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Based Florida Man's avatar

Dana White going off on corrupt doctors. I'm glad it's not just substackers who vocalize how bad the medical industry has become. Will a group of docs finally come out against the corruption that owns them fully? We will stand with them.

Jpeach's avatar

Finding a Doc who practices the Hippocratic Oath, is harder than finding a honest auto repair shop.

MadWorld's avatar

The docs who do not take insurance and are unaffiliated with hospitals are the only ones who are truly free to practice medicine the way they see fit

Julie Ann B's avatar

I’ve moved to holistic medicine, the use of chiropractors (who I previously looked down on) and/or functional medicine doctors. They’re out there you just need to find like-minded individuals who can share what they’ve found. I’d rather pay out of pocket than support the big hospital or healthcare corporations that take orders from Big Pharma and the Federal govt.

Verve's avatar

If I could just get a policy for major medical, I'd dump my insurance in a heartbeat and take that extra money to pay out of pocket for the healthcare that I actually need. The parallel health system of ethical providers is forming nonetheless, and pressure will be brought to bear with insurance companies because eventually no one will be able to afford their premiums.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

In my ignorance, I had shared your attitude toward chiropractors. No longer. And am led to wonder whether your/my/my mother's dismissive attitude came via a large marketing campaign from entities which stood to gain from pushing chiropractic out of the public eye.

John Bugni's avatar

Often the reputable professional societies, usually identified by the doctors that start them or join them, like The FLCCC (Frontline Covid Critical Alliance:Pierre Kory and Paul Marik) or the AAPS (American Association of Physicians and Surgeons) will have a referral listing of their member doctors in each state. I found my Functional Physician (also Integrative physicians) that way.

Garden Lover's avatar

I’ve been paying out of pocket for years. When the people came around trying to get others to sign petitions in support of Obummercare, I refused. I’ve pretty much patronized herbalists, alternative practioners, and chiropractors for decades. Only in the last couple of years have they covered chiro. All Obummercare did was increase everyone’s health (or sickness) insurance, and, even then, a lot of people still can’t afford it.

Peace's avatar

Yes - the "independent" docs who are not affiliated with hospitals or large medical corporations seem to be the only ones worthy of a visit from us. I would love to know the percentage of doctors who fit this description of "independent."

Sharon Wood's avatar

I read the new docs just enter your symptoms into an app then write the scripts.

AngelaK's avatar

If you mean 'concierge', they are too expensive for the average Joe.

Emumundo's avatar

Independent doctors are almost impossible to find now. Insurance, including Medicare, is the lifeblood of a doctors practice. A doctor I used to have had a thriving practice, but it hinged on insurance. When he was 30 years into his practice his office manager retired. He couldn’t find another experienced office manager who could do the insurance- most were “ bought up” by large health care systems. That health care system offered him a deal he couldn’t refuse- they bought his practice,including employees; they would take care of all the billing; and they paid his malpractice- which at that was $20,000. a month. All that plus regular office hours. No on call and no hospital visits. That, plus increased government oversight saying what and how much can be prescribed and for what disorder. He used to be a great doctor, we would sit in the waiting room and we would hear people talk about what a great doctor he was. He’s now in a health care system and he’s still a great doctor but struggles with the new parameters of practicing medicine. I don’t know what we’ll do when he retires.

Tom's avatar

I would love to know who both of those doctors are.

Markus's avatar

Agree! We need to move from the insurance model that jacks up the price of medical care in order to frighten people into buying expensive health insurance. They like high healthcare costs because it leads to very high premiums. It's a racket that needs to come to an end. I for one will never trust a regular practitioner as well. I'm done with them and will look for independent doctors instead.

AngelaK's avatar

What is with the costs charged to insurances and medicare?! A 10 minute consult with a spine specialist a few years back cost me nothing, but he charged my insurance 10k!!!

Now I am on on Medicare, and I saw that an upper endoscopy was charged 22k!!!

What is this insanity!!!!

space's avatar

Yes. And it's so unfortunate that only people with significant disposable income can afford these practitioners. As someone who has limited income, I choose to make personal financial sacrifices so that I can pay out-of-pocket for a practitioner. This physician looks for root causes of health concerns, stressing healthy diet, exercise, fresh air, and satisfying interpersonal relationships as the cornerstones for good health.

LoveOur2Dogs's avatar

I agree. Finding an independent doctor is often costly and unfortunately limited to those who can afford them.

And don’t trust “naturopathic” doctors just because they have that label. Some still encourage Covid/flu vaccine, which is unbelievable to me.

Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

I just found one, but he’s almost two hours away. We go, but I feel like we live in a health care desert.

John Bugni's avatar

Often the reputable professional societies, usually identified by the doctors that start them or join them, like The FLCCC (Frontline Covid Critical Alliance:Pierre Kory and Paul Marik) or the AAPS (American Association of Physicians and Surgeons) will have a referral listing of their member doctors in each state. I found my Functional Physician (also Integrative physicians) that way.

STH's avatar

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Everyone needs to call their PCP’s office and ask if they’re still recommending the clot shots. If they say “yes” FIRE THEM and find a good naturopath or out of network functional medicine doc. They’re the only ones that have ever helped me. And a few select specialists.

Bitsy54's avatar

We desperately need the parallel medical/dental practitioners; ones who truly embrace “First, do no harm” Our sick care system has encouraged such nonsensical practices as Well Checkups. The old school thought was to not fix what wasn’t broken. People nowadays are so scared of being sick but don’t realize the number 3 cause of death is IATROGENESIS (causation of disease , harmful complications, or ill effects by any medical activity) No one seems to take responsibility for bad diet, lack of exercise or deplorable life style choices; they want a pill, procedure or surgery to fix it.

Bitsy54's avatar

The issue I have is that the money stolen from my paycheck to pay for Medicare will NOT allow me to use it as I want. Medicare should be a “forced” savings plan that gives you a payout, based on what is in your account, that you can use for medical bills- ANY medical bills. If I want to go to a chiropractor, naturopath or a voodoo doctor shouldn’t matter to the insurance company. Be more like car insurance: choose and pay your premium, use your check for your chosen provider. I’d be good with killing Medicare/Medicaid all together. Too many illegals and suck bay commandos sucking us dry. I’m 69 and remember when only my dad had major medical coverage; the rest of us used home remedies or payment plans with doctors. NO ONE went to the doctor for sniffles!

Datagal's avatar

Investment idea based on jab harms? Fertility clinics and pregnancy tests.

Emumundo's avatar

It’s open enrollment for Medicare now and if this is your first time signing up be sure to really look at Part D. If you do not enroll in Part D -which is pharmaceutical drugs-when you FIRST enroll in Medicare and you decide to enroll later you will pay a penaltyFOR LIFE. Every month for the rest of your life. When I didn’t get it my first year but decided to get it the second year I found this out. I pay $3.30 a month. The longer you wait to get Part D the higher the penalty.

Bitsy54's avatar

Don’t do the drugs! Big pHARMa is just making you sicker with all their poison!

Elyce Duerr's avatar

Unfortunately in todays economy older folks and middle class folks can't afford doctors that don't take insurance. I'm guessing we're just royally screwed

Ellen's avatar

What is the point of paying for health insurance?

patrick.net/memes's avatar

Even they are not free.

The state licensing board will take away their license if the doctor fail to go along with the death jab advocacy.

Sandy's avatar

Fun fact: The Hippocratic Oath in 2023

“By all that I hold highest, I promise my patients competence, integrity, candor, personal commitment to their best interests, compassion, and absolute discretion, and confidentiality within the law.”

No mention of “First do no harm”.

Dr Linda's avatar

This is one of the insidious actions of our current times: the ability and license to change definitions, etc. This infuriates me.

consuelo's avatar

"within the law." Ah, therein lies the problem. "discretion, and confidentiality within the law." Which now results in no confidentiality. And how would we define "discretion" here? I've already experienced this situation from doctors and other jerks working in the medical field. NEVER PUT ANY TRUST IN THEM and DON'T KID YOURSELF, THEY WILL RAT YOU OUT, IF ONLY TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.

Boris Sarmat's avatar

Don't let any of them get away with the "Mistakes Were Made" excuse that they are trying to use to absolve their guilt and criminal liability.

They all need to be held accountable for their criminal actions.

Alice in Wonderland's avatar

Hideous. I imagine they are overinterpreting "within the law" to mean "within the government's most recently rewritten protocols."

Annie's avatar

I have found a real freedom not being tied to msm medical complex anymore. I don't dread tests or anything because time and time again they are just following the cdc and big pharma script. Screw them. I am taking full responsibility for my own health and staying away from the pharmakeia crowd.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Thanks for saying so, Annie.

I'm 61 (wife is 55) have no health insurance or monthly premiums since we dropped it this year. We decided to stop funding the Medical-Industrial-Pharm Complex and take care of ourselves instead.

I wish people would stop participating - stop with the annual checkups (which they do because their insurance requires it) and free themselves. You DON'T NEED constant prescriptions, You don't need annual checkups. Eat healthy and go outside everyday. Kill your television set and throw your cellphone in the trash.

