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Carrie's avatar

There is no such thing as a transgender age 4-10… only adults horrifically abusing them.

Eric Anderson's avatar

There is no such thing as transgender. Hard stop.

Our bodies are not video game avatars.

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Right on.

The opposite of so-called "love" isn't hate, it's indifference - neutrality always favors EVIL

And that's why we're where we're at.

Fabes55's avatar

And typical, the left's definition of "love" is different from ours.

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

I agree! clearly we have a large number of individuals who have been experiencing under active pituitary glands! instead of studying and remedying the lack of testosterone in the males and the lack of estrogen in the females, the medical profession has chosen to play Frankenstein!

When a child is experiencing low growth hormone, the doctor and the parent discuss aiding the natural process with growth hormone, so why don't they treat the sex hormone deficient child or teen in the same manner?

St. Alia the Knife's avatar

The whole "gender affirmation" paradigm is upside-down. They "affirm" in the wrong direction. To your point, if a boy goes to a parent, teacher, or doctor and says he thinks he might be a girl then he should be educated as to why he is not one and any treatment and/or therapy should support that fact. Also, "assigned at birth" isn't a thing. Sex is determined at birth. "Assigned at birth" sounds like there's a quota to meet or perhaps there's a "Wheel of Gender" to spin in the delivery room.

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

100% spot on correct, for any normal clear-headed thinking person.

Thats the problem with these people, they are not normal or clear-headed. They are evil seeking to destroy the USA in particular and humanity in general. The entire lgbtqxyz blah blah blah movement of evil is part of it. Too many people are more willing to put up with it, tolerate it, then just say not on our watch.

Its sheer, abominable, deep evil.

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Its deeply immoral, inhumane, and unethical - seriously, a crime against humanity. The deeply sick individuals pushing this on children, families, and society should be locked up, if not executed. I vote for execution. Line them up and remove them from the Gene pool, there is no place for them in humanity.

Justin's avatar

Why is Minnesota at the center of this again? Is it because of Tampon Tim, or is the entire State government to blame for this insanity?

They obviously have no vetting, background checking, or mental fitness screening for their political candidates there.

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Stolen elections is why. Period. Full stop.

Stop allowing them to steal elections and all of this non-sense from these evil lunatics goes away. There is not enough of them to win elections fairly (but more than enough to steal them) so we get programmable machines and mass wholesale mail in fraud so they "win" - steal elections and any and all seats of power the want at every level, and we suffer the consequences. I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that our only way out of this mess is liberal application (pun not intended) of the 2A.

So, here's a must watch movie. You may have heard of it, "Citizen Vigilante"? Consider the message. I promise its well worth your time.

"I do this for you, until you can do it for yourself."

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/post/sensitive/citizen-vigilante-full-film-2026

Feel free to send it on to others who might benefit from the message.

KB's avatar

Substack had your entire comment hidden on my feed. It just had your name and below that I could click "see comment". Never seen that before on Substack. So obviously I had to click on it to see what they were hiding.

striketheroot's avatar

...and he didn't even use the "Z" or "J" words once! Amazing!

Justin's avatar

I've seen that on a few different Substacks, and found that it is their new AI "Reply Rules" feature. It says the comment is hidden but you can still see and reply to it, as you found, so it's not really hidden.

https://support.substack.com/hc/en-us/articles/49712271829012-What-are-Reply-Rules-on-Substack

Justin's avatar
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Here are 2 more good videos that might help all of us.

Let's see if this gets flagged by the SS AI Reply Rules.

The 7 shifts to make us dangerously smart, by Machiavelli.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWA5E2FWIA8

The megalomaniac's master plan.

The goal is to replace governments with for-profit companies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iLf2h_fo-w

Jan's avatar
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I was licensed and certified as a nurse midwife in 1997 at age 43, the certifying authority is the American College of Nurse Midwives, the catch phrase was "for mothers and babies." When I attended the annual meeting in Chicago, approximately 2012, the largest delegation was from MN, trained at the University of MN, generally lesbians, and focus was "prescriptive rights" re: hormones for reassignment. Tragic and evil. Every woman deserves a midwife but choose wisely.

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

I did not know that but Im not at all surprised. The liberal socialist/communists have been deeply infiltrated into the American education system for decades, doing untold harm to everyone they come in contact with. The inflection point was the pLandemic and the stolen election which was also to be the trigger for the onslaught of the sedition and treasonous activities of the left. And they are doubling down now.

Justin's avatar

So it sounds like MN has been corrupted for a long time, so that is the attraction to MN? And now the Somali Medicare fraud on top of this corruption.

K A's avatar

So maybe the Learing center was actually a Leering center?

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

Isn't it a bit ironic that Lesbians want women to change their bodies to look like men? It used to be that the Lesbians were the hardcore feminist male haters. They ran the abortion clinics and baby parts mills! I guess they really just hated themselves and anyone like them. Could it be that they always wanted to be male? Or are they finding out that the Lesbian fad had passed, so they need to recruit anyway possible?

Alice in Wonderland's avatar

"Like," unlike. This is TRAGIC ~

GregWA's avatar

It's MSP and Madison WI. Evil, insane looney bins surrounded by reality (outlying counties in both States are deeply red). A 20 kt tactical nuke on each city would improve humanity immensely. And those midwestern winters would be warmer!

SHug's avatar

Actually, it in all these all blue states, but esp Minneapolis-St. Paul (Minnesota), Columbus (Ohio), and Seattle (Washington) . You can see clusters of whichever flavor of the day TPS (temporary protected status) 'refugees', & 'sanctuaries' for both trannys & illegals.

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

Agree! California's bigger coastal cities are bat crap crazy and crawling with the lunatic fringe!

SadieJay's avatar
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Watch Trump Card and listen to the Imam talk about these things. He lays it all out and it makes perfect sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKsXnBf4brs

Momcat's avatar

Thanks for the link, really enjoyed it. here's a snippet of iman Tawhidi. He calls democrats stupid.

https://x.com/DameScorpio/status/2035969258149036362

Karen Bandy's avatar

Won’t play on my cell phone! Boo hiss

SadieJay's avatar

I had to remove my VPN to get it to play on my cpu. The islam part is about 40 minutes in or so.

Curtis's avatar

I'm sure they have very extreme vetting, but vastly different criteria than normal people...

Justin's avatar

That is possible. Although vetting with evil and psychotic criteria is still evil, and a serious problem that needs to be corrected by the normal people?

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

Nor their university faculty. This is where the insane go to teach your child more insanity!

Dave Slough's avatar

I believe Idaho just approved firing squads for all executions making a total of five

Five down 45 to go

SadieJay's avatar

I think a judge stopped that. Or some liberal appealed the law.

WTPuck's avatar

I'm very afraid that "Citizen Vigilante" may very soon need to be more than a movie. I'm praying it doesn't come to that.

Diane Weber's avatar

I often fear that we are being programmed and propagandized against each other, to hate each other, so that, when we really NEED each other, "we" are not there. The nice thing about the data (surveillance) centers is that everyone, everyone is against them -- hence, they bring together just about everyone under the sun to protest. People forget their differences when faced with one of these anti-human monstrosities. Same, mostly, with Flock cameras. Ironic: they are dissolving the hatreds they worked so hard to create!

Justin's avatar

The parasite and predator control freaks have documented that they use division as their main tactic of control, so that is well documented.

I expected everyone to come together against the clot shots being used for depopulation, and it may still happen soon.

I'm glad that everyone is coming together against the surveillance center scams, and spy cameras too.

Every time the control freak scammers try to push their control harder and farther, the more we wake up and push back.

Leo's avatar

Justin, Yes - "push back," work-around, avoid, out smart, out-vote...!

Leo's avatar

Diane, Ha! - Good point - "They are dissolving the hatreds they worked so hard to create!" Their "divide and conquer" technique is reaching its limits. We the people are remembering our points of agreement, and thus our strength.

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Don’t be afraid of exercising a God given right to defend ourselves from tyranny. When all other methods fail us, then we have this tool remaining. Its important that people take time to understand how to employ it effectively.

Steve L's avatar

Yes Dan, the party of severe mental illness never fails to amaze mešŸ¤”

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

You are not wrong, but I cannot yet go so far as to execute. These people should be studied and removed from their positions of authority! if we do not know how they arrived at their remedy for low sex hormones, and why the remedy was adopted by physicians and surgeons, we will not know how to stop the next mass fraud by the scientific brain trust!

TRM's avatar

Yep. All PHYSICAL diffs between male and female are controlled chromosomes and you are NEVER changing those so you can never physically change from male to female or vice versa regardless of age.

Paula Kroll's avatar

Chromophobia, fear of XX or XY.

TRM's avatar

Good one. I'm going to use it.

Bard Joseph's avatar

What's a chromosome?

Teresa Carstensen's avatar

A chromosome is part of the unique DNA instruction set for an individual. 23 from the female egg and 23 from a sperm unite to make the complete 46-chromosome human DNA. Within those 46 chromosomes are TWO that are the SEX pair, either XX or XY, and they are LITERALLY the make-up of EVERY SINGLE CELL in that person's body...either

MALE or FEMALE...EVERY single CELL. So chopping off body parts or implanting foreign matter does NOTHING to alter the true sex of any person; it is literally "in their DNA", which is in every cell, every organ, of their body.

Bard Joseph's avatar

Thank you.

I have become wary of scientific theory lately.

You nailed the theory well.

Is it identified with a microscope?

Teresa Carstensen's avatar

You could do an internet search for "Human DNA, and 46 chromosomes" and probably find a ton of info.

:)

Mitch's avatar

If they really want to teach them about transgender, show them the "after" photos from the surgical procedures.

Juju's avatar

Same as abortion. When you show them the procedures during and after, only someone evil would continue with one once aware. That’s why they hide it and viciously attack those that try to expose it.

