I believe it is all orchestrated. Timing is too perfect. Both are very smart men and know when to present a scheduled shitshow to the media to have them wag their tails and play Fetch with the ball both men are throwing. However, contrary to Jeff's statement that Trump no longer needs Musk, I do not agree. One never knows what the future holds and Musk is a vital resource when the chips are down.
I believe it is all orchestrated. Timing is too perfect. Both are very smart men and know when to present a scheduled shitshow to the media to have them wag their tails and play Fetch with the ball both men are throwing. However, contrary to Jeff's statement that Trump no longer needs Musk, I do not agree. One never knows what the future holds and Musk is a vital resource when the chips are down.
Especially with Musk throwing off the Epstein comment. They want the Dems to want the Epstein information released, too! I think they have maneuvered for bipartisan desire to release the Epstein lists/files/videos, etc.
I think you are correct! If Trump was on the list, it would have been brought out when he was in his first term. Both Trump and Elon love this country… they are not going to do anything that will hurt the American people.
Because a lot more Democrats in all walks of life but especially celebrities and politicians are in the E-files and they haven't wanted the files released. This way, they're now demanding the release if there's any chance DJT is in them. Played right into the right's hands.
I don’t. I understand the desire to perceive it this way. I did for most of yesterday, even hoped for it. But then common sense overpowered my emotional desires. I haven’t yet seen Trump and this party outright lie and deceive their supporters. They spend time exposing that on the left. What would this look like if months from now we hear, “yeah, that was staged, but look what we revealed, look at what was accomplished from that stunt…” That would basically mean the ends justify the means, and that is not what MAGA embraces. That would also mean that we can never, ever trust anything they do or say ever again. I just don’t believe they would risk their credibility that way, by lying so blatantly to the public.
So that means it was organic. Now, will they use that? Of course.
I believe something lies beneath and that it served to detract the dems once again for them to look another way for a reason not yet known. Time will tell.
Do not discount how the left will react, even becoming Musk-avites again. This could help not only Tesla but Starlink becoming a major fix in the Air Traffic Controller system.
In an off topic but possibly a related isssue, SpaceX would be critical in mining the moon and or Mars!
I don't know about plasma, but supposedly the Chinese have a base on the dark side of the moon, that they will be using to mine Helium Three, which is supposedly useful in powering AI, and other things.
Well if you get rid of NASA you get rid of the biggest user of Helium in the world. Let that marinate. Not trying to be mean either. Think about why would they be the biggest user?
What I mean is that we are at the Finish Line of having any catastrophes or Wars anymore!!! President Trump is a President who does not believe in Wars. All of our Men & Women will be coming home. We will still have the best Military ever!! What was stolen from us will be given back. All of the tax money we should have never been charged, all the money that we paid for anything we shouldn’t have ever been charged for will be coming back to you. Look up Nesara on Yandex. Yandex is a platform you have to download to get any information! Any!! We will be debt free, we will be never wanting for another thing! It’s all about Humanity right now. What can you do for Humanity that would make our Country better? Think of a plan. Where your heart is. What bothers you about an area of life that you could make better.
It is going to come down to us in each Town making our own rules. I’m already thinking of who I would want to be with on a Team. I’m disabled but my Heart is with the Children and the Elderly! Both have been inhumanly treated!!!
If you download Yandex as your google and take Google away. Use Yandex as much as you can. Then look up things about the Sun and Moon. YouTube is allowing a whole lot more now again. But the Sun has a Patent. Tons of information coming out now because President Trump has control of the whole Country right now except the the ones who he has been friends with like Putin, XiXi, Mexico, Turkey, Saudi. Plus we have BRICS. It stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. Look up that words. All about Gold/Silver and our new money system. The Dollar is done. We just haven’t switched yet. But it’s all about Peace and Humanity now.
2. Plasma is one of the four (agreed, not three) states of matter, other than solid, liquid, or gas.
If I allowed myself, which I won't, the time to delve into the possibility that the moon is plasma, I would fail to eat and waste away, except for my cats interrupting me, lol. Not going there today anyway. But I won't discourage anyone else from going there.
3. As far as the money bit, I have been waiting for gold to hit a high and then watch Trump have the US stockpile revalued, but since I'm living on the 2025 version of a "widow's mite"-size income, I will be a spectator (not a gold owner) watching to see if the national debt is wiped out, and beneficial (for the American people) projects are forthcoming, or if once again, the US spends everything and more on stuff like going to Mars and AI, while us peasants are entertained to death.
3. Also, who knows what surprises will happen before the mid-terms to address those enemies in the camp we are also watching the Trump admin contend with.