Leave your pharmaceutical chains on the ground, and LIVE LIFE, PEOPLE!

Guess who's going on an extended European vacation next month! Think about what you can do with the thousands of dollars you now spend to keep Big Pharma stock prices from collapsing.

Julie Ann B's avatar

Great approach! I’m also taking responsibility for my own health and have never felt better about it!

Julie Ann B's avatar

It used to state “above all else, do no harm”!

STH's avatar

I blame the impotent doctors for much of this mess. None of this would have happened if they had any guts.

Karen Bandy's avatar

I quit my lovely and caring naturopath because she ‘followed CDC guidelines’. I know she did it because she was scared of retribution but who wants to put their trust in a scaredy-cat?

Karah Kruse's avatar

I was one of the doctors that did the research, read the vaccine insert, and treated patients combining alternative and conventional medicines. Let me tell you, it’s pretty fantastic that I can finally take off my tin foil hat!

Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

They don’t mention that they are the ones who get to decide what’s in our best interest.

If they think they’d rather be dead, deaded we are.

Karah Kruse's avatar

This is the HO for conventional medical doctors. I’m a Naturopathic Doctor and mine was completely different and included First Do No Harm.

According to the AMA, the reason it was removed is because conventional medicine has been found to be innately harmful. 3rd leading cause of death in US is medical error.

RunningLogic's avatar

And they’re not even holding to *that* oath on the whole 😕

Ellen's avatar

Confidentiality? The state of Nebraska requires all patient data be sent to the state!

PE Bird's avatar

It seems to have morphed into the Hypocritic Oath.

Kim D's avatar

Maybe it's not any particular profession but rather the state of consciousness of humanity.

T.H.'s avatar

Great comparison! Yesterday I took my 2021 car to a local shop for the first time since my warranties expired with the dealer. They quoted me $1100 for routine maintenance! I called the service department at the dealership and read off the charges. The local shop lied to me, dealership service said nothing needed until 5 k more miles and then their charge would be $350. When I told the shop that I declined their service I waited half an hour for my car. I did end up telling them what the dealership told me and the only thing they could come up with was we just go by what the computer says. Btw, I’m middle age woman and believe they wouldn’t overcharge a man like that. Don’t call me Karen.

Judith's avatar

I won't call you Karen. Thank you for writing that.

A derogatory term as vacuuos as "bimbo" years ago.

I call you Smart.

Boris Sarmat's avatar

Or harder to find than a politician who honors their oath of office?

I read an article that reported some high profile politicians have not even signed and notarized their oaths of office.

Tom's avatar

In that spirit, I'll probably find a decent, honest mechanic around town, and go to him when I need health advice.

Better odds.

Leskunque Lepew's avatar

I have a nice little Car driven only to church by a little old lady...

Dr Linda's avatar

😂 You knew my biological father.

rolandttg's avatar

Find a holistic Doc. We did. He's still a licensed MD, but now working outside that system. All out of pocket, but you get real medical advice, and tests ordered that actually provide information to diagnose your medical issues. In all of my years, I have never had an allopathic doctor order any of these tests, if they even know of them. Again, you pay for all of it, but you aren't wasting your time, nor having scrips shoved down your throat.

Bitesandpieces's avatar

So I did a little teeny, tiny bit of research on the Hippocratic Oath. What we thought was sacrosanct just isn’t so. Here’s a link: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/first-do-no-harm-201510138421

Peace's avatar

Interesting find! I like this version, and miss the days when physicians were not "mischievous"! "I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous."

Bitesandpieces's avatar

Mischievous?? Did it mean something different than what we believe to be “mischievous” today.

Gayla's avatar

My understanding is that graduating doctors no longer have to take the Hippocratic Oath. They removed the requirement to swear to “do no harm” when the COVID jab’s rolled out.

John Bugni's avatar

Often the reputable professional societies, usually identified by the doctors that start them or join them, like The FLCCC (Frontline Covid Critical Alliance:Pierre Kory and Paul Marik) or the AAPS (American Association of Physicians and Surgeons) will have a referral listing of their member doctors in each state. I found my Functional Physician (also Integrative physicians) that way.

Sharon's avatar

and, if you do find that Dr, prepare to wait for a long time on a list to get seen by them

Mel Clifton's avatar

Shopping for a new GP recently, I was pleased with one of the first questions, “tell me about your diet and exercise habits”… bingo.

Annie's avatar

Hopefully you were sitting down. I would have been shocked.

Robin Esau's avatar

Wow. More of these kind of GPs please!

RSgva's avatar

I have seen this line of inquiry for the last decade. Unfortunately that info is more often than not used against you to explain something the doc is too lazy or uninformed to understand. At some points I had the feeling they were frustrated I wasn’t overweight as that is the usual thing they blame.

GG's avatar

I'm in the middle of my own health crisis presently, have been searching for someone to give me a diagnosis for over a decade. What I have is hard to diagnose apparently, but even once they got definitive proof, no one cares. It leads to other issues. Anyway, I was crying to my mother last night. She has her own health issues and it took her years to find out what was wrong. She told me she had been sent to a specialist by her GP and the specialist told her she was just a hysterical, fat, menopausal woman and things would improve eventually. She gave him a piece of her mind, he left the room. She waited. No one came back to the room. After a good cry, she got up and went to the receptionist, said the doctor hadn't come back, no nurse, no one. The receptionist told her she was free to go. Mom told the GP and he removed that doctor from his list of referrals. This was 20 years ago. It's been going on a long time.

I look around at all our problems and think a major contributor is a lack of care and concern about anyone other than ourselves. It's really difficult to find anyone in any industry who truly is invested in the people they are responsible for.

daverkb's avatar

I agree. Obsession with the 'things of this world' and narcissism (obsession with the self and really same thing) is what is eating up our world and running it to self-destruction.

I once had a wife who used to throw fits and yell and scream. Her first husband ran around and essentially abandoned her for long stretches of time. She finally divorced him. One day after we were married, she threw some fit over some nonsense which only made me hop into the truck and drive down the road. I hadn't gotten too far when I turned around and came back. I told my wife that I didn't think for one moment that she was right, but I also told that it was not right for a man to leave a woman alone and especially so with her relatives coming over for dinner in a few hours. I told her that two wrongs don't make a right. And after that, never a fit thrown again. All she needed to know that she would not be left abandoned and that some one was interested enough in her to have her back no matter what. Explanations and pontificating seldom are as effective as what comes with faithfulness and all the spiritual values. Unfortunately, I lost this lady to sudden heart failure in second week of 1998.

We just signed to have some granite countertops installed in our kitchen. We went to three companies for this purpose and nobody seemed interested in us enough to solve our special problem concerning this particular installation. On the fourth try we explained our problem to the sales guy ... and then the owner came out to speak with us. After listening, this guy said he had a prior appointment but that he could come to our house by four in the same afternoon. In twenty minutes time, and going through the troubles, everything was resolved. Why? Because somebody cared enough to take a real interest and some time. And this owner lined up all things that needed to happen including a plumber and the other companies did not. And for less cost.

So yes, very often people just don't care to get to the bottom of things in helpful way.

Concerned mom's avatar

We need to become responsible for our own health... I'm sorry you and your mom have gone through this. I've been walking with my daughter these past 2 years on her health issues. After multiple doctors' visits, some who right out lied about examining her, tons of tests and procedures, and multiple thousands of dollars out of pocket, she has not received an accurate diagnosis.

We've had to educate ourselves, and through trial and error, reading and more reading, have come up with a few things that are helping her feel better. NO thanks to any doctor... I'm beginning to understand why they call it a "Practice"... they practice on us, to see if it works... too many times it's just a hunch and a failure... I CAN DO THAT FOR FREE!!!

Start with the best possible diet, I mean healthy food, not starve yourself, but give your body nutritious food! That's your best medicine!

https://www.youtube.com/@DrWilliamLi Check out YT segments with Barbara O'Neil she has lots of wisdom... Best to you and your mom -

Kori Tumlinson's avatar

My mom was very sick and passed about 10 years ago. When I would list what she was taking they would would always say to stop taking any natural supplement. They all pushed hospice very hard. I kept trying to ask if she could still get blood transfusions if she was on hospice and they wouldn't answer me and just went back to their script. Also my father in law was on hospice and they claim it is 24 hour care and they only came for a short visit every couple of days. And they have my mil and the rest of us administering morphine.

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Copernicus's avatar

FLCCC docs are pretty much blowing it up. Have you seen Paul Marik’s treatise describing all kinds of alternative cancer remedies?!

The Florida Summit hosted by Dr John Littell on Saturday was amazing too. https://rumble.com/v3v2c01-fl-summit-on-covid-food-family-and-medical-freedom.html

Annie's avatar

I remember Suzanne Sommers getting flack for refusing chemo back in 2000 and pursuing alternatives. Now I know why. Tptb didn't want any traction about alternative and natural ways to cure cancer. God forbid they don't make their money while they kill you

Janet's avatar

I’m about 5 into the 8 hours, posted by an attendee yesterday in the comments. I live here in Ocala and attended the very first summit 2 or 3 years ago. Wish I’d known about it. Everyone should watch- tons of great info.

