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M. Patrick McCrary's avatar

As a matter of clarification, an aortic dissection is not a heart attack. It is the bursting of the large artery in the abdomen due to an existing aneurysm that was likely undetected beforehand. A heart attack is a myocardial infarction or death of cardiac tissue due to a clot interfering with oxygenated blood flow to the heart muscle. Just an FYI.

Doc Krin's avatar

while there are several locations for an aortic aneurysms, every dang one of the locations can remain silent, even as they grow to dangerous sizes. The ones in the Aortic Arch, or in the abdomen in the area where the renal and mesenteric (supplying blood to the gut) arteries branch off, are the ones most likely to provide warning signs.

I've caught a few assorted aneurysms just in time, and had as many or more drop, and present to my ED as obviously Dead Right There, despite the best efforts of the medics.

I'll also note that in folks 50 and under who die from such problems likely have a family history of similar sudden deaths, because there is a genetic component as well. I know of two families with the problem, neither of which were my patients.

Holly Champaign's avatar

My late husband, also a physician, experienced a partial tear at the heart valve! Actually went to work but complained of back pain, so off to ER he went. Not sure if the ER docs were stunned or impressed, probably both. He survived that surgery, which resulted in a Aortic valve replacement. And yes, there wasn't any hint of a problem until the tear occurred. Genetics maybe but I once found a research paper, which I now cannot find, that suggested Aortic tears may be related to certain antibiotics, akin to Achilles tendon tears.

Kathy's avatar

The class of antibiotics called fluoroquinolones causes those tears in the Achilles tendon. It can also cause a fatal infection of the intestines several months after you have finished taking it. Terrible stuff. Have it marked on your chart that you were allergic to it! In my small corner of the world, I know of two older women who were hospitalized from taking it, and one man who had an Achilles tendon tear.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

The use of the antibiotic Cipro can cause aortic tears along with tendon tears.

Here is a link: https://www.consumernotice.org/drugs-and-devices/fluoroquinolones/

CMCM's avatar

Scary article. I knew Cipro was not to be considered a first choice antibiotic, but didn't know why. I thought it related to treating specific bacteria. Several years ago I had a bladder infection. I went to my doctor, but only saw a PA, who did the requisite in-office urine test, which showed I did have a bladder infection developing, and she immediately prescribed Cipro. A couple of years later I brought it up to my doctor, and when she saw it in my records she was clearly angry the PA had prescribed it immediately. She said they send the urine sample to a lab to determine whether such a strong antibiotic is even needed, but would always prescribe a more benign antibiotic first, and only switch to Cipro if the lab results warranted it. I hope the danger doesn't continue years after taking it.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Also warn people about the dangers and that Cipro should not be prescribed to anyone over 65.

JenniferS's avatar

Thank you for this advice.

JCrutcher's avatar

Thank you for this info.

Nancy Fahey's avatar

CIPRO, is the generic name… terrible stuff. No one over 50 should have it prescribed to them… bad experience with it….thought I had an Achilles tear…

Celia M Paddock's avatar

After years of taking it (for UTI) without issue, it suddenly gave me tendonitis in my elbow in my 40s. It took a year for it to heal. It's on my 'allergic' list now.

Nancy Fahey's avatar

Smart move, scary to think it could do that to one’s heart. Read the papers that come with it, it explicitly says about the issues. Yelled at my pharmacy to ask questions before giving it out..

MOMinator's avatar

Cipro is the brand name. The generic drug name is ciprofloxacin.

Oregon Kathy's avatar

Cipro is only one of the drugs in that family of antibiotics. You must check don’t take it for granted that you’re not being given a fluoroqui. And it’s not just the Achilles tendon, I know someone who for years had tendons continue to tear.. She had many ongoing surgeries..

Lisa Ca's avatar

CIPRO is used for nasty C-Diff like intestinal bugs.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

A friend of mine developed C-diff from a routine colonoscopy. He had a couple of rounds of heavy antibiotics but I can't remember which ones because he used the brand names. About a year later he "died suddenly."

kittynana's avatar

@Lisa- and even then C-diff has become resistant.

Elaine H's avatar

Wonder if Candace or Tucker will take it up and find out who killed Lindsay.

Susie & Security's avatar

They will say Mossad did it. šŸ™„

kittynana's avatar

@Susie- they will say Tyler Robinson did but he did NOT kill Charlie.

NofloChick's avatar

Just read this: "Former CIA analyst Larry Jonnson claimed Lindsey Graham could not have died at home Saturday evening. The Ukraine trip plus return journey makes 8:30 p.m. arrival impossible. Pentagon insiders know the truth. He died in Kiev. The cover story is already exposed by simple schedules."

SB's avatar
3hEdited

Yea I heard a Dr saying this morning that there was probably no evidence beforehand. His dad also died of heart related issues

Idk but I can’t go full nuclear conspiracy theory every time someone dies. People die. People die because they just get really unlucky, too.

We all know or have heard stories of people who drop dead for no reason and no foul play. Being a senator doesn’t make one immune to ā€œlife just happens ā€œ

Valoree Dowell's avatar

The correct and reverent reaction to Senator Graham’s passing should simply be: a good and faithful servant died, too soon. Rest in peace Sen. Graham; peace, comfort and grace to your family, friends and colleagues.

Denise Pellerito's avatar

And Lindsey’s dad was 69 when he died.

My Favorite Things's avatar

It’s more fun to always have a conspiracy. Genetics matter. Lindsey surpassed his dad in age.

The man who wrote Don’t Sweat the Small Stuff passed away in his 40’s from an aneurysm on a flight from CA to New York. A friend of mine passed at 45 from a heart attack. My adopted sister passed in her twenties from a heart attack. Things happen. Stress could have easily caused Lindsey to have a heart attack.

Emumundo's avatar

My son-in-law had a heart attack at 26 after a round of Cipro. Until then he was a healthy long distance jogger. The hospital pointed to the antibiotics as the cause.

Susie & Security's avatar

My dad shared that book with me many decades ago!

Lisa Ca's avatar

interesting tidbit

John Baker's avatar

Exactly. A colleague died of an aortic dissection more than a decade before Covid happened. She died instantly and was under 50 years old. We all were shocked. I don’t know her family history. She seemed fine the day before at work. Jeff you’re great, but stick to lawyering, not doctoring. Your audience hangs on every word.

Tina's avatar

I get it…but in Jeff’s defense, the FBI is getting involved in Mr Graham’s death and therefore there appears to be something more than a ā€œnatural deathā€ going on here. Also, there are reports of aortic dissection post mRNA covid jab in VAERS. We all know the coroners are not doing that differential analysis in their analysis or maybe they are but it is not revealed to us. Is this private? The dead are literally speaking from their graves and no one is listening.

Susie & Security's avatar

Hi Tina, if there’s anything truly nefarious going on, we may or may not ever know.

I respect that others enjoy exploring conspiracy theories, but I’ve learned to be skeptical of most things I see online. Videos and posts can be analyzed endlessly until people see patterns that may not actually exist.

That’s why I try to trust reliable sources and fact-check unusual, sensational, or urgent claims before accepting them.

S.P.H.'s avatar

I tend to be skeptical of anything coming from government, S&S.

Robird's avatar

Two reports associated with mRNA Covid vaccination, the first occurring within minutes and the second days of administration.

Aortic root dissection can cause acute occlusion of both the left main and right coronary artery and is quickly fatal, as there is no blood flow to the heart muscle.

The vague and nonspecific Kash Patel X statement with no follow up may just be a meaningless speculation and weird attempt to help.

The ā€œ just asking questionsā€ and speculative nature of this article combined with a poor understanding of the reported medical circumstances of Senator Graham’s demise should serve as a reminder that readers should have a healthy skepticism even of what Mr Childers has to say.

Damn the torpedoes's avatar

There’s another simpler explanation for why the FBI is involved: he was a US Senator, with a target on his back from at least two nefarious countries (Russia and Iran) and he died shortly after returning from a war zone. They’d be remiss if they didn’t at least show up and check off a few boxes; attend the post mortem, and question a few people who were with the senator before he left the planet. My suspicion is that he died from an inherited condition, brought about by stress and long travel.

S.P.H.'s avatar

Agree, I would include the SAVE act target, torpedoes. The uni-party or deep state, (redundant ?) those that hate DJT more than love our Republic don't want to see anything change.

Susie & Security's avatar

I have to admit, I think Jeff is a little off the rails today. We don't need to assume every political or celebrity death is an assassination, nor commit a lengthy post to such speculation. Far left wingers did the same thing to Charlie Kirk within minutes of his death, and proceeded to launch lie after lie about him.

Perhaps we should let the man and his family rest in peace.

My two cents.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Kinda weird they did an emergency paving over the site where Charlie was killed.

Kinda weird there is a photo of the FBI hosing off the roof where Crooks was killed in Butler, PA.

Just saying...