4. God knows the perfect timing to contain us, bless us, teach us, console us, build us up, and take us home.
Well Anita that debt was paid for when President Trump won his first term. First he had to fix the constitution because the deep state changed it in 1871 so he changed the constitution made it back to the way it’s supposed to be and paid all the debt off. He also was in connection with the US postmaster of the whole United States. I can’t think of his name right now, but yeah that happened a long time ago.
I agree Juju. I follow Eric Metaxas and I loved what he had to say. He said that Elon is an unstable genius and Trump is a stable genius. But God’s hand is on Trump to lead this nation and we can put our trust in God.
It’s evident that Elon Musk is unstable, his behavior is quirky and erratic. He does weird stuff on a regular basis like carrying his five year old son around on his shoulders, taking him into the Oval Ofiice and showing up with a black eye that he got from that kid. This is not normal parenting folks.
I hope and pray that this will blow over without harm to the nation or to either of them, and that Jeff’s scenario of it being a win-win plays out well.
I agree that it doesn’t matter whether it’s real or not but I also don’t think it’s a win. It’s tarnishing both of them because they look like babies and not leaders. This is one of the reasons Trump lost support before. He’s the President of the United States. He should be above tantrums. I’m also disappointed in Elon. He’s always been for the people. This doesn’t help anyone.
Yes, you're right. So not exactly the same as what was just passed with the Moderna stuff. thanks for pointing that out .
I was having trouble editing my longish post.... so anyone interested can read the very recent substack from solarireport.substack.com . regarding the deep concerns about recent vax policies :
An Open Letter to HHS Secretary Kennedy and FDA Commissioner Marty Makary: Deliver on MAHA Agenda
yes, not happy about this IT IS NOT MAHA. I posted my two cents on Dan Scavino's feed today. I will continue to post it. Make no dang sense. RFK agreed to no more mRNA without placebo-controlled trials. We already know how toxic the mRNA is - what are they thinking? I am thinking that DARPA already had a new contract signed sealed and delivered when Biden rushed out the funs before the end of his Presidency., the money and the mfg. started before Trump took office., not sure though on how fast the lines work.
I agree he does need Musk in that it drove a lot of support for Trump but I also believe that Musk will return if its needed. I side with orchestrated.
This is my hunch too. And just a hunch. And I agree with today's C & C analysis because it not only gets both men off the hook but it also frees up both in being unencumbered by self-reinforcing distractions. Trump does not need upstaging in the White House. And Musk has companies to run. It's a perfect resolution. Maybe too perfect?
I also think that Trump and Putin are behind the scenes coordinating. And what is going on with Russia and the United States with regard to Iran so far seconds the motion. Just think about it. Both Trump and Putin want the war to end, to normalize relations and get business deals done. What is in the way of this? Idiot Clown Globalists acting out in the UK, EU and the United States. And the worse they act out, the easier for both Russia and the US to blame the recalcitrants for getting what they deserve by digging in their pathetic warmongering heels. See! It not Trump's fault that 'they' would not listen and sign a peace deal when the terms were actually the best 'they' could get.
The Commie Globalist are really not very smart people!
Yeah, the Trump-Musk thing strikes me as distraction. Look around for the smaller stories they don't want you noticing. Could have to do with the decade AI block on States rights in the BBB? Or possibly the increasing likely hood of banks failing from commercial real estate investment crash. Please recall the banks have a "bail-IN" fund now - that is YOUR money in all accounts.
Along with the Globalist controlled CIA, which is lobbing more crap from Ukraine at Russia. And Graham & company fiddling in Ukraine before it burns to the ground.
Trump had better pull the US from NATO; more than one reason for that, including the fact that EU & UK are quickly becoming part of the Caliphate. And Canada becoming part of the CCP is NOT going to be good for US.
He'd do well to end the CIA, but then, where do the agents go?
Yes, Lindsy and Bloomenthal each spent 400,000 each for two days in Ukraine? Reportedly, President Trump did not know they were going there? Then two days later Zelensky hits Russia and the Crimea bridge?
Yours is a fair question. And on the surface your thinking makes logical sense. But then again, there are the other factional players political to be considered, and to be considered with respect to their political supporters and contextually given that there is a 'to the death/all or nothing' civil war which is both somewhat covert and also by other means raging throughout the Collective West. And then there are the optics, the conditioning of political atmospherics that must be undertaken with careful preparation and implementation.
