins are unhidden, on display for all to see, whereas Hillary's are some of her most closely-guarded secrets. That thought changed my view of Trump and took away some of my disappointment in having him as the candidate. His list for Supreme Court nominees helped a lot, and then his governing policies had me sold, along with finding out through watching him at rallies that he has a great sense of humor, which is intentionally ignored by the MSM.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Wise woman, Fla Mom. You definitely earned your stripes in discernment. Too bad they didn’t see it as you did. There are those - we all know - who will never vote for Trump. C’est la vie.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

That is ridiculous and dishonest.p

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FourWinds's avatar

I'm not sure America as we have known it will still be here in 2028.

Sorry folks, I am having a really down day.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Unfortunately, I agree with you.

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MayBella82's avatar

We are in a spiritual warfare... keep your eyes on the good. The war has already been won. These things we are seeing is evil trying to get as many souls are possible...hense the separation of wheat and weeds. Be the wheat :-).

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Seeking Grace's avatar

@FourWinds we all have those days; you’re not alone. But then I think we have to remember that we were born in this particular time for a particular reason, and that we all have a singular mission to accomplish. I pray that we have wisdom and discernment to know that mission and the courage to complete it 🙏🏻 As BFM says, maybe step away from the news and focus on something that brings you joy!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Same. I have to always level set and step away from the newz.

I think it's time for another beach trip.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Four Winds, oh, you optimist, lol! 2028?! How about by Inauguration Day of 2025? Still, all we can do is make our plans and carry them out, then take the adventure that God sends us. "The America as we have known it" has passed by the wayside several times since 1789, I think. It's our turn, to do what we can to make it be the best that we can. Did you watch Downton Abbey? It was interesting to observe the changes in society over the decades covered in the series.

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Sharon's avatar

four winds, it won't be the same, but if we can persevere, our world could be better. remember; there's always a "wild card" somewhere in the deck 😉

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Annie's avatar

Yep. Never trumpers and the rino brigade of the uniparty, aka lying Paul Ryan and Jeb bush et al, pushed that campaign. While I don't have a problem with Desantis, the rest of those reptiles can go pound sand. They are traitors.

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BBS's avatar

And fair or not, we are all known by the company we keep. Desantis made a huge, unforgettable mistake with a lot of us when he aligned himself with the Bushes and Rove.

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Jude Zentmeyer's avatar

Agree. We love our Governor, and want him to be our Governor. Then in 2028 we are all for him, including Donald Trump, to be president. He got very bad advice and listened to it.

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Jpeach's avatar

DeSantis just seemed totally uncomfortable with bending his ideology to his Mega Donors. This may explain his awkward body language and messaging. He has to feel much more in control and confident as Governor. He needs to double down on protecting Florida from the wrath of the Globalists.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I wish he would ban the covid shots in Florida.

It would send shock waves around the world.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Plus it sure as heck would elevate DeS's credibility for the next election cycle.

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Fred's avatar

Agree, but is banning them akin to ‘practicing medicine without a license?’ I think it would be if it was an officially approved intervention.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

The Swine Flu vaccine was pulled in 1976 with less than 50 deaths.

Just copy that maneuver.

Use the deaths reported in VAERS as the reason.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Fred, Ladapo can make the recommendation and DeSantis can follow it. Ladapo has pointed out that FDA didn't follow their own policies and that there is significant contamination of the products. He's giving them the rope, but by bit, that I hope he (figuratively, feds!) hangs them with.

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Fred's avatar

“From your lips….” Dr. Fla Mom.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Kathleen, I think they're edging toward that. Having Ladapo recommend against the mRNA injection products is the most recent step. As the information and data from the FDA will continue to be absent, because they failed to follow their own guidelines and so there are no data, it will be easier for him to recommend the next step. I hope that's where they're going with it; we'll see.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I wish DeSantis would hurry up.

Safety signals were triggered 6 months after the shot roll out for myocarditis from the Pfizer shot.

A VA doctor notified CDC by email.

Read that again...after 6 months, the VA and the CDC knew there were serious problems.

No. One. Said. Anything.

Story was up on The Epoch Times. Information was acquired via FOIAs.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/exclusive-veterans-affairs-found-safety-signal-for-pfizer-covid-vaccine-never-disclosed-it-5561709?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I can appreciate this point!!!!👍🏻

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Cowgirl Dee's avatar

I think it was the plan all along. Give us someone with possibility and see if the voters could be leaning away from Trump. There could have been a contingency plan for this date. Which ever candidate looked stronger the other would bow out. Now, the real dirty mud slinging can abate and desantis can actively campaign for Trump.

Let us not forget that before desantis became governor Trump endorsed him. Why the vitriol just because desantis couldn’t stop the fbignoramouses from raiding ??

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Natalie's avatar

DeSantis became governor BECAUSE Trump endorsed him. It probably would have been prudent to wait till the next election cycle just from political expediency.

