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Sunnydaze's avatar

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve loved living in a state with Gov DeSantis! I still wouldn’t go back to the liberal blue hell hole we left 6 years ago no matter what.

But.

I’m severely disappointed in the property tax issue. Yes, we are happy to even get the crumbs we are getting if this passes with the voters. Keep in mind…even Florida has ignorant and stupid voters who have zero clue about reality. So we’ll see what happens.

At the rate our assessed property value skyrocketed…the homestead exemption won’t scratch the surface of what we are being forced to pay in prop taxes. It is theft. Pure and simple. We are all being forced to pay unrealized capital gains and we’ve allowed it for far too long. The fact that Florida did what it did with OUR TAX DOLLARS as described by Jeff is shameful.

Is it a step in the right direction? A little. But not even close to what we should be getting in every single state of America. PROPERTY TAX IS THEFT!

John Galt?'s avatar

It really is theft. And few get your point about taxing unrealized gains. The government gets to tell us what our largest asset is worth, how much it has appreciated in value, and then tax us on the results of *their* math. This economic manipulation is what Gen-Z should hate, not so-called "oligarchs" who dream big dreams, do great things, and make a lot of money doing it.

Sunnydaze's avatar

And it was glaringly obvious when the housing market tanked back on 2008. We went underwater with our home in the blue state. Would have lost money if we sold it. But not one time did our property tax bill get lowered to reflect the lower assessed value!!!! Explain that!!! They steal money we don’t even have on money that isn’t even there! That should’ve woke people up…but it didn’t. 😞 We’re still ignorant. It’s why coofid was so successful against us. We only have ourselves to blame.

It’s for the children…and gullible people swallow it hook, line and sinker.

How will we ever pay for fire and police and schools. Waaa waaa waaa. How about spend the money responsibly in the first place! I go insane with the financial stupidity that people excuse. You wanna be financially stupid? Do it with YOUR OWN MONEY -not mine!

I’m sorry. I can’t seem to stop myself. 😂

Gail W's avatar

Sunny, we are also in FL, political refugees from the hellhole of the DMV area. We are in THE MOST R+ congressional district in FL (CD-01) and even in this red area there are wayyyyy too many RINOs that are in elected office at the state level!!!

I would submit that it is not DeSantis's fault that this is as good as he / we could get. It's the fault of the scummy RINO STATE REPRESENTATIVES. I'd urge you to jump in to your county GOP party and learn who the RINOs are at the county AND state levels and work your ass off to ELECT MAGA people.

It's only a REPUBLIC, IF WE CAN KEEP IT.👍👍

Richard schoenenberger's avatar

You are not alone…

Thank you for expressing what many of us are feeling.

Steve Stevens's avatar

Couldn’t you have filed to have it reassessed back in 2008?

Tim R's avatar

It’s even worse than that. They also increase the tax rate! So higher valuation and higher percentage taken. The results? Roads are worse. Schools are mid (many of my neighbors choose private school). Police, who I consider pretty good in my area in FL, don’t seem to be getting that windfall of cash -they are stretched thin. My county budget has increased at 3x the rate of population growth. Still not at insane levels of New Jersey, New York, etc. but heading that way.

David Nelson's avatar

The Two Parts of Valuation is the shell game. Go in and complain about the valuation, and they point you to the EXTREMELY REASONABLE mil rate: "We're only taking a very few dollars for EVERY THOUSAND OF YOUR HOME'S (ARTIFICIALLY DECLARED) VALUE. If you want to complain, we could re-assess, but you understand there's a 50-50 chance your valuation COULD GO UP!" Threat.

Go in and complain about the mil rate: "Yes, I suppose it could be lower, BUT look at how LOW your house has been assessed, compared to what houses have been selling for in your neighborhood! If you want to complain, we could re-assess, but..."

It's DESIGNED to blunt all appeals. The TRUTH is, the mil rate and assessments are RIGGED to raise the money they already know they want. Fairness has nothing to do with it. The tiger is hungry. The tiger makes the rules. The tiger bites.

David Nelson's avatar

THERE IS A FIX: Pass legislation REQUIRING assessing agencies to PURCHASE PROPERTY, on demand, at the assessed price, anytime within 30 days of the assessment--which naturally needs to be "at market value."

Nothing like "overbought inventory" to wake up assessors to the reality of "markets" and the subsequent losses taken as the cash-strapped assessors liquidate their holdings, at market price, will self-correct their future enthusiasms for over-valuation.

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Expecting taxes to go down is like expecting the DMV line to move faster because you made eye contact with the clerk.