Susie & Security's avatar

Crooks is another story. Personally, I don't think he acted alone, but what do I know? šŸ˜‰

It is what it is.... Same with Lee Harvey Oswald.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Crooks lived about 5 miles from my house. He was a creepy looking kid with weird sores on his mouth. He had no real friends in high school, yet appeared in a BlackRock commercial highlighting one of his teachers at Bethel Park High School. He also worked in a nursing home close to his house doing food prep in the kitchen.

Hardly a mastermind.

MaryAnn's avatar

We lost a young friend, age 39, two years ago this past weekend. He had a ā€œtriple Aā€ incident. He had non-specific symptoms so any leaking was undetected in two prior ED visits. When the aneurysm finally burst, he was essentially DOA but they shielded the family, putting him on life support, until the incident could be explained.

Not sure of his jab status.

Susie & Security's avatar

Very sorry for your loss, MaryAnn.

JCrutcher's avatar

Thank you for your thoughts on this subject. 50-ish B-i-l suddenly died and we were wondering about jab status, seemed not to go along with jabbing, but was under severe stress with ex-girlfriend.

Celia M Paddock's avatar

A dear friend of ours from college died of an aortic tear in his early 50s. He had sat up late to read, and his wife found him dead in his chair the morning. He'd had no particular health concerns, aside from (well-treated) sleep apnea. The tear was revealed by autopsy. Coroner said it was very unusual, as that usually only happens in situations where there is some kind of impact, like a car accident.

The point, though, is that it happens, and without warning. No one had any reason to 'assassinate' our friend. Sometimes your number is just up.

S.P.H.'s avatar

Thank you for the information Celia, and sympathies for the family of the victim. You came close to answering my question, is an autopsy required to determine cause of death in suspected aortic tears. If so, are forensic autopsies performed so quickly after death? Who would order the investigation?

David Clark's avatar

My brother died from a ā€œbrief and suddenā€ aortic dissection 2 years ago. He had no pre-existing risk factors. No HTN, no heart disease, etc. It was caught rapidly in the ED and he was transported immediately to a nearby hospital with an excellent cardiovascular surgeon. After 12 hours of surgery the surgeon was unable to successfully graft it due to the friability of the aortic tissue raising the possibility of a collagen disorder. His children and I were tested for currently known genetic mutations for collagen disease. We were all negative.

This started me on the path to an ultrasound and a CTA which found mild aneurysmal dilation of my abdominal aorta (3.25cm) and also in a celiac and femoral artery. Subsequent US showed no progression. Now I’m supposed to get an ultrasound every two years. The ultrasound also found hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy which responded nicely to 25mg of toprol and I subsequently aced a stress echo test.

The cardiologist recommended a different genetic test to see if I had a known mutation that can cause HOCM! It was also negative.

Asymptomatic HOCM developing in a person at my age when it was discovered (72) is quite rare. I also had no problems with HTN.

I was required to get Covid jabs and boosters at my work before I retired in 2022.

A search of medical literature doesn’t show HOCM or dissections as a result of Covid jabs…..yet. It is more likely I’ll die of something other than HOCM and with monitoring of the vascular system early intervention should prevent an aneurysm disaster.

I find it very curious to see so many instances of dissections today. Someday research might make a connection to the jab.

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SD Scott's avatar

Tall people are more prone to such injuries.

Suzanne's avatar

My son, age 33 at the time, was lifting weights in our garage. He came in rubbing his chest, complaining of chest pain. We thought he had strained a muscle. Three days later by God’s grace, he drove to a little ER clinic and they told him his ekg looked suspicious. He drove himself to a local hospital where he had scans and a cardiologist saw his dissection on his ascending aorta. Ten hour surgery where he coded, but survived. Has a mesh replacement in his aorta now. Walked out three days later and is doing all activities he did before. He has a lot to be thankful for. He was not vaccinated but we have a suspicion that he may have Marfan syndrome. Never been tested however.

RunningLogic's avatar

Oh wow so glad he survived that! What a scary situation!

S.P.H.'s avatar

Amen, Running. Always be ready to meet the Maker.

And as my mother would say, always wear clean underwear.

Lisa Ca's avatar

Wow! This is so shocking. What an amazing story. Scary for sure!

Baga's avatar

People with Marfan’s are usually quite tall, have big hands, and often have a vision impairment. I taught vision impaired students and had 3 students with it. One little girl had a heart attack when she was in second grade. She survived but went on heart medication when it happened.

JenniferS's avatar

According to fellow SC Senator Tim Scott, Sen. Graham lost both parents within 15 months of each other, while young Lindsay was a teenager; his father to a "massive heart attack."

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Senator Graham exemplified what it means to be an American and a Republican and what the US military and US veterans stand for.

He was the very model of American manliness,

A Colonel who was virtually a brother to Senator John McCain, he stood with Ukraine against Russia and its unAmerican laws targeting "non-traditional sexual relations" and "non-traditional relationships" and its designation of the "international LGBT movement" as an extremist organization, effectively criminalizing related activism and symbols.

Senator Graham was fiercely bipartsan. Many who were undecided on how to vote in 2020 and who eventually cast their vote for Biden would have recalled Senator Graham's words: "If you can’t admire Joe Biden as a person, you’ve got a problem. He’s the nicest person I’ve ever met in politics. As good a man as God ever createdā€™ā€ and that Donlald Trump is ā€œthe most flawed nominee in the history of the Republican party,ā€ a ā€œrace-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigotā€ andĀ ā€œunfit for office.ā€

America has lost one of its greatest. He is greatly mourned in the US, Israel and Ukraine.Ā  It is important to get to the bottom of what led to his tragic death.

Carolyn's avatar

Are you completely stupid. McCain and Graham were not supporters of America as it was intended but as the way the deep state and war mongers saw it. Nothing more than the British Empire continuing to expand. Both supported a one world government ruled by the "elites". Say the truth.

william howard's avatar

there was a reason he was called Lindsey Gramnesty

S.P.H.'s avatar

None of us is perfect, william. Politicians put themselves front and center, some like Graham, every chance they get. I guess that is the road to re-election and advancement. Were his positives greater than his negatives? History may tell. Generally I considered him a self serving snake. Like many of us oldsters, we moderate a little as we gain wisdom with age, perhaps he was in that phase of life. Perhaps that led to his demise. As Pontius Pilate proclaimed "what is truth!"

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

He was a leader of the Republican Party and a role model to youth. It is thanks to the example he set that the GOP became the natural home of closeted gay men and women who are proud to pursue America's role as world police..

kittynana's avatar

@Carolyn- way to argue like an adult.

Susan V's avatar

Seriously??? Graham was a traitor/war monger. I’m blown away that so called awakened folks and Trump admired this man

Richard Whitney's avatar

I was watching Nima on Dialogue Works and he put up clips of Trump talking to the press after the death of Charlie Kirk and after Lindsey Graham.

What a difference. With Kirk he gave perfunctory words of sadness and then moved on. With Graham he practically cried, and refused to talk about anything else.

I don't know why Trump liked him. Is a good golfing buddy that crucial?

Because whenever I saw Graham, I was repelled by his blood thirstiness and craven love of destroying entire peoples and countries.

Mrs. RW

Steve Stevens's avatar

With Kirk he started talking about the ballroom, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2BF-ufsoe0

Richard Whitney's avatar

Thank you. I wasn't sure if it was the ballroom or the pool, but I know he was very happy about it. Not like with Graham.

Mrs. RW

AT's avatar

Nice troll.

Debra's avatar

You would think having this in his family medical history that he would at least annually be checked out completely for any signs of deterioration but maybe that kind of thing is not so easy to see or find.

Princess Thunderbutt's avatar

Not always easy to find.

kittynana's avatar

@Debra- could be his cardiologist wanted to do an arotic dump test, etc. and Graham refused because he was afraid of the results. Not uncommon.

kittynana's avatar

@Jennifer- yes. He then adopted his 13 year old sister (obviously to get and keep custody), raised her, sent her to college, etc.

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

The risk of this is why I have a cloth graft of my ascending aorta. It had enlarged to 5 cm by early 2020.

Todd's avatar

The thoracic cavity actually, not the abdomen.

Carrie's avatar

You can have aortic disruptions/abnormalities in the chest or abdomen- ruptured aneurysms or dissections. When they rupture, you can die fast if not recognized immediately and intervened on emergently by surgical or endovascular (less invasive/stenting) means.

Elaine's avatar

A FB friend survived one. She posted on FB that she had the worst chest pain ever. I replied to get off FB and call EMS. NOW. They air flighted her to a major city from rural Oklahoma. She is damn lucky.

KSB's avatar

Mr. Graham reported to Trump he felt "tired." An aortic dissection, in a statistic I read can increase chance of death 1-2% per hour for an unrecognized aortic dissection. (Dr. Katz), although most of us learn of these in our training that they are rapidly catastrophic events. So it is possible it was developing as President Trump engaged in conversation with him.

Chris Phelan's avatar

My brother died at 47 from an aortic aneurysm and my father died at 74 also from an aortic aneurysm. Unless Sen Graham knew he was genetically predisposed to this risk, his doctors probably wouldn’t have tested for it. The ER doctor told me that most aortic dissections are diagnosed in the autopsy as patients present no clear symptoms and are often incoherent from the lack of blood/oxygen to the brain.