John Bugni's avatar

Just finished watching the whole conference. AMAZING! Amazing people. I was teary eyed several times. They even mentioned our fearless C and C leader, Jeff.

CitrusCountyCitizensUnited's avatar

My new doctor is Dr Littell. He's awesome!

Paige Green's avatar

I just recently got Marik’s book 😊

SJ's avatar

It'll be hard to find truly independent docs because most depend on the insurance payments so they have to toe the line at least a little bit, and quite honestly, most people talk a lot but aren't actually willing to pay a doc for their care (a significant portion argue about even paying their copays).

Fred's avatar

I’ll add though, if you must stay within your insurance providers, just do your research first, so you have a framework in which to think. And BTW, a relatively new (to me at least) option is self ordered lab tests through a company like WalkIn Lab (banned in some States; 🤔). Focused testing can be helpful.

Datagal's avatar

I’ve used Direct Labs for years. My pathologist father recommended it. You can buy whatever test you want, quick results come to your portal and it’s private. No doc visit. They currently use Quest.

Fred's avatar

Thank you for the reference! Also looking for a lab that will draw and send the 4K Score for prostate cancer )all sent to a single lab, I believe). Anyone?

Fla Mom's avatar

Quest Labs even allow self-ordering of tests. It's a new world.

Sunnydaze's avatar

Wait! Are you serious? I can just contact Quest myself and say I need blood work for my … say… cholesterol? And I don’t need my dr at all???

Ellen's avatar

It’s cheaper to pay for an annual visit than for monthly insurance!

Lorie's avatar

Health Care is “free” up here in Chinada. Free means we pay taxes to get what the state wants us to get: a sick care system.

My current doc worked for the military for 30 years and she was discharged in 2021 because she wouldn’t comply. So, she started from scratch and created Unity Health and Wellness in Edmonton, Alberta. They charge a monthly family membership of $60 to have phone access to their nurses when needed and the doctor visits are still paid for by Alberta Health Care (aka free). However, the visits are an unheard of 1 hour! So you walk out feeling heard and cared for. And they have added 2 more doctors so they can help more open-minded folks.

I know some locals who protest that we should have to pay the monthly fee because it should be free, but I assure them the paradigm shift is worth every penny.

Fred's avatar

As Jeff would say, progress! Thanks for sharing!!! Knew a Swedish doc who opted out of the socialized system decades ago; said folks were more than happy to pay for his services.

Karen Bandy's avatar

Jeff wrote “From my experience, most doctors don’t even read the studies, they just bark up whatever the CDC says”. Shouldn’t he have said BARF up?

Harold Saive's avatar

Here's a start -- Dr. Peter McCullough Shocked to Learn Covid Pandemic Not Caused by a Virus

https://tinyurl.com/4b5wmrtu

DrSallyKD's avatar

Wow...Thanks for introducing me to Dennis Rancourt's work! As a retired nurse practitioner & college professor, I followed by covid plandemic closely from the beginning, realizing very quickly that something was off. Dr. Rancourt's use of the word "synchronicity" to describe the pattern of spread mirrored my impression, though I could not express it as elegantly. My first impression was bioterrorism, which I expressed to my husband. However, I must consider his theory of exactly what the bioterrorism was. Fascinating perspective!

Johnny-O's avatar

Off topic Harold....but I know you are versed in geoengineering. What do you know about NEXRAD and weather modification?

Thanks for sharing the McCullough interview!

Harold Saive's avatar

Here's post on "Chemtrails proving they are not water vapor. Anything sprayed in the sky that is electrically conductive can be reactive to radar or other EMF -- https://newsparadigm.substack.com/p/chemtrails-are-not-contrails-a-radiometric

Johnny-O's avatar

That was not at all what I asked. I know what "chemtrails" are. I am trying to learn about NEXRAD. Do you have any good resources?

Fred's avatar

Refers to the magnitude of deaths caused by the medical complex, I think, and maybe to the ridiculous labeling sham. Didn’t read yet, but I know he doesn’t subscribe to the “no virus” position.

John Bugni's avatar

Harold, I saw your post yesterday on a different site. I think this is a blockbuster/smoking gun. I was hoping Jeff had seen it and would comment. Perhaps in a day or two.

Annie's avatar

Dana White summed it up perfectly.

Dawn B's avatar

Doctors aren't trained and holistic ones are in danger...

5TH HOLISTIC DOCTOR (AGE 33) DIED IN FLORIDA MAKING 5 DEAD AND 5 MORE MISSING

https://healthnutnews.com/fifth-holistic-alternative-doctor-33-found-dead-in-florida-making-5-dead-and-5-more-missing-doctors/

Politico Phil's avatar

I believe FL is one of the worst states when it comes to medical freedom for practitioners. As far as I know, nearly all alternative health practitioners have been run out of the state by the local AMA mafia or SDD'd (Sudden Doctor Death). This has been going on for so many decades now that it has become pretty much common knowledge. My extended family has had 2 such doctors they used run off over the last few decades.

Dawn B's avatar

Florida can't be the worst but it does seem suspect... If any holistic doctor helps or gains a lot of patients anywhere, they are in danger of accidents or untimely deaths.

Any cure for cancer is squashed and competition eliminated yet cancer doctors actually think they are helping. They are not smart and just following...

Politico Phil's avatar

Yeah, back in the 70's my mom's Egyptian trained doctor who cured her of late stage cancer was run off. The local AMA arranged for him to be accused of burying bodies around his practice location. They taped off his property and dug his property up with a backhoe looking for the bodies. They physically ran him out of the state.

An alternative practitioner I used for years who had a very small clientele simply disappeared one day and I was told she moved out of state. Poof - gone.

Emumundo's avatar

Many, many holistic doctors were accidented in England a few years ago.

Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

Wow! Why isn't 20/20 reporting on this?

Dawn B's avatar

If they were really reporters and allowed but now we know they just feed us what they want us to know and think.

Fla Mom's avatar

BFM, re your "will a group of docs finally come out" comment, are you familiar with these folks?

The Association of American Physicians & Surgeons

"Since 1943, AAPS has been dedicated to the highest ethical standards of the Oath of Hippocrates and to preserving the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship and the practice of private medicine."

https://aapsonline.org/

Elaine H's avatar

I think the FLCCC has come out against corruption. They have a list of doctors who think like they do.

Sandy's avatar

If toddlers need to see faces to develop language skills, doesn’t that mean adults shouldn’t wear masks either since adults are the ones training the child in language skills?

Patrice's avatar

I complained about this a lot during masking mania. Our church was open but required masking. I would look at toddlers in the rows ahead of me and realize that all they were seeing were a bunch of eyes, and toddlers don't have the experience to know that when your eyes "crinkle" the person is probably smiling. So I would routinely pull my mask down and smile at them or make silly faces. Maybe I should have been focusing more on the readings (although I can hear, listen and make silly faces at the same time). Look at a group of masked people, they look pretty scary. What did we do to all those children?

loverofliberty's avatar

I believe churches betrayed God by requiring masks. We are supposed to have no fear or worry, yet this is what they taught us to do.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Since we are made in God's image, the masking mandates were a direct attack on that. We fight not against flesh and blood ....

Emumundo's avatar

The Catholic Church was going to separate the church by vaxx status, vaxxed in one section and unvaxxed in another section. The unvaxxed said Good, we don’t want to be by them. It just went away.

MayBella82's avatar

Our church never mentioned separating by mask. In fact, they did a great job of trying to accommodate everyone without getting shutdown by the city for not enforcing mask requirements... they were the first to stop when the city stopped. Now, I worked for the Navy and they were the worse by far and required it the longest.

wily_coyote-genius's avatar

Matthew 24:24, For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Freedom Fox's avatar

"Sure, a dictator could ban masks with the stroke of a pen. But in a democratic republic, reversing course requires an incremental and consensus-building approach."

Mask mandates were imposed with lightning speed, reversing course from being banned across Europe and in many US settings (like banks) to being required overnight. In a democratic republic. So mask bans could be imposed just as quickly.

What allowed the mask mandates to bypass the incremental democratic process was narrative control that coerced the "consensus." Propaganda and censorship. A global coordinated campaign. From the heights of information control.

The slow, incremental approach is a sort of guerrilla warfare tactic that recognizes the strategic imbalance of information systems. I contend that while fighting the guerrilla war has its value the most important battle of all, the most high value target we must focus on is the information systems themselves. They must be either reconquered or obliterated. The coercive, manipulative and destructive capacity of the current information infrastructure is the most dangerous weapon aimed at freedom of all.

