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Doohmax's avatar

If Trump had not ā€œfollowed the scienceā€ and had he pushed back against the fanatical Covidian Globalists, he would have been blamed for millions of Covid deaths, impeached and possibly imprisoned.

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reality speaks's avatar

The majority of the so called Covid deaths were due to the medical care given. Ventilators over 90% death rate. Remdisver over 50% death rate. Denial of antibiotic medication for people with pneumonia. Denial of visitation by loved ones resulting in lack of nutrition and hydration. The overuse of life ending drugs on patients struggling to breathe. The vast majority of them were killed by the medical industry a dead patient was worth thousands of dollars to the medical clinic and a live patient wasn’t.

Trump failed the COVID test and we need to be honest about that. But he is still far better than Harris she will protect and empower the murders in the Federal Government who did this to us.

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NAB's avatar
Sep 23Edited

It feels like we relitigate Trump's handling of the pandemic every couple of months here, but I think his biggest mistake was placing too much responsibility and decision-making in the hands of his son-in-law, Jared Kushner (read Scott Atlas's book). I cannot tell you how happy the absence of both Ivanka's and Jared's involvement in this campaign has made me.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Re: Covid jabs. It seems we all forget that the "pandemic" was a "pLandemic", unleashed on the world at precisely the moment they needed it. That should be all any rational thinking person needs to see to realize it was a pLandemic. And why did they need the pLandemic? To create the "health emergency" required to lock everyone down and impose mail in balloting so they could manipulate the election and depose Trump from office.

Again, Trump was actually trying to save people's lives and he didn't require ANYONE to take the jab. He was completely misled by the criminals in CDC, NIH, NIAID, FDA (your not a horse dont take ivermectin). If he is guilty of anything, it is that he wont admit they duped him. We all know he is a "germophobe".

But then, "they" steal the 2020 (we all - except maybe portlanders - , by now, know who "they" are, and they inserted the puppet Resident Cabbage and his cohort puppet kakala and with them impose all the forced mandates. Mandates for injecting an untested vax. They commit a crime against humanity. The government seized our rights in a massive takeover of power while pharma made billions and billions of tax payer dollars, and criminals like the human cockroach fauci and walking crime against humanity bill gates made millions in kickbacks and stocks. Millions died, not from the flu called covid, but from the co-morbidities left untreated. People who were said to have died from "covid" actually died from heart disease, cancer, diabetes and compromised immune systems. We still have fools walking around today in cloth masks. And the 2024 election is going to be stolen. But we are talking about what Trump did at the outset of the coup d'etat against him and us.

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Patty's avatar

I agree with almost all you write. But my BIL died 7 days into Covid from pneumonia and the refusal of his primary care Dr to see him or treat him. He was trim and fit, ran a marathon earlier that year. He was unvaxxed. There was something in that engineered respiratory virus that became extra virulent a week into it. Not for all people, but for some. My local hero doctor (has treated thousands for Covid, got her board certification stripped as a result for being a ā€œmisinformerā€) saw that happen many times and warned patients to watch for that complication from the virus, not because of any particular co-morbidity they might have.

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As @reality speaks says above, "the majority of the so called Covid deaths were due to the medical care given". I would also say that the "wrong medical care purposefully given to patients". Also, I would add to what happened to your BIL, in what real treatment was NOT allowed to be done, BECAUSE of the "lockdowns" and the tyrannical manner they were allowed deal with the peasants (all of us).

Had Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, Quercetin, Zinc, D2K3, NAC for the lungs, etc. been allowed to be used as the primary OFFENSE against the 2019 Covid flu, that would have blunted the effects of their flu. Ivermectin worked, period, as I know firsthand. Then had it run its course naturally, that would have changed their jab narrative and the cries for Pharma and the alphabet agencies to 'save' us. But of course, the tyrannical politicians would NEVER had allowed that. NEVER let a good crisis go to waste, as Rham 'deadfish' Emanual so famously said.

I am very sorry for your loss. Prayers for your continued healing.

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NAB's avatar

We didn't even need to get to the more "controversial" approaches. Why didn't they use what we have long used for the treatment of severe respiratory infection and distress? What about using steroids - both intravenously and nebulized - and antibiotics? At least treat the presenting symptoms as we would have done with any COPD exacerbation prior to Covid. Even when they finally started to acknowledge steroids might be helpful, they prescribed the wrong kinds at ridiculously low doses.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Yes, Patty, this.

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Robyn Welch's avatar

I think it's an enhanced immune response. My son, who rarely gets sick, got "covid". It was scary, his blood oxygen was really low. He took ivermectin and a bunch of vitamins. His dr gave him vitamin C IV in the car. His Dr mentioned hospital, we said no (he has disabilities, we knew we'd have no control, if we could even see him, and they would kill him). A weekend with oxygen perked him right up.

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NAB's avatar

Wow. Amazing you have a doctor who administered Vit. C IV. That is incredible and likely largely responsible for your son's recovery. Praise G-d! And you are right, he would have been treated in a manner similar to Grace Schara.

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79SmithW60's avatar

Praise the Lord. So smart (and wise) on the part of your real Dr and you and for saying NO! to the hospital. The hospital "protocols" seem to those of killing, vice doing no harm and helping the patient.

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axons007's avatar

I would like to believe he would have been saved with early treatment. For a Dr. to not try ANY treatment at all and just wait until it turns into something possibly deadly should land him in jail. I agree, COVID hit some people very hard.

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Carolyn’s Rae Of Sunshine's avatar

Back in July 2020...I was very ill with ā€œCovidā€...my family doctor would not see me and I was told to go to the ER. At the ER, I was told I wasn’t ā€œsick enoughā€ to be there and I should see my family doctor. Upon my discharge (from that ER visit), I was told NOT to come back unless I could NOT breathe! I was stunned at this treatment (or rather ā€œlack of treatmentā€)! I have not felt the same way about the Medical Industrial Complex since!

Crazy thing though...due to what I just described above, I developed severe anxiety (along with all the physical symptoms of ā€œCovidā€)...I tried to get an old Rx I had from years past for Xanax refilled, but since it had been so long, I was told I couldn’t get it refilled without seeing the doctor. At that time, he (psychiatrist) was only seeing patients online. During my telehealth visit, he could see how sick I was. I explained everything that had been going on with my primary doctor and the ER. He did refill my Xanax, but also ordered Zithromax (which I believe might have saved my life)!

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Monterey's avatar

Right right, when I asked my doctor about early treatment with Ivermectin, she replied "sorry, that's not mainstream".

She also calls herself a vaccine Nazi. I probably need to get a new doctor.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Precisely.

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liz's avatar

I almost died from COVID, and I have zero co morbidities. but I now have great antibodies. IT WAS A BIO WEAPON.

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Sarah Dee's avatar

Same...I was really sick in August 2021 (Delta variant, I think). Only by the grace of God did I make it out of the hospital after 7 days of barely being fed (I even had to request water ALL THE TIME), kept completely isolated from friends and family (I did have my phone), and numerous nurses treated me like the great unwashed because I was unvaxxed. They gave me Remdesivir. They threatened me with a ventilator (I came THIS close). BUT God! Oh, but God! I am still so angry at how I was treated but at least I came out alive. SO MANY others did not. I feel very blessed.

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Free Florida Female's avatar

In May 2021 I was sick with COVID for 5 weeks. My daughter took me to the hospital twice and the medical geniuses there told her I wasn’t sick enough to be admitted and sent me home to die. I thank God I didn’t wind up in the hospital - I might have never seen my family again. I never took the vax and now enjoy the protection of a healthy immune system. I will never again trust doctors.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

You are lucky you survived being given Remdesivir.

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NAB's avatar

I had two friends contract the Delta variant and they were really, really sick. It scared me. I just kept taking my vitamins, ordered IVM and HCQ to have on hand and made sure to get out in the sun and fresh air as much as possible. Fortunately, I got sick during the Omicron wave and it was quite mild (at least I think it was Covid, I didn't do the swab thing, but symptoms and timing seemed right).

It is incredible that you survived. Might I suggest you request a copy of your medical records? Hospitals are required, by law, to provide you everything at a minimal charge (truly - under $10). You can use a HITECH request. Here's just one link which explains HITECH and how to request records:

https://wfirm.com/getting-medical-records-cheaply-using-the-hitech-act/

Something tells me that people should be keeping a record of the treatment they received. It may take a while, but I do think there will be massive claims made against hospitals and pharma. I think the outcome of the Schara v. Ascension case will be determinative.

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Robyn Welch's avatar

Didn't we move covid studies from our labs (in NC?) to Wuhan in 2015? Because obviously if it's not safe here, it'll be safe there šŸ™„

More ties between biden and China. And now walz? Nothing to see here...

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liz's avatar

it was ILLEGAL here. so Obama and company found a way to get around the law, Nothing new for them.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Dr. Ralph Baric at UNC Chapel Hill.

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Bryan Dair's avatar

Exactly right.

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NAB's avatar

Yours is a great comment. I really do agree with all of it. For me, this is the money quote:

If he is guilty of anything, it is that he wont admit they duped him.

Precisely. I selfishly would like some acknowledgement that he would handle this situation differently because as of now, NO ONE is willing to talk about how bad the Covid response was. And it was. We can't brush it under the rug. Someone in a different thread, I think, says it's a topic of mutually assured destruction because both parties were complicit in the disaster. I think that is the best explanation for why most political leaders remain silent on it.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

The pressure on him had to be enormous coming from every department, branch, etc of the deep state. I know for certain I would not have been able to tell them no, especially when all his key advisers like benedict pence were telling him yes, we have a life threatening virus. But perhaps most importantly, I believe this about Trump, 100%: I believe he truly was looking out for the American people in a way not done in a very, very long time. And so for this I forgive him being duped and I loathe with all my heart, the "dupers"!!! I hate them for what they have done to the Country, to us, to the world. I can't think of a word to describe how badly I loathe them. I want to hurt them.

To your comment, " Someone in a different thread, I think, says it's a topic of mutually assured destruction because both parties were complicit in the disaster. I think that is the best explanation for why most political leaders remain silent on it." Probably true, some were genuinely concerned, most could give a damn about our health, they were greedy evil people after money and power, and I believe seeking to FINALLY make us their subjects.

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NAB's avatar

I can relate to your deep loathing. I wish there were a better word too, but that will have to do. My anger can be a near occasion of sin if I let it, so I try to temper my wrath. But I do get it.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

triple like...

Atlas's book was very good.

Give Jared some credit on the Abraham accords though.

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NAB's avatar

Maybe...a little. Though given how Israel treated her citizenry during Covid - making them the lab rate of Big Pharma - I don't hold its leadership in any great esteem.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Israel was brutal with their citizens. Made them get a "green pass" after vaxxination to even be a part of society.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

Israel has not treated the USA very well either... I wish more people would wake up to the truth about those malignant Zionist swine:

https://www.unz.com/article/israel-did-9-11/

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Beckadee's avatar

My Dobie Gillis-esque neighbor was proud of his vax passport to attend some stupid concert at the Saenger.

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Beckadee's avatar

I think I'll send this clip to him. LOL

More perfect than I realized.

https://youtu.be/0hDEWX6K3iw?si=8kkZmJosrgqvAC7d

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Truthseeker's avatar

Yea

The timing of this hot war… and Israel being the country of choice for the real world test site for the covid vaccine … always seemed like a very curious ā€˜coincidence’ to me

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striketheroot's avatar

It's only a coincidence if you don't realize those "jewish people" who took over the land of IS RA EL we're jewish in name only with a microscopic semitic DNA fingerprint. The true semites are the people they are currently slaugtering. It's a reverse ethnic cleansing.

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liz's avatar
Sep 23Edited

its amazing there are still any Israelis available to kill and torture the Palestinians. and rape the prisoners, male and female. some to death.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Reading at Hitler’s library again, are you?

What a load of antisemetic hateful horde sh*t.

Lies, lies, lies

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Astragale's avatar

Scott Atlas is great.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Jared is a twit.

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liz's avatar

worse than a twit. he's right there with the Evil doers, selling Gaza beachfront condos before the bodies are cold.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

A mega-corrupt Israel First twit. He is mentioned in the above 911 article... no shock.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

It deserves to be relitigated.

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daverkb's avatar

The reality is that the Madness of Covid Terrorism was at such a febrile pitch that no political figure, head of state or otherwise, could have possibly stemmed the tide.

I agree about Ivanka and Jered. They clearly are not of us. And likely, a part of the political, social and cultural disease.

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NAB's avatar

Do you remember how Ivanka faced some sort of boycott of her fashion line (or something like that) and MAGA came to her rescue by supporting her? I remember her appearing to be very uncomfortable with the realization that "her people" were no longer NYC elite of the upper west side but rather, middle-aged midwesterners. DJT Jr. seems to love mixing it up with MAGA supporters, but she never did. She seemed to always hold her head up at an angle as if she smelled something bad when interacting at rallies or campaign events.

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daverkb's avatar

I vaguely remember some cosmetic or fashion line, or something. And I think that in general your take is right one. Also, Ivanka getting in bed with Kushner and Israel seems to be an alignment with the same people who are largely responsible for subverting America. They did it in Russia in 1917. And they did it with Woke Marxism to the Collective West.

The People's Republic of the Upper West Side always (repeat always) hated Trump. And the cooler, richer East Side elite always (repeat always) looked down their noses at Trump as being some kind of rich hillbilly bumpkin (Manhattan set version thereof). However, these nose looker-downers don't really count and the proof of this is that Trump got to where he was 2016 and subsequently ... and quite significantly, BY NOT BEING ONE OF THEM.

Ivanka and Kushner, that's a walk on the wild side of bad judgment.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Interesting that his computer algorithm sees a 463 year "religious cycle" that coincides with the 500 year civilization cycle I've talked about. In both cycles, they are "coming to an end" which will result in the beginning of a new cycle. Faith in government-as-we-know-it is collapsing which will result in the downfall of today's governmental order. Logical. One leads to the other. Given that, civil disorder and war is easily predictable. And given the 20 to 30 million aliens that have invaded the country, civil war is a practical certainty.

I have an issue with his use of the term "anti-religious". Is not humanism also a religion? I think he should say that Marxism is anti-theistic and recognize that Marxism is a flavor of humanism which is a faith - a religion - that worships Man as god and is embodied in the State. It's a conflict of religions that will result in violence.

Are These the End Times?

Posted Sep 23, 2024 By Martin Armstrong

...Indeed, the next cycle in religious upheaval is due by 2031. We most certainly live in interesting times, and the LEFT is anti-religious. Under Communism, they converted churches into museums of atheism.

Are the Democrats just Marxists and are indeed anti-religious?

I suppose time will tell.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/religion/are-these-the-end-times/

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daverkb's avatar

The more the world turns, the more it looks the same. And yes, Humanism is a religion. And something has to give. The West has fallen. Christianity in the West has fallen ... except for pockets. Everything is artificiality including the pretense to 'government'. And daily, I feel that I am living enslaved within the confines of a vaccum tube. There is a reason why the Matrix is an icon film. I long for oxygen.

And by the way, speaking of vaccum tubes. Do you recall as a kid visits from the Mystery Man ... aka as The TV Repair Man ... who performed Mystery Voodoo Vaccum Tube Rites on the backside of the TV. Such men always carried with them a large black suitcase filled with mystery items. After their visit, magically Hop-a-long Cassity, Roy Rogers and the Long Rangers came into view. They did not come down the chinmey like Santa. They used the TV antena instead.

I am getting too old. The world is getting to be too much for me to fool with.

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liz's avatar

I really Hope Ivanka and the HORRID JARED stay away.

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NAB's avatar

It's a great, if maddening read. I think Atlas does his very best to give Trump the benefit of the doubt throughout and attempts to paint him in the best possible light, but the reader also learns about all the machinations taking place in the Whitehouse during Covid and it's revealing, to say the least.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yup. Just the way it is.

Not even worth debating.

I thought the response to the c19 ABOMINATION was the easiest call all time. Knew it from the beginning.

But I was wrong:

The easiest call all time is to vote against totalitarianism.