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My Favorite Things's avatar

I didn’t vote for DeSantis because of Trump. I voted for him because he was the best man for the job.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

DeSantis ran a horrible campaign in 2018. I remember asking other conservatives about him, and we didn’t know who he was. He certainly didn’t distinguish himself in Congress. He would not have won without Trump’s endorsement.

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Timothy Wallace's avatar

"Plan"? 'They' are not capable of playing chess, let alone 3D chess.

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

I feel it was good for DeSantis to run and by doing so he sets himself up for the next election to be the prime candidate along with Vivek. I personally would have chosen DeSantis over Trump but I do feel Trump did a good job as president except for his name calling ways. He did fall into two honey traps, the January 6 Democrat ploy to cast him out permanently and he kept Fauci in even though he had to know he funded the gain of function virus. Two major mistakes by Trump. DeSantis is brilliant and a good man!!! Thank you DeSantis!!

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daverkb's avatar

The campaigns of DeSantis and I should imagine Vivek too, are primarily a grooming of possible candidates for future runs. Call it a sort of beta-testing where 'rising stars' get hard on the road experience in the business of getting elected at the national level. DeSantis will have four more years to figure things out.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Dave, if true, DeSantis missed the zeitgeist and never should have criticized Trump. Vivek's angle was much smarter.

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daverkb's avatar

Yes, and and I think it's a matter of what God puts in us. I know, for example, I could never have done it like Trump or Vivek. Not in a million years. I simply don't have 'it' in me and never will, not that it matters any more. DeSantis as the Master of C & C put it, didn't Crack the Code. He's pretty smart. And maybe he will. I guess we will just have to see, God willing, how things turn out.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

You made an excellent point.

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Sondy's avatar

I just hope if doesn’t ruin his chances to try again in 2028. He’s done great things for Florida and will, if given a 2nd swing at the ball, do great things for our Country!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

He'll be OK for 2028.

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Lew's avatar

Maybe he'll run for Senate and replace the embarrassing, war-loving moron Rick Scott. Or equally bad Rubio in 2026 in preparation for Pres in 2028.

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Fla Mom's avatar

If he beats Rubio in 2026, will he quit that office too, to run for President again? Extremely bad look, if he does. Senate is a 6-year term, and one is considered a failure to be a one-term Senator.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

That would be a good path for him to pursue.

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Missy's avatar

I always said it - everything is such a mess that we need a person who knows and can be a total jerk if need be to fight this off- THEN DeSantis comes in afterwards as the gentleman with the hard stance. But he HAD to run in 2024 in order to get him to 2028 with the momentum he owns now. DeSantis 2028 is where it will be. Problem is he ends his FL term in 2027 — so there will be a year of no office that may hurt him

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shayne's avatar

Absolutely.

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Natalie's avatar

One of the biggest tragedies of the DeSantis failed campaign--as well as the Haley, Pence, and Christie campaigns--is that it diverted millions of dollars away from election integrity efforts and ways to secure the election. (I don't include Vivek in this because he put in his own money.) The Dems are way, way ahead of Republicans regarding raising money to put in their coffers, and we need more money to support election integrity projects in Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, etc. Of course, many of the donors of DeSantis, Pence, and especially Haley and Christie would not go towards those efforts because they don't actually want a secure election. (That would lead to a Trump election.) But anybody who believed in America-first goals and principles should have come together early and put as much money as possible into those efforts. The RNC money spent on so much silliness, including the debates, which changed nothing, is shameful.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Rona, the head of the RNC, needs to be tossed.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

He makes rivers into a wilderness

And springs of water into a thirsty ground;

A fruitful land into a salt waste,

Because of the evil of those who inhabited it.

He makes a wilderness into a pool of water

And a dry land into springs of water;

And there He causes the hungry to inhabit,

So that they may establish an inhabited city,

And sow fields and plant vineyards,

And produce a fruitful harvest.

Also He blesses them and they multiply greatly,

And He does not let their cattle decrease.

But when they decrease and are bowed down

Through oppression, evil, and sorrow,

He pours contempt upon nobles

And makes them wander in a pathless void.

But He sets the needy securely on high away from affliction,

And makes his families like a flock.

The upright see it and are glad;

But all unrighteousness shuts its mouth.

Who is wise? Let him keep these things,

And carefully consider the lovingkindnesses of Yahweh.

— Psalm 107:33-43 LSB

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CStone's avatar

This was like breathing life back into this old soul. Life can be exhausting.

I thank the Most High for His faithfulness.

And you, Janice, for faithfully sharing His Word.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

‘Cept for when I’m lazily sleeping . . . 😌😝

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Sharon's avatar

😏😉

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Thank you, Janice, this was very much needed this morning!

Mrs. "the Knife"

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Concerned mom's avatar

I love His word, and take special note on: He does NOT let their cattle decrease!!!

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

I especially like the part about unrighteousness shutting its mouth . . .