The most important thing a person can do is inform your children of how taxes work and that they should NEVER vote for a single tax in their lives.

Especially ones where they manipulate the strong emotion of "protecting/benefting" children.

Also there is no such thing as a temporary tax.

Dawn Ceylong's avatar

Voters aren’t going to go for it 😡municipalities and counties are campaigning hard against it 😡😡with lies- they know their cushy grifting coffers will be drained. Unfortunately avg voters too stupid to seek independence or freedom- they love being owned by government

David Clark's avatar

When a critical mass of voters are uneducated, don’t pay any taxes and are dependent on government handouts they will always vote for the socialists, especially when they hand over their unfilled mail in ballot to them.

PamelaZelie's avatar

They don’t have to be uneducated. The educated choose grift.

Susan Seas's avatar

In my opinion, the problem is too many people who don’t own a home want people who own a home to pay more so they will not vote to reduce property taxes because they are too stupid to realize that that those property taxes are reflected in their rent.

Mary H.'s avatar

Property taxes are blatantly unconstitutional . There are no other assets that are taxed on unrealized gains.

Mayor's avatar

There will be other assets taxed if Dems continue to win elections. People like Rep. Ro Khanna are now advocating for tax on assets of $50 million or more. Some are advocating for a national wealth tax. They want stop here, but will keep lowering the threshold until anyone who owns anything pays annual tax on it. It’s one way to destroy private ownership.

Paula Kroll's avatar

We left the Panhandle of FL 7 years ago. For 14 years our property taxes were an outrage. You are correct about taxing unrealized gains. Our first assessment was during the "bubble" years before 2008. It never went down to reflect our loss of value. The millage rate continued to rise. County government continued to expand yet delivered no services. I understand that nothing has changed there.

Most property owners are vacation homes or investors. They don't even get to claim the homestead exemption.

Lisa Runquist's avatar

Ditto. We left California as we saw no way to retire there. The property taxes had quadrupled over a 10 year period and showed no sign of abating.

Valerie's avatar

Our property taxes now, in retirement, far outstrip what our mortgage payments were - and here it is mandated that it go up 3% a year, in addition to all the measures that are passed which increase taxes.

Juju's avatar
35mEdited

Same for us in Illinois. Our monthly property tax is way higher than our principal/interest. We will never be able to afford living here on my husband’s pension when he retires. We never thought 30 years ago when we bought our first home at that time that we would have to carry a mortgage in retirement. We were building equity but housing prices kept rising so steeply all it did was keep us in mortgages no matter that we also make extra payments every month and two extra payments every year to knock it down. Now when he retires in a few years, the equity we gained may be a nice down payment on a retirement house, but they are so expensive now we will have to have another mortgage. 🫤 I had dreamed of paying cash for the next house and being mortgage free. I don’t know where to go to get that.

Mike Ware's avatar

It all boils down to the fact that we don’t “own” ANYTHING. We’re just tax slaves, pure and simple. Stop paying the property taxes and you’ll find out real quick who owns what. You are a tenant of the government.

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Mike, you just summarized the entire problem in one small paragraph.

Kudos!

Free in Florida's avatar

Paula, we live in the Panhandle, in Gulf Breeze which is across the bay from Pensacola, and most homes are nowhere near being rentals. Not sure where you’re talking about?? The beach is heavily rental but even there there are many privately owned homes, not second homes.

Austin the Pug-puppy's avatar

Theft of money -> Theft of property -> Theft of Constitutional Rights and freedom (think Mandami, et. al.)

Do you know what REAL freedom is? Belief in Jesus Christ.

Things aren't falling apart. They are falling into place. Knowing this is real freedom.

WTPuck's avatar

We need another Great Awakening. That's what helped create our country.

Graphite's avatar

Amen!

19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Matthew 6:19-21 (NKJV)

Or in the First Nations Version translation

19 “Take care not to store up possessions on earth that can be spoiled by worms, eaten by moths, or stolen by thieves. 20 Instead, give away your possessions to the ones in need, and then you will be storing up great possessions in the spirit-world above, where nothing can be lost or stolen. 21 For where you store your valued possessions is where your heart will be.”

Matthew 6:19-21 (FNV)

Help Needed in KS's avatar

SD, I have the same view as you on this subject. I posted on FB a meme about property taxes being theft and my brother posted a response "YOU .. bought into this system!,

YOU suport the benefits it offers , not only for YOU , but others in the community .

If you don’t like it , sell your property get all your money back ,plus more. …. Then quit the club YOU wanted to join…. unrealized gains?? … give your head a shake , look around you , society has big maintenance costs". I guess you could say he and I "agree to disagree".