Those are the choices and I'm happy to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

However I will NEVER forget he didn't respect my freedom. But the ONLY thing that matters now is getting these COMMIES out of office...or we are good and screwed.

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Janet's avatar

It’s beyond quibbling. Yes, they are important quibbles but this is pants on fire time. Keep the Dems out!, pound them into the grave of political parties.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Nail on head

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Marsha McGrath's avatar

Yes, but, Ryan, how did Trump not respect your freedom? Was it not the Biden Admin that ordered mandates on vaxxes, travel, lockdowns, etc., not Trump!

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

If you owned a business during that time...trust me you would understand what I'm talking about.

So yes, Trump doesn't get off Scott free.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

How would you do that Janet? Not a rhetorical question but one which seriously must be answered as "election season" manipulation begins in earnest.

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Janet's avatar

Listen, i was a die hard Dem until September 2021. I was wobbling but when Dementia Joe got in the truth accelerated. When my SIL nearly died from remdisivir and vent and i realized my grandCHILD was groomed into becoming trans and the Dems participated in this and protect this evil ideology i was done. So i want vengeance right now. Any pounding the party gets is well deserved. For the children. Vengeance is my only emotion right now. Justice will come.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Its horrible what they have done, unconscionably horrible, crimes against humanity. But they stole power and they will not give it back in Nov 2024. They have every election theft measure they put in place in 2020 and 2022 fully in place and fortified. Janet, do you understand they have the ability to simply brute force steal the election and then use a corrupt judiciary to shut it down election challenges just as they did in 2020 and 2022.

I'm very happy and proud of you that you have seen the light, but it is not just the awful democrats, it is also the RINOs, the deep state bureaucrats and the massively wealthy who believe our lives belong to them and they are unaccountable to us.

You will probably need the vengeance when we wake up on 6 Nov and find that Kakala won, there was no red wave and the uniparty stayed in power too, to continue to bullshit us while they kill us.

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Janet's avatar

Everyone needs to vote them out. I understand the challenge of that but how else can i say it? I want them neutered and powerless. Will i get that? Maybe. Maybe not.

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Eeek's avatar

we’ll, we need to all become Anthony Cabassa who heads up social media called ā€œInformed with Anthonyā€ and canvasses every Saturday then add in Scott Pressler who registers people and get out the vote!

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Respectfully Ryan, it wasn't Trump, it was the governors of states, it was benedict pence, fauci, birx, FDA, CDC NIH, NIAID, my catholic church who bowed to it, and so many, many more. And then the 2020 theft and now it was Cabbage and Kakala and the governors and the rest including all the insufferable virtue signalling maskholes..

But you are right, lets not litigate that right now. When they steal 2024, they will make what occurred between 2020 and 2024 look like child's play.

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KATHERINE JERNIGAN's avatar

It was all of that. The stinking governors throttled us. The stinking churches chose Fear over Faith. The stinking AMA CDC NIH CIA DOJ FBI and all 3 letter agencies tried to kill us deliberately! I hate them all! And they will continue to do it until we rise up in a bloody civil war where many civilians will get slaughtered. But that IS our future.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Bingo:

FEAR OVER FAITH.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

I am 100% with you Katherine.

The Tree of Liberty must at times be refreshed with the blood of both Patriots and Tyrants. Not a pleasant thing to say. The Tree is dying on our watch, and the generation before us, and the generations that are completely brainwashed and indoctrinated.

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SeeingTruth's avatar

Thanks for posting re the governors as I was just about to and saw your text. Governor DeWine in Ohio - now a textbook example of state government out of control I have no doubt fueled particularly by Brix who has admitted openly how she manipulated what was sent out to the states. Also not quibbiling over stuff

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Marsha McGrath's avatar

So right, Daniel L. Hope when we wake up on Nov. 6, you’ll be wrong and vengeance is the Lord’s.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Honestly Marsha, our only real hope is God's Divine Intervention as we seem completely unable to get our "representatives in government" to restore an election system which is 100% verifiable and certifiable and doesn't include massive wholesale mail in ballot theft and programmable machines. They don't believe they work for us although they want us to believe that, as long as we keep sending them campaign contribution money to do what they are paid to do, what they took an oath to do.

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NAB's avatar

Yep. Apply the tourniquet to this hemorrhaging body politic.

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liz's avatar

he didnt support mandates

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

The buck stopped with him.

But it's pointless to look back at the moment.

We are fighting evil. Trump is the man for that now.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Actually, the buck stops with the deep state bureaucrats who actually run the government, against us, in the back rooms of government. Trump had an administration full of never Trumpers. I think he learned the lesson after being beat brutally for 4 years.

The problem is that the enemy is going to steal the 2024 election.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

That's the problem in a nutshell...and that's why Trump is the right man for the occasion.

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Margaret Allison's avatar

Agreed

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Vicki's avatar

He put HCQ out there as an alternative and we saw what the DS did with that....banned it! So he chose the path of least impact, giving free will to the people to think and choose for themselves. The alternative would've been NO choice and everyone dies. The ugly truth is....we've become a lazy people, unwilling to use our brains to question and think for ourselves. First red flag for everyone SHOULD have been.....Emergency Use Only for the vaxes as they were never approved as having gone thru the testing process (which is also bogus). This was clearly stated.

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william howard's avatar

not to mention refusing to even try hydroxychloroquine & ivermectin which proves that it was a scam to enrich big pharma from the start

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KATHERINE JERNIGAN's avatar

They didn’t just ā€œrefuseā€. They made it a punishable crime to even prescribe them.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Didn't that goofy governor of Ohio sign an executive order outlawing hydroxy and IVM?

Or was it the goofy governor of Illinois?

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KATHERINE JERNIGAN's avatar

I think it was OH although maybe IL too. Couldn’t get it in MI.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

And it was Biden/Harris who forced the shots with their mandates.

Harris' hands are not clean on this one.

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Fabes55's avatar

I can remember reading an article from a doctor in early 2021 stating he thought ventilators were the wrong treatment of covid patients due to the way covid presented itself in the lungs. He was right, tho I can't remember who the doctor was.

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Cynthia's avatar

I have a lifelong friend who's a trauma nurse in Tucson and was in the thick of it during the pandemic. She told me they just didn't know in the beginning that using ventilators was the wrong thing to do with covid patients, but they learned quickly. Also,, she confirmed that the hospitals totally pushed Remdesivir because of the money they got for using it. She said no way were they going to use iveremctin which costs pennies, when the hospital got reimbursed THOUSANDS for using Remdesivir! Pure evil driven by $$$$.

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Howling for Harmony's avatar

Yes, pure evil$$$ When my mother was dying of cancer, the hospital prescribed Vioxx, along w/ who knows what else, before she was sent to hospice care. She said "I never took Vioxx, and I don't need it now." She never had arthritis or whatever Vioxx was supposed to be for. Criminal Pharma .......

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Exactly!!! Evil

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Quilty of murder.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

šŸ’•

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Solzhenitsyn’s Ghost's avatar

Extremely well stated. The list goes on and on. Why did Trump, near his last day in office Jan 2021, give Fauci, Mark Milley, Pence, and other criminals the "Presidential Commendation" for their horrible behavior?

Of course there is no contest in at this point - Trump is the only one, along with RFK and his team, to save what's left of our Union. But at least start being honest about Trump's role in lighting the fuse for a disaster.

I understand he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't, but he played it poorly. One thing he could've done and made a terrible decision and not doing it was to announce that the vaccine was ready prior to the election. He needed to tell the world that it was about to be released and it will be optional for anyone who wants it. But that in order to keep the speed going, "I need to be elected."

He was double crossed by the very pharmaceutical companies he handed the keys to the kingdom to, as they delayed the announcement pass the election on purpose.

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AJF's avatar

reality speaks, have you seen Vaxxed 3?

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

SOOO GOOD!

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reality speaks's avatar

No

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TG's avatar
Sep 23Edited

I don't mean to disagree, but lets be honest with ourselves and not use a myopic view... the scam was huge remember the footage from china where they were "welding people into apartments" and other drastic measures that were really just huge phsyops... If you were scared and then they came out with that footage people will line up to take whatever the gov tells them to take - they don't want to be welded into their gov apartment..

We (critical thinkers) did not have a mainstream avenue to call out the physop... because the machine was ready for it... you are a denier just like the climate deniers, vax deniers, the list is long... you are not safe because the "safe" thing has been going on sense before 9/11, see something say something - right out of Nazzzi Germany

For over 30 years it has been one huge conditioning event... and it has been very successful...

The CeyeA has been busy taking down democratically elected leaders all over the planet for a long time... we were conditioned to believe we were "saving" those countries only to see them fall even further into disarray after the new "leadership" was installed, we patted ourselves on the back and then let the countries go only to be heard from when the SHTF later and they need more money and munitions to save them again.. too may to list but Panama, Iraq, Iran and Ukraine... why don't you hear about Ukraine being run by a installed CeyeA goon from the Obummer administration, who is now running it as a dictatorship while the MSM calls it a democracy?

With all that it is easy to scare people they are already preloaded for it... and they took to it like a moth to the flame... the picture is big... bigger than we can possibly know...

Trump did not fail, Trump did what was needed at the time it happened he did try and block people from coming, he did try to get ivermectin, and HCQ and other drugs including the UV light to the lungs (ingenious). Not invented by TPTB, but by real inventors.

The Cvid came from the DOD they sanctioned it and spread it and the jab, the rest of the info about Wuhan and all that is nothing but a smoke screen... the deep state is deeper and well financed by us... and they hate you for living...

God speed all !!!!

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Thank you for sharing the truth instead of bashing DJT! You’re dealing with reality…how refreshing!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I hate to admit this but 4 years later I already forgot about how they were paid so much money for deaths labeled as from COVID. 😩 Thank you for the reminder.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Agree 100%

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Dena's avatar

You’re right about who/ what is really responsible for most covid deaths. However at the time that’s not what was reported & for sure the media would have blamed Trump if he had not allowed the vaccine. All so called experts were recommending it.

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Rick Olivier's avatar

100%, reality

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Juju's avatar

I’m placing this in a few spots throughout the comments here from another Substack because it gives a lot of hope. From Laura Kasner:

ā€œTom Haviland did a meet and greet with Tucker when he and JD were in Hershey, PA on Saturday. He handed him a vial of the white clots embalmers are finding along with a handout explaining the results of our embalmer survey.

Seeds planted. Praying they grow. šŸ™šŸ™šŸ™ā€

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Duckduffer's avatar

Even ventilator and Remdesivir deaths were probably much smaller than those that died of existing comorbidities. One massive money grab. Perverse incentives from soul less politicians.

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Michelle.'s avatar

Yup. Operation warp speed killed 3 members of my family.

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reality speaks's avatar

So sorry to hear that.

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Annie's avatar

Agree šŸ’Æ. He was between a rock and a hard place. Most of us didn't know any better and would have relied on the cdc and nih for guidance like Trump did. He found out just like us what nasty POS lying creeps they are. Trump did push for ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine etc and never pushed mandates. That was Biden/Harris. As with the debate on ABC, there's no way Trump would get a fair treatment on the vaccine from the swamp, health agencies and msm media.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

I knew better, from Day 1. Only old people were ever at risk.

If you didn't know that, you had your head in the sand.

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Johnny-O's avatar

And immediate red flag was when all media was in lock step with the narrative.

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Doohmax's avatar

Bingo! I’ve said it to anyone who would listen. The same people who accused Trump of being a Russian asset were the ones who were telling us we had to mask, distance and vaccinate. Especially after Biden was installed. The harder ā€œtheyā€ pushed, the more I resisted.

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Sam's avatar

That for the first time the government was concerned about our health care should have been a red flag for everyone. It doesn’t care how many people can’t afford to see a doctor or how many people go bankrupt every year even though they have insurance.

But suddenly paying for a Rona infection? Please.

And how many people die of tuberculosis every year for how many decades? Right now TB infections are very high because of immigrants being infected….nary a word.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Illegal aliens.

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Juju's avatar

No Mark, with all due respect there’s more than just two ways to look at this. I myself did not have my head in the sand but was overwhelmed at that time trying to educate myself about a life-threatening health condition I was facing and trying to save my own life from that, while at the same time trying to help a son who was also very sick and having his life completely unravel. We had tragic circumstances in our life at that time and I only had so many hours in the day to use for research and none for any news. I had to trust what my doctors told me about Covid. I truly did not know the extent of what was happening, and thought it was just another form of flu. But eventually by late 2021 I became too suspect and uncomfortable for any boosters, and by beginning of 2022 I started to have the time to catch up on the news and the actual science and discovered the alternative journalists, and I became aware in the ways all of you were two years prior. I became fully Anti-Vaxx at that time, where I will remain for the rest of my life, and I now fiercely defend anyone who rejected the shots from the very beginning, but I also defend anyone who took longer to see the truths.

Please don’t throw those in different situations than you under the bus with what comes off as disdain and disrespect. ā€œHead in the sandā€. It’s rude. It’s hurtful. It lacks full understanding of the myriad of ways some people were unable to see the information they needed in order to be more informed.

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Truth 101's avatar

Well said Juju. Mark's post was pompous and condescending and I don't think we move forward by shaming others that didn't have the wherewithal to gather the information that would have protected them as in your case. Hope that you and your son are well.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

People seem to forget how much censorship was going on during the plandemic.

People getting de-banked, de-platformed, tossed from Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc.

And doctors who were threatened and had their medical license pulled.

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Truth 101's avatar

Yes, so much information was hidden/cancelled. And so many people trusting that their Drs. knew best . . .

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Porge's avatar

Amen JuJu, you are wise and articulate! I admire that very much.

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Marsha McGrath's avatar

A fair and genuine response, though there were times I, too, like Mark, misjudged those who rushed to get the vax.

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Jan's avatar

Yes but it still scared me to see the level of compliance even today. I just had a patient get her 7th shot with doctors as children advising their parent. We have people who will never be normal with severe fear. People that were perfectly normal. One couple got the divorced, he took the kids. The wife’s neuroses were so bad she wouldn’t touch her kids and closed herself off from family while working remote. She is still petrified.

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Betsy Frost's avatar

I agree with you Mark but I also agree with Annie when she says "most". I think that we who directly used the statistics and took time to dive into the local numbers posted were the minority. I live among very smart people but they don't have the time or inclination to do their own research and many sadly do rely on MSM and the agencies for their information while never questioning anything their doctors tell them.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

People know all kinds of things about sports and celebrities and you name it.

But they couldn't stop and think: hey, when have we ever locked down a society over a virus?

Someone is censoring some of my comments. I thought only Democrats censored.

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Betsy Frost's avatar

Exactly. That is a pet peeve of mine. Why are some people so inclined to dedicate time to hero worship while taking so little personal responsibility to become informed about the things that truly affect their lives such as health, finances, etc.?

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Ah, but they know all the current sport statistics and new releases of pop music. šŸ˜ž

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Maureen ODH's avatar

Agreed…Mark Oshinski….. As another Mark wrote a compiled covid evidence in todays substack… like Mark I read Rockefeller 2010 Lockstep and archived it for reference… so when the so called new novel bs was saturated on corporate media ā€œsome of usā€ knew something was being programmed and manipulated… then, ā€œsome of usā€ were aware of EVENT 201 pandemic preparedness that immediately triggered the recall of the 2017 Fauci threat on corporate media announcing that Trump would contend with a pandemic during his administration… right… he knew because he was involved JUST LIKE his HIV murderous campaign with AZT… that ā€œsome of usā€ began to connect the dots, aware that the entire plan was a medical industrial complex UN coup… a coup you say? Yes… a coup, recognizable bc of the dictatorial totalitarian oppressive mandates never before implemented over a flu… and don’t get me started on explaining the first clue… ā€œnew novel virusā€ā€¦. Which would mean in reality no human would have immunity bc no human would have ever contracted a ā€œnewā€ contagious pathogen. Yes… ā€œsome of usā€ knew better even before day 1…. What flabbergasted me was all the 6 th grade biology lessons completely forgotten and microbiology, histology, epidemiology etc., that medical school colleagues, doctor and nurses, and pharmacists completely forgot… and too many apparently on the dole, just forgot? I think that sand all the medical heads were in was highly lucrative…. https://markbishofsky.substack.com/p/kovid-kapoor-predictive-programming

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Fred Richmond's avatar

Thanks for the link

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daverkb's avatar

Thank you.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Yes, they rebranded the 'flu, a classic business model.

https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/what-is-the-flu-aka-covid-19-and

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Janet's avatar

Gosh darn, took me a few months. Guess I’ll go spit out sand.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Lolol.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Exactly.