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J Boss's avatar

With all due respect, your take on why DeSantis never gained sufficient traction leaves out a fundamental key: he took millions from the billionaire donor class, the same folks that the RNC caters to with their non-action plan on all key conservative Americans' interests. And worse, he followed the blatantly obvious campaign strategies of "the big club," which has now become a transparent beacon of danger.

His real sin was not being rich enough to be free of control of the big club.

See TheConservativeTreehouse.com for how this really works. This exact outcome was predicted, including the alignment with the big club donors and even the early departure *more than a year ago.* This isn't as much rocket science as it is corporate controlled politics, which he couldn't escape.

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Jeff C's avatar

I was openly skeptical of Sundance's theories on this and jousted with a few Trump supporters who (IMO) were presenting opinion as fact. I leaned toward DeSantis at the start as I really wanted "Trump without the drama". But now that things have played out, it's clear that Sundance was exactly right.

In the big scheme of things, no one really cares about how Florida is run so DeSantis was free to act on his convictions. Running the US is another thing altogether, and it's pretty clear DeSantis was caged by the establishment GOP moneymen. The Ukraine flip-flop was as ugly as it comes, and I never saw DeSantis the same way after that. Couple that with his apparent ambivalence regarding the Trump persecutions and his campaigned was doomed. For good reason I might add, this is not the time for another apparently managed hack (in spite of all DeSantis' good qualities).

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Good points. DeSantis was against the war in Ukraine. Then he flopped.

Worst yet was his position that 2020 was not a rigged election.

I don't see how we support Ron for 2028 if he's going to go along with the Big Steal.

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Jeff C's avatar

It's not a condemnation of DeSantis as it's now clear that no one can tell the truth about what is really going on unless they are independently wealthy (e.g. Trump, Vivek). It is sad that DeSantis cowed to the GOP moneymen rather than defying them. Hopefully his endorsement of Trump is a break from them.

I have a bad sense though that there is a developing strategy change from the donors as they have finally realized they cannot stop Trump. They are going to appear to support him while doing everything they can to internally undermine his policies (exactly like McConnel and Ryan did the first time).

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Freebird's avatar

Good observation Jeff. I believe his own (supposed) allies did more to damage him than his enemies accomplished. So many Trump appointees were obviously plants by the deep state…Bill Barr et al.

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Principled Pragmatist's avatar

Or they move completely to Nikki. Maybe Nikki will decide to run as an Independent once she flames out during a primaries. She can secure all the Big Donor $$ from the massive Israeli lobby and Never Trumper RINOs.

With 2 Independents (Neocon Nikki and RFK Jr), now wouldn’t that be interesting? 🧐

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Wow, that would be crazy. And very well could happen.

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Principled Pragmatist's avatar

Yes but I suspect Trump has lots of support from the Israeli lobby in spite of appearances.

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Principled Pragmatist's avatar

One of these days I’ll get in the C&C stack early enough to post this hard-truth reality about the war in Gaza:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz8G60wZwH4

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A.J.'s avatar

Then the real 2024 race is for all the Congressional House seats and the senate slots up for reelection. Which Presidential candidates will have the strongest coat tails to get true reformers seated?

Today, RFK started his registration push in California for his new We The People party to get on the California ballot in November. Fewer voter signatures needed than running as an independent in November. That is a game changer to start a new party given how now only established parties get automatic slots in the November ballots in all US states.

Would be a hoot to see Trump and RFK debates the jab.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Yep. I bet this true. We need to remove MCconnell

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Roger Beal's avatar

Sundance is usually "exactly right". Like El Rushbo the broadcaster, Sundance executes his editorial duties correctly 99.5% of the time.

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Jeff C's avatar

Not sure if he's in El Rushbo territory but I agree that he is right far more often than he is wrong.

My only beef with him is that he presents extremely well-reasoned opinions as fact instead of what it actually is (conjecture with evidence). We need to be clear about the difference between what we know vs. what we think we know.

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Roger Beal's avatar

A valid criticism IMO. Sundance's identity is a well-guarded secret; conjectures range from "a Publix produce manager" to "a letter agency mole".

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Jeff C's avatar

Adding a comment here that state governors can do all sorts of great things regarding the culture wars and state-wide policies. Here DeSantis shined.

But the moneymen really don't care about this stuff except peripherally. The things they care about are where the states have virtually no control; monetary policy, foreign policy, tariffs, endless wars, immigration, etc. The corrupt system here has made them rich and powerful, and they intend to keep it that way.

That is what's so disappointing about DeSantis as he was so good on so many issues. But we failed to see they were relatively inconsequential sideshows, and when it came to the stuff that really mattered (above) he went along with the system.

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Melissa Leigh's avatar

Who is Sundance?

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Carol Brizzolara's avatar

I want to know, too. I have no idea of whom they speak!

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Karmy's avatar

The conservative treehouse. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

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ICI Grief (The Rebel's Hike)'s avatar

I've been a reader of theconservativetreehouse since 2015. Once your eyes are opened to the things that Sundance explains, you can never not see it all anymore.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

all about the money as usual. otherwise we would have had a president Ron Paul years ago

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Annie's avatar

I cannot stand lying Paul Ryan.