WTPuck's avatar

You're much kinder than I would have been.

Help Needed in KS's avatar

I didn't bother to respond to his post. What's the point, right?

Juju's avatar

Well yes and no. If you’re willing to give up the gains you made on the property to steep taxation when you walk away, you will be left with a LOT less, but … if you’re also willing to live in a broken down cabin in the wilderness with an outhouse and struggling to keep clean water and have electricity when you need it most - yeah, you could remain free from all of this. There really doesn’t seem to be an in between and I hate our government for that.

Graphite's avatar

I guess it is all part of the NWO/WEF/Davos plan "You will own nothing and be happy!" - sadly they don't care about the 'happy' bit :-(

Richard Whitney's avatar

When I was a kid, property values remained stable. Being a homeowner was not a gambling bet.

You paid a down payment when you bought a house, then you paid the mortgage long enough to "get equity", that is, if you sold the house eventually, the part that you had paid off was a nice chunk to apply to a new down payment.

It wasn't until the 80s, when they took off the laws restricting S&Ls and cut taxes on the rich, that property speculation went wild.

Flipping houses became a sport. And when Blackrock entered the game, the whole thing went sky high.

The people who were penalized by the ongoing property speculation are the ones who bought a house to live in, paid it off, and now face increasing property taxes every year because of the speculators. The house shouldn't be worth more, due to depreciation, but the FIRE industry makes it so.

Mrs. RW

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Let me say it as clearly as I can. Property taxes which tax the home a person lives and eats and sleeps with his family but does no business - is unconstitutional. Businesses are to be taxed, which is why they are taxed for rental properties which they pass through to their tenants. In fact business taxation is the only way the government is supposed to get revenue from pass through when a Citizen does business with them. But we've let them walk on our power over them, and they have used the power they have stolen to enforce their unconstitutional property tax with lawfare and with putting liens on home they have no right to touch. Its literally tons of money they are stealing for their retirements, insurance, plush offices, free cars they drive around on our dime, etc etc etc.

At least one person in each of the 3000+ counties in the USA, needs to take this on at the County level. First check your state's constitution for how Citizens do Initiatives. A Citizen can do an INITIATIVE for ANYTHING in Arizona. There is a process to follow. You have to inform the government of your initiative, then you must seek the signatures of a percentage of electors in your county, usually 10% or 15%. If you get the minimum number of signatures required (always get at least 10% more than required) the county MUST put the Initiative on the ballot. Then it goes to the rest of the electors in the county to vote. You gotta get the word out and remember those people who bitch about it? They are in on the grift. If you get a majority to vote yes, you win, neither the county, nor the state can undo the initiative, they must implement it in your county. Guess two Initiatives you can do in your county:

a. an INITIATIVE to stop property taxes for people I have described above.

b. removal of mail in ballots for use in elections, removal of programmable machines that "count" them, and implementation of proven hand count procedures so we Citizens can count OUR elections - instead of what we presently have where govs have stolen the process from us and tell us their "results" and not allowing us to verify their "results".

The truth of the matter is we ARE the Sovereigns of this country, a fact they have spent decades and billions convincing us that we aren’t. At some point we have to take our sovereignty back from them. By INITIATIVES or by FORCE.

Steve Stevens's avatar

In my state of PA, reassessments have to be revenue-neutral. That means the county, and the municipalities and school districts that collect property taxes can’t collect more — as measured in dollars — in property taxes than they did before the reassessment.

I think that all states that have property taxes should have a law like this.

Susan Daniels's avatar

Of course, Barack Obama and Oprah campaigned for Gillum in Florida when he ran against DeSantis. Not because he would have been a great governor, but because he was black.

FLGenX's avatar

We really need to hear the whole truth and facts about Byron Donalds versus Jay Collins as next FL Governor. I’m not liking the gut feeling I’m having right now…

Torrance Stephens's avatar

Andrew the meth head.

Graham the pervert.

Where does the left find these jerks?

https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/im-graham-i-am-like-you-just-with

Flatulus Maximus's avatar

Remember Marion Barry? As Chris Rock used to say: "Smoked crack and got his job back!" The Democrats have always been the party of hookers and blow.

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Flatulus,

And every other despicable, criminal, immoral, unethical, un-American activity. Because their purpose is to undermine our Constitutional Republic.

Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

The left is "these jerks". The democrat party has become "these jerks". God willing, and we should pray for his willingness, the people who are moderates in the democrat party will realize the monster which has been created and continue to leave. The evil and sick people who have taken it over will use any means possible to impose their monstrous ideas on the rest of us - including stealing elections - which is why you have them so vociferously fighting having to prove they have legitimate elections. They do not! There is another problem and why they scream so loud and hate Trump and his admin so badly. He is cutting off most of the grift they have come to rely on by the redistribution of our tax money to them, for votes. Which is why we must support his every effort, it is all for us. And finally, they have created this uniparty of s_Elected "representatives" to keep it all in place. Why in the hell wont Thune do away with the filibuster - because it allows them to keep all the grifts and unconstitutional actions - like s_Elections in place. 80%!!! Yes, 80% of Americans want the SAVE AMERICA ACT PASSED and Thune and the rest of those corrupt uniparty criminals will not get it done.

Karmy's avatar

Torrance the left is scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

Dana Hope's avatar

What other qualification do you need?🙃

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

✝️✝️✝️

Sing to Yahweh a new song;

Sing to Yahweh, all the earth.

Sing to Yahweh, bless His name;

Proclaim good news of His salvation from day to day.

Recount His glory among the nations,

His wondrous deeds among all the peoples.

For great is Yahweh and greatly to be praised;

He is more fearsome than all gods.

— Psalm 96:1-4 LSB

✝️✝️✝️

RJ Rambler's avatar

This is the only reason I'm still on fb.

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

Me too. I stepped away for a few years around 2021, but decided to get back on because of my writing.

PamelaZelie's avatar

It’s torture to be on FB. I remain for FB Marketplace and Holistic Medicine pages.

Oma's avatar

Ok, I just sang through that scripture🩷

It doesn't take Sherlock's avatar

This is a nice playlist of refreshed worship songs. Some other good playlists at the channel too. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMsCRlJhCa_GJSvvK7XoqZCLabuus59Md&si=canoOuN-nYmMGWub

Graphite's avatar

"Two Lords: Lord Yhwh vs Lord Jesus.

Jesus says: pick one."

???

Jesus is the son of God... part of the Trinity! He died on the Cross as foretold in prophecy to take the punishment for the sins that we have committed so that we can be reconciled to God the Father!

Skenny's avatar

Only one thing sweats and shakes worse than a heroin addict going through withdrawal:

A government facing a revenue reduction.

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Sublime!!!

Just perfect

Valerie's avatar

Ok I have to say… I worked at a ‘fat camp’ in NY state, the Catskills, during summer. I didn’t last the whole summer, these poor kids were coming back year after year because they’d lose weight and then go back to their habits when they got back home. The food was good, not terribly restrictive except for snacks, but the kids weren’t taught how to cook, or how to measure an appropriate portion size, or even just make better choices. They were active. It was crap like aerobics (it was around 1988), not something a kid would want to do for fun when they got home. Such a missed opportunity!

Jeff’s comment about Russian fat camps made me think about it. My apologies to anyone who isn’t as interested in my nostalgia as I am. 😂

Andrew's avatar

Bring back malaria. I always lost at least 10lbs in 4-5 days whenever I got it in Africa. Dengue fever even better!

JudyC's avatar

I stayed fat! We just ate hydroxychloroquine every day.

Valerie's avatar

I used to want to get a stomach bug when I was a teenager for the same reason. 😂

Graphite's avatar

Get yourself 'fat-adapted' on a Keto/carnivore diet - or through time restricted eating and your body will re-learn how to metabolise your fat stores. Having previously eaten the recommended 6/7 meals a day I went through it - and now I can go days without eating - doesn't impact my mood or my training (weights/ running) or ability for physical work. It is very freeing!

David Nelson's avatar

Sounds like Big Fatta: "Don't Cure; Manage."

Jpeach's avatar

The American Revolution was fought over “Taxation without Representation”. American Citizens are once again being unfairly taxed. We are discovering that the majority of tax revenue, funds fraud, waste and incompetence. Our votes are nullified by the multiple forms of Election Fraud. Time for a new American Revolution!

Sunnydaze's avatar

Taxation without Representation.

🎯 🎯

For those who say, we do have elected representatives….I spit on that fake notion. We do not have any representation. We have robots who get paid to do what they are told regardless of what constituents want. Game players. Bought and paid for scum.

WTPuck's avatar

I've been calling them grifting wh@res.

Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

Jpeach, I've been saying this for years! Pass the ammunition.

MaryAnn Markowitz's avatar

I think about that all the time, taxed without representation. Packed school boards we still need to cut that beast, Teacher Unions.