EASIEST CALL ALL TIME.

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PEL's avatar

And early reports also said overweight people more at risk. I shared an article to this point early on that showed these statistics and was called out for fat shaming.

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Dena's avatar

Then came it’s good to be fat celebration. And all the store mannequins gained 50 pounds.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

If you ā€œknew better from Day 1ā€ I sure hope you did everything in your power to get the correct information out to others. That’s what I did and my conscience was clear that I had done my part in educating others who may not have been as discerning as I was.

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Marsha McGrath's avatar

Like Maureen ODH, I had read the Event 201, both UN Agendas 21/30, etc. I tried to tell my son, don’t, to which he responded, If my work says I need it, I’ll get it. Great govt job, he didn’t want to lose. A sister-in-law said, oh, we’ll just do our part. My brother, her husband, has received radiation for cancer and they’re always sick. I just tell myself, I tried. There are others in my family who listened, thankfully. We stay well and have a favored group of friends who resisted.

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Momcat's avatar

And so many were literally murdered by the ridiculous hospital protocol requiring a vent & remdisiver no matter what. So many old people languished in hospitals on vents with NO one there to intercede for them. Only a few survived. It seems to me it was by design to get rid of as many in the greatest generation as possible. And now your family dr will NOT see you if you have any kind of respiratory illness! This is so crazy! Why have a dr if they will only see you virtually? This only enforces fear of a runny nose!

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KATHERINE JERNIGAN's avatar

My husband and I were over 60. We both had Rona in 2020. Wasn’t bad at all; weird, yes. No need for jibs. We had our Vit D levels up though. Old folks who got very ill didn’t get proper treatment. They were meant to die.

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Marsha McGrath's avatar

Too many seniors do not get vitamins and other necessary supplements in ā€œcareā€ homes. A sad mess.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

And most never get sunlight.

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Cathie's avatar

Just like with the flu. You can add obese people and those wit preexisting conditions to the list.

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Eeek's avatar

Even older people had a 97% of survival. They virtue signaled and lied about everything!

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Jan's avatar

I almost second guessed my gut and got the jabs. It was hard in the medical field to avoid. I had to change jobs to work where there wasn’t a mandate by the boss. The dental field didn’t mandate in small private practices but the peer pressure was awful. I knew watching people running around in masks gloves homemade masks touching everything was bs.

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Michelle.'s avatar

Me too

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Robert McCluskey's avatar

Or apologize your butt!

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Vida Galore's avatar

Thank you.

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Bonny Thompson Rosemeyer's avatar

The Forgotten Side Of Medicine article reposted by Pierre Kory’s Medical Musings ā€œ Policy Shifts Against The mRNA Platformā€ is an absolute must read this week. Basically the Les Wexner Ohio State Medical Center is quietly recommending that all their personal NOT receive the COvid jab anymore. They do continue to tell lay people where they can receive them. It sounds like the sudden deaths of physicians and employees and increasing disabilities is becoming to big to ignore as a result of the jabs!!!! Rotten that they refuse to take a stance on protecting the unknowing public of the dangers of these jabs!!!!!

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Joanne Shannon's avatar

It stated, ā€œThe medical center is NOT offering the covid-19 vaccine to employees.ā€ I agree, they shouldn’t offer it to anyone.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Very interesting- I had a client recently tell

me she made an appointment with her PCP for lab work and a New Dr took her because the old Dr died. My first thought was jab double jab.

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Melissa S's avatar

Re: "Basically the Les Wexner Ohio State Medical Center is quietly recommending that all their personal NOT receive the COvid jab anymore." I could be wrong, but my read was not that the medical center was directly not recommending it for their staff, but that they would no longer provide it for their staff. The message is subtle for those with ears to hear. Some will see it as a convenience of their job, a "perk" no longer available. So they will have to go elsewhere to get their latest C jab.

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Johnny-O's avatar

If he didn't know better shame on him. If he did.....shame on him. Anyone with a computer could do some research and find that mRNA tech has never been safe. Period.

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Carrie's avatar

He had a country to run and a pandemic as well. Shame on Trump for not being a virologist and expert in everything. Lol That is why he has advisors and experts to help him. Sadly, those experts lied. How could he have beat the lying media? The media controlled the narrative. As Annie mentioned, Trump pushed ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and no mandates. Doctors were threatened with their licenses if they prescribed ivermectin. How could Trump ever win. He couldn't.

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Johnny-O's avatar

It wasn't hard to figure out. And I'm sure he had people like RFK warning him. He did the wrong thing. I'm sorry if his ego can't handle admitting mistakes. But the media will burn him....blah blah blah. They are going to burn him anyways, and it doesn't really change anything. The battle lines were drawn long ago.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Pence was over the COVID task force just like Kamala is over the border.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

He did about as good of a job as she did.

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Janet's avatar

They have already burned him every which way from sundown. What’s a few more burning He’s survived 2 assasination attempts. He faces overwhelming fire and keeps going and building his base. I’m a former Dem. I’m in. Now just do it!!!!

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Sam's avatar

Dr. Zelenko wrote to Trump and told him how easily the Rona could be treated.

Trump passed an executive order to send HCQ to everyone, but someone overrode the order and Trump never insisted it be sent.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Do you have more info on this? How are EOs overriden?

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Neil Kellen's avatar

There are ways to reach a good decision even if you dont know the topic. You need to take information in from supporters and detractors. if expert opinion is nearly unanimous, you need to be especially skeptical. I think Trump did ok for the first few months. But by summer, there was emerging evidence that wasnt considered. And when Pence's task force came back with sophomore (high school) level analysis and updates, alarms should have gone off. Then he listened to Jared about not firing Fauci.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

Experts and advisors are synonyms for The Deep State.

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Chloe Zapata's avatar

Dr. Scott Atlas tried to advise on science and common sense but was railroaded by CDC and NIH (Fauci).

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Robin Greer's avatar

And apparently by Pence who was in charge of the meetings.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Trump is thought of as some genius by so many here....then you think back and remember: Pence, Pompeo, Bolton.....the epitome of the swamp.

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Carrie's avatar

Arm chair quarterbacks are the best.

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Vida Galore's avatar

Yup. Packed that administration with neocons. Gee what a nice change - NOT.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

He was not a politician and didn’t realize the extent of RINO’s in the RNC

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Tim R's avatar

And, the Diamond Princess happened in Feb 2020. "Up to 14" old people died "with Covid" out of 3700 people after being confined to a cruise ship for weeks! 0.3% death rate (and likely lower than that). We all knew "Covid" was a joke. Most deaths were iatrogenic. Nonetheless Trump turned the reigns over to Fauci and Birks and the rest is history. Of course I voted for him even after this b/c we all know the alternative, but a mea culpa and a promise from Trump to prosecute the public health Criminals would be huge.

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Annie's avatar

Yeah. Like we all knew better before this scamdemic? Nah. All of us believed to a great degree the BS the health agencies and experts were saying. We all have been red-pilled.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Speak for yourself. And your comment points out how so many here were "red pilled" such a very short time ago, and are yet so confident they understand everything that is going on and are so willing to trust Trump, who made so many massive mistakes. I don't pretend to know everything, I just know all things are possible. That said, it is possible Trump is on team freedom, but he has given more than enough reasons to seriously doubt that.

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Vida Galore's avatar

There are no "red-pilled" people here. There are conservatives, who will always toe the Republican line, just as liberals toe the Democrat line. It's too bad. If we had more independent thinkers, we could break out of the stupid lose/lose stronghold.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

I agree

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Biden forced the mandates.

Why is everyone forgetting that fact?

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Johnny-O's avatar

Nobody is forgetting that. What you fail to seem to face is the fact that Trump's hands are really dirty from OWS and he hasn't yet come clean. Biggest crime against humanity in recorded history. Kind of a big deal, and I'm not sorry for contnuing to talk about it. I can't believe people continue to try to give this a pass. If the shoe were on the other foot (Biden did OWS, but didn't mandate) - I'm sure you'd be giving it a pass, right?

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Inverted Pyramid's avatar

Its always easier to point out other peoples mistakes.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

Easier than what?

I opposed lockdowns from Day 1.

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Janet's avatar

We’re here now. Take it or leave it, Johnny boy.

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

Trump had to pick his battles.

Why should he work for us, when most won't even work for themselves?

Nevertheless, he is willing, even when not always able, all by himself.

There are 100s of 1000s in the permanent bureaucracy.

Even though there are more of us, most of us don't engage the problems a President faces, because we have problems of our own.

Sometimes it's what Trump doesn't say, that speaks the most.

Facing the covert passive-aggressive narcissist snakes in the bureaucracy, it's not good to fight toxicity with toxicity, and give them ammo to deflect their misdeeds back on the opposition to their games.

"Got to know when to hold them and when to fold them."

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

Not buying this. Subsidizing lockdowns was a major blunder.

You shouldn't seek the Presidency unless you're willing to take on responsibility and are willing to do that which is unpopular.

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Maureen ODH's avatar

ā€œAll of usā€ā€¦. Annie? That may make you feel better, but no… not all of us… not ever for me… nor did I fall for the 9/11 broadcasted 24/7 media hypnosis covert manipulation, having just viewed a history channel controlled demolition just days before… verified personally anyway for me, by renown independent journalist Christopher Bollyn who wrote the first independent analysis on Sept 18, 2001. https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbollyn.com%2F9-11-archive-2001%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2XAFT8JAHp7PPCzG3Jsid7zpaO3YFzQN4SXCBMzl66qHq3iyxqVVp3ACk_aem_vFmUl7vxRULF1r7YPf2FIw&h=AT3x8Hv2RgCPM1pJUlNaCdInztE0F2NugPQL3i8px2yidxtB11clPGJaDWQ05c6Fky2rCJ_gPjUtEm2Xgoeot8X8jFq7M-dlyQYO0btBVDzhULtWiJ9y7lzJyzhjkxQN0tgKwdOL8tcv&s=1

Brilliant considering the date Sept 18, 2001 against the saturated global news hypnosis that resulted in Dick Cheney and the Bush cabal getting their Middle East war…

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

The beauty of it is that Annie is doing what Trump could not do:

Admit she was wrong and took the time to figure it out.

So we're all on the same team. At least that's the healthy way to look at it imo.

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Maureen ODH's avatar

Yes, I agree that Annie did what DT will not… but looping everyone in on swallowing the covid deep government media manipulated conspiracy is a genuine pet peeve…

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Vida Galore's avatar

I did. I was waiting for the next psyop. And Trump being an insider knows 1000x more than any of us here. This is obvious.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Great point re Trump's inside knowledge.

As always happens here, it boils down to "Trump had to go along with the Deepstate or else the media would've said mean things about him."

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

Anyone who thought about it would have asked: Why are we locking down for the first time ever over a virus that kills only a tiny fraction of old people?

Instead, they bought their TVs' bogus, anti-science hysteria.

Dumb. From Day 1.

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Joanne Shannon's avatar

Hahahaha….are you a troll?! I didn’t believe it from the start. I am thankful for already being an informed anti-vaxxer.

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

And there you go,proving, damned if he did this, or that. Funny how you proved another’s point whilst you look like you need a janitor in the drum sized can of anti tds suppositories.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Are you a slave? I don't know how else to explain justifying such behavior by a "leader."

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

That's "only two choices" thinking.

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Annie's avatar

Agree šŸ’Æ šŸ‘

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DrDoug's avatar

When he was asked about the C19 vaccines he turned it in to a political argument, then says that his very smart Democrat friends " liked it!" So by implication, the idiot Republicans still don't get it. Then.... study it for 12 months more??? Sorry, Donald, you are the not smart one here. AT THE VERY LEAST, he could have said, my future administration will never again lock the country down, will never force you to take an injection, or punish you fire not taking one. THAT would have been a stand for liberty that makes the question about the manipulateable science moot. Let those smart democrats keep taking it if they want!

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Baldmichael's avatar

I don't believe Trump's administration forced a lock down but left that to the states to decide. The Left states seemed to have been more keen than the Right states which was very telling.

I have engaged with some democrats online and warn them about the shots but they seem keen on them for some reason. They like being sick I suppose.

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Johnny-O's avatar

bingo

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Karen Bandy's avatar

A friend’s husband is probably going to start an mRNA trial for a very rare cancer that he’s been battling for 8ish years. I’ve mostly kept my mouth shut but did mention mRNA concerns and she said that is the very thing that is delivering the supposed death knell to the metastasizing tumors. He also wont try Joe Tippens protocol because he won’t give up sugar. He’s super skinny but has eating and swollowing problems, so it’s a mess. But I’m afraid the mRNA will hasten the progression.

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Joanne Shannon's avatar

His re-election took precedence over truth and it still does. His ā€œvery smart guyā€ friend (who sounds like a moron to me) says he saved millions of lives all over the world, when it’s the opposite due to the shot. He clearly ignored Attkisson’s statement that the shot did not prevent infection, illness or transmission. He still says it came from the Wuhan lab, while not mentioning the DoD and North Carolina. He’ll wait for the studies to come out, but Naomi Wolf and the 500+ doctors and scientists have been revealing what Pfizer wanted to keep hidden. I will vote for him because of Kennedy’s endorsement and I dream for the day when the ā€œnewsā€ was able to question the toxins found in all vaccines. Phuck Pharma!

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Maureen ODH's avatar

šŸŽÆ

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Robin Greer's avatar

Plus Pence was over the COVID task force and he heard evidence from both sides but wouldn't give the actual real evidence from doctors the time of day.

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J. Fast's avatar

Thank you for reminding us of empty-suit-Pence’s role. He is a well-dressed dolt.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

Pence knows no science.

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Kathy's avatar

I thought, surely after we saw how the vaccine mandates were literally killing the working population, that the Republican party would use this to bury the Democratic Party forever. But they didn’t., Because they take money from big Pharma too.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

However, he did have Scott Atlas and Paul Alexander on staff....

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Vida Galore's avatar

If I knew better, so did Trump. This tired explanation of ignorance when it's convenient doesn't wash for me.

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STH's avatar

Well the alternative is losing our country, so I’ll take the pig headed patriot any day.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yeah it's totalitarianism or not totalitarianism.

Pretty easy choice for me...

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

Harris is awful.

But Trump is more talk than action.

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Vida Galore's avatar

LOL. What country? We are a WEF project now. Trump won't change that.

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Jan's avatar

I still think, when it’s all said and done, completely exposed they will try to scapegoat him.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Yes, let’s look forward and remember that President Trump is smart and strategic and that this election is going to determine whether the U.S. is going to continue self destruction from within or fight to get back to our constitutional beginnings. He’s not perfect, neither am I, but there is no doubt he loves this country and its people and is putting his life in danger to turn it around. God is in control and He allows leaders, good and bad, to accomplish His plan.

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Robin Greer's avatar

I saw an excellent meme pointing to the fact that God used Solomon, David, Samson, and Nebuchadnezzar among many others. No one that God has ever used to fulfill His purposes was perfect except Jesus.

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ROKM's avatar

And even made a donkey talk and prophesize...hmmmmm, maybe that's why these docs, like Varmit, keep getting caught on camera.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Funny how liars will brag about being liars. Evil is stupid.

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Baldmichael's avatar

I believe the Democrats symbol is a donkey....

Baalam's donkey was a lot smarter though. :)

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Cynthia's avatar

So true! Add pagan king Cyrus to the list of ungodly people God used to fulfill his plans.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Precisely

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

You nailed it, Robin

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I live each day by your last sentence.

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Valerie's avatar

Excellent, I agree.

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Laura Kasner's avatar

Amen Julie

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Lisa Ca's avatar

This is exactly it. I am so sick of people looking for a ā€œperfectā€ leader. NO ONE IS!