Richard Whitney's avatar

But not for 4 to 10 year olds. They shouldn't be exposed to any of this nonsense.

Mrs. RW

Mitch's avatar

I agree completely. If they're not old enough to see those, they're not old enough to see the other side of the story.

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

I think none of it is acceptable. Its deeply wrong, else they would be forced to tell these poor children being groomed by these sick SOBs, that they forever give up their ability to procreate, to have children of their own. The most important reason they exist, gone forever.

Juju's avatar

But Muslims will continue to be able to procreate. How do you stop your enemy from outnumbering you? Convince them to change their gender or embrace abortions while you don’t.

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

No, you return them to the shithole they came from, you prosecute them and lock them up for their crimes instead of putting them back on the streets to rape and hurt more because "they don't understand", and when the other options fail you use the 2A option on the seditionist SOBs and their sharia bullshit. They are 100% incompatible and they are here with evil intent.

Juju's avatar

My question of how to stop your enemy was a question the Muslims ask themselves, and the answer they gave is gender ideology and abortion.

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Such a good point

Lori's avatar

BEST BOOM TODAY!!!!!

phlyme's avatar

Eric I agree 1000%

phlyme's avatar

Eric I agree 1000%

Ryan Gardner's avatar

It is so depressing to know i grew up during the zenith of America to only watch it crumble around my children.

Now they're just flat out abusing children...and proud of it.

Dear Lord how far we have fallen by what we have tolerated.

Free in Florida's avatar

Ryan, you can take heart that most of us aren’t tolerating it and are fighting back at the ballot box and the court of public opinion. Strong people like all of us must continue and ā€œFight. Fight. Fight.ā€ We will see where this goes but I’m betting we will win. Keep the faith, good man!

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Always. But it is a challenge when you have children in the house.

All i can do is speak the truth and teach my children to do the same.

Free in Florida's avatar

You are absolutely doing the right thing. Speaking the truth and thinking logically are two things I know you do and your children and everyone are better off for it. Thank you!

But do remember, I think there are more of us than of them. Keep fighting!

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Amen. They already know by how their mother and father behaved during the scamdemic

Damn the torpedoes's avatar

It’s amazing what a difference a good governor can make. I thank God every day for Ron DeSantis.

Free in Florida's avatar

Me too!!! šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡ø

Willing Spirit's avatar

Teach them to laugh at the idiots that think boys can be girls.

Margot Wooster's avatar

And to pray for them, because they have been deceived by the enemy, Satan.

Leo's avatar

Teach children wisdom and understanding - to feel sorry for them, that they have been deceived, that they are victims. And to help them wake up.

Willing Spirit's avatar

And give them knowledge of the dangers the world presents and the limitations of trying to help others who do not want help, who just want to dominate and harm. Who actually may be demon possessed.

DesertDweller's avatar

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12:

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The entire chapter of 2 Thessalonians 2 seems to be describing our present reality.

Alice in Wonderland's avatar

Yes. "Fight! Fight! Fight!" *AND* "Find the good, and praise it" ~ you are doing it!

Willing Spirit's avatar

Amazing! I was going to respond to Ryan with ā€˜Fight, fight, fight!’ But you did it alreadyšŸ’„

Free in Florida's avatar

Willing Spirit, you can always be counted on to be so positive too! Thank you! šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡ø

Johnny-O's avatar

Yes, from the alleged assassination attempt that Trump squashed an investigation into.

S.P.H.'s avatar

Love you optimism, Free. To fight at the ballot box you must first regain honesty at the ballot box.

Bard Joseph's avatar

Just a little polycrisis.

It seems to be working.

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

I dont know if you have elections in FL, if you have mass mail in and programmable machines, your elections are manipulated. I know that in the swing states and in the key counties of those states, like here in AZ and corrupt Maricopa and Pima counties, our elections are manipulated by both programmable machines and wholesale mail in ballot fraud. With those two the other 11 are powerless in Fed and state elections but fear not, they steal elections at county level and below too, taking any seats they want. People know it but they are either part of the theft or simply dont care enough to do anything other than bitch about it. I mean that sincerely, if people cared we'd have legitimate, verifiable elections.

Juju's avatar

And, as for, ā€œneither Walz, U. Minn., nor MyGender Dolls responded to requests for comment. Weird! It’s almost like they are experiencing shame.ā€ No, it’s not. This level of combined narcissism and arrogance is wholly incapable of ever feeling shame. Their silence is ALWAYS strategic. More like, ā€œwe don’t give a damn what you think, we are doing it our way no matter what, so you don’t deserve a reply.ā€

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Shame requires self-awareness. That's asking a lot from someone who's never once considered they might be wrong

IR's avatar

I think they know exactly what they are doing. Pure evil.

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Deeply evil. Implemented and calculated as another attack vector on American society, culture, and functioning healthy families.

Mitch's avatar

Satan seems less of a villain than these folks.

Fred Richmond's avatar

Shame is non-existent to these deeply depraved people. They don't get it at all.

Justin's avatar

That brings up the uncomfortable question of how were all of these narcissists and nut cases able to take control of governments and Universities?

It looks like a lack of vetting, background checking, and mental fitness screening for public office candidates?

The huge number of nut cases in public offices points to that as the cause?

rolandttg's avatar

Slowly, methodically. Saul Alkinsky. Cloward and Piven. There are their playbooks. Super C even did her thesis on Saul Alinsky. They simply stopped hiring conservatives in teaching positions, at all levels. 40 years max, and now all of the schools are essentially 100 % Bolsheviks

Free in Florida's avatar

If you want an excellent background on all of this, read David Horowitz’s ā€œRadical Son.ā€ It ties together everything from the Weather Underground and Black Panthers in the 60s and makes it easy to understand how much of this happened and why it’s happening now. It’s a continuum. (Hint - You can’t hate the press enough.)

But it’s more than that. Bill Ayers made the comment to Horowitz - ā€œGuilty as hell. Free as a bird. Is America a great country or what?!ā€ It’s one of the best books I have ever read and particularly today, it’s an important read. And one thing I learned from reading Andy Ngo’s blog is that the same lawyer group which advised and helped those two communist groups are Still helping BLM, Antifa and the Democrat Socialists. Surprise, surprise - they are backed by Cuba.

Alice in Wonderland's avatar

"The same lawyer group" ~ ? Does he name them?

Juju's avatar

Oh they background-checked alright, but their qualifications list is different than ours. Those few who got into top positions ensured they staffed with only people who thought like they did. The trick was getting the top one or two into position who could control the hiring process. They lied of course to get there, then did a bait and switch.

Justin's avatar

Thanks, that makes sense. So all or most of the upper top levels are the vermin that need to be removed.

Then it sounds like those top level vermin need real criminal background checking and investigation by non-pedo people. If there are any left there in Minnesota? It looks like maybe not?

Juju's avatar

Look at what the military under Biden was like. They moved into leadership positions radical transgender fanatics. It took replacing their leader, which was Trump, to change that. Biden wasn’t interested in background checks of the military leadership because his cabinet WANTED it to be like that, as well as our school systems. It took a common sense president to start the process of untangling all that. And it’s going to take a lonnnng time to complete such a surgery, beyond his term. We need to win 2028 so badly, but make sure the new president is NOT of the cloth Thune is cut from.

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

And they turned once reputable schools, like Harvard, into diploma mills for these lunatics, automatically giving cred to them they didn't earn. it was simply about getting them into high positions due to ideology.

Alice in Wonderland's avatar

Yes! No one qualifies who is not fully programmable; which is to say, deeply un-American.

Maggie Think of Me's avatar

My husband and I saat through 12:00 pm news on Newsmax today. They gave quite a bit of attention to that subject. They included the fact that this entire program (MyGender dolls) came from the medical school at the University of Minnesota. 🤮🤢🤮🤮

Alice in Wonderland's avatar

It's *WORSE* than science fiction!

Bgagnon's avatar

As always, Juju, you nailed it!

ROKM's avatar

Isn't that just it? 'Tolerance', we were told, was good. You don't have to like it or do it, just tolerate it. UH-HUH. Now it is, if you don't have complete buy in and make yourself an 'ALLY', you are all the names. We had a real world where, no, things weren't what we thought, but there was a structure to society. Now we have chaos.

Romans 1:28b - 32

God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Ryan Gardner's avatar

You know where that leads:

"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death."

Hana CL's avatar

God’s Word, perfectly describing what is going on in this world this minute. We must fervently pray AND take action everywhere possible. šŸ™šŸ™šŸ™

Dianna b's avatar

Amen, Amen. Roman's 1 leads with, those that suppress the truth. Not only do they suppress it, their making it up as they go. Pastor John MacArthur once said that he wondered what a depraved mind would look like. He no longer wondered anymore. I sure miss him.

Margot Wooster's avatar

Me too, Dianna. I miss MacArthur and RC Sproul, and many other great teachers and preachers who have gone Home, and so look forward to meeting them in heaven!

Maggie Think of Me's avatar

I include Charlie Kirk and Voddie Bauchman in that group. They are missed every single day.

Alice in Wonderland's avatar

In so many ways. One of my first coherent thoughts after the absolutely unacceptable shock of CJK's murder was when I was suddenly struck from a clear sky with the thought a couple of days later: "THIS IS ABOUT THE MIDTERMS." Can you imagine where we would be today if TPUSA and the legions Charlie would have had at his side were today what they would be were he not gone? Fairly unbearable to think about, but he would certainly not condone spending precious time, energy, effort, or attention in doing so ~ I know that.

Graphite's avatar

28 Since they did not want to know the Great Spirit, he turned them over to their worthless ways of thinking, to do things that should not be done.