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goodnightrose's avatar

I will NEVER get over the bullshit we witnessed right here in our own county at the 2012 Iowa caucus. 🤬

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

I just read yesterday that I cannot even write in Ron Paul. He is older than the 2 but he has WAY better ideas. I am going to look up the caucus 2012 Rose, because I did miss that. That was the year I became a US citizen :)

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

oh wow I just read a couple stories! what a mess

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Jaci's avatar

That started it all for Biden! Party’s choice come hell or high water.

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AnnieMarie's avatar

That’s why I hope Vivek will run in 2028, he’s not a career politician and he has his own money. He can’t be bought

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Susan Clack's avatar

He’s not eligible as he is not NATURAL-BORN. But neither was Obama, so...🤷‍♀️

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mary's avatar

Vivek lost me when he said Israel is no more special than any other middle eastern country. Trojan horse.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Lord. Please no more money to those war mongers.

America First.

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TB's avatar

... but they're not? Their main positive features are that they are a western-ish democracy, and not intent on wiping out or subjugating any of their neighbors. (Well except maybe Iran if they got nukes, but they would call that "a pre-emptive strike"...)

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Vicki's avatar

Truth, which brings Desantis' discernment into question!

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LMWC's avatar

“Coffee & Covid has always withheld criticism of either candidate and hewed to our core philosophy that there is no one perfect political “Superman” who can magically fix everything, however much we yearn for a savior. Politics is not where saviors are found.”

I have always agreed with this sentiment. However, something is brewing under the surface. The 2020 stolen election was never fixed; it was never acknowledged by msm. In fact, many states have enacted laws to assure elections will never be fair again. We have John Fetterman in PA, Katie Hobbs, governor of AZ and a host of others who we all know were not elected by the people. And yet we continue this charade.

Suddenly Trump is receiving endorsements from Republicans who couldn’t wait to throw him under the bus after J6. He looks like he has the full backing of the Republican Party and that raises the hair on the back of my neck. Something is up. Why is Nikki Haley staying in? I don’t like what I think might be happening. There will be no rematch between Trump and Biden, because there will be no Trump or Biden running when the election gets here. Everything done in secret. The noise is to cover what is really going on.

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KATHERINE JERNIGAN's avatar

Hmmm. True dat. And even the WEF Satanists are saying Trump will win. Blackrock CEO said we can't take 4 more years of Bidenomics. Something stinks...

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OJen's avatar

Yeah, that's a huge red flag for me!

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Justa Nobod-eeee's avatar

WEFtists know Cloward-Piven worked, and they goosed the problem using The Hair Sniffer.

Now it's time for Trump to take the blame after Jan 2025.

In 2028, we'll get another WEFtist/Marxist win like 1936 and Amerika will be permanent.

God wins in the end, and Dark Ages 1 ultimately led to the United States, but Dark Ages 2 shouldn't appeal to any of us.

We better get our stuff in one sock, pronto!

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Freebird's avatar

LMWC, I think you’re absolutely right. Something doesn’t smell right about the many unheard of endorsements Trump has gotten lately, he was even mentioned favorably at Davos! Something is afoot, and I don’t trust it.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

The problem is…whatever they have cooked up for us - we don’t have a clue because we don’t think nefariously and criminal the way they do. We’ll be shocked once again. But this time we are looking for it so that’s at least a little better.

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SadieJay's avatar

Seriously. I am making a shirt that says "Meteor 2024. Let's just get this over with."

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Jaci's avatar

They are all guilty of pedeo and money laundering...just trying to save themselves.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Pennsylvania cheated.

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Annie's avatar

I don't believe that's fetterman. He looks different. And that much improvement? Yeah. 🤔

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Yeah. Do you think that guy has got one of those rubbery lookalike masks on?

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SadieJay's avatar

Face Off.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

Switched out

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Concerned mom's avatar

It makes sense...so he can run again and again and stay in the House!

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

Michigan cheated. All the way through the ticket.

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KATHERINE JERNIGAN's avatar

And nothing has been fixed (except we got fixed). Wretchen and the other evil two women are still in; Tudor whatsherface got the nomination out of nowhere, and the GOP majority Legislature (feckless though they were) got replaced . All after a horrible Covid draconian misery foisted on the State! How is this possible? We are doomed in MI. :(

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Natalie's avatar

Yes, it's terrible here in Michigan. Bad policy after bad policy (or should I say evil policy) has been enacted since the Dems got total control. I hardly recognize my beautiful state of Michigan anymore.

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BBS's avatar

Yeah, but you won the National Championship and the Lions are still very much in the game!!!!! :)

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KATHERINE JERNIGAN's avatar

Yay! Some joy in coldville.

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Stariel291's avatar

Agree. And don’t forget they stole the Supreme Court too. Doomed we are.

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Carrie's avatar

Hard to fix when those who cheated are still in power.