Putin's political position is pretty secure in that the Russian Federation is winning the war and dominating the entire theater and with immense Russian home support of the war effort. Trump's position is more precarious. Trump has to play every one of his cards just right. Trump has to do so in a way that he can walk away from a Globalist war not of his making and pin the tail on the donkey (his Globalist Perpetual War enemies). And everyone sees that the Crazy Clown Leaders are the bad cause and the blame. So far, Trump is playing it square straight up right, even though the noise and fury would suggest otherwise. And one tip off as to what is going, what Trump is up against is Blumenthal and Graham showing up in Kiev together (Globalist warmongering Uni-Party showing up doing their same still NeoCon vaudevillian routine). In short, Trump has a lot of political ground plowing and seeding to do before HE CAN walk away from this mess with political justification and satisfaction one his side.
This is getting long. So I'll end that the preponderance of intersecting self-interest favor Trump and Putin getting something done because they want the the same thing. They both want a normalization of relations and to get one with business and security issues favorable to both the United States and the Russian Federation. What is in the way are the petulant clown teenagers. And when in a confrontation between parent figures, the unruly dumb teenagers usually don't have a prayer.
Yesterday's C & C on Trump vs Musk was brilliant. And a key observation was that 'it does not matter whether the confrontation was real or just theater" ... it is still a win-win-win outcomes. This is an example, a brilliant example, of taking the analysis way beyond surface appearances. And it goes without saying that analysis of the political kind always is subject to revision when and as new developments present.
I believe it is all orchestrated. Timing is too perfect. Both are very smart men and know when to present a scheduled shitshow to the media to have them wag their tails and play Fetch with the ball both men are throwing. However, contrary to Jeff's statement that Trump no longer needs Musk, I do not agree. One never knows what the future holds and Musk is a vital resource when the chips are down.
Especially with Musk throwing off the Epstein comment. They want the Dems to want the Epstein information released, too! I think they have maneuvered for bipartisan desire to release the Epstein lists/files/videos, etc.
We all know that if Trump was on that list, the Deep State would’ve used it by now and he’d be gone.
I think you are correct! If Trump was on the list, it would have been brought out when he was in his first term. Both Trump and Elon love this country… they are not going to do anything that will hurt the American people.
Bingo.
If Trump was in that report it would gave been on the street years ago.
Yes, we all know that, but those with TDS can’t fathom that Trump is probably the cleanest politician in DC.
I was going to post the same thought. Those 2 planned this tiff to have the libtards demand the Epstein files. It’s so rich 🤣
Tiny B, why?
They can release the files if they want to.
They already promised they would.
Why would they need Democrats to demand release?
They’re in power; they won the election…
That's an interesting angle.
Carol, I don’t understand this line of thinking.
Trump, Bondi, Patel & Bongino have the power to release the files.
They don’t need Democrats’ permission or support to do this.
They can just do it. As they promised they would.
Because a lot more Democrats in all walks of life but especially celebrities and politicians are in the E-files and they haven't wanted the files released. This way, they're now demanding the release if there's any chance DJT is in them. Played right into the right's hands.
Haha, Lori, one of my dear husband’s favorite sayings is “don’t chase the stick”!
I don’t. I understand the desire to perceive it this way. I did for most of yesterday, even hoped for it. But then common sense overpowered my emotional desires. I haven’t yet seen Trump and this party outright lie and deceive their supporters. They spend time exposing that on the left. What would this look like if months from now we hear, “yeah, that was staged, but look what we revealed, look at what was accomplished from that stunt…” That would basically mean the ends justify the means, and that is not what MAGA embraces. That would also mean that we can never, ever trust anything they do or say ever again. I just don’t believe they would risk their credibility that way, by lying so blatantly to the public.
So that means it was organic. Now, will they use that? Of course.
I believe something lies beneath and that it served to detract the dems once again for them to look another way for a reason not yet known. Time will tell.
Do not discount how the left will react, even becoming Musk-avites again. This could help not only Tesla but Starlink becoming a major fix in the Air Traffic Controller system.
In an off topic but possibly a related isssue, SpaceX would be critical in mining the moon and or Mars!
Better do it before the Chinese. They are mucking about up there, so....
Later Jay
Jeff you can’t Mine Plasma. That’s what the Moon is. And believe it or not, Mars is on the other side of the Ice Wall. Look at old Maps.
I don't know about plasma, but supposedly the Chinese have a base on the dark side of the moon, that they will be using to mine Helium Three, which is supposedly useful in powering AI, and other things.
Well if you get rid of NASA you get rid of the biggest user of Helium in the world. Let that marinate. Not trying to be mean either. Think about why would they be the biggest user?