M. Patrick McCrary's avatar

Yet it is called an AAA: Abcominal Aortic Aneurysm.

Todd's avatar

Remember, Senator Lindsey Graham died from an aortic dissection that occurred in the ascending aorta, which is the part of the aorta closest to the heart. Not of the portion of the descending aorta below the diaphragm. Since we're clarifying.

Todd's avatar
8hEdited

"Abcominal Aortic Aneurysm" sounds like a good name for a new rock band. It's funny, ha ha!

Tom Tadeo's avatar

Need an simple and honest coroner's pathology report would determine cause of death. Good luck. Probably an aortic dissection with rupture, or more specifically cardiac tamponade due to rupture of aortic dissection if it bleeds into the heart sac. On an autopsy or death certificate, you’d see something like ā€œruptured aortic dissectionā€ or ā€œhemopericardium secondary to type A aortic dissection.ā€m

Devin Kennemore's avatar

Was just about to point this out. I knew a young guy, 26, a paramedic in fact, who by all accounts was very healthy. One day at home he called 911. He had an aortic aneurism that burst. He never saw it coming. By the time the EMS arrived, he was gone. This was pre-covid. Also, aortic aneurisms are not caused by clots. I’m not saying the mRNA covid shots couldn’t cause an aortic aneurism, but I don’t know by what mechanism that might happen. Graham may simply have died, as they said, from an ā€œaortic dissection.ā€ I will cite Occam’s Razor.

Valerie's avatar

Lindsay Graham’s dad died of a heart attack at 69, I don’t find his death particularly suspicious. But I am open to revising my opinion if more info comes out, of course.

Michael cox's avatar

What's suspicious about an aortic dissection? They happen every day.

Valerie's avatar

The aorta extends from the heart all the way to the abdomen, couldn’t it have been anywhere along there? Asking as a non-professional obviously.

Carrie's avatar

Yes… many deadly possibilities in all parts of the aorta.

SD Scott's avatar

Let’s just all spare a moment to be thankful for our aortas, shall we?

LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

An aortic dissection does not require an existing aneurysm. It can be the cause of death from heavy metal poisoning - cobalt, cadmium, mercury, and many more.

jmsmithmd's avatar

Depends on where in the aorta the peeling occurs. If it’s in the aortic arch, I can block flow to coronary arteries, which branch off it, and cause loss of flow/ infarction of the cardiac muscle. If in the abdominal aorta, different type of catastrophe.

Mary Sholl's avatar

And when they happen they are almost 100% fatal.

Fla Mom's avatar

Came here to make the same clarification, though I haven't seen the report about which part of his aorta was involved.

Susie & Security's avatar

Thank you.

Also, there isn't necessarily a visible or identifiable trigger for aortic dissection. Here is a difference between the two:

* Aortic dissection: Tear in the aorta; blood splits the artery wall.

* Heart attack: Blocked coronary artery; heart muscle loses blood and begins to die.

Research indicates the following common triggers/risk factors:

* Uncontrolled high blood pressure

* Heavy lifting/straining

* Cocaine or stimulant use

* Chest trauma

* Connective tissue disorders (e.g., Marfan syndrome)

* Sometimes no identifiable trigger

KNZ's avatar

Excellent point M. Patrick McCrary. Senator Graham could have had an aortic aneurysm without even knowing it. Since he had JUST returned from Ukraine, he could have thrown a clot from the long flight. It happens more frequently than people know. Just sayin…Of course none of those scenarios would explain FBI involvement.

Michael cox's avatar

It's not a clot. It's an aortic dissection.

Evangeline's avatar

I may be wrong, but aortc dissection also has an association (increase) with the jabs.

Michael cox's avatar

They don't. An aortic dissection happens when the inside of the artery pulls away from the next layer. They often have a genetic component and are also caused by high blood pressure. That's why it sometimes happens to weight lifters. They've been happening for 50,000 years and a very long time before vaccines of any kind.

RunningLogic's avatar

I’ve read that too.

SadieJay's avatar

Our good friend had one. And our neighbor, who is a Dr. of 50 years told us he had only seen one in all his years. We know our friend was vaxxed and boosted because his wife wanted to travel. His body was filling up with his own blood where his aorta dissected and his wife was with him when he collapsed, From a heavy equipment business owner/operator to wheelchair bound paraplegic at 64 years old. He told her he wished he would have died. He is the second person we know who is now paralyzed from the jab.

mspring's avatar

From what I read this morning about aortic dissection, it a completely plausable cause of death. They start in the epithelium inner layer of the artery, may stop progressing for some time, but ultimately progress to full rupture, with blood pressure opening and separating and filling the inter layer spaces in between. What initiates is hard to know, when doc gets in there everything messed up. As others today have noted, it can progress fast or slow. I also recall from Covid reading that at least some of the died suddenly collapse dead on street incidents were identified as dissections.

I'm of two minds on Jeff's handling of the incident. On one hand he has neatly (as usual) encapsulated the scope and span of the theories that we can accept or dismiss. On the other, I'd rather hear how MAGA has run around the left yet again!

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

āœļøāœļøāœļø

There are six things which the LORD hates,

Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:

Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,

And hands that shed innocent blood,

A heart that devises wicked plans,

Feet that run rapidly to evil,

A false witness who utters lies,

And one who spreads strife among brothers.

— Proverbs 6:16-19 NAS95

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Penny North's avatar

This scripture and the 10 commandments should be posted every day!

Bard Joseph's avatar

The Ethiopian Bible.

The oldest bible on Earth.

Mel Gibson's movie in 2027.

https://youtu.be/NDzLMGj9ONk?is=n4t30CXY6jECS2l5

Kent's avatar

Many have no idea the Bible version they adhere to is the Scofield version. Cyrus Scofield was commissioned by Rockefeller to EDIT and REWRITE the Bible so that it FAVORED Israel/ZIONISM. Cyrus was not a reputable man and if history is correct left a family penniless to do Rockefeller's bidding. Maybe Mel Gibson's movie coming out in 2027 based on the ETHIOPIAN bible will show where Scofield redacted or deleted certain parts of the bible to favor ISRAEL

Bard Joseph's avatar

An old game.

Roman's did it before recognizing christianity.

Council of Nices?

Christ believed in reincarnation. Romans wanted hell fire and fear.

Donna O's avatar

Where do you find these lies? To say Jesus believed in reincarnation is laughable. You obviously have no knowledge of who He is, what He came for and what He actually did. Please go to the source and read the entire book, all 66 books written over 1500 years on 3 continents by 40 authors (yet just one single story line.). It would be helpful if you threw up a prayer to ā€œGod, if You’re real, show me truth,ā€ before you started.

Bard Joseph's avatar

You seem to have no opinion as an alternate. We still dont know about his lost years.

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

Someday, you just need to get out of your own head and accept the truth God has given. Even if I never learned another thing about Jesus, my soul, mind, and spirit are full and free. I wish the same for you.

Donna Oliphint's avatar

Not sure what alternate you mean. Jesus ā€œgrew and became strong; He was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was on Him.ā€ Luke 2:40 NIV (translated directly from the Greek). Do you think He reincarnated during His ā€œlostā€ years? The only time He was ā€œlostā€ was the 3 days in the Temple. When He rose from the dead He came back as Himself, not someone else or an animal.

TiredCitizen's avatar

Don't waste your time. Some people have been given over to delusion that you can't reach them.

Donna Oliphint's avatar

I try not to, but sometimes I just can’t help myself. šŸ™„

Patty Mapes's avatar

Joseph gets ā€œmost interesting commentā€ on this subject.

David Clark's avatar

Prosperity gospel much? Change my mind.

Bard Joseph's avatar

Sounds like Calvinism.

Gail W's avatar

Hi Janice, Forgive my religious ignorance but if you are willing to answer, I'm wondering about the line referring to God hating hands that shed INNOCENT blood.

What about the commandment to not murder?

And also letting God sort out those who are guilty?

I'm curious about what sounds like inconsistencies to me.

Thanks and no worries if you prefer not to answer.

CStone's avatar

I’m not Janice, but murder usually includes premeditation and or malice aforethought.

When a nation is at war, killing does not appear to be seen by the Almighty One as murder, it is war and to be expected.

He is smarter than we are, and He also factored in our stupidity by being merciful and longsuffering. (At least He has been to me.)

Covfefedoc's avatar

What? No. Killing is always murder.

kittynana's avatar

@Cov- there's a reason the Commandment is worded the way it is. Even Christ knew killing was sometimes necessary. Killing is NOT always murder.

CStone's avatar

No it isn’t. It can be self-defense.

But killing in war after your nation has been attacked or threatened, is NOT murder, if you read Scripture.

Javi Mendo's avatar

Who made you God?

CStone's avatar

Did I say I was god? What a stupid person you must be. Take a reading comprehension class.

Leo's avatar

CStone, So, war does not require premeditation and malice? People just rush to war without thinking anything about it beforehand?

CStone's avatar

War is run by leaders. The judgement will fall on the leaders.