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FourWinds's avatar

"However, something is brewing under the surface." Agreed. I can't see what it is, but something is obviously wrong with the whole picture.

Never forget that Hitler "saved" the German people after the devastation of WWI by rebuilding the economy and getting Germany up and running again. However, his "saving" them came at a price of 6 million lives. I am not worried about the people, like Biden and his rainbow army of weirdos who have destroyed and continue to destroy us, but I sure am wary of whoever comes to "save" America. Desperate people grasp onto anything when they are starving or homeless, and that would include another Hitler. That is what makes me nervous.

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LMWC's avatar

That is an interesting theory and could have legs. My Parents went to a famed German restaurant around here 50 years ago. Their waitress had immigrated from Germany after WWII. She said the same thing, Hitler brought arts and sciences back to the schools. He seemed to be rebuilding the economy and making Germany a power again. Where I see the difference with DJT is Trump wants us out of foreign entanglements. He does not want America conquering the world, but he did want a strong defense militarily, which our Constitution calls for. And it was the largely unsung things by the msm that Trump did where I also see a difference. Going to Afghanistan quietly on Christmas his first one as President, to visit troops. Personally laying wreaths on military graves in Arlington with no fanfare. Getting the Right to Try law passed. Trying to make America energy independent. There were many more. This doesn’t speak to me of a fascist dictator in the making. But it does bare watching.

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Tom's avatar

It makes me wonder whether the WEF messaging is being done to plant a seed. Perhaps their plan is to drive the wedge home between the Marxist left and what remains of actual conservatives in the US.

For example, Trump is elected. The left goes "mostly peaceful" all across the country. Then a Marxist takes matters into his own hands and . . . removes him from office in a treasonous way. Chaos would ensue. The kind of chaos from which we will have to "build back 'better'" into something unrecognizable, but preferable to Klaus and his puppetmaster.

I take nothing at facevalue, and am only speculating wildly here for the sake of an example. But the narrative shift is notable and worth watching.

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Sherry 1's avatar

What? It’s the DEMS that are pushing Trump as a Nazi. Don’t give it legs. Non-starter. Jeeze. Trump loves America and Americans, you are lucky. I live in a country where our so-called Representative (can’t call him a leader, he’s not) hates us and hates our country. Aren’t we all sick to death of the name calling? Racist, misogynist, denier, Islamophobe, transphobe, traitor, hater and now they hit the bottom of the barrel. Nazi.

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SadieJay's avatar

It says in The Good Book that the antichrist will bring peace and people will see him as God and the answer.

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Paula's avatar

Yes, but that has to do w/Israel, and the Lord says the ac is Assyrian. None of that can happen before the Church, the body of Christ is removed as the Lord teaches us via the Apostle Paul.

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SadieJay's avatar

Are you my sister? You seriously sound like my literal sister.

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Paula's avatar

If you're in Christ (by grace thru faith, alone), then, yes, I am your sister in Christ :)

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SadieJay's avatar

Absolutely. :)

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Natalie's avatar

Vivek has said the very thing. The powers that be will not let Trump become president again. Haley, as the last "man" standing, is waiting in the wings for that to happen.

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daverkb's avatar

If Trump is not elected president, then I cannot make any sense out of the orchestrating of Milei at the WEF ... nor Wall Street suddenly backing the Orange Man. These two, incidental are clarion call signalling events.

However, if Trump is somehow pushed aside, then my whole analysis is turned upside down and I will have to reconsider everything. The Great Pivot away from Radically Insane Marxist Woke, aka Globalism ... is designed to save the hides of the Apex Money Power Elite who are seriously in trouble and in jeopardy of losing a grip if they don't abandon Woke, replacing it with something else. (It is still all theater, serious theater and inside the box stuff.)

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PrsctNative's avatar

Hair raised on my neck as well. Something is up but I haven’t connected the dots. Gas prices go down after the US bombs Yemen? Pro- democracy Trump supporters are welcomed in Davis? 🤔?

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Alison Smith's avatar

Most state Republican legislatures have changed voting laws to be MORE secure, the msm is just not reporting on it.

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LMWC's avatar

I will disagree with that. The “swing states” of Michigan, PA, AZ, have all enacted laws for mail in voting, no voter ID requirements, and extended early in person voting. Not more secure, much less so.

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Alan Davis's avatar

Nobody has fixed Fulton, Maricopa, Wayne, Clark, Philly or Milwaukee counties. Sorry no R can win 270 w/o fixing those counties

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devoalan's avatar

Arrest the fraudulent vote getters on camera from 2000 mules? That might work. Five, ten years in prison?

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Alison Smith's avatar

There is no such thing as a swing state anymore. Our elections looks nothing like they historically did.

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Justa Nobod-eeee's avatar

FL folks: call/write to support HB135/SB1256, HB671/SB190, HB359/similar to SB1752, HB1101/SB1168, HB1669/similar to SB1752.