And the mask mandates were the opening salvo against our constitution, was when the long-simmering war against free speech went hot. Masks have always been behavioral science implements, not based in medical science. Mask NPI efficacy has been as a symbol to amplify fear in a population declared to "suffer" from "optimism bias." And symbols are a form of speech, the oldest in fact. And mandated speech is the flip side of prohibited speech on the same free speech coin. Mask mandates have always violated the First Amendment for that reason. And must be challenged on that basis. By court decision and/or disobedience. They are repugnant to the constitution. Anti-constitutional.

ICI Grief (The Rebel's Hike)'s avatar

I think you were channeling the readings instead. That's the point of the readings. Well done (good and faithful servant).

Lisa Ca's avatar

YES for sure! As an aside, I talked to a speech language payhologist in early 2023 who told me they have changed the standards for language development because so many kids are now delayed….. DUE TO masking!!! and pandemic isolation!

Tom's avatar

Poor language skills feed right in to the agenda of making them more susceptible to lies.

The evil is beyond comprehension.

Michele's avatar

Exactly. These are the people that will be your police, your home health aide, your banker, your local politician, your neighbor. Does not inspire confidence.

RunningLogic's avatar

This just infuriates me!!! 🤬😡

Lisa Ca's avatar

Me too. My kid is above speech even for old standards for her age, but these other kids??? So terribly sad. And all for masks that made people sicker!

Peter 🔒's avatar

Lisa - you are probably a very good parent, above average intelligence and have common sense. I made a point to do extra with my kids during covid/remote learning, and talked about a lot of topics and patiently listened to their questions. Nobody loves them or will sacrifice for kiddos like a parent. Big ups. ❤🥰

RunningLogic's avatar

I know, it makes me so angry!!

Peace's avatar

The speech language pathologist at our children's school always wore a plastic see through mask.

Dr Linda's avatar

Agreed, however sound logic is being over-ruled these days

RunningLogic's avatar

It really bothered me that schools went along with this without a peep of protest. They told me “we’re not the experts on health so we follow the guidelines.” I countered, yes, but you are supposed to be the experts on childhood development so why aren’t you even raising questions about how that is affected??”

And now they all wringing their hands about learning loss, yada yada yada, kids mental health and all that when they didn’t want to even consider the potential implications before. Zero leadership and zero moral courage. I was already jaded about a lot of these people but now I don’t think I could even respect any of them again.

Peter 🔒's avatar

The Schools would not get funding from the CARES Act unless they agreed to follow the Protocols by the Health Authorities, Do you see the catch-22? Many would be without tablet/computers for remote learning and then the lower 1/3 in school would get Behind in learning. Also implementing social distancing and other preventative measures like the plexiglass and other caca would not be funded.

RunningLogic's avatar

Well my private school didn’t get any funding that I could find. And they still adhered to the protocols.

All that money wasted for stupid worthless measures that made no difference or caused harm 😡😕

The kids got behind even with the computers so it was a big boondoggle just like the rest of it 😕

Peter 🔒's avatar

yes. I know 1 kid that was dropped off at a YMCA, and in a room by himself for 6 months while remote learning. Both Parents were at work 😭

Peter 🔒's avatar

it is frustrating. the herd mentality and safety for the group took over.

Copernicus's avatar

Exactly.

Not to mention emotional connection, attunement, emotional regulation, and all the other tasks of early development.

What a manure show.

Karen Bandy's avatar

Trust, empathy, discernment, the list goes on!

Annie's avatar

Agree. But the adults currently wearing masks have nothing to contribute.

FourWinds's avatar

Of course, but that requires common sense, which I think mostly died in 2020 and is still trying to be raised from the dead.

RunningLogic's avatar

It died before that but 2020 really highlighted how far gone it was.

Sarah Beth's avatar

Yes, exactly -but the argument begins with the toddlers.

Kim's avatar

That's what I was thinking.

Helen's avatar

Sandy. I agree, but to be honest, I think the last time we actually had adults with language skills was sometime in the 1950's. Most childbearing adults today were educated with a much greater focus on social issues as opposed to basic learning, which used to focus on actual history, geography, math, language skills and the sciences.

In the 1960's my mother was a proofreader for articles written for a Montreal radio station. She had an excellent grasp of her spoken language, English, as did her sisters and my grandmother.

That's because they were born in an Era that actually taught you how to spell, speak and express yourself in an educated manner.

Today, when politicians speak, it's nothing but verbal platitudes.

There's no substance, merely soundbites. And they use them repeatedly until they find better ones. And the masses accept these weasel words as a democratic truth.

My current list includes, UNACCEPTABLE, SAFE, KIND, EXTREME RIGHT WING, DIVERSITY, INCLUSION, EQUITY, CLIMATE CHANGE, CONSPIRACY THEORY, COLONIALISM, WHITE PRIVILEGE, the list goes on. These words and phrases are woven into the very fabric of our political discourse; and politicians and the corporate world use them freely.

And as far as masks go, they are disgusting. No one should ever have been forced to wear one, particularly children. From articles I have read it appears that children born during the so called pandemic, are behind what we would call acceptable standards, for many skills. The possible developmental delay on this cohort, caused by masking most of the population, has unknown repercussions.

Ellen's avatar

Exactly! That’s what I told the school teachers during lockdowns! Duh!

Dan McDunn's avatar

Kevin Kiley is a new US Congressman. As a Californian who was driving into his then state house district to attend an anti-authoritarian church during the peak of the vaccine mandates, I can assure you he was steadfast to the cause of medical liberty from the very outset of the pandemic. There was no one more outspoken than he was on the Covid madness and frankly on many other cultural issues as well. He is a treasure. Many of you might already know that, but in case you didn't, I wanted to share this.

MissAnthrope's avatar

I went to see Kevin speak at GodSpeak church. Rob McCoy, was a champion who kept his church open during that time. So thankful to that church.

Lisa Ca's avatar

He is for sure. He ran against Newsom in the recall and sadly so many others….. did not come close to winning. He would be an amazing Govenor but he is making a difference.

RunningLogic's avatar

I knew about Kevin Kiley even though I don’t live in California because of his stance and work on defeating Lorena Gonzales on AB5. I really admire him!

Sarah Beth's avatar

Yes, we are lucky to have him!

CaplT's avatar

I like Kiley, yet he signed on to the internet surveillance bill.

If his attention is brought to the far reaching negative effects, would he withdraw his support, or would he say something slippery slope like greater good to protect the children?

Mike's avatar

I really got to liking him too. For some reason he voted for the kill switch in cars though

Dan McDunn's avatar

didn't know that. maybe some horse trading on the no mask for kids legislation?

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

To You, O Yahweh, I call;

My rock, do not be silent to me,

Lest if You are hesitant toward me,

I will become like those who go down to the pit.

Hear the voice of my supplications when I cry to You for help,

When I lift up my hands toward Your holy sanctuary.

Do not drag me away with the wicked

And with workers of iniquity,

Who speak peace with their neighbors,

While evil is in their hearts.

Give to them according to their work and according to the evil of their actions;

Give to them according to the deeds of their hands;

Return their dealings upon them.

Because they do not regard the works of Yahweh

Nor the deeds of His hands,

He will tear them down and not build them up.

Blessed be Yahweh,

Because He has heard the voice of my supplications.

Yahweh is my strength and my shield;

My heart trusts in Him, and I am helped;

Therefore my heart exults,

And with my song I shall thank Him.

Yahweh is their strength,

And He is a strong defense of salvation to His anointed.

Save Your people and bless Your inheritance;

Be their shepherd also, and carry them forever.

— Psalm 28:1-9 LSB

PamelaZelie's avatar

Oh Janice! “Yahweh is my strength and my shield.”

He brought me through these past years of pain and sorrow into a stronger and closer relationship with Him. Blessed be His Name.

Susan Clack's avatar

That was an anointed choice of Scripture today, Janice!! Thank you so much...

ASK's avatar

Funeral homes and hospice care?

RunningLogic's avatar

Anything to do with cremation too.

Tom's avatar

In the gold rush, it was those who sold shovels that ultimately became wealthy, not the average miner.

The same pattern will hold between jabs and pharma.

SadieJay's avatar

That would come under 'pollution'. Climate change is happening at an alarming rate due to all the decaying bodies, whether under the ground or still upright.

Michele's avatar

No no, too anti-earth right now. Invest in those 'have your ashes buried with a tree' services. Maybe go long on the casket stocks for when the climate hysteria cools off. 😂

K2ndD4TwiceD's avatar

According to Statista, in 2022, the market size of funeral homes in the United States was estimated to be $18 billion. ***This is a significant increase of more than $2 billion since 2021 and indicates the largest annual growth between 2015 and 2022.***

I wonder why market size grew so much since 2021???

(https://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-biggest-funeral-companies-us-175323222.html)

Ruta's avatar

The article has been removed?

K2ndD4TwiceD's avatar

I can still see it. If copying link, be sure to remove parenthesis.

SadieJay's avatar

I had no idea this was such a huge thing...I have wanted to interview funeral homes here in FL. No idea they were all such big chains. Thanks for the link.

Michele's avatar

They are always hiring here in CA.