I’m so interested to hear what you mean! Intriguing! Thanks
What I mean is that we are at the Finish Line of having any catastrophes or Wars anymore!!! President Trump is a President who does not believe in Wars. All of our Men & Women will be coming home. We will still have the best Military ever!! What was stolen from us will be given back. All of the tax money we should have never been charged, all the money that we paid for anything we shouldn’t have ever been charged for will be coming back to you. Look up Nesara on Yandex. Yandex is a platform you have to download to get any information! Any!! We will be debt free, we will be never wanting for another thing! It’s all about Humanity right now. What can you do for Humanity that would make our Country better? Think of a plan. Where your heart is. What bothers you about an area of life that you could make better.
It is going to come down to us in each Town making our own rules. I’m already thinking of who I would want to be with on a Team. I’m disabled but my Heart is with the Children and the Elderly! Both have been inhumanly treated!!!
I'm still stuck on the moon is made of plasma... lol
If you download Yandex as your google and take Google away. Use Yandex as much as you can. Then look up things about the Sun and Moon. YouTube is allowing a whole lot more now again. But the Sun has a Patent. Tons of information coming out now because President Trump has control of the whole Country right now except the the ones who he has been friends with like Putin, XiXi, Mexico, Turkey, Saudi. Plus we have BRICS. It stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. Look up that words. All about Gold/Silver and our new money system. The Dollar is done. We just haven’t switched yet. But it’s all about Peace and Humanity now.
1. don't use Google already.
2. Plasma is one of the four (agreed, not three) states of matter, other than solid, liquid, or gas.
If I allowed myself, which I won't, the time to delve into the possibility that the moon is plasma, I would fail to eat and waste away, except for my cats interrupting me, lol. Not going there today anyway. But I won't discourage anyone else from going there.
3. As far as the money bit, I have been waiting for gold to hit a high and then watch Trump have the US stockpile revalued, but since I'm living on the 2025 version of a "widow's mite"-size income, I will be a spectator (not a gold owner) watching to see if the national debt is wiped out, and beneficial (for the American people) projects are forthcoming, or if once again, the US spends everything and more on stuff like going to Mars and AI, while us peasants are entertained to death.
3. Also, who knows what surprises will happen before the mid-terms to address those enemies in the camp we are also watching the Trump admin contend with.
4. God knows the perfect timing to contain us, bless us, teach us, console us, build us up, and take us home.
That's what I'm counting on.
Well Anita that debt was paid for when President Trump won his first term. First he had to fix the constitution because the deep state changed it in 1871 so he changed the constitution made it back to the way it’s supposed to be and paid all the debt off. He also was in connection with the US postmaster of the whole United States. I can’t think of his name right now, but yeah that happened a long time ago.
I agree Juju. I follow Eric Metaxas and I loved what he had to say. He said that Elon is an unstable genius and Trump is a stable genius. But God’s hand is on Trump to lead this nation and we can put our trust in God.
It’s evident that Elon Musk is unstable, his behavior is quirky and erratic. He does weird stuff on a regular basis like carrying his five year old son around on his shoulders, taking him into the Oval Ofiice and showing up with a black eye that he got from that kid. This is not normal parenting folks.
I hope and pray that this will blow over without harm to the nation or to either of them, and that Jeff’s scenario of it being a win-win plays out well.
What's wrong with carrying his son on his shoulders?
I agree that it doesn’t matter whether it’s real or not but I also don’t think it’s a win. It’s tarnishing both of them because they look like babies and not leaders. This is one of the reasons Trump lost support before. He’s the President of the United States. He should be above tantrums. I’m also disappointed in Elon. He’s always been for the people. This doesn’t help anyone.
That whole thing is a distraction that’s it!!! Don’t read so much into it.
@alongername: your link is from September 2023
Yes, you're right. So not exactly the same as what was just passed with the Moderna stuff. thanks for pointing that out .
I was having trouble editing my longish post.... so anyone interested can read the very recent substack from solarireport.substack.com . regarding the deep concerns about recent vax policies :
An Open Letter to HHS Secretary Kennedy and FDA Commissioner Marty Makary: Deliver on MAHA Agenda
it's too late for me to rewrite my post (somewhere in the comments) .
basically I am calling out the smoke and mirrors used to distract from one of the top promised missions of change . That of MAHA .
THIS...... is what is going on : https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-takes-action-updated-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-better-protect-against-currently-circulating
yes, not happy about this IT IS NOT MAHA. I posted my two cents on Dan Scavino's feed today. I will continue to post it. Make no dang sense. RFK agreed to no more mRNA without placebo-controlled trials. We already know how toxic the mRNA is - what are they thinking? I am thinking that DARPA already had a new contract signed sealed and delivered when Biden rushed out the funs before the end of his Presidency., the money and the mfg. started before Trump took office., not sure though on how fast the lines work.