29-30 Filled with these wrong ways, they followed their bad hearts and made evil their aim. Keeping all things for themselves and not sharing, they became filled with greed, hatred, and violence. This took them down a dark path of fighting and killing, of lies and telling bad stories about others. They became puffed up, disrespectful and arrogant, finders of new ways to do evil things, disobedient to parents, and they even began to hate the Great Spirit. 31 This turned them into foolish, ruthless treaty breakers, with hearts like stone!

32 Even though they know that Creator is right when he says these worthless ways deserve death and will lead others there, they continue to walk in these ways, and even worse, they give their approval to other people who also walk this path.

Romans 1:28-32 (First Nations Version)

Alice in Wonderland's avatar

The reminders of Creator Sets Free as much needed now as then ~

Alice in Wonderland's avatar

There's just no "Been there, done that" like biblical "Been there, done that" ...

Skenny's avatar

Once again, the government is doing something "legally" for which a common citizen would be arrested.

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Exactly.

That's the trick of it... legality isn't morality, it's just whoever writes the rules deciding they don't apply to themselves.

Jan's avatar
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We are visiting our daughter and family and our son and family in MN today. A precious new grand daughter arrived this am at 5:05. She is our twelveth grandchild. I feel your pain and angst. We and our children are clear that it is a spiritual battle and the battle is the Lord's. God will have a people. We enjoyed great Christ honoring worship in downtown Minneapolis yesterday. We are trusting God for this child and we will do everything in our power to protect all our grandchildren.

Margot Wooster's avatar

God bless you, Jan. Yes, the LORD will protect His people!

rolandttg's avatar

Leave it to Beaver this ain't

Bard Joseph's avatar

We were brainwashed differently.

19th century was hell too.

I have to now unlearn all of the BS from the Trotskyite oligarchs, especially pharma.

Teresa Carstensen's avatar

I feel the SAME way!!!

Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

I want to call out that we should not forget how these 4-10 year old gets the ideas in their heads too: the media. Internet, social media, etc. the combination of media along with some of these kids on prescription drugs is warping their minds - with adults, also the influence to condone it, we’re seeing a new human species being born.

Modern day MKUltra at its finest: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-reality-of-programming

Roger Beal's avatar

AWFL moms have a lot to do with it, too. AWFL, status-seeking moms.

Scott Kinghorn's avatar

Forgive me but what is AWFL moms??

Richard Whitney's avatar

Affluent White Female Liberal.

Mrs. RW

Proberta's avatar

Transgender/Gender Dysphoria cannot be politicized because Transgender affects EVERYONE'S children.

When the Evil ended the soldier breeding program in America in the '70s, they began introducing estrogenic foods like soy and corn, and synthetic hormones into the meat, poultry and plastics. And infants went from milk-based formula to soy.

This overload of estrogenic hormones disrupts the developing reproductive system, so children who grew up on them, as adults will have altered reproductive systems.

Reproductively altered male children grow up and mate with reproductively altered females and produce offspring that are so reproductively screwed up they don't even know what sex they are.

That's why we call Gender Dysphoria/Transgender the 'Happy Meal Syndrome'.

And that's why now when we need them, our soldier-age males don't know whether to pick up a gun or a bottle of nail polish.

And our older males wonder why they can't get it up.

Transgendered people are not evil. They have been hormonally manipulated.

Imagine going thru 2 puberties at once!

If you have been eating estrogenated foods or eating and drinking from plastics, or you have children, DETOX. Asap.

There is plenty of good information available on Fasting and Detoxing. Detox all those estrogens and chemical hormones out of the body and watch what happens!

Stay hydrated!

IR's avatar

I also believe there is a chemically induced or hormonal component to it to some degree but not in all cases. I heard most children, if left alone, outgrow this stage. The problem is certain adults won’t leave them alone. They keep feeding these ideas and greatly influence the minds of our children. We have work to do and have to have these conversations with our kids about everything, including eating healthy foods. This world we live in, I feel like I need to protect my kids from many things. It’s not safe for them out there without steady hand of a parent.

LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Eat homemade sauerkraut daily. And drink raw milk.

Leo's avatar

Proberta, Yes, especially soy and plastics.

MaryAnn's avatar

ā€œMind-body disconnectā€ cuts to the chase for me. It seems less loaded than ā€œdelusionalā€ and may keep the door open for continued discussion. šŸ™šŸ»

Herodotus II's avatar

Ah, discussion. Debate. Activities trans ideologues cannot BEAR. Makes them feel "unsafe ", "unheard", "unseen " -- and they immediately shut it down. For good reason..

A.'s avatar

Not even MKUltra. All you need for "brainwashing" is to understand Evolutionary Science and several points of Neuroscience.

shayne's avatar

Groomed by adults 🤬

RJ Rambler's avatar

Adults or something else...

william howard's avatar

perhaps those "adults" themselves should be required to transition to show the kids it's all really ok

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Carrie, there is no such thing as a transgender age 1-120. They dont naturally exist. At best, these people SUFFER from a medical condition known as gender dysphoria, it does not help them or their family to act as if its normal, it does not help society either. At worse its a cancer which must be removed, not enabled by grooming and all the other evil things these lunatics (including their warped parents who would permit it) do to destroy these children's lives.

Juju's avatar

Many also suffer from Autogynephilia and THAT’S the real danger here.

Richard Whitney's avatar

As they say, a transgender child is like a vegan cat- we all know who really made that decision.

Mrs. RW

Johnny-O's avatar

Then we have adults telling kids things like "If you have ever wondered what it is like to be the other sex (oops, I mean GENDER of course!) - then maybe you are that gender."

No, it's effing normal for a kid to wonder what it is like to be the other sex. That is a normal human behavior. It doesn't mean you are that other sex. Utterly insane.

cat's avatar

I'm waiting for the dog dolls to come out. I just know that "science" will allow me to change from a cat to a dog.

Bard Joseph's avatar

Sounds anti semantic.

Dave aka Geezermann's avatar

This "gender doll" thing is so warped. Another reason to abolish public education as it stands today, imo. Jeff properly used the phrase "excreted from the U. of MN". This also shows the depths higher education has fallen to, when this began as a class project, then somehow was commercialized.

And the Democrat Party is dying, let them die, good riddance.

Carrie's avatar

Whatever degree that professor/developer got in college… that program should be one of the first useless degrees eliminated from federal government funding

Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

Carrie -She is absolutely mentally ill. Perhaps even demon possessed I agree with you 100%

Lydia Lozano's avatar

And look at her. Why do they always look like that? Her "look" should be taken as a warning by any rational person. Imagine sending your child to university, only to be taught by that crazed pervert.

MnmMom's avatar

I think the parents who allowed their children to be part of the ā€œscienceā€ project need to be arrested and children removed. Universities pay people to be a part of these ā€œstudiesā€. So parents turned their children over for money. God help these poor kids.

Mitch's avatar

same exact look as the judge who sentenced Shilow Hendrix more harshly than the child rapist.

IR's avatar

I also notice that. There is a pattern. I wanted to comment it too, regarding the looks šŸ˜‚ but I didn’t want to sound offensive. You are absolutely right though. What in the world? šŸ˜‚

Matt L.'s avatar

It’s like these women are all aspiring to look like Randi Weingarten. I think that is probably my human brain and bias. But am I wrong?

Lydia Lozano's avatar

I don't mind sounding offensive when discussing people who are working to ruin children's lives. They all look like that.

Justin's avatar

That is one of the many reasons to eliminate the entire Department of Non-Education. It enables sickness like this, and wastes tax payer money.

Plus the feds should not be involved in education, since it's the States job.

Proberta's avatar
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"...the feds should not be involved in education"

If you're going to complain about America's educational system you need to place the blame on who actually controls America's educational system, Rockfeller. The Bloodlines. The 13 bloodlines of the Order Of The lluminati.

The Rockfeller family controls the educational system in America.

A study in the late 1800s showed that children who were deprived of right-brain activating subjects in their school curriculum, like music, art, philosophy, vocabulary, poetry, etc, were less capable of Critical Thinking (critical thinking- 'when you question an answer until you are satisfied').

By quietly removing right-brain activating subjects from our children's education, Rockfeller has produced a nation of non critical-thinking, non questioning labor.

"I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers." - John D. Rockfeller (R)

American children rank 29th in the World for intelligence. That was done deliberately.

Proberta's avatar

P.S. If you have school-age children, teach them to speak in rhyme.

Rhyming activates a smorgasbord of right-brain activity, which is what our children need.

Teach them to rhyme.

Not all the time.

Just when its fine. ;)

Justin's avatar

Yeah, those are the same vermin bloodlines that replaced homeopathic medicine and natural healing with allopathic poison treatment of symptoms with vaxes.

So they also controlled the medical industry too.

That "Flexner Report" was the evidence of that.

Johnny-O's avatar

Arts and music are very much suppressed in our country. Its all STEM.

Scott Kinghorn's avatar

I went to the institute's website and you should see the symbols they use. Located at the bottom of the website.

jewel's avatar

which institute, Scott?

Scott Kinghorn's avatar

Univ. of Minn Eli Coleman Institute for sexual and gender health. The place Jeff talks about.

Gym+Fritz's avatar

Over the period of a generation, we went from a place where something like these gender dolls would be dismissed as crazy / disgusting / perverted, to someplace where credentialed public servants would be able to foist these dolls on innocent children, with impunity, and without parental approval. How did our society get so sick? Russia, with all its problems, seems sane compared to Minnesota (nice?).

Jeffrey N. Gratton's avatar

RUSSIA is doing VERY well at maintaining family life, public order, and society's image of real men and real women.

IR's avatar

I always liked the saying that we can turn things around within a generation. It goes both ways. We can change bad things too.

Jeffrey N. Gratton's avatar

Indeed.

Time is what we believe it to be. For one man it takes a generation; for another several millennia.

I argue with myself. I try to convince myself ... to conceive - and believe in - the abrupt arrival of the most favorable possible circumstances and scenario for humanity.