Kim D's avatar

The economy seems to be preplanned, as they slip into the next industry to cash in. I don't think we should gloat too much about the falling stock of drug companies. I suspect they knew what the course would be so always have that next big cash cow in the works.

Gigi Gummerson's avatar

I said several years ago how stunned I was by all the “pop up” drug facilities. MRI, diabetes clinics, and so many more! It’s truly crazy, been taking up a lot of unused office space BUT also building many more facilities. Just what is happening? I mean besides the government, food industry and medical establishments trying to kill us.

Emumundo's avatar

Walmart is starting Walmart Health, whatever that is.

SadieJay's avatar

When you get sick just going in there, boom! They can make you all better!

Paige Green's avatar

Where I live, it seems to be hearing testing/hearing aid businesses. And marijuana dispensaries 😂

SadieJay's avatar

Seriously...and here in Florida part time, it is NUTS. There is a clinic right in the lobby area of the local Walgreens. You think all this shite wasn't planned? And good luck trying to find a local pharma without big ties.

Lisa Ca's avatar

I believe they knew it wpuld grow cancer….. and now we have more cancer centers. The Resident did talk a lot about cancer being taken out… or something like that! That to me tells me all I need to know that he was in on it.

T.H.'s avatar

Remember all the cure for cancer pink ribbon campaigns that went on for years? No cure resulted, instead, this. Another heartless, wicked scam.

MaryAnn's avatar

So much money still being made off of that woman’s dead sister.

B Jones's avatar

I would guess the next stocks to be in are anything having to do with death, mRNA technology, cancer, cardiac & clotting issues, autoimmune issues, depression, infertility & war. Not that I would support this myself.

Special Ted's avatar

I would rather die penniless than support this eugenics program, as well.

Fred's avatar

Yes, they’re ready: 🤬

4/28/21 Pfizer acq Amplyx Pharm, dedicated to therapies for those with compromised immune systems.

12/21/21 Pfizer agreed to acquire Arena Pharm, focusing on pulmonary artery hypertension (blood clots, aka pulmonary embolism is a major cause) & inflammatory conditions.

Pfizer, too big to fail:

https://x.com/davidcwillisusa/status/1723877890989674640?s=46&t=cgHXnIMqpPDhO3oziEerWQ

Karen Bandy's avatar

Good point. A big reason this started was because the patents on popular drugs were running out and the pharma complex was going broke. Government surely had to fix that! And they did!

Peace's avatar

The drug companies should be getting offset profits from their fortuitous forays into produciing the drugs that treat the adverse events they've created. Gotta love the business plan!

MarkGW's avatar

Can we short Life Insurance companies?

Bryn Cannon's avatar

Assisted living facilities for young and middle aged people.

On an island's avatar

:( yeah anything associated with death and disability. So sad!

Starsky's avatar

These are the things Ed Dowd is researching. He’s developing an ETF where people will be able to invest in.... shorting life? Sounds dark, but he’s coming up with the data.

Timbo Slice's avatar

I just looked up "doctor shortages"over the last year. Huge list.

Karen Bandy's avatar

My doc changed positions because she couldn’t get the company to supply her a medical assistant, she’s now running an urgent care.

My hormone PA just lost another employee, walked out at lunch, never came back. She’s hired and lost 12 in the last year, no one wants to work. So she’s thinking about a career change! It’s nuts, when you find a good one they can’t handle the stress of finding people to work. The whole industry has turned upside down, and when did it start? The Plandemic of course!

SadieJay's avatar

The disappearing middle...and it only took 4 years.

T.H.'s avatar

Maybe this will result in a trend toward wholistic doctors.

RunningLogic's avatar

Let’s hope!! Silver lining! God brings good out of evil!

Elizabeth Holter's avatar

These stocks were on the rise over 2 years ago. As part of educating my family I gave them that evidence. Ed Dowd also talked about it early on.

CaplT's avatar

Hospice care can be a quick-dead situation. Each hospice is different.

One morphined a woman to death quickly without family notification.

Another took excellent care of a man with esophageal cancer till the natural end.

J Boss's avatar

Came here to say this.

Joanne Shannon's avatar

I was thinking crematoriums and orphanages.

SadieJay's avatar

I think they need to bring back the lunatic asylums. Badly needed.

Joanne Shannon's avatar

Owning a Crematorium is the one business that the term, “goes up in smoke” would be a good thing. Well, also BBQ, but that causes other images.

Just_Henry's avatar

Great find on the predatory cancer center metastases! Let’s not be victims. Fight back! Hit big pharma where it hurts! Learn about cheap, safe, effective OTC fenbendazole for cancer. So far, since 2021, it has saved four people close to me with stage IV cancers! All are thriving as of today Nov 15, 2023!

Read the Case Reports, read the preclinical science! It’s all there. Not selling a thing, not even subscriptions. https://fenbendazole.substack.com

Peter 🔒's avatar

Yes but she is only attributing a caution because of elevated enzyme levels in the liver. This also happens when you take Acetaminophen, other Rx drugs, even consumption of alcohol. She also took some flak in the comments over her assertion. Some of the protocols say to cycle the FenBen family of Meds (eg. 3 days on, 3days off), so take her 'Article' with a grain of salt.

E.Z. Prine's avatar

Thanks for your take on this, Peter.

Having read the book China RX, I think the quality control issue is a valid one concerning everything we put into our mouths these days, pharmaceutical, vitamin, or otherwise. It pays to vet the source of anything as much as one possibly can, e.g., by taking recommendations from trusted sources.

Of course, every substance, such as the ones you list, has risks. As someone who has had hepatitis, I do want to be warned if there are potential liver issues. People don't always read the labels or know how to interpret them, so a forewarning can be helpful.

Peter 🔒's avatar

Agree. Ideally, we would have a compound pharmacy AND indy test (microscopy test of some kind) to validate the Drugs are Pure. One could also do 90% of the alt-protocols and skip the Fen family of Drugs. The Iver drug still looks promising. Does it elevate Liver enzymes? Do C0x-2 inhibitors (nsaids?) I'd have to look into it - i don't know.

Tonya McKinney's avatar

Thank you for this link! I will read and pass on!

Flipflopgirl's avatar

I don't think of them as Doctors any more, they are more like technicians. They make you take a blood test and read the predetermined treatment. When you ask a question, they research the answer from an online source, sponsored by big Pharma who's solution is their drug. So I agree with Dana White.

FourWinds's avatar

Healing is not profitable. Selling more drugs, tests, surgeries, procedures, etc. is.

MaryAnn's avatar

Exactly. Elderly friend, 90, has a condition that flares, requires antibiotics to treat. Medical advice is surgery, temporary ostomy bag, reconnection after healing… my friend has a level of dementia and would need skilled nursing care to manage the results of surgery, if she survived. Her children have decided to forego the medical advice and let the antibiotics work for as long as they can. The constant push-back, guilt inducing, “how can you not help your mother” conversations with the doctors are making this situation worse. They also ignore the fact that a failed colonoscopy a year ago left my friend without sphincter control so is in a constant state of bowel incontinance. How they can still look themselves in the eye every morning is beyond me.

Fla Mom's avatar

If a routine colonoscopy left your friend without rectal sphincter control, that was not a 'failed colonoscopy,' that was . . . I can't imagine - assault and battery? How on Earth does one do that sort of damage with a colonoscope?!

MaryAnn's avatar

The (non) explanation was, "This sometimes happens with elderly patients." Of course they made a mistake but med mal would not abide an admission to that effect.

Peace's avatar

Colonoscopies have a reputation for damaging bowels - it's not unheard of. They are not recommended by every healthcare practitioner.

RunningLogic's avatar

And they get mad at their patients when *they* Google 🙄

Tom's avatar

I've found yet another good reason to totally abstain from google: I'm not a doctor!

Westkay 823's avatar

Me too. I just had a 24-hour blood pressure test, and my average was 133/84 and overnight it was 118/70. I didn't think that was too high, but the doctor prescribed me pills, and when I said is that really necessary, he asked do you want to have a heart attack. 😕

Debbie Wagner's avatar

“When all you have to sell is hammers, every problem looks like a nail. “

Not original to me but a very appropriate metaphor for the medical industry right now.

Katrina the Hurricane's avatar

One of my husband’s doctors said she sees herself more as a consultant for his care. Hmm.. a consultant doesn’t take the oath to “do no harm,” huh?

Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Neither do most physicians (take the Hippocratic oath stating 'do no harm'). I researched this a few weeks ago when fellow C & C Group commentors were going through the same "train of thought". Most medical schools do NOT require their graduates take any kind of oath stating they will "do no harm"--thus...the state of our health'care' today.

CStone's avatar

That’s why they call their business ‘Family Practice’, They are and always have been ‘practicing’ on us. And now, with technology, we can ‘practice’ medicine ourselves. And possibly do a better job!!!

Dennis Sheirs's avatar

My daughter just had a baby last week. She is having a difficult time finding a pediatrician. Most pediatrician's will not accept unvaccinated kids anymore. What I found even more bizarre is in Florida they won't issue the birth certificate without the baby seeing a pediatrician. There is still a long way to go in this battle to give parents a choice. I plan of fighting this battle.