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Johnny-O's avatar

Smart and strategic? Maybe we have yet to see this play out, but poisoning millions of people is neither of those things.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Course, he wasn't the one who issued the mandate. Biden was. Biden was the angry person on TV insisting that every person had to have a Covid shot.

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Janet's avatar

Will never forget his malevolent intoning. He ordered the death and injury of real people including children Hope his hot heated bed is ready for him.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Poisoning millions of people has been going on for very many years and certainly since innoculations/ vaccines were first rolled out.

Rushing the poisoning process made a large proportion of people wake up at last. So perversely perhaps it was a 'good' thing, or sadly necessary if you prefer.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Well stated

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Valerie's avatar

Absolutely. I still firmly believe that if he media hadn’t scared us and had just told us there was a new strain of flu, we probably wouldn’t have even noticed.

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Peter Schott's avatar

Well, it could have been one of the "worst years for the flu ever", but yeah - if we'd actually just lived life and gone about business relatively like normal things would have been different. And if people had actually gotten some treatment early on instead of "go home to get more sick" advice, it would have helped. So many bad moves made by our "experts".

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Valerie's avatar

My oldest son got H1N1 when it was going around, and it was another one they tried to scare us about. He was sick for a few days like any other flu. I think the difference with Covid was that Trump was in office and the globalists hate a populist.

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Robin Greer's avatar

And they had an election to rig.

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daverkb's avatar

They were beta testing us all along!

I remember that. And the talking heads reciting their line. And in a conspicuously way that ought have have set of the alarm bells.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

It was a test from TPTB to see if people would comply to draconian demands.

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daverkb's avatar

There this too. The actual administration of the kill shot and the resulting fallout may have done the Western Powers TPTB lasting damage irreversible. And the damage done to credibilty from the Ukraine just rounds the square. Surely the cat is out of the bag as other countries have intelligence agencies which are continually monitoring situations. And the recoil does not have to be conspicuous. It can and already has assumed a progressive enlarging distancing from Washington.

I agree with you. But maybe, just maybe, these people have gone a bridge too far? Sure, the War Mongers may attempt to shift the theaters of engagement. But maybe we have reached as hinge point. And maybe people in positions of power are now getting gun shy. This sure looks like the case with Germany which has gotten royally screwed and may now have buyer's remorse as to its policy engagements in recent years.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Yes. Rebranding the 'flu every once in a while is useful for big pharma's flagging profits.

Therefore they have a false prophet like Fauci or similar to prophecy doom and gloom unless people get shot.

Some people fall for it every time. Sigh.

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LMWC's avatar

Exactly and none of the media is exempt from this. But just the whisper of new covid outbreaks has sent my local store into a dozen masked faces reappearing, and a cashier who finally got out of her 3 year mask last June right back into it. Some people only watch the alphabet channels and when they mention covid outbreaks, out come the masks.

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Margaret Allison's avatar

I was out Friday or Saturday and couldn’t believe the masks! What is the problem? Masks don’t work! Someone is only watching the one eyed monster! Common sense is not so common. Back to basic microbiology if anyone knows it! I really feel sorry for them because they are breathing plant life material! So sad. šŸ˜ž Happy Fall y’all! Must end on an upbeat note! Negativity is not good either.

Hope Florida does its job and keeps Routh in jail.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Same. I was just at the airport and I could NOT believe how many morons were still wearing masks.

I hate talking bad about people...but my goodness it's been 4.5 years people!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I had an appointment at the VA a few days ago. The doctor put a mask on when she came into the room. I told her I could not hear her. She took it off.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Gordon Bennett! I know doctors are really stupid but...

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Connect The Dots's avatar

I recently went to a small university town comedy show, which turned out to be unfortunate, where the comedians spent an inordinate amount amount of time talking about how dumb were the people who didn't mask… That was her comedy routine.

Lazy, uninspired, unfunny, hackneyed and BORING.

Right, it's OVER people.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

I hope you walked out.

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Baldmichael's avatar

I say make 'em laugh. It's the best medicine so they say.

https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/m-is-formasks?utm_source=publication-search

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Annie's avatar

Cough around the maskers. They scatter like roaches. Lol šŸ˜„

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Janet's avatar

I’ve done that. LOL LOL. šŸ‘šŸ»šŸŖ³

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NAB's avatar

Paraphrasing a certain Priest, Prophet and King: "the broken you will always have with you."

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Baldmichael's avatar

Oh dear, the Mask-ists are back then.

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Robin Esau's avatar

And, if there wasn't the faulty covid tests. All the "positive" results fueled the fire.

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Sherry 1's avatar

Yes. Planned.

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rolandttg's avatar

Why didn't the Amish get cvid.? They don't have TV's.

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carily myers's avatar

lol, like

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Kathy's avatar

Right! And very few people would have died without the remdesivir and the ventilators. And if they didn’t want people to be frightened, they would’ve given them appropriate steroids at the right time. And if people would have been allowed to find out about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine…. it is so infuriating and heartbreaking that I can hardly bear to think about it. Mass murder.

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Scott's avatar

THIS! Yep, just say it looks like it's going to be a bad flu year--which we get from time to time--and leave it at that. But, no. There were pharma buxs to be made. Scamdemic 100%.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Bad 'flus may occur when 'flu vaxxes pushed. It is good for business. 'Ooh look, people are falling ill, let's jab them some more!'

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Robin Greer's avatar

Wasn't there bird-flu or was it swine flu outbreak during Obama's presidency? Yet there was no media hysteria.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

There's a pandemic EVERY election year since I've been old enough to vote, 40 years!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Hahahaha

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Karmy's avatar

The Hong Kong flu pandemic happened during 1968-1969 right when Woodstock took place. Not a big deal back then.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Swine flu happened in 1976.

The vaccine was pulled with less than 50 deaths.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I was just commenting because the swine flu vaccine was pulled when harms were acknowledged.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

MERS happened in 2012 in Saudi Arabia.

Bet this was just another bioweapon released by the US government.

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Sherry 1's avatar

…..and Governments, UN, WHO, Unions, they were all in on it. Needed something to kick off their ā€˜Great Reset’ NWO. So🤢🤢🤢🤮 of those people. UN was supposed to be peacekeepers, that’s IT. They became so irrelevant, they went on this control the World power trip. They must be defunded and disbanded.

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Mrs. Mantle's avatar

My experience was a little worse than that and a little longer. But, point taken.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yeah it sucked. I spent 5 days in bed with Delta.

BUT it wasn't even close to when I had mono in college.

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nt's avatar

Same ! Way worse…way longer .

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AJF's avatar

Trilby...and Rochelle Walensky admitted those that died of "covid" had 4 or more co morbidities...so much of what they admitted is not known to people around my town!

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Mary Mc's avatar

It was all planned as a "NO WIN" for Trump (or anyone who was an R in office). I suspect they were sandbagging it, to be able to release when needed. 😔

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Curious Jane's avatar

I wonder whether what he approved is different from what was delivered.

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Carrie's avatar

I'm sure if Pfizer had been truthful about the jab trials (deaths, injuries, etc) those jabs would never have been approved.

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Johnny-O's avatar

And who in their right mind would believe a pharmaceutical company's own studies to begin with?

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Baldmichael's avatar

Only somebody with a left leaning mind I guess.

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Valerie's avatar

Don’t forget that they vaccinated the control group after a couple of months (I think, it’s been a minute), so how are they even going to do long term studies? Maybe that’s why all the studies are coming out of Europe and Asia.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

It was all to get the needle into peoples arms. They eliminated the control group because then they could keep their most coveted machination:

YOU CAN'T PROVE A NEGATIVE.

It could've all been avoided if people would've stood up against the masks.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Long term studies are necessary for big pharma profits as by the time it is shown they don't work they have another poison in the pipeline.

And many who might complain are dead anyway.

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Truth 101's avatar

I remember reading that the Pfizer control group had gotten the jab after 3 or 4, I think 3 or 4 months out from the start of the testing. It essentially made everyone who took the jab a test subject. The majority did not know this.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Pfizer truthful???? :):):):):):):):):):)

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Very good point

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Mary Mc's avatar

He only allowed the agencies to fast track approval, if needed (which of course the thought it was). He did do a "right to try" for those who had few other options. Seems most hospitals ignored that, when dealing with c19.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Hospitals were forced to follow CDC guidelines or not be paid. If they didn't follow the guidelines for treatment or for staff to get vaccinated then the government would withhold payment for treatment. It was blackmail. One of my providers shared this with me and it applied to all providers regardless of size or type of provider. If you treated medicare patients, you were required to follow their rules.

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PEL's avatar

My doctor would not prescribe ivermectin because she said was not in CDC guidelines. She did let me have a Budesonide inhaler because that was in there as ok. So I ordered from India.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Still ordering meds from India.

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Janet's avatar

I read a different product WAS given from the product that the FDA got the studies from. Bait and switch.

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Emumundo's avatar

The way they manufactured the vaccine they gave to the public was different than the one they submitted to the CDC for approval. Also, they gave their employees a different vaccine than the general public received.

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Deb Comerford's avatar

Yessssss…. I believe it was called comirnaty!

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Robin Esau's avatar

And there was a difference in the batches; some had much higher incidence of injuries.

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Valerie's avatar

This is a very interesting question.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Very interesting possibility.

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Annie's avatar

I would not be surprised.

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shayne's avatar

I have been saying this from the beginning. It was a no win situation for him, and he would've been crucified if he'd fired all the covidians and told us to go about our lives as normal.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Well if he had done that there would've been a lot less suffering.

There's no way around it:

His decisions led to untold despair.

So he does have responsibility.

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shayne's avatar

I'm not saying he doesn't have responsibility. He does. On the flip side, so do we. I did my due diligence and researched the C shots. The information was all there for anyone to read.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

We agree

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

So he killed millions of people because he wanted to avoid being "crucified."

There it is right there.

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PEL's avatar

How did our experience compare to the rest of the world? It’s not like ours was the only country impacted. And we have higher rates of obesity that likely made our stats worse.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Can’t agree more!

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Kathy's avatar

I think the issue is that years later when we can see how they were completely useless and extremely destructive, he was still bragging about them. He could have said that he was lied to by supposed medical experts. Which is true by the way. I don’t blame him for warp speed. They had that planned along time ago. DARPA was also well aware (and informed the CDC in 2015 ) that ivermectin and HCQ would be effective against Corona Viruses and therefore prevent an emergency use authorization for the experimental, genetic injection, therefore those drugs had to be slandered, and everyone advocating them had to be attacked. This was not Trumpā€˜s fault either. He is deftly doing some political maneuvering here. I do think that disinfected Democrats probably mostly hate the shots too, so I’m not sure that is why he is saying this stuff. We also have mountains of studies that have already been done and are completely damming for the shots.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

"...disinfected Democrats..." 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Come to think of it, wonder if that would have any positive effects? 😶

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

Even King David feigned insanity on one occasion to save his skin...

He had many people depending on him.

God, family, country. In that order, because without God and family, you won't have a country worth defending.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

Leaders must make hard choices. Trump caved to the swamp creatures he vowed to drain.

The states could have done what they want. With no federal subsidies, the governors wouldn't have locked down.

https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/trumps-corona-clown-show

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Doohmax's avatar

Leaders are not required to commit political suicide. Never try to draw your own weapon if your opponent has a gun in your face. Trump had the Globalist weapons stuck right against his forehead. Best to buy time and try to survive than to be over aggressive when the odds are practically zero.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

Many very young men have given up their lives for their country. Trump is an old man, with less at stake. His obligation is to do the right thing, not yield to politics.

All he needed to do was say, "Go ahead and lock down. I won't subsidize it."

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daverkb's avatar

About the size of it.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

šŸ’•šŸ’•šŸ’•

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Johnny-O's avatar

The hard truth most here cannot reconcile.....thanks for sharing.

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Bryn Cannon's avatar

I see a lot of comments here criticizing people for ā€œhero-worshipā€ of Trump. And ok, maybe some people are expecting him to be a savior, and think he can do no wrong.

But the critical comments are almost all ā€œshame on Trump for not being perfect.ā€

Meanwhile, most of us know he is human, capable of making mistakes, capable of occasional bad judgement, capable of thinking too highly of himself. That doesn’t mean he has nothing at all to offer and wouldn’t do a good job as president.

I’m not excusing him, and yes, I knew from the beginning too that it was all nonsense. But it sure sounds like you were also expecting a savior and got disappointed.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

He would have been exposed as doing the right thing and not built a weapon used to harm

Millions

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Emumundo's avatar

Not likely. It took forever to get any public info out there about vax bad. Look at all of the doctors who were persecuted for alternative treatment. Many lost their license to practice. Trump was skewered when he got Covid and was out riding around in his limo a few days later.

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Valerie's avatar

Never. The media would never have allowed Trump that win.

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Freebird's avatar

I’m surprised at how many can’t see the impossibly difficult fine line Trump is forced to walk on the vax issue. It’s evident to me simply from my own small world, in which the numbers reflect national stats, ie. 70% vaxed, 30% not. Of that 70% I’d say that on average, most are now admitting that the vax didn’t work, but beyond that, they don’t want to hear or know of vax injuries and deaths. It’s a truth too ugly and scary to even contemplate, besides the fact that they themselves were vaxxed and they’re still alive and well.

The majority on here are in the 30%, and some apparently can’t see beyond their nose in regard to this issue….vax bad, Trump bad and stupid if he can’t see and admit that.

Trump knows, I mean he’s aligned with Kennedy for goodness sake! I can’t imagine what kind of 3D chess he must play to win, how many media pitfalls, and bullets he’ll have to dodge…but I pray that he has the strength and wisdom to get through this.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

I agree Freebird!! So much negativity here today after Jeff’s excellent post. I guess just like in ancient times these people are looking for a savior, and don’t understand we are all flawed and imperfect humans and will be until our Savior, Jesus Christ returns.

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WP William's avatar

Impeached for sure, but his political dodge is lame excuse even if he "earns" 2 Dem-vaxxophile votes for every 1 anti-vaxx vote he loses.....is that leading on the issue?

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Willing Spirit's avatar

You want more Obama?

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WP William's avatar

I want him to WIN and then unleash the dogs (RFK Jr) on the pHARMA industry

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SPONGEWORTHY47's avatar

that TURD TAMPER and his husband MIKE ROBINSON...looks like he's been bangin DIDDY for a long while...sick of living on the degenerate disgusting PLANET OF THE APES...

and let's talk ELECTION INTERFERENCE...no black man would EVER have voted for Saetoro/obama if they knew the truth of his degenerate lifestyle turd packin a MAN IN A DRESS with a couple of BORROWED CHILDREN as "cover"...

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shayne's avatar

You're not wrong!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Ya that does seem weak. How many Dems are switching to Team Orange based on vaxx-danger info?

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WP William's avatar

right, the Bobby Kennedy supporters DEMAND accountability for Big pHarma on this entire sickness industry and so I guess Trump kicks the can a bit and explains that it IS COMING SOON, so his excuse is mere cover to keep Media Mutts off his tail about it til the ballots are all certified and not Insurrectioned by the Leftists

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Johnny-O's avatar

exactly

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

DJT listened to his advisors who were all compromised by the Transnationals. I'm quite sure he learned his lesson. You can't fool him twice.

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Vida Galore's avatar

Interesting hypothetical without any basis in reality. He is attacked no matter what he does, so his job is to tell the truth regardless.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Speaking of red pilled, so sorry, but in politics it is not one's job to tell the truth no matter what pedestal some put them on. That's not the job by any stretch. Not in the corporatized "political" system we've got. Very few will understand that last statement. The red pill removes all doubt.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Are we slaves? We need to justify being poisoned? This is Orwellian?

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LuAnne's avatar

Exactly. And, it wasn't Trump that used the jabs as a tyrannical tool.

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Valerie's avatar

I have always been disappointed with Trump’s handling of the vaccine, but to be fair, there was massive pressure to develop a vaccine and he wasn’t president when the mandates came out. I doubt he would have favored mandates, he said so when he was in office.

That said, I would love for him to come clean about the covid shots, and I think it’s likely if he gets in office given that he has Kennedy on his team. Also, can we acknowledge how much he’s learned since his first presidential run? The refusal to get caught in a trap with controversial issues is a big step.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

All things being as they were, not as we would have liked them to be, he did a great job. Those were mighty rocky shoals he had to navigate in the face of the perfect storm.