And I start with myself and of course all the teachings point their arrows in my direction - and yours - Know my Self. Start with my Self:

Live the dream in its best possible version for the good of all concerned, here and now.

I argue to myself:

A new accelerated Time is upon me.

And because it's upon ME, it's reflected in what I see in the outer world as well.

At least from my standpoint.

In my tiny remote town in Mexico I do what I can to accelerate the thinking of my neighbors who are my friends, all of them. Often enough they feel clobbered by the new information. They don't necessarily show it and it's never my intention to be so inept.

But it's having some effect because Truth in all its forms is always in ALL of us.

Jeffrey N. Gratton's avatar

Technology and Technocracy overtook America and much of the world. We've created (devolved) a primitive, artificial world rendering us numb and indifferent to Nature, to Common Sense, and to Conscience

rolandttg's avatar

With the exception of the Bolshevik horror show, which was what happens when the Khazarians are unfettered, Russia has always been , and is again, an extremely religious country.

Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

They kicked God out of everthing!

Ryan Gardner's avatar

My life is entering a strange phase, where I have thousands of rounds of ammo, night vision, etc, but I forgot to pack my shampoo. Lolol...

Fabes55's avatar

Me: no night vision...yet!

DesertDweller's avatar

Oh Ryan, LMAO! I'm similar.

Riff Raffer's avatar

Yeah… at what point do we say ā€œthat’s it. Time to burn it all downā€? I’m beginning to think that these people cannot be salvaged.

JasonT's avatar

Nature abhors a vacuum; the replacement will be worse.

RunningLogic's avatar

Off topic, well only somewhat, because it’s another example of the government completely ignoring potential harm and not alerting citizens who might be affected… I hope none of those people or their families took the jabs, but somehow I think a lot of them likely did ā˜¹ļø

Saw this on Facebook today:

The girls pictured here playing joyfully in a New Mexico river had no idea they were caught in the radioactive fallout from the world's first atomic bomb test. On July 16, 1945, thirteen-year-old Barbara Kent (center) and her fellow dance camp students thought the white flakes drifting from the sky were snow -- an inexplicable summer miracle. "We were grabbing all of this white, which we thought was snow, and we were putting it all over our faces," Kent later recalled. "But the strange thing, instead of being cold like snow, it was hot. And we all thought, 'Well, the reason it's hot is because it's summer.'" It wasn't snow. It was fallout from the Manhattan Project's Trinity test, detonated just 40 miles away. Of the 12 girls at that camp, only two would live to see their 40th birthday.

That morning, the girls had been jolted awake at 5:30 AM when the explosion shook their cabin so violently that those in top bunks fell to the floor. Their dance instructor, Karma Deane, rushed them outside, thinking a water heater had exploded. Later that day, when the mysterious "hot snow" began falling, the excited girls changed into their swimsuits and spent the afternoon playing in the river, catching the flakes on their tongues and rubbing them on their faces. Government officials later told the community the explosion had been at a dump and assured everyone that everything was fine.

Kent wouldn't learn the truth for another ten years. "It was so wrong of the government not to evacuate everyone when they knew this was going to happen," she said. "They never told us so we played in the thing that killed us." Kent herself survived multiple cancers -- including endometrial cancer, skin cancers, and thyroid cancer requiring the removal of her thyroid -- before passing away in 2024. Her mother, who was staying nearby, died of a brain tumor.

The Trinity test was part of the top-secret Manhattan Project to develop the world's first atomic bomb during World War II. Nearly half a million people lived within a 150-mile radius of the test site -- some as close as 12 miles away. None were warned or evacuated. The radioactive fallout contaminated water, crops, and livestock across the region, with effects lasting decades. More than seventy years later, radiation at the site remains about ten times higher than normal background levels.

Tina Cordova, co-founder of the Tularosa Basin Downwinders Consortium, described the affected communities as having been "relegated to a sort of nothingness as if we don't count." The toll was staggering: one Tularosa woman compiled a list of 285 people she knew who died from cancer in the decades following the test -- all from a small town of a few thousand people just 45 miles from the blast site.

In 1990, Congress passed the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act (RECA) to provide $50,000 compensation to "downwinders" exposed to nuclear testing, but it only covered communities in parts of Arizona, Nevada, and Utah, not New Mexico. "This thing really caused so much suffering," Kent said, "and the government never wanted to acknowledge anything."

New Mexicans were finally included in July 2025 -- 35 years after RECA passed, and 80 years almost to the day after Trinity. The expansion offers $100,000 to people who lived, worked, or went to school in New Mexico for at least a year between September 1944 and November 1962 and developed one of 19 qualifying cancers. Roughly $56 million has reached 558 New Mexicans so far. Barbara Kent didn't live to see it -- she died the year before it passed. The deadline to file is December 31, 2027

Cordova's words cut to the heart of the matter: "America poisoned its own citizens, and it has been looking the other way. They can never say that they didn't know ahead of time that radiation was harmful, or that there was going to be fallout. They were depending on us to be unsophisticated, uneducated, and unable to stand up for ourselves. And anyone who hears this story and believes that people weren't harmed, or that it doesn't matter that they were harmed, is complicit if they chose to do nothing and look the other way. Our country has to be better than that."

Sunnydaze's avatar

Horrific. We’re going to hear the same thing from East Palestine in 20 years or so.

Has anybody involved with EPalestine been held accountable or fired or arrested?

And let me guess. Not one person in charge of that whole scenario -Manhattan Project- or the low hanging rotten fruit of it ever went to jail or was even fired? I bet they relocated with their full pension at some point while the victims lost everything financial and health šŸ˜’

So sick of government anything.

Lest anyone think I’m a doomsdayer who can’t admit all the good things Trump has done and IS prosecuting….I’ve been hopeful since Trump came on scene in 2016. Yea there are people being prosecuted. But the govt moves slower than molasses running downhill. It’s why so many of us are complaining about lack of accountability STILL. The example we have is JFK over 50 years ago - look how long that took - and with the release of info proving the whole thing was a cover up by our own govt -crickets. People have short attention spans. A generation of people horrified by what happened is almost gone.

The low hanging fruit is good. But if it doesn’t lead to high up people…then it’s just the same old same old patsy's who take the fall for those they took orders from. Not good enough.

kittynana's avatar

@Sunny- I live just outside of Niagara Falls (not born or raised here but husband was). Love Canal is STILL claiming victims.

Dr Linda's avatar

They drag their feet and hope people will simply die.

The a similar situation exists with solders exposed to Agent Orange is the US. The military was going to take care of their own. Yup, watch them die.

LMWC's avatar
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There is dispensation for Agent Orange, but it came years after. Now they consider everyone who stepped foot in Vietnam or was on a ship in the China Sea as having been exposed to AO. The hook is the parameters for what is allowed is so narrow, you literally have to have died from cancer early on or develop Parkinson’s in your 70’s to qualify. My husband was on several LZ’s as a gunnery chief of Howitzers dropped in. He was definitely exposed, but he can draw no compensation for the arthritic psoriasis he came home with as it’s not covered. If he had heart problems, diabetes, or some forms of cancer, those would be covered, but skin and autoimmune diseases are mostly left out. While I believe PTSD is very real in today’s vets, it has become a way to scam the VA at 100% disabilities. Ask Graham Platner.

Starsky's avatar

My uncle was exposed to Agent Orange and was given a settlement of $105,000. That’s how much a pancreas is worth to the US Army.

RunningLogic's avatar

šŸ˜žšŸ˜žšŸ˜ž

Dr Linda's avatar

Bot for those exposed in the US

Pat Wetzel's avatar

Great recap of a horrifying piece of American history. I believe someone did a short movie on the NM Downwinders. If I see it, I'll post it.

Pat Wetzel's avatar

And another powerful video from Lew Rockwell this morning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJYh44z4W3U&t=6s

Once you see this, you can't unsee it. Take the time (5 min)and watch to the end.

Juju's avatar
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I honestly never click ANY link without a summary of what it’s about. I’ve clicked enough in the past to learn that it’s a manipulative tactic to get people to watch something they might not have wanted to give their time to.

If you could provide a summary, that would be great. Otherwise please recognize your method isn’t reaching the people you want to reach.

Margot Wooster's avatar

It’s actually pretty good, I looked out of curiosity. I would describe it as a visual montage of all the insanity we’ve been through since the days of Eisenhower warning of the military industrial complex until now. JFK, Vietnam, 9-11, BHO/fake racism, climate scam, trans craziness, and of course covid, just to name a few!

Juju's avatar

Thank you. That’s all I was asking for before clicking it. Unlike you I cannot simply click because someone made me curious without explanation. Too many people do that these days and I’ve not liked where it led. I appreciate you taking the time and giving a summary, Margot.

Pat Wetzel's avatar

I thought so too. Emotionally powerful.

Juju's avatar

See how easy that was for Margot? With all the trolls and deceivers these days, many people appreciate an explanation of what they are about to watch before clicking a link. Be more like Margot.

Pat Wetzel's avatar

Feel free not to click. It's just a YouTube video (as you can see by the link). I share here with the intent of simply sharing, not selling (ah hem to some of you) or manipulating. The media does enough of that. Have a good one!

Juju's avatar
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And STILL you refuse to say what it is about. ā€œYoutubeā€ isn’t an explanation. Interesting …. Yet you took the time to type all those other words …. 🤣🤣🤣 How hard is it to state what you’re selling?

Skeptical Actuary's avatar

I agree. People have the right to post links and say it's very important without saying what it is, but I have the right to not follow it.

I think I'm far from the only person like that.

RunningLogic's avatar

Agree, I rarely click on any links if there is no indication of what it’s about (sometimes that information is contained inside the link itself, which is also fine).

jewel's avatar

title Mind Viruses: America's Irrational Obsessions

Politico Phil's avatar

Do you get the feeling that Government is not to be trusted? Especially your own Government?