That’s another reason sending the abortion decision back to the States to decide was the right (righteous) thing to do. Now those who live in those states and vote for those willing to MURDER innocent babies can bear the blame and reap the Divine Judgement those demons deserve, rather than those states who vote for those who believe, as their constituents do, that abortion is indeed MURDER…..with malice.

Leo's avatar

CStone, By your reasoning, the principle is: "War is run by leaders. The judgement will fall on the leaders."..."Now those who live in those NATION-states and vote for those willing to MURDER ...can bear the blame and reap the Divine Judgement."

Whatever the scale, individual/state/nation/world - we can't escape culpability.

Debra Jackson's avatar

I think the key here is innocent blood, that would include malcontent. There is a difference between the words murder and kill. I’m not an attorney, but I think your answer lies in the definition.

Penny North's avatar

Killing innocent blood is murder.

Self defense is not murder.

At least that’s how I interpret it.

Juju's avatar

Murder is different than simply taking a life. Murder implies taking an innocent life, with intent to do so. Manslaughter and killing can happen sometimes by accident, or as a legally determined punishment by the courts.

God did set up courts to administer justice among the people. I believe He speaks to laymen, those not placed in the seat of the courts as judges, who are to not take justice into their own hands.

He works via these ruling systems too. He has other admonishments to those in judicial positions who violate their oaths of office and the trust the public places in them.

I look forward to Janice’s reply though as she would have the pertinent cross referencing verses at her fingertips.

All I know is you really can interpret a single verse of the Bible separate from all the others.

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

Hi Gail, maybe my brain isn’t awake yet, but I’m not sure what you’re asking. I’ll be happy to answer if I can.

Bard Joseph's avatar

A good epitaph.

Leo's avatar

Words Beyond, "Matthew 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

n s's avatar

An aortic dissection is not a heart attack. It's when the lining of the aorta suddenly partially peels off and completely blocks the flow of blood. I've seen nothing that suggests it's vaccine related, but the IRGC immediately took credit for Graham's death. Unfortunately, this idiotic boast requires the expenditure of tax dollars to fund an FBI investigation to disprove the IRGC. Score one small and pathetic win for the IRGC.

John infinity N's's avatar

Interesting Scripture for today considering this describes Lindsey Graham.

Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

If they’re now using ā€œbrief and sudden illnessā€ to describe heart attacks, wow — that’s like using SIDS to describe vaccine deaths in babies.

Reclassification, a dark magical trick: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/reclassification-the-magic-trick

This got me thinking, just how many diseases and deaths are tied to vaccines that we just won’t call vaccine related? SIDS, Autism, SADS, the list goes on smh.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Have you read my

second favorite attorney’s book, VACCINES,

AMEN! by Aaron Siri?

He knows his stuff.

If I remember correctly, around 71-76% of SIDS happens within 14 days of vaccines. I believe 86% of those occur on day 1 of vaccines.

They’ve known for decades. They tell you they don’t know what causes SIDS but they sure as heck know what doesn’t. šŸ™„

It should be called VIDS.

Aaron Siri says that what they TELL you has been studied is worlds apart from what they can never PROVE in court, has been studied. They can’t! They say it 1000x, and people believe it but when they’re in court, they mumble and flip through palates or say they left it at the office. Right… Or their dog chewed up their homework. They can never prove most of the things they swear by.

Aaron is kicking it in vaccine court.

Green eyed gal's avatar

My son received his DPT shot on April 16 and died April 19. Coroner said "SIDS." Then they tell parents "Back to sleep" to prevent SIDS. I think the medical community is full of criminals.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

If it’s any consolation, though I am a long time, strong Christian, and knew beyond a shadow of doubt that I’d go to heaven, I used to be afraid to die.

I was pregnant 6-7 times, but we lost several babies. Our longest term one was 21-22 weeks, and he was named. We were slated to have his baby shower in a couple of weeks, and had already painted his room baby blue.

We lost him at home, and he had everything— eyes, ears, all the things. I now know that I have 3-4 babies in heaven that I never got to hold or raise.

I am not remotely afraid to die and have t been since it occurred to me that those babies I never knew will be my welcoming committee. I am sure your baby will be yours as well, and is t it cool knowing they never had a heartache on this earth, or a skinned knee or any of that sort of thing?

RunningLogic's avatar

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Politico Phil's avatar

As a father, my heart goes out to you. When our Lord taught us how to pray in Matthew 6, He concluded with this: 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

Richard Whitney's avatar

So tragic. I'm sorry for your losses, and hope that you do meet them in heaven.

Mrs. RW

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Thank you!

It’s a sure thing, since I am saved and have a relationship with Jesus!

I can’t imagine how people who don’t know that truth and don’t have Jesus as their savior cope with some things in life.

I know my animals and most all the people I knew and loved will be there as well.

A friend forgot her purse at her mom’s bedside one night. It was a 20 minute drive but she turned around and went to get it.

As she walked in, she heard her mom say, ā€œOh, CHANCE! I never even considered the THOUGHT that it might be you!ā€

Chance was her mom’s heart horse (it’s a thing!). He apparently was her mom’s welcoming committee.

My fave preacher has been at hundreds of death beds. He says he has heard it all, over the years and he is convinced they send whoever will make the person feel the most loved, to welcome them home. šŸ’•šŸ’• What assurance!

kittynana's avatar

@KC- I can't even say I understand because I, gratefully, don't. But when I was pregnant with our first, all I could think of was my sister's son who they lost at age 3 weeks, my sister in law's still born, and my matron of honor's stillborn. I had a textbook pregnancy and birth and I was beyond grateful.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I have to wonder whether they had vaccines during their pregnancy. I recall having one, and I lost that baby, but I can’t say whether I did or did not have shots during their other pregnancies we lost.

If I had it to do all over again, I would have zero shots for me, my kids and my animals. The babies would sleep on their tummies and the animals could sleep however they were comfy.

My dogs would remain in tact, and no cat would ever be declawed.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I am so sorry.

SIDS should be called VIDS. And sleeping on their back is ridiculous. That’s just a way of changing the focus from what truly happened to all the babies who died ā€œof SIDSā€.

Every other land mammal God ever created sleeps in a ā€œpig pileā€. We have a little farm and 2 of our 3 kids were Ellie Mae Clampett types so we had a lot of animals/litters. God gave us 3 air holes and magically, if one nostril or the other is blocked by another puppy bum, they can open their mouth, same as babies.

We had 3 kids and each was born within 3 different sleep ā€œrulesā€ā€” tummy, side, then back.

I slept all 3 of mine on their tummy. We never had to have one of those ridiculous helmets, invented rapidly after the back to sleep campaign.

SIDS didn’t decrease 44%, either! They simply made a new category, SUDS. Sudden Unexplained Death Syndrome. Ummmm… isn’t that the same thing???

They are full of crap and they know it.

A couple of states are now having ā€œLast known vaccineā€ or some such listed on the questionnaire after SIDS cases, thank God.

It’s a start.

Richard Whitney's avatar

I used to work in a NICU. We had monitors on the babies and we fed them through tubes. We alternated their positions every 2 hours.

I noticed that when the babies were on their stomachs, they slept better, their O2 sats were better, and they digested their food better. We always checked for residuals before we gave the next feed, and when they were on their stomachs there was rarely any left.

I was outraged when the Back is Best campaign started because I knew it was bullshit.

And then during covid, they announced that putting intubated patients prone helped their oxygenation and their general condition.

Surely with this evidence they would quit telling people to put babies on their back!

Ha! They are diabolically evil. The campaign continues.

Mrs. RW

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I concur!

Did other NICU nurses agree?

Richard Whitney's avatar

We never talked about that. It was before the campaign started.

Mrs. RW

kittynana's avatar

@Mrs.- intubated adults don't have food on their tummies.

Richard Whitney's avatar

Are you trying to imply that it is the combination of food and the supine position kills babies?

I disagree. As I said, they digest better on their stomachs.

Mrs. RW

Richard Whitney's avatar

My friend laughed and called me Ellie Mae because of all my critters.

I understand your children completely.

Mrs. RW

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

šŸ˜

It’s the best way to grow up, IMO.

We had a baby squirrel named Samson (he needed strength and hair) the kids used to dress in up in Beanie Baby clothes. (Don’t tell P’Nuts Animal Control) He adored macadamia nuts, avocado, corn on the cob and the Christmas tree! We had him for maybe 8 months until he finally stayed outside and started a fam. He brought them by on the deck rail maybe 2x a week. SO fun!

We had a nest of wrens that my mother in law accidentally brought home in a potted plant. Ellie Mae & siblings saved them. They were in the house for weeks. When we set them free (several times we tried to no avail) and they finally stayed outside— they’d come out of the

trees and follow Juliana (the Main Ellie Mae) around like she was Snow White. So fun.

I’m still longing for a fawn and maybe an otter. 😜

kittynana's avatar

@KC- sleeping on their backs is scientific: they will instinctively turn their heads sideways if they spit up, allowing the liquid to drain out.and away from their mouths and noses. If on their sides or tummies, their mouths and noses are right in it.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

We are not born pharmaceutically deficient. We are fearfully and wonderfully made.