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Valerie's avatar

Exactly. And the strange global conformity to make Covid an existential threat…. He was in a very difficult position.

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Fran Angel's avatar

We would all still be locked in our homes, locked out of society, wearing masks if Trump hadn't implemented Operation Warp Speed. He didn't push mandates that destroyed lives and livelihoods, that was Biden and company. This is where critical thinking skills came in....decide for yourself how to respond to the threat of illness, millions rejected the jabs even though, like me, being a loyal Trump supporter.

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Valerie's avatar

Yes! Remember how the democrats absolutely demonized the Covid shot before Biden got in office, and then when was elected they all loved it and wanted mandates? Further proof that there is little critical thinking if it gets in the way of control. Bastards.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

The shots did not end "The Pandemic."

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Hoffmeister's avatar

In my opinion, we the people ended it.....but that's the short story.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

I will never be locked in my home Fran, nor wear a mask. Locked out of society? Maybe not such a bad deal. Perhaps I will be placed in a concentration camp with like minded freedom seekers. Paul did some of his best work in prison, I will attempt to emulate his success.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Literally the entirety of the global elites were making war against him.

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MimiDee's avatar

In all of this some are forgetting personal responsibility. I knew it was a sham from the first week because of the ridiculous over reaction compared to the 100% death rate of HIV for years. We tried to warn people and were scorned. If many more people had thought for themselves the mandates would have been impossible to enforce and he had nothing to do with that. Blaming one leader for people not thinking for themselves is absurd. Vaccines were available, abortion is available but it doesn’t mean that you go get one.

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DrDoug's avatar

Are you kidding??? How can you "think for yourself" about a mandate? Let's see.... what do you think, kids, should we be able to eat this week and from now on? There's no choice there. Yes, Biden imposed the mandates, but Trump locked us down. He could have promised, in response to the question, no lockdowns, no mandates. Freedom First.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I thought for myself with the mandate. I know a lot of people who thought for themselves. A mandate didn’t mean anyone HAD to do anything. And I was in Oregon at the time where friends and family were reporting you like good little communists. We did not comply with any of it right front the onset. So there’s that.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

A mandate is not a law. Under all circumstances you should use your own ability to be discerning through the use of critical thinking skills and make your own best decision regardless of the consequences! And do it now because as we continue to approach the End Times it will only be more difficult to stand on truth!

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

The fact the whole thing was devised only to get him out of office, I’d say so far he’s fared rather well.

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c Anderson's avatar

A bill gates maneuver? 🤔

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BBS's avatar

Two things can be true. Trump did the best with what information he had at the time , however it turned out that ventilators and the jab were more dangerous than Covid itself.

And that is what I would like to hear Trump say. I cannot stomach hearing him say another time what a great job he did with warp speed and getting ventilators built in record time. We all know the consequences of that--and so does he. Yes, it seemed like a good idea at the time. However...And yes, I am voting for him for the 3rd time. I have had a Trump flag flying since 2016.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Trump is in a fight for the life of the Republic. Could you give him a little time to prioritize battles? Or do you want him bogged down in some controversial muck right now to make you feel better?

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Sunnydaze's avatar

There was so much warfare going on during that time…and is STILL going on. I doubt we even know the half of it. As much as I hate what he did with the jabs….we have no idea what kind of evil and criminal crap they were doing behind the curtain. I will give room for him to come clean after Nov 5. Assuming we can stop the steal. I understand why he’s been quiet or still patting himself on the back….IF he is playing the long game. War is ugly and people die. It sounds calloused but we have been at war. People who chose to inject an experimental jab have only themselves to blame. I for one would never inject anything just because someone or Trump told me it was ok. There HAS to be personal responsibility that is taken for the choices we make.

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Nancy Benedict's avatar

That is exactly the difference. Trump supporters generally think for themselves and have common sense. Harris supporters with TDS follow the dictates of their party. The cost of those decisions is being counted.

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Valerie's avatar

It’s a curse of being ā€˜progressive’. Everything new must be better than what came before, so they’re always subject to current trends/fads.

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c Anderson's avatar

It is a wastefulness that will never be called out by MSM. This time they wasted lives.

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Mary Mc's avatar

Amen to the responsibility comment.

Perhaps his embracing of RFK and their partnership is the clue as to how he will move on the liars and grifters like Fauci et al?

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Sherry 1's avatar

Yup. They must be shaking. Nuremberg 2.0 coming up.

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Fran Angel's avatar

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I’m hoping so!

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Robin Greer's avatar

Except the deep state/DOD most likely had this shots already lined up and they knew the doctors would follow in lock step with CDC/FDA orders or not be paid. Doctors were not paid to think just to follow orders. And the CDC knew that practically everyone trusts their doctor more than anyone else in the world so they knew if they could get the doctors (which by the way are probably 90% Democrats) to fall in line, then people would line up to get the shots based on their doctors advice. It was a plan based on trust. They broke the trust and now many don't trust the government or doctors anymore.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I agree. And I’m aware these shots were already ready before ā€œcovidā€. So I’m waiting to hear from Trump about this OWS stuff and what really went down. If he really does expose all this. Time will tell.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

I've never trusted doctors, especially my VA doc. I keep away from MD's unless I need a patch up from a traumatic injury. Fortunately I've only had minor need for traumatic intervention, other than a nip and tuck on my L 4&5 so I could use my right leg again.

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Jaime Connor's avatar

The doctors followed orders or lost their licenses. Some did it for the money and kick backs . Others out of fear. Many died mysteriously for fighting against it.

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Kaitlyn McCalla's avatar

This! He handled the vaccines as he did because he knows what we are up against and the vaccines (unfortunately) we’re going to appear to get the country back on track and out of their homes. Some battles have to be lost to win the war and I think Trump strategically knows this for the long game. He was willing to ā€œloseā€ the vaccine battle to win the war. Also, think now how many people are awake because of the vaccine!!! šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡øšŸ‡ŗšŸ‡ø

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Juju's avatar

I’m placing this in a few spots throughout the comments here from another Substack because it gives a lot of hope. From Laura Kasner:

ā€œTom Haviland did a meet and greet with Tucker when he and JD were in Hershey, PA on Saturday. He handed him a vial of the white clots embalmers are finding along with a handout explaining the results of our embalmer survey.

Seeds planted. Praying they grow. šŸ™šŸ™šŸ™ā€

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Such a great response! I’m a diehard Trump supporter and I would never have accepted the jab or a ventilator. If people care to remember, President Trump was attacked viciously for a lack of ventilators, especially by Governor Cuomo. So many highly emotional lies were coming from that quarter. Claims of bodies being buried in mass graves and so much more.

And he gave them massive numbers of ventilators, but was sad in announcing them, since those who went on them were most likely about to die. He also turned a ship and an office building into additional hospital space for NYC, which then suddenly didn’t need it.

I have to wonder where these people who attack Trump over Covid were during all that. But perhaps they actually know what happened, but are here on a mission to

take him down. I don’t trust them.

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Annie's avatar

I think he will. And when the lying POS in the swamp won't be able to weasle and deflect their way out of it. More people are open to the fact that they were lied to including Trump. The level of treachery from the swamp and captured agencies and media has blown my eyes wide open.

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Valerie's avatar

Same. And I’ll never go back to trusting our agencies. Possibly if massive changes are made, but I doubt it. Fool me once and all…

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Kathy's avatar

And it is like this in every industry. That is why RFK has sued every industry.

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Jeff C's avatar

Yes, after the election not before.

At some point we are going to have to figure out if these people that constantly criticize Trump in the middle of the most important election in history, are just vain attention seekers or subversives. The first group we might be able to reach, the latter need to be exposed.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

No, just saying that Trump was a germophobe, clueless about basic science .

He should have asked: When have we ever locked down over a virus? Never? OK, then we're not doing it now.

I'm not a subversive. I'm a truth teller.

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Jeff C's avatar

Yes, and you spouting off about that during the election accomplishes what? The only I see it doing is pumping up your ego about how smart you think you are and parading your virtue over that of Trumps.

Like I said, vain attention seeker.

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LMWC's avatar

I have read Mark’s substack, and it is good. He has lived a life far different from my Midwest upbringing, but we all sought each other out during the covid scamdemic, to feel justified.

I believe Trump was hit with yet another snowball that turned into an avalanche quickly by way of the media. It’s when I realized that the whole of the alphabet media was the same. They wielded immense power simply by having 24/7 coverage that too many Americans treated like a family member, watching for hours. It was and continues to be a force for evil. I believe many Conservatives just went along because they believed they were helping a cause and it would get us out of this quicker. They may now believe we were panicked for no good reason, but they just want to forget about it and smile again. Life will not go back to normal, but I am finding out that’s a good thing and Mark reminds me, don’t forget, but go forward.

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Freebird's avatar

Jeff, thanks for taking this stand and making your points succinctly. I tried to read Mark’s substack for a while, he’s not a bad writer, but I soon realized that I disagreed with him at a fundamental level.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

Telling the truth makes me a "vain attention seeker?"

You sound like Dems calling vaxx opponents "misinformers."

In other words, a would-be censor who wants to suppress the truth.

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Jeff C's avatar

Look Mark, unless you think Harris will be a better choice than Trump, criticizing him up to the election serves no useful purpose. All it does is give the Dems ammunition and discourages Trump voters. After Trump wins, and we are trying to influence policy, it's a different story.

Yet people persist in doing it and there are only two explanations: 1) signaling their virtue is more important than Trump winning (vanity) or 2) they are trying to undermine Trump (deceit). Being a self-described "truth teller" does not negate a word I said above. You think that your being viewed as some sort of moral paragon is more important than a Trump win. If you didn't, you would hold your criticism until after the election.

That is vanity.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Amen and amen.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Mark, just because it’s ā€œyour truthā€ doesn’t make it Truth.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Your timing is very suspicious.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Wow. @Jeff C's remark, "You think that your being viewed as some sort of moral paragon is more important than a Trump win. If you didn't, you would hold your criticism until after the election."

A Trump win?? Who is not aware of the top tier globalist strategy - for centuries - of divide and conquer? If you are, have you considered that no matter the election outcome there will be more of the same, and potentially unrest for the history books? I can't say who, what, when, where, how but it won't be pretty. Is the thought out of line? Not virtuous or vain propounding it, just an emotionally distanced look at their game.

Hold your criticism until after the election? Another brand of censorship cloaked in shaming.

Shaking my head...

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Truth 101's avatar

Mark, I think that attempting to reason with you about Trump would parallel the experience of attempting to reason with a vaxx lover about the jabs.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Your timing is questionable.

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LMWC's avatar

I went to a Trump rally in September of 2020 in locked down MI. People waited for hours in line to see him. The airport hangar he flew into was packed. Watching Air Force I land was a thrill I will long remember. The only time the crowd became noticeably quiet was when he mentioned Warp Speed and the vaccines. They didn’t boo him, but they didn’t cheer either. We knew….

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NAB's avatar

LMWC, as a Michigan resident, what are your thoughts on the Muslim Mayor's endorsement?

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LMWC's avatar

I am in mid Michigan and don’t visit the Detroit region often, but after I have seen how Leftist Marxists have invaded Grand Rapids once a bastion of traditional Christian conservatism, I am fine with the mayor’s support of Trump.

Here in rural mid Michigan we are being invaded by solar companies. Thousands of acres of farm land are being leased for solar ā€œfarms and parksā€. The transactions are being done before neighboring homeowners know anything about it. These leases are for 30 years and paying options older farmers simply can not make farming now. Farm commodity prices are way down now where 10 years ago they were top dollar. It is tearing communities apart as long time neighbors are watching miles of unsustainable, ugly black panels being built where corn fields once stood. These panels will never be removed even though they won’t last 20 years. We have lost all common sense in the rush ā€œto get oursā€ā€¦ Yes, I am alright with a community making a stand together, but I no longer fully trust anything out there.

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NAB's avatar

That is terrible to hear about the solar panels. They are a true visual blight on the community. They are popping up in greater numbers here in Western NY too. As you say, they will be a permanent fixture on the landscape.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Tragic. The soil that feeds us is being trashed.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

Sorry for the loss of land and sanity LMWC. Solar panels that work for only 4-7 hours a day average, with maybe 15% efficiency. Sounds like a government employee. I think every solar 'farm' should have an active LED sign stating what its current output is. (if it makes enough electricity to power the sign) Every public solar array output should also be available on line so the public can monitor the good deal they are paying for.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Most of them are made in China so who knows what kind of toxic metals are in them.

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Allisall's avatar

From the perspective of someone who really didn’t pay too much attention to vaccines pre covid (I never was one to take them really), when Trump encouraged and supported development of it at the beginning, I thought it was a good thing. None of us (with some notable exceptions, none of them Trump I believe) knew in spring summer of 2020 what we were dealing with. So that Trump was behind it then does not bother me a bit. It was only subsequently when they actually hit and all the true misinformation about them began surfacing and the public health people began shutting down any dissent that my eyes were opened and I began learning more about them and vaccine ā€˜safety’ generally. Now I understand the Big Pharma/Public Health Industrial Complex. So I think he needs a break for it because from where I sit it goes in the category of ā€˜it sounded good at the time’. Just one person’s perspective.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

We DID know what we were dealing with: a respiratory virus that only killed a tiny fraction of old people.

Never a reason to lock everyone down. Not for one day.

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NAB's avatar

Mea culpas go a long way. I would appreciate them from government officials and especially from religious leaders who sold our Christian birthright for a bowl of government mandate pottage.

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

Mea culpas to passive-aggressive narcissists (the deep state, uniparty, marxist, globalist snakes) are a bad idea.

Jesus spoke in parables for the same reason... don't show all your chips to your enemies in public, don't throw your pearls to swine, and follow your own timing. Explain yourself to your own people in private. Be intentional about what you share and don't share.

Mobs will always be mobs, and that is why we are a constitutional republic and not a democracy, even if it is only on paper. It is a violated covenant. But, with God, everything is possible. We are like that lame man at the Pool of Siloam that Jesus asked, "do you want to be healed?"

Jesus surrendered Himself to be murdered by His government but not "before His time." He navigated in a way to follow His Father's timing, not that of Judas and the religious or political leaders.

And President Trump is not Jesus, and I for one, am heartened by how he's responding to God. He is not the same guy who ran in 2016 or the one who ran in 2020, IMO.

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Anita, I agree. Two assassination attempts has to be life changing and all that other crap he has endured seems to be making him stronger and smarter. He is not Jesus but he is being used by God. IMO

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My point, Anita, is that in trying to court what is likely a vanishingly small number of Dem votes of people who theoretically value the vax more than their disdain for Trump, Trump is potentially risking a greater number of votes from those who generally support him but wish he would show some humility regarding the vax issue. That's all. I agree he is a different candidate than he was in 2016.

P.S. The mea culpas are for people like me - not deep state players.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Yes, he is different. Getting shot in the head would do that...along with the 2nd attempt that was thwarted.

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

Really, the only persuadables at this point are a few Independents that are waiting to the last minute to decide if they'll even vote?

I've also identified as an Independent voter, but could never bring myself to vote Democrat.

I switched to Republican to vote for Trump in the primaries and never switched back.

It does tempt me to be infuriated when I read about the establishment GOP/RNC efforts to tamp down the America First/MAGA/grassroots delegates and party members and their initiatives. RINOs are the dregs.

I wonder if there are any Democrats that are Democrats in name only?

Hard to say. Seems unlikely, but it could be the case.

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NAB's avatar

I, too, wonder if there are any DINOs. It doesn't seem like we ever hear that pejorative, but again, Democrats have no enemies on their side. It's only the Right that likes to eat its own.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Exactly. And as I have said several times this morning...Pence was on the Covid Task Force like Kamala is the Border Tzar.

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Juju's avatar

I’m placing this in a few spots throughout the comments here from another Substack because it gives a lot of hope. From Laura Kasner:

ā€œTom Haviland did a meet and greet with Tucker when he and JD were in Hershey, PA on Saturday. He handed him a vial of the white clots embalmers are finding along with a handout explaining the results of our embalmer survey.