The claim by pediatricians is that unvaccinated kids put other kids at risk. If this is true then what is the point of the vaccines?

Peace's avatar

Dennis Sheirs - Please recommend to your daughter that she seek out a Family Physician rather than a pediatrician. Even if a ped accepts her, she will face a lifetime of getting vaccinations pushed upon her. The real reason that pediatricians (not the standard "unvaccinated kids put other kids at risk" line) is due to financial incentives. BCBS will pay out $400 per "scalp" ONLY IF they can get 60% of their practice fully vaccinated. So, your daughter and other unjabbed would pull down their percentage and jeopardize the practice redeiving the annual bonus from Blue Cross Blue Shield. Holding the Line with Dr. Funtimes

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The vaccine “payout” schedule for Blue Cross Blue Shield medical providers

JENNIFER BROWN

MAR 18, 2023

A good friend sent me this and it needs to be shared!!!

https://www.mclaren.org/Uploads/Public/Documents/MPHO/documents/HealthPlan/2016-BCN-BCBSM-PRP-Booklet-Final-2015_12_18.pdf

Ever wondered why certain “preventative maintenance” procedures are required? Well, because your provider gets paid and incentivized for it!!!!!

First off:

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Incentive program. Have a lookie loo at what they pay your provider to do. THIS explains why primary care has a sudden interest in doing a PHQ-9 on all their patients. They make a flat fee $200 just for you filling out that piece of paper!!!!!! Lemme be clear here, in psych, this is not the case. We do not get paid for you doing a PHQ-9. We get zero for it. You can see here that they have a percentage of patients that they want you do each thing for, and how much money you will get for doing so. Mammograms? We will bonus you $100 for every woman you send for a mammo. We will pay you $400 for every child that gets all combo 10 vaccines! Makes you wonder if “preventative care” is truly in the best interest of YOU or just earning your provider money! You could slap a PHQ-9 into every visit packet and thats a cool $200 for every BCBS patient at every visit even if their mental health is fine!

Here is the comprehensive table of all things “preventive care” they wanna make sure you do, because they make money off of ALL OF THEM. Lets look at how much money is made for the provider, and what pharma benefits as well:

If BMI is elevated, they start you on metformin or Ozempic or Mounjaro to lose weight. Of course that is monitored every 90 days so hello office visit kick back!

Daily aspirin for “heart protection”

Mammograms at age 40, which is a pricy procedure for their compadre down the road at the imaging center, and a bonus for the referring provider.

Colonoscopies are a referring provider kickback payment, and a big payout for the GI doc and anesthesia doing the procedure. I am sure there will be a “few” spots to biopsy for “precaution” which adds a lab/pathology charge.

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Digging deeper in a few of these:

Here is the vaccine schedule that will garner them a $400 payout for each pediatric patient:

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They have to vaccinate 63% or more of their pediatric patients age birth to 2. Look how many vaccines they pump into them! 24 vaccines!!!! If you are a pediatrician office, and you have 500 kids that turn 2 this year, and all of them have had their “combo 10” of 24 shots, that will earn the pediatrician a cool $200,000. NOW you know why pediatricians do not take unvaccinated kids! They get dinged and make no money off your healthy unvaccinated kiddo. So when a pediatrician chastises you for not vaccinating your kid, they really don’t care about you or your kid, they just want to make sure they bonus for the year. They have vaccinated kids who miss deadlines, and they have to hit 63% or greater to bonus the $400, so if they require 100% vaccinated only kids, they have wiggle room for the kid who missed the vax deadline by a week to not lose their bonus. Shady shady.Holding the Line with Dr. Funtimes

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The vaccine “payout” schedule for Blue Cross Blue Shield medical providers

JENNIFER BROWN

MAR 18, 2023

A good friend sent me this and it needs to be shared!!!

https://www.mclaren.org/Uploads/Public/Documents/MPHO/documents/HealthPlan/2016-BCN-BCBSM-PRP-Booklet-Final-2015_12_18.pdf

Ever wondered why certain “preventative maintenance” procedures are required? Well, because your provider gets paid and incentivized for it!!!!!

First off:

Image.png

Incentive program. Have a lookie loo at what they pay your provider to do. THIS explains why primary care has a sudden interest in doing a PHQ-9 on all their patients. They make a flat fee $200 just for you filling out that piece of paper!!!!!! Lemme be clear here, in psych, this is not the case. We do not get paid for you doing a PHQ-9. We get zero for it. You can see here that they have a percentage of patients that they want you do each thing for, and how much money you will get for doing so. Mammograms? We will bonus you $100 for every woman you send for a mammo. We will pay you $400 for every child that gets all combo 10 vaccines! Makes you wonder if “preventative care” is truly in the best interest of YOU or just earning your provider money! You could slap a PHQ-9 into every visit packet and thats a cool $200 for every BCBS patient at every visit even if their mental health is fine!

Here is the comprehensive table of all things “preventive care” they wanna make sure you do, because they make money off of ALL OF THEM. Lets look at how much money is made for the provider, and what pharma benefits as well:

If BMI is elevated, they start you on metformin or Ozempic or Mounjaro to lose weight. Of course that is monitored every 90 days so hello office visit kick back!

Daily aspirin for “heart protection”

Mammograms at age 40, which is a pricy procedure for their compadre down the road at the imaging center, and a bonus for the referring provider.

Colonoscopies are a referring provider kickback payment, and a big payout for the GI doc and anesthesia doing the procedure. I am sure there will be a “few” spots to biopsy for “precaution” which adds a lab/pathology charge.

Image_1.png

Digging deeper in a few of these:

Here is the vaccine schedule that will garner them a $400 payout for each pediatric patient:

Image_2.png

They have to vaccinate 63% or more of their pediatric patients age birth to 2. Look how many vaccines they pump into them! 24 vaccines!!!! If you are a pediatrician office, and you have 500 kids that turn 2 this year, and all of them have had their “combo 10” of 24 shots, that will earn the pediatrician a cool $200,000. NOW you know why pediatricians do not take unvaccinated kids! They get dinged and make no money off your healthy unvaccinated kiddo. So when a pediatrician chastises you for not vaccinating your kid, they really don’t care about you or your kid, they just want to make sure they bonus for the year. They have vaccinated kids who miss deadlines, and they have to hit 63% or greater to bonus the $400, so if they require 100% vaccinated only kids, they have wiggle room for the kid who missed the vax deadline by a week to not lose their bonus. https://docbrown77.substack.com/p/the-vaccine-payout-schedule-for-blue

J Boss's avatar

I have reached the conclusion that taking ANY test without a clear issue that justifies it is guaranteed to come back with a result that includes recommended cash flow generating treatments. After all, they do have to pay for that Mercedes and the big house...

I'm like Dana on this, but perhaps even more extreme: no more doctors.

Tom's avatar

Maybe you should forego the birth certificate, and apply for asylum, and demand your infant grand-baby's $2200 monthly stipend. George Soros can't possibly expect babies to whip bricks through windows, so maybe get some alphabet blocks . . .

Fla Mom's avatar

Try a pediatric Nurse-Practitioner, whose eval is likely to carry the same weight re birth cert.; probably easier to find one who is pro-informed consent on vaccines (my new term for what others call 'anti-vaxx,' thanks to an earlier commenter).

Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

Skip the pediatrician. Just get an ordinary doctor. One independent of all hospitals if you can.

Jkelly's avatar

Degreenmom.com will send a list of vaccine tolerant/friendly pediatricians.

Dennis Sheirs's avatar

Thank you. I will check the site out.

Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Wonderful - do let us know how your daughter and grandsugar are faring in this "medical menage" we have to go through now.

Dennis Sheirs's avatar

Will do. She found a pediatrician using Dr. Greenmom’s list. Keep fighting.

Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Dr. Greenmom?? Is that a moniker or a REAL name--LOL!

Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Not health care, but state-centered control is part of birth certificates and marriage licenses. Maybe you've heard or read the stories?

On the former, a registered birth with the state is the creation of a bond. The living human is surety for the bond.

On the latter, there are three parties to the marriage license (a contract): the two spouses and the state. If you visualize the three as a triangle, the state is at the top, the spouses at the base. Explains why if you want out of the contract you have to go to the state (court system) to get a divorce. Profit for the state and the lawyers. They designed the law; why wouldn't they ensure it's to their benefit in some way? None of us were alive in the age when marriages were the purview of the Church, who were keepers of records.

There's way more to it. That's just a teaser to the yet another scam that we don't get an education about.

Babies can live without a birth certificate. The proof is in your grandchild! The problem comes when the child without a birth certificate wants to participate in society. No birth certificate, roadblock after roadblock. Kind of a biggie.

Wonder if this scam will be on the list of scams people wake up to in the unfolding...?

Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I TRULY appreciate your critical thinking skills, Het--every time I see you commenting, I MUST read your "missives"!! SHINE ON Het!!!