We are not born with a need for injections of:

heavy metals

alcohol

formaldehyde

canine/equine/porcine (porky pig) cells

polysorbates-which break last the Blood Brain Barrier and usher the other toxins with it, thereby making it far easier to have encephalopathy, which CAN lead

to autism, and eventual

dementia/Alzheimers

We are certainly not born with an immediate need of SYNTHETIC vitamin K or an instant need of a HepB vaccine.

The synthetic vitamin K vax makes the

blood tar-like and thick, therefore it can’t reach nooks and crannies to heal any birth trauma. On Day 8, the blood can coagulate. If they simply DON’T inject 2 shots and DONT operate on baby until after Day 8– baby will not have issues with thin blood. It’s thin for a reason.

Richard Whitney's avatar

I disagree. If a baby vomits while on its back, gravity will put that liquid right back into their mouths, where they could aspirate it.

It's easier for them to move away if they're on their bellies.

Mrs. RW

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

So, you’re saying baby can move his head if he is spitting up / aspirating but he can’t move his head if his nostrils are blocked from breathing?

I respectfully disagree.

Richard Whitney's avatar

Don't we all lay on our backs when we vomit?

So much safer./s

Mrs. RW

Debra's avatar

My heart breaks for you. :(

Tiny basket of deplorable's avatar

I’m so sorry for your loss😢

Kathy's avatar

I am so sorry to hear of this terrible tragedy. šŸ™

Ashley's avatar

I am so incredibly sorry. Praying for you and your family right now.

Juju's avatar

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Donna O's avatar

I’m so very sorry. I cannot imagine the grief, but I pray for God’s loving comfort and peace to be given you.

Patti joliet's avatar

So sorry for your loss of your precious baby.

Amanda Booth Bice's avatar

I am so sorry for your loss

Pat Wetzel's avatar

And they all cover for each other.

Susan V's avatar
5hEdited

So sorry for your loss. Share your story far and wide. I have small postcard that have attached info about what’s in vaccines etc. i share them with strangers (moms with strollers)

RunningLogic's avatar

I’m so sorry šŸ˜ž That’s heartbreaking šŸ’”šŸ˜¢

Richard Whitney's avatar

I am sorry for your loss, and outraged at the gaslighting they put you through.

I have a friend who lost a baby after vaccines.

The doctor asked them about the vaccines, and they confirmed it, but then he said that smoking could cause SIDS, and completely ignored the vaccine issue, and they were young and didn't catch it.

The mother had sneaked a couple of cigarettes while she was pregnant, so the father blamed her, and they ended up divorced.

The damage that the vaccine pushers do is beyond belief.

Mrs. RW

PonyBoy's avatar

Full of murderers.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Corrupt medical examiners fail, or refuse, to investigate further.

If they can't be honest about a baby's death, what makes us think they will be honest about a murder victim's death?

Lone Star's avatar

Ryan Cole MD has talked about the specific tissue tests that must be done on autopsies in order to determine if there was specifically Spike associated vascular damage. At the time I heard him say this, he was the only pathologist in the United States willing to so that test. I am not even sure he is still allowed to do so. I would guess that test was not done on Graham.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Dr. Ryan Cole is the only pathologist in the country who is doing anything.

Johnny-O's avatar

I saw an insane story about a mom with twins, who brought her kids in for jabs, the following day brought them to the ER due to severe reactions, which the doctor even documented as such. A week later they dropped dead, and she is being charged with murder.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Yes, that’s going on RN and that poor mom had a 5 week old she is unable to care for or nurse. It’s sickening. The ER doc even said it was a vaccine injury on the official papers.

There have been, to my

knowledge, 7-8 sets of twins that this happened to. There’s a set of triplets on video if you go to CHILDREN’S HEALTH DEFENSE and look toward the bottom, there are VAXXED episodes on video, with parents of triplets. She took them in for shots and ā€œthe lights went outā€ one by one, within hours of one another. They show videos of a day or 2 prior to their appointment and a day or so after. They went from adorable toddlers, interacting, smiling, just being cute and playful to staring at the ceiling fan, never responding to their names or anything. It’s heartbreaking.

Richard Whitney's avatar

I saw that on Vaxxed. Very heart breaking.

They were smiling and interacting with each other. So adorable.

But they haven't acknowledged each other since the shots.

Mrs. RW

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Makes me want to post that video all over creation so it goes viral— in time for this sham ā€œtrialā€ this poor

mom is about to endure.

Kathy's avatar

Yes, and they had even warned the doctor before administering those vaccines that a family member had had a terrible reaction to it. I believe it was the father.

SD Scott's avatar

Kids were born premie with delicate lungs. Not good to vaccinate!

Tiny basket of deplorable's avatar

Wrong person/persons charged with murder. The parents are always scrutinized and shamed when their baby dies.

CHop's avatar

And she was the primary plaintiff I'm a case against the AAP. They asked for the case to be dripped after her arrest which occurred a year after the babies deaths.

Politico Phil's avatar

The MM (medical murderers) protect their own.

Tara Townsend's avatar

I saw that story also.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Yep! That’s too much to bear— having your baby die and then being treated as a suspect, and having others believe it about you, too.

Unfathomable…

Not Me's avatar

…and pharmaceutical

Susan V's avatar

Siri is great but sadly he is fighting a losing battle- there have been no significant changes in government policy around vaccines. Big Pharma owns main stream media and politicians. Kennedy has had a little impact on making change they need to ban all direct to consumer advertising

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I think Siri is winning quite often. The iCAN people certainly say so, as has Lara Lohan and a slew of others I subscribe to.

I agree that they absolutely MUST ban all D to C advertising and they truly ought to stop Big pHARM-us from donating to ANY politicians. There is no such thing as receiving 6-digit kickbacks, yet remaining unbiased as to whether to approve appointments of nominated people OR anything that may contradict the narrative regarding vaccines/ Big pHARm-us.

Consider joining many of the slew of vaccine info groups online.

JusttheInserts.com,

i CAN-Del Bigtree

Children’s Health Defense1

Vaccine Choice

Several really good ones I can’t think of RN.

Laura's avatar

It will take quite some time for the world to catch up on vaccines. But thankfully those of us that know can just not take them.

LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Aortic dissection can be easily caused by poisoning with the covid spike protein and many of the heavy metals, cobalt, cadmium, mercury, arsenic, and more.

There are so many easy ways to cause a sudden unexpected death of a healthy person with an overdose of any of the electrolyte minerals-such as potassium, magnesium, sodium and more. There’s also the heart attack gun. How about giving him a glass of deuterium water to drink?

Lindsey Graham was a murder victim of a political assassination. Now a martyr. President Trump, please brown-bag your lunch.

Politico Phil's avatar

I'm inclined to agree with you conclusion that he was murdered. This due to an exchange I had yesterday with an astute friend. I'll just quote him.....

"So, Lindsey Graham is dead, and just back from the Ukraine, the land where any magic can happen. I don't know the lurid details, but I noticed one thing. On the searches, the headlines all read the same, like they were all written by the same Jack in the Box suddenly popped out, pen in hand. My thought is, how convenient! And wouldn't it be a nice memorial to Lindsey if the whole Ukraine war was settled ahead of the midterms? And Lindsey could still do public service from the Great Beyond, and as a nice reminder in Congress of 'how good it would be' if everyone else had the same thought, to end that war. And surely, an end to the Ukraine war would be a welcomed nice distraction from the Iran debacle. My, my! What a strange world we live in. But as they say! Timing is everything!"

I'm a bit surprised that Childers did not make note of all the headlines yesterday having the apparent same "author". We saw the same happening over and over again during the "covid years" where the news media was in lock-step word for word. This suggests to me that the cause of Graham's death is to be found in our own domestic deep-state wars. Russia is just a convenient scapegoat.

Cynthia's avatar

With the IRGC openly calling for his death, I put nothing past those terrorists!

Juju's avatar

And that includes our Democrat party too, who have become no different than the structure of the IRGC. Graham was pushing the SAVE Act …

kittynana's avatar

@Juju- pretty sure you can include some Republicans on that list.

Carolyn's avatar

Oh please..do you rule out the possibility of the Ukraine/UK/CIA wacking him to get the exact reaction so more stupid will jump on the support Ukraine bus.

kittynana's avatar

@Carolyn- I thought bots spelled better than that

Richard Whitney's avatar

Lindsey Graham was a chicken hawk, but even a chicken is not going to let strange people hold him down, start an IV, and inject potassium, without a struggle.

And drinking it is obviously not lethal. Not to mention equally unlikely.

Blaming it on foreign actors is taking Lindsey Graham paranoia to a new extreme.