Seeds planted. Praying they grow. šŸ™šŸ™šŸ™ā€

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I hope that is what happens. I am worried the opposite will happen, however, that it gets swept under the rug.

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Freebird's avatar

Great comment Valerie.

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Valerie's avatar

Why thank you!

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Romgrp's avatar

The Jab’s were a world wide thingy, not just here on US soil. So-Stick that in the equation of ā€œwhere, when, WHO, and how the shot was delivered. 🧐.

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We are living in utterly parallel worlds. What does this bode for our future?

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BBS's avatar

No one around me has connected the dots. And there is DEFINITELY a civil war brewing in my neck of the woods. Each side hates the other with a passion for which it is impossible to find words.

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Check out Racket News on this topic. I thought Matt and Walter did a great job describing the foreshadowing the media and left are doing. I look forward to their future in-depth description of color revolutions. ā€œTheyā€ are working hard to bring it about in the US now.

https://www.racket.news/p/transcript-america-this-week-september-01b

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I am not your Other's avatar

I read that Barron was on the spectrum so that might explain his interest. Gates probably brought in all sorts of ā€˜experts’ to convince him the childhood jabs were all innocent. It worked on most of the world for many years. Until Covid.

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SB's avatar
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So, do they think he doesn't surround himself with smart advisors elsewhere?

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

There is no logical thought process when you’re dealing with the Trump derangement syndrome

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SB's avatar

True.

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Jaime Connor's avatar

Trump admitted that he didn’t realize how deep and corrupt our government is and some ppl he trusted purposely led him the wrong way. It was his first rodeo. He def knows better now.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Trump: ā€œThey're doing studies on the vaccines that we're gonna find out. And it'll come out one way or the other … it'll be determined, I'd say over the next 12 months.ā€

In my considered opinion, this is bologna. I’m supporting him, however, he needs to just be humble and tell the truth or say nothing.

This response turns me off

ā€œHe said we would find out soon, for certainā€

We know for certain now

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Renee Sommers's avatar

But, Dr Linda, all you need to do is read the comments on some of the other news stories out there to see we are still in the minority. People really believe they’re going to die without ā€œsafe and effectiveā€ shots. Even with all my preaching to people, my partner got the pneumonia vax at the Drs the other day because the Dr.told him it was ā€œOkay and didn’t have MNRA in it.ā€ šŸ˜³šŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ™„ And he reads C & C, but not the comments. I’m not sure what the tipping point is to make people believe that they are ALL bad.

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Agreed. Yesterday at church I spoke with a friend who just spent five days in the hospital with pneumonia. He can't understand why he got so sick in the middle of the summer since "I always take all my flu shots, I took the pneumonia vaccine and I took all the Covid shots." It would never occur to him that his immune system is severely damaged. There are things I wanted to say but kept quiet.

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Sherry 1's avatar

Nope. Time to speak up. We were FTiming. My sister announced she had Covid. I asked how she knew? Said she took a Covid test. I said that test was never intended to test for this novel virus and spits out i70% false positives so they could ramp up the fear to push the shots. She knows my position on this fake pLandemic. My husband was coughing in the background and she asked if he had Covid. I said no, we don’t test - he has a cold. So later on after chatting about other stuff and we said goodbye. She said she hoped she got over her cold soon. I agreed. I think the moral of this story is that we quit playing along with their psychosis.

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Renee Sommers's avatar

I have asthma and I always tell people I don’t get the flu shot because you’re 75% more likely to end up with an upper respiratory infection if you get the flu shot. Still…they look at you like deer in the headlights.

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Renee, I'm old now but dealt with asthma since childhood. Every "cold" would go straight to my lungs. For years I was on a steroid inhaler. About 15 years ago I decided to ditch the allopathic approach and cut out dairy, used Chinese (and other) herbs and homeopathic remedies. Asthma and seasonal allergies are all but non existent now. Oh and zero injections šŸ˜‰

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Santini Fan's avatar

My dear mother, who also dutifully got all of the shots, fell ill on 7/3 and passed away a month later.

I can’t even suggest that the shots had anything to do with her getting pneumonia to my father, who, as of Friday, has the newest Covid and flu jabs coursing through his already compromised system.

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Emumundo's avatar

I’m sorry about your mother. My mom had dementia and my brother got her vaccinated even though she hadn’t left the house in 3 years. It’s so hard to watch what happens to our parents and we are powerless to do anything. My mom was also on statins and I was told to butt out when I tried to give her some Omega 3. Prayers for your father.

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AJF's avatar

SF, I'm sorry for your loss.

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Tom's avatar

Sorry for your loss.

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Robin Greer's avatar

We are seeing the same cases here from people who received the COVID/flu shot. They are all getting sick with flu and pneumonia.

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NAB's avatar

My neighbor's 17 year old son just recovered from a serious case of fungal pneumonia. To answer the question: yes, he received three of them.

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Paula's avatar

Heartbreaking. I hope he can learn to question these cocktails.

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Annie's avatar

The scarf lady, birx, admitted to lying to Trump in her book. They all stretched the truth and out right lied.

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korigon's avatar

She was the worse. Maybe even worse than Fauci. They worship these people as experts and don't care even when they brag about lying. She also spent thanksgiving with her elderly parents.

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c Anderson's avatar

How is Birx’ opinion even relevant as she lies about virtually everything? Why would anyone buy her book of lies?

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I had side effects from the pneumonia shot. Vision problems for 18 months and balance problems that are still there, but have lessened.

Careful if you are considering the shingles vaccine. It has a FDA black box warning on it for developing Guillain-Barre Syndrome. Your doctor won't tell you.

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LiveDreamRepeat's avatar

Docs won't tell anyone about any side effects. Truth is, the risk is far greater than the reward. We stopped all shots in our fam 12 yrs ago (dogs too!) and have never looked back.

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How do you get around the Vets saying you have no choice and if you Board your pet anywhere, you have to have proof?

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Each state differs on rabies shots (you can do titers) and there is no state requirement for other vaccines, not matter what your vet says. Get another vet or a holistic one if they argue.

As to boarding, have your family/friends watch your pets. Offer the same to them.

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Merry McIntyre's avatar

My ex died from a flu shot. He got the shot, developed a serious case of the flu, couldn’t shake it, morphed into bacterial pneumonia which traveled to his heart & destroyed a valve. His doctor advised that he would be dead In 6 months without valve replacement surgery. He had the surgery & died a horrible death in a week. My son couldn’t/wouldn’t go see him when he died because his dad was unrecognizable.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Hard to "like" your comment but I wanted you to know I read it.

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Michele's avatar

So sorry for your loss.

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Paula's avatar

Not requiring doctors to inform of the potential harms is criminal.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I just had an appointment at the VA a few days ago. The nurse told me I was due for a shingles shot. I told her there was a FDA black box warning on it.

The doctor I saw told me I was due for a DTaP. She was surprised when I refused.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

The surprise was that her boat payment was gonna be a little light this month.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

I’m lucky to have an independent doctor with her own clinic. She just laughed when I had her staff annotate ā€˜no vax ever … and don’t ever ask me again about them.’

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Barbara Moser, RNC's avatar

A nurse that I work with got the pneumonia vaccine and woke up with significant hearing loss in one ear. The strain of bacteria that is in the shot damages the inner ear. Your balance is probably off because there may have been inner ear damage.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Thank you for that explanation. Someone previously suggested it might be an inner ear problem. But, I dismissed it because I did not know about the strain of bacteria that was in the shot.

What really scared me were the vision problems I had for 18 months. Thought, OMG, what just punctured my blood brain barrier?

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AJF's avatar

Renee, IMO there won't be a tipping point. Many will never admit they were bamboozled. Maybe they just won't get any more shots but they'll never admit they were wrong.

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Mrs. Mantle's avatar

It seems to me that some of us have been less brainwashed than others. Or just have good bullshit detectors. More and more I like the theory that ā€œthe matrixā€ is the vast cloud of propaganda spewed effectively through all possible means that we’ve all consumed and lives in our heads as our shared imaginary reality. Once you realize it’s all unreal propaganda and manipulation you’re going to make different choices. It makes sense to me.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

On the right track. For a deeper understanding of true history try John Coleman's work on the Committee of 300. Someone uploaded it to oceanofpdf.com last year. I just checked. Still there. No cost. Must download (pdf or epub) to read. Full title: š¶š‘œš‘›š‘ š‘š‘–š‘Ÿš‘Žš‘”š‘œš‘Ÿš‘ ' š»š‘–š‘’š‘Ÿš‘Žš‘Ÿš‘ā„Žš‘¦: š‘‡ā„Žš‘’ š‘†š‘”š‘œš‘Ÿš‘¦ š‘œš‘“ š‘”ā„Žš‘’ š¶š‘œš‘šš‘šš‘–š‘”š‘”š‘’š‘’ š‘œš‘“ 300 (+-250pp). Or go for hard copy. It's the shortest of numerous exposĆ© tomes and covers the necessaries. Aside: my recollection is that John Coleman was finally "dealt with" but I could be mistaken. Definitely targeted as he let the cat out of the bag. This was 30+ years ago. Wonder if he could have dodged amid today's oversaturation of information... Moot.

For your consideration.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

If you're not aware of it yet, look up Operation Mockingbird.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

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Renee Sommers's avatar

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAPu6EHpzRt/?igsh=bHR3OWg1NWZyNXFq

I just watched this on Instagram. It’s a bit long, but he brings up a great point at the end as to why people won’t believe what is happening until it happens to them.

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AngelaK's avatar

No Mrna? šŸ¤”

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c Anderson's avatar

Yep! It was the new platform of mRNA that was being leveraged. You nailed it!

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Tom's avatar

Did the "doctor" pinky-swear?

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

When I read this, I recalled a saying that goes something like this.

The human race has all fallen together, but we all repent and become redeemed individually, something to that effect.

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Nancy Benedict's avatar

Sounds Biblical actually.

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Swedecelt's avatar

Oh shoot Rosie, so frustrating after showing him the harms from the Covid shot. Maybe now open his eyes to ALL vaxxes and hopefully he will never take another!!! šŸ™šŸ«¶šŸ»

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I can’t imagine there is anything Trump (or anyone else, even on the left) can say that will sway my 35-year-old son and his wife that the jabs are bad. Not only are they fully vaxxed and masked and socially distant, they require anyone who comes in contact with their 6-month-old son (my only grandchild!!) to be fully vaxxed for Covid, flu, rsv, and Dtap until the boy is fully vaxxed himself.šŸ˜” I have only seen our grandson once (at 6 days old, from a distance), and when I asked to hold him for just 5 minutes, I was told no. I have no relationship with my son and DIL now (their decision). I keep praying for the truth to come out, but they are so entwined in the lies that it will take a miracle for them to see the light.

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NAB's avatar

Holding back tears reading this because I worry this is the path my daughter will take. Prayers for you, Lori, and for your son and his wife:

Oh, LORD Jesus, soften their hearts and open their eyes. Comfort and console Lori. Bestow on her son the humility to recognize his offense and grant healing within their family.

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TeacherLori's avatar

I’ve often thought about starting a support group, but I don’t know how to go about that. It’s so hard to believe that children will do this to their parents, but I know I’m not the only one. Prayers for you, too.šŸ™šŸ¼šŸ™šŸ¼šŸ™šŸ¼

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Betsy Frost's avatar

My children have not been quite so extreme but my exposure sure seems to be limited and I closely watch what I say in their presense fearful that I do not get to see my grandchild at all. The pain that this has caused us is difficult to bear. It is a blessing we have received by Substack in giving us some connection with others in our situation.

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I agree; Substack and ā€˜x’ have provided an outlet for connection. Living near Seattle where it’s still crazy leaves me hesitant to share too much unless I know for certain they would understand.

And the thing is, it’s not just a one-time get vaxxed and see my grandchild; it will be a lifetime of being current on whatever vax and protocols my son and his wife feel are necessary to protect their son. I can’t sign on to that.

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Juliann's avatar

I was told to get the shot before I could ā€œmeet the babyā€. I declined nicely.

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Peace's avatar

TeacherLori - this is so incredibly sad. I can't imagine your heartbreak at having this division in your family. I pray they will have their eyes opened and a reconciliation is in your future at some point.

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Thank youšŸ™šŸ¼šŸ™šŸ¼šŸ™šŸ¼

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PEL's avatar

Wow that is messed up. So very sorry. Am sure they believe they are educated and smarter than others in this regard. Simply awful.

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Juju's avatar

So sorry to hear this Lori. šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜¢ I feel your pain. I was canceled by our family and by our daughter before Covid even happened, but for all the same selfish and arrogant reasons of people believing you couldn’t voice opposing opinions without consequences. I speak truth readily and confidently and that made me a threat to their desire for control over various narratives. So … I know deeply the pain all of you have faced these past four years, but before Covid nobody could understand or empathize with me. It was lonely beyond words. They couldn’t fathom that a family would cancel culture their own at that time. Now unfortunately many understand how it’s possible.

Anyway, I share the ache of not being able to see grandkids or your own son and all that it causes you to miss out on. Sending you a meaningful digital hug. šŸ«‚

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Nancy Benedict's avatar

I hesitated to "like" this as it is so tragic. I speak Jesus over you today Lori, for a miracle.

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Paula's avatar

I'm so sorry for your loss. So devastating what has happened to families with all the fear porn.

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DrDoug's avatar

This is so shockingly sad. Another good reason to follow Dr Tom Cowan and Dr Sam Bailey, and Jamie Andrews. They are doing the work that undermines the entire concept of viruses upon which most of the vaccine church stands

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Barbara Moser, RNC's avatar

Pray Teacher Lori. I was uninvited to my nieces baby shower back in November of 2020 because I was unvaccinated. I was really upset and hurt. I never said anything to my sister and I just mailed the gift. Then guess what happened. My sister got sick during the shower!! Yes, she the vaccinated one got Covid. In time, God will reveal to your son & dil the truth.

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Michele's avatar

Praying for them to see the light as well. Sorry you are going through this.

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Jaime Connor's avatar

God is still a miracle worker. My daughter and son in law were the same. I am now the official baby sister for all three babiesā€¦šŸ˜†

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Sherry 1's avatar

🄺😢😭

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Except for the VA.

Which is still pushing the covid death vax.

Here is a link to their most current guidance dated 4 September 2024. Scroll down a little and read the insanity of the VA recommending the covid DeathVax to pregnant and nursing women.

I just want to f'ing scream.

Here is the link:

https://www.va.gov/health-care/covid-19-vaccine/about-covid-19-vaccine/

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Cindi's avatar

In New Mexico they’re STILL running ads for the death vax, including for kids

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Every state. Every single one!

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Cindi's avatar

Given what is irrefutable proof now, it’s maddening that ā€œofficialsā€ are STILL getting away w/ this, & w/ ZERO consequence. We will not have won this war until those in charge are severely punished….

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Every pharmacy!

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Debbie Alton's avatar

This pisses me off so much. I can't turn on the radio or TV because of these ads. It is like a gut punch since my sister died of turbo cancer because of these jabs. Yes, I live in NM too.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Why I refuse to watch tv or listen to the radio.

They killed my BIL. And, I can’t keep up with the people, in my local church, who’ve been diagnosed with cancer.

I’m sorry for your loss.

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Cindi's avatar

So sorry for your loss, Debbie 😢

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Renee Sommers's avatar

Not surprising given the first thing you see when you enter the state is a huge billboard saying they support abortion. šŸ™„

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BBS's avatar

Oh, Renee, Renee...It is not "abortion;" it is "reproductive health." And don't you know that every woman is entitled to "reproductive health." Pretty words. Pleasing words. I don't know what they are calling the murdered baby these days.

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I was driving and couldn’t take a picture, but I’m pretty sure it said ā€œabortionā€ because I was surprised they were so open about it. NM is such a crappy state anyway. Maybe Taos is nice, but the rest of is unbelievably poor and desolate. It was on our way out of Commie California.

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Jamison's avatar

Saw an ad yesterday with John Legend showing off his bandaids.