Heterodox Introvert's avatar

We're scammed from birth to beyond the grave where the probate process takes place (court system) and the state takes their cut of what you left behind, plus the insult of estate taxes, all tied to deadlines, no pun intended. It's gratifying to some degree to see people waking up, if only to bits and pieces of the jigsaw THEY (The Hierarchy Exploiting You) have constructed. Trust me, I definitely do not have all the pieces. I have hope this so-far persistent construction will crumble famously and we can create a better world. Cockeyed optimist.

Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I prefer to think of you as a "Hopeful Heterodox"!!!

B Jones's avatar

In south FL: Dr Caroline Collado & Dr Eisenberg @ Miami Beach Pediatrics (w/homeopath)

Holistic. Dr DeChurch dpediactrics

I haven’t vetted myself, but recommended by holistic mamas.

Oh Susanna's avatar

Dana White should also question surgeries. Many more of those than people are aware are unnecessary, harmful money-makers for doctors and hospitals.

Renee Sommers's avatar

So true! My friend had an umbilical hernia and the first surgeon she spoke with told her she also needed her gallbladder out. (She didn’t.). He just wanted a two-fer.

AngelaK's avatar

You know: dentists are even bigger dishonest liars about what you need..for the almighty dollar 💵. It took me 10 years to finally find 2 honest dentists in my south Florida area..ofcourse they are in their 60s and dont have tons of debt to pay off. (so integrity be damned for the younger ones.. they just root canal and extract wisdom teeth all at once to their pocket's content)

Fred's avatar

And fill all those “weak spots” on X-ray that often mineralize with time. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬! Fell for that when one kid was young and haven’t forgiven the industry since.

OT - sorry. Articles on hydroxyapatite toothpaste on request; one tp out of Japan available on Amazon has the required concentration. Fluoride bad for IQ development but still recommended by Am Academy of Peds. IDK enough one way or the other. Skeptical.

Peter 🔒's avatar

https://robertyoho.substack.com/p/230-i-thought-dentists-were-inferior#details

For the dentists, exhibit A is dental products, B is fluorIdation, C is mercury amalgams and root canals.

AngelaK's avatar

I have heard of teens dying after having all 4 wisdom teeth extracted at the same time.

Datagal's avatar

Do y’all know anything about injectable dental pain killers? I have upcoming dental work and fear there may be nano particles, or even mRNA in the new ones. Any advice on how/where to research this? Or are they still using Novocaine? I don’t want to ask my dentist as she already thinks I’m uptight!

Rosie Cotton's avatar

I had some dental work done recently - I found a new dentist to do it all. Looked for someone with "bioidentical" or "holistic" who DOESN'T use fluoride in their practice. I couldn't afford to go to a fully bioidentical dentist and he was far away, but I had lots of questions and asked for names of drugs/fillers etc for my own knowledge and peace of mind. We can't avoid EVERY bad chemical/food/toxicity, but we can be informed and choose wisely. Pick your battles.

My other thought Datagal, is that if you can't have an honest conversation with your current dentist, fire him. Find someone else. Don't be sentimental about using her because you always have. Just because you've used her for ____years doesn't mean you should keep on using her.

Hope that helps!

Fred's avatar

Remember the “we’ll take out your appendix as long as we’re in there?” Like tonsils, it’s immune tissue, and even though it makes some sense, I don’t know the bottom line. Anyone?

Dr Linda's avatar

“what other stocks would we buy if we were expecting more jab injuries?”

Dialysis Centers: all this junk circulating is going to destroy the kidney filtration system.

Private blood banks like “Safe Blood”

Match Maker services for the nonVaxxers

Private liver transplant services where nonvaxxers will be handsomely paid ( hopefully not killed for all organs)

I’ll come up with more.

Bryn Cannon's avatar

Assisted living facilities for young people.

Dr Linda's avatar

That is so sad but I fear accurate. Whose’s going to do it? We are running out of people : (

RunningLogic's avatar

I also worry about kids who might lose vaxxed parents and become wards of the state 😕

CaplT's avatar

There are already families who have lost both mom and dad at about the same time or right after each other by turbo cancers and other injuries.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/families-covid-mrna-vaccines-develop-turbo-cancer/5828279?doing_wp_cron=1700092098.0085349082946777343750

Dr Linda's avatar

Gosh, I hadn’t considered that. That is frightening and thought provoking in so many ways.

Rosie Cotton's avatar

My ideas for “New businesses for jab money makers” brainstorm”: new centers for early-onset dementia, and an uptick in home health care centers/workers.

Also, wonder about the sales in defribulators? (Spelling?) Or oxygen tanks? Or In-body heart monitors?

The possibilities are endless!!!

Lisa's avatar

Like the devices that teens need now following cardiac issues.

Dr Linda's avatar

Trendy and high fashion. I think we have a money maker with this one. Sharks here we come.

Fred's avatar

Dr. Makis posted a series of soccer deaths; one died *with* an implanted defibrillator already in place. The inability to resuscitate despite immediate availability of ACLS is a new phenomenon.

Peter 🔒's avatar

I mean he was getting old for a pro soccer player, at 28

Edit: add - https://makismd.substack.com/p/summer-of-died-suddenly-soccer-players

devoalan's avatar

Obeyme wrecked home health. It was the last bastion of sanity in medical and, he ruined it, whilst saying it was the best option and then blah blah blah. Now they are money making concerns only. My bride knows, very well. All the way up the ladder.

Kim D's avatar

Yes, and the resolve to not participate from these investments by taking advantage of others misfortunes................

J Boss's avatar

These devices are sold at "durable medical equipment" supply companies. They make a lot of money just renting the stuff out to gov't subsidized users. Looked into buying a business for that in the 90's. Should have done it.

JFly's avatar

Damar Hamlin is using his charity to distribute automated external defibrillators to community sports associations and promote CPR training. A couple weeks ago during a Bills game, when they were parading him on the sidelines (in a mask!) they were showing videos of young people learning CPR. God help us!

FourWinds's avatar

Sickening that they need more cancer centers instead of, as usual, seeing the obvious. I don’t see any new cancer centers opening in Columbus, but that means nothing. They’d have too much competition from Riverside and The James at OSU, and no one wins a business-fight against OSU.

I don't know what else to invest in, but I'd sure like to hold a paper lantern festival for those who have lost someone to the jabs. You know, where they light paper lanterns and they float on the water or go up in the air? Betcha the news would not cover it. Betcha year one would be about 25 people (people are still too scared to speak up). Year 2 they'd have to call in the fire marshal because of overcrowding.

Rant: I have never understood the push for cancer cure this and that. The run for the cure, pink on NFL players who probably feel stupid, etc. (And how much of that money goes someplace other than marketing or to the CEOs?) Make no mistake, it would be GREAT to have cancer be cured. The problem is not a single dime goes into finding out WHY people have cancer and preventing it. If you prevent it, you don’t need a cure. Simple! That, of course, is never in the equation because cancer in America is a real business… around 175 billion in 2020. I can only imagine what it will be now with big pharma’s jabs causing turbo cancer.

Nancy Fahey's avatar

I was always amazed over LABOR DAY, years ago when Jerry Lewis had his marathon....the question was....this guy raised ‘billions’ over the years, and yet no cure was ever found! Don’t come after me and say it funded families with the means to go to the centers....find a cure!!!

AnitaB's avatar

Totally agree 💯 with your rant.

Kim D's avatar

Me too. I felt guilty saying no to particapating and contributing to those walk a thons and money drives for cancer. People most likely thought I was either cheap or didn't care, but I had to stand in my truth that it wasn't the right way. This has been over 20 years ago. And nothings changed from all that effort and $$$$$.

Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Once, when asked to be a supporter of someone participating in a pink ribbon thing, cosmetics giant Revlon I think being one of the sponsors, I had the gall to point out to the participant that the cosmetics contain known carcinogens. My observation was not well met. It was my only "contribution."

Dianne Denson's avatar

I'm sure the food we eat & insecticides & weed killer have a LOT to do with rise in cancer.

Heterodox Introvert's avatar

On this board, earlier in comments, @Maui Carrie posted this which I found intriguing. Not saying it's an answer, but sure worth investigating.

https://www.brighteon.com/98818d53-57e5-4a36-b8c7-44c35285da75

Link to series that is mentioned is below video. --

Also, the reporter mentions this website: https://urinetherapy.com/ About halfway down this home page there is a video in which Dr. Rashid Buttar and Dr. Lee Merritt took part. Also mentioned are Raymond Royal Rife and Dr. Stanislaw Burzinsky. If you've done any research on cancer and/or history of alternative therapies all those names might be familiar. --

Note: as I consider what is reported it's hard to wrap my head around. Lifelong indoctrination don't 'cha know. What is talked of as therapy, at this moment as I have been freshly introduced, is rather revolting. But, I am a product of said Rockefeller indoctrination in more than one way. Apparently cultures for long ages predating Rockefeller were on to something way before microscopes and urinalysis and... Cognitive dissonance.