Pat Wetzel's avatar

šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£šŸ˜¬

Justin's avatar

Yes, since a long time ago.

"In an all-hands meeting in May, Martin reportedly complained about leaks to the press. ā€œIt pisses me off when I see leaks out of this building,ā€ he told his staff." ā€œNo more of that sh—t.ā€

They can't even trust each other either.

SteelJ's avatar

Yep, the fear card always works. Iran is on the cusp of a nuke, and will use it on mainland USA as soon as they can. Public buys it, and here we are. Another catastrophe, that could surpass the damage of the COVID response.

Miss Teacup's avatar

And it's still happening. The stuff in our skies, in and on our crops, in the water - all things no one can actually avoid if you want to breathe and eat/drink. I am also inclined to include the insane global arms race pertaining to so-called AI which won't only make every part of everyone's lives totally transparent to the PTB, and unable to live without continual permissions granted, but the data centers will drain aquafers and make general electricity use unaffordable. And I've read that those stupid data centers aren't even necessary!! Other tech exists that can handle the computing power. So, it's just sheer bloody hatred of "the people". Which is us.

Politico Phil's avatar

And that's the truth of it. NONE of any of this is an accident or unforseen. They do not care about life and, in fact, they WANT us to die. Once you see it you can't unsee it. Yet most simply will not recognize that these are not unrelated events.

SteelJ's avatar

The fallout from the Iran war could lead to widespread famine and death. I don't know why more don't wonder if this is by design, part of the depopulation agenda.

Politico Phil's avatar

Ah... but that would mean they would actually have to 'think' and then take responsibility. Instead, they want to believe all has been fixed with the election - TAW. So instead, they line up behind the "Judas Goat (or Cow)" and march willingly into this future.

It doesn't take a genius to see that all these adverse "events" are part and parcel of a broader depopulation agenda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJEpTmmxi5A

They view us as a "herd" to be managed and culled. Unfortunately, we pretty much act like a herd as we are lead around by our nose. Even when Americans are engulfed in a world war redux and famine stalks the world, we still won't understand that all of this is "being done to us".

Politico Phil's avatar

Here is an example of a Judas Goat that is now out in the open....

Teflon Steve Bannon is Receiving Deep State Protection

https://www.stonecoldtruth.com/p/teflon-steve-bannon-is-receiving

SteelJ's avatar

Even on alternative media sources who see the Iran war as a disaster, they just point out how counterproductive and harmful the war is, and our leaders are stupid to be doing it. Seems like some would consider it's not counterproductive and stupid for them at all, if economic destruction and depopulation is the goal, which they've stated. Nobody I've seen anywhere has mentioned this possibility, which seems pretty obvious to me.

Politico Phil's avatar

Me too! What IS stupid is to believe this is all because our leaders "are stupid"! Hello? They're not stupid! They are getting the EXACT results the wars are designed for.

And here's the laughable part. It really doesn't take a genius to understand this. But I repeat myself.

Politico Phil's avatar

The Odyssey, Shiloh Hendrix & the Humiliating Destruction of Western Culture

https://maninamerica.substack.com/p/the-odyssey-shiloh-hendrix-and-the

JW's avatar

It's always " Collateral damage or Acceptable loss" just like the vax.

Richard Whitney's avatar

They didn't stop with that first test. They tested for years, until outraged citizens finally managed to get it stopped.

St. George, Utah, in the south of Utah, was affected. They had many sheep die first, and then they had kids dying of leukemia and other cancers.

Mrs. RW

Jamison's avatar

Horrifying! I just read a historical fiction book… The Women of Oak Ridge. A fascinating account of the ā€œsecret cityā€ in Tennessee, where work was done to enrich the uranium used for the bombs. If you like historical fiction, I highly recommend.

Pat Wetzel's avatar

Thx. I'll check that out!

IR's avatar

I also heard about Operation Sea- Spray in 1950 in San Francisco and a few other experiments. Again, it was done without people’s knowledge. What makes us think the Covid vaccine rollout wasn’t just another experiment?

Richard Whitney's avatar

I don't think that the GMO injectable rollout was anything BUT an experiment.

But they refuse to follow up, so it's a really lousy experiment if your focus in on health. They definitely are uninterested in the effects of the jab, so more likely the experiment was focused on how to get the public compliant with the demands of their rulers.

Mrs. RW

MaryAnn's avatar

I remember taking a walking tour of Santa Fe, NM. We were shown the door where men, recruited to work at Los Alamos, entered to be placed on buses in the back to drive them in secrecy to the site. The door was deliberately common with no signage. The USG knew what it was doing was lethal. 😔

Pat Wetzel's avatar

And Georgia O'Keefe (friends with Oppenheimer) had an atomic bomb shelter at her Abiquiu house. It was very rudimentary and wouldn't have saved her from a thing. But an interesting tidbit of history.

Pat Wetzel's avatar

Here's the movie: https://www.firstwebombednewmexico.com/filmtrailer The entire video may be on Amazon (?)

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

I just finished a novel set in that area around that time, so it stirred my interest and horror to read more about it.

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

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The end of all things is at hand; therefore, be of sound thinking and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer. Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.

— 1 Peter 4:7-8 LSB

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Politico Phil's avatar

When Peter is telling Jesus' generation that "the end of all things is at hand", that has really got to make one think? Does it not? Clearly, Peter's words harken back to Jesus' words to His disciples about the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in Matt 24 where Jesus concludes, "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place." Peter clearly understood that Jesus was talking about the generation that he was a part of.

MaryAnn's avatar

Greek Orthodoxy maintains we are in the End Times.

Politico Phil's avatar

Well, they are a part of "the West". Russian Orthodoxy on the other hand may be a different animal.

Greg Johnson's avatar

Luke 21:24 explicitly says that nation of Israel would be destroyed as Jesus foretold, but the church age would be temporary, and when the time of the Gentiles was fulfilled, Jesus would begin dealing with Israel again. Just because none of the parcels could see far enough in the future to understand how long the Church last, doesn’t mean that Jesus did not intend to fulfillments.

Politico Phil's avatar

Ah yes, the double fulfillment canard. It's funny that neither Jesus nor St. Paul mentioned this when discussing this very issue. As the Word of God made flesh, I would think Christ would have been quite explicit. Furthermore, if the Word of God can have more than one meaning, why couldn't there be triple meanings or even quadruple meanings?

Satan tried this "double meaning" to God's Word in the Garden ("has not God said...?) and Adam fell for it and failed to intervene to protect Eve from Satan's attack. Then Satan tried this again when he confronted the Second Adam in the Garden. But Jesus simply quoted God's Word back to him, defeating Satan and then Jesus saw Satan fall like lightening to earth as He reclaimed the authority that the First Adam had surrendered to Satan.

The exegetical gymnastics that dispensational writers go through to prove their 'system' is really quite remarkable and it is easy to see why the average lay person gets buffooned by them. But when the Word of God is approached just as the people did who were listening to Jesus' teaching, His Word is remarkably clear and straight forward.

Greg Johnson's avatar

Phil, you’re partially correct, but Jesus discussion about and times had to fulfillment of mine. Much like the two fulfillments of Isaiah 9 and the virgin birth, Hosea 11:1 talking about Israel’s exile in Jesusā€˜s trip to Egypt, Psalm 22 testifying of David’s anguish, and yet for telling of the Messiah’s anguish on the cross. And there’s others. Micah 5:2

Sue Rosenthal's avatar

The opposition to Trump thought Walz should be the backup to run this country. No matter how hard I try, I just cannot wrap my mind around that fact.

Johnny-O's avatar

I know, what amazing choices we get. That guy, or someone bought and paid for by the insanely evil big tech world.

Kenn Goodwin's avatar

We don't need no education

We don't need no thought control

No dark sarcasm in the classroom

Teacher, leave them kids alone.

Evil

Ryan Gardner's avatar

'Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day

-You fritter and waste the hours in an off-hand way

-Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town

-Waiting for someone or something to show you the way'

It wasn't just evil...no, a far darker and pervasive force:

Complacency

Kenn Goodwin's avatar

No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun. It’s time

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Like your style

Sue Rosenthal's avatar

I'd say it's equal parts of these three things... tolerance, complacency, and suicidal empathy.

https://jennamccarthy.substack.com/p/the-frog-the-scorpion-and-the-future?r=8r0cp&utm_medium=ios

Todd's avatar

Indeed. Known for quite some years.

JW's avatar

Yup. Another Brick in The Wall!

Bruce's avatar

The first sentence should have been; We don’t need no indoctrination.

Leo's avatar

Bruce, Or: Keep the original rhythm - omit the "no." As in: "We don't need indoctrination." (Education is worth keeping.)

Bruce's avatar

I was trying to stay with the original just a little bit. šŸ˜€

SweetMe's avatar

Right! And what about the science? Basic Genes, X Y, Skin color, hair texture. Are those options also allowed on this miracle teaching tool? It is purely for serial indoctrination. Arrest these school officials and Walz. So may reasons for him.

Kenn Goodwin's avatar

A felony grooming/abuse charge should be applied. Life in prison, no parole.

Deb Benedict's avatar

As a born and raised Minnesotan I didn’t think I could be any more appalled with the news coming out of my state but here we are….these new gender dolls are disgusting, WTF.

VelvetStitching's avatar

Amen, Deb! I'm a born and raised Minnesotan too - and I'm absolutely repulsed!

Lori's avatar

Degenerate and horrendous.

bob's avatar

I agree with you, Now when Klobuchar steals the election and continues to raise taxes and ignore the fraud we will be Amazed yet again at how far we have fallen. I fear we are close to getting up.

Deb Benedict's avatar

Why do you think they imported all the Somalis into MN? Conservatives will never win a statewide election again. Cautionary tale to other states

Greg Johnson's avatar

Ditto in California where imported 4 million Mexican and Central American illegals. Conservatives are out for a generation.