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Cindi's avatar

His wife is a pig so anyone who’d marry that is a mental midget &/or he got saline

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Mrs. Mantle's avatar

It’s still everywhere I think, the ads.

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Sarah Bee's avatar

California too

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SJacob1957's avatar

Especially in NY 😩

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korigon's avatar

Afs for trials in Idaho are coming up on my Facebook including for kids. The comments are brutal which is good.

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Special Ted's avatar

Kathleen...there's a meme floating around social media that made me think of you. It's just a drawn picture of a VA medical center with a sign that reads, "VA...Making the war your second-worst experience."

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

lol

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carily myers's avatar

lol, like

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Michele's avatar

"When you’re up to date on your COVID-19 vaccines, you can do more."

They forgot to say... "or less."

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Robin Greer's avatar

The government made those shots and they sticking to their story no matter what.

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Sherry 1's avatar

Yes. Huge transfer of wealth. TAXPAYERS bought those shots. They are NOT ā€˜free’. How much of those Billions paid to Pharma take a little side-trip to DEMS, Fauci, CDC, FDA, DOD, White House POCKETS.

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Jenn's avatar

Off topic, but thank you posting this link too! My kids and I recently drove to PA for a concert and they know I have been a die hard C&C reader these past 4 years. And they know I know I appreciate all the other regular commenters. So as we passed into PA, I yelled, "Pennsylvania cheats!" Haha! They looked at me funny and then I told them your mantra. I said to them, "Well, I said this in solidarity with Kathleen Janoski!" šŸ˜ƒšŸŽ‰

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Thank you!

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Deb Comerford's avatar

Short answer…..They are a government agency!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

And the Secretary of Veterans Affairs is not even a veteran.

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Juju's avatar

And here in IL drive thru pharmacies are still promoting and urging all the new vaccines that are available. It angers me so much.

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Truth 101's avatar

Saw a long list when entering grocery store in NY state of all the wonderful vaccines now available in the pharmacy.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Absolutely. I don't even get the political reasoning.

VaxTards aren't changing their opinion at this point and flipping their vote based on new vaccine science disclosures.

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

He will be destroyed if he were to come out now and say ā€œI was wrongā€. Tptb would literally destroy any chance at election. So he has to keep his mouth shut. Unfortunately that’s how this works. The minute he does that, the scream stream media would have him be the first official charge of genocide!

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Kathy Lux's avatar

Yeah, one only has to open their eyes and look around to be totally convinced the jab was one of the most egregious substances ever forced upon humanity. The fallout will take years to fully appreciate. May God help us.

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Kent's avatar

I agree, Trump's response was anemic. If he doesnt KNOW by now the vax campaign was a giant LIE, he's still not up to date on information that the rest of now have. I think he believed the (fake) vax was authentic because he was advised by his "experts" but the formulas got changed while he was out touting them. In a strange, strange way, yes his actions may have 'saved millions' but it killed millions too bec they followed his advice. I'd never vote for him if there was a better candidate but since he's running against that clown Harris, I'll have to place a check next to this name on the ballot.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Biden forced people to take the covid DeathVax with his mandates.

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Juju's avatar

You’re not just voting for him. You’re voting for his team, and he has gathered some fantastic people around him that will make a difference. Trust him to continue to do that and to give them the space and power they need to fix this mess.

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c Anderson's avatar

And what was Trump’s advice that forces you to vote for Harris and Walz who implemented mandates on vaccines, masks, etc?

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Padrig's avatar

It is the false dichotomy of two parties. Pharisees or Sadducees, take your pick. We need a movement of the non-voting that only votes third party. Bring back the Know-Nothing party!

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

the dichotomy for me in most things (all things?), is between Pharisees and Sadducees on one side colluding with "Rome," and Jesus and his followers on the other.

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Padrig's avatar

Yes, but that one isn't false. Praise the Lord.

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Juju's avatar

Quoting another commenter Laura Kasner to give people some hope here:

ā€œTom Haviland did a meet and greet with Tucker when he and JD were in Hershey, PA on Saturday. He handed him a vial of the white clots embalmers are finding along with a handout explaining the results of our embalmer survey.

Seeds planted. Praying they grow. šŸ™šŸ™šŸ™ā€

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Sam's avatar

Last time he promised to release the Kennedy files. He didn’t. Nuff said.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I read somewhere that the Kennedy family talked him out of it...

Does anyone know for sure?

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Tom's avatar

We have known for certain ever since "the science had changed" and was no longer a rigorous process, but a liar in a white coat.

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Not That ā€œKarenā€'s avatar

Trump be humblešŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚. Have you ā€œmetā€ Trump? I think this sentence says it all, ā€œAnd it'll come out one way or the other … it'll be determinedā€. To me that is a pretty clear and unambiguous message and tells you everything you need to know. If it was good news it wouldn’t have to come out ā€œone way or another.ā€

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Padrig's avatar

<<This response turns me off>> It does me as well. If there is a political reason for it, then it also turns me off of politics. Some things should rise above politics. Life itself should be above politics. He was the only person that could convince uninformed Republicans. Does anyone expect him to get in office and then recant his statements? Will he say that instead of saving millions of lives he damaged and ended lives? He doesn't even use the currently popular excuse of "we did the best we could with limited information." We can't know but experience teaches us not to expect it.

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

I see it as more of the case of one person plants a seed, another waters, God produces the harvest.

Trump plants subtle seeds.

Instead of watering them, we keep digging them up...

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

"We" do, now, for sure. I suspect Mr. Trump had other people in mind with his "We".

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WP William's avatar

Yes, it's a B.S. sandwich and we ain't eating it

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Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

Hamtramck is a great example that no cultures respect the LGBTQ+ mob. If you want to trigger a leftist cognitive dissonance meltdown, tell them Islam is right about gays and women. The woke jihad coalition is fracturing: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/how-to-wage-a-progressive-jihad

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Not a fan of the religion, but at least a silver lining.

Whereas Judaism says nasty things about Christ (was not a virgin birth, the bible is full of 'mistranslations', Jesus was impure, etc https://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/ ).

But the Muslim faith holds Christ in the highest regard as a prophet.

"Jesus (peace be upon him) has a special status in Islam. He’s the servant of God and the bearer of the Gospels." https://yaqeeninstitute.org/read/post/who-is-jesus-in-islam

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Seeking Grace's avatar

@BFM well, except Muslims are instructed in their laws to convert everyone to Islam, and if they refuse to convert, to k*ll them. So I’m OK with a few nasty things being said about me vs being taken out if I don’t convert. But that’s just me šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

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Based Florida Man's avatar

I'm referring to Jeff's post today, where we got a rare win from Muslims helping us by voting against degeneracy.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Mayor Ghalib’s endorsement is encouraging. First and second-generation immigrants often understand the American Dream better than many of us.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

One side promotes LGBT, the other doesn't. Did you read Jeff's post today?

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Special Ted's avatar

Abortion access is a Jewish value. Just ask them.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

For more on the topic, check with The World Jewish Congress.

This quick video goes over all the tenants of modern Jewish advocacy: feminism, unlimited immigration, globalism, homosexuality, transgenderism, and The Vaccine Industry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtaL5xaSxcE

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Enemies of the Republic that vote for my friend of the Republic are my friends too. šŸ«ØšŸ˜µā€šŸ’«

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

Allies, not friends?

Let's put out the fire, THEN haggle about how to rebuild the house?

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CK's avatar

Muslims are infinitely better than jews. Literally every problem we face was created by jews. They believe the Christ is boiling in excrement and semen. They believe you are of less value than cattle. Their Talmud says that it’s okay to lie to you and to deceive you. Yes, Muslims are better in every single way. Saying that I would prefer that neither has a significant role in our society. Neither should be politically influential, neither should have influence over our media, finance or education let alone basically run those institutions which is what is happening now.

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

On this one cultural identity issue, yeah, it seems more in sync with nature and Nature's God, our Creator.

It's likely that there could be an agenda that isn't so innocent in a long game.

I'll trust God to fix that.

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WP William's avatar

American Muslims have been propagandized to hate Republican party and join in with the Dem Coalition as much as any other group. Perhaps the ascendency of the Strident LGBsTd on the totem pole along with the cautious but enforced silencing of all Pro-Palestine Dem politicians and the overwhelming support of Harris by the Warmonger-Foreign Meddling Complex has caused a departure for one brave mayor who will certainly (as he alludes) be targeted for his openly stated position.

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nt's avatar

Another point here is Kamala is a WOMAN !

Along with their LGBTQ stance, Muslim’s aren’t to keen on women leading outside the home. Very definite masculine/feminine rolls !

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

Comma-la is a Jezebel.

She does not represent ME.

Anymore than transwomen represent biological women in sports.

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nt's avatar

Haha I do get your distaste !

But to avoid the confusion propagated by the left, I was going with the definition of woman being :

an adult human female

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Love it, Yuri! Politics and bedfellows.....

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A Guy from South Florida's avatar

"In 2021, Hamtramck became the first city in the United States with an all-Muslim government "

I am sorry, but I have a problem of an all-Muslin government being stablished. They have radical beliefs and some have issues assimilating....eventually one city becomes two, three, four....and then we're looking like the UK. I am not opposed to a Muslim being in government position, but all-Muslim is not right for this country. Imaging an all-Christian city somewhere in Alibaba land? Granted it will never happen because they hate everyone that is non-Muslim but just imagine....

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Jacquijacq's avatar

I agree but isn’t it interesting that they have joined the fight to keep filth out of schools. Sometimes an alliance is a good thing

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A Guy from South Florida's avatar

yeah because they dont like that filth, but they also dont like Christians.

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Jeff C's avatar

I'm a Christian and believe Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Those that don't accept Him will perish. But I also understand much of what we've been fed about Islam is a propaganda used to stoke and justify never-ending neocon wars.

The Muslims I know are sweet, decent people who don't despise Christians. They do despise people that have been whipped up into anti-Islam frenzy for blatant political purposes. And unlike most milquetoast Christians, they actually stand up for what they believe. Muslims exhibited far more backbone against the homosexual onslaught than the typical "turn the other cheek" Christian. When the Olympics mocked Christ and the Last Supper, the only countries that officially condemned it were Muslim nations. Not a peep out of the US, Europe, or Israel.

At some point hopefully you'll realize that your emotions have been manipulated to make you hate an entire group you hardly know. And it was done specifically to advance the interests of the neocon agenda, and to dupe gullible Americans into fighting Israel's wars.

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NAB's avatar

As with any group, there are shades of gray. As an electrical engineer, my husband has worked with many Muslims over the years. Without exception, they have been moderate, American-loving people. One told my husband how he had to change mosques, though, because it was teaching extreme anti-Americanism and promoting extremist ideology. So, those mosques are out there and have many adherents. I think we should welcome alliances where they forward our interests but also enter into them with eyes wide open and recognize that our views likely will not always align.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Agree. We have far less to fear from non-radical, God-fearing Muslims than we do the average atheist. Radicals of every stripe are bad news, like radical Christian John Brown. Can’t say he started the Civil War, but he gets a gold star for violence.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

seems a mutual feeling. Having a friend living next to a Muslim family I must say I would prefer them to lots of other families. They are very friendly, helped my friend repair sewing machine, bring Candies over when they make them (often), and when at first the wife did not speak the language, the husband urged her to do so. Lovely people. May be reading up both sides of the crusades helps, too. (Christians asked for a break to have mass. Muslims gave it to them. Then Muslims asked a prayer break. Christians killed almost every one of them)

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AngelaK's avatar

Muslims and Christians have lived peacefully and respectfully side by side in places like Syria and Palestine for centuries.

My A/C guy is from Jordan. I assume he is Muslim. He is so super respectful.

There are just as many faces and cases of Islamic behavior and ideas as there are of Christianity.

Don't forget that all the deplorable debauchery lifestyle types and most of our deplorable leaders here and in the EU are also considered 'Christian' by other groups.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Look at Lebanon over the centuries. Muslims and Christians lived harmoniously all that time. But of course they're all getting bombed heavily now.

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Mrs. Mantle's avatar

Thank you. Truth.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

They don't like filth but they approve of it. They lie as much as any one but they have no Savior but themselves. Of course there could be a few that are decent but it isn't their religion!

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AngelaK's avatar

It is their particular cultures, and religious customs play a part. Some middle Eastern cultures have very nice people. One thing some of their cultures have which is beautiful is humility.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

This is where the differentiation between RC "Christians and most others need to be recognized. Fun that RC also has killed as many OTHER Christians as it has Muslims!! Get the facts right.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Still, Muslims hate the Word of God and love their own evil man because he offers more sex in heaven.

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AngelaK's avatar

Much of IsIam doesn't believe in that type of afterlife. Islam borrowed alot from Christianity in many places (Ottoman empire) and their belief of the afterlife mirrors that of traditional Orthodox Christianity. (where they lived together under Ottomans, such as Turkey)

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DrDoug's avatar

Yes, doesn't it seem like every other church these days flies a rainbow flag?

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A Guy from South Florida's avatar

not at my Catholic church, I've seen it at a united church of Christ with the 'we welcome everyone' yard sign with the rainbow colors as well. to each it's own but that should not be a requirement, we are all welcome, no need for a sign.

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Bob Jacquemotte's avatar

It once was all Polish immigrants leading the city.

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wily_coyote-genius's avatar

Polish and Ukrainian. It had the largest Polish/Ukrainian festival in North America at one time. I have/had many relatives there. They’ve all moved out because of the infiltration. My cousin just moved fromDearborn Heights because the neighborhood has changed so much

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WP William's avatar

perhaps Springfield, OH needs an ALL Haitian City Leadership to really fix all the hate and misinformation about that city

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Or, they could go back to their own country and fix it up.

Why do they have to come to White-majority countries?

Couldn't they just walk next door to Dominican Republic?

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Yep. They're neighbors and know the Haitians well.

We should heed their wisdom.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

The Dominicans want nothing to do with the Haitians who share half the island with the DR.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Exactly.

And America doesn't need them either.

They will bring their 3rd world, low-IQ ways with them.

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c Anderson's avatar

Little Haiti with a leash-free pet park? 😹

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Springfield mayor owns properties that rents out to Haitians.

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A Guy from South Florida's avatar

I am not an expert, but a quick google search says Catholicism is the primary faith in Poland (says it's declining). So a Polish person is more aligned with the belief of people in the US.

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shayne's avatar

Just like all Christians can't be jammed into one box, neither can all Muslims be jammed into one box, and if I'm going there, not all Jews are jammed into one box.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

But their guiding principles can be - what the Quran instructs them. For instance, what are the rules around women and their personal freedom?

And how about Sharia law, are they to work toward that goal?

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SB's avatar

At least they are up front about it and doing it legally (in theory) unlike the Chinese who are running underground police states inside our country.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

But are they here legally?

I doubt it it very much.

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Cowgirl Dee's avatar

I had similar thoughts about this story. There should be no government but an American government that adheres strictly to the United States constitution!

I’m glad they endorsed Trump. However, they cry crocodile tears when their culture is rejected or ridiculed but have no qualms rejecting the gobbledegook letter culture. Just saying.

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It doesn’t matter if ā€œAlibaba landā€ does or doesn’t do anything because this is the USA, not ā€œAlibaba landā€. The domino theory has never come to fruition naturally, it takes coercion and deception to have that claim take hold. Every citizen has a right/freedom to vote, if we don’t allow an all-islamic city council, the next thing will be (fill in the blank). Arizona got too liberal, that’s why I have been in BEAUTIFUL Lower Alabama for over 12 years.

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

They would blow that city up immediately.

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

A Guy from South Florida,

God is not in buildings or cities, but in The Body of Christ, which probably exists even in Muslim/Islamic countries, regardless of government. I have heard testimony of conversions in private in countries like Iran, for example.

Jesus went into Samaria and spoke to a fallen woman to reveal Himself as Messiah publicly for the first time.

His parable about loving your neighbor was about a good Samaritan, not a good Jew.

So should we only talk to others just like ourselves, and not find any common ground in order to introduce better ways of governing?

(l enjoyed seeing these things portrayed in The Chosen series!)