Jo Highet's avatar

Wake up!!! There are 3 separate areas of election integrity that MUST be verified:

1. The voter (are they legal citizens, who reside in the state, at legitimate addresses, are they alive, etc)

2. The machines (did they count the vote the way the ballots were intended to be counted, I.e. sent to adjudication without proper oversight, vote weighting, etc. Are the machines connected to the internet?

3. The ballot process - were ballots handled with proper chain of custody? Received on time, postmarked and counted within legal timeframe, etc.

Fraud, malfeasance and incompetence can impact each or all of these areas!!! Just because voters (number 1) are legit doesn’t mean the ballot was counted properly or handled properly - ALL three aspects of the election must be intact to make the vote LEGAL!

Go here to learn more: https://election-integrity.info/Post_Election_Audits.pdf

Watch this short video: https://rumble.com/viaxgn-audits-explained.html

David Nelson's avatar

There WON'T be election integrity until _I_ can go in to my county office and VERIFY, MY SELF, that MY VOTE WAS RECORDED FOR MY CANDIDATE. I don't want to see that "I voted." I want to see "MY EFFECT."

Ol' Doc Skepsis's avatar

"But that would have required thinking ahead, which is not a core progressive competency."

JACKPOT 😃

shayne's avatar

I'm really pleased President Trump is, "working on microscopic Postal Service tracking of mail-in ballots." At the same time, I hope they're watching Postal workers, and track any anomalies in their current assets. 😏

Karmy's avatar

I just read yesterday that the price of stamps is going up this weekend so buy your stamps now.

Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

“Andrew Gillum — former Tallahassee mayor, former Democrat gubernatorial candidate, former ‘rising star’ of the Democrat Party, is currently vacationing at the Baldwin County, Alabama jail.” This whole story is a laugh a minute! 😆😆

Mike Doyle's avatar

The Press called it "A setback"

David Nelson's avatar

Others commit "crimes." Democrats commit "setbacks."

Susan Seas's avatar

I was seriously laughing out loud! What a 🤡 🌎

If this doesn’t end the DemonRat party nothing will.

PamelaZelie's avatar

Satan has a lot of power.

Phyllis's avatar

Good Morning, Jeff and C&C!!

MyaMaryca's avatar

Once again: When did common sense become so uncommon? Paper ballots, one day voting, valid ID’s.

NoVA mom's avatar

Happy cloudy Wednesday everyone! We got just over 2” rain the last 2 days…good for the gardens and the critters🌱🌿🌻🐿️🐇🦌🦅🦉

Robert Retsch's avatar

Thanks Jeff for covering EI and paper ballots. We in AL (you met us at the PUP Event) have been working on eliminating the ES&S Voting machines and returning to paper ballots for the last 3.5 years.

This includes researching, giving educational presentations on the subject as well as traveling to Germany for meetings with Election Officials.

A few pointers. . . France reports precinct election results within 1-2 hours of polls closing. They start counting the ballots 1 hour after polls open and throughout the day. At close, they only need to count the last hour's worth of cast ballots.

In Germany, they also report precinct totals within 1-2 hours. Counting starts after polls close but they have more poll workers per precinct's registered voters.

Besides getting untampered results, another important factor in eliminating the machines is cost per vote. In Alabama, the current cost is ~$7.73/vote cast. Hand Count Paper Ballots would be $2.71/vote cast. A four year election cycle savings of $35M.

Much more info available if interested.

Bob Retsch

Richard Whitney's avatar

Follow the money. HAVA provided billions to states to switch to computerized voting.

I'm sure that there were kickbacks that incentived election officials to ignore the cost differential.

"On October 29, 2002, President Bush signed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) that was authored by Connecticut Senator Christopher Dodd into law. The federal legislation created many new mandates for state and local governments and provided $3.9 billion in federal funding. To date, Congress has appropriated $3.1 billion in funding. Connecticut has received $32.7 million in federal funding that has been set aside for future electronic voting."

https://portal.ct.gov/SOTS/Election-Services/HAVA/HAVA-Help-America-Vote-Act

Mrs. RW

JT's avatar

Doesn’t it seem like Democrats are the only ones who benefit from “late-received mail-in ballots”…or am I just imagining that?

Paula Kroll's avatar

No you are not! It's so obvious.

Juju's avatar
1hEdited

I’m sure RINOs do too. But only the RINOs. That’s why they block reform

Tom's avatar

“Federal officials said they would withhold some money unless states pursue paper ballot systems, verify citizenship and conduct costly audits.”

We should call these measures a "vaccine" against election fraud.

Checkmate, progressives!