More info at https://defendflorida.org

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Concerned mom's avatar

Let's NOT forget the millions of illegals that are being "educated" on how to vote in our country! DEMS have allowed enough illegals to enter, vote and swing many elections for years to come.... GOD HELP US!!!

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Barbara ( Portlander😵‍💫)'s avatar

I pray that is true

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Maybe Trump is winning Republican endorsements because there’s nobody left. Maybe Nikki is staying in because it’s early. Your speculations don’t move me at all.

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Paula's avatar

And, even the wef cult (right hand man of K.Schwab) is saying dt will win. I trust none of this that's happened w/dt, because it's just all so out there and unfathomable. DT stated one time that he would be the last president, and, strangely enough, there was a book written in late 1800s called "The Last President", which seems to mirror things we are seeing today.

https://leohohmann.com/2024/01/15/wef-globalist-yuval-harari-hints-that-trump-will-get-elected-but-then-what/

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AB's avatar

I was thinking the same thing. What are they up to?

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Stariel291's avatar

Yep. Distractions. From what? We’ll find out soon enough but there’s no way this election happens Fair and square if at all.

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LiveDreamRepeat's avatar

I just added a comment to this effect, before reading yours. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Whats the point anymore?

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daverkb's avatar

The Apex Elite, the very tip-top elite of elites, keep multiple forces in play all the time. They shift their major civilizational thrust rarely, once in hundreds of years. What we saw with Milei at the WEF, what I call The Great Pivot, is a announcement of a likely MAJOR shift of emphasis in the Grand Game ... the game of how 'they' play us poor peons like a pipe organ. And if we see more and more confirmations. Wall Street doing a sudden volt-face and being strangely, enigmatically for the Orange Man, the Devil Incarnate, is sort of a Big Tell.

Remember Wall Street is only for Wall Street and Wall Street like the Central Banking Money Monoply is Apex Banker owned, lock, stock and barrel.

NeoCon Nikki at this point is window dressing in order to keep the illusion that their is some kind of real contest going on.

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Karkar's avatar

Yes, that is what keeps me up at night. It’s hard because I am a bit of a Pollyanna. But politics over the years has really tromped all over that!

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Fred's avatar

Agree. I think the WEF ‘support’ is to deflect ... and the only one left is Nikki?!?

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BBS's avatar

This comment has nothing to do with anything but on the other hand, it has everything to do with everything. Paraphrasing Billy Graham: "Believe. Look up. Have courage. The angels are nearer than you think."

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Mark A Girard's avatar

Pray unceasingly :)

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Sarah Bee's avatar

Your message has relates to everything 🙏 Thank you

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Oleo2765's avatar

DeSantis is the best stateman we've seen appear in a long time - and I say that not being a Republican myself. But I am glad, really, that he is staying in Florida. Let's be honest - Presidents are puppets these days. Look at Biden, who is literally no longer sane. Presidents do what their handlers/party leaders/globalist owners tell them to do. DeSantis was AWESOME in covid - one of the only governors who seem to realize that states are sovereign, and the feds answer to them, not the other way around. I think we NEED him to continue to be the governor who pushes back. If no governor has the backbone to do that, there will be nowhere to hide in the days ahead. Lets hope he can keep Florida the sanctuary it is!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

It's a shame he didn't stay and do the job he was elected to do. He was willing to leave his post and go to DC by joining the Dems in their war against Trump.

Hopefully now he'll stay in Florida and finish his term without any more shenanigans.

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LizardFro's avatar

I think he was keeping up with both jobs just fine. I honestly don’t think he sleeps.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

@NatureLover “one of the only governors, who seem to realize that states are sovereign, and the feds answer to them, not the other way around.“ Exactly! I had hoped he would lead other conservative governors by showing them how to reclaim their power under the 10th amendment. I still do. Conservative states have to find the spine to stand up to the out-of-control federal leviathan and just say NO!

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Sherry 1's avatar

Like Texas Governor Abbot. Love how he kicked the Feds out.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

@Sherry 1 yes! More please!! 💪🏼

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SM's avatar

DeSantis needs to stick to his guns on core issues.

I want to see the WHO defunded again. I want to see increased tax cuts, I want to see the IRS go after those who are foreign agents. I want to see American Farmers lifted up and incentivized to keep farming. I want to see a secure Border WITH security improvements. I want to see Bill Gates and his conglomerate of unelected officials be totally sidelined when it comes to policy decisions.

I want to see policy changes based on science FACT not science FICTION. No more big investments in wind energy or EVs.

I’d like to see the CDC, FDA, EPA, NIH, NIAID, HHS, DOJ and even the DHS totally dismantled, minimized, decentralized from the feds and returned to state power. Get rid of all financial support to other countries and international organizations until our own country is fully debt free.

Deficit reduction is imperative.

So far only Trump has the balls to get that done. If anyone else could do it, where are they?

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FourWinds's avatar

Except that Florida can't take all of us that want to hide from tyranny and I don't see other governors stepping up like he did.