Mrs. RW

Juju's avatar

I found this X post’s analysis rather detailed and intriguing. ā€œWas Graham murdered? The evidence is circumstantial but damning:ā€¦ā€

While there might be a few things in the analysis that feel like a stretch, the interesting pieces are his giving the history of the kinds of nerve agents that historically were used in countless assassinations to cause ā€œsudden illnessesā€ and ā€œcardiac events,ā€ as well as the most likely chemicals used in our modern day. It’s very thought provoking.

https://x.com/tonyseruga/status/2076290926046241242?s=46

Mary Sholl's avatar

Right. So Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson. Just asking questions, huh?

Juju's avatar
8hEdited

At this early in the juncture, yes

Also if you noted in my post above I said what I found most fascinating about the post was ā€œlearning about the chemicalsā€ that have caused deaths like this in the past in actual assassinations. That part was fascinating

Green eyed gal's avatar

Dumb question, but what do Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson have to do with your original comment?

I read a Tony Seruga post last night on FBI Violent Crimes assisting and why it points to something more nefarious than a heart attack and also thought it was interesting - something to file away, keep in mind. Has he joined Owens and Carlson?

Juju's avatar

I honestly have no idea. I wasn’t sure how to interpret her reply so just clarified what the purpose of mine was

Dr. Philip Ovadia's avatar

Love all your work Jeff. I am a cardiac surgeon and a big fan, fellow Floridian and also upcoming fellow guest on the Mike Rowe podcast which was a great appearance of yours.

Aortic dissection does occur suddenly and can be quickly fatal. It is not a typical heart attack. It is a sudden and unpredictable tear that develops in the main blood vessel coming out from the heart in the chest. Whether or not he died from that is very provable or disprovable if the proper examinations were chosen to be done or able to be done. This would be very obvious on an autopsy but realize that autopsies are not done in the vast majority of deaths. They are only done in cases of unexplained deaths with the family's consent or can be requested by law enforcement or the medical examiner if there is reason for suspicion. The other way to diagnose an aortic dissection is with a CT scan (imaging). This would have been done at the hospital but it is not clear to me whether he made it to the hospital alive or not. 50% of people who develop aortic dissection do not.

Aortic dissection does fit the narrative of being fine hours or minutes before. It is sometimes a presumptive diagnosis in scenarios like this and is not always confirmed.

There are a few other things that can kill people quickly without warning that would be possibilities as well. Heart attacks, particularly those that cause a fatal heart arrhythmia, that people may not be aware of being at risk for. Our medical system does a lousy job of people knowing whether they are truly at risk or not. If you ever want to go down a medical rabbit hole of gaslighting beyond COVID, look into the whole cholesterol hypothesis of heart disease, statins, etc.

A sudden blood lot to the lungs (pulmonary embolus) or brain could also cause a sudden death where the person will be fine moments before. Long plane trips are a risk factor for developing blood clots.

All to say, his death could be very routine and non-suspicious but that doesn't rule out other possibilities.

One possibility you bought up in the column that wouldn't fit is the fatal injection of potassium. This would cause death very quickly so him being covertly injected before traveling home and then dying many hours later from it would not fit. You are correct that this may be undetectable though.

I hope that helps.

Philip Ovadia, MD

@ifixhearts

Beckadee's avatar

Good info. Share the link for your chat with Mike Rowe.

Dr. Philip Ovadia's avatar

It's being released in a few weeks

Christiane Northrup, M.D.'s avatar

You are my kind of doctor. Thank you for standing for truth.

Dr. Philip Ovadia's avatar

to you as well Christiane

Todd's avatar

How much potassium are we talking about? The human body is fairly robust.

Dr. Philip Ovadia's avatar

Yes. It takes a very high dose of potassium administered quickly to kill someone.

162.550's avatar

Thanks for that insight into the Sen's passing. It appears to be pressure related. Are you familiar with Zeta potential in our bloodstream? Basically it's about maintaining the colloidal solution in our bloodstream to allow RBC to efficiently perform. This Dr (Midwestern Doctor) isn't selling anything. Just curious about your opinion.

ItsMeAgain's avatar

Thanks for the clarification of "aortic dissection".

kittynana's avatar

@Dr. Phil(ip)- It's quite possible he had a clot that traveled. That's a long trip. But a preliminary autopsy WAS performed and they (claim they) found an aortic dissection.

Richard Whitney's avatar

I can't see how it could be injected covertly anyway. It would involve starting an IV and then potassium burns.

No way LG wouldn't notice that.

Mrs. RW

Oma's avatar

Question: if one is found to have an aortic tear in the abdomen area, must it reach a certain size before the physician is ā€œallowedā€ to repair it? Our chiropractor had one and this was his experience.

Dr. Philip Ovadia's avatar

That is when someone has an aortic aneurysm, an enlargement of the aorta. They can precede an aortic dissection (tear of the wall of the aorta) but dissection can occur without an aneurysm.

Robird's avatar

A forensic autopsy is a certainty in this high profile case. It does not require family consent, since family members may be under suspicion of foul play. The very specific diagnosis of aortic dissection is consistent with preliminary results of a forensic autopsy.

SB's avatar

Thank you. I heard similar info from the Dr on FoxNews this morning, too.

Jane's avatar

Are you aware of a similarly focused electro-cardiologist? Thx!

Lori's avatar

Are you a doc that pushed Covid jabs when they came out? Your name is new here so are you a good guy or bad guy? We have lost trust in Big Med and doctors-your ilk. I hope you tell the truth to this question.

Dr. Philip Ovadia's avatar

Not at all. I am an outspoken critic of our mainstream medical system, focused especially on heart disease. COVID was a big wake up call for me but I saw the failings of the pharma based system before that. I wrote "Stay Off My Operating Table" in 2021 to help people understand that diet and lifestyle changes are the key to preventing heart disease and that we have been misled on just about everything related to our health. Meat is medicine and essential to good overall health and specifically heart health. Cholesterol is not the problem.

Laura Kasner's avatar

Philip - I submitted a message on Mike Rowe’s website shortly after he interviewed Del Bigtree where they talked about Del’s film, An Inconvenient Study. This was in December of last year.

I assumed if he was brave enough to talk about the subject of vaccine harms, he would talk about the embalmer clots and interview the two gentlemen I work with - Tom Haviland and Richard Hirschman. It’s been 7 months so I guess I shouldn’t have made that assumption.

In case you aren’t familiar with our work:

https://laurakasner.substack.com/p/our-work-is-now-published

kittynana's avatar

@Laura- I am so grateful for your and Tom's work on this. I still say it's what husband had and the plasma donating machines saved his life.

Cathy's avatar

Just downloaded your book. Looking forward to reading it

Lori's avatar

Good. Glad to hear it as that is how it should be. Your colleagues are gutless turds for pushing jabs and letting people die of covid not giving them ivermec. Mass murder is what the AMA and doctors in this country allowed. They will NEVER be forgiven.

kittynana's avatar

@Lori- the AMA is like the NRA: very few belong to it.

Lori's avatar

every doc I know belongs to the AMA but either way, most docs followed their narrative so they are no good anyway.

SB's avatar
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Yea, I’ve found cholesterol tests to be nothing but a measure of how much red meat and eggs you’ve had. Mine came back high once and I realized I had been eating more eggs than normal. Stopped eating eggs and test 3 months later was fine. Same thing happened a few years later when I’d been eating more hamburgers than normal. So I tell anyone who asks what to do if they get a high cholesterol result to stop eating eggs and beef about a month before the test.

Dr. Philip Ovadia's avatar

Go back to eating meat and eggs. High cholesterol isn't necessarily a problem.

kittynana's avatar

@Dr. Phi(ip) (see what I'm doing there? ;) )- I wish you had been around when husband started his whole immune-system-going-haywire episode 3 weeks after his second Moderna injection culminating in myocarditis (not just for teenaged boys!) and now AFib and PVCs because of it. The PVCs are so numerous, two electrophysiologists, one at Cleveland Clinic, couldn't do the ablations. He was prepped and ready to be knocked out both times. He's going for a PET scan in October because I asked the cardiologist "So...he has an EF of 43. Are we just waiting for it to get to the high 30s before we do anythng about it?" He said he wants to avoid that. Been a long haul.

Dr. Philip Ovadia's avatar

Look into insulin resistance as a contributing factor. I have helped many people improve and reverse heart failure using diet, lifestyle, bioregulators, peptides, etc. I see patients via telemedicine and am licensed in all 50 states plus DC. ifixhearts.com

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Who knows.

All I know is im glad I don't have to worry about playing "Russian Roulette" down the road.

So glad i didn't take the rat juice and have Damocles Sword hanging over my head for the rest of my life.

NormaJeanne's avatar

Amen to that! But I have immense sympathy for those who were forced to comply or lose their livelihoods resulting in loss of the ability to support themselves and their families. The betrayal is unforgivable.

Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

Yes. My much-loved daughter-in-law is one of them and every report of turbo cancer or an otherwise healthy person dropping dead terrifies me.

kittynana's avatar

@Queen- Let me see....my sister got breast cancer in both breasts, my brother has prostate cancer (does not run in the family), and my other, very healthy sister is recovering from triple bypass where her arteries were 'calcified'. I can't seem to really get a straight answer. My other brother is fine and I never took the shots (I've always been the odd man out in my family).