Yes, an all-Christian city would be divine, but Christians aren't perfect Christ followers, and we need to acknowledge that we, too, are sinners, and guard our hearts from having a religious spirit, and cling to The Holy Spirit in all these things. Will we have a perfect Christian city before Jesus returns? Will a Christian city become a Tower of Babel?

I would love for US to be a Christian city in The Spirit, here on earth. :)

Yes, imagine how sweet would be the fruit of that city.

Blessings,

Anita

Don't read me saying what I'm not saying. I'm not saying sharia law is not abhorrent to me, it is. We need to be wise as serpents, and as innocent as doves, in these times and places.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

I’m wondering about Sharia law. are they working toward that end?

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Jeff, I just want to thank you for your positive, encouraging perspective that you share with us every day. My dad, who lived with very serious and life threatening health problems from childhood until he died at age 73 (which was a miracle of its own) had that same optimism that was grounded in his faith and personality. I miss him and his wisdom but you remind me of him in your views and humorous style of writing. And just to clarify, I’m quite sure I’m much older than you! But I appreciate your posts and want you to know that.

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rolandttg's avatar

Jeff,

I agree with your take on why Trump is handling the jab issue the way he is. I also say that I agree with those bloggers I follow who said Trump was faced with two bad choices, as so often happens in war. Let the cabal roll out the jabs on their timeline, and have the people endure 5 years of lockdowns until everyone was willing to do anything "to go back to normal", including getting jabbed, or jump the gun before they were ready, force an end to the lockdowns, and have them rollout the jabs before the pipeline was full so many got saline instead. Anyone who listened closely to Trump OR did their own thinking, knew he did not endorse the actual jabs, nor were they a good idea period. . He often referred to Ivermectin and HCQ as vaccines, but Trump haters keep forgetting that. He also made it very clear you absolutely did not want to ever go on a ventilator. Holy cow. How difficult was it people? Never before was a safe vaccine developed for a coronavirus. Never before was a vaccine approved in less than 7 years. Stop blaming Trump if you got jabbed and were over 18 , , and look in the mirror for the only person to blame.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I agree with your comment to a point.

Some people had no choice. Example the military.

Take the shot and possibly be injured.

Refuse the shot and you will be kicked out of the military with possibly a less than honorable discharge. You will lose access to all veteran's benefits including health care, education, home loans, pensions, and be forced to pay back any reenlistment bonuses, etc. You as the military member will be homeless, along with your family. And if you have a family member with a serious health problem, too bad, your spouse or your kids might just die with the loss of active duty military medical care.

And forget about about seeking a religious exemption. The Secretary of Defense directed all religious exemptions to be denied.

It was truly a "Sophie's choice."

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Thoughtful's avatar

I respectfully disagree.

I come from a military family, so I know the stakes. I don't say this lightly or to insult you or anyone else who served, but the US military was probably my greatest disappointment in all of these past 4 years.

They actually DIDN'T have a choice (on jabs) - "Sophie's" or otherwise. They had a DUTY to REJECT this un-Constitutional tyranny and the vast majority of them didn't. They took an OATH to uphold that Constitution and to refuse unlawful orders. The vast majority didn't. They are oath breakers: for money, convenience and to avoid conflict with superiors.

Of all the terrifying things these last four years have wrought, the men and women in the US Military's complacent self-interest and enabling of the evil that has been injected into our nation is ...well... soul wrenching to me. (and that statement includes people in my immediate family) šŸ˜­šŸ˜ž I cannot trust them to uphold their oaths to refuse the NEXT unlawful orders. God preserve us... for the US military won't.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Unless you served, and have a DD214 to prove it, your comment has no merit.

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Thoughtful's avatar

I think my father's 24 year career, my brother's 22 year career, my brother-in-law's 15 year career (not to mention the careers of at least half a dozen other men and women in my family tree) "merit" my ability to have an opinion. You're - of course - free to have your own. A DD214 isn't a predicate to having a voice in these United States of America.

We all have choices. Some of them are hard.

If more of our military had kept their oath, the evil perpetrators of this crime against humanity would have given up the game much sooner.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

You never served.

You never took an oath to support and defend the Constitution.

You never wore the uniform.

You were never on deployment.

You were never in a combat zone.

It is offensive that you spouted off: "They had a DUTY to REJECT this un-Constitutional tyranny and the vast majority of them didn't."

You never made the ultimate sacrifice.

What you are doing is living vicariously through the sacrifices of other people who actually cared enough about this country to don the uniform and be willing to die for this country.

They did the hard stuff.

You chose to take the easy route.

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Thoughtful's avatar

You are certifiable.

Active duty members take an OATH. That oath includes the duty to refuse to obey un-Constitutional orders from those in the chain of command. Do you deny it?

You cannot deny it.

I took an oath when I swore to defend the Constitution in my own profession.

My uniform is that of a patriot, a mother, a wife, a daughter, a taxpayer, a constituent, a US citizen, and a follower of Christ. I wore that uniform every day through the p(l)andemic.

My combat zone was in my home, in my neighborhood, in my kids' schools, in my extended family, in every airport, in every grocery store, in every government-owned building, in every school board meeting, in every airplane, and across the entire globe.

It is offensive that you - presumably a former member of the US military (although I won't demean your service by asking you to provide it with your "papers" - for shame...) - spout off that the DUTY I referenced and the OATH that you took is offensive simply because I "didn't make the ultimate sacrifice." Is that the rule? If so, you're not dead. Maybe you shouldn't speak either, if your rule is to be followed.

I am not living vicariously. My route was not "easy." How dare you tell the spouses and parents and daughters and sons and brothers and sisters of those in service that they don't matter or that their "route" is "easy" as they send their most beloveds off to defend our freedoms. How dare you imply that their/our views about our military, OURS (not yours alone), don't count.

YOU. SERVE(D). AT. THE. PLEASURE. AND. DIRECTION. OF. THE. PEOPLE. (And by that I mean the People of these United States.) Lest you forgot.

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rolandttg's avatar

You are quite right , and the mandate put a horrible choice on so many people. I told my now departed daughter from the time she was old enough to understand English Life is not fair. Deal with it. Get over it. The mandate was a perfect example. Your job or the jab. I get it. But it's still a job. The jab was your health, perhaps your life. Our former son in law was faced with exactly this decision . He is a Navy officer nurse who was in charge of one of the ancillary clinics at Quantico at the time. He was one of the last 3 hold outs in his command. I urged him not do to do it. Start a new life, because without your health, you have nothing. He caved because of his new (worthless) wife when his commander and one other officer cornered him in his office and gave him an ultimatum.

I feel I am in a position to say to others it was still ultimately your choice, regardless of the circumstances, because I found myself in a similar position almost 20 years earlier. I worked for a large corporation who had waxed their intentional HQ in the US due to legal assaults. 28 years of service, full retirement at 55 with 30 years. I was Almost 50. the company was forced by my John Wayne like / Finest band I ever knew boss to ofer an early retirement offer ( they had done these a number of times before to reduce force) to all International employees slated for the street. I missed qualifying by 2 months!. 6 Figure retirement defined pension, best benefit package outside the federal government. Bye.

I knew where enough bodies were buried I could have forced the companies hand to find me a job until I hit 55. But, I would have had to have not only embrace what was the beginnings of DEI woke happy talk culture, at my level, I would have had to preach it to my employees. And I am no whore, and refused to sell my soul for a job. Our department was the only one in the entire company that never went to diversity class, or any of the many "retreats" to embrace gays, blacks, women, and equity. My boss kept all that off our backs. And I was not going to become a whore now. So I found jobs for all those who wanted them in my department, and when they were all gone, turned out the lights and left.

I left a job because of personal integrity, so I am sorry when I hear others say they would have lost their job if they refused the. My old boss always told his management he came in the door looking for a job, and can leave the same way. Management was terrified of him, because he knew where all the bodies were buried, had impeccable integrity, and no fear of his losing his job. they had ne ver seen anyone like him. Me neither.

Final point. If any of the people who got jabbed to keep their jobs got serious side effects, and many did, how did that help their families?

It's still just a job, not your life.

Life is not fair. Get over it. Deal Wirth it.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I often wondered what I would have done if I was still active duty.

Until recently, I was not a anti-vaxxer.

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Jean V's avatar

I've had that thought many times. While I was active duty, I took all of them without question (including Anthrax to go to Korea in 2011), although I managed to skip the flu shot/drench a couple of times.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I took them all except for anthrax.

Even after retirement, I kept up to date with all shots and always a yearly flu shot.

It wasn't until I had side effects from the pneumonia shot, and the draconian tactics from trying to force people to take an experimental mRNA gene therapy, did I turn into a hardened anti-vaxxer.

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AwakeProtector's avatar

My story is similar in many ways. I am financially so much poorer, but I have never regretted my decision, not even for a second. I left to homeschool my children, thankfully before the covid era, but I also left because I could see that the high road was sinking fast. Congrats on your decision.

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Michele's avatar

I left a good job as well. No regrets.

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Michele's avatar

"I left a job because of personal integrity"

Same. No regrets.

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rolandttg's avatar

Like the 'Roo's say, "good on ya, mate".

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Kathy's avatar

It is heinous how they were treated.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

People in every industry were terrorized by the mandates.

I saw actually fear in a person's eyes when he was told to either take the shot or be fired.

Another friend of mine took the shot because he saw his fellow employees being fired for their refusal.

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Padrig's avatar

There were also stealth firings of people that refused. Some companies cajoled employees with the pending OSHA requirements and when that fell through found other ways of ridding themselves of the noncompliant.

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Sherry 1's avatar

Disgusting. Those men pretending to be women shoving this crap on enlisted military deserve court Marshall’s. They seem to want to purge the force of people who will not follow their orders BUT with personal health, they do not have to. I have never seen anything this WRONG in my life.

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AJF's avatar

Kathleen šŸ’ÆšŸŽÆ

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Inverted Pyramid's avatar

What Trump promotes is his ā€œwarp speedā€. A single person can only do so much. Laying out the logistics is what Trump did; he cleared the way for something to be accomplished. Nobody can hold Trump to the efficacy of the jab anymore than you can hold Trump responsible for a poorly diagramed third down play, in the third quarter of last week’s game against LSU.

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Kent's avatar

"faced with two bad choices" is a truth I've been seeing and it may be correct. I would have preferred if Trump actually said that in the interview. But you are right he did often refer to Ivermectin and HCQ but you had to read between the lines to get that and I believe a lot of Americans missed that subtlety. Many died because they missed his 'signals'.

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c Anderson's avatar

Trump is not a doctor. There are laws prohibiting the practice of medicine without a license. That is the reason he waits for the research to come out. āš•ļø

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

The research is out. He's still waiting.

He's feeding you a line of bullshit in the meantime.

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c Anderson's avatar

The flipping and I use that term specifically, flipping science, is NOT OUT or we would have the FDA/NIH/CDC saying something about it. There would be warnings and changes on recommendation of usage. You working for Putin or something? Like Fauci, Putin is the science. Watch TV and you will see advertisements for mRNA vaccines. Sheesh. šŸ™„

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Robin Greer's avatar

Many died because of the government and the media.

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AJF's avatar

Kent, I also know the government uses mafia like tactics. What would any of us do under those circumstances?

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rolandttg's avatar

People die in war, absolutely no way to avoid it. Most of the people who have died in this war have either forgotten how to think, or delegated thinking to so called experts. If you think back, some pretty humble, pretty "uneducated" people, ie. our parents and grandparents, were far smarter, and far better thinkers, than what humanity is now. My mother was pretty clueless on so many things, but she never trusted Big Pharma,, noting all the side effects of everything, and eighth grade education dad hated royalty and never trusted Big Oil. He also hated what he thought were the Jews, but I have learned to be the Khazarian fake Jews who rule over us, and we are battling now in this war to end all wars.

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John infinity N's's avatar

šŸŽÆ with the Khazarian Jews, also a mix of Edomites.

By the way, does rolandttg mean Roland the thompson gunner by chance? Just wondering cause that song Roland the headless thompson gunner by Warren Zevon played this morning on my playlist again and I just noticed your name.

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rolandttg's avatar

6 likes for you. So few people get it. Not my name, obviously. When the internet was starting out, I waited 2 years before I decided upon a user ID I wanted to keep for life . In all fairness, I had a secretary, and a reasonably computer savvy wife, so it was a want to get on the internet, not a need . Rolandthtg was taken, so I went with just Rolandttg. it's the first verse anyway before "that son of a bitch Van Owen blew off Roland's head". Big Zevon fan. Taken far too early at 55,. I still think "little old ladies got mutilated late last night" is the best example of alliteration in rock.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Ah-oooo...

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Excellent Subtack from FedsForFreedom.

In the video clip with Jimmy Dore and Dr. David Martin, watch Jimmy's face when he comes to the realization that covid, and the covid death shots, were created to kill humanity.

Lots of other good info in the Substack. Here is the link:

https://fedsforfreedom.substack.com/p/sars-cov-2-is-a-bioweapon?utm_source=substack&publication_id=443959&post_id=149222899&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=email-share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=true&r=x3cu&triedRedirect=true

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Lon Guyland's avatar

When posting links you should delete the ā€œ?ā€ and everything after it because that’s just tracking data.

This, on the theory that any kind of tracking is all risk and no reward.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Thank you! I learn so much from other commenters.

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NAB's avatar

Thank you! I did not know this but will remember it going forward.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Thanks, I was unaware of the ? being a tracker.

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BBS's avatar

Me, too. Good to know.

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

Thank you.

I learn something new every day.

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c Anderson's avatar

Thanks LG.

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Beckadee's avatar

I'm so glad you shared that. A good friend is coming into town tonight and I'm showing it to her. If I have to hold her eyes open with toothpicks she's gonna watch it! Every time I mentioned how bad the vax was and to please be careful she gave a nervous haha. I'm also sending it to the neighbor behind me whose husband is an ER doctor and I was trying to talk to him about Remdesivir etc and he was mute.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Thanks for that one Kathleen. I copied the link into an email body so I could delete from ? on. Just finished watching it, with several go-back-to-hear-this-statement-agains.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Yes, keep posting it everywhere you know!

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Mom of 5's avatar

They started as Feds for Med Freedom

And they helped federal employees who did not want to take the vaccine. My daughter was one person they helped after the Biden administration mandated federal employees take the shot and fought religious exemptions.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Good morning. Let’s see what the week has in store for us.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Good morning from cheating Pennsylvania.

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Chevrus's avatar

Good morning from ā€œwhere the fhaak-R-we: Maineā€

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On an island's avatar

Good morning from GrWretched Michigan. 🤪

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

MI is even worse than PA.

You have my sympathy and prayers.

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On an island's avatar

Lol thanks Kathleen. Yeah we have a trifecta+ of awfulness in charge here.

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BBS's avatar

I live in Ohio where DeWine is king. Shouldn't I get some kind of bonus points for living under him? I cannot even look at that man's face.

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On an island's avatar

So long as you're not in Springfield, you get the consolation prize of not having your property devalued from human trafficking of Haitians.

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Sue Rosenthal's avatar

Good morning from stupid California :)

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Cowgirl Dee's avatar

Is that a meme? You know you can’t meme in California šŸ˜‚

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Sue Rosenthal's avatar

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚. I'm too stupid to meme. Quite sure all those brilliant truth slaying memes our governor hates are coming from smarter states. ;)

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wily_coyote-genius's avatar

You guys crack me up!! 🤣

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Kitkat's avatar

Greetings fellow Commiefornia inmate.

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MeriBear's avatar

Good morning from the sovereign state of Texas!

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Jane Scandurra's avatar

Good morning from 3rd world country, New York.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

...where your governor wants to put you in a "camp" and wants to take away your gas stoves.

But, I bet those "camps" have gas ovens...for the non-compliant.

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Jane Scandurra's avatar

Yep, that's correct. I considered saying "...from communist New York," but the migrant situation is more top of mind. It has become a lot more visible lately and could be more immediately problematic - and I'm not even in NYC. I'm in Westchester Cty.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

There was a fatal hit-an-run that happened over the weekend in Pittsburgh.

A driver "without a license" killed a guy on a motorcycle and fled.

First thought...an illegal.

Right now he is in jail.

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Sara's avatar

Good morning from behind the iron curtain, Oregon.

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