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Vince's avatar

Total agreement. I want him in Florida, he is good for Florida and serves as an example for other governor's. He is the ultimate "Florida Man"!

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Tom Haviland's avatar

The doctor at the very end of the video clip basically stated, "If these injections that we've given to millions of people are NOT safe, then we should have seen evidence by now of the injuries that they are causing." Is he trying to say that he HASN'T seen any unusual injuries? He hasn't noticed the skyrocketing rates in the last 3 years of myocarditis, miscarriages, turbo cancers, blood clots, nerve damage, autoimmune diseases, and palsies, particularly in younger working people? Come on, man!

How does he explain a 10% increase in "excess mortality" over the last 3 years in highly vaccinated countries, while countries with very low vaccination rates had no excess mortality at all? These doctors are a joke. No one should be listening to them at this point.

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ASK's avatar

Exactly! A doctor with his head buried up pHarma’s behind, enjoying his payday for killing innocents.

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Paige Green's avatar

Looks like he’s a family practice doc. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s willful ignorance. Figure out where his practice gets at least $200,000/year (hint: vaccine schedules).

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LuAnne's avatar

The doctor in that news clip says if there was a safety issue with the jabs, they would have seen those issues by now? Where has he been? Is he living in an alternate universe?

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MSK's avatar

Ignoring the demonstrated injuries is one thing this doc is guilty of. Not understand that the issues Dr Ladapo is addressing wouldn’t necessarily show up immediately is showing his lack of understanding the science.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

Right?

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Carol Brizzolara's avatar

He also said that it isn’t a problem that issues crop up with this new mRNA product. Issues have cropped up before with pharmaceutical offerings. He basically said that those issues are the cost of advancement.

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Raptor's avatar

Sorry to the DeSantis reporters. Hopefully he was not so damaged by what happened on the campaign trail (problems of his own making) that he will try again. While he was NOT the first to open during CVD, he did open early against pretty much everyone telling him he was killing grandma. NOT. He is a terrific, get it done, get rid of the woke, pedo, lying liars, vile pigs, do what is best for his state kinda guy. Hone your people skills my man! Let the belt loose a bit. See ya in 4.

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Tom's avatar

It's important that we have a state like Florida as a benchmark. The system, used properly, would lend itself to the development of best practices. Enter the Commerce Clause . . .

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melissa's avatar

Fetterman recovering? I vote body double. Ears give it away.

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Andrea Leshok's avatar

Meh, I used to think so but now I feel like maybe not because why would a double give all these common sense "alt right" ideas air time? He's way too sensible for a left-run body double campaign.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

I agree. That is not Fetterman. Actor.

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Sherry 1's avatar

They need every vote they can get in that locked Senate.m

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Annie's avatar

Agree 💯

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Samwise's avatar

I had to look up the chocolate pudding story to make sure that was actually a thing.

I wouldn’t trust someone who doesn’t finish their pudding cup with their fingers — you can’t get it all with a spoon, and chocolate pudding is too tasty to go to waste.

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walk2write's avatar

And he does have three small children. Learns by example.

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Tracy's avatar

I thought I was the only adult who does this. My husband laughs at me.

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Vicki's avatar

Hahahahahaha!

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A Guy from South Florida's avatar

There's no chance this year with Trump running, he's getting the nomination.

I don't care whatever he media spins about DeSantis, I'm sure he'll run for 2028 and I'll be there to cast my vote for him.

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gustavi's avatar

I think most conservatives like DeSantis a lot. He's the governor that most conservatives wish they had. I would argue he's also the president most conservatives wish they had. However, for the task at hand, we need a real salty sailor. DeSantis will have his much deserved day. It is right for him to do what he did and that makes him even more loved. And hey, if people are gonna hate on him for eating a pudding cup with his finger they have other problems. He improvised, he adapted, he overcame. :)

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ChicNotGeek's avatar

TBH, that 3 members of the RF have cancers and abdominal illnesses of baffling origin gives hope that not all of the celebrity class received saline c-shots. One way to dismantle the monarchy I guess.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

sad it has to come out in the open like this, but even that does not open eyes.

Dad has a severe 'cold' for the third time in 3 years (since the jabs rolled out). He had not had a cold before that in more than 15 years. The doc told him, that a cold which used to last a week now takes 6 weeks to heal. He has NO idea what is happening - he is only a mayor university professor. How could he know?

Oh, I hope I won't die from scepsis from a surgery I had 36 years ago!