Lori's avatar

Odd man is good Kittynana!

Lori's avatar

Does it terrify her at all or does she think the jabs were safe?

Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

We avoid the conversation. She knows and she’s now a home birthing anti vaxxer, but that subject is just avoided. Especially with my son who just can’t think about it at all.

I wish we could because I’d try to get her tested for spike prevalence and get her some of the treatment options. But I don’t want to be the one shoving on her.

Lori's avatar

Yes, the spike test would be helpful and then the protocols that Dr. Kory and the IMA havea set up. I understand their reluctance however. Power of prayer is vital and we can all do that! I wish them continued health and no issues. Best news she is an anti vaxxer now and home birthing so the baby is not jabbed with Hep B on day 1. Good for her!

GregWA's avatar

"Unforgivable"...You're right of course but so far the accounting is minimal. So, forgiven or not, they are certainly unpunished.

Cheryl Schroeder's avatar

Yes, there were so many that were encouraged, or insisted upon. Then there were those that acted as sheep…..

Juju's avatar
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What I love about all of you here in this community is your ability to be openly thankful for being vaccine free while still embracing and loving those of us who aren’t. That’s kindness. I celebrate your circumstances with you, and you sympathize with mine.

There are so many unavoidable and unique circumstances out there that led to someone getting the first shots in 2021. Some of those reasons many people have never considered. Neither group should disparage the other. (And I do not believe publicly thanking God Almighty that you didn’t get the shot is disparaging in any way. It’s a statement of fact and a reason to celebrate with you. And … it means I can be content in knowing that even if I die from the shots you’ll still be here demanding justice for all those it took. šŸ’Ŗ)

ā¤ļø

Susan G's avatar

Thank you for thanking the community for caring about us, the ones who took the vax but have seen the light.

Oma's avatar

I love your heart, Juju. I love your words.

mspring's avatar

Juju, one of the fascinating (in a crazy way) about the shots is their introduction and use was so mixed up, haphazard, poorly done, that it is a nonzero chance that you got saline, or a batch that was so diluted or ineffective, you may be spike free. Long as you keep truckin' it's good!

Jpeach's avatar

We will probably never know. Graham certainly had highly motivated enemies, took too many jabs and a family history of heart disease. We are learning that coincidences are rare.

Juju's avatar

Yes and all three are equally possible. It’s not a conspiracy to entertain the murder angle. It’s responsible to do so in this case. So long as we all stay grounded and realize it still could have been related to his family’s history.

shayne's avatar

Me too, Ryan!

Dr Linda's avatar

ā€œNowadays, those words are less associated with the jabsā€

I unapologetically still associate those words with jabs. The deaths from these poison shots will continue.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

The silence in regard to the deaths caused by the covid DeathVax is deafening.

Has the whole world lost their minds?

Politico Phil's avatar

D E N I A L... just sweep the American genocide under the rug.

Lori's avatar

The simple answer, yes. The same ones voting for commies and letting violent criminals off the hook.

Dr Linda's avatar

I think very few of us are sane. Or courageous enough to take a stand.

Debra's avatar

It's not just the shots. Anyone who contracted the virus or had "the flu" from 2020 to now has had some kind of Covid infection in them. It is the spike protein from both virus and vaccine that are killing many now and in the future. I never took any shot but did get the virus. I was diagnosed with AFib in October 2025 never having any signs of heart issues for 71 years.

CHop's avatar

Agree...we all need to constantly detox as the shedding is nonstop

Dr Linda's avatar

I don’t know if it’s known how long the shedded effects last.

I agree. Detoxing is very important.

Richard Whitney's avatar

They could have used "Sudden and unexpected".

But maybe they didn't want to ring any memory bells.

Mrs. RW

Dr Linda's avatar

Being alive these days is a roller coaster ride. Generally, I am a big fan. However, lately this ride has been wearing.

Neil Kellen's avatar

Here's a suggestion:

Tell the four reporters they will be accompanying Trump on a trip to the mideast on the new AF1. After the flight has left, inform the reporters that Trump is not on board and that they will experience, first hand, the anticipation of a missile strike.

Juju's avatar

Brilliant!!!!

Bart Rinkenberger's avatar

To everyone who reads coffee and Covid for free….

I highly recommend that you become a paid subscriber. šŸ’µ

2 reasons…

1) You are missing great content on Sunday. šŸ”„

2) Mr. Jeff works very very hard to provide amazing content and if you pay, he gets the money. šŸŖŽ

For years I read for free. Then I realized how much Jeff blessed my life with his writing, it takes hours of his time, and the way he gets paid is one subscription at a time. So I did it. āœ”ļø

If you are not a subscriber, do it. Just do it now. Take the 5 minutes and make it happen. šŸ’°

Jeff, thank you for your labor of love. I hope I get to meet you someday and thank you personally. You have blessed my life. ā¤ļø

Non-subscribers… there’s no time like the present. Do it now. šŸ¤ŸšŸ¼

Justin's avatar

He's got a very steep subscription fee. I throw a few $50 donations his way during the year as my token of thanks.

Oma's avatar

That works!

Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

If I had the money, I absolutely would. But Jeff says not to subscribe if it would cause a financial pinch. His paid subscriptions are for people who are not on a tight budget.

C. Wilson's avatar

That's what I did after reading for "free" for a few years. The Sunday issue is invaluable, but I'm paying for the whole package. Mr. Childers is still underpaid!

Steenroid's avatar

Agree 100%. It applies to any other author you read and enjoy.

Juju's avatar
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There is also a middle option. I do a monthly subscription via an external link he provides at the bottom of his articles. It’s what I can afford. I may not get Sundays, but I am content knowing that I’m helping support him and his work at an amount I can actually afford. So … three options! Free, Substack subscription, or external subscription. šŸ™‚

Sharon Sewell's avatar

Does he take Pay Pal?

Peter GL's avatar
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So the ā€œ[NYT] journalists report the facts and advance the American public’s right to know how their government is operating and how their taxpayer dollars are being used.ā€ Don't make me laugh Mr McCraw! At least not in this century have the NYT reported facts when it comes to political matters, only propaganda, the writers wouldn't recognize facts if they crashed into them!

Juju's avatar
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You’d think they would have rallied behind DOGE if this were true! Instead they fed the bomb Tesla frenzy and protests. You’d think they would be promoting Nick Shirley’s work more. Instead they are feeding the narrative to legally stop investigations and painting it as Trump trying to steal elections. Why aren’t they investigating the Fraud in NGOs? Because they are liars.

šŸ¤¦šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø Such hypocrites.

RunningLogic's avatar

I keep seeing people complain that DOGE is the reason for food poisoning outbreaks, like that never happened before DOGE or it happened far less frequently šŸ™„

CL Shoemake's avatar

šŸ’Æ šŸ’Æ šŸ’Æ!!!!

Stephen Eber's avatar

Aortic aneurysms are usually asymptomatic prior to dissection. Death is near instantaneous. People rarely make it to the hospital in time. This is not that strange a case. It still could be related to the vax though.

Valerie's avatar

I’m with you, I still think it’s the most plausible explanation. Unless it wasn’t really an aortic dissection.

LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Aortic can also be from heavy metal poisoning.

Juju's avatar

Or certain chemicals easy to introduce into his system via transdermal administration, or food ingested. Equally possible.

Lori's avatar

Foul play, whether jab or assassination.

Julie's avatar

Hello. Would you consider discussing Julie DeVuono’s case in NY? The nurse persecuted for providing covid cards to over 4,000 essential frontline workers during NY’s vax mandate.

Carrie's avatar

People who did that are heros

Julie's avatar

There’s a couple fundraisers; www.givesendgo.com/wildchildwell and Go Fund Me ā€œJulie DeVuono Fight for Medical Freedom.

PamelaZelie's avatar

Thanks; I donated.

Michael Miller's avatar

The conspiracy theories abound. I know lots of people a lot younger than 71 who while looking perfectly robust, keel over and die of heart attacks.

Now the US reveres a neocon who never met a war he didn’t love. He called Trump a ā€œkook, race baiting, xenophobic, religious bigotā€. Wasn’t he a proponent of the Jan ā€œInsurrectionā€ label? Hasn’t he been one of the biggest supporters of the degrade Russia through the US’ Ukraine proxy war?

It’s amazing how everyone becomes a saint upon death.

LMWC's avatar

While I would never wish him dead, he was not a huge supporter of Trump. He was a neocon politician and I will never forget how he turned on Trump during Jan 6 and pushed the insurrectionist label. He never changed it either. He knew what the deal was. He would have gotten rid of Trump numerous times if he could have.

Beckadee's avatar

It's complicated. In the end he was one of Trump's biggest supporters, like JD Vance, Rubio, RFK Jr etc. He co-sponsored the SAVE Act and I'm sure other good things, and he lit a new one into the Dems when they attacked Kavanaugh. I'll give him a pass.

The pussy Republicans sitting there and the typical turd Dems on that committee got a wake up call with this. https://youtu.be/YtZ3cFvmkUI?

RunningLogic's avatar

I agree, I am not a huge fan for several reasons but he wasn’t all bad by any means.