Lydia Lozano's avatar

And we should throw in Maine as a bonus gift to Canada.

Valerie's avatar

But where did Kamala’s $7.5 million mailing list come from? She was only a candidate for, what, 72 days? I assume it was Biden’s list? Or did he refuse to give it to her because of how ingloriously he was pulled from the election?

A couple of paragraphs in and I already have questions, lol.

Mayor's avatar

The flow of money to and from USAID dried up and DNC funding dried up. Coincidence?

Juju's avatar

I’m relieved that my tax dollars are no longer funding my opposition. I can’t believe they ever did, makes me furious

Valerie's avatar

And also… rap music dropped off the popular charts since USAID was defunded. I don’t see an obvious link there, but I’m open to data saying otherwise.

shayne's avatar

I thought this very thing, Mayor. The DNC appears to be all smoke and mirrors.

Beckadee's avatar

good point and reminder.

Dr Linda's avatar

I can’t believe anyone has the right to sell a voting list.

I started thinking about this when we were informed that china bought voting lists.

Valerie's avatar

Dr Linda, if there’s one thing I’ve learned it’s that everything is for sale. Everything.

Juju's avatar

Fantastic research once again by DataRepublican. I read it yesterday. I think every word she publishes anywhere should be read by all, no matter how much your eyes start to glaze over - shake it off and go back a few sentences and push through it. It’s so important we know what she uncovers.

Valerie's avatar

Data Republican is a super hero, along with Scott pressler.

MSK's avatar

Maybe she needed the money to pay her debts. But you’d think being on the same ā€œteamā€ they wouldn’t have to pay for such a list of voters.

W. A. Samuel's avatar

Buying & selling voting lists has been going on a long time in the U.S.. As an example, Morris Dees made his early fortune running a direct mail and direct marketing business in the early 1960’s. He proved to be very good at collecting names.

Dees then used some of that fortune to co-found the infamous Southern Poverty Law Center in 1971. You can be certain that the SPLC has been buying & selling voting lists for over 50 years……

W. A. Samuel's avatar

Doc,

You’re not likely naive. While young, I happened to live in the general Montgomery, AL area where Dees and his buddy Millard Fuller were running their direct marketing business. So I had a front-row seat on Dees and the development of the SPLC.

Dees soon bought-out Fuller’s portion of their marketing business. Fuller later founded Habitat for Humanity. It turns out that Jimmy Carter was close friends -when politically expedient- with both Dees and Fuller. A lot of interesting intersections…..

Dr Linda's avatar

I just am surprised. I had no idea. It never crossed my mind. I can be a little naive

nancy barker's avatar

Plus, who got the $ for the sale of that list?????

Valerie's avatar

Good point. The DNC bought it, but presumably the contacts were purchased with her campaign funds. I guess it would go back into her campaign coffers for all her future elections. (Snorts a little because I doubt she’ll make it past the primaries, but I could be surprised, who knows?)

CHop's avatar

It could be along the lines of a banana peel stapled to a wall being sold for millions as art. It's really just the art of moving money around.

Leo's avatar

CHop, That "art" can be seen as political commentary...a suggestion to nail down what has been slippery.

Richard Whitney's avatar

Kamala Harris raised a record breaking $1 billion in less than 4 months, but they tell us that she spent it all and ended up in debt.

Really? Americans are not clear on money, but a billion is a thousand millions. One million seconds is about 11.5 days. One billion seconds is about 31 years and 8 months.

And don't forget that John Podesta of Pizzagate fame was handed $370 BILLION to work on "climate change". What did he do with that money?

They do have a lot of 'splaining to do.

Mrs. RW

Susan Seas's avatar

How much is that per person?That list can only be in the thousands!!

MaryAnn's avatar

DNC Chair Martin, aka the RNC’s secret nuke. šŸ˜‚

Anne Emerson Hall's avatar

Data Republican published a very distressing deep dive into how all the information on voters is held by a business founded by two leftwing individuals. It is now controlled by a board that includes representatives from the CCP and Singapore.

Don Reed's avatar

07/27/26: As for the following, Ken Martin DNC, is figuratively DOA on 11/03/26... it looks like an instant replay of Mario Cuomo (vs George Pataki) going down to defeat on November 8th, 1994 (my prediction that this would happen came true).

RE Childers: "...16 million in the bank, $18 million owed, and a national party headquarters pledged as collateral — the New York Times spends its weekend cataloguing Democrat finances and its chairman’s temper; the formal HR complaint nobody wants to discuss..."

Julie's avatar

This stuff going on in Minnesota is sick beyond words

Todd's avatar

And people thought Fargo was farfetched...

Tom Servo's avatar

Keep in mind that Fargo is right across the border so they share the same air

VelvetStitching's avatar

I'm from the Fargo area.... It used to be.... Conservative, family friendly, quiet metro and rural all living together.... Beautiful place, albeit frigid! Yet it is being perverted just as Minneapolis has been! The Midwest Perversion Idolatry site.... 😭

Todd's avatar

I'm from the greater Calgary area. Mostly perverted now. Used to like Aerosmith's Sweet Taste of India. Not...not so much.

nancy barker's avatar

We should trade Minnesota for Alberta, who wants to secede from Canada.

Todd's avatar

Nothing would make true Albertans more proud.

LMWC's avatar

I believe that most people in MN are totally unaware of what the MN education association is pushing through. The state education associations are pretty much all the same and don’t get me started on the NEA. They are all leftist controlled.

The city board of woke Ann Arbor, MI has voted to pay a DC firm, $200,000 to explore paying reparations for the period of 1880 through 2020. You can’t make this stuff up!

Kathy Sullivan's avatar

We knew uncovering the USAID money fraud was going to eventually catch up with those DemocRATS!!!!

AM Schimberg's avatar

I was thinking this same thing. Plus the increased scrutiny, we can call it, on ActBlue!

Beckadee's avatar

I'm guessing too that the big donor players like Soros and Singham are now under a microscope thanks to our wonderful Treasury Secretary Bessent.

Kathy Sullivan's avatar

Everything they stand for and do is corrupt!

Evangeline's avatar

It is really hard to take the overt sexual grooming of innocent children. Designed to open the door to encourage children to stop thinking of male and female as God given binaries, its evil, absolute evil. God promised millstones and that it would have been better for the perverts to have never been born. Would i allow ir for my child? Never! Give up the car, the house, whatever, to avoid a corrupted child. Nothing is worth it.

But today people routinely "forget" that baby in a hot car so....many parents dont care that much.

God help children.

Lori's avatar

The Dem party is full of pedos.

Carrie's avatar

Katy Faust (Them Before Us) who Jeff mentioned in the article is really great on the topic of protecting and prioritizing child welfare over certain adult derangements.

Juju's avatar

That is EXACTLY what this is. Leaving your child in the public schools today is no different than leaving them in a hot car.

Lydia Lozano's avatar

A decent society would have isolated those people from children at any cost.

RJ Rambler's avatar

There have been many parents who have "forgotten" in a moment, been distracted by life with deadly horrifying accidental results. Not all accidents and distractions are the same age neither are all parents the same bad and some seemingly great parents are horrific. Judge not until you know all the evidence.

shayne's avatar

Well said E!

Susan Daniels's avatar

I predicted that the Democratic Party would implode in 2025. It looks like I was premature. It's coming.

Lori's avatar

I hope so.

Jpeach's avatar

There are too many crooks in the DNC Kitchen.

PamelaZelie's avatar

I pray that is so.

Michelle D's avatar

Haven't read the whole piece yet as I feel comelled to ask, if the RNC has a $0 debt, why can't that carry over into their governance????

Fabes55's avatar

It's something they all forget to do once they're elected.

KCrail's avatar

Silly rabbit! Pols don’t work at their jobs, they work for their donors. We the People are not represented, unless you can write the big checks. I’m not so sure this is a net positive. After all, the banksters are the ones that populate the Epstein files. Is that really who we want driving the ship?

Lori's avatar

they have no real governance.

Tom Servo's avatar

They have also started asking vendors to hold all bills until after the midterm elections, an advanced financial maneuver that CPAs refer to in technical terms as ā€œhiding from the repo man.ā€ Actually, we call it fraud.

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We need a Walz potato head that includes a removable brain piece that is attachable to his backside.

Actually, the DNC needs money. They should produce a line of DNC potato heads: Newsom, Harris, etc. Of course, all the parts would be interchangeable.

Tom Servo's avatar

Gives a whole new meaning to "show us on the doll where the bad man touched you"

Juju's avatar
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And don’t pull its string! A tampon might come out. Lol (sorry, coffee still kicking in and my teen boy humor hasn’t been properly tamed this morning yet …)

Barbara Lee's avatar

Just a small observation from my corner of rural America where I am surrounded on all sides by Amish farms. These families typically have on average of 9 healthy, well adjusted, rather clever children who grow up in extremely stable homes and who generally marry around age 21 to the first girl they get permission from the ministry to ask for her hand. And then go on to have 9 children of their own. Children are NEVER told anything about sex. It is forbidden to even mention pregnancy or discuss things as innocuous as due dates before those under 15 much less more details. I mean it when I say no one mentions the mother with the huge belly sticking out. School is not segregated by gender but after graduation at 13, boys and girls do not hang out together. They don’t date. They dress with modesty in mind. How they figure everything out is a mystery to me but publicly they are very discrete. Sex is simply not front and center of their life. And that’s why they are normal and we are not!

Here is a hilarious but true story. I drove a mom to an emergency room with the midwives when things went south during delivery. The eight children at home saw us leave. They also saw us return the next day with a baby. The youngest asked her mother ā€œWhere do babies come from.?ā€ The mom said, ā€œGod brings the babies.ā€ The little girl thought about that for a while and then told her mother ā€œNo, God doesn’t bring the babies. Barbara Lee brings the babies.ā€ Her mother laughed when she told me this story. Nobody will bother to correct her until she is grown up and by then she will have figured it out for herself. That’s how you prevent gender and identity confusion!