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Annie's avatar

It's the vaxx. If they were unvaxxed, they would be leading with that fact. They are still giving Djokovic crap about being unvaxxed. So keep believing it is all routine. Nothing to see here folks. Move along. 🙉🙈🙊

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

their immunity system is shot. I am wearing the Novax Tshirt right now LOLOL

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Sharon Wood's avatar

Not vaxed. Ive had 4-5 colds in last 4 years. None lasted longer than 5 days. 65 yo.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

not vaxxed, have not had a cold in 15+ years. had flu twice while still on the road with husband. Taking close to nothing but a few supplements and vitamins, and herbs and homeopathics. Have been to doc 4 times in these 15 years (tonsilitis and another throat infection, both times given antibiotics that first made me way sicker but then got better) Avoid docs and hospitals at the best possible! This is where the sick people are LOL. 66 years old

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Irunthis1's avatar

Me too. I did “finally” get something in December that was an influenza like illness that lasted about 3 weeks but was not what I would call severe but it was the first time in ten years I even had the sniffles. Looking forward to another ten years of sniffle free life. FWIW get your vitamin d level up over 60 or reap the whirlwind. I credit my doctor pushing this to my incredible run of good health.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

a doctor to hold on to !

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I’m susceptible to shedding. Just got over something. Unjabbed since 2011.

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Jeff Schreiber's avatar

One chest cold over here in the last five years. I take vitamin C and D, Zinc, Quercetin, NAC plus numerous other supplements, get sunshine, fresh air, good sleep, and do my best to remain in a peaceful state. And being retired doesn’t hurt either.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

I don’t understand why they aren’t saying what Kate has. My guess is an early hysterectomy. Maybe she had bad fibroids🤷🏻‍♀️ that’s what happened to me in my mid 30’s, and I ended up in emergency surgery for starting to birth my fibroid. My family had history, 2 of my other sisters had them as well. Sooooo, I’m not throwing her under the bus just yet, the other two maybe 🤣

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ChicNotGeek's avatar

I’m glad you got relief from having the surgery. Truly, not that i care that much about Kate Middleton, but if it was anything relatively ‘benign’ like hernia surgery, or appendectomy, I would imagine that would have been disclosed. Also, abdominal surgery doesn’t imply pelvic surgery, but maybe i’m just splitting hairs. perhaps a Whipple? But p-cancer is on my mind a lot these days, so that’s all i see anymore.

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Justa Nobod-eeee's avatar

I pray that for whatever reason it's on your mind a lot these days, that you experience a miracle.

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ChicNotGeek's avatar

thank you.

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LizardFro's avatar

I agree - it’s something to do with that and I’d probably refrain from giving everyone the details as well!

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Notch Johnson's avatar

Maybe one or more of these stories are fake - to convince people that not all of the celebrity class received saline c-shots. The media lies and/or is wrong about a lot of things - why not this? We have no way to confirm either way but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that this is a scam to convince us that they too were innocent victims of jabs and not part of an elite depopulation plot.

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ChicNotGeek's avatar

Good point. But I think they would sacrifice ‘lesser’ royals, though Sarah Ferguson is as low as they could get above Andrew, in which case the people would cheer. Or maybe it’s the opposite, that the stories are “embellished” to garner sympathy and support for the RF, not in the context of c-shots, but in general. lol who knows, it’s all effed up. everything and nothing is possible anymore. lol

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Jen's avatar

Or consolidate the wealth even more.

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L1's avatar

I’m just really shocked that any of the royals actually took the real jabs instead of saline. How could they not have known?

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TB's avatar

Why would they have known? All the media and the "eminent scientists" were absolutely convinced that the jabs were magic and not at all harmful, the only ones who knew otherwise were the lab staff who were forbidden from saying anything that would cut into the profits. (/cynic)

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Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

In the land of the blind, the stroked out man is king. Fetterman is a pleasant surprise speaking common sense, but let’s see how he votes. Dean Phillips is the only congressman who doesn’t take PAC money and his biological father was killed in Vietnam when he was an infant, so he is worthy of respect and much more clairvoyant than president dementia.

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daverkb's avatar

Wall Street has suddenly gone Orange Man. Milei has announced the New Manifesto in the heart of the beast (WEF). And now, let's see if any of the marching orders from on high spill over into the Party of Marxist Chic. I would not be surprised, because after all, 'they' have to keep the game going. The theater never closes its doors.

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Name Redacted's avatar

I recently read that Dean Phillips has voted 100% in line with Biden's policies. I think he wants us to think that he is different than Biden but he isn't. So, no respect. Also, I read that Fetterman's new ability to make sense and speak rapidly has something to do with a new mechanical device. You can see that his mouth is not quite in sync with the voice. I am pleased with some of the conservative viewpoints he has been coming out with though.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Does Matt Gaetz take PAC money? I hadn't thought so.

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DAM on the beach's avatar

Oh no Yuri!! Say it isn’t so.

Dean Phillips, being propelled by Bill Ackman, the billionaire CEO of Pershing Square, looks to be a corporatist/globalist proponent of Davos-man elitism. Rumblings are that he supports continued DEI nonsense under the guise of ESG.

The American populace do not want more of this.

Do you really think Phillips is a viable candidate?

Agree Fetterman has undergone a transformation. Hope it persists.

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Justa Nobod-eeee's avatar

So you're saying Ackman *hasn't* turned the corner?

Despite his role in removing Gay from Harvard, and all his alignment with Musk on DIE?

What?!

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Beth Bart's avatar

Happy good morning C&Cs 🌞☕️

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