Juju's avatar
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Nobody here is making him a ā€œsaintā€ before or after his death. We know his failings, short comings, and downright betrayals. But we are fighting for the future of our country. At a time like this you align with those who see the criticality we face and vote accordingly. Lindsey was doing that.

RunningLogic's avatar

I also read that despite his many years in politics, his net worth was much more modest than that of many other senators and representatives.

Jacquijacq's avatar

Agreed. I never liked him but I won’t speak I’ll of the dead. Wish Nathanito would agree

Susan G's avatar

The most interesting post (to me) about Graham was from Monica Lewinsky, who noted that Lindsay, one of the impeachment managers, was at the forefront of exposing the WH attempts to smear her. Graham was a complex and flawed man, as are we all. I personally disagreed with his foreign policy, but refuse to villify him after his death.

Beckadee's avatar

He did the same for Kavanaugh. I posted a video of him tearing the Repubs but mostly the Dems a new one to their face. They say that alone is what got Kavanaugh thru. Exposed Sen. Feinstein for coordinating and sitting on Blasey Ford info. I posted it above.

Johnny-O's avatar

Did Michael "vilify" him? Doesn't appear that way to me.

kittynana's avatar

@Michael- yes to all. Then he sat back and listened and learned. He and Trump were good friends. They didn't always agree- just like my husbvand and I don't always agree- but they were able to rise above it all. And he rescinded most of what he said about J6 after being finally let into the loop

Lori's avatar
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I never cared for him plus he was a rabid Zionist.

James Goodrich's avatar

I’m sure the deafening silence in DC will remain about the mRNA covid shots. While exempting themselves Lindsey Graham and many of his colleagues were big advocates for the shots which was their right to take, just not his right to force others to take experimental chemical injections. Here’s Lindsey.

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/lindsey-graham-dies-suddenly-after-14th-covid-booster/

Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

well perhaps the fibrous clots blew apart his heart, omg 14 jabs! mind blowing.

Laura Kasner's avatar

Nikki - wanna see a video of one of those clots being pulled out of a jugular vein?

Caution - it’s graphic

https://substack.com/@laurakasner/note/c-292008779

Susan Daniels's avatar

People need to see what the shots cause in the body.

Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

I have been aware of the clots since you first started talking about them. I have tried to share, but people (the jabbed) don't want to know.

Juju's avatar

It’s surreal, isn’t it? I mean if alien creatures like the ones we have seen depicted in films were ever to descend on us and wrap themselves inside us around our nervous system, controlling us or making us ill, and someone were to discover it and film themselves disentangling it, these people would shut down their minds and not believe it. 😳 They’d let the invasion continue to their demise.

Tiny basket of deplorable's avatar

Curious…why did they use a surgical cloth if it was an autopsy?

Laura Kasner's avatar

Tiny - that is an embalming, not an autopsy. Cloth was used to ensure the identity of the deceased is unknown.

SD Scott's avatar

Looks like plastic

Susan Seas's avatar

And I believe they were not mandatory for senators? Congressman, and White House staffers.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Congress was exempt from being forced to take the jabs.

LMWC's avatar

And why among 100’s of other non explanations was this never explained to the public who often were forced to take the jabs or lose their jobs. Kind of the same as why Congress never had their health care under Obamacare as the rest did.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I suspect a lot of people did not know that Congress was exempt from taking the jabs because of the extreme censorship by MSM and especially social media. So many people were kicked off of YouTube, Facebook, and pre-Elon Twitter.

I watched Bannon in the morning and Alex Jones in the evening. You can love or hate Alex Jones, but he was on the forefront of warning people about covid and the covid jabs. Jones had the late Dr. Francis Boyle on his show in early 2020 stating the covid was a bioweapon. And later that year, Dr. Boyle warned about the jabs also being a bioweapon. I remember when I told people in 2020 that covid was a bioweapon, they looked at me like I had lost my mind.

Richard Whitney's avatar

I remember that. Dr. Boyle warned about that early. I want to say Feb. 2020.

I believed the real experts, not those who played one on TV.

Mrs. RW

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Yes, it was February 2020. He was the first voice I heard debunking the wet market fairytale.

Susan Seas's avatar

Yes, that’s what I meant. I probably should have stated clearer. Or given myself more time to wake up šŸ˜‚

Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

Susan your probably right, only the American people do the rules apply, Government is exempt from all the laws. At least that is what are "elected " individuals seem to think.

Politico Phil's avatar

While that is a very reasonable and plausible possibility, I am very skeptical about this. As one of the biggest supporters of war and the military industrial complex, I would have to believe that he got "The Memo" about the bio-weapon shot. Of course, people that are big war hawks are not at all concerned about genocide, either abroad or at home. His 14 shots is just more psyops, imo.

James Goodrich's avatar

I’m honestly not saying he took 14 shots, although he definitely advocated for others to take the shots. I don’t want anyone to die but I wish when this government decides to send troops into a war their family, brothers sisters their children, or they themselves be the first to go, with a rifle or on a ship or in a plane. This to me would be a clear sign of allegiance to the war and to this country, No? I’m telling you, there would suddenly be no foreign forever wars.

Politico Phil's avatar

Right? "Wars for thee but none for me."

Lori's avatar

You don't want anyone to die? Not Fauci, Those that participate with infants in SRA, Antifa and the list goes on. I want them all stone cold and then I can piss on their graves.

Politico Phil's avatar

I can always count on you to reflect my own unstated thought.

Lori's avatar

LOL, thanks Phil!

Lori's avatar

14 COVID JABS, HOLY SHIT. No wonder he is a goner.

Dr. Tom Servo's avatar

Or Number 8 - The Democrats. They want control of the Senate badly. I would not put it past them.

steven t koenig's avatar

The senate would be a good place to fight a civil war, and leave the rest of us out of it

Politico Phil's avatar

"What happens in Ukraine stays in Ukraine."

Torrance Stephens's avatar

Facts: Was a looooooong list of folks who wanted LG dead.

The man had a grand sense of humor. You will be missed, sir.

The irony is that just a few days ago, the Iranian regime threatened to kill Senator Graham.

Word of advice: pack your own lunch when in Ukraine, just sayin'

PSA: White Supremacy and the DSA Walk Hand in Hand.

https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/white-supremacy-and-the-dsa-walk

Politico Phil's avatar

The MIC will definitely miss him! Everyone else... not so much.

Richard Whitney's avatar

I saw a meme yesterday showing the photo Jeff shared, with Lindsey holding a drone, manufactured to rip human beings to shreds, and sporting a wide grin of happiness.

It then pointed out that he went from that to lying on a autopsy slab, with half the world celebrating. I'm betting it's more than half, but have no way of knowing.

Mrs. RW

Johnny-O's avatar

I think the list of those missing Graham is short. The world is a little safer without him.

SteelJ's avatar

I read a memorable X post yesterday, it said to remember everyone who publicly praises Graham, and never trust them again. Wise words.

Johnny-O's avatar

Hilarious. And true.

Torrance Stephens's avatar

Praising an attribute, "dude had a sense of humor," is not praising a person.

At least he died as wealthy as he entered office:" died with a net worth of about $1.4 million, with congressional disclosures from May showing a lower-end estimate of just over $600,000 and an upper estimate of a little more than $2.2 million"

Your life must be one of misery to lack any grace whatsoever.

SteelJ's avatar

I don't extend grace to devils, so have a life of misery? I won't extend grace to Fauci, Birx, Bourla, Bancel, or Zelinskii if they pass before I do. Not sorry if that offends you.

Torrance Stephens's avatar

Doesn't offend me. I just believe in extending grace to even my enemies. I learn a lot from my faith and being a Christian. I leave the heave lifting to my savior .

SteelJ's avatar

Claiming I live a life of misery is unhinged. 75, healthy, unjabbed, surrounded by nice people who bear zero resemblance to LG, thank God. I feel no empathy for those who display no empathy. Not changing that. Do your Christian beliefs include not murdering thousands of Iranians who never attacked us in a so-called preemptive war? Iran hasn't attacked any country for over 300 years. We kill foreigners all the time, despite being isolated and safe. Killing people because you claim they want to kill you is ridiculous, not Christian. Same fear-mongering that produced the Iraq war, Afghanistan debacle, and COVID response. Among other disasters to transfer money to the MIC and oligarchy and keep us distracted. It's as transparent a ruse as we saw during COVID.

Richard Whitney's avatar

You can extend grace to people with ordinary flaws. Giving it to a vicious war monger, responsible for the deaths of millions, is not necessary, or even gracious.

Mrs. RW

Johnny-O's avatar
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You said he will be missed. No grace needed here. He voted for countless wars and helped the country go into unsustainable debt.

I know I am a good person and have nothing to hide or to feel guilty for. I simply said the world is a little safer without him, which is remarkably true, and you act like I was some vicious a-hole. You sound worse than me, imo, defending a warmonger who voted for wars that lead to the death, injury, displacment, and misery of millions around the globe. Very Christian like I guess.

Graham will meet his maker.