Proberta's avatar

A reporter asked an Amish man why the Amish are so healthy and don't get vaxxinated. The Amish man replied "We Amish are healthy and don't get vaxxinated because we don't have television".

MaryAnn's avatar

And they get an 8th grade education then become more immersed in learning a trade. Amish craftmanship and attention to detail—no matter what they do—is excellent.

Jeffrey N. Gratton's avatar

They "figure everything out" because God has embedded ALL important knowledge deep within all His children. If we live and grow under normal, sane conditions all necessary life information is naturally revealed.

Juju's avatar
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Also, these discussions happen in the privacy of their homes, parent to their own child. They don’t need to be discussed out in the open. Proper etiquette is modeled and imitated.

A.'s avatar

Pushing gender/identity confusion is a relatively new Psy-Op. Until about a dozen years ago, it was not confused for the average person in average populations. They did not require an Amish upbringing to grow-up and live normally.

I think you want to attribute every good thing to the Amish, and assume that the rest of us are moral reprobates and always have been.

That is not so, Barbara. Western society itself has produced many good people without the intervention of extreme religious fundamentalism. Nor are we all WOKE-folk.

Johnny-O's avatar

I don't think the Amish are a model for sex ed either, just sayin.

I also lived by large amish communities as well in NE IA/SW MN, and due to incestual problems, they had to go outside the community to get pregnant, and the stories of that were less than desirable.

Barbara Lee's avatar

Every religion has its member anomalies. But that is NOT the norm and is met with removals d shunning. I’ve live near and have observed my community for 40 years. This is the most morally upright community of people I have ever known. I never felt safer than here. If you want to live like the Canaanites did, with the most perverted conduct possible, go ahead. I’ve seen how strict focus on God and family and suppression of the desires of the crotch can make for a normal healthy society.

JasonT's avatar

Good answer. Anyone accusing the Amish of incest had better have receipts. Incest and closed community are very different things. The Amish deliberately seek mates in sister communities because they understand genetics.

A.'s avatar

The Amish have a high incidence of genetic problems due to overly-close mating. Though not necessarily incest.

Michelle Flanigan's avatar

It is not ā€œover matingā€. That is insulting. It is the founders effect. Cults may be your speciality. Generics is one of mine.

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I said it was "overly-close" mating, not over-mating (did you misread it and then fly off the handle?) -- meaning the husband /wife relationships are too close genetically -- they both have a high risk of carrying any of the mutations from the original Anabaptists. Put both carriers together, and any children of the union could be in genetic trouble with getting a double-whammy of a specific problem gene.

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It is due to the small numbers of original Amish and the fact that the same gene pool continues to circulate without new blood/DNA. Along with any new mutations You can go only so far on that before the odds become stacked against you. They also have large families, meaning higher risk.

And how does human reproduction occur, so that DNA becomes an issue? Through mating, of course. You want me to call it sex? In Amish communities, there are few choices of mates with enough differentiation in the genetic lines.

I don't know why you would find that insulting, Michelle. They do not use IVF and outside eggs/sperm. So mating, it is. You know of another way?

Johnny-O's avatar

This is a problem in SW MN where their communities are more isolated and smaller. It isn't made up. Good god

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I have read of sexual abuse problems in Amish communities. These tend to show-up a great deal in all overly religious communities because they try to cut-off acknowledgement of one side of human life, and it comes back to bite them

Carl Jung called it the issue of the SHADOW.

That being said, neither is grooming children with sexual material correct, as is happening in today's schools.

There does exist a happy medium, a balanced point here to aim for between the extremes.

JasonT's avatar

Any community will have corrupted members. The Amish are no different in that regard. Jung provides no useful insight, regardless his credentials.

JasonT's avatar

Did you read my comment?

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Barbara, people who are not Amish as not all perverted. That is a warped belief, Most of us are decent.

Stop with the binary approach of either everyone being perfectly good in your terminology, or otherwise falling into the camp of being perfectly bad. That is a developmental problem known as SPLITTING -- where you cannot see the middle-ground or ambivalence in life. It is what causes both the WOKE-folk and the far-rightwing to be so bizarre.

Michelle Flanigan's avatar

There are positive things about the Amish worth acknowledging, even with the valid criticisms on the table:

They actually live their values. The Amish don't preach simplicity while hoarding wealth. They don't talk about community while isolating in suburbs. They don't claim to reject materialism while upgrading their iPhone every year. Whatever you think of their beliefs, the consistency between what they say and how they live is rare.

Zero government dependence. No Social Security (they're exempt), no Medicare, no welfare, no food stamps. They take care of their own elderly, their own sick, their own poor. When a barn burns down, the entire community shows up the next morning and rebuilds it , no FEMA, no insurance adjuster, no GoFundMe. That level of mutual aid is almost extinct in modern America.

Mental health outcomes. Despite the shunning issue, Amish communities have significantly lower rates of suicide (outside of shunning cases), depression, and anxiety compared to the general population. Their suicide rate overall is well below the national average. The social embeddedness (everyone has a role, everyone is needed ) is protective in ways modern mental health professionals are just starting to understand.

They build things that last. Amish furniture, construction, and craftsmanship are genuinely superior. Not in a "rustic charm" way, in a "this table will outlast your grandchildren" way. They didn't forget how to do things the hard way, and that skillset is increasingly valuable as mass-produced garbage floods the market.

No school shootings. No opioid crisis. No homeless encampments. Their communities have problems, but not the ones destroying modern America. Kids aren't on SSRIs at eight years old. Teenagers aren't scrolling TikTok for six hours a day. Nobody's dying of fentanyl behind the barn.

Environmental footprint. Small-scale organic farming, local consumption, minimal waste, horse-drawn transport. They've been living the "sustainable" lifestyle environmentalists preach about for 300 years, without the condescension or the private jets to climate conferences.

They don't bother anyone. The Amish don't protest. They don't sue. They don't demand laws requiring you to live like them. They just want to be left alone. In an era where every lifestyle minority demands validation and accommodation, there's something respectable about a group whose entire political platform is "please ignore us."

They survived. Most intentional communities collapse within a generation. The Amish have maintained their way of life for over 300 years through industrialization, world wars, the internet, and everything else modernity threw at them. That's not nothing.

You can critique the control, the shunning, the limitations but still recognize there are things about their model that work better than ours.

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In small numbers, and with limited opportunities. They do not turn out doctors, engineers or many of the other people we rely on. And they rely on too, in many ways, The Amish use the infrastructures such as roadways that non-Amish built. The military protect the Amish even if they are not involved in it.

They now use cellphones and hi-tech in business. It is not quite as pure as the myth goes.

I do not use a cellphone or TV, so I am I a better model?

Johnny-O's avatar

It is amazing how people on this stack like to out words in my mouth. I never said it was devious. But, regardless of whether or not their population numbers are low, incest is incest.

Michelle Flanigan's avatar

Unfortunately, incest is rampant . It's rapid uptick fueled by pornography, the "step mom," "step daughter," "step sister" categories are literally mainstream now, top-shelf content on the biggest platforms. That's not a niche corner of the internet. That's what millions of people/ kids are consuming everyday.

And incest has always been a generational curse. It passes down, the victim becomes the abuser, generation after generation. The amount of pain and trauma in this world is unfathomable.

Johnny-O's avatar

I said I wanted to live a perverted life? Wow! Where did I say that lunatic?

Barbara Lee's avatar

You took a comment with a story that illustrates a way to bring up well adjusted and morally upright children and slurred the entire population. Shame on you!

A.'s avatar

Hold the self-righteousness, Barbara.

A.'s avatar

The Amish tend not to develop as individuals. Only as group members. This is not necessarily something to strive for. A blend of individualism and community is the way to go. Which has been accomplished in many populations outside of the Amish.

Johnny-O's avatar

I slurred an entire population? I spoke of one isolated example. You're a lunatic.

A.'s avatar

If you are Amish, as this seems to suggest, why are you using social media?

Barbara Lee's avatar

Hold your conspiracy theories … nothing suggests anything about my own personal beliefs

A.'s avatar

Well then, you failed to write your posts clearly enough. Stop with your Conspiracy Theory nonsense, when it is your writing skills that are at fault.

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Well, actually....living either extreme is damaging. Too far leftwing or too far rightwing.

The ideal is to live in the centre of the psychological spectrum, between earthly pleasures/propensities/drives and religious morals. It is called homeostasis. The Golden Mean.

There are problems within Amish communities too. What you call "shunning" is done not just to criminal elements, but to normal individuals who question or dissent from the groupthink narrative; in that sense, shunning is very terrible thing to do to others -- especially from a community claiming to be so holy. This is typical cult behaviour. Which is one reason the Amish are being looked at as possible cults. Much like the shunning Jehovah's Witnesses (who also delight in the thought of an Apocalypse that would kill 99% of their fellow man -- what a terrible thought to hold).

Michelle Flanigan's avatar

The genetic bottleneck issue in small populations isn't caused by incest, it's basic population genetics. Any isolated group with a limited founder population will see recessive disorders concentrate over generations. That's why the Amish actively swap eligible partners between settlements in different states. Same reason Ashkenazi Jews screen for Tay-Sachs and Amish communities track dwarfism pedigrees. It's not deviance.

On sexual abuse — it exists in Amish communities, and it's underreported because of insularity, same as it is in any tight-knit group with its own internal justice system. See: the Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist Convention, Hollywood, public schools….

The data on where child abuse actually concentrates is brutal and nobody wants to talk about it: kids living with an unrelated adult male are 8-10x more likely to be abused than kids with both biological parents. For fatal abuse, it's roughly 50x higher. Mom's boyfriend is the single biggest risk factor , not priests, not Amish bishops, not strangers. The Cinderella effect is one of the most replicated findings in child abuse.