An Open Letter to HHS Secretary Kennedy and FDA Commissioner Marty Makary: Deliver on MAHA Agenda
solarireport.substack.com
I agree he does need Musk in that it drove a lot of support for Trump but I also believe that Musk will return if its needed. I side with orchestrated.
This is my hunch too. And just a hunch. And I agree with today's C & C analysis because it not only gets both men off the hook but it also frees up both in being unencumbered by self-reinforcing distractions. Trump does not need upstaging in the White House. And Musk has companies to run. It's a perfect resolution. Maybe too perfect?
I also think that Trump and Putin are behind the scenes coordinating. And what is going on with Russia and the United States with regard to Iran so far seconds the motion. Just think about it. Both Trump and Putin want the war to end, to normalize relations and get business deals done. What is in the way of this? Idiot Clown Globalists acting out in the UK, EU and the United States. And the worse they act out, the easier for both Russia and the US to blame the recalcitrants for getting what they deserve by digging in their pathetic warmongering heels. See! It not Trump's fault that 'they' would not listen and sign a peace deal when the terms were actually the best 'they' could get.
The Commie Globalist are really not very smart people!
Yeah, the Trump-Musk thing strikes me as distraction. Look around for the smaller stories they don't want you noticing. Could have to do with the decade AI block on States rights in the BBB? Or possibly the increasing likely hood of banks failing from commercial real estate investment crash. Please recall the banks have a "bail-IN" fund now - that is YOUR money in all accounts.
Along with the Globalist controlled CIA, which is lobbing more crap from Ukraine at Russia. And Graham & company fiddling in Ukraine before it burns to the ground.
Trump had better pull the US from NATO; more than one reason for that, including the fact that EU & UK are quickly becoming part of the Caliphate. And Canada becoming part of the CCP is NOT going to be good for US.
He'd do well to end the CIA, but then, where do the agents go?
Yes, Lindsy and Bloomenthal each spent 400,000 each for two days in Ukraine? Reportedly, President Trump did not know they were going there? Then two days later Zelensky hits Russia and the Crimea bridge?
Indeed!
DaveR,
Surely if Trump & Putin really want a deal, they’d just make one? Fait accompli.
Putin would withdraw from Ukraine & stop fighting - for whatever he could get in return. Ukraine staying out of Nato, some trade deal with America…
Couldn’t they just by-pass Macron, Von der Leyen & Starmer?
Yours is a fair question. And on the surface your thinking makes logical sense. But then again, there are the other factional players political to be considered, and to be considered with respect to their political supporters and contextually given that there is a 'to the death/all or nothing' civil war which is both somewhat covert and also by other means raging throughout the Collective West. And then there are the optics, the conditioning of political atmospherics that must be undertaken with careful preparation and implementation.
Putin's political position is pretty secure in that the Russian Federation is winning the war and dominating the entire theater and with immense Russian home support of the war effort. Trump's position is more precarious. Trump has to play every one of his cards just right. Trump has to do so in a way that he can walk away from a Globalist war not of his making and pin the tail on the donkey (his Globalist Perpetual War enemies). And everyone sees that the Crazy Clown Leaders are the bad cause and the blame. So far, Trump is playing it square straight up right, even though the noise and fury would suggest otherwise. And one tip off as to what is going, what Trump is up against is Blumenthal and Graham showing up in Kiev together (Globalist warmongering Uni-Party showing up doing their same still NeoCon vaudevillian routine). In short, Trump has a lot of political ground plowing and seeding to do before HE CAN walk away from this mess with political justification and satisfaction one his side.
This is getting long. So I'll end that the preponderance of intersecting self-interest favor Trump and Putin getting something done because they want the the same thing. They both want a normalization of relations and to get one with business and security issues favorable to both the United States and the Russian Federation. What is in the way are the petulant clown teenagers. And when in a confrontation between parent figures, the unruly dumb teenagers usually don't have a prayer.
Yesterday's C & C on Trump vs Musk was brilliant. And a key observation was that 'it does not matter whether the confrontation was real or just theater" ... it is still a win-win-win outcomes. This is an example, a brilliant example, of taking the analysis way beyond surface appearances. And it goes without saying that analysis of the political kind always is subject to revision when and as new developments present.
Great question!
Or daver, the really smart ones just haven't crack the whip yet. I don't mean to be a doggy downer but, it's foretold....
Later Jay
I too believe it is planned theater another MAGA moment🇺🇲
My first thought was that it is all political theater.
I agree, it’s just too “perfect.”