CaplT's avatar

It’s all cancer awareness, for treatments, not cancer curing.

J Boss's avatar

I believe cancer cures that are inexpensive, safe and natural already exist. I know of a couple of them. The problem is, the FDA also knows and labels them harmful.

Look up vitamin B-17 (Laetrile) and apricot seeds. FDA thinks eating a few apricot seeds will kill you b/c it has cyanide in it. Well, I eat 50+ per day, have been for half a decade, still not dead or going to the doctor. What the FDA doesn't want you to know is that the cyanide is encased in a substance that only dissolves inside a cancerous cell, harmless to healthy ones. Exact opposite of the spike protein vax that is harmful to all cells.

FDA even tried to ban IV vitamin C during COVID.

On and on, big pharma's mafia enforcer blocks and attacks you.

Many believe cancer is a deficiency disease whereby the nutrients are too sparse in modern processed foods. Additionally, cancer seems to feed on sugars (i.e. carbs). Go back to eating more protein than carbs...

Entire food pyramid from the 80's and 90's is a chronic illness generating tool...

Ok. I'll stop. Rambling... or actually ranting... sorry.

Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Reposting this seemingly off the wall notion for the second time. Originally posted on this board by @Maui Carrie. Could it be that Rockefeller did yet another disservice by reframing this cross-cultural, across many continents ancient natural therapy? Honestly, as I posted elsewhere, I'm still having an issue with my own Rockefeller indoctrination. At the moment, only introduced to the idea on this day, I'm still finding the notion of the therapy revolting. I have a lot to learn. On everything under the sun.

https://www.brighteon.com/98818d53-57e5-4a36-b8c7-44c35285da75

The reporter also mentions this website toward the end of the vid. There's an embedded video on that page about halfway down. (Still revolting. But sharing anyway. Because wth do I really know about anything?)

https://urinetherapy.com/

FourWinds's avatar

I appreciate and agree with what you are saying, so rant away! :) You're dead on. I'd actually heard of apricot seeds and have some, but I have to be honest and say I did not last long with them because they were so bitter. Still have them.

Of COURSE the FDA wants to ban anything that heals, especially something like vitamin C. I know they tried to ban NAC, too, but NAC has use for Tylenol overdoses. Whenever I want to know what to use, I listen specifically to what the FDA tells me NOT to use or is trying to ban. That means - generally - it is very valuable. I follow up on my own, though. I'm glad I still have real books instead of the censored mess the internet has become.

I had a work collogue who cured stage 4 pancreatic or liver cancer, can't remember which now, sorry, by juicing, stopping all sugar, and by getting really, really angry. He was just so defiant. Anger is said to be bad but channeled right, I think it heals.

Yes, food pyramid is a joke. Remember the push for that non-food, toxic, plastic junk called margarine and butter was bad? They push all these heavy carbs, say don't eat meat or animal products, and then Americans wonder why everyone is diabetic. There was this insane food pyramid type thing a while back - Tufts Food Compass -that had the healthiest foods as raspberries and kale (I agree both are good), but that M&Ms, Lucky Charms, frosted mini wheats, and some other non-food GMO garbage was much better than meat, butter, eggs, milk or cheese. I bet you the makers of the new diabetes drugs paid for that to be made. I hate pharma and the FDA.

Ok, now I'm ranting :)

Sharon's avatar

shout out to a fellow Buckeye 😁

Oh Susanna's avatar

New cardiological centres, perhaps?

A friend of mine was a volunteer at a cardiological centre in a hospital in Toronto. In I think 2021, they stopped allowing volunteers. I theorized it may have been that they didn't want them to see the massive influx of new patients and potentially hear them blame the jabs.

Kathy Boston's avatar

I believe the soul resides in the mind. And I believe that the toxic heavy metals and dangerous ingredients in vaccines and pharmaceuticals cross the blood brain barrier and affect our connection to God. And these ingredients make us lose our ability to think right (also causing autism, ADHD, Parkinson's, dementia, Etc)

Rosie Cotton's avatar

Ooh! Good point Kathy! Hadn’t thought of that!

We HAVE talked about how creating cities and suburbs and destroying the countryside has limited most people’s interaction with creation, which also limits their opportunity to connect/ponder the Creator, since the creation speaks of Him.

“For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,”. Romans 1:20

AngelaK's avatar

I was speaking to a 60 something man day about how not simple life has become, and he said that he was thinking about taking up meditation in the morning like some of his friends do. He asked me if I do. As I realized that we were from different mindsets and faiths, I didn't get into prayer, but I did tell him that my morning 'meditation ' was walking my dog and looking around at nature and calming my mind while practicing being grateful. (in essence, I pray while in the silence and beauty of my south Florida neighborhood landscape). He looked at me strangely and quickly disappeared from my sight not even saying goodbye even though we had been having a lively conversation. Hmmm.. I often wonder if there was a spiritual antithesis type thing going on. 🤔

Datagal's avatar

I think the man disappeared because you created an uncomfortable realization for him. That he needs and misses God. I think you helped him. I speak as a former atheist who finally accepted Christ. Comments like yours gave me emotional responses (tears, sadness) that I finally listened to.

Renea Buchholz's avatar

TeAching about the industrial revolution and how it forces people out of the countryside into cities, and wreaked such havoc

GG's avatar

I love this verse and its implication. His creation (us) can understand Him because He made them. His very creation of us imparts understanding because we are connected to our Creator's mind. We can have clarity; we are without excuse. It is condemnation to those who reject God but it is validation and redemption to those who believe.

daverkb's avatar

What the Gods of Commerce and Banking have done is to create a Virtual Realty in which 'they' decide what to push, not any organic market mechanism driven by real demand by real living, breathing people. And so, if 'they' decide that C19 jabbing creates entire new markets of diseased people (marks) in need of 'treatment' ... well then, what a wonder new market opportunity for fun and profit.

We are unfortunately living in an evil, corrupt and dysfunctional system that in no way can invent the future because money for investment is always misallotcated by what amounts to be whim.

Kim D's avatar

I'm not sure about the soul/mind link, but the pineal gland is definitely the connection to higher spiritual worlds, which is why modern medicine has done everything possible to corrupt it's function. The heart is the true brain. Place your hand over your heart to ask for the truth, rather than the mind, which can be deceptive.

Starsky's avatar

Joe Dispenza has published tons of info on reversing damage to the pineal gland. He’s not a doctor and it goes deep into New Age territory, but the result is the same: calcification of the pineal gland (mainly through fluoridated water) damages the soul connection to God.

T.H.'s avatar

Maybe but I believe God finds a way. I don’t think the pineal gland has that much power.

Starsky's avatar

I should say not an MD (but those letters and $6 will get you a cuppa Starbucks). I think he’s a chiropractic.

Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Yes, chiropractor. Yet way deep into neuroscience. Not as a credentialled researcher, he hires those, but to move forward the concept of the melding or inseparability of science and spirituality. He's no slouch.

GG's avatar

The Bible says, "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?" Paul speaks of doing things he knows he should not whole neglecting the things he knows he should do. The mind is capable of logic and reason - intentional thought. The heart feels, sometimes truthfully, sometimes deceitfully. Guard your heart and you mind.

In my own life, I have found that if I trust my heart, which is usually the first part of my being to respond to whatever life throws at me, I usually go astray as my passion pushes me in one direction or another, urging me to act hastily. If I can calm my tempers and walk away from a situation, reflecting on it in quiet, I almost always come up with a different, better, response.

Tom's avatar

I have come to learn what is meant by having a "circumcised heart." His Word and His Law written on a circumcised heart enables one to do His will, through the Holy Spirit, and without the interference of the flesh. E.g., not reacting out of fear to COVID psyops because of "fight or flight" that is rooted in one's flesh.

We can put on the righteousness of Christ the moment we are tempted, and BEFORE we sin. In this way, we are not practicing "legalism" when we obey His law. We are obedient through HIS righteousness.

GG's avatar

So I can't remember the reference directly and cannot put my finger on it quickly, but I imagine it's much the same way the Jews were to bind the word of God to themselves. God wants us marked, set apart for Him so that we are a beacon to the lost. You don't forget whose you are when you wear His garments.

Sarah Beth's avatar

Love this! So true ♥️

T.H.'s avatar

Not sure about location of the soul but I believe that the jabs and also the virus to a lesser extent affect the mind negatively. That explains so much strange behavior. I think the spiritual connection is heart and mind and something else that has no name, the mystery I guess.

ICI Grief (The Rebel's Hike)'s avatar

I have recently come to the conclusion that the soul is the intersection of the heart, mind, and gut.

Sandra's avatar

I am the daughter and sister of doctors. My mother, a doctor, died of the COVID vaccine (heart failure). My brother’s daughter died of the COVID vaccine, (cancer). And yet these doctors are not changing course. It is terrible.

Bryn Cannon's avatar

Oh how lonely that must be. Do you have other family members who are seeing clearly?

Robin Esau's avatar

I'm so sorry. How can they not see?