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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

We left Blue across in January of this year and went to a Christian medical cost sharing organization (Samaritan Ministries, not to be confused with Samaritan’s Purse) - best decision ever. Big “healthcare” can die out for all I care. The future of true health care is private and grassroots.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

The future of true health care is natural holistic healers. Who don't use Rockefeller poison chemical "medicine" to "heal." Who don't look at human health as a fight against a dangerous natural world that must be defeated by man. By natural healers who understand the best human health is found in harmony with the natural world that man coexists and thrives in.

Man doesn't dominate the natural world. Only arrogant men believe they do. Arrogant men who dare to say, "sometimes God makes a mistake and puts a little boy (girl) inside a little girl's (boy's) body as they proceed to genitally and chemically mutilate innocent, confused children.

Rockefeller Standard Oil health care - allopathy and Big Pharma - is sick care and death care. A business model. The future of health care is natural healers.

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phlyme's avatar

Just saw in your post something that I’ve been thinking for a while. Our Creator doesn’t make mistakes like that. In my opinion. “trans “ doesn’t exist except as a form of extreme mental illness

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Like trans, masks are displays of mental illness. To pretend they protect from the natural microbiology with live in, breath in is delusional. Pretending that man controls nature. Extreme mental illness. Induced by arrogant man proclaiming their superiority over nature.

The arrogant men must be rejected. Our Creator must be embraced by his loving grace.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

FF is dropping MOAB truth bombs!

Well done!

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Bitsy54's avatar

I want a parallel HEALTH system so badly! Why must we only have procedures and prescriptions from Cookbook medicine doctors who are dictated by business model “health systems”, big Pharma and a truly corrupt insurance department? If I want a chiropractor, homeopathic, frequency specialist or heck! A frickin’ witch doctor, why can’t the money in my stolen social security pot be used for those?

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Hoping the century-and-a-quarter of Rockefeller medicine, maybe a bit longer by the time we've remodeled the system, will be recorded and viewed by future generations as a shocking indictment/conviction and lesson on what befalls humankind when they surrender their power to other humans. IMO, when seeking healing, the Creator's abundance, within and without, is the source to be held in the highest regard. 100% <𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘶𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘵𝘩 𝘤𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘢𝘭 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘴.> Another hope that I live long enough to see the closing of this chapter where healing was co-opted in the name of greed. Amen.🙏

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Bitsy54's avatar

Amen!

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rolandttg's avatar

Why does this not have 200 likes?

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

I think only because FF was a little late in getting it posted. It surely should!

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Vida Galore's avatar

I've been going to a naturopath physician for 3 years. I wouldn't go back to a regular allopathic practitioner. I realize now that they are field-dressers, not healers.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

We call our local hospital a first aid station. And they can't even get THAT right most of the time. LOL

I've been looking for a naturopath somewhere within reasonable driving distance and haven't found one.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

A lot of people like Naturopathic Physicians. For myself I prefer the non-physician traditional Naturopaths. NP's incorporate allopathic understanding of health, they'll even inject and prescribe Big Pharma products.

They provide a bridge between both worlds and systems for those who prefer to hedge their bets and stay connected to a system they were raised to trust. And they are far better than physicians who only practice in the allopathic realm.

But many of us have relegated all allopathic practices to trauma care. Broken bones and flesh wounds that cause massive bleeding or to internal organs.

Thing is, as long as we have choice the right health system for anyone is the one we believe in. No matter what "experts" say about our choices. Those with access to the most information make the best informed choices.

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Sue Kelley's avatar

I cannot give this enough❤️

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Kathy's avatar

There is also a saying “ modern medicine is built upon the ashes of witches.” And I am not talking about people who were actually evil or Satan worshipers. Many of the women who were murdered, were herbalists and midwives. Since they seemed to be able to save lives and bring babies into the world, they also were blamed when people in their village got sick or babies died for some reason. And of course, they would torture one woman until she said the names of other women or girls in her village . It was an atrocity . Wiping out these women, we lost hundreds of years of knowledge of natural healing, particularly using plant medicine. A shameful chapter in our history.

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AJF's avatar

FF can I like this 1,000,000 times?

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Precisely correct FF.