A.'s avatar

There have been questions about how and if the Amish communities differ from cults.

Michelle Flanigan's avatar

No. The Amish don't meet the criteria for a cult.

What makes something a cult:

A charismatic leader with unchecked authority

Isolation enforced by punishment (shunning is real, but leaving is physically possible)

Exploitation — financial, sexual, or labor — by leadership

No exit option without severe retaliation

Belief system that shifts at the leader's whim

The Amish don't fit:

No single leader. Each church district is autonomous, led by local bishops and ministers chosen by lot. There's no Amish pope.

They don't recruit. You're born into it or you're not. Cults expand; the Amish just sustain.

Rumspringa is the literal opposite of cult behavior. Teenagers are encouraged to go experience the outside world and then choose whether to commit. About 85-90% come back. That's not mind control — that's a community people actually want to belong to.

Leaving is hard socially but physically unrestricted. You walk away, you're out. No compounds, no armed guards, no re-education camps.

Finances are family-based, not funneled to a leader. No private jets, no celebrity pastors.

What they actually are: an ethnoreligious group — a high-demand, traditionalist Christian community with strict boundaries. You can argue those boundaries are too controlling, that the shunning is cruel, that the lifestyle is stifling. Fair criticisms. But none of that makes it a cult.

Words mean things. Not every insular religious group is a cult just because they dress weird and reject modernity.

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Thank you for that, Michelle, but I am quite good at defining cults. Part of my field of study. I do not think that every insular religious group is a cult.

You need not have a specific leader for a cult. The Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons have bodies of leaders rather than a single one. The Plymouth Brethren have appointed a few top bananas over the years, but they still have a sub-hierarchy of lesser types.

An authority can also come from a book or a code. The Amish follow an unwritten code of behavior called the Ordnung, which can become pretty rule-bound depending on the specific community. I had read of skirmishes concerning colour of men's suspenders. It becomes very restrictive and righteous, each trying to out-do one another in their "holiness".

Not all cults recruit. Some depend on births within.

Those teenagers in Rumspringa --- what if they decided not to come back? What chance do they have in the external world without family support and education? In a way it is set-up so that the Amish tell you are free to leave, but you are so unprepared and alone and young, to make that choice would be massively difficult. So it is a false choice. But they can always say they did allow their young to choose.....

No exploitation? Well, try rocking the boat in an Amish community by asking for a better job or higher wages. Group pressure alone would keep you in your place. Are salaries paid to individuals?

And SHUNNING. You do not understand how severe shunning is to a person, especially from their family, who are their Attachment figures, and the only community and support system they have known. It is severely traumatic. Whether it comes from a community cult or a religious cult or a family under a Cluster-B disordered parent. It fragments the sense of SELF. It may push a vulnerable person over the edge to suicide. But I have seen these so-called godly religious groups use it without a thought, on their own. That is not Christian or godly behaviour, it is a severe attack on others. And the Amish do indeed shun. Just as the Jehovah's Witnesses and various other extremist religious groups do. Though most of them use the excuse that they are "saving souls", which I find a despicable way to wiggle-out of this destructive tactic of theirs.

A cult is basically a controlling leader or code, usually under a leader or group of leaders with Cluster-B Personality Disorders, who look for power and control over others. They isolate them in various ways. The herd bonds (and fawns) to the abuser. Physically they may be free to leave (or may not), but psychologically and financially or education-wise, they have very few options. Their sense of SELF and personal development has been kept minimal so that they haven't the confidence to try.

Michelle Flanigan's avatar

You clearly know the literature, so let me engage this on the merits rather than quibble over definitions.

On leadership structure, fair. A distributed authority body can function like a single leader. The Ordnung as an impersonal authority is an interesting angle. But I'd argue there's still a meaningful difference between a living leader who can shift doctrine on a whim (David Koresh, L. Ron Hubbard, Jim Jones) and an inherited, stable code that changes glacially over generations. The Ordnung is oppressive in its granularity — the suspender color nonsense is real, but it's not arbitrary. That stability is what makes it a traditionalist community rather than a personality-driven control system.

On Rumspringa as a false choice … this is your strongest point and I'll concede it partially. Yes, an Amish teenager has no diploma, no money, no social network outside, and no preparation for modern life. The deck is stacked. But "false choice" implies they're being deceived about the terms, and they're not. They spend weeks or months actually living in the outside world during Rumspringa, partying, using technology, and dating non-Amish. They see both options. Roughly 10-15% still leave. That's a real minority making a real choice against stacked odds.

Compare to Scientology's Sea Org where leaving means physical harassment, private investigators, and legal threats. Compare to NXIVM where leaving meant blackmail with branded collateral. The Amish just let you go. The trauma is social, not a coordinated retaliation campaign.

On shunning , you're right that I understated it. Shunning is psychological brutality. Having every attachment figure in your life pretend you don't exist is devastating. I've seen the suicide risk data. The Jehovah's Witnesses' version destroys families the same way. It's not "saving souls" — it's coercive control through attachment. No argument from me there.

But here's where I'd push back: shunning makes the Amish cruel in their practices, not necessarily a cult. Many traditional societies use ostracism as social enforcement without meeting the other criteria for a high-control group. The Amish aren't extracting your labor for a leader's enrichment. They aren't expanding. They aren't concealing their beliefs until after you're trapped. They're a closed ethnic community with brutal internal enforcement — but the brutality is horizontal (community-to-member) rather than vertical (leader-to-member exploitation).

On exploitation, Amish businesses pay wages. Individuals own property. There's economic hierarchy but no central extraction. The bishop isn't getting rich. That's qualitatively different from Scientology's billion-dollar real estate portfolio or the Moonies' business empire.

I think we may just draw the boundary differently. You define cult by control dynamics. I define it by control dynamics plus exploitation plus novelty plus expansionism. Under your definition, the Amish qualify. Under mine, they're a high-control ethnoreligious group with abusive social practices (which is its own category of bad.)

Either way, the shunning is indefensible and the psychological damage is real. On that we agree completely.

A.'s avatar

Michelle, perhaps you and I have similar backgrounds. I enjoy debating and discussing this with you.

I do not study cults alone, but what you might call totalitarianism in all its many forms. Whether as cults or political authoritarianism under a psychopathic leader, or the smaller versions of those situations -- Stockholm Syndrome of many types, domestic abuse through coercive control and a Cluster-B aggressor, or Parental Alienation through a Cluster-B parent gone haywire who uses the children as tools of projective vengeance against his/her new pretend enemy, the other parent.

One of the keys here is that one or more Cluster-B personalities are involved in the control, and in the shunning/smearing/punishment when their wishes are thwarted.

Do we know anything about Cluster-B disorders in the Amish? These are defensive Attachment disorders and are transgenerational. Once they develop in a closed community, they are likely to keep going. And would the outside world have ways of knowing about this, other than perhaps some contact by some Amish in business matters? Otherwise, we are unlikely to know what goes on behind their closed doors. The Cluster-B/victim world is secretive. So are closed communities of most types, for whatever reasons. I have heard of Amish issues which suggest this, and from there you have to add circumstantial evidence in order to come to a hypothesis, because they are not going to appear in a therapy session to tell you they are disordered.

As for the Rumspringa -- a few weeks or months is not going to adequately inform a young naive teen who was raised in a sheltered community what their choices are in the big outside world. They would have time only to be astonished...not to adjust and put together support and a game plan. Children raised in the modern world could hardly do that by 15 or 16. I do think they are being deceived, but in such a way that they do not realize they are being controlled. Reminds me of the Communist tactic of offering a few supposed kindnesses for every round of beating a prisoner goes through; this enforces the mind-scramble.

I sense that the brutal internal enforcement is meted out by the herd on the wishes of internal authority. The herd knows how to people-please the higher-ups. And there are indeed higher-up types there. You find the controllers in every human population.

Yes, the shunning is viciously cruel, and to me is a telltale sign. It is the classic Narcissistic discard used as their infantile defence mechanism. The Cluster-B type splits the world into all good or all bad, with no ambivalence or mid-zone, like a small child in early developmental stages. Put that together with minimally developed empathy, and you get shunning. For self-proclaimed Christians, I find it quite odd. Similar to the medieval Inquisitors who tortured you to save your soul.

The Ordnung as an inherited stable code? One or more persons cobbled it together in the 16th century Anabaptist Movement. Who knows from what inspiration other than personal beliefs. It was never carved in stone, and may undergo changes depending on the strength of authorities within given communities. Like Fauci and his COVID dictates, it may be down to personal whims. I daresay the women and children could not say no to this.

I agree that Rev. Moon was out to get rich. As a human trafficker and "fundraiser". Same with Hubbard. Although some of the herd-controllers find that power alone is sufficient.

Expansion? Not necessarily. Parental Alienation is a cult within a nuclear family, which might move to triangulate extended family members, and possibly some professionals, but the number of children involved will be static due to the limited number in the family to begin with.

What we come down to is that cult activity for the controller, and for the herd/victims, is a bid for the internal sense of safety which is meant to be coursing through the human nervous system after successful early childhood Attachment. When this Attachment fails, we have many and varied manifestations of safety-seeking. Cults of all sorts are one such manifestation. Though the followers are duped because the cult disallows independent individual development and dwells instead on the herd members having to fawn towards and please a controller.

A.'s avatar

Michelle, as my profile says, I have expertise in Depth Psychology. Including the world of cults.

Johnny-O's avatar

But if you ever need some great farm raised goods, or hand crafted cabinetry....yes, hit 'em up!

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I agree that the Amish certainly have their practical talents. Just as many non-Amish do. Although I am talking about the emotional/control structures of their communities.

Same questions could be asked of the original Gaskin's Farm in Tennessee. They offered good midwifery, apparently, but within cultic parameters.