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Sue Kelley's avatar

Thanks for posting that about Samaritan. The only thing keeping me in my job as a nurse right now is healthcare costs. I truly want to leave the field as I share your disdain ( sadly)for what it has become. I am currently having to prove to my employer my " sincerely held Christian beliefs" because I won't take the flu vaccine. Beyond insulting as I MUST accept anyone's sincerely held belief they are a cat or dog or whatever they say-- no proof required. MAYBE this is my window out! 🙏

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Disclaimer: not an attorney.

Refer to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. If you need a lawyer to wordsmith your filing for a religious exemption, it might be worth it? Note the language (consult an employment law attorney) involved regarding discrimination. One does not submit a "request" for a religious exemption although they have been treated as such throughout this fiasco. A "request" can be denied.

If you are completely able-bodied and employed and for example, somehow become wheelchair bound but can still perform all the functions of your job (re nursing this is a poor example but I'll keep going anyway), you would file for accommodations with your employer (raise or lower your desk at your workstation for example). Your employer *must* provide accommodation/s unless it impacts their business to some 𝑥 degree financially or otherwise, and the onus is on them to prove their case.

Race, color, religion, sex, national origin, etc are all protected classes.

As said, filings for religious exemptions have been treated as requests, something they are NOT. Even the courts upheld employers' denial of "requests" in the early going. But now there's precedent in the courts. The old trick of denying a "request"/(not-a-request) is not something employers can rely on anymore (in the name of preserving the institution's generous cashflow incentives from government).

Today, a properly worded letter from a lawyer submitted alongside your filing for religious exemption will probably do the trick. A little out of pocket up front to save you the trouble of a lawsuit post-termination if the employer wants to keep playing the game while the rules are changing, and not in their favor?

Read again my disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Had to inform myself back in '21. Learned a couple of things. If you're in CA I can refer you to a lawyer whose primary practice is employment law.

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Copernicus's avatar

Good point about the dog/cat scenario.

Such double standards.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Agree, that IS a very good point.

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SadieJay's avatar

I got off hubs insurance (700 a month!) and went to Gold plan on Christian Healthcare Ministries. Haven't used it at all. God is good.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

He keeps our minds in perfect peace because we trust Him (Isaiah 26:3). And good healthcare insurance is practical and therefore wise.

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Not Me's avatar

I was on a Christian medical sharing plan. It is not insurance. I told my doctors office I had no insurance—-which was true—and they charged the Medicare price.

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SadieJay's avatar

Yes, I told my doc I didn't have insurance and paid cash for my annual. No blood test or any of that crap.

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Monterey's avatar

Does it function primarily as catastrophic coverage only? Have not really understood the full scope of how these types of plans work.

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Peace's avatar

It depends on the plan. There might be a minimum per event threshhold to meet before the plan will pay. Dr. offices will usually charge (you) much less if they are not submitting to insurance - hey, wonder why they charge more for the very same visit for an insured patient vs. uninsured patient?!?

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SadieJay's avatar

I think you can use them as you see fit. I don't use it because there are others in need who need it.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

The Darkhorse podcast (Heather Heying and Brett Weinstein) have done an advertisement for exactly such a health insurer: private and grassroots. I cannot think of its name right now, but it is like the old fashioned insurance companies, more like a credit union where members receive the benefits and there are no stockholders. I'm thinking this idea will catch on as we learn to do more things for ourselves.

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Kathy's avatar

FLCCC has several webinars featuring doctors who have moved away from hospitals and groups, to having their own private practice.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

The name of the organization I couldn't think of up there is at joincrowdhealth.com

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Peace's avatar

There are quite a few of these cost-sharing healthcare programs and they all function a little differently.

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Janet's avatar

If RFKjr can help turn our abysmal health situation around, there will be much less need for the likes of BCBS. My last visit to a conventional doc was in 2022 after a hip replacement. I’m a real grouch about paying the monthly supplement $ while my real doctor (functional) causes my eyes to water on cost.

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Kiara Sands's avatar

We have been with Samaritans ministries for 12 years absolutely love them and they will often cover naturopathic remedies.

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Fred's avatar

Need to check it out. Corporate takeover is disastrous!

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Vida Galore's avatar

OMG I would love to do this.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Check out joincrowdhealth.com From what I've heard, the cost for an individual is very reasonable. I first heard about them on the Darkhorse podcast a month or so ago.

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Monterey's avatar

Can you briefly explain how that type plan works? Does it function mainly as catastrophic coverage